Game Thread: USA Basketball Showcase, 10 p.m.
by NetsDaily on Jul 25, 2010 12:06 AM EDT
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Brook Lopez is hoping to make it to the next phase of training, and after that, the U.S. roster for the World Championship. He'll be one of two centers on the Blue team in Saturday night's intra-squad scrimmage and seems to be in direct competition with JaVale McGee (also on the Blue team) and Tyson Chandler (White team).
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Just glad they said
“The most skilled big man, Brook Lopez”
Yea I heard that is what Coach K is looking for
The do not necessarily need a scoring big man, but blocks and screens is what they want.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
For all the "bad passes comments"
Keep in mind, the Olympic & World Championship game is never about the big man. It’s a SF game.
Oh great
He isn’t going to look good if he is getting bad passes.
Consequences will never be the same.
See what I mean when I say Brook doesnt know where to be on D… thats TWICE he left his man to help when the guy didnt need help. Avery needs to attend to this asap.
are you talking about when tyson chandler got a dunk?
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
but jeff green moved to take brook’s guy, who would have taken the ball handler?
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Only after the fact…. I rewound it… brook was in contact and chandler slid and brook stayed with the ball, green tried to cover
allright i can’t figure outhow to rewind but i believe you.
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty
If Brook doesn’t make this team. I won’t be upset at all.
More offseason time to get back into shape and next summer work on his game.
ya this scrimmage is hilariously sloppy
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not representative of real international basketball
But then again, those games have never been dominated by a center. It’s all about the Lebron’s, Durant’s, Jordan’s, Carter’s, etc.
I agree with ya
what big men do “good” in the Olympics, it’s a fast break game until the last 4 games of the tourney, and even in the grind out games, that’s what you have you 2 guard and SF for
Are they playing four quarters?
Hopefully once Brook comes back in the passes he gets aren’t either gunned to him at 100 mph on the ground or hit his ankles. Crappy passes. I guess we’ll just have to face that this team wants shooters, shooters, shooters, and scrappy rebounding low-post players. Let him get into shape this summer. Not too discouraged if he doesn’t make it, but it would make me actually watch the games.
Devin Harris haters take notice
The entry pass into the post isn’t such an easy thing to do.
Even though Brook is a scorer
It depends all on who blocks shots better and gets the better screens done.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Al Jeff got traded to the Nugs; when did this happen? I must’ve been under a rock for like 2 days or something
I just realized
this is what listening to odd ball announcers gets you…confused
I thought it was the Jazz
But how odd is the story about Lorenzen Wright disappearing?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Call me a bandwagon fan
But I think Durant is everything the NBA needs to have the next “Jordan”. Even with the potential to become the guy people later on want “to be the next Durant”.
Do you think the Thunder were so upset and pissed off when they didn’t get the first pick in the draft?
I maintain that us getting the 3rd pick will be the luckiest thing that has happened to us since the Kenyon Martin draft.
I'm saying Favors is a "Dwight Howard"
And we’ll be looking back on this draft and laughing at the fact we were hoping for a player like Evan Turner.
Howard wasn't near Howard at this point either
Just sayin’
NO. He’s like D. Howard and Hakeem, explosive, power body. Fierce demeanor on the court. Chews up every rebound. Sends ever shot back in your face. Dunks drawing fouls with guys hanging all over him. How can you deny it. Favors is a BEAST!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
at age 19
Howard was exactly the same as Favors, same size (Howard grew and put on weight), averaged 12 and 10 in summer league, whereas Favors averaged 11 and 7.
Remember as well OKAFOR was rookie of the year, not Howard.
And Howard still doesn’t have the lefty/righty jump hook.
They are like unbelievable clones. I almost can’t tell them apart!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Ok so you've made your point
You don’t believe.
So in 2 years, I will remember to call you out on this board. Maybe you’ll be right, maybe you’ll be wrong.
But I’ll call you out.
I think he means that you could end up with a possible Mecha Star even without the first pick.
Durant was taken 2nd in 2007. And Greg Oden has been nowhere.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure. Crazy reasoning. Wade was a 5 pick. It means that anyone can be the best player in the league.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
there you go.
a number 5 pick is the second best at his position in the league. Anything can happen. Maybe we can get really lucky with both Favors AND Damien James.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Anything can happen. And when you are a fan ANYTHING = ALL THE BEST THINGS.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
And thats why I love the NBA.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Where 18 year olds get enshrined in the Hall of Fame before they have even played a game. Heck of a League.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha. Awesome.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a unique sport eh?
The only thing that rivals it in terms of individual player performance is hockey and soccer – two sports that have very little scoring involved.
It’s why basketball comes close to baseball as America’s past time.
Gotta love buzzer beaters.
Thats what gets me about basketball. The heartbeat of the game, when the pressure is on full force. Just an awesome activity.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only that
But our biggest gap for years has been at PF. If we had the first pick, we’d take Wall. While that would’ve been great for ticket sales, we have a proven All-Star PG already.
Second pick was a required Evan Turner. I’m not impressed yet, and I need to see more before I believe.
Third pick forced us to take Favors, who would’ve been the #1 pick a year ealier. He plays the exact position we need more than anything.
Just saying that maybe Proky’s luck turned out in full force, but we won’t realize it until later.
Only time will tell.
Not to mention Turner was a huge disappointment during the summer league.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It's true but
There have been plenty of summer league standouts who have done absolutely nothing in the league.
I’d love to know how many NBA standouts were duds in the summer league though…
NI?
I still think Turner is going to be awesome.
Just had an upsetting summer.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
summer league means nothing
theres been plenty of players who did nothing in sl and became all stars
Going for #28
Agreed.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like I'm watching a Knick intrasquad scrimmage.
THREE THREE TURNOVER THREE THREE THREE TURNOVER TURNOVER THREE THREE
I love the thunder (looks at picture of durant, westbrook, and harden autographed with a kiss) “sighhh”
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at their financials too
A team setup to win for a LONG time.
I know man! their gm put the franchise in an amazing position
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Durant and Westbrook are freakin beasts.
