Lopez Less Than Stellar in Team USA Intra-Squad Game
by Net Income on Jul 25, 2010 8:02 AM EDT
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USA Basketball's Jerry Colangelo said before his team's intra-squad game Saturday that he doesn't expect to cut any of his three big men until after the World Basketball Festival in New York next month.
That's a good thing for Brook Lopez. He'd like people to forget what they saw Saturday night.
Looking like he's still recovering from a bout with mononucleosis, Lopez had two points, no rebounds and no blocks in 13 minutes, and often seemed lost in the fast-paced game. Both Tyson Chandler and JaVale McGee had better games...although McGee didn't do much after an initial 90-second spurt.
The team will gather in New York for a week of training and promotional activities on August 9. Team USA will face off in an exhibition against Team France at the Garden August 15, then head overseas for exhibition games in Spain and Greece before opening the World Championships against Croatia on August 28.
- Boxscore - USA Basketball
- Durant shines in Team USA scrimmage - AP
- Team USA: Blue vs. White Highlights (Video) - NBA.com
- Team USA Press Conference (Video) - NBA.com
- Team USA leaves camp with an identity and a core - John Schuhmann - NBA.com
- Final Thoughts From Vegas - John Schuhmann - NBA.com
- Team USA to cut 4 players by Monday - Chris Sheridan - ESPN
- Team USA ready for what lies ahead? - Chris Sheridan - ESPN
- Kevin Durant Dazzles, Tough Cuts Loom for Team USA Basketball - Chris Tomasson - FanHouse
- White Team routs Blue Team in Team USA scrimmage; real question: who's playing center? - Matt Moore - NBC Sports
- Key U.S. Players At World Championships - Mike DeCourcy - The Sporting News
- Five Thoughts From Team USA’s Showcase - Darnell Mayberry - The Daily Oklahoman
- Durant steals show for Team USA - DIME
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he should have dropped out in the first place
because he’s clearly not in his best condition.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless there is evidence that continuing would hurt his health, he should remain, and likely will be in New York.
If Brook looks this bad in New York, then Coach K may regret that he is about to cut McGee (sounds like 50-50 chance).
BTW, I read yesterday that TEvans already took himself off the team, even though apparently many of the reporters missed it. Maybe Evans knew he was going to be cut.
Now if Brook had reason to believe he would be cut, then the wise thing to do is take his name off the list, due to his Mono.
Reports are that Lopez IS Recovered, just out of shape.
I wonder how his conditioning with Team USA would compare with what Avery would have him doing.
From reading the reports, Lopez will NOT be cut at this time. Coach K said that McGee would be the one he had to decide about.
Clearly by starting Lopez, he ranks Brook ahead of McGee going in and still feels the same way.
Even Schuhmann, who started the “cut Brook” talk a few days ago, has changed his mind, even after Brooks’ poor performance.
Schuhmann correctly pointed out that Chandler could get injured, so he includes Brook in the final 12 roster.
A team like Brazil has 3 NBA Bigs. And then there is the likely possibility of Chandler getting into four trouble. The USA lost before, in part when Tim Duncan got in foul trouble, and there was no alternative.
Whos keeping the stats?
He had a putback. So thats 2 more points and a rebound.
And he had a defensive rebound somewhere in the 1st
And he blocked Odom going down the lane
what's the over/under on the amount of stupid posts that will be made in this thread
…..about how Lopez is a bum? There had to be over 500 in the last thread.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
WHat I dont get is why its socially Netceptable to be critical of everyone else on the Nets, but no one better say anything bad about Brook or else they dont know what they are talking about.
LOL me too
I didn’t think it was a mistake at first. Go with it!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Every Player can be critisidd but if your calling Brook a Bum then
Yeah pretty much you dont know what your talking about
He only fulfilled every single criticism I have publicly voiced for ever now.
Just look down at this post below… “constantly out of position, out worked.” and blaming that on his illness? How is that diff then the reg season? Yeah he got triple teamed on a 12 win team, what else do you expect. Just because he is the only person who could score on our team doesn’t make him Tim Duncan. It really is maddening, this blind love that he gets.
You keep mentioning Timmy
no one here mentioned timmy. Everyone basically says he has 1 bad game no need to panic. But you obviously being a Brook hater translate that into " you guys act like he is Tim Duncan"… go take a seat somewhere man no one said anything like that
Exactly… no one mentions Duncan today or yesterday. You can check my profile and see how many dang times I have to comment on someone comparing him to Duncan. Its amazing. And now today its not his fault, its the sickness, the point guards… etc. Give him one good game and youll see Duncan pasted all over this board.
