Berger: Nets, Hornets in Talks on Chris Paul
by Net Income on Jul 26, 2010 10:50 PM EDT
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PrintKen Berger, who broke the story of Chris Paul's unhappiness with the Hornets, now reports New Orleans has been in talks with the Nets and Bobcats and those talks are "expected to advance in the coming days." Berger gave no details on who or what the Nets might offer.
Berger quotes anonymous sources as "confirming prior discussions" and that Paul's representatives "are continuing to push Paul's exit strategy from New Orleans--something members of the organization are well aware of and expected."
The Nets and Hornets talked about Paul in June. After meeting Monday with GM Dell Demps and coach Monty Williams, Paul said he hopes "to represent the city of New Orleans and state of Louisiana for many years to come.’’
The Nets anticipate that the Hornets would also want to move Emeka Okafor (and the $52 million remaining on his contract) and would want Derrick Favors in return. Under league rules, Favors cannot be traded til August 15, 30 days after signing his rookie contract. The Nets are unlikely to part with the 19-year-old.
- After Hornets meeting, Paul still seeking way out - Ken Berger - CBS Sports
- Hornets confident Paul staying put - Marc Stein - ESPN
- New Orleans Hornets confident Chris Paul will play here this season - John Reid - New Orleans Times-Picayune
- Okafor's Contract Makes Chris Paul to Orlando Unlikely - Tim Povtak - FanHouse
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Damion, Favors and Brook should stay in a Nets uniforms.
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And i was just reading this on cbssports site and realgm
All i got to say is if its the right deal and we dont give up alot alot then im all for it
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by Wall2KingJames on Jul 26, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
Its about time!
I was wondering why we were never being mentioned in Paul talks last week. Made no sense.
Favors cant be trade
We cant trade Favors now since he already signed his contract.
The package must be T-Will, Harris (to a 3rd team) and picks
.....
and that severely hurts our chances to deal for Paul.
The Knicks, Magic etc have a 1 month head start on us
The Hornets aren’t run by David Kahn, if we can agree upon a deal which involves Favors they aren’t just going to be like “nope, we can’t wait a month. We’re going to take a lesser offer even though your offer still comes before the season starts.” Theres no logic to that
Why not posey over Okafor
and any realistic one — would center on the willingness to absorb the contracts of Emeka Okafor (due $53.2 million over the next four years) and/or Posey (due $13.4 million over the next two seasons)
i found that in the article so it looks like any teams needs to take on either Okafor or Posey or Both with Paul, so i dont know if anyone hear on WFAN today with joe and evan but evan said the nets dont think Okafor can play with Lopez so how about paul and Posey for Like Twill Lee and James and picks
Hornets get:Twill Lee James Humps and Picks
Nets get:Paul and Posey(if we can somehow can West in the deal that would be good)
I know james looks good but if we need something we need to give up something and i would rather keep Favors and trade James
PG:Paul,Farmar
SG:Harris,Morrow
SF:Outlaw,Posey
PF:Favors
C:Lopez,Petro
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by Wall2KingJames on Jul 26, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
Would you guys rather trade Favors or two first-rounders?
Probably would be one or the other?
And I assume we’ll have to take on Okafor? We have the cap room to do it, but…that contract would suck.
Forget to add
Then we can package Harris for some Depth at SG and PF
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by Wall2KingJames on Jul 26, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
I'm neutral at this point.
I do not have trust in this story, but if there is any truth to it, I would do it, but it MUST be the right price. I say do the Pacers-Hornets-Nets trade, where we get Paul, NO gets Granger, and Indiana gets whatever pieces they want. Likely that we part with TWill, Harris, and future picks. But, once again, I doubt there is much credibility to this article.
DO NOT TRADE FAVORS.
Consequences will never be the same.
Giving them Granger just makes sense.
He gives them what they have wanted.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, that is why I think a trade with Pacers makes sense.
Granger is a 5 tool player who is EXACTLY what NO has been looking for. It just makes sense.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
There is not much substance to the Nets part in this pie:
There are indications that the Hornets believe the Magic, Bobcats and Nets would have equally, if not more attractive assets to offer. The positive spin emanating from Monday’s meeting allows the Hornets to “keep working on it,” and puts them in “a better negotiating position to do so,” said one of the sources.
“indications” and “one of the sources”
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
NO is not happy with parting ways with Paul, are they?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We have to save room for Carmelo, no? Damn. The big three could get together in Brooklyn and be much younger and less injury prone, and New York would end up with the Big 1.
Chris Paul
Courtney Lee
Carmelo Anthony
Derrick Favors (if we can keep him)
Brook Lopez
Good night.
Only reason I think Melo would ever wanna come here is if CP3 is, and also Brooklyn is his and his wife's hometown.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He is, but was born in Brooklyn, spent his wee years there
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 27, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd do this.
DHarris+Hump+Twill+2 first round picks+TE for Emeka+CP3
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
How much would CP3 coming here effect Melo's decision?
We wouldn’t have any room for Melo if we have Okafor under contract. But since it is very unlikely Melo leaves Denver, I say bringing on Emeka would suck but may be the right move. Explore as many other opportunities you can before bringing him on.
1
Nets get: Chris Paul, Andre Iguadala
Hornets Get: Speights, Willie Green, Kris Humphries, Terrence Willais
76ers get: James Posey, David West
2
Nets get: Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony
Hornets get: Terrence Williams, Kris Humphries, Kenyon’s expiring deal
Nuggets get: Okafor, Devin Harris
3
Nets get: Chris Paul, Danny Granger
Hornets get: TJ Ford, Terrence Williams
Pacers get: Devin Harris, Peja’s expiring deal
4
Nets get: Chris Paul, James Posey
Hornes get: Andrew Bynum, Shannon Brown
Lakers get: Devin Harris
Pick!
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
Obviously 2
About number 3, if Granger is sent packing he is headed for New Orleans.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
dont u think
NO wants very low salary guys?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree. They would have to LOVE Granger. He has 4 years left at steep numbers.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
+1
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And Indiana would have to LOVE Harris.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
This deal is actually quite perfect if you think about it.
Where does TWILL go?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
a 3 team trade between us, NO, Indy
We get Paul, NO get Granger, and Indy is happy. It makes sense for everyone involved.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
NO
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
*
it would make the sale a lot easier. see figure A
Figure A: THE NETS
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
why in the world is everyone including Devin in a trade to NO?
the ONLY way we’d get CP3 by giving up Devin is if a 3rd team is involved. exactly like corky just pointed out. Devin will NOT be traded to the Hornets.
Exactly, if this happens it is a 3 teamer, Deving goes to NO, Granger to NO, Paul to NJ, TWill to Indiana, and likely anyone else to Indiana
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Scratch that, Devin goes to Indy
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i think
that the following need to stay as nets: favors, lopez, damion james
anyone else is available in my humble and powerless opinion
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I just posted up there :)
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
*CREDIT THAT TO JASPERJARROD
happy?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We could both take the credit :)
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this a joke??
What happened to he isn’t going anywhere?? Not trading our rookies or Brook
Since the face been revealed the game got real
3 team trade IND NJ and NO
Dont know if Ind would do it
NJ get Granger and Paul
Ind get Posey Harris Okafor
NO get Murphy Twill Lee James and picks
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
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by Wall2KingJames on Jul 26, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
You wouldn’t move Damion James for Granger and Paul? Thats insane. That being said, indy wouldn’t do that, Okafor’s contract is a joke, they’re not going to downgrade from Granger to Harris AND take on those joke deals
I'll give them CLee not Damion James
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
says who???
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
damion james
is gonna be nice. keep him! and favors! and blopez
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
+1,000,000
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Give NO TWILL, if they want Lee give him too, picks and some cash
Do net let go James!!!
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
james
i like damion james as much as the next guy, but you guys must be crazy if you would not trade him for chris paul. think rationally please. you gotta give to get
Its pretty clear more than ever that Lebron was NOT coming back to the Cavs
You can see how team Lebron works.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I heard LeBron made comments about how he wants Paul to stay out West.
Of course the same probably goes for Melo as well.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Why should we believe this
After LeBron’s team just fed the media bull for like 2 straight months, we are hearing rumors from “a person familiar with Paul’s strategy” and a “person familiar with the organizational dynamics” regarding a player who JUST JOINED WITH THAT SAME TEAM THAT LEBRON HAS.
because the writer
is the guy who proved his credibility last week when he was the first to report that Paul wanted out and would meet with the Hornets.
He ALSO placed the Lakers among the top three teams.
This is something that has completely gone away, and countered by all future leaks.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
KV
you dont believe this report ?
Because I think the lakers magic and knicks are his top teams but then chris broussard came out and said its the magic knicks blazers and mavs
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by Wall2KingJames on Jul 26, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that Team Lebron is leaking specific teams in order to generate a circle of interest that will drive itself, just like with Lebron.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Ok good point
Now just want to know you think the nets have any chance?
im with pretty much everyone ill trade anyone but lopez favors and james
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by Wall2KingJames on Jul 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they have a small chance, but only if N.O. would push to trade Paul where he doesn’t want to go, which they can do.
But Paul and Team Lebron are trying to be King Makers again, and this likely involves putting Paul with an already established dominant player such as Amare or Howard. They already know where he wants to go.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
at Net Income
All I’m reading here is an interest from the Hornets, who seem to like the Nets as a trade partner. He says the Hornets are looking at the Nets, and that they beliee we have better pieces than the Knicks. The interest is from NO. As for the trade talks, both Kerber and D’Alessandro have FLATTENED previous rumors about talks for CP3, Dave D even quoted a team official who was very suprisied and didn’t know where all that was coming from.
If the Nets were talking with the Hornets
our beatwriters would talk about it, don’t you think so? Have they said anything about this? NOTHING! They have never mentioned Paul other than to flatten previous rumors that said we made an offer.
How much faith do you still have on Dave D after his Twill stuff? Weren't you saying he was he was all speculation?
Al hasn’t written anything at all for weeks now
do you realize
that he dissed the Favors/Harris for Paul swap he ACTUALLY quoted a TEAM OFFICIAL and quote his own words? When he talked about TWill, he didn’t do that. He didn’t quote anyone nor did he made any sources reference. Do you see the difference?
And Kerber also said the Nets haven’t made an offer to the Hornets after Lawrence/Wojnarowski said we did.
No Nets beatwriter, NO ONE, has reported the Nets could be talking with the Hornets about Paul. NO ONE. Not Dave D, not Kerber, NO ONE. The only time they’ve talked about Paul was to dis the rumors some out of towners started. If the Nets were talking to the Hornets, don’t you thinkit’d be reported by Nets beatwriters?
Where were their mentions of Petro before we signed him?
They aren’t omniscient with regards to the Nets.
