TWill: Light at the End of the Tunnel
by Net Income on Jul 25, 2010 7:26 AM EDT
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The Boston Globe's Gary Washburn spoke recently with Terrence Williams about his future with the Nets...and his relationship with his new coach, "The Little General".
"I’m definitely excited. It can’t be no worse than what I have already been through. I’m definitely excited for the turnaround and the change and see what direction that goes in. It’s new light at the end of the tunnel. I think we have a very good owner, a very good coach. We’ll just see what happens.’’
Williams is aware of Avery Johnson's reputation as a disciplinarian. "The stuff that he wants, he’s going to say it and he expects you to do it. It’s not like previous coaches where they don’t really speak up. He says what’s on his mind and I respect that.’’
- Williams versatility on display - Gary Washburn - Boston Globe
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this is his chance
TWill has a fresh slate this season and will get playing time so he has every chance to convince Avery that he can be a vital part of the future and feature heavily in the rotation. But it cuts both ways, as TWill has an undefined role at the moment if he mouths off or is late or uses twitter in a negative way then he could be shipped off to another team.
I am hopeful he will prove to be a key player for the Net’s future and that Avery will get the best out of him.
by Yi Of Little Faith on Jul 25, 2010 7:56 AM EDT reply actions
You can already see
how he respects Avery. This is a young team and Devin is the only one that knows how Avery coaches. It’ll be interesting to see how this young team responds to discipline.
Twill will have every opportunity to show what he’s got. Good luck to him.. Competition is good and may the best man win…
Happy to see some Twill positivity
I’m not telling any of the T-Will haters that he’s a lock to be a star.
I just feel on this current team that is still on the outside looking in, you don’t trade someone so talented unless it’s part of a blockbuster.
We are not winning the championship next year! I don’t care what the depth chart says on July 25th!
Injuries occur and certain players will step up. Off of the end of last year and SL, I’m not ready to give up.
Please give Avery a chance to mold him because he seems to be a good kid with desire. He’s a gym rat and the jumper will improve. If he still hasn’t developed after this season, then by all means go ahead BK.
no one here "hates" TWill
no one here, as far as I know, knows TWill.
It’s an overused word, even if it’s intentionally exaggerated.
I think he means “hat-ah”
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to see something positive about T-Will on here for once
All he has to do is listen, and take Avery’s instruction and his game will elevate.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
NetsDaily and Net Income post links to articles that are written
If a majority of those article are negative, that’s not their fault. It is just a reflection of reality.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
TWill is the only exciting player on the team...
…even if he is a knucklehead. We should keep him at least until the season is underway to see if he sinks or swims in Avery’s system. He’s got a spark and could be very good under the right coach..
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
But we have seen DH'sbest...
and know what he can do. Every time TWill touches the ball, it might be amazing. Or a turnover.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. Looking forward to that in the fall...
…but he’s still new to me. Highlight reels are nice but…they only show highlights. Twill looks unstoppable in them, too.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I was joking...
You’re better than that NI, come on.
Sounds positive
Good to hear. I really hope it works out for him with this team. If all goes well and they all take to what they are being asked to do the Nets could really run some team into the ground next season and Twill could be a very exciting component.
My favorite part of the story:
Williams walked back to the free throw line, humbly uttering, "Yes sir,’’ to Johnson.
a coach that demands respect and accountability
amazing, after the past 7 years i thought that something like that was only a myth
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like how Twill takes a shot at both Frank and Kiki
“The stuff that he wants, he’s going to say it, and he expects you to do it. It’s not like previous [so-called] coaches where they [were afraid to] speak up.”
notice the brackets?
And so said the old man!
Pages 2-4 are a must read. Also discusses in detail about Sean Williams.
In fact this article could be the subject of 3 separate posts.
Goes into detail about Sean Williams on page 2-3. A little confusing about which Williams they are talking about.
However, this is mainly an Indiana Pacer article and that is relevant to Nets also.
Article (page two) suggest that Troy Murphy (among other expirings) could be available as Indiana is looking to clear cap space for next summer.
Pacers are 10 million over the salary cap.