Dont get sensitive on us bro
we are all net fans lol
no one compares him to Tim Duncan
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
If anybody compared him to Duncun
I believe it was Devin Harris or VC his rookie year at the layup line before a game, I think Al reported that. But I didn’t don’t know if anybody on here did.
that's flat out not true
TONS of fans here have done so.
by shane gayle on Jul 25, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True dat
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't matter
he played badly in a scrimmage. He’s the worst center in the league.
Averaging 19, 9, with almost two blocks per…pfft! He’s garbage
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not content with 19-9-1.7… Im not! For a guy who doesn’t go after rebounds, yes I am going to be critical.
He should… and COULD be more, and I will not give up on him, nor will I accept what he has settled into.
This is his 3rd year
you guys act like….nevermind. The overall tone has been kneejerk and to be frank, bloody stupid around here and I know if i keep this up it’s going to get ugly
I respect you for having an opinion.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
who says he has "settled" though?
really
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
He settled because he hasn’t changed first at all…
And yes I am well aware that its his 3rd year.. but the criticism is stemming from the fact that I cant stand this love affair of him. He can literally do no wrong. I see an above average Center, I don’t see an All Star(only by sure lack at the position) and I CERTAINLY don’t see Tim Duncan.
You’re not content with 19-9-1.7 for a second year campaign for a guy who was taken with the 10th overall pick?
I am VERY satisfied with that, but again, the public is killing him. For me personally its very similar to Lebron. Lebron is the chosen one, and we were forced to “witness” him in year 2. Well if everyone is going to hold him so high I am going to judge him more severely.
This would all be more valid had he not had mono
i don’t know about you, but losing 30 lbs or something is kind of a big deal. That means no workouts, no exertion, muscle loss for a good time. With him being supposedly down to 220 from his listed 265 earlier, you don’t gain that back in a month or even two or three
who called him Tim Duncan?
You are the only one bringing up that name.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
OK OK it was ME...
I called him Tim Duncan on a post yesterday. But I was just saying how Tim’s game from first glimpse looks very UNSPECTACULAR. And that MAYBE Brook will be that “type” of guy.
So yes it was me Tim…lol
The NETS are coming!
Way to man up!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not content with 19-9-1.7 for a second year campaign for a guy who was taken with the 10th overall pick?
by muwu on Jul 25, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
i had to restrain myself. i really do like posting here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
My criticism of Harris' play last season was and is valid
Yet, I am also predicting him to have a solid season this year
your point?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
no one is beyond criticism
but please, we have folks acting like Lopez is an absolute stiff.
A guy that was being double and in some cases, triple teamed last season is a bum. Have fun with this one.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand it either
Lopez is a good player with major flaws.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 25, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Lopez isnt a bum
He is just clearly no where near in basketball shape, heck not even running shape. He was constantly out of position for rebounds, and was just getting out worked. He needs to go home and bulk up. I think Avery should send one of the assistant coaches to his residence so they can beef him up. He is frail thin. And the other guys on his team really didnt look for him down low. I know coach K isnt really about having a post up in your offense, but seriously, there were times he was open underneath and they would just jack the 3.
Lopez. For sure, the guy looked awful
But on the other hand… IT WAS 1 GAME !!! IN A SYSTEM THAT WOULDNT OF USED HIM MUCH ANYWAY (off topic but what is Brooks nationality?? is he Puerto Rican?)
USA in Trouble
OK, it was just a scrimmage and I watched only half of it, but from what I saw, Team USA is unlikely to win the World Championship. There were only two types of plays: alley-oops and three point chucks. That is not going to get it done against a disciplined and talented Euro team. We may have a lot of talent, but there’s not as much as there has been in the past. When the shooting is on, we’ll be tough to beat, but I can see this team starting off slowly in a game and then getting frustrated. At this point, Kiki’s offensive schemes would be an improvement.
The whole game was ugly.
Like watching the Warriors play themselves only with less scoring.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 25, 2010 9:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
And by 'Warriors' you meant...
New Jersey Nets?
+1
Dude you are a Nets fan not a Lakers fan. Yeah let the Nets come off their 12 win season before you start putting down Golden State. How many wins did G.S. have last year?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
lolwut?
