King Learned at Feet of Hoop Gurus
He learned his craft on the bench next to Larry Brown and in Donnie Walsh's office in Indiana, moved to Philly and spent time working for Pat Croce and ultimately became Brown's boss. Billy King's career has been in the pro grame for 17 years and he's picked up a lot from the game's legends.
Now, after a tumultuous time with the 76ers (see Iverson, Allen) and two years out of the NBA, King is back. At 44, he's still one of the league's younger GM's but claims the lessons he's learned have given him both the experience and patience he needs to survive and flourish with the Nets. He's looking forward to working with Avery Johnson.
Controversial in Philly for giving out mega contracts to mediocre players, he also had an underappreciated eye for overlooked talent, drafting Todd MacCulloch, Kyle Korver, Willie Green and Louis Williams deep in the second round and discovering an undrafted Raja Bell.
- Nets’ Billy King was taught by experts - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- For the Nets, Good Things Come in Threes - Kevin Berger - March to March
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Title sounds racial
I know you did not mean it but it can certainly be taken that way.
by imdkidd on Jul 30, 2010 8:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there are many analogies and metaphors
that can be utilized….taken from much broader contexts.
I assume there will now be people objecting to the use of guru.
It’s about intent.
"whether i get slapped by the left hand or the right hand doesn't matter, as i still get slapped."
great quote. intent is not the only weighing factor. Things can hurt or offend despite intent. You did the right thing in changing it.
i find nothing offensive about the title
You learn at the feet of your sensei, teacher, master, etc. It’s an expression.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 30, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I could...
….also assume that a lot of the unfair bashing that King has received on here stems from the fact that he’s black, but I don’t, because it’s baseless and silly.
Nothing wrong with that title NI.
And I for one, am supporting King, Marks, and Johnson. I think they have the right idea about where to take this ship
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Right after A season THAT SCREAMED for a shooter
We draft him and sell him??? King must have a very good game to make that happen.
The NETS are coming!
I thought King always had an eye for talent. Wasn't he involved with the NBA pre-draft combine? He was part of a team on NBATV
Also, Andres found this Pacer article which says that teams have been calling about Troy Murphy.
I’ll bet (but can’t prove it) King (or Thorn) represent one of the teams calling Indiana, as Nets are one of a few teams that could absorb Murphy’s $12 million expiring.
http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2010/07/pacers_trying_t.html
It says that Indiana might prefer to wait until the trade deadline to move the double-double, because of uncertainty over the health of Hansbrough and Foster. Of course if they wait too long, Indiana could lose out on the team (Nets) that may be most interested and willing to take Murphy.
I also wouldn’t mind taking a chance at Hansbrough, if Indiana is concerned for his health.
If Billy King is Thorn's replacement, doesn't he have the Title of President of Basketball Operations, besides being GM?
It seems that Proky is reluctant to use that title.
Marks is supposed to be VP of Basketball Operations. That sounds better than assistant GM yet they said it was a promotion for a VP to be named as an assistant GM?
Did Bobby Marks have his title of VP taken away or does he now have two titles?
Just wondering.
Good Questions
Prokhorov said that there will be another hire of a President type, but they are not rushing it. Maybe after the Worlds are finished, say. Maybe someone with the initials JC. Yes, that’s right, I’m breaking the story. Jesus Christ will be our new President of Basketball Operations. Talk about making a splash! Water into wine, Quinton Ross into LeBron sans attitude. And if he balks, we can always just hire Jerry Colangelo. He said he’d take the call.
I would take JESUS hands down!
Definitely the obvious choice. His name will be called often enough in practices.
The NETS are coming!
I don't want Jerry Colangelo anywhere near the Nets.
Colangelo didn’t even know that Brook was recovering from Mono, until Brook told him during tryouts last week.
Nets already have Irina as a President of the Nets, even though she admits to know nothing about Basketball.