I heard they were after Matt Barnes. That would have been a really good pick up for them, but the Lakers got even better.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee used his speed to help set up the opportunities
by head_hunter on Jul 24, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well i think Mcgee’s man gambling and staying back helped it as well.
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee is on pace to score 188 points, grab 62 boards and block 71 shots in this game if he keeps going at this rate.
Steph Curry's three point shooting stroke reminds me
of Anthony Morrow’s. Looking forward to seeing some threes going THROUGH the net for once!
Jeebus.
3 after 3 after 3.
Curry could be blinded with a hand in his face and still sink 3 pointers like it is as easy as drinking water.
Consequences will never be the same.
McGee is going to get paid soon
Playing with Wall will make him a millionaire many times over. Lots of lob opportunities and easy baskets.
Good point.
Wall will make him look like he is a total stud.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee is Mikki Moore x10000
The kid has talent. I see him as one of those guys that take 3-4 years to finally come into his own. But like I suggested, with Wall breaking down defenses, he’s going to put up some nice fantasy league numbers. J. Kidd made millionaires of Mikki and others. Wall will do the same for his Wiz teammates.
by Doesthishurt on Jul 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Brook played about 5 minutes?
I don’t feel like he fits on this team. Apparently the low post scoring center is not what they want.
Not surprising though.
How can they not have the 2nd best center in the league on the team?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
All they want from big men
Is rebounding and block shots.
Those are not Brooke’s strong points.
International basketball is a different game.
Dwight Howard got most of his points off garbage buckets. His job was to rebound and play defense.
Billups had a perfect lob opportunity for McGee.
I thought he wasn’t selfish? He’s been playing like Starbury
Ya the passing is just absolutely awful
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
this looks like the all star game...
only nobody’s scoring… just kinda throwing it around and jumping a lot.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 24, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
Brook is so nervous for some reason
He cannot catch the ball
NO BROOK!!!!
You dropped a wide open pass which could’ve led to a monster dunk
Brook started out well. Hopefully he gets back to his earlier play.
Consequences will never be the same.
Brook is playing AWFUL
Sorry I am a huge fan but he works well with his team where he gets the ball and Devin works it. I say he gets cut
oh stop it. It has everything to do to his style, nothing to do with his talent.
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook’s a monster, what are you talking about? Haven’t you watched him play?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Woah.
let this take its time man… In 3 years Favors could the Dwight of PFs.
I wanted Cousins too, but lets wait up before we call anyone a bust.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
people are so reactionary on this site.
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew you were being sarcastic.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Im wasn’t really talking about you, cause i actually had trouble figuring you out, cause some of the things you were saying about cousins i have heard before seriosuly.
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That is what I was thinking originally too.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I was mainly mentioning KV, cause he is very very reactionary
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Could be!!!!
But there is a good chance he wont be either, like THabeet or Brown
by RandyOreens on Jul 24, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. A journey man that isn’t anything without Chris Paul is about to outplay the 2nd best center in the league.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
is...
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
wishing these guys would slow down and pass him the ball.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
When I play with guys who pass at 100 mph at the gym.
I freakin HATE that.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, no.
But I have played with knuckleheads who have knocked out guys teeth before because they think they are Stephen Strasburg or something.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst half of Brooks life
2 points
2 rebounds
like 5 turn overs
no doubt he gets cut unless he does something
he is looking like the worst C out there
5 turnovers? no, bad passes are counted for the passer
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If you compare McGee and Brook directly, you’ll notice how Brook is the type of player who waits for people to pass to him. Everyone will always blame a PG not being able to “get Brook the ball where he needs it” etc, but McGee goes and makes things happen.
I don’t think his brand works well in the NBA and especially in the Olympics.
I must admit that was a pretty terrible outing, despite some ridiculous passes.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you a Net fan????
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Ummmm
is that a serious question?
I mean, the whole blue squad has been sucky, the whole game has been, And even though Brook has not had much playing time that was 2 points and 2 boards can be very much improved upon. He has had block or two which is good, and his screens have turned out pretty well too.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit.
We need a sarcasm font or something. Ya just cant tell sometimes.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you did there.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yes the airball capped it off. But this isn’t brook’s style of play. Remember the Rookie sophomore game? brook was terrible, and that game was much like this scrimmage
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook Lopez is invisible.
Trade Lopez, Harris, Favors, 4 unprotected first-rounders and $100 million cash for Cousins.
Nah. Just throw Twill in, who basicallly is Shaq prime + MJ all in one body.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Have you tried ESPN Trade Machine in “advanced mode”?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Set context to
delusional Nets fan. When you do that, you can do the mythical TWill for LeBron and Miami Beach swap.
This.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry this trade cant go through
theres a limit on how much money you can end in a trade
Going for #28
lopez is horrible.
javale mcgee is much better then him.. mcgee is SO athletic and long.. if i were the wizards and the nets offered me lopez for mcgee, i’d laugh in there face.. lopez is such a bad player… he isn’t even top 25 in centers in the NBA.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
I agree
Brook has changed my opinion on him, I think after that sickness he is only going to down grade…He looked like a high school player tonight. I dont know about this season
by RandyOreens on Jul 24, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO (seriously)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
yes i agree
are we sure he doesn’t have something more serious than mono? He looks incredibly slow and weak.. And even less athletic than usual.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I like your log on name.
I heard you were trying to get back in the league.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Trade Brook now that hes worth something
People call hima star but we won 12 games so its obvious he cant take over. If we start to get good he wont be getting the ball as much.
face it he has to go
If I'm the Knicks and the Nets offered me Brook Lopez for Ronny Turiaf
I would laugh in their face. Lopez isn’t even a top 400,000 center in Russia yet alone the NBA.
Lmao
I’m happy to see Net fans kno so much about basketball smh
WE HAVE TO TRADE BROOK RIGHT NOW.
We need to trade him while his value is high, because by the trading deadline we probably couldn’t get much more than expiring journeyman for him.
sarcasm’d
I am really having trouble deciphering the joking comments from the overly reactionary comments. It’s hard to do over the web
Sparkle
this thread is infected with sarcasm…to the max
I know, and it makes it tough for me, i have always had trouble with sarcasm on the web.