I’m sorry, did I post this on a GS forum? GS plays fast paced with little defense. THAT’S where the comparison lies. The scrimmage was fast paced with little defense. Could the Nets playing themselves put up 116-96?! Didn’t think so. Relax yourselves.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 25, 2010 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was joking.
Think it might have went over Bl3ach’s head.
But, I agree with your comparison of the iso-style and lack of all-around continuity that the Warriors play to that of the olympic hopefuls.
Lets see what kind of season Brook has with more outside shooters.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
or when he's in game shape
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
wow hoopsworld ranked the eastern conference
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
I think we'll be fighting with Cleveland and Toronto for last place.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 25, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh.
That’s where they have us anyway. I think they rank Philly too high. Washington should be higher. I pretty much agree with the top 7.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 25, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't notice philly
Mami at number 1 is very likely Boston will be the dark horse in the playoffs again
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
yea I think it will be either us or the Raps
but I’m cool with that
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Trust me, Avery is not done with improving the roster. Avery doesn't like to lose.
His dealings could easily add another 8-10 wins.
Avery is going to tap into the draft picks and cap space to make that happen. Thorn isn’t around to prevent it.
Hopefully he will look at expiring contracts, so as to retain the cap space flexibility for next June.
Its no longer realistic to get a Star before the trade deadline.
Last nights performance should be a wakeup call.
That's HORRIBLE!!! WE GET NO RESPECT...
The ranking was supposed to be the OFFSEASON Moves…lol. Charlotte lost people and didn’t really replace them. Indiana has NOO point guard on the roster. Cleveland has NO James and No Free Agent even went there. Sixers added no one of significance. And same for the Pistons… Yet we are dead last? What a joke…
We just get no respect people are just so comfy with putting us last. It’s easy I guess. People act as if we are the only team to loose out on Lebron Wade and Bosh. Like No other team tried to get them…lol.
The NETS are coming!
I don't think people should make a big deal out of this
Brook isn’t a franchise player or even an all star. (yet?)
Some people have un real expectations for the man. he is not the second coming of Dwight. He isn’t the second best center in the East.
He is a good player but don’t be disappointed though
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
Cant argue with you there
But he def. is not a BUM thats all im saying
I prefer
Lopez, T-will maybe Coach johnson for Gallo and Isaiah thomas. Dammit i want to be a contender and i want to be a contender now, and i know Isaiah will force the issue :-/
No way the Knicks take that
You’d have to throw in Yormarket and the right to select individual Nets Dancers to join the Knicks City Dancers.
IDK
Then who will Isaiah have fun with?
Recipe for disaster if you ask me. Dont want him feeling up on Favors, that will really stump his growth
See you just committed comical genius by accident
That will really stump his growth
Coupled with the line prior is parallels that of:
I’ll be taking my talents to South Beach
In terms of comical value.
Well done.
hahahahah
heck no he’s not a bum.
Come on people should calm down after this game. I think people are scared that after his illness Lopez losing weight when he obviously need to get stronger could be a problem.
Wait till October.
I really feel when the Nets start to lose many are going to lash out on Lopez because he is what the team is calling their center piece and who they are building around.
which they shouldn’t say or do. Lopez is the best player on a 12 win team. that doesn’t mean he is the center piece.
let cut the man a break.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
Do the Jay-Z laugh for us
and we’ll fire him
I think he will get cut.
Love played well yesterday, really went after rebounds like he always does.
Chandler was a big factor on the boards too and an intimidator on defense. Looks bigger and stronger then Lopez.
Odom had a bad game, but i think he makes it in on the count of being a veteran.
Lopez will be cut.
McGee will be cut, he played really well, but his lack of experience will hurt his chances.
After reading the articles above, LOPEZ WILL NOT BE CUT AT THIS TIME, but McGee is very possible. It is already stated.
If Lopez does much better in New York, he will probably be the 12 player on roster because it is too risky to rely on Chandler not get injured or in foul trouble.
I would like to Odom cut, even if he is a Vet. Maybe let Odom drop out on his own, like TEvans did.
Billips is the real Glue Guy on the squad. Keeping Odom, means someone deserving gets cut. Kevin Love definitely Stays. I wish Nets would have gone after Love before.
Everyone seems to forget that Coach K is also trying to build a squad that can win Gold in 2012.
Neither Odum nor Billips should be part of the future, but at least Billips is the one Vet to keep.