Nets could easily solve much of their current dilemma of competing this year if they took on Indiana’s Troy Murphy (12 million expiring). If Indiana is set on not re-signing him (just turned 30), they may be willing to accept mostly pic(s) only for Murphy.
Murphy would be a nice complement to Favors and Lopez. He rebounds, spreads the defense (hits killer 3s) and scores and could fill in for Brook (at 6’11"). He’s a little slow, but then Avery likes Bigger players at their position.
After Brook’s performance last night, Nets have to be more realistic about this season. If Nets want to compete for a playoff spot (and Avery/Proky do), then Murphy should be high on that shopping list.
Since Murphy is expiring, Nets could retain cap space flexibility for next summer, when he just turns 31 (or re-sign him for a reasonable contract)
Nets are one of only a few teams who could absorb Murphy’s salary and the team that should need him the most.
and thus would cut themselves out
of any deal that would bring in a better player than Murphy.
In addition to being slow and not very good on defense (and I am being kind), he also misses 10 to 15 games a year on average.
The Nets plan is to keep $14 or $15 million in cap space through the trade deadline unless something very enticing comes up…very enticing, then go into the off-season with $18 million.
That plan will have to change now that they have to be more realistic for a change, and NOT expect anything better to come along.
And the figure of $10 million (not all $14-15 million) was mentioned as holding onto. Even by Thorn’s remarks (and he has no say anymore), Nets should be willing to part with $4-5 million, if it can get the right player.
And if Murphy is so slow and incompetent as you suggest, then why does he start nearly every game for the past 6 years?
People should verify the record for themselves. He has played in 72-75 games for the past 3 years. Hardly an injury risk.
He’s certainly not slower than Lopez was last night.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/troy_murphy/career_stats.html
Unless Nets get someone suitable on a Rookie contract (which I’m sure they are trying to do at this time), its not likely they will find someone before the deadline, who could help as much as Troy Murphy. Even Dave D. mentioned him as a possibility and the other options he mentioned don’t seem to be going anywhere.
At least with Murphy, Nets could regain the full cap space at the end of the season. They could sign someone for say 7 million/yr. on a several year contract, which would reduce their flexibility. If that wasn’t an ideal person it could be a disaster.
And also remember that Avery/King are now calling the shots (with approval from Dmitry). No longer will Thorn be able to put off getting the team better sooner than later. Fans aren’t going to put up with another year anything light last year.
by jerry25 on Jul 25, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This will be perfect
If we can get Troy we will have the best TEAM in the eastern conference depth wise.
by Marquise Johnson on Jul 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I am NOT speculating
when I say they want $14 to $15 million…and Thorn is gone.
“Not likely they will find someone before the deadline”?
Based on what?
You construct these amazing arguments.
@ Net Income
The Nets plan is to keep $14 or $15 million in cap space through the trade deadline unless something very enticing comes up…very enticing, then go into the off-season with $18 million.
Well, if they traded for a player with a large expiring contract (like KMart or Murphy, like Kerber suggested), that contract would come off the books in the summer and we’d keep all that cap space going into the offseason.
Who would you have your eye on in 2011? Not Mellow, but who?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure NI understands. He was one of the people who suggested Nets taking AK47s 18 million contract as an option.
NI is trying to prepare us to believe that Avery/King are essentially done with the roster, save a Vet Min player.
I don’t accept that. Avery/King aren’t as disciplined/patient as Thorn, and at this time, that may be a good thing.
Rod kept telling us that its essentially all about the money. Show them the money and players will come to Nets.
Rod/Proky overrated their attraction. Nets would be wise to discount any chance for some great deal before the trade deadline.
The article above does suggest that Indiana may be more willing to free cap space than I previously believed.
It would be crazy not to pursue that option and see where it leads, if the other options keep failing.
Perhaps Net Income
was stating that if the Nets did take on one of those large expiring deals – like Murphy- that it affects the Nets ability to simply absorb that more entcining perhpas larger deal without having to give matching contracts back.
Perhaps the team giving up that more enticing perhaps longer deal he is referring to, may not be as willing to take back even expring matching contracts in order to have immediate savings? I don’t know – I’m asking.