Point being, you can’t keep on saying we won’t try and trade for him based on one article that was published weeks ago, things change. Find me a new article if you wanna refute it
Iannazzone DID mention Petro
And signing Petro was an INSIGNIFICANT move compared to what a trade for Paul would mean. I repeat, NONE of the Nets beatwriters have mentioned we’re in talks with the Hornets. NO ONE. If that was the case, it would be reported.
Lack of evidence proves nothing
You may be right, but beat writers not reporting it doesn’t disprove it.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to believe
that if we were having discussions about someone like Chris Paul, it’d be something beatwriters would report, dont you think so?
not only that
for the 10000000000th time, every time Paul’s name has been linked to the Nets before, both Kerber and D’Alessandro have dissed those rumors, even quoting team sources.
it's a bit unrealistic to think we're getting Granger AND Paul
all speculation, I still think a 3 team trade with the Pacers is the best. But the Nets aren’t getting the two stars. I could, however, see us getting Troy Murphey out of the deal, which would be fantastic if we give up everyone not named Favors or Brook.
We will not be getting both, if we get one it is CP3
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
no reason
we can’t get two stud type guys out of this deal. We have assets up the wazoo. I think Billy and Bobby (can we refer to them as B-squared?) will be VERY busy over the next few days. Kidd round II! Worst case scenario: we have Devin HArris under a real coach… not too bad
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
B1 and B2 :)
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point about Troy Murphy.
If Nets have to take Troy Murphy then his 12 million expiring comes off the books in time to attract Melo next summer, he wouldn’t mind playing with CP3 and Brook (and maybe Favors).
And the meantime, Murphy is a near perfect player to bring along Favors and rebound beside Brook. And if Favors has to be traded, then Murphy wouldn’t be that bad as starting PF for 1 year.
Hey Guys What is your % of Paul coming to the nets? Rank the 3 Magic Bobcats Nets
i dont know why but i have a feeling we might pull it off but i had a feeling with james and i know what happened next
ill say nets have 30%
Magic 60%
Bobcats 10% (i just dont know what the bobcats got to offer)
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by Wall2KingJames on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
we are 65%
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay then.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
65%? is that serious or are you trying to mess with me?
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by Wall2KingJames on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
for your mental stability
don’t take that seriously
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen the only reason i ask if that was serious is because if i went to someone other then a nets fan they would laugh at me if i said 65% to them it would be 15%
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by Wall2KingJames on Jul 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't believe our FO?
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god
looks like jasperjarrod is the chris paul version of lupojohn with lebron
not even close bro. lupo is obsessed with Lebron lol!
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 27, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
The Knicks idea fell through?
I dont think we should count them out yet.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Knicks may be offering number 1 picks for
the next 5 years. They are so desperate to start winning again they may do something crazy just to get in the mix. You never know what’s going on… Nets should be aggressive without giving up Favors and Lopez.
The Knicks DO NOT HAVE number 1 picks
for the next five years…and you cannot trade your first round picks in consecutive years, under league rules.
I thought the Knicks would have a couple of #1 picks left after 2012?
What exactly does that league rule say? If Knicks got another 1st round pick from someone else, it wouldn’t make sense not to be able to then trade a pick.
The rule says you need to have a first rounder every other year. Doesn’t matter who’s first it is, as long as you have one. They’ll have Houston’s pick next year, but in 2012 they wont have a pick, which means in 2013 they can’t trade their pick, nor can they trade their 2011 Houston pick. They can’t trade a pick until 2014.
BEWARE: This is how Team Lebron Works.
1. Pretend you are completely intereted in staying home.
2. Create leaks that get fans from several cities excited.
Keep leaking.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
It's like everyone completely forgot about what happened with Lebron
And we’re going back to believing everything “sources” say
These guys ego will kill them
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it really matter?
Lebron’s team did what they needed to do to drum up excitement for ther client. Every fan should have known there was only a slight chance he would come to their team anyway. Same with Paul. If you get him fine. If not, stick with the plan.. Why is that an issue?
If we got Paul and Granger for TWill Harris Lee and James I may very well die of shock
Of course it probably has no shot in hell, but what the heck? I’ll dream.
by J-Nasty on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
+????
?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
actually
now that i wrote that roster out, it makes sense to retain lee and let james go.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
James can play the 2 spot
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No
it’s Damion James
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that
He’ never done it before played PF in College, SF probably as low as he can go.
Avery said
he could play at 2 also
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yup that'd be cool
i’d hate to see James go; hope we can get Lee out of here before him.
Dream that could actually happen:
Harris – Farmar – Uzoh
Morrow – UH OH NO ONE ELSE
Granger – Outlaw – James – Ross (TOO MANY HERE)
Favors – Humphries – Craig Smith (hmmm…)
Brook I’m Really Good at Basketball Lopez – Petro – Zoubeck
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
WHOOPS
made a tiny typo:
Dream that could actually happen:
CP(some other # that rhymes with 3) – Farmar – Uzoh
Morrow – UH OH NO ONE ELSE
Granger – Outlaw – James – Ross (TOO MANY HERE)
Favors – Humphries – Craig Smith (hmmm…)
Brook I’m Really Good at Basketball Lopez – Petro – Zoubeck
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He is saying if we get both Paul and Granger
I think that is a 55-60 game winner
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
if this team could somehow stay healthy, we’re a top 3 or 4 team in the East.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's do this
Lopez, Harris, TWill, Lee, Favors + first round picks for the next 10 years for former MVP who may never regain his form due to serious knee injury and who will assemble NJ Nets himself from now on since he’s all about winning NOW. Let’s make NO better, because this is what trade between NO and NJ will do.
Harris+Twill + ONE first round pick this is max what I would do. But I’d be more happier if we didn’t trade for Paul at all.
Paul's knee injury has been over exaggerated on this site.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Did you see CP3 after his injury?
It was a shade of his former self. Knee injury one of the most serious injuries in all pro sport.
by Belarus4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
9.4 ppg and .400 shooting after coming back from surgery. His knee issues are NO joke. He only has one meniscus in his left knee.
It may be NO fans and media who are unexaggering his lack of a meniscus and using the excuse that he needs time to recover from the surgery.
We were told the reason he had the meniscus removed rather than repaired is so that he CAN recover from the surgery quickly. So maybe the CP3 we saw last year was all that we would get. Nets would be a laughing stock of NBA if it turned out that CP3 would never have the explosion he once had.
Just a couple of days ago, NI was saying that CP3 would still need another surgery? Why should Nets even want CP3 if that is true?
-1,000,000,000
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are joking??
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
OK EVERYONE STOP
@ NetIncome, Netsdaily or someone with real knowledge: what’s the real deal with Chris Paul’s knee. Is it worse than Jason Kidd’s was? How long until he’ll need another surgery?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Basically
It shouldn’t affect him short term, but If the skeptics are right his career will be severely shortened.
I was assuming his meniscus was removed
apparently it wasn’t
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4888073
Nobody knows. It was reported here that his entire meniscus was removed and there was a lot of hysteria that this would lead to microfracture surgery later.
it turns out that the entire meniscus was NOT removed, it was a partial tear. But nobody knows just how much of it was taken out, just not all of it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Mensicectomy is very serious.
Can take years to recover and still never 100%. Depends on the amount of the meniscus taken out and the area.
by Belarus4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The entire meniscus was NOT removed.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
IF entire meniscus would be removed Paul's career would be OVER.
Of course I don’t believe that is the case with CP3. For those who wants examples of meniscus surgeries in pro sport… Rick DiPietro (NY Islanders). It all started as “minor knee surgery”
by Belarus4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
In other words nobody knows. Roy also had his meniscus shaved and returned in a few weeks.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
He is fine by all reports.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Trading for CP3 means taking risk.
Big risk. Let’s see what TWill can do with maturity and training under REAL coach. He alone can make the entire Nets base forget CP3 trade rumors.
by Belarus4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He wont be a superstar anymore
But there is no denying he will have a BIG impact on a team. Paul’s greatest advantage is his court vision, his knees will not cause a concern for a problem with his vision.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
But he is being treated by NO and the media and by most fan sights as though he WILL be a superstar again.
I don’t understand why some team wouldn’t leak to the media that his Meniscus Surgery would prevent him from returning to his old self. If that concern got out, it would immediately lower the trade value for CP3.
The way the media is talking about how great CP3 still is, the Nets would have to give up Lopez and Favors to have a chance.
CP3 is overrated now.
I'm expecting a bounce-back year from CLee
What if he gets his 3FG% up to 40-44% again?
We know he makes hell for opposing spot-up shooting all-star players.
I think the problem is
Morrow is a way better shooter and T-Wil is a better player, C-Lee might be the odd wing out, if everything stays the same.
Lets Forget all these trade rumors.
The trade speculation can go on for hours.
The question is do we really want Paul? How healthy is he and how happy will he be playing here? This will be King’s first defining moment. What will he give up for a wildcard?
Good points
Can’t see why everyone is so hot to trade valuable assets for a player who missed nearly half of last season with a serious knee problem and other injuries and may never regain his all-star form and now is acting like Lebron’s Mini-me.
by jsg on Jul 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Statement from Mikail Prokhorov
“I like to take risk. Chris Paul’s knee is somewhat risk. I am confident, however, that it will be just fine he will take us straight to top.”
“A little bit money, a little bit prostitute, a little bit luck, we get ’Melo next year and assure championship in two years.”
ROFL!
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
When the hell did he say that???
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I missed the prostitute joke.
I get it.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought
it was real. till i saw the prostitute line
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
reality is
if we get CP3, that’d be cool as long as the following don’t happen:
1) we have to take Okafor
2) we have to trade Harris, James, Favors, Lopez
If we somehow manage to get him while meeting those conditions, we’d have 2 options:
1) keep Harris and have a mega fast backcourt (an interesting one, too).
2) trade Harris in a 3way deal for whatever they want to a team who needs a good point guard.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
i would give favors over twill cause i see alot of talent in twill!!!!! if u see top 10 plays of last season twill in the the play like 80% of time!!!!!
If this trade is not a joke :
I don’t see Brook and Okafor on the court at the same time:
What if we got Paul and Okafor
Hornets got Brook, TWill (someone else not James or Favors) and a lot of picks aslong as Paul signs an extension
I am not sayng I want this but what if the Hornets want Brook and we get Okafor
Who would do this??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
If a 3 team trade occurs with the Pacers
Will Indy want Okafor?, or can someone slip up and he winds up there.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We can Always flip Okafor to the Dallas Mavericks at the trading deadline
Cuban might want to trade for another center or maybe the atlanta Hawks :)
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But if Okafor is so easy to move then why include him in any Paul deal? That really limits possible trading partners?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
If their is no third team: The question to me is Paul (with extension) with Okafor worth giving up Brook?? During the game the other night people were saying Brook is not a franchise player, but he worth giving to get Paul?:??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
ABSOLUTELY NOT
That was ONE game that meant NOTHING. Anyone who was saying trade Lopez besides RandyOreens was being sarcastic.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
I think if we do a 3 team trade we can absolutely trade for Paul without giving up Brook. What is the point of getting an outstanding PG if he does not have a big man to dish to?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No my thing was if we couldn’t get a 3rd team involved. And it is crazy to have Brook and Oka at the same time imo
Since the face been revealed the game got real
That I agree with.