With Avery, King and Marks as one happy threesome, working together to make the team better, why spoil things with some ego driven President like Colangelo, who would demand many times more salary that Rod Thorn was probably offered by Proky?
I totally object to this Title...
I am 25% Guru, on my mother’s side.
For too many years have we been on the receiving end of ridicule and disparagement: laughed at for our name, equated with Greek meat wraps, called Gnu… Sometimes “Gary Gnu,” and then there are the worship and head of lettuce jokes and the Danish cartoons, well, we gurus have had enough. It starts with people like you NI. So, I’d like to begin by declaring and demanding that we be referred to from now on as “native experts.”
by Jron on Jul 30, 2010 9:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I totally object to this Title...
I am 25% Guru, on my mother’s side.
For too many years have we been on the receiving end of ridicule and disparagement: laughed at for our name, equated with Greek meat wraps, called Gnu… Sometimes “Gary Gnu,” and then there are the worship and head of lettuce jokes and the Danish cartoons, well, we gurus have had enough. It starts with people like you NI. So, I’d like to begin by declaring and demanding that we be referred to from now on as “native experts.”
by Jron on Jul 30, 2010 9:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
AWWWWWWWWWWWW come on at the title
I am offended and will be calling Jesse Jackson and Al “I still look like a pimp in 2010” Sharpton.
Seriously though nothing was wrong with the old title.
As for the article. I still don’t trust this guy but then again maybe a couple years out of the league showed him the error of his ways.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 30, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions
His eye for overlooked talent
is what I’m focusing on. In addition to what the article mentioned he also got Dalembert at #26, and signed George Lynch — who was arguably the third or fourth most valuable player on their finals team — for $1 million. He also signed Bruce Bowen to his second NBA contract, but he didn’t stick.
He also drafted
Claxton and Salmons after #20.
There will be a complete summary in the Off Season Report.
Also note this: No GM took more advantage of Thorn that King: KVH and Big Todd for Mutombo turned out to be a disaster for the Nets. Buying the #51 pick for Korver in 2001 also didn’t work well for Nets. And then there was the salary dump of Marc Jackson that gave the Nets nothing (until they traded him for Nachbar).
the fact that he fleeced Thorn
…is another good sign, IMO, since Thorn is the one that does the fleecing.
Maybe that’s why he handpicked King.
This guy knows how to spot value in the draft. I think that’s the most important aspect about him. Team that up with Marks and we have an impressive YOUNG duo in the front office.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 30, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i think he may be gun shy
to make a big move after crippling the sixers with bad contracts. the nature of the league has changed. you don’t become an elite team with making good picks in the second round anymore. if you don’t have the good fortune to get a durant or wall in the draft, you’ve got to trade for or sign elite players. king has been weak in this area and may be leery of swimming in the deep end. i hope he proves me wrong because i really feel we’re moving in the right direction.
imagine something extremely witty here
I dont know the Thunder and Portland
are doing a good job of rebuilding through the draft.
i hear you
but i’m talking more about building w/ mid to late first round picks and 2nd round picks.
porltand had – aldridge 2nd overall, oden 1st overall, roy 6th overall
thunder had – durant 2nd overall, westbrook 4th overall
if thunder get the 3rd pick the ‘durant’ year, we wouldn’t even be discussing them. so i’m talking about taking the luck part out of it, and how do you create a championship contender from a GM point of view. my hope is that we’re not content to stink for one or two more years hoping that we get lucky with a top lottery pick
imagine something extremely witty here
and Harden was third, Green was fifth
It obviously took time and like you said a little luck.
I think that so far...
….we’ve done quite well in landing Lopez and Williams two years in a row, and Ryan Anderson basically turned into Courtney Lee.
If Favors pans out and James does better than his draft position, which I expect, we could be looking back at this period as some of the best drafting in the team’s history.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
+11 Exactly !!!
And this year Washington will be that team (Wall, Mcgee, Blatche and Young) in the East.
Most times you DRAFT that guy.