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL I think he doesnt get all the sarcasm, but then again neither do I.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You must be five things if you want to be a Net fan:
1. Passionate.
2. Patient.
3. Somewhat optimistic.
4. Humorous.
5. Sarcastic.
4 and 5 go together.
And
6. Realize the inherent greatness of all Net players.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Trade Lopez for a
future (protected) 2nd round pick?
(sarcasm intended)
no we'd have to give up our first rounder
and cash for anyone to take him
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You know what. I dont want Proky to be owner. Someone call Fred Wilpon.
Consequences will never be the same.
Guys I think its time
Brook has to go, we have 2 great years with him and if we trade him for a nice Center or Veteran.
Brook after Mono seems like he has only got worse. Plus Averys style will be playing defense and having team ball. Ever since we got Brook we have been worse, everyone thought in the 2008-2009 season we would do well with Brook. But we got worse and giving it to Brook only got double teams on him. Which led to Devin being on the 3 point line chucking up bad 3s. After this game I can see that Brook on a team full of good players just doesnt cut it. He can never get a win. Whenever Brook entered the game the other team once again got the lead.
He gave up defensive rebounds.
Trade him now for someone and we will be a contendor.
No wonder coach K wants to cut him he is a true coach and we are just fans that defended our family member Brook.
Brook isnt an all star on a good team he isnt a starter….sorry guys
Yes. Trade Brook for
ONE MILLION DOLLARS
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
he looks like he lost all his skill, which he didn’t have much of in the first place.. He had a nice jump shot in his rookie year, he lost that this past season. He also dunked it HARD, and a lot in his rookie season.. he hardly dunked this past season. He is regressing.. I just don’t think he likes playing that much.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez is a horrible rebounder..
With his size he should be averaging at least 10 a game.. I doubt he averages 6 this season.. I predict 13 and 5 from lopez this year. He just isn’t very good, and he looks like he doesn’t even like playing basketball. At least swift had bball PASSION.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
Come on now. He is the heir apparent to the Best Center in the League throne. Everyone knows that. Who needs defense, or shot blocking, or rebounding from the center position. He is practically Kareem. I mean this guy was the BEST guy on the WORST team in the league. What better proof do you have than that.
These team USA guys don’t know that they are dealing with.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Brook Looks Slow and Stiff!!!
Not very good at all. The International game is different yes. But this is just bad right now. He looks thin and almost disinterested. If he keeps going like this he’s not making the team. He looks like he just doesnt belong. FRANCHISE guys belong on these teams…
The NETS are coming!
I actually saw speed out of brook of screens.
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG BROOK DIDNT START SECOND HALF
He is done horrible game, didnt prepare, thought it would be easy and lost his position to a wizard….WOW I AM DISGUSTED
he doesn' t care..
he is a pot head.. he doesn’t even like basketball.. trade him for his brother who plays with energy and passion.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Stro just call someone a "pot-head"
Pot, meet kettle.
Oh yeah.
Brook, Joakim Noah and Beasley meet each other at a Hooters every weekend for the summer, and then smoke weed at one of their houses.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
or it could be mono...
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
if he has mono
why would he be playing? he doesn’t have mono anymore. He just isn’t that good.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
um or he lost like 20 pounds
and is still recovering?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
if he lost 20 lbs.
it should make him more mobile. He looks a lot more nonathletic than usual. Don’t try to drop basketball knowledge on me girl, like you do everyone else. It won’t work.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
*Ponders whether to break sarcasm to display the stupidity just displayed by Stro*
Decides to let Gina handle it
let gina "handle it"
you simp. Gina talks a lot of crap on here. But she doesn’t know much. You simps like to make her feel good, thinking you’ll get some.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I still haven't come to the conclusion that "Gina" is in fact
Female. So I’m gonna go head and disagree with the above assessment.
Thats just a funny statement.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
...
um what. If he lost 20 pounds he would be weaker. The more mobile thing would only make sense if he was out of shape. If Dwight Howard dropped 20 pounds do you think he would be better? if that was the case why would players lift weights? he lost muscle not fat. Sicknesses like mono eat away at your muscle because your body goes to muscle first for energy because they contain glycogen. And that’s not basketball knowledge that’s just plain not being stupid.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Then why would they not keep him, given that they have ZERO centers on the team.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
exactly
KV. He would be a huge liability to the team in the euro game.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this
I said in here like a week ago he wouldn’t make it because he’s a post up guy and they want more mobile athletic centers. What exactly does that have to do with whether he is out of basketball shape because of mono?
And what does muscle mass have to do with athleticism. Howard’s size has nothing to do with his athleticism, he was athletic when he was a skinny high schooler.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
but what does that have to do with muscle mass?
you can be the most nonathletic person in the world and put on muscle.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
The point is, whether he had mono or not, the guy is a highly flawed center if he can’t make the team over Tyson Chandler and some dude nobody heard of who will be playing for Washington.
Defense and Rebounding are prime Center skills, and deeply needed against a Euro game.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
oh I don't disagree with that
but you can still be highly flawed and be a great player. I’m not claiming I expect him to lead us to a championship. But he could be a great robin to a superstar with the right pf next to him.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
He did not lose muscle.
sorry gina. He was never muscular. Dwight Howard has a totally different body than brook lopez + more athletic ability. You fail again.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm tradin all of the Nets
Plus front office for Durant. I love this guy
He is amazing. Head and shoulders over the rest on this court.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I would give my left nut for KD.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah it's like watching an nba player against college kids
it’s hard to believe he’s the same age as most of these guys.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I WANT TO VOMIT PLZ TELL ME THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING SARCASTIC CAPS LOCK IS ON!!!
PEOPLE ARE MAKING PREDICTIONS FOR NEXT SEASON BASED ON 8 MINUTES OF PLAYING TIME IN A CRAPPY SCRIMMAGE!!!
He is weak and still recovering from mono, has gotten no good passes, and doesn’t fit in with the style of this team.