Okafor: DO NOT WANT
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why the Knicks make sense. They might WANT Okafor.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Yeah to keep Amare at 4. They couldn’t get Melo either if that happened.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
But Knicks would have nothing to offer NO, especially if they weren't allowed to offer more 1st round picks.
And Knicks are near the cap limit already, so if they couldn’t make a salary matching trade unless NO took back Curry, which is unlikely.
Yes We Can
N.O is interested in CAP Space and good young Players. Doesn’t make sense for Paul to come here without Lopez and Favors. He wasn’t happy with just Okafor in N.O. What makes you think they would be much better together in NJ? N.O needs help on the wings and we have enough of those. It will cost us Harris,T-Will, Lee, Hump and 2 picks. We then get Paul and Must take Okafor who will play PF till favors is ready. And we will need to find a 3rd team to take Harris and sweeten the pot.
And if we are in Convo for a playoff spot by the deadline look for James and Outlaw and more picks for Melo Deal. If Denver is not in the race.
The NETS are coming!
I would rather just keep the present team and just grab Troy Murphy.
Then at least we would have a chance for playoffs and if Brook, DJames, TWill and Favors develop, a chance for much better and still have lots of cap space for next summer.
If many of the Nets “young” players develop as we hope, then we are underestimating their value now and we may be highly overestimating the value of CP3, if he truly is damaged goods.
didn't Net Income quote a team insider
as saying ANY trade would have to include Favors and we should eat Okafor’s contract? And that team insider said they believe Favors is going to be like Howard. You do the math.
The Hornets are concentrating on Eastern Conference teams as trade partners in the event they decide it isn’t feasible to enter the 2010-11 season with their franchise player wanting out.
We’re getting him.
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
Knicks???
Are they still in this thing?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The biggest questions are
1) does NO want to take salary back to match CP3
2) do they want another point guard
if they want another PG, then Orlando has a shot because of Jameer Nelson. So do we if they want Harris. This is going to be interesting.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
then
i think we’re the clear front runners. If the condition is Eastern Conf, low salary good players, draft picks, cash, no one can offer more of that than us. Orlando is over cap so they’d have to match dollar per dollar.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed 65% lol!
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you guys think of this?
Nets get: Chris Paul, Troy Murphy
Hornets get: Danny Granger, Courtney Lee, Kris Humphries
Pacers get: Devin Harris, Emeka Okafar, Terrence Williams
I think I would do it.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not too happy about giving up that much
If we gave up that much, we should give Indy picks or cash so we can also wind up with Granger.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The goal, in my eyes, is to not give up Favors or Brook.
by Handsomelad on Jul 26, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
Paul for Lee.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Then stop trying to hang onto ever decent asset on the team, and be reasonable. You have to give to get.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Nobody is off limits. If his knee checks out, Paul would be the best player on the Nets, possibly ever.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
idk
Well he would have to sign an extension first before the Nets go into take anyone you want mode
Since the face been revealed the game got real
not crazy about it
i’d consider it though. just thinking of Paul to Favors or Paul to Lopez is making my mouth water.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The Nets are finally able to find a star player in addition to a stop-gap PF.
Hornets receive decent value for their star and lose Emeka’s contract. + cap flexibility due to the fact that Kris Humphries + Courtney Lee are in the final years of their deals.
Pacers finally find a couple ball handlers to work with their wings + a good starting center.
by Handsomelad on Jul 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of this trade too but
NO get Lee Twill Humps
Ind get Harris and Posey or something else
With Murphy hes a expiring contract at 11 mill i believe so you guys know what that means
MELOOOOOOOO im dreaming right now but melo can take less and we’ll have our own big 3 and dream team
Melo Paul Lopez
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Lopez is not Quite an Elite "BIG" yet.
That’s the issue. Tho I think playing with Paul would do wonders for his numbers.
The NETS are coming!
If we knew that Favors was going to become a Howard-like force at power forward,
we MIGHT be willing to give up Brook instead of Favors in the deal and take on Okafor to become our starting center.
But that is way too big a risk and there is no way it’s happening.
absolutely
positively
WOULD NEVER do that. Lopez for no one except Dwight Howard in a trade
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We will never know if Favors is the next Dwight
Until it happens.
Never give up Brook.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure why everyone is hating on Okafor. Yes his contract is bloated, but look at the contracts they gave Amare, Lee, Boozer. yes these are 20-10 guys, but each of them have their own problems. Amare’s Knees, Boozer’s age. David Lee needs a particular type of system run for him for him to score his points and his defense is questionable.
Okafor grabs 3 offensive rebounds a game, and plays defense(1.7 blocks per game). He has played 82 games the last 3 seasons. He shoots 50% and if he got more shots he can definitely raise his average. Okafor and Brook could be like the Laker’s Bynum and Gasol. We just need the height and length to grab the rebounds, sorta like how Bynum and Gasol dominated the boards vs. Boston.
yea you got a point… guess I forgot why Chandler thrived with Paul and Okafor didn’t. Okafor can’t get up for the alleys. But then again David West didn’t really either. We see Harris lob it to Lopez all the time, so I’m sure Paul would make Lopez shine even more.
It depends on the system we want to run I suppose. It seems like Avery picked guys who can run the floor. Maybe we can run the triangle offense if we got Okafor?
Why not turn Okafor into an expensive bench player?
If Paul/Favors/Lopez will become our core, why do we have to start Okafor right away? He’ll become the best backup center in the NBA.
If Brook starts the season as weak as he is today,
Okafor will be starting and Brook backing him up on opening night.
I think we can get Paul without giving up Favors. Who does Charlotte have to offer? Gerald Henderson? The Blazers may be able to offer a great deal but maybe Hornets want to ship Paul east. If this goes down, then I think we could be in a very strong position to sign and trade for Melo if he forces his way out of Denver. But even if Melo is a pipe dream, Paul would make the team a lot better for the next two years and then you have to hope the team is good enough where Paul signs long term.
We don't have to give up Favors if we are taking Okafor and his massive contract.
Harris+Hump+Twill+2 first rpound picks+TE for Okafor and CP3
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i just see this perfect cause every team gets wht they want
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2fgxxkt
Pacers don't need Okafur
They have a nice young center and a PF already.
by strange-brew on Jul 26, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What is the max money we can give the hornets in a trade 3million??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Chris Paul-PG
Damion James-SG
Carmelo Anthony-SF
Derrick Favors-PF
Brook Lopez-C
Can we afford this? Probably.
Chris Paul-PG
Damion James-SG
Carmelo Anthony-SG
Emeka Okafor-PF
Brook Lopez-C
Can we afford this? No.
We must figure out a way to avoid taking on Okafor. It’s going to be very, very hard to. He’s a nice player but may destroy our chemistry and cap flexibility, something Mikhail does not want to happen.
if Okafor is included in the deal
Nets should find a way to get rid of his contract to a third team.
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 27, 2010 6:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol this would be dream come true trade for me wht abt u guyz
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22pft9w
Not happening
For the two of them, we will need to give away that and TWILL and likely Lee as well.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
me too.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i would give up twill or favors to get granger and cp3….trust we would be contenders……
by devinharris34 on Jul 26, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA
the deal’s great until NO’s part
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Hornets want Favors and Williams and Not Harris We could Win and Have 4 All Stars
Hornets Get:
T-Will
Favors
Humpries
Nets Get:
West
Paul
Lopez/Petro
West/Diogu
OutlawJames
Harris/Morrow
Paul/Farmar
Not happy with that deal
I want to avoid letting go of Favors at all costs.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So a Paul for Favors deal, straight up, is off the table?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Good to know where you stand. In crazy land, but we all have our crazy land.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
2nd thought
i’d do it in 1/2 a heart beat
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Keeping Favors off the table is not crazy. Paul can leave straight away in 2 seasons. Thats enormous risk. There is also injury risk with Pauls knee. Plus if we take on Okafor, thats a huge financial hit. I would not include Favors in any trade.
So you would turn down a Paul for Favors trade, straight up?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
You are not winning a Championship without at least, likely, 2 HoFers. Who is your HoFer?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
The thing you fail to understand is – if the team sucks, seems like they dont have championship potential, Paul leaves in 2 years. Guaranteed. He has that right. With Kris Humprhies at PF, its a recipe for Paul leaving in 2 years. I am sure of it.
There is no reason why an extension could not be part of the deal.
Further, what would be a bigger motivation for FAs to come to NJ other than being able to play with the best PG in the league?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
What makes you think Paul would sign an extension on a team coming off of 12 wins. He wont sign an extension on a team coming off like more than 3 times that many wins. The free agents coming is a big unknown. Other than Melo, no one really great available next year. You can’t play Russian roulette with your team like that.
It depends on the profile of the team. Who knows, Prok may have charmed Team Lebron when Lebron came over.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
charmed them so much
that they played us like fools, without so much as a complimentary call to let us know that we should proceed with other plans.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think they played us
as much as they were pretty unprofessional w/ every team. they held everyone hostage until the last minute, not just us
imagine something extremely witty here
Do you honestly think that Paul would sign an extension?
or that it would be prudent to sign to one without knowing the extent of his knee injuries?
You are proposing that we jump out of a window, face first.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
there are certain, rare moments
of opportunity that come up in the NBA. when j-kidd ran into off the court problems in pheonix, we had an asset (marbury) to get him. chris paul, is one of those opportunities that come up very rarely. you’ve got take a good look at it. i’m more worried about his knee than resigning him. if we win, and proky builds a class franchise that will determine whether he re-signs or not. if we don’t win, it really doesn’t matter- the gamble would have failed. i think you’d have to entertain a devin+twill for paul/okafar trade (okafar is the chris paul tax). not saying NO would do this but hopefully they could be talked off of favors
imagine something extremely witty here
I agree and disagree with both of you
Getting Paul for just 2 years doesn’t make sense if we are giving up favors. So with an extension then you can talk about it. HavingPaul will attract ther players maybe even at discounts.