They can replace an injured player after he gets injured, plus i was never a fan of basing what i do on the assumption that someone will get hurt. Chandler is the best defender out of all that are left. I wouldn’t worry too much about 2012 when Howard is sure to be back.
I think Odom should drop out too, not sure why he even wants to be there. He is older and seems like he always has nagging injuries. He should rest. But i dont think they cut him unless he drops out on his own. Him and Love have the advantage of playing 2 position, Lopez cant.
You sure Evans dropped out, i thought he was just hurt and sitting out the game?
NO THEY CAN'T REPLACE AN INJURED PLAYER. THOSE ARE INTERNATIONAL RULES.
I wish it wasn’t true, but that is what I heard and it may be the reason that Lopez will be the 12th player on Team USA.
Yes, I read yesterday morning that Evans (or someone close to him) said there was no point in playing. I don’t have time to search for article, but it could be because he knows he will be cut.
In the Fanshouse article Jerry C. is quoted as saying last night that Evans will be cut, so now Evans should officially drop out before he is cut. He wants to play in the future for Team USA.
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/25/kevin-durant-dazzles-tough-cuts-loom-for-team-usa-basketball/
Several stories have suggested otherwise, at least once the final cut comes. There might be some special case, which I would like to hear about.
I can’t remember any time in the past when a player replaced someone, after the games started. And there were some minor injures in past years.
I listened on the replay tonight to Fran's remark, and the answer is still NO (after the first game starts)
I explained what he said at the bottom of this post.
Replay of game on NBA TV tonight at 8 PM.
I admit to falling asleep during most of Q4. I don’t think I missed much. Did I miss a few minutes of PT by Brook?
However, I keep reading that Brook didn’t get any rebounds, but we all know he had a rebound early on with no one defending. Hope the official scorers are better in Turkey.
Guys I hate to say this but I think Brook Lopez might be done....
You see a lot of greats who do well their first couple seasons then one thing just throws them off game. I think this is the first time in Brooks career that he stopped playing basketball when he got sick and he might be done. Brook and Lamar Odom had similar first seasons then he just never got back. Lets face it Brook was the worst on the floor last night he couldnt catch the ball. I think we could have put Boone out there and he would have done something.
We will regret this in the long run if we trade Brook now while his career is well we could get something if we dont he might never be the same. You want shocking…you will get shocking because I know Brook has a good chance of never doing well again.
Guys I hate to say this but I think LeBron James might be done....
You see a lot of greats who do well their first couple seasons then one thing just throws them off game. I think this is the first time in Lebron’s career that he stopped playing basketball when he gave up at the end of game 5 and he might be done. Lebron and Lamar Odom had similar first seasons then he just never got back. Lets face it Lebron was the worst on the floor in the last 5 minutes of game 5, he couldnt catch the ball. I think we could have put Boone out there and he would have done something.
We will regret this in the long run if we trade Lebron now while his career is well we could get something if we dont he might never be the same. You want shocking…you will get shocking because I know Lebron has a good chance of never doing well again.
by Handsomelad on Jul 25, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 26, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
By "I hate to say this"...
…you mean you love to say it,right? Because you have been blowing that horn for along time.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
^ @ Randy
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I am a passionate fan so when I see something that could hurt my team I say something
Just like if you owned a buisness you are investing money in your employees aka players the ones that you waste your time watching. If they arent commited to doing the job the way it should be done then you say something.
I critized Vince Carter in the past as well I didnt like his monivation to not want to play in the playoffs. This year proves it he didnt want to win any more games then the magic did.
by RandyOreens on Jul 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol if i remember Vince has some unbelievable playoff games
Anyway that is not the point. The point is your to emotional lol
And passionate fans make the hastiest, least rational decisions
So, you’re gonna bet that there’s a good chance Brook will now never do well a game based on a 1 game observation?
Reason #3546 why passionate fans are in the stands and not in the board room: your heart was not designed to think
Would I be crazy to think...
that it actually might be beneficial for Lopez to play with and against high level competition for USA? He’s reported recovered from mono. Yes he needs to get back his strength and conditioning. But would it hurt to do this on this platform?
Hey the worst that can happen is he forms some friendships and then we have The Decision Part II? LMAO
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jul 25, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions
MAYBE BROOK PICKS...
Chilli’s over the Outback SteakHouse…lol
You think Brook is trying to get close to Durant and Westbrook? Or Maybe get in Rondo’s Ear about the Celtics?
The NETS are coming!
SLOPEZ......