HE IS GOING TO AVERAGE 18 and 8 AND HELP THE NETS FIGHT FOR A PLAYOFF SPOT NEXT SEASON RELAX!!!
It’s like Cano going 0-4 with 3 K’s in one exhibition game and people are predicting that he will hit no better than .207 during the season and we should trade him for a real second baseman like Luis Castillo.
GIVE ME A BREAK
No, we're being deadly serious when we talk about how Brook sucks so hard in a flipping scrimmage.
TRAID HIM.
He is being sarcastic.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
When TWilliAM said TRAID BROOK
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
When?
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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhhh
You said that already try again.
I’ll give you a hint: It rhimes with sigh…
Why are we doing this?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about you, but I'd trade...
Cano, Montero and fillers for Luis Castillo.
done
I will carry Castllo from Queens on my back
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
i will throw in Ollie
and Jeff Francoeur
hell you can have jerry
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
and Omar Minaya
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
And the Wilpons.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, while his value is high.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
On The Bubble: Tyreke Evans, G. If there is one area in which Team USA has an embarrassment of riches, it is at point guard with Evans, the 2010 NBA Rookie of the Year, Derrick Rose, the 2009 ROY, along with Chauncey Billups, Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook and Stephen Curry. A sore ankle kept Evans sidelined for practices Thursday and Friday, which was when the coaching staff focused hardest on what went down in the scrimmages. That absence has made Evans the No. 1 cut candidate, and it’ll take what amounts to an epic comeback for him to stick. Eric Gordon, G. There should be a place on the end of the bench in Turkey for a shooter, and Curry has impressed the staff most with his proficiency in that area. Plus, Curry is capable of moving over to shooting guard, and positional versatility is huge plus at all five spots. Gordon has drawn praise for his defense, but it’ll take a lights-out shooting night to get him to New York. ESPN.com
Of course there are almost no Centers on this team.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I am being serious we should trade Brook Lopez and Devin harris
For Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford
Id do it
i'd trade lopez and harris
for crawford and horford.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
lopez for horford straight up.. IF atlanta is stupid.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Give them Favors.
While you are at it.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOO. Favors is Twill in a 6’10" body. One day he will be a Twill!!!!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Maybe we should give them T will also, so we dont have to keep thinking about it.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook, T-Will, Favors and fillers
for McGee. Do it King.
What makes you think that's anything close to enough?
McGee is dominating the best players in the country!
What if the Nets throw in Yormarket...
and agree to an owner swap? They probably wouldn’t pull the trigger, but they would stop to think about it.
as a true yankee fan, i must say im sick of fellow "fans" calling in about how much the team sucks and needs to make trades to get better.
THEY HAVE THE BEST RECORD IN BASEBALL. I heard a trade for Dan Haren for Joba and Ivan nova? NEVER… Why not just…call up Nova? Yankee fans hear “Haren” and go crazy. WE DONT NEED HIM.
After watching Sergio
if they dont start winning games in Andy’s spot of the rotation, a move will need to be made
Sigh.
No wonder people can’t stand Yankees fans.
We’re fine — relax.
Am I not relaxed?
Please, please don’t try and use me as the cornerstone behind your “example of why people hate yankees fans” theory
you don't know me...
so don’t judge me. yet, go off of one statement, in a thread full of sarcastic banter left and right. I’m as die hard as they come, but then again, I don’t need to prove myself. if you’re “O.k.” with Mitre filling that spot over others with potentially better upside for the next 5 weeks, that’s your opinion. Im not cool with it
Ok, you hooked me.
I think Mitre should be given at least one more start before the Yankees deem him as unpitchable. Remember he was a sufficient stop-gap guy down the stretch last year.
It's a time like this
that I wished they had kept Gaudin. because this is when he came in and had a good run.
Plus I’m busting ya chops on the don’t know me thing. Don’t take that remotely serious.
I wasn't, I was trying to have a productive conversation.
You are aware that Gaudin is currently on the roster right Mr. Die Hard Yankee fan?
I kid, I kid. (But, seriously he’s in the bullpen)
kid you not
I was 2nd guessing myself, then I went to Yahoo, and confirmed it after I hit sent. Ironically enough, I looked at Chad’s last 5 games he pitched in; all games I’ve been stuck working 4-midnight in.
Half the relievers on the team I know from the box score this summer. Sad times; must go back to school now!
I agree that Mitre cannot start there,
but there are better options IN HOUSE.
Ivan Nova, Dustin Moseley (who pitched great in long relief today), even TIM REDDING (if you’ve been following him at Scranton) are all better options than Mitre.
Don’t even know why they’re keeping Mitre around.
I actually watched him pitch in relief in Scranton
his ERA is well over 5, and he introduced this wicked 50-60 mph eephus pitch to his repertroire. It was embarassing but exciting at the same time.
Hey, can we have Cano for Manny Acosta
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol Yankees are never satisfied
i learned that when I was 3
Lopez was dreadful in the first half
He played scared. It reminded me of how Jefferson played in the Olympics.
He was awful no wonder we cant win games
This isnt like the Nets Brook where you scream about not getting the ball, you need to make stuff happend. If you dont play well you wont start! PERIOD
by RandyOreens on Jul 24, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Did brook
cheat on your sister, by any chance?
No I am a good fan I critize the people I love when they do wrong
He played AWFUL!!
Now he lost his playing time to KEVIN LOVE AND MCGEE!!
by RandyOreens on Jul 24, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
very good. Very good mid range shooter as well. Very good at passing with excellent court vision.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Hate
That sounds good.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
They need to go with quick athletic bigs
to match the run&gun team they have. Those guards would never pass the ball to Brook. Why pass when they have open 30-footers?
brook was slow
and did nothing right. Why would they pass it to him?
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
*Tempted to make a Manute Bole joke, but refrains from doing so*
because it’s too soon.
Lmao I like brook alot glad we have him
But the guy always look goofy or lost, reminds me of Eli
Lol huge giant fan
so it was first guy I thought of
Jets season ticket holder, but still...