But if we give up the farm(most likely worth it if his knee is ok) then how are we any better then the Hornets are right now?? Don’t want to be in a situation where we give up the future for the present when we are not ready to win this year. just my opinion
Since the face been revealed the game got real
if you looked at the nets 2000 roster
you would say that team was not ready to win. one big move for j-kidd changed everything virtually overnight.
imagine something extremely witty here
I agree but I think it is understood any deal for Paul would start with an extension, atleast for me anyway
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Paul isnt signing a long term extension upon the trade. Its really not going to be realistic. The Nets would have to prove they are an up and coming team once Paul were to arrive, and would need to try to make other moves via signings or sign and trades to tip the scales in the favor of the Nets. They would gain an advantage with being able to pay Paul more than other teams.
Sure. But there is no way of knowing whether he would sign an extension. It isn’t worth arguing about. Though you can say that you would offer less w/o one.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I hear you but the whole point is Paul feels trapped in mediocrity on the Hornets. NO WAY would he sign a long term extension with the Nets – a team coming off a 12 win season – at this juncture. The Nets would have to prove they can be really good to get him to sign long term. I like the Paul deal provided we hold onto Favors because it can be transformative and attract other pieces, but its a risk and you can’t put all the eggs in that basket.
I kind of agree but I think Paul wants out because the owners can’t buy what he needs. Agreed he doesn’t want to get stuck on the Hornets part 2. He might be okay with playing for Prok though.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
This was the big thing. They were not willing to go into the luxury tax. It was the big thing that pissed Paul off.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Yeah then we can’t give up the future for 2 years, not woth the risk imo. Its not like we are all in for a title this year.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
risky risky
Yeah but knowing Paul might have a hidden agenda being advised by Lebron’s people, wouldn’t you be scared if we had to give up Favors James T Will and many first round picks (any combo and others) that no matter what you did he could go to free agency and there is nothing you can do as the Nets to change his mind? If he doesn’t do an extension I would assume he is hitting FA I couldn’t give all that up. Cause if he couldn’t get Melo here or stars then what do the Nets do in 2 years? we are back to square 1 imo
Since the face been revealed the game got real
More like square ZERO without the young promising Talent
And without Paul if he bolts
The NETS are coming!
You are on point.
I wouldn’t trust Chris Paul to stay past two years, and we would be absolutely stifled in any attempts to acquire a legit scorer from the wing like Carmelo if we absorb Okafor’s deal.
The idea sounds good because Paul is a “sexy name”, but I’m not too big on the idea of screwing ourselves.
Plus, if he is so messed up that he becoems a guy that only gives us 60 games a year, we are done. DONE.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't get all this desire for a "hired gun"...
…I like our team to be OUR team and so what if we don’t make a big splash and get a sexy name. Let our home grown talent develop and if they are good enough, we will attract free agents then.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 27, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
We must follow the G.W. Bush model...
….Stay the course, and when the oppurtunity comes, loot and plunder.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree as well. This seems like speculation based on the Nets cap space and apparent aggressiveness in pursuing other big fish the last few weeks, but I guess I'm still feeling out the new owner, GM, and coach so it seems unpredictable.
Sure I’d like Paul on the Nets – but I’d rather keep particular players right now: Williams, James, Favors and Lopez, and I want no part of Okafor’s contract for that long. I’d rather see what these specific young players can do.
Farmar, Morrow, and Outlaw just got here so they can’t be part of anything but I like them as role players.
Basically if Paul without Okafor could be had for Harris, Lee, Ross, Hump and a pick or 2, I woud be in favor of it (you think?) – but that is not realistic so pointless.
yeah but what did we give up for Kidd?
The situations are not identical. We did not give up Kenyon Martin. We did not have to take on a horrible deal along with Kidd
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
We gave up Marbury.
We could be giving up Marbury 2.0 for Paul.
I don't care about giving up Harris for Paul
but I DO care about giving up Favors, Williams, Lee, James, and draft picks to take back Okafor’s disgusting contract
That is the definition of stupidity
We cannot have folks sitting on here, KILLING Billy King before he even makes a move, and suggest trading the farm for two broken down horses that cost too much to clean up after.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel the exact same way.
And if we only want Paul, and follow the route of picks, expirings, and a young player, we’d have to give up one of those guys and Humphries.
I don’t think I want to trade for Paul as I’m presently content with Harris.
pretty much said the same thing above before I read yours
except that I would understand parting with Lee (who is a good young player too) along with Harris for Paul (no Okafor), because I think the Nets woud stil have enough at the 2 IMO I am currently valuing Williams more). But again it is speculative and not a realistic situation so whatever.
+amount of millions on CP3, Okafor combined
NO WAY FAVORS GOES BYE BYE or we all storm the Nets office in ther swamp land… but where in the heck is it?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess the Nets have to do this:
1) figure out what the heck NO wants for him
2) see who wants Devin (assuming NO doesnt)
3) see if the nuggets want a nice new pg named devo to run with chauncey
4) when denver says no, go to indy for granger
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
3) see if the nuggets want a nice new pg named devo to run with chauncey
You mean someone like Ty Lawson?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
yeah
Nets get: Chris Paul, Danny Granger
Pacers get: Devin Harris, possibly okafor
Hornets get: TJ Ford, TWill, possibly murphy
by corky_romano4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
not realy and he was a lot of money left on his deal. Could they resign Brook Assuming Palsigns an extension?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
MOST REALSISTIC TRADE
3 way deal a deal that involves Chris Paul, Devin Harris, and Danny Granger makes sense for all three teams Just A Thought.
Nets get:
Chris Paul
Emeka Okufor
Josh McRoberts
Why nets would do it — They want to make a splash this offseason and cant go empty handed as Proky said he wants a “Superstar through a trade”, it will clearly make them better and competitive for title run 1-5 years and it will back up the talk, Billboard a more.
Pacers get
Devin Harris
Julian Wright
Why the pacers would do it — They have been looking for a play maker that not only can create a shot for himself but for his teammates. team high assist last season 3.5 by T.J. Ford. They have notified the Nets they are interested in Harris Services. Granger is a good player but not a play maker averaging 2.5 assist and he has the ball in his hands most of the game.They Drafted a Granger clone in Paul George with the 10th Pick.
Hornets Get:
Danny Granger
Kris Humpries
Terrence Williams
Picks
Why the Hornets would do it—They have a good point guard in Darren Collison with alot of skills that wont get much playing time, behind Chris Paul and is a whole lot cheaper they have young pieces like Thornton,Craig Brakins, Quincy Pondexter and David West-29 add guys like Favors and Granger plus 4 picks next draft this allows them to cut into the salary cap something they have been serious about doing rather than winning now.
Noteable free agents in 2011 for NO David West(ETO),Peja Stojakavic,Daruis Songailia,James Posey(Buyout
Just a thought
are any of the following players available?
-brandon roy
-josh smith
-lamarcus aldridge
-iguadala
-monta ellis
by corky_romano4life on Jul 27, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
NOPE!
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 27, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
they're just whispers nothing else...
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 27, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Where's MUWU?
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
Sleeping. Which is what we should be doing.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 27, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmm
i’m goin to look at this optimistically. If NO wants a star player in return, they can have harris. if they want young cheap guys, we got ’em. if they want picks, we got ’em.
if we dont get anyone, we’re a heck of lot better than we were last year, so i’m happy
by corky_romano4life on Jul 27, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
shhhh
you’re making my idea look bad
by corky_romano4life on Jul 27, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
of course he is
He was one of the best PG’s 2 years ago and there’s nothing that says he can’t get back in to form pretty soon..
I can name at least 8 PGs that GMs would take over him, if not more.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Paul
Rose
Williams
Rondo
Nash
Billups
Evans
Westbrook
and Kidd.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Add Nelson and Curry as close calls. He is a middle of the league PG right now.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Not an MVP but:
Dude Harris is not Paul but he is a very capable PG aslong as he stays healthy
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Devin isn't even in the top half of starting point guards
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 27, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
If he is at best average then who would take on that contract anyway? If we land Paul we can’t have backup PG making over 8 mil.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I don't like list
but fine.
Rondo, Rose, Jennings, Nelson, Wall will be better immediately, Billups, Deron, Westbrook, Parker, Kidd, Paul, Nash, Curry, Evans.
Brooks may be better. Mo Williams too. Baron Davis has lost a step but he’s probably still better. Stuckey is on a similar level to Devin. I don’t like Andre Miller’s game but he is better than Devin as well.
19 that I think are better than Devin.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 27, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I would take D Will over Paul though I don’t know if you guys think thats crazy but I really like him.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Anyone with any sense
would take Deron over Paul. Williams is much better.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 27, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Wall is not fair yet. Though I like him.
Jennings shot horribly last year, it remains to be seen.
Mo will suffer greatly without Lebron, in fact Byron is trying to find a PG for the team.
Stuckey is an interesting name. Miller is over the hill and a journey man now.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I don't care how poorly shot
He’s a winner and a leader. He’s better than Harris.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
uh
He led his team to the playoffs as a rookie while pretty much everyone expected the Bucks to be one of the very worst teams in the NBA.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 27, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
All I’m saying is, and I do like Jennings alot, is that the book is still out. The year he had last year Harris easily has matched in the past.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
he was a rookie who was better than Devin
and I don’t live in the past. Harris is what he is, not what he was two years ago.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He shot 37% from the floor, and shot a lot.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
not that they're in any way comparable
but Jason Kidd shot below 40% with the Nets. The leadership matters way more than the shooting percentage with Jennings.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m checking out. As I said, the other PG comparisons are DEBATEABLE, which is what we are doing.
One guy would rather have Jennings (Yeah Leadership, who needs shooting), and other guy might want Harris. They are in the same soup, which is my basic point.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
well..the only conclusion that I can get from this that
Grankenyon and KV will never have a job as a scout in anything
Wow... Where you last season??? lol
You make Harris sound like a bum. Brandon Jennings? Baron Davis? Stuckey? Andre Miller. Kidd?? (like a hundred years old..lol) Wow that’s pretty insulting. And what about those games head to head wen Devin destroyed some of these dudes??? Devin is not top 5 I concede that but he is top 15.
The NETS are coming!
Like which ones of the 9?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
westbrook
nelson
evans
kidd
billups
Curry
i mean granted 3 of those PG’s are prob gonna go into the HOF but they’re so old and on a decline and don’t think they are actually BETTER then him right now
Billups is the starting PG on the 3rd best team in the West, and more than holding his own.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
put devin on any winning team and u'll probably think differently about him
again, i don’t know what your basing your list on
your jsut naming marquee PG's right now
I don’t know if there are any GM’s who would trade Devin for Nash, Kidd, Nelson, or Billups straight up..
These are PGs who are ALL better than Harris, right now. Questions about salary and INJURY HISTORY are other questions.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I think we should play the waiting game...
We should at least wait until the trade deadline before we make these kind of trades.
I want to have a chance to evaluate both CP3 and our players before we send some of them off in a trade. We don’t know how well cp3 will play after recovering from his surgery, and we don’t know how our new players will play as well.