Both Mind and Body………I’ll give him one more year to prove that he is worth something or hopefully his trade value will still be high and we can trade him for a Really High Lottery pick……..He is always so lost on the court…He’s like Yi 2…….
It wasn't pretty
But it honestly does not matter. I could care less if he makes the cut or not. Just as long as we don’t see anything like that in the season. Also, those statistics aren’t totally right. I am 99% positive he had a block in the early minutes of the game.
Consequences will never be the same.
and he also had a clear defensive rebound - but he sucked any.
He was given only 1 turnover, but he probably hurt his own team by 10 or more points.
Every time Brook was in the game, the lead grew. Wish we had his +/- stat.
I hope Coach K. and Jerry C. factor in that Brook needs a few more weeks to get make in shape due to his recovery from Mono.
lol some of you guys on here here just make me shake my head.
First game back from mono in a practice and he’s a bum, horrible lets trade him for Eric Dampier, smh I don’t get Nets fans sometimes.
seriously
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 26, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be a mistake for Team USA to take Lamar Odum, just because he is tall and could "hypothetically" fill in at Center.
Odum is shown many times in the past that he can have a terrible game. One bad game by him, and Team USA could be eliminated.
Please cut Odum.
It would be a mistake to cut any big man
Team USA is already tiny as it is, Jeff Green got major minutes. They’re gonna need all the big men they can get their hands on
It's not just this game.....
It’s the last two years also…….Brook was a # 10 pick yet some people say that he should have been around # 3……….He’s been playing like a second rounder…..His head is just not in the game and the same goes for his legs….Maybe he has a very low Basketball IQ ?……Hopefully Popeye or Bluto Krystowiak can make him more aware…….His reaction time is very slow…..Yeah , I want Brook to be an All-Star and that dominating center that we really never had (except maybe Gminski) but I’m not getting a good feeling about him lately……I want the Nets to win so if he can’t step up than why waste time….Trade him while he still has value……
what on earth.....
are you talking about? 19 and 9 with 80% ft for a 2nd year center is phenomenal. the kid lost 30 lbs with mono and is just starting to get his bearings back. did you expect him to dominate this team USA exhibition where everyone was trying to ‘get theirs’ and not get cut? he’s not bringing the ball over halfcourt himself.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jul 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Man I would hate it if some of these folks were on the Ledge. Brook obviously Needs to gain the muscle back. He looked Rail thin and really young. Like a high school kid. Wow now he’s a second rounder tho??? Wow too strong there…
Look up Javale Mcgee and Roy Hibbert next best centers after Lopez and put thier stats next to Brooks…
And there were no savior types at any position in that 2008 draft after Brook.
The NETS are coming!
We went from comparing him to Duncan to Javale Mcgee? I’d have to say that is a shift.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I used Mcgee
Because this dude is saying Brook is playing like a “second rounder” Mcgee came out the same year Brook did. 2008 draft.
The NETS are coming!
All I’m saying is:
Duncan > Lopez > McGee
but with Lopez perhaps a bit closer to McGee than Duncan.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said duncan wasn't better.
Just mentioned the style of thier games. Duncan is never said to be the “athletic freak” type of guy. He doesn’t play at 500mph. He just goes about his bussiness. That’s all i said. Duncan is top 50 guy and future HOF. Just said Brook has some of the same traits. SOME NOT ALL..
The NETS are coming!
And Mcgee is closer to
Tyson Chandlar. Mcgee will start this year.. His first starting. He will put up numbers but let’s see what they are first. And I can positively tell you Mcgee will never get double Teamed this year at all. With the likes of wall, arenas, thornton, blatche on the floor. Every guy is a competent scorer. I loved thorntons game since college.
The NETS are coming!
Its like when one compares guys who can’t jump to Larry Bird. Do you know how many pretty bad players have been compared to Larry Bird, just because they too could not jump? The point is, when you select a certain feature which is counter-intuitional (like he doesn’t seem like he’s playing hard, or can’t jump). but leave out the TRANSCENDENT feature, like insane footwork and court awareness, you are describing a mediocre player.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is not to say that Brook is mediocre, but he is missing some essential skills that could make a Center dominant in this league.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS
And I’m getting the feeling that Brook is never going to grasp those essential skills (BBall IQ)……..I just don’t feel that he will ever be close to a Franchise Player so while his value is high , trade him for a top lottery pick and possibly get that franchise player…..OR….Keep him and keep hoping……
but he said some.