Great comparison.
I have a $800 bet the Giants don’t make the playoffs, so hopefully Eli continues to be an average quarterback, much to the dismay of Giants fans.
As a brother of yours and a fellow net fan
i have to say you lose this bet
Avg QB, by what standard, last season, despite their major lack of defense, Eli put up career numbers. Eli is top 10 home slice, and I say that as an unbiased Giants fan
I would say
no top WR he sent Steve smith to the probowl. No running game and gilbride smh
"an unbiased Giants fan"
Peyton
Brees
Brady
Big “She made the first move” Ben
Rivers
Rodgers
Palmer
Romo
McNabb
Favre
I'd call shennigans
on Palmer. I think Palmer should be the better player but he’s just been off since that knee injury.
And I’d probably say Jay Cutler should be in the discussion. He was awful last year but before that he was probably the best qb in the league under 25.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Disagree on Palmer, but agree on Culter
So add another one to the list. And I could make an argument for Schaub being on par with Eli, but Giants fans will overeact, so I’ll refrain from doing so.
Yeah I would agree about the argument for Schaub
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Are we talking...
A) Right now (relates to Favre)
b) Pure numbers before December (Romo)
because I’d easily take Romo and Palmer out quickly. They get you regular season wins early on, when games matter, they disappear. Even the ageless wonder, Mr. Favre, has a great compliment in a Top 5 RB to help him, but at this current stage of his career, I don’t want to put him above Eli, outside of having dead on better accuracy, and probably a higher completion percentage Eli was legit doing it on his own.
so basically
outside of being better at everything qbs re supposed to do? Eli was doing it on his own…and what exactly did he do? Nothing? they’re team fell apart when he had to do it on his own. because he’s not that good. When they were good it was because Eli was nothing more than an after thought in a team built on defense and running. They’re at their worst when he’s throwing the ball 500 times a season.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
scary to think that the years he went over 500 passing attempts, they made the playoffs, and then Super Bowl’d one of them.
Not to mention that his numbers are in the ballpark with Favre’s, especially given the fact that the team blew dong the 2nd half of the season.
Before the Saints game, and before they were rolling over team’s, anyone could have predicted that would be the speed bump, or the game that put them over the hump. And because they didn’t play anyone the first few weeks, they were far from battle tested; so it felt like the season was going down the drain after that week
um the year he threw 500 passing attempts
they went on a play-off run because of one man, Justin Tuck, and that insane defensive scheme no one could combat. He had a qb rating of 73.9 and almost a 1:1 td to interception ratio. He was AWFUL.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
He has gone over 500 attempts 4x
2/4 were playoff bound years. .500 isn’t shabby last I checked
um look at his actual numbers
football is a team sport more than anything. They went to the play-offs because they’ve had one of the best defensive lines and defenses in the league and a great running attack. He was literally just along for the ride.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Well I wouldn't go that far, but my statement still stands.
Eli manning is a slightly-above average QB.
God Giants fans are comical.
Eli had one playoff run. One. And without Cheddar Bob in Green Bay there is no way Eli even gets the SB. We all know who the real MVP of that superbowl was, it wasn’t Eli, it was the D-line. Eli put up 17 points up against a below-average defense.
he had one play-off run
and he wasn’t even good during most of that run. His entire “legacy” is based on a hail mary he threw that happened to work on a play that should have been blown dead because he was in the grasp.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
um do you watch football?
google it it’s called in the grasp. it’s an actual rule and frequently called. And eli was clearly in the grasp.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Umm I can assure you I watch more football then you do
Eli was able to get away no? If the refs think there is no way he can get off or he is being drove back that will be called. But what your saying… Not so much
NOBODY watches more football than Gina.
She’s a football watching machine. Picture in picture, Red Zone, the whole thing.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
If there is anyone I believe it is you KV
so Gina I apologize
Eli would not have all this hype if his last name was not Manning imo
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Most giants fans don't think he is the greatest so I dnt see the hype
But if you think he is average you don’t understand football. He directs the offense, one of the best in the 2 minute offense and is clutch. And again the OC is not the smartest
If you think he's better than average you don't
understand the definition of average. the only qbs who don’t do those things you just said are the well below average ones.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
The guy is putting up top 10 numbers
How would he not be considered top 10, or dare I say number 11?
um what top ten numbers
please show me which of his numbers are top ten?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Passing Yards – #10
Passing TD- Tied @ #8
Yds/Pass Completion- #5
Passing TD % – #6
Passing Yds/Game – #11
Not in the top 10 of:
-Most times sacked
-INT’s
yeah this year
we’ve been talking about most of his career. I’d agree he was a top ten qb this year, but this was pretty much the first year in a 6 year career he’s been better than average. And I wouldn’t say one year is enough for him to climb over guys who have been better consistently on a top ten list.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Ok so i see where we got mixed up
i was talking about this year. he was very average in his first couple of years. but i pointed out this year becuase the play calls were horrible and he had no running game and verrry verrry young recievers. Also he is not a long ball guy and puts up 4,000 thats impressive
so average QB's are clutch?
C’mon Gina your are shooting urself in the foot
no average qbs put up the same numbers
that Eli puts up in 2 minutes, whch also aren’t very good.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Gina Gina Gina
C’mon you cant be serious. Eli is a Clutch QB and one of the best in the 2 minute Drill there is no arguing that. im not talking about stats there
lol then what are you arguing?
your biased giants fan view of his play in 2 minutes?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
im sorry that went over my head
yo said he is average in 2 minute drill i said he is one of the best
if i was biased i wouldnt put him behind mcnabb and Romo
im just a guy who knows football
Lol how can you assure me you watch more football that I do?
Football is by far my favorite sport. I probably watch 100x more football than basketball. I have direct tv and superfan, so I literally watch EVERY GAME…well that’s a lie, I don’t watch teams like Oakland and some of the other west coast teams cause that would just be a waste of life.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I probably watch 100x more football than basketball.
That is like 8.200 games a year. How is that possible. Not even counting playoffs.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Actually my favorite poster here. A very good sports fan, almost always makes very good sense, and is even open to changing her mind if given a good argument with support.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Damn...