People are more desperate during the trade deadline…. so hopefully by then we have an idea of who we want to be part of our future, and we can also trade away some of the players that we added during this summer.
Bobcats don't have enough young stars to trade for Paul
I’d do a Devin Harris, Hump, and picks for Paul
but that’s it…Devin is a great player and to add more then that would simply not be worth it..
especially if we have to give up Favors
I actually like Devin Harris as the Nets PG…so if nothing happend..I’d be happy
what about
Peja’s expiring deal. $15 mil is a lot of money that NO can’t afford. What if we sucked it up for a year:
Harris, Lee, picks, cash for Cp3, Peja
by corky_romano4life on Jul 27, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
i hope
this all happens soon. don’t want a lebronathon round 2.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 27, 2010 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
Not to rain on everyone's parade but... THIS IS LIKELY ALL SPECULATION
There is no reason to think that Paul still wants out.
NO even has said it is likely he is a Hornet next season.
Consequences will never be the same.
there's plenty of reason to think he wants out
too much out there to suggest otherwise and remember this: people didnt think LeBron, DWade and Bosh would play together either, right up to the day before the decision.
I think think there is reason to SPECULATE he wants out, but I do not think it is a sure fire thing though. There still is no proof that it is a sure fire thing.
And about the “3 Kings”, I disagree. Miami was always the sexy location, and the fact that 3 good friends had the chance to play there together was always something that made a lot of sense. And once DWade and Bosh committed to Miami, you had to realize it was happening.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Paul didn't exactly say he didn't want to play for anyone else coming out of the meeting
He didn’t say, I don’t want to play for anyone but the Hornets, I’m staying here. That would have been definitive, that would have been a conclusion. But he didn’t. No reason to think anything has changed since that meeting
I'm no GM
but again and again and again, when a superstar is traded, his team RARELY gets return value.
They get a combination of picks, expiring contracts, maybe a young player or two, cash and a trade exception.
Happens all the time…and if Paul is traded, it will happen this time as well. So in constructing your scenarios, think about how many picks (Nets have 8 in the next two years, 10 in the next three), which young player(s) and what expiring contracts (Nets have two in Humphries and Ross) they could throw at the Hornets.
Knicks do not have the assets currently to do a deal like that.
No doubt in my mind the Nets can get it done and get Paul if he truly is available. Its a matter of managing risk in terms of which young players you give up for a guy thats not locked in long term and seems like he will want to shop his services around come 2012. And again, you need 3 good bigs to compete, unless you are a superteam, so you have to hold onto Brook and Favors because otherwise you have Kris Humphries starting and thats a recipe for Paul leaving in 2 years.
But we don't even know if CP3 qualifies as a superstar anymore, due to his surgery and poor performance when he returned.
In that case it would be a terrible trade for Nets.
But if the Hornets are broke wouldn’t they want rookie contracts more then the TE? I am not excatly sure how the TE works, can you trade it to other teams later? I am not agree/disagree just not solid on how the TE works
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Just means they can trade a huge contract like Okafor without taking back equal salary. Can basically dump a guy with a hefty contract for free. They can then use that TE to acquire a player with a salary up to the level of the TE. Its an asset, but they can also just let the TE expire so they dont have to pay anyone. Its a financial boon for a team struggling economically like the Hornets.
Exactly NI
Thorn has left the nets with kit of flexibility for a trade…we have trade assets and cap space.
Nets have never signed a big player in my Years of being a fan. It’s always been via trade and draft.
However, the idea if having CP3 here doesn’t aexcite me a bit.. Unless he could attract melo… Hmmmmm???
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Young Players
Means either Favors or James would be included in the deal? Well they can have Zoubek and Uzoh :)
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 27, 2010 6:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
are forgetting that Devin played for a horrible team last year
with no wing player to get attention off him.
it was just him and Brook last year…a developing center with no post game.
so save your judgement on him until u see him play on a better team
the guy was an all star 2 years ago
imo
Last year Paul was not as good as Paul has been his whole career. He was still better then just about all and it takes time to trust your leg again after an injury, but I didn’t hear anyone mention that.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
With no post game
@ netsball if you think brook lopez has no post game i suggest you quick trying to figure out this basketball while your ahead. Brook has a very post game and most of offense is reliant on it.
Just say NO
Paul would never pass the Nets physical if Rod Thorn was still alive. The guy submitted a list of teams he wants to go…we weren’t on it.
by gizzymhv on Jul 27, 2010 12:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He has a no trade clause?
He’d still be ours for two years and it would be silly to think the Nets wouldn’t be enough of an up-and-coming team and Prokhorov enough of a convincer to get Paul to stay with us.
If after the two seasons, the Nets are winning around 48-52 games, Favors and Lopez are becoming all-stars, Twill, DJames and Morrow are becoming spectacular role players and we have the money for Melo he wouldn’t be leaving.
It's silly for you to assume such silliness.
With all the names you mentioned as our young “stars”, you better subtract a few because just whom are we giving up to get him???? Money for Melo….not with Okafor’s contract
Giving up assets, losing our cap space, convincing him to stay, and his health are a lot to consider.
like netincome said
They aren’t going to get equal value. Picks, picks, picks, ship Harris to Indiana, do whatever. It’s not impossible
give up all our picks and we become the Knicks
which reminds me, we should sign Isiah Thomas as a scout only..good eye for talent
Stated this above
What if Paul’s (Lebron’s people) agenda is hitting free agency no matter what team gets him and no matter what that team does or who they put around him?
Not a fact but I feel its a fair question if LBJ’speople are advising him. Especially due to his uncharcteristic behavior since he has been with LBJ.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
??
My opinion of LBJ is not involved here, say what you want about all Lebron did but it is pretty obvious he got some bad advice. That was the only point I was trying to make the same people are steering Paul. Atleast thats what has been reported.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Yea, terrible advice
He’s on the water at South Beach with models peeling his grapes with 100+ million in his bank account. He’s working with his best friends in an NBA dynasty.
Wish I got such Terrible advice
LOL You don't seem to comprehend what I am saying
Dude you make it sound like I am talking about where he went at all. I am talking about the way he went about it. He was going to Miami the whole time. What does advice good or bad have to do with 100 million? he was getting that money either way, what he got paid is not involved here. He could be in the same situation wotout everyone hating him. Maybe you don’t realize how the opinion of Lebron has changed drasticlly changed. So he could have everything he had and more if he acted differently.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I agree that LBJ's public relations people made a huge mistake.
KD signed a long extension and most people didn’t even know. Amar’e wrote a really nice, professional letter expressing his gratitude to the people of Phoenix and signed as a free agent with another team. I could go on a rant to fill an entire page about the public relations disaster that was “The Decision” and all that it revealed about LBJ’s character. But we’ve heard it all already. It is NOT about the decision that he made, but the manner in which he chose to announce it.
And Chris Paul, who always seemed like a reasonably humble guy (to me, anyway), is suddenly revealing yet another bloated NBA ego. As good as these players are, they’re doing their best to make it hard to like them. Kobe is suddenly looking like a really good guy. Go figure.
Holla at ya sister Ray
Agrred until you got to the Kobe part…..He’d be a Net if he didn’t pull that “I’m not going to play” stuff right out of high school. And just a couple years ago he went thru all that I wanna be traded routine after insulting Bynum.
Don't get me wrong: until now, I was one of the great Kobe haters.
I’m trying to tolerate him because I want someone to beat Miami, even if it has to be LA. But I’m sure that, by the time the season starts, I’ll be hating Kobe with my old enthusiasm.
question is
do you wann sell the farm on a guy who would like to play elsewhere and who is already asking out of his team? would’t he do the same aain if he was traded to the Nets?
Right…nets were never on his list.
I would only take cp3 if we are confident that melo would sign here
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Jul 27, 2010 12:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rod Thorn is dead!?
Are you sure? When was this?
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 27, 2010 6:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Listening to the post-game show coming home after the game I'd much rather hear
“Hi this is Chris Paul, and you’re listening to SportsRadio 66 — WFAN — New York.”
not
“Hi, this is Travis Outlaw, and you’re listening to SportsRadio 66 — WFAN — New York.”
Boring.
But if Travis Outlaw played alittle like Robert Horry which I think its possible.
I’d be happy with him being the 6th man…but def not a starter
why does everyone want to trade harris?
doesnt chris paul have a bum knee like STAT?, why is it that when i suggested we sign STAT to attract free agents everyone thought i was crazy …. but now everyone wants to trade for cp3? not to mention that when its time to sign him in two years, what do we do about money for brook… by then chris paul would have made him a max player…. not to mention some of us think cp3 is also gonna land us carmelo… now i know since we got “the RUSSIAN” everybody thinks money grows on tree….. we shall see
Okafors contract rele suck
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Jul 27, 2010 12:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
if im not mistaken he did have micro-fracture knee surgery
right? how is it ok for cp3 and not stat??
plz dont say that stat is a riskier case because he plays above the rim
because the same could be said with all that stopping and starting that cp3 does… that also takes a toll on the knees … idk about yall but i rather have the pg with two good knees
all the jokes yet gizzy and BL3ACH cant
give me any good answes to the questions i’ve asked …. wonder why?
How dare you take my name in vain !!!
“a good answes” to your questions…look pal, if READ the posts I’ve just submitted, you’d see I’m not on board with getting Paul..Just say NO {new Orleans}
You want to go back to Amare?
I didn’t want amare for many reasons other then injuries. When he is that dominate on O and disappears that much on D I want nothing to do with him. He is selfish imo. Why were there not 20 teams beating his door down the second free agency started? He said many times the first team to offer max I am there.
A lot of teams want Paul and he can effect the game a lot more then Amare can imo. I absolutely have concerns about his injury but I think he cares a lot more and is better to have on the team. He may be worth the injury risk where I feel in no way Amare is worth the same risk. So two seprate cases, but that is just how I feel.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
you guys ...............
are talking some nba2k10 trades. they’d have to give up favors for this. but what happens when favors becomes a star in NO and cp3 ditches the nets in 2 years for the knicks? he already talked about teams he wanted to play on and the Nets weren’t mentioned. I hate to say it but I really do think cp3 and melo talked about the Knicks at melo’s wedding.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jul 27, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions
And Spike Lee's wedding gift for Melo was wrapped in Knicks colors.
I wonder what was inside. Probably some cool memorabilia from 1973.
im confused with all the reports?
is he happy and want to stay or is he still trying to get traded.
will get traded.......NO doesn't want an AI situation, Paul gets what he wants with sugar
instead of salt. Good public relations and trade value all around.