And some of those things can be fixed over time. But even in time, and at this time, he is not playing like a second rounder. How do you even get to that opinion?
So, we should trade the best player we have...
…because he’s not going to be any good. And in exchange we’ll get a franchise player. That’s completely nuts.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
wow.
I must have missed this but there was actually a comparison between Duncan and ANY big man this side of Shaq, Ewing & Olajuwon!?!
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jul 25, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The Only team i can think of that is weak at the Shooting/Small Forward position is Cleveland and has a bunch of Power Forwards Anderson Varejeo, Antawn Jamison, JJ HIckson and Leon Powe
Maybe a deal for JJ Hickson and Sabastian Telfair for Terrence Williams and Quinton Ross
They arent doing that...
Hickson is thier starting center right now… not happening… Is Leon Powe healthy? He may be available…BUT not for T-Will.
The NETS are coming!
Leon Powe would be a great addition only 26 a banger 6 points 4 rebounds in 14 minutes say 10 and 6 in 24 minutes thats pretty good but nets are diffinetly going to trade T-will where is he going to play on this team if he is not a Forward.
What did he tear, the ACL?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe... but just not yet...
LoL. If we arent going to compete as its being forcasted. The best move is to “showcase” T-Will so that you can get more for him. They will find minutes for him and someone will get hurt. So no need to trade the most interesting guy on the Team..
The NETS are coming!
I think Avery thinks he, himself, is the most interesting guy on the team.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Notables players that could be availble because of the depth a the Power Forward
Jordan Hill Houston has jefferies, hayes, scola, miller, yao
Jason Thompson Kings Cousins, dalanbert, Landry, jackson, greene
Only two guys plus JJ hickson/ a superstar who I would trade for T-will.
Houston believes in Hill, he ain’t going anywhere.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's Too Bad.....
I believe in Jordan Hill also……
Is this the same Jordan Hill who couldn't crack the Knick's rotation?
What do you believe about him?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
When he went to Houston he game dramatically improved. His per 36 in Houston was a respectable 14 and 11, and his FG% went from 44% to 53%.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
“his game”
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct me if im wrong
Harris vs. Paul
Marbury vs. Kidd
On the court and off the court leadership
By aquiring someone like Paul injury or not the Nets would become an instant champion contender just look at how aquiring a leader on and off the court in Jason Kidd(Knee Problems) helped the Nets reach the finals 2 straight years, but that is the difference between what a allstar can do and a superstar can do Marbury and Harris were allstars in their prme but dont/didn’t have the leadership a team needs.
Any deal we would have to give up T-will, Harris, and Hump and take on Paul and Okofur.
Our lineup vs. the two time nba defending champs
Lopez vs. Bynum
Okufur vs. Gasol
Outlaw vs. Artest
Lee vs. Fisher
Paul vs. Kobe
Petro vs. Ratliff
Favors vs. Odom
James vs, Barnes
Morrow vs. Vujacic
Farmar vs. Blake
Ross vs. Walton
Zoubek vs. Mbenga
It would be probably
Paul vs. Blake: Nets
Kobe vs. Lee : Lakers
Artest vs Outlaw: Lakers
Okafur vs. Bynum: Even
Lopez vs. Gasol: Lakers
Odom vs Favors: Lakers
Farmar vs. Fisher: Even
Petro vs. Caracter, Even (Mbenga is with Atlanta)
Morrow vs. Barnes, Vujacic: Even
Ross vs. Walton: Nets
Zoubek vs Ratliff: Lakers
And the biggest problem is that while it might make an okay match up with the Laker bigs, Okafor is a center and can’t really play most PFs in the league.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This had to be the dumbest reply I had
Blake will not start over Fisher the triangle offense specialist not as long Phil Jackson is still the head coach and Powell signed with Atlanta not Mbenga they have Collins.
Why wouldN’T Okafor be able to play Power Fowards its not like he’s Curry Shaq or Cousins big.
Plus Utah has a similar starting Lineup upfront Okur (not athletic) and Jefferson(NOT ATHLETIC) he is Boozers replacement and Millsap is not going to be the starter.
Lakers C/PF Bynum, Gasol that is not even an athletic lineup.
You dont have to be a in the greatest shape or be the fastest player to be be a good defender just look at Ron Artest. Defense is your concern right.
Sorry for the dumbest reply ever.
And sorry for the slip of Powell to Atlanta. But let’s check out your genius.