They are holding that money
for someone who is game changer, not KMart or Troy Murphy.
They are holding on to it in case much bigger fish become available. Not a 35 year old whose return from his latest knee surgery has no timetable or a slow 30 year old.
This is about a BIG player, a Chris Paul or a Melo.
I think that this is a reasonable assessment, but it seems pretty unlikely that Mellow would come here. He wants rings, and Denver is much more stacked team than the Nets (no matter how much “potential” the Nets have). And Paul is a remote possibility if N.O. wants to trade him where he doesn’t want to go. But at certain point there has to be a compromise.
It isn’t going to be a game changer, but it isn’t going to be a stiff, middle of the road guy either.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You yourself said that CP3 is a risk, due to his knee, and that he doesn't want to play for the Nets, so he could become a FA, even if he was traded to Nets.
And what would the Nets have to give up to get Melo (even if he was interested in re-signing with Nets, which he isn’t).
That is the whole point. Being realistic means that there is less than a 10% chance of any great deal for a great player being available, before the trade deadline, due to cap space.
Good managers have to weigh the probabilities. If they can make a run for the playoffs and still have a chance for all the cap space for next summer, then maybe they will try that route. They aren’t making a run at the playoffs with the current roster.
Maybe the team has come under the spell of Favors, and imagines that he can hold the minutes there. I am not of this opinion, but if they don’t make a move for a PF it is the only explanation.
Or maybe they are just playing a game of chicken with the league. Everyone knows they are kinda stuck, so it isn’t really a buyers market for them.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We dont take on a big contract because
We want flexibility to take on contracts when teams are dumping players at the trade deadline no?
Sure. But you don’t just take on contracts willy-nilly. What guys are you talking about?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
What guys are you talking about?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly i didnt even look
but that would be my guess on why we hold onto the money ( i didnt even read all of you guys post i just glanced so someone may have even said what i said already)
I’ve read this many times, but nobody actually has players in mind. It sounds good, saving money for the big salary dump, but salary dump guys are usually OVER paid guys. And unless they are difference makers, getting them really doesn’t sound so wise.
Unless I hear names, I don’t really know how to judge that.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
VC worked out pretty well
It may be a chance, i would believe thats how the Nets are thinking. And think if CP3 wasnt injured and he did the same thing that would be another guy. So its possible
We are arguing about 2 scenarios :
1. Absorb 1-2 expiring contracts before the season begins, make the playoffs as a result and regain full flexibility in June, but with Nets as a desirable destination (one year away from Brooklyn by next June).
2. Do essentially nothing with the slim hope of some magical acquisition in February (CP3/Melo are out of the question), and proceed to compete to avoid being the worst team in the East. Instead maybe they realize there wouldn’t be any good acquisitions so they go back to plan 1 (above) but are already well under 0.500 by mid February.
Yes.
So it looks like the Nets were poised to offer Scola big money for a few years, but after that didn"t work – I believe that you are correct based on some of the comments of King and the common sense behind it.
Do yo think they wil fill the 15th roster spot with a cheap PF just for an extra PF body and depth at PF? Weren’t they most recently interested in Powell, who certainly woud just be competition for Hump before Favors gets ready.
So for now at PF it’s Hump, Favors, Outlaw, sprinkle in Petro and maybe James? We’ll see what the matchups are.
Its a recipe that could compete with the bottom of the Eastern conference as one author just suggested.
The right temporary upgrade could easily make a 10 game difference. And Chicago is the perfect example of why making the playoffs (barely) is a GOOD thing.
It matter none how bad we are
If we are looking to trade in at the deadline. the players dont decide where they go, the GM’s decide. FA is a diff story.
If you want to put your faith
in a writer for HoopsWorld, who apparently talked to NO ONE (no quotes, not even a paraphrase of a quote) over what Avery Johnson has said publicly, be my guest.
If we want to believe Avery, then he sounded pessimistic about Nets chances at playoffs, with current roster.
And Avery also repeated that Proky gave him the task of making the playoffs in first year.