CP3
I think he’ll find the moment he gets here, he has an owner willing to get him every short of a continent to win basketball games. I dont see why he’ll leave for the knicks when were going to New York eventually anyway. we have more capspace then them and young talent. we have a team that will get really good really fast.
gizzy relax
me personally i like harris i think now with aj here harris has something to play for…. and u would think that after all the lobbying that dh did for aj to get this job that avery just isnt going to push him out the door.
WHY I OUGHTA
oh wait. You said relax. Certainly. No problem. Yes, hope DH gets another yr to make or break
lol funny but still think harris stays
cp3 isnt the same – just had surgery…. at least we know what we got in dh … to hell with cp3, devin harris has shown he can play just as well as chris when you put players around him … in the year we had rj and vc he avg arounf 21 pts and 7 ast prolly would have been more if we had a decent pf… idk why but i like dh34 over cp3
side bar — why do some ppl have clee (crazy inconsistent ) starting over morrow lee should be coming off the bench !!
If this happens, I hope that:
Brook, Favors and Twill are involved in the deal,
That way I finally have the excuse I need to move out of here.
I can be in New Orleans or Oklahoma City by sunrise.
No way
You’ll miss CLee + Hump too much too leave
speaking of CLEEak
where did he evr get the rep for being good on D?
I thought he was horrendous on that side of the floor.
He was pretty good against Kobe in the Finals.
And he was our best perimiter defender last season.
Nah Kobe Washed him
I mean I think he looks because he tried but Kobe was just to big for him, he is a decent defender, I’m wondering if he will be the odd man out I think Morrow and T-will have bigger upsides, we will see if morrows defense steps up with Avery.
huh?
Lee plays decent, and aggressive, on the ball defense. It would be even better if Favors develops to become a shotblocking force down low.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Calm Down, please!
How can we believe any of this stuff? Why would Chris Paul want to play for a NETS team that gives up major pieces and burdens itself with Okafor’s contract to get him. We won 12 games last year. Unless we can get him and Okafor for Devin and a one, I wouldn’t do the deal. I read some of the previous posts, but they started to make me dizzy. When DA says CP3 is coming to NJ, I will listen, otherwise all of this is just chatter.
I wish I could sleep….
Paul from Delray Beach
I think CP3/Okafor for Devin straight up can only work if we overwhelm them with future picks (like three or four).
Regarding the rest of this thread, his health doesn’t scare me that much. I’m mostly just worried about being able to keep him after the two years. If we give up all these assets and he bolts, it’ll obviously be a disaster.
Smokescreens from NO
Threaten to trade him to a 12 win team instead of anyone on his list, and watch the rumors die.
Charlotte and New Jersey?
C’mon.
by eLonepb on Jul 27, 2010 3:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
TWill fans won't want to read this but...........
How about this? http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2au7ptb
I know the TWill fans will be upset but this would make sense for all of the teams involved. I’m also including 2 picks. One to NO and one to IND.
The Nets get the All-Star PG they desire to be the face of the franchise. They also get a proven scorer to go with him. If the Nets wait to get involved in the Carmelo sweepstakes, they could get burned again. I haven’t heard/read anywhere that Granger wouldn’t want to come here. Damion James said that they’re expecting him to step right in and be a factor. After seeing him in the Summer League and hearing this guy’s confidence, I think he’s going to step in and produce. With this trade, the Net PFs can concentrate on defense and rebounding without the pressure of having to score a lot of points.
NO gets cap relief and draft picks. TWill will probably play the same role he may be looking at here. Providing energy off the bench. TJ Ford is a nice PG but I question whether he’s a starter on a nightly basis. He can be a more than servicable backup for Collison to allow him to grow. NO also gets to fill out the rest of their roster since they’re way over the cap and they can’t make any moves. They also get a pick from us (I’d give them the GS pick).
Indiana gets their PG. They get a big man in Okafor that would allow Hibbert to grow and take pressure off of him. Hibbert also has one more year on his contract. I’d hope they’d keep both these guys together because they could block some shots and grabs some serious boards. They’ll also get a pick from us.
With this trade, Proky can keep his promise and not only can this team make the playoffs but they can possibly get into the 5th or 6th spot. I love TWill’s game also but if it means parting with him to get a deal like this done, let’s get it on!
Any thoughts?
That leaves NO without a good starting center , and the Pacers wouldn’t want Okafur and his contract. It’s not a good position fit , let alone the length and money of the contract.
by strange-brew on Jul 27, 2010 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The 4-5 million dolla question
Are we better off with Devin and Favors or CP3. Depends how good a player Favors becomes. It may come down to that. If NO didn’t want Devin maybe we could flip him for anotehr good player.
Well Paul's proven to be capable of being arguably the best point guard in the NBA when healthy
Whenever you can get the best of something, you gotta try
Can I get this straight?
why does anyone think that the Pacers would want to rid themselves of Granger and take in Harris???
I just don’t get it. Please inform me.
IF the Harris for Granger rumor on draft night was true
They didn’t even want Harris. They wanted us to take Granger straight up. We would’t of course because it would hurt the cap space
Pacers offered Granger for cash and draft picks?
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 27, 2010 6:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reports were they didn't like Harris, wanted us to just absorb Granger
But it’s just as likely that the entire story was leaked by the nets to try and bluff Minnesota into trading with them by creating false buzz about their pick
Probably
And If the pacers actually did offer Granger then it’s a no brainer We take him right away if it’s not going to cost us any players or draft picks.
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 27, 2010 7:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wasn’t the deal that was on the table Granger and the 3rd pick for Harris and the 10th pick? Supposedly the Nets were ‘lukewarm’ on the idea.
by CyberRambro on Jul 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see Charlotte getting involved in a 3 way trade and them getting Harris out of the deal. They are desperate for a PG.
I dont wany any parts of Paul though for the record. I rather keep the team in tact. I dont trust Paul’s knee and he really doesnt want to play here so why bother? We have a good young core lets see what happens before we break it up. Paul is leaving in 2 years dont throw major chips away for nothing.
Only way i do this is if we get Granger and Paul.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cweder
solid trade. of course not done cause there r no draft picks n stuff like that in the mix
I like your trade from the Nets end. Especially getting Diaw back but giving up Lee and TWill? I’d only move both if I got a second All-Star or borderline All-Star. Also will Larry Brown deal Wallace, Mohammed and Diaw? Okafor is a Larry Brown type of player but Wallace is probably their best player.
by CyberRambro on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
1. Nets are not “overpaying” for Paul, so he is not coming here – many others will overpay.
2. If he wants to win now, why would NJ or the Bobcats be a destination? NO is closer to winning than NJ.
3. Don’t you all hate stars that demand trades because they think they are entitled to win? Reminds me of JKidd and Lebum.
4. And if Favors was a hold up, we are stupid!
NO is not closer to winning than NJ
That team has peaked. He signed an extension that looked like an up and coming team, but was really just a really lucky team, because Peja and Chandler managed to stay healthy for a small while. Now they’re all capped out, with no way of getting better. No immediate future there.
BONE ON BONE
And he’d be leaving once his contract is up to play Super Friends like LeDouche did. No thanks.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 27, 2010 8:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Still don't know if the entire meniscus was removed or just part of it
And meniscuses can be transplanted or regenerated when it’s a partial removal
Either way, he’s gonna be missing time because of it, and he’ll probably walk once his contract is up. I don’t think he’s worth giving up as much as the Hornets will be asking for… Especially since we really don’t know how good MOST of our players really are… And we don’t know if Devin will play like the All-Star we know he can be, now that we have a real coach and a slightly more competitive team.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 27, 2010 8:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As far as I know, and from what I have heard,
if the entire menisci were removed his career would be finished. I know that bone on bone causes immense pain, he would not be able to play basketball for the rest of his life. It must have been part of the menisci removed.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 27, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
This nonsense again?!?
Sigh, and the media get the fans all in a tizzy again. It’s sad how easy it is to rile for “Team LeBron” as kv points out. While I’m on the topic, props to kv for holding down the fort overnight. :)
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
how easy it is for Team LeBron to rile up up the fanbase
I really need to proofread my posts
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
IMO, I would LOVE to be able to keep Harris and Favors. But, would this get it done?
Two separate deals.
Quinton Ross for Okafor; straight up
Courtney Lee, Terrence Williams, Kris Humphries and all of next years draft for Chris Paul.
CP3 + Granger
Based on what Net Income wrote in an earlier post regarding trades involving super-stars, and if that scenario could happen with the Nets where they’d land CP3 while only giving up picks, expiring contracts, and a couple young prospects, then wouldn’t this open up the door for the Nets to go after Granger? Reports before the draft had the Pacers wanting the 3rd pick plus Harris, but couldn’t a combo of Harris/Twill and picks get it done?
why would the Nets do that?
They have enough SFs/wings. Sure, none as good as Granger, but they have no need to trade Harris and Williams (their 2 absolute best perimeter players) for granger. He’s not close to be worth that. I don’t get why some here believe Granger is some type of superstar player.
Why would anyone quote you?
Instead I will “mark your words”. Or am I being intellectually dishonest?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
why nets would go for Granger?
because I’d have to guess that one of the pieces they’d have to give up to get Paul is D. James. If they then go after Granger, to show CP3 the Nets are serious about building a legit contender around him, then I would think Pacers would want a SF back. Although most dont feel that TWill is a legit 3, he still has a ceiling that right now, it seems that GMz think is pretty high.
by Versifiervt on Jul 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Favors = Paul?
I have a feeling two things will be demanded by NOH in a trade with us.
1. Favors is included
2. We take on Okafor (which would mean no Melo)
that's what a team insider told NI, I believe
That team insider also said he doesn’t see Brook and Okafor player together and that the Nets think Favors could like Dwight Howard. You do the math.
Brook and Okafor doesn't mean sense
a slow and plodding frontcourt
not to mention 52 million dollars.
NO.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If that is the case
We would be stupid to do that
Okafor is not worth taking on
Favors is not worth giving up
If we take on Okafor, we wouldn’t have a chance to try to swing a deal for Carmelo or sign him to a deal if he refuses the extension(which is unlikely).
This is idiocy. NO can go blow in the wind and take their gimp and their overpaid big man with them.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone COMPLAINS about how we have "too many players at the 2-3 position.
Doesn’t it occur to anyone that we were talking to CP3 weeks ago, realized his needs, and stocked up at the position so we can offer some as trade fodder?
And as much as I hate to see him go because I think he has real talent, Twill may be the odd man out with James flashing, albeit in Summer League.
This is a bunch of GARBAGE
Here we go again with is crap.
First of all, Paul has exposed himself to be a me first player. Combine that with a messed up knee, max dollars, and the threat of disloyalty, I’m wary to even trade for this guy.
2nd, I don’t include Lopez, Favors, or James in ANY deal. Paul is damaged good and he demanded a trade.