I thought I was your favorite poster.
On to the next one.
I thought you were Gina too!!
I actually thought everyone was Gina beside Jerry25 and Andres.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Hey, they're all great.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
lol i really don't watch all that much basketball anymore
i mostly just watch the nets now and sometimes the hawks/bobcats when they’re on. As I’ve gotten older I’ve just lost interest in basketball, and the nba especially, for a lot of reasons. A lot of the rule changes and stuff just kind of disgust me.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
and I know that might sound absurd
with the number of comments I post here, but truthfully if i divided the time I spent watching the major sports basketball would probably be closer to Nascar and hockey at this point than it would be too NFL/MLB. Though I am in the south so I probably watch more Nascar than most here.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Football is the greatest game ever
baseball second though c’mon Gina give the Nets some love
cant lie i only watch
Playoff hockey and playoff baseball
i have never watched a full game of regular season baseball
Thought we had something going there until you uttered the words "Nhaas-Caahr"
Crosses Gina off the list
Yeah I watch a lot more college ball, I can’t stand the crazt double standard when it comes to callingfouls and traveling and stuff
Since the face been revealed the game got real
yep thats pretty much the reason
I’ve stopped watching most non nets NBA games.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Just trying to figure out your defintion of average
What is average? Matt Hasselback is he average ?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I can assure because that's what I do I assure
It was my thing in highschool… And if you watch all of those games and still think Eli is average then you should try watching American football
I picture Gina
as the perfect woman with a comment like that
Eli is better def average that isn't even an argument
You guys have no idea unless you watch the giants. He may not be top 10 he’s 3rd best in the division. But did you guys know Steve smith before last year? Manninham? . He has a OC who refuses to us play action and had almost no help from the running game last year. 4,000 yard in our system is not average at all
Um I watch
and he was awful when Plaxico and Toomer.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Are we talking about the past or last year?
because rivers wasn’t so great his first sooo?
Ok honey try again
um rivers in his first year
was better than eli in his first 4
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
um what
I’m not a Giants or Jets fan. But if eli is top ten it says more about how horrible the qbs in the NFL as a whole are and less about how good he is. he is average.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
If Rivers was on the Giants they wold have 2 super bowls imo
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I'm a steelers fan
but I think Rivers is the best qb from that class. And I love Big Ben. I just think Rivers is so underrated.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Straight up.
Cause Brook would NEVER had been able to do that.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
did i say he couldn't?
I was talking about Kevin Love, not brook lopez.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I get your point.
But be honest, dont tell me only Kevin Love can do something like that.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So what's up
people ready to say Brook will flop out next year?? just from watching an exhibition game?
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 24, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
I AM SO ANGRY
I have high hopes for Brook but this game just proves he doesnt have what it takes to win. And we are “building around him?” If he cant cut it in a Team USA game with a bunch of nobodys he cant cut it on a winning team.
I am just suprised and a little angry. We will be worse
I think Brook just should get a MOHAWK!!
FAVORS TOO.
Maybe they will play tougher. I think Lopez could shoot the international 3 too.
The NETS are coming!
Honestly
Brook Lopez isn’t a franchise center.
He isn’t Yao Dwight or any of the top centers. He is similar to Chris Kaman and I think he will have a career like him. You won’t go far with him being your center piece.
He is a great cog in a winning system but he isn’t the center piece
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 24, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
I would look at how long Chris Kaman took to develop.
by Sparklespice on Jul 24, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
I like Earl Boykins.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Scratch that, misread your comment.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
His stats were pretty much identical to Kaman's this season
and it’s only his second year
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Hes isnt afranchise or a go to guy
You need a star on his team to carry him
by RandyOreens on Jul 24, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG HE SCORED!
But he needs now to play some defense
“they have a center in Brook Lopez.” he says!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I thought he was a point guard
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally. The solution! I knew he could do ANYTHING. Damn he is athletic.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I think we will win 82 games this season with him on the squad.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
TWill is so efficient, he broke the curve.
Because of him, the Nets project to win 90 games.
by TWilliAM on Jul 24, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard Petro has invented a new device called defense, the Nets are now projected to win 103 games.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
But if we trade the entire team for Chandler, the Nets will win 1,785 games.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Then start him at center.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea true
but Brook is great on this team.
I think the problem people have they see Lopez and expect the next best center where he could very well just be a good center and that’s it.
As someone said let’s not crown him the next this yet.
Let’s see him actually make some all star appearances that aren’t the rookie or sophomore game.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 24, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
Crap guys I totally forgot
just turned it on how isbrook playing??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
just got here. how's Brook doing?
And so said the old man!
lol. That's just crazy talk.
Who are those people?
And so said the old man!
lol. You can't be serious.
And so said the old man!
Best Day Evar
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Horrible
14 min or so
4 points
3 rebounds?
and like droped the ball 5 times he looked like Yi
by RandyOreens on Jul 24, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And nobody's passing him the ball.
Its like Favors at Georgia Tech out there.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Well he started the game
The rotation was
Brook
Love
Mcgee
Brook didnt start the game the second half he looked horrible and went last in the rotation. No Rust he is playing poorly he doesnt know how to play the Center position when they are giving him the ball.
by RandyOreens on Jul 24, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Just picture Favors in Summer League. Leave off the final game. And you’ve got it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
This thread is experiencing sarcasm overload
But a couple of guys I am pretty sure are serious.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
O I was going to say that would be like a nuclear over reaction
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Like literally though, since pretty much the begining, total Nuke of sarcasm.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well how many of them are there though? You could build a team around Brook IMO
Since the face been revealed the game got real
You could
you shouldn’t.
Kind of like how you can build a team around AI, around a guy like Kevin martin, around a guy like Granger, though I think Brook is better than Granger. You can be a GREAT player and still not be a player a team should build around if they want to win a championship.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yeah
a bad one.
Lopez isn’t a franchise player. Plain and simple.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 24, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He could be the third best player on a Championship team.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Yeah but my point is if you don’t have one of thoe players what should you do?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Well, there is the Gina path, which Prok won’t take.