Out of the 16 guys who averaged 20ppg or better last Season, 13 of them did their damage with the team who drafted them. Only 3 were acquired via trade or free agency (Joe Johnson, Zack Randolph and Stephen Jackson). And there are as Many overall picks in this group as there are second rounders or undrafted players (TWO).
So it looks to me that the old fashioned way is STILL the BEST way
The NETS are coming!
Don't agree on King 'fleecing' Thorn
The Mutombo trade did not work out great for either team really, but the ulterior motive that is not talked about much as that Thorn was looking to clear salary longterm. He had just signed Todd to the 5 year deal and after the first year it was clear his foot was a huge risk. After Philly traded for him, his foot got worse and worse and I think that was another useless contract that stayed on Philly’s books for a long while. Thorn was lucky to be rid of Big Todd when he did. KVH also had an extra year on his contract compared to Mutombo, who was owed more money overall. I believe that the offseason in which his contract expired is the same offseason in which we extended RJ and Collins to big money contracts. If we had been paying KVH that season, we may have lost both RJ and Collins, whose combined salary after the contract was about equal to KVH’s final yearly salary. King getting Korver was very smart on his part, but we were in total economic collapse at that point and Thron was selling draft picks for money. Marc Jackson was the result of Abdur-Rahim fiasco, dumb move on Thorn but I am guessing Thorn was the one pushing for Jackson and not the other way around.
I had a dream last night that ....
we traded Derrick Favors for Lamar Odom …. LOL, Don’t ask me why/how..but you can probably tell the feeling I had after hearing that.
Nightmare!
Kobe would like that.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 31, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope king knows what hes doing.
Cuz by the time we get back to New York we better be competing in the finals
by Jay2fly on Jul 30, 2010 10:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
that depends on what you mean
A) King is aware his specific job function is to be Avery’s Yes Man, give Avery support within the Nets organization.
B) What King ought to be doing is become Avery’s soundboard; let Avery know when he’s going overboard. Does King have good enough judgment? Does King have the fortitude to stand his ground against the man who hired him?
Right Man?
If we’re building through the draft, the he seems like the right guy. My question is, how will he handle the cap and trades?
Bobby Marks is also a GM on this team, don't forget
I’m not worried about the cap
The fact that we still have 14-15 mil in cap space should tell you that we aren’t out here to waste time and money.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 30, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I was hesitant about Billy King
But it was because I allowed my perception of the 76ers today and the havoc wrought by Allen Iverson mess me up.
Hindsight is 20/20. Iverson was a cancer to that team and particularly hard to work with.
I found this part of Al’s article interesting.
"We had Allen and in a lot of people’s mind a bunch of guys by the name of Joe," [Larry] Brown said. "But Billy helped structure the team based on how I felt comfortable coaching. We were able to utilize Allen’s unbelievable talent and Billy worked hard getting guys he felt could play for me."
With Brown’s insistence, King built a defensive-minded team featuring Dikembe Mutombo, Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, George Lynch, Tyrone Hill and Raja Bell.
"His effect of what he gets done was always felt afterward," said Snow, the former Sixers point guard and now an analyst on NBA TV. "You may have looked at something and maybe questioned it, but it was typically right most of the times. He’s got a great feel for the unseen.
"We jelled and meshed. Some of it had to do with Larry Brown’s coaching but Billy King was the guy making those deals work."
and he built an NBA Finalist
King had the sense to realize that if he was forced to build around Iverson, he was going to have to surround AI with size and guys that will not take the ball out of his hands.
The flack that he’s gotten is uncalled for.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 30, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Who on this blog is smarter than me?
My point exactly :-/
by nwkiddnj on Jul 30, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe they hired this loser
Prok is being led blindly by a little man who couldn’t keep his job in Dallas. I feel like Avery Johnson is piloting a time machine, taking me back to my childhood with the Shawn Bradley Nets.
You know who else was good at drafting?
Isaiah Thomas. Why didn’t we just hire him? He also has been out of basketball and is looking for a job.

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