1. Have you look at the last time Okafor played PF? Tell me what year that was?
2. Mbenga is NOT playing on the Lakers next year, he was replaced by Ratliff for the vet min, yet you insist on putting him in the lineup.
3. Comparing Okafor to Okur is ridiculous because Okur can make PFs and Cs pay by shooting threes. What was Okafor’s 3pt% last year?
4. Artest has one of of the fastest pair of hands in the league, and excellent footwork comparing Artest’s ability to guard 3 positions to Okafor who lacks all quickness is hilarious.
5. As for Fisher not starting. That is debatable. It is very possible that they will let Blake play the minutes so that Fish can rest for the playoffs, and so that Blake can LEARN the triangle. He also is a better defender than Fish, which was a HUGE weakenss of the Lakers last year in the regular season, and much more in the Phil Jackson mode of what he looks for in a defender.
But MOST OF ALL, aside from all your errors, you posted that getting Paul and a player that NO is dying to give away would make the Nets contenders for the championship, which alone wins for the dumbest post of the day.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Further, you missed that Caracter, who was considered one the best Summer League players of the summer is going to be on the club, as is widely assumed by Laker watchers.
And I missed that Ebanks will be on the roster. so it would be
James vs. Ebanks: Even
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
+ a whole lot
Paul would make the Nets most likely a playoff team not a contender unless you consider making the playoffs a contender?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
To add to you unfamiliarity with the Lakers, Kobe never guards the best offensive player if he can help it. They like to put him off the ball so that he can patrol the passing lanes. If faced with Paul and Lee he most definitely would guard Lee. And Paul certainly would not be playing Kobe at 6’0".
And because Paul would eat Fisher up who has a very big problem with speed at the PG position, even if Fish was to start (which I am really not convinced of) during the year, Phil would put Blake on Paul with the sole task of keeping him in front of him. This is exactly what Phil did with Harper who he played at the Point on defense when he had him. Phil likes to have the long armed defender on the point, disrupting passing lanes, making the point shoot over him. Paul could certainly shoot over anyone, but there is very little chance that Phil would allow him to abuse Fisher off the dribble, which is what would happen. If you know anything on how Jackson likes to construct a defense, Blake is his guy. (The also make a commitment to Blake this year at more $, and forced Fisher to take a big paycut, willing to let him walk away.)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
“made” not “make” a commitment.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me help you out on Okafor and his NBA Power Forward experience:
Here is the percentage of the team’s total minutes the player was at that position
2005
PF 16% C 4%
2006
PF10% C 47%
2007
PF 5% C 62%
2008
PF1% C 65%
2009
PF 0% C 59%
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude Okafor
at PF is just a joke I am sorry, you can’t have him and Brook on the floor together which is why this trade would never happen.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Embarrassing
…to see Net fans bail on Brook. I hate feeding trolls, but what on earth would possess anyone who cares about our team to write some of the knee-jerk, negative posts on this thread? Really incredible. No shame.
I sure hope.....
that Brook gets better…….I’m just being realistic…….He doesn’t seem to be catching on too quickly……….And by no means am I a Knick Troll……GO NETS !!!!!
Regarding the Injury rule for the World Championships
I listened closely to Fran’s statement about getting a replacement for an injury. The answer is NO.
What he said was that the final cut comes right before the first game.
Therefore, you better bring an extra player (or more) to Turkey, just in case there is a last minute injury.
This is critical and is Lopez’ best hope of being on the 12 man squad, in case Chandler gets injured (not to mention foul trouble).
Off topic
Udonis Haslem’s mother passed away.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 25, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
Team USA Centers
How long did they look over the roster of Centers and decide?
I mean they could have went after healthier guys..nothing against Brook..Im not a fan but dont dislike him either. But he had mono…this almost ended UFC’s Brock Lesnar’s career…if you dont know who that is…He’s a heavyweight..the most legit heavyweight in MMA. Pure muscle..anyway back to what im saying…Brook should be resting at home..Im loving he wanna be on this team and support USA…but why didnt he just tell Robin to shave his head and pretend to be him(..thats a joke)..but seriously The coach for Team USA should have looked at possible replacements for Brook..Al Horford could have been a nice addition, as I said Robin wouldve been a nice addition, Okafor, Lamarcus, and maybe more could have replaced Brook.
I respect Brook Lopez for his courage but if I was the coach Id cut him…it’s better to stay home and get healthy in this kind of situation
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