The only other path is TRADE (for Paul, for instance).
Or get VERY lucky in the middle of the round in the draft.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
My perfect senario would be Paul to the Knicks and we get Melo I would rather have Melo then Paul imo. Cause Melo is going to the Knicks unles they get Paul and Okafor.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I'd rather have Paul I think
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yea but Okafor comes with him thats the part i don’t like
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Forget that. If Paul goes to Knicks, so will Melo.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
and that’s the way I’ve always felt about him.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 24, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And given his defense and rebounding, I’m not quite sure of that.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Heh
me neither to be honest, but I have hope.
And btw all you homers, this doesn’t mean I’m a hater or don’t like him. He’s a good player, but this is what he is.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jul 24, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook Just got there too apparently...
The sped they are playing at makes Brook look real S L O W
The NETS are coming!
what are people expecting from
Brook.
He isn’t Dwight or Amare.
he is a good player. Sometimes people expectations are to high
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 24, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
Judging from how loopy we all (as whole get to 1 bad game)
This season will be “Bash Brook,” as last season was bash Harris
Well that is because
Brook deserves it.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
"That looked like a Team USA zone."
That looked like nobody playing defense for the 1,000,000,000,000th time in this game.
Hilarious.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
very likely people will bash
Brook. People are expecting all star numbers and appearances.
People are expecting playoffs and 30 plus wins.
People should just accept who is and not who they want him to be.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 24, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
Time to turn off the TV.
Today’s game gives me the same feeling as Brook in the Sophomore-Rookie games.
Brook is just a tool to set a pick for people, and just run there and back.
NBA and USA guards and forwards are really selfish.
yeah
time to play NBA2k10 with Twill.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
i turn all the sliders up to 100 and score 70 with josh boone.. lol
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish real life was like that.
But in that universe, LeBron James is a god and it only takes him fifteen minutes to announce his decision because he controls space-time.
I am starting to feel Devin Harris is a much better PG then we know
He makes his team mates better, gives good looks, and can make a player look like athousand bucks. But in the long run it doesnt win games.
by RandyOreens on Jul 24, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
devin IS a good PG...
we were just spoiled by kidd’s play.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the Haircut.....
Who cut Brook’s Hair…Looks like he got in a fight witha a scissor and lost…..
Well at least it isnt Ron Artest.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 24, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
brook looked like
yi tonight.. dropping the ball, slow, dumb etc.
by Stromile Swift on Jul 24, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
So just because of this game Brook being a star belief is over??
Is this over reacting?? or is this the truth? One game??
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
Its that he is not a franchise player not that he isn’t a star.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Well that was my point before you said he is not a franchise player how many of them are there ?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Too few.
If you mean a “star” like he will make the Allstar team a few times in his career. Seems pretty likely. More more than that, not really sure.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I think there is a pyramid of talent in the NBA
Just have no clue what it looks like.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a player that captures one imgination, gets you locked in and loving the game. That is a star to me.
I think Brook can do that.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ive thought this through but Yes
After seeing this I just dont believe he can be a great player, ERIC GORDON did well. MCGEE scored more. Brook just either didnt care or wasn’t good. We won 12 games with Brook. I think Twill has the ability to be our star. Brook will be good no doubt but he isnt a franchise player.
by RandyOreens on Jul 25, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to say the sarcasm on this thread
Made a horrible game, and the fact that Brook was horrible, very watchable. Thank you.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Brook Lopez a star?
he is a great player but if anyone opinion changed thanks to this episode was fooling their self.
I always felt he was a good player but not a franchise or a future star. I see him more of a Chris Kaman player.
He will be good as the second or third option but the main piece no.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
they drafted a good player
at center which is hard.
Now if you trying to take my comments as a diss to brook they are not. No way did I say he was horrible or should be traded but at the same time.
My expectations are not unrealistically where I feel he will be battling with Dwight for best center in the league let alone the East.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions
Avery and Billy should
call coach K and ask him to cut Brook right now. Brook is wasting his time in that stupid system. Nobody pass the ball to him and he should box out so that somebody gets the rebound.
Funny thing is that people here degrading Brook based on this stupid game. Give me a break…..
Well its all about how we draft over the next few seasons...
Brook just doesn’t PLAY with that assertive aggression that is required for a team like this especially. I don’t think cousins is better. Simply because cousins may eat himself out of the league.
Hopefully Brook develops a streak and bulks up along with favors. If brook is going to be THIS slow i would feel better if he was more cut and way stronger. You generally don’t develop speed and quickness but he can get stronger smarter and more skilled. Enter Larry Krystkowiak. He could be the most important coach on he bench. He has the rep for being a really intense and edgey tough guy type. Maybe that rubs off on Lopez and Favors… That’s me just hoping for the best.
Hey I’m a NETS fan all we do is HOPE…..lol
The NETS are coming!
That could very well happen
but I think he will feel the wraith of many nets fans who have set expectations to high.
Because people will feel we are building around his strengths and when the team doesn’t make the playoffs people will blame Brook.
They will say oh he isn’t the next great center. He is a disappointment and etc etc.
what are people expecting??
Dwight Howard? come on the guy average 18. and 8.
What are you expecting Dwight or Amare numbers??
Give Brook a break.
This team is working with what they have.
People should have realistic expectations .
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
I think they expected him to show up on the court filled with second tier type Allstars.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
But, he's going to be playing with tier-one type allstars
Such as T-Will, Favors and Damion James.
Its kinda going to be a long year. At least Favors is SO young it won’t be disheartening. But a long year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I'll break sarcasm for a sec and try to induce productive conversation...
I disagree. I think the Nets will win at least 38 games this season.
I think that is highend. Way high end. Possible. But there are just too many moving parts in this thing, too many holes and question marks. Too many young guys on young guys. And Avery, I don’t know. He will give them passion, but not sure he knows how to fit all the pieces together in one year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
totally agree
too much to do this year to expect a 12 win team to win 38 games.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I am talking to a rational Net fan or not.