3rd, who are these “sources”. Maverick Carter? Worldwide Wes, the same dirtbag that tried to get us to trade for Paul regardless of the fact that he knew Lebron was going to Miami?
I would really hope that the Nets aren’t getting them sucked into the childish games of Lebron’s crew of clowns for the 2nd time.
I want to see a fact based report that shows me CLEARLY that The Nets and The Hornets have engaged in serious discussions. Until then, this is a bunch of crap.
We have no reason to give them Favors, or take on Okafor’s god awful contract.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
ugh, sorry for the typos.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
People here are overrating James quite a bit. I like the kid and I think hes got a lot of upside, but CDR dominated summer league too, how did that work out?
It's not about domination
it’s about the skills he showed on both ends of the floor.
3 point shooting
Aggressive moves to the rim
Strong play around the basket
boards
defensive intensity
I’m not giving him or Favors up at this point.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, people get way too excited over summer league and a bunch of times our draft picks have disappointed us, aka Antoine Wright who went before Granger, Sean Williams, Marcus Williams. I remember how excited everyone was when we got our hands on Marcus Williams.
this kid was regarded as one of the most NBA ready players in the draft
and he followed that up with a solid showing where he clearly looked like he didn’t even need to be out there.
Nothing that he’s shown so far even remotely reminds me of Wright and the Williams kids.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree with most of this analysis
except i would say it is possible that it’s a little too harsh on cpaul. back in 2000 we could have said about jason kidd, “he’s got bad knees, he’s never won anything, and he’s a problem off the court (i.e. domestic violence in pheonix)”.
i really don’t think CPaul is near the egomaniac as Lebron, and his talent when healthy is unquestionable. he has the ability from the point guard spot, to make our guys elevate their games possibly moreso than anyone else in the league including Lebron.
gotta have some vgood medical info on that knee though
imagine something extremely witty here
yes
when healthy, he is a stud. Top 5 player IMO. But there are too many questions surrounding his health, intentions, and attitude, for me to want to jump out of the window for him.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Is everyone falling for this again? Team Lebron needs to be taken out back and put to sleep.
that's just the nature of this game
there are tons of talks behind closed doors, and tons of deals that never happen. just because you felt we got played on the Lebron thing (which is questionable), doesn’t mean you go into a shell and never engage in deal talks with those reps. if so, you’d be riding that high horse all the way to the lottery year after year
imagine something extremely witty here
I'm not talking about the front office...
They NEED to play ball… but us fans need to not get all riled up about this again with 1000+ post threads… You’re all setting yourselves up for disappointment.
put to sleep with the sweet sounds of a double barrel shot gun
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Jumping the gun
I think CP3, is all of 6’ . Chris will have trouble defending other PGs. I know he can run an offense and create points but who is he gonna stop? Harris can play D and get points, though he doesn’t understand possion, i still think he and Paul equate each other(Paul is a lil better).
This trade will only get us a playoff spot. We need to be smart and get a good 2 guard and hope that James is as good as advertised, as well as pray Twill pans out.
I disagree with some points
but I do agree with the idea that Paul alone won’t bring us a title.
I’d trade for him, alone, and try to get a legit scorer from the wing to go with him. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time and resources
Stay the course.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Paul Alone would
Makes us a legitimate contender. And with the talent we would not trade away, who knows, Paul could develop players himself with his god given ability. I’m curious about the knee though.
it depends on what we give away
and he is caught up with the notion of playing on a superteam with 2 other max players and a bunch of veteran minimums.
Sometimes you have to pass. I don’t equate this situation to the Kidd trade at all. We weren’t being asked to take back a stiff making 52 million
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you just attempt to "equate" Devin Harris and Chris Paul?
Honestly, I don’t even know how to react, I’m flabberghasted.
Paul is a lil better.
Reaches for gun
I Thought this stuff was over with.
WoW! I dont believe I just read all this stuff you guys posted. Lebron all over again.
I say NO to Paul if Favors and Twill is involved.
Here are a few points on where I stand.
1) Net said it best and the most important post here.
They get a combination of picks, expiring contracts, maybe a young player or two, cash and a trade exception.
2) The rumor is that Paul originally wanted to go to Orlando or NY. What does those two team have? An Athletic PF/C that work the Pick and Roll. So why would the Nets include the alleged next “Dwight Howard/Amare” in any deal for Paul?
3) The Nets would most likely have to take Okafor. With that alone, I wouldnt trade any of the current young players on this team. I am willing to trade draft picks and expiring contracts.
4.a) Yep I would definitely want Harris to be included in any trade for Paul. People say NO doesnt need a PG because of Collison, but do people actually think that other teams arent going to pick up on Collison’s game? they definitely need another PG. Harris is a cheaper Paul and if they need to trade him later on he has a good contract.
4.b) All those 3 way trades involving IND and trading Granger. Why would IND want to trade Granger? They are trying to get better by adding a PG to help Granger. Trading Granger to NO. They are trying to get rid of Big Contracts. Why would they want Granger’s. Trading Granger to the NETS. Why would we want to add that big contract when we have a stockpile of cheaper players that can play SF. Yeah Granger is better but why waste that cap space on an often injured SF that is over paid.
These are just my 4cents on this BS topic. I am for the YOUTH MOVEMENT. Paul is a very good player but too many “IFs” and “BUTs” for me.
by SIC One on Jul 27, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
SIC we agree
like we usually do.
There should be no way in heck that we give up ANY young talent if we are being asked to take on that awful, AWFUL deal
If NO really did call us, and asked for Favors in any deal for Paul/Okafor, I hope that King hung the phone up.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
This is probably one of very few trades I'd do to get Paul
Devin Harris/TWill/Humph + our 1st rounder lottery protected + cash, I would consider throwing in CLee too tho that leaves us somewhat thin at SG
I don't give them Williams or Lee
or any cash for that matter, if we have to take back Okafor’s contract
we are getting fleeced in a deal like that.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
THE BIG 4
LOPEZ/PETRO
WEST/DIOUGU/HUMPRIES
OUTLAW/JAMES
HARRIS/MORROW/ROSS
PAUL/FARMAR
TRADE
NETS GET:
PAUL-BEST POINT GUARD IN THE LEAGUE WHEN HEALTHY.
WEST-VERY GOOD LEADERSHIP AND IS STILL YOUNG STILL HAS 5 SOLID YEARS LEFT IN THE TANK. CHEAP HIS LAST YEAR IS A 6.5 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT.
DIOGU-BIG BODY GOOD BACKUP.
HORNETS GET:
FAVORS-EVERYONE IS HIGH ON THIS GUY AND HE HASNT PLAYED ONE GAME. 3 YEARS TO DEVELOPE SUFFERING FOR 3 YEARS.
WILLIAMS-IS HE EVER GOING TO BE BETTER THAN PAUL?
LEE-HE IS GOING TO BE A GOOD ROLE PLAYER THROUGOUT HIS CAREER JUST NOT A STAR.
4 ALLSTARS 2 IN THEIR PRIME AND 5+ YEARS TO COMPETE.
GOING SMALL NOT A PROBLEM
GREAT/GOOD PLAYOFF BACKCOURTS (6’0-6’3) througout 50+ Win seasons.
Mo-Williams 6’0
Delonte West 6’3
Kirk Hinrich6’2
Ben Gordan6’3
Jason Terry 6’0
Devin Harris6’3
what's the one thing that those backcourts have in common?
they never won a damn thing
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont see whats wrong in taking Okafors contract. What do we have to lose? It’s not like Melo is coming here next year anyway. He’s most likely to sign an extension. Unless if we get Okafor too we can trade him for expiring contracts.
Please go to hoopshype and look at the terms of Okafor's contract
We would be stuck with him like Antonio Cromartie is stuck with child support payments for the next 18 years.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Why the Nets would do it...
If they could pull the trigger on this deal by giving up only T-Will, Courtney Lee, Hump and next years draft, the team, barring any injuries, is SET for many years to come. If Favors, Lopez and James turn out to be what we the fans hope and they, the professionals hype, and Devin Harris, without the weight of running the team on his back, turns once again into a defensive role player, Chris Paul would be a fool to go anywhere.
Any signing of players in the future would simply be resigning the players we already have. With a soft cap and a super rich owner, the sky is the limit for what these kids can be paid. The addition of Okafor does nothing to Brook Lopez’s projected pay scale.
Okafor and Lopez can’t play together? If that holds true after some time together, Put Okafor on the bench behind Favors. The Nets don’t owe him anything other than his hulking salary. Okafors contract, no matter how big or small, is meaningless when you are home growing your own, young, cheap talent. He’s a toss in for Chris Paul.
I know some of us have huge problems trusting Pauls knees, but as long as a team of doctors deems him fit to play ball, and his knees don’t totally go on him, he can be the best point guard in the league. Not one of the best, but THE best, and thus quite possibly, injury history or not, worth the gamble.
Including Favors in the deal?
Not worth it.
Joe,
if we have to take back Okafor’s contract, why would we give them Lee and Williams?
That makes no sense.
Why would we keep Devin Harris if we have Chris Paul?
I disagree with your take. Taking Okafor’s garbage deal is a serious and counterproductive. If anything, NO should be giving us their first rd pick for the next two seasons, unprotected if they want us to take on that deal as well.
We should behave like we have our heads on straight. The team that behaves like desperate dogs play in MSG.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see Harris at SG...
I’m sort of rehashing some of my older posts and ideas here, but there’s been a million opinions on this, I’m sure people don’t remember everything…
I picture Chris Paul running the show and Devin Harris going back to being a defensive role player at his original position in high school and college, the 2 guard. If he could play the pesky defense we saw from Ray Allen in the Finals we’d be fine. Sure, he would struggle against some of the stronger studs like Wade and Kobe, but many players would.
As far as Okafors contract, if by taking him we could lessen what we have to give up, that’s even better yet. By taking Okafor with Paul, you are putting stock in the product you are already growing or have already grown, and you put a stamp on the main parts of this team as a finished product. We may need to simmer for a year or so and let Favors and James develop, but the results would be there in 2-3 years.
With a 6-7 1/2 wing span, Harris matches or comes very very close to the length of of Evan Turner, Trenton Hassell, Rudy Fernandez, Brandon Roy. I can’t find measurements for them, but he seems every bit as long as Rip Hamilton or Ray Allen.
Oh, and he weighs as much as the 6 foot 7 Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton. However, the main difference between Harris and those players is that they can shoot. If Harris added a couple more pounds and worked on his shot I don’t foresee him having too many problems at SG, if any at all.
pure fantasy bro
sorry man…i can’t agree with this.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Any semblance of hope is fantasy. I’m just trying to figure out what sort of deal could get us Chris Paul on the cheap and would would give us the best chance to win as soon as possible.