Avery has to be unsatisfied with roster and since he now is the most influential person in organization, and since King likes to “pull the trigger” on spending money, I look for something to happen in next 2 months.
two points
He said that before all the free agent signings
He has said the team will win significantly more games adding specifically that he doesnt mean 25 games.
I dont know how far any of these "offers" got
that’s the problem. As far as we know, the only “offers” that APPEAR to have been made to a big man were made to Boozer ($75 million over five) and Tyrus Thomas ($40 million).
NO offers were made to Amare Stoudemire or David Lee and the Nets were “prepared to offer” $55 million to Scola and $20 million to Anthony, ACCORDING TO THEIR AGENTS.
You think Scola’s agent made up a number for leverage?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its possible
there were some discussions about what he would require…and that became more solid when he talked with the Rockets.
But the number came out after he had signed. It would be in the agent’s interest would it be? I guess, maybe.
I would be inclined to believing the offer. Prok said that points out of PF was a high priority.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Twill: “I have done a lot of work this summer and hopefully it shows.”
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
he did shoot better
but his shot selection was still an issue. At the end of last season, he seemed to have improved in that area, but in summer league, he seemed to revert to last season’s mid-season form.
I think there is ONE thing that would put him on the floor for Avery, defense. If he defended how he dunks, he would be out there.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember TWill was directly responsible for 2 of 3 summer league wins. He did it by showing he can take over a game.
Nets need to develop his winning attitude. TWill may be the best Net to take over a game. He didn’t get much chance last year.
Once TWill knows he can take over a game, then Avery can choose when to let him loose during the season.
If Avery is behind, and needs a spark off the bench, Avery will have more confidence in TWill, as a result of what he saw in Summer league.
I think Twill believes he can take over a game. That is part of his problem.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And that is part of his problem.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We would have been stuck on 8 wins
If it wasn’t for games like his 27-13-10 games against Chicago in overtime. Not many players can affect the game from a passing,rebounding,and scoring standpoint like that, why getting a triple double is hard, he flirted with one basically every game down the stretch.
He was the best player on the worst team in basketball for two months. Okay, that’s a good thing. But because the Nets are building a team that is not supposed to be the worst team in basketball, being the “take over” guy on a horrible team really isn’t a helpful thing on your resume.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He did it against good teams
Not like us Net fans are the only ones that noticed, I watched the Suns game on the NBA package the Suns announcers were gushing over him and his future, basically said if it wasn’t for the Suns being the hottest team in the NBA at the moment Nets would have won. I mean the kid was a rookie playing for a non-coach, you can’t just discount his talents, basically you put him on the floor and he produces, and will look like one of the best players on the floor just is what it is, he’s very talented.
Do you mind if I ask you how old you are?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Because sometimes when someone doesn’t get something about how teams are constructed and how players fit together, it can be due to age. And when it is, it is pretty much not worth arguing about. Most crazy Twill fans strike me a pretty young.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Crazy T-will fans
What did I say that was crazy? The fact that I said he was talented? You can find that statement coming out of coaches mouths not mine. Did I say he was Lebron or Grant Hill?? No, all I’m saying is you don’t get rid of a player with his talents for nothing. You play your best players and the coaches job is to make it fit. I don’t think Jordan Farmar, Morrow who’s sighing I love, or Lee have a higher ceiling or influence a game the way he does, why is everybody Calling about T-Will?? Because he has value, which you don’t seem to see.
Sorry to lump you in with the crowd.
But you do not seem to see that calling Twill “talented” or “athletic” is a euphemism.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends who is saying it.
Nate Robinson has been called a lot of wonderful things as well. And the guy is a dynamite player. The guy is insanely talented, and can take over whole quarters if not games…
…But, he isn’t really a very good basketball player.
If that makes any sense to you we could probably find agreement somewhere. If it doesn’t, we probably can’t.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And I do see that he has value, but I don’t think it is for this team.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool.
That is always my point on him.