But 1/5 of the starting lineup is in DEEP do-do. (And Favors isn’t ready for quality minutes.)
Morrow’s offense but no defense has to be balanced against Lee’s all around game, this combined with the fact that Twill isn’t getting playing time so he is going to be griping (all the while he is dunking on everyone in practice and wondering why they won’t let him do it in a game).
Teams in the division have gotten better.
All these young guys are going to take a while to gell.
It remains to be seen if Outlaw can handle a lead offensive role.
And all the flexibility of the roster may lead to Avery experimenting too much to solve short term problems 2s playing 3, 3s playing 4, 2s playing 1, on and on. I recipe for chaos and not consistency, and consistency is what a team needs.
Its going to be a while I think, unless we get a PF or a serious upgrade in trade.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Define rational.
I think Harris will have a bounce-back season displaying much of the defensive potnetial that he showed in Dallas.
I think Lee is a good fit at the 2 for this team, hopefully he has improved his ability to create his own shot and his defense is above-average.
I think Outlaw will come into his own as a starter and score about 16 a game, while contributing on the other side of the floor.
I think Humphries will be a sufficient starter next to Brook for the first quarter of the season, until Favors becomes acclimated to the pro-game (there will be some growing pains for Favors, but there are for almost every rookie)
Brook will be cut from the USA team and will procede to gain back the weight he lost from his groupie cold and maybe put on a little weight that he didn’t have next year.
Off the bench I see Avery experimenting with Farmar and T-Will in the backcourt with Morrow at the 3 (an undersized SF I know) and James at the 4, with Favors occasionally at center.
I really think the coaching staff is going to help this team, and all I can say is “we’ll see”, but I would be surprised if this team doesn’t win more than 34 games.
Define rational.
Doesn’t assume every single thing is going to break for the better.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
KV with all do respect
why cant someone think everything is going to break well. You think the exact opposite so we all balance eachother off
Because it is NEVER that everything breaks only right. It breaks 50-50 in the long run. You just have to isolate the right 50 and build on it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Back at ya buddy
when does everything go wrong?
Basketball teams are about synergy, about the parts playing together long enough, with enough shared experience, under a strong system of play such that they amplify each other’s skills. They are about building trust.
There are RARE players whose greatness is such that they can just step on the court and make everyone better, but in the regular course teams are built slowly. Especially with young players, teams just do not just mesh. Even if one night somebody has a great game, and the next night someone else does. Its not about individual performances, its about coherence and togetherness.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
great point
this is a 12 win team. It’s very unlikely with the team we have and the improvements we made. we will see a huge jump in the wins.
but that is expected because this will be a long process.
Now we are trying to develop players and hoping to win some games along the way.
We are trying to form an identity create and chemistry.
that’s alot to ask for from a bunch of young players.
Especially with a PG who has been injur prone since 2007.
This will get better but not playoff or 30 plus wins better.
As I said before people will have to be patient with this team.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
identity and chemistry +1
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I think this is why we predict a 30+ season
because these parts can mesh. We have people to create people to actually make a shot this year a low post game in Brook. Pereimeter D all we need is that low post D
Low post D????
Think about it. Brook isn’t even going to make Team USA because he D and rebounding is so bad. And you top that off with a gaping hole at PF. Defense is the bedrock of good teams, and frontline defense and rebounding and shot blocking is the hidden core of that. This team has zero in that area. Just think. Stop hoping, and think.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I would like you to stop typing and READ
I said we need low post D BUDDY
I read it. But its like saying “All the Titanic needed was not to have a huge gaping hole in its bow”.
Yeah. That’s all it needed. But you have to wake up and realize that there is a HUGE hole in your boat.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Everyone know's
We have a problem at PF. Everyone on this site agree’s. But you cant dismiss the hiring of a real coach and players that were drafted or came in from free agency that are good defensive guys…Harris, LEE, outlaw are good defensive guys on the starting lineup
This is what I mean. Rational fan.
1/5 of the team’s starting lineup is NOTHING. Frontline Defense is NOTHING.
But we have a new coach. And some good other guys.
38 wins, maybe 40.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Lmao you hilarious
first of all i said 30-35 wins and if we thought the PF position was nothing we would be predicting 6th seed in the playoff’s… go to sleep man
so true
yes the team has added shooters. That won’t automatically lead to more wins in year one.
Avery is a good coach but this team still needs to address many other areas.
It will take time I say two or three years before we enter the playoffs.
I expect another lottery trip. Which is cool. I just hope people fans and players on the team are patient.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Off the bench I see Avery experimenting with Farmar and T-Will in the backcourt with Morrow at the 3 (an undersized SF I know) and James at the 4, with Favors occasionally at center.
This is where it is crazy. Favors at center??? Come on now. James at the 4? Twill at the point (Avery doesn’t even list him as 3rd on the PG depth chart). It is just this kind of destablizing stuff that will prevent the team from growing. I certainly hope Avery doesn’t do this stuff. Its not rotisserie basketball.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
???
1. Didn’t say T-Will was playing point
2. Favors is the same height Howard was when he entered the league and 8 pounds heavier
3. James can play the 4 if Avery decides to go small
4. We’ll agree to disagree
sorry, people have been talking about Twill at the point. Misread. If Twill is in the backcourt for any amount of time, Morrow and Lee are on the bench.
As far as Favors playing center, the guy hopefully doesn’t even play PF much this year. As Avery said, he is “purely in the developmental stage” now. He is a lamb on defense right now, I don’t really care how much Dwight weighed when he came into the league, he was an aggressive sob.
And James at the 4. Great go small. You can’t rebound, you can’t defend the post. Go small. Hopefully the team won’t get gimmicky. But maybe, because they are short handed. Not a recipe for consistency where guys know their roles.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
In this day and age of the NBA
You have to go small at some point against certain teams. You do realize that yea?
So what are you telling me. You are going to have James play PF against the Magic? That is your recipe for 38 wins?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Wow you really dont read do you?
No point of going on
I’m sorry, the idea of Favors playing Center this year are down right silly to my ear. I don