I’m not asking you to agree with me. No problems here. You and I can disagree without being childish. I like that. It’s what makes having sports opinions on the internet pleasant.
Avery did say that Harris is at a conditioning camp that should help him when he drives to the hole.
The stepback gather of his is usually money as well. But from everywhere else? ehh.. he needs work.
and in two years, Paul leaves.
No joe. No.
and Harris at two guard?
He can’t shoot, and is fragile.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to convert you MDB. We can disagree. I'm cool with that.
Neither of us know the future, though. So we’re just piling more speculation on top of the steaming heap of speculation this off-season has been made up of thus far.
Harris in not an ideal SG. I fully understand that. I do however think we could make this trade work without giving Harris up. With that, a little thinking outside the box could be done, and a spot for our All Star guard could be found. Again more speculating.
That is just my opinion. So, we disagree. I’m sure you don’t want to beat a dead horse any more than I do.
Just a point that no one seems to adress
Who’s the last great PG to win a ship?
Isiah Thomas.
4 of last decade’s championships were won by an average PG who stays within his role and hits timely shots. (Derek Fisher)
Some could argue that Parker and Rondo are “great” points guards, but I wouldn’t give them that handle. Parker and Rondo are good point guards, but not great.
I really think that the notion of having a great point guard to win a championship has proven to be a myth. I’m content with Harris running the show, Paul isn’t worth taking on Okafor’s contract and extinguishing all the flexibility that the Nets have worked to create.
by NBRITM on Jul 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
AMEN
I know that, if healthy (BIG IF) Paul is a big upgrade from Harris (OK, Devo’s injury prone, too), but I don’t think we need to trade the whole farm for a PG, since we already have an All-Star caliber PG. We’d lose depth at other crucial positions. Size wins. If the Nets reall think Favors is as good as they’re saying, then there’s no way we make this trade. You need stud bigs and a stud wing in order to wing more than a superstar PG. Favors-Lopez could be devastating and we would still be set at the PG with Devo. Also, TWill is the only wing we have with anything ressembling star potential. Not saying he’ll be a superstar, but he can be really good.
YOU NEVER
trade big for small. EVER.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
EXACTLY!!!
REC’d
I’d sooner try to make a play for Anthony than I would Paul.
This is not the way to go.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Um, what?
Paul is one of the 5 best players in the league. Melo isn’t in the top 20.
by calling all toasters on Jul 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know which part you’re "hmmm"ing, but I’m guessing it’s Melo. I know he makes All-Star teams, but he’s not of that quality. I’ve looked at the major overall stats (WARP and Win Shares) and Melo doesn’t rate, looking at the last 2 years. Going only by players who have beaten him in both stats, he’s the 3rd-best player on the Nuggets. Nene and Billups are better and it’s not real close. Granger and Ginobli are better.. Marcus Camby and Gerald Wallace are better. David Lee and Iggy are better. Marc Gasol is better.
by calling all toasters on Jul 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Carmelo is the third best player on the Nuggets?
I honestly don’t think you have ever sen him play as well, this is a case when people overstate all of these ridiculous stats, bottom line he is a top 10 talent you cannot tell me that David Lee and Iggy are better than him or Nene and Billups.
The stats are not ridiculous
You guys are making the Dave Kingman argument— look at those home runs! How can he not be an All-Star? Similarly, Melo makes some spectacular offensive plays.
As to the numbers: name a team and these numbers will usually come up with the same person as the consensus. Just looking at our division:
Nets— Lopez by a mile. Lee and Harris were 2nd and 3rd.
Celtics— Rondo followed by a tightly bunched Big 3
76ers— Iguodala, followed by Dalembert and Williams
Wiz— well, none of their good players had a full season with them, but it was Haywood out front. The previous leaders were Jamison and Arenas.
Knicks— Lee by a mile over Gallo
Toronto— Bosh by a mile.
None of these seem off to me. Yet somehow Melo isn’t the top on his team.
League-wide, the tops in Win Shares were LeBron, Durant, Howard, Wade, and Nowitzki. Does that seem off?
But Melo should be in the top 20, and isn’t. How can this be?
1) His shooting % isn’t very good.
2) He has one of the highest usage % in the league, but only gets 3 assists per game.
3) He’s average as a rebounder.
4) He’s a little below average in steals and blocks.
Put these together and you have a good to very good player, but not superb.
Also, the numbers they use have been shown over and over to predict within a few games how many wins a team gets. Isn’t that the ultimate test?
by calling all toasters on Jul 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Over-analyzing stats has led you astray, my friend. Watch him play the game. He’s a tremendously talented scorer.
by Anthony Perez on Jul 27, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he's a talented scorer
But he’s not a talented rebounder or a talented passer or a talented defender. He’s a one-dimensional player—it just happens that that dimension is the one that inattentive fans fixate on.
Underappreciating stats has stopped you from seeing the real game.
by calling all toasters on Jul 27, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you. The eye-ball test has always told me that Mellow is a much overrated player, though clearly he is a dominant scorer. The history of the league is filled with these VERY talented guys. And I never thought to look at stats why. In fact, even if the stats told me a different story, I would still not love the feel for his game.
The big key is this: Do you make other players better? You can make players better by being a dominant scorer, demanding a double team, but really this is only a small part of that equation.
He would be a fantastic player in the presence of a truly dominant player, an unstoppable force, but his game is flawed to a great degree.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 27, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Thx for the kind remarks. I find it handy to go look up the Wins Above Replacement Player (WARP) at http://www.basketballprospectus.com/cardindex.php or the Win Shares at basketball-reference simply to get an approximation of how valuable someone is. If I do that before considering age, surrounding personnel, injuries, offensive system, etc. I find I don’t make as many mistakes as I used to (eg thinking Allen Iverson was going to make Denver a powerhouse).
by calling all toasters on Jul 27, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and FWIW
in 2008-9 the Win Shares leaders were (in order) LeBron, CP3, Wade, Gasol, and Howard.
by calling all toasters on Jul 27, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
FAIL
Um, what? Paul is one of the 5 best players in the league. Melo isn’t in the top 20.
by calling all toasters on Jul 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Since the face been revealed the game got real
No, you fail
Other than “I just KNOW Melo is superawesome” what is the argument against this statement?
by calling all toasters on Jul 28, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Simple, I can’t name 20 players in the NBA I would rather have on my team. How can Melo not be in your top 10?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
OK, here's some
who are better than Melo right now: Billups, Bosh, Bryant, Duncan, Durant, Garnett, both Gasols, Ginobli, Granger, Hilario, Horford, Howard, Iguodala, LBJ, J. Johnson, Kidd, D. Lee, B. Lopez, Love, Nash, Nowitzki, Paul, Rondo, Roy, J. Smith, Stoudemire, Wade, Wallace, D. Williams.
Yeah, some of them are starting to decline, and may not be as good as Melo in 2 years. But then I haven’t included players younger than Melo who I’m confident will be better than him by then.
by calling all toasters on Jul 30, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Two words about
the proposed Paul trade scenarios.
NOT INTERESTED!!!
Don’t need a trade-demanding, suspect-knee, diva on the team polluting the young talent.
NOT INTERESTED!!!!
What about the bobcats
The bobcats are in “talks” with NO also what about a 3 way deal wit the nets NO and the bobcats?
Nets get cp3 David west (expiring contract)
NO gets- humphries, twill, Matt Carrol and erick dampier(both expiring) and first round pick
bobcats get- Devin Harris and emeka okaford
I think the bobcats would do it because they just lost Felton and traded Chandler if they had Harris and okaford back I could see them being good in the playoffs.
This is good for the nets because first we don’t have to take on okafords contract and we get a very good of in David west plus hese an expiring contract so we can still go after melo
and it’s good for NO because they get expiring deals good young player and picks everybody wins. What do you guys think?
CP3 and David West?
Sure, now we’re talking
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Nbritm
Ok fair enough can you tell me why you don’t like it?
Andres
Good point my thought was if they could get an all star point gaurd out of it they would do it just a suggestion tho
being paid 52 million dollars?
come on people…please
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why we kept some cap space. Think of it as a slightly worse version of the Outlaw contract, only this time we get CP3 as a throw-in.
by calling all toasters on Jul 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
What did Bobby Simmons make on the nets?
About 22 million dollars?
Jermaine O’Neal? Tracy McGrady? We could do a lot worse.
You're setting the bar really high
for wise cap decision making. I don’t want Okafor’s contract. I am certain Rod Thorne would not make this move after having cleared all this cap space. C Paul is recovering from serious knee surgery and he is the opposite of Vince Carter in terms of his sense of commitment to whatever team he’s on. No thanks.
If you want to talk about doing a lot worse, why don't we just forget about CP3 as he isn't coming here now and no one will know if he is damaged goods until the season starts.
Talking about doing a lot worse, we might be able to get Troy Murphy right now. His $12 million is expiring THIS season and he could actually help the Nets (6’11" PF 3 pt. shooter/scorer/rebounder), especially with uncertainty of Lopez’ recovery.
Just listen to ESPN. If anything develops with CP3, it won’t be until the trade deadline. I don’t want to be 10+ games under 500 at that time, waiting for the 2% chance a deal would be made, that could even HURT the Nets future. Instead, just get someone like Murphy now and hopefully we would be at 500 by the trade deadline, and actually a desirable young team.
The subject of CP3 is going to get old fast.
Question for my fellow Nets fans
Why should we believe ANY of this? This is all a charade. I highly doubt the Nets and Hornets are talking turkey. This is LeBron’s people, for crying out loud. THEY ARE A MARKETING FIRM. What are they doing now? THey are marketing Chris Paul, riling up various fanbases to gain leverage over what their ultimate intentions are — to sell Chris Paul just as The Decision sold LeBron (good or bad, nobody can deny it got eyeballs i.e. attention!).
These leaks are FICTIONAL and they are using us for leverage. Please, let’s not fall for it a second time in a row. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Yes they should
They definitely should be going after paul. I really dont understand why a team wouldn’t want him he is an upgrade and a superstar. if we have a chance to get him, then we should go for it.
by Jay2fly on Jul 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
jay2fly you are right but think about this way, who are we giving up. Im not ready to part ways with T-Will and I’m really not ready to part ways with Favors. This is going to be a good young core. Everyone wants a superstar on the team but take a look at what you have first before trading the person. You never know we might have a superstar in the making, just give him some time to grow.
Dre Day all day
Nah........
There’s really no one that I want to give up…….Harris will be much better under Avery’s command…….OR…… Brook Lopez and picks for Paul and Okafur…… Play Okafur at Center and Harris and Paul in the backcourt……..
SNY was talkin about CP3
They said if he is going anywhere, it is likely the tri state are, and most likely the Nets. Said they would need to ship Harris and Favors.
I really don’t wanna give up Derrick.
Consequences will never be the same.
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