He honestly needs not to be on a bad or young team. He needs to be the guy off the bench on an experienced team, where his physical gifts can just shine and he can change the tempo of the game. He could be a 6th man in the Vinnie Johnson mode, though I don’t think you can recall him. He was an impossible to stop guard for the Detroit championship team, called “the microwave” because he heated up so fast. Needs to shoot better of course, but he has that kind of dynamic to me.
But, at least to my mind, doesn’t really fit on a young, less than very good team.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you don’t know basketball, if you could not see the impact Terrence had on the game! He was a ROOKIE and won us many of those games with his near TRIPLE DOUBLES! Not too many players can even come close to having that kind of impact, let alone as a rookie!
LETS GO NETS!
Lol C'Mon Kv
Age has nothing to do with it. At all if the guy knows or doesnt know basketball age has nothing to do with it
I disagree. The way that ESPN markets players and drives the game through highlights, and the advent of NBA 2K, over emphasizes individual talent to a distortion of what is really happening on the court. And this is something of a generational thing. Dunks becomes the signature of a great player.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’m not saying that everyone can’t have an opinion. Its just that sometimes you realize were the opinion is coming from and it isn’t worth arguing over.
When I found out how old Andy was I actually lost all my will to argue against him, and found him pretty endearing. Instead of a misinformed Nets fan, he became a cool and hopeful young dude. I liked him much more as a poster once I knew where he was coming from.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
it could be. I’m 45. its good to know where you are coming from too.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Dang
I feel old around here… hehe at least there is a new generation of net fans! training my 3 little boys to be Net fans, but the wife loves the lakers! blah eww!
Im 27, and i know that doesnt seem too old, but when a very attractive young lady was talking to me, and she goes 19, i first thought oh that isnt that bad, but that is 8 years! YIKES! I am gettin old!
I'm 52 and I don't buy most of what you say...
…but that’s OK, you keep the conversation going, props to you. I have lived and died Nets basketball for decades. The difference between us is that I don’t care to argue about it. IMHO what you and others claim is wisdom and knowledge is only speculation and opinion, some based on more experience than others. Why waste time trying to sway others to your view, and why disparage those who don’t see it your way as endearing youngsters? That sounds pretty condescending by the way, though I don’t think you meant it that way. I won’t call you endearing, though your are a little wet behind the ears compared to me.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason why you discuss/argue your views is that it give you to test out the reasoning of them, and discover whether what you think is well supported or not. It gives you a chance to change you own mind. This is called growing.
Of course it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, they think what they think and its enough for them.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I should add of course I have NO claim to wisdom or even knowledge due to age. There are a lot of idiots my age and older. Only that knowing someone’s age and experience and frame of reference makes a big difference when discussing disagreements.
If you are talking about quality big men with someone who things Favors is an insanely good Big Man, and they have never heard of or seen Bill Walton, well, it makes a difference. I all likelihood you are never going to convince someone of a different standard of greatness if they never saw it. It won’t mean that Favors is necessarily a poor big man just because he has nothing of Bill Walton (for instance), but the comparison of standards simply is not there. Different frame of reference.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
not “things”, thinks.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what you mean...
…and I get it. Also let me also say you are thoughtful and articulate in your posts. But sometimes I agree with the younger fans argument despite their lack of experience. Because it is all opinion and speculation, no matter how much you back it up with facts and statistics. In sports, as in financial products, “Past performance is no guarantee of future results.”
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
There is nothing about being young that means that you don’t have good arguments, not at all. Gina is about to go to college at NC and she is extremely thoughtful and supports her positions with appeals to evidence.
I really don’t mean to pigeonhole a person by age. Older guys can be living in the wrong decade just as well, the game changes. Its really the more just understanding where someone is coming from. And for some of my more hardened opponents here I might have a different feeling about if I knew their frame of reference better.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Linas not fit on our club at all?
Sebastian Pruiti Twitter: Watching Game 2 of the Greek League Finals…Linas Kleiza just got a dunk and the PA system played a line from Roxanne from the Police Over 1 hour ago.
Open question.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
and I should note
that while the offensive player of the year in the Euroleague has signed an NBA contract, the defensive player of the year in the Euroleague, Viktor Khryapa, has not…and I believe it’s because he can’t get what he makes in Europe.
Who has his rights, Portland?
Who much would it cost to pay him in dollars? Curious.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
how many $$?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The Euro has been devalued this past year, relative to US Dollar.
I posted a Draft Express review about 1 month ago, that said that Khryapa was only earning about 2-2.5 million in US Dollar.
I can’t see why Nets couldn’t attract him for a 3-4 per year contract, if Nets were interested. I thought he was more of a Combo forward type, even if he is 6’9".
If Nets could get Both a true Big, like expiring Krstic + Khryapa, then all of Nets needs would be met, for less money than getting just Troy Murphy. However, they would have to commit to Khryapa long term. I just don’t trust relying the whole Center position on Lopez/Petro. Petro could serve as the bigger PF and Khryapa as the shooting PF, who stretches the defense. Then let Outlaw stick to the 3 position, as Avery would like. That would sure be a Deep team, that would allow Nets fans to finally look forward to the start of the season.
Maybe you should put up some story again, with a photo of Viktor. That should get the attention of Billy King and Dmitry.
One would think that if asked, Proky could pull some strings to help acquire Viktor. How could he say Nyet to the richest man in his country, who also has connections with his basketball team?
If Billy King asked for help to get Viktor, I would expect Proky to feel honored.
Here is the Draft Express story on Viktor Khryapa:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Viktor-Khryapa-3143/
They say he makes about 2.5 Euros (not dollars), but that converts to only $3.2 million since the Euro is now only $1.29 USD.
That's NET
The full quote: "2.5 million Euros net per year, which is at least the equivalent of the NBA’s mid-level exception"…meaning around $5.5 to $6 million.
Euroleague salaries are NET of taxes. Beyond the salary, they get housing allowances, a car, etc., which are not included in those figures.
It’s apples and oranges.
Ah.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Are taxes over 50% in Russia? I thought Midlevel is around $5.8 million?
Proky could make it up in different ways, like his family in Russia suddenly finding gold and silver bars – or the opposite if he doesn’t cooperate.
“Ve have vays to make you cooperate vith us”.
:)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They must have his rights, but the Tweet is from Greece. His salary does not show on their scale.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
NO NBA team holds his rights
he was waived by the Bulls in February 2008, the day before the deadline for Euroleague championship rosters. No buyout, just a waiver. He then flew back to Moscow.
CSKA then went on to win the Euroleague championship in May.
Yea, I guess he only played in 9 games up until that point in 07-08 season, so he had enough with NBA.
sorry, I missed your followup.
Kleiza is a Raptor
He signed offer sheet on 7/8/10 for an assumed $18,800,000 for 4 years, which the Nuggets who held his rights did not match.
TWILL...
is going to have a breakout year ………He will make the All-star team……..Actually , about four Nets will make the team b/c we will be undefeated by the All-Star break…….
I believe every word you say
It is my bible
Okay, please check out this possible lineup, with just a couple of affordable additions.
Lopez/Krstic/Petro
Favors/Viktor K/Hump/Petro/Krstic
Outlaw/DJames/TWill/Ross
CLee/Morrow/TWill
Harris/Farmar/TWill/Uzoh
The would be a 15 member team if Uzoh was kept (he could be dropped or traded later along with Ross)
Nets would be the best Big lineup in many years. It think it would be a playoff lineup and could still preserve $10 + million in cap space for the summer.
If the young players came through, that team could rival the Bucks.
oh, now we're going to bring Krstic back
sure, blow $5,543,116 of our cap space on a guy who has never fully recovered from this torn ACL, has limited lateral movement and who would barely play…
THIS...
No Thanx to Nads……And every line-up looks good ……..Every team has good players…….We just need to add that key ingredient…..It’s Chemistry 101 and hopefully Avery is one of those good teachers……
There is also the need for insurance against injuries. Good teams can survive month long injuries to key players.
Nets would be screwed if something happened to Lopez for just 1 month.
THAT....
I don’t think they would be screwed ….They would be quicker and smarter…..
So you don't think like nearly everyone else (before last night) that Lopez is the most valuable player on Nets?
So would Petro play 48 minutes? What other legitimate center do the Nets have? Zoubeck if he is retained? Opponents would walk all over him.
And what the heck does “This/That” mean? Who ever made up abusing the English language to be cute on the internet?
These
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
THE......
To Jerry25……It’s sad to say but Brook may be the most valuable player on the Nets as of now but I am waiting for younger players to break out ….TWILL…FAVORS… ?…..And I’d like to see Harris play up to his potential…….Most of all I’m hoping that Avery can build Chemistry and the whole team will look great……..As for “THIS”…..Well , I kept seeing Gina use it (I thought that it was very annoying also) so I asked her what it meant and she said that it means " I totally agree with what you are saying"…..So I decided to create “THAT” , which means " I totally disagree with what you are saying"….I figured , If you can’t beat em’ then join em’ (Same philosophy as LeBron)……
Oh , And my new one.....
“THONG”……….means…I believe THat is wrONG…….
Its called an insurance policy that Nets can afford. Once again, no one should take seriously that Nets will be getting a Superstar ahead of the trade deadline. However, it may be too late to make playoffs by then anyway.
Is Krstic better than Boone? Can he rebound better than Petro? Is his 3 yr. contract expiring? Has Krstic regressed since last year?
Just last year, Nets fans were wishing Nets had matched the Oklahoma offer, not to mention just get him for 1 year.
Krystic started 76 games for the mighty Thunder last year. Now they picked up Cole Aldrich, and the hope would be that Nets could get Krstic without giving back any players. Once again, getting someone like Krstic would free Petro to be a Big PF, as he has offered.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/nenad_krstic/career_stats.html
Point is there aren’t any good Big FA’s left so you have to look for expirings.
Maybe you can come up with a better pair, but it will taking something along the lines of a Krstic/Victor K combo to secure the playoffs, and allow Nets to re-evaluate in June.
Once again, Thorn Isn’t GM. Results/Wins should take priority over patience.
exactly
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 26, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather bring Josh Boone back instead of bothering with that.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 26, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
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I usually am on board with you Mr$$.
But on bad teams bad skills just make you MAD…lol
That being said I never EVER want to see Josh Boone at the free throw line in a Nets jersey. Besides they gave away his Number.
Speaking of #‘s I found it alarming that we are suppossed to be “All new” and all the New guys are wearing #’s from last years guys… #2 Jordan Farmar> Josh Boone , #21 Travis Outlaw>Bobby Simmons(ewwwwww) And #22 Anthony Morrow > Jarvis Hayes. Would have loved to see some different numbers… Maybe its just me.
The NETS are coming!
well
Josh is not a stud by any means but he can at least give you some type of work on the boards and he’s a body on defense. Just saying, we really don’t need to be blowing cap space. This is a year to be competitive and develop, we don’t need to break the bank
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 26, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
TWil reminds me a bit of Cousins...
Both could be all-star players but both have some issues that could stop them from reaching their potential.
Biggest diference is Cousins was blocked by our franchise player whereas Twil is blocked by Lee and Morrow.
by rundmc00 on Jul 25, 2010 8:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Just an innocent observation...
My…we are paranoid tonight ;-)
by rundmc00 on Jul 25, 2010 11:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TMac is anxious to try out for the Bulls today. Why is this significant?
Because the Bulls barely made the playoffs (they were terrible at times, losing 2x to Nets).
But by making the playoffs and competing hard in 1st round, they got good recognition, signed free agents as a result and now are a desired location.
Nets could put themselves in same situation by doing what is necessary to make the playoffs, and regaining the cap space for next June.
McGrady probably has 50 games left in him.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 26, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how some say we have a roster that is imbalanced. Not to me. I see we have two pgs, two sgs, two sfs, two pfs, and two centers. Then we have Terrence; a jack of all trades and a guy who has star written all over him. He can play three different positions and play them better than most. So to me, that is a very balanced lineup!
LETS GO NETS!
by JustinNJ on Jul 26, 2010 8:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
smart guy
even though we do need one more PF.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 26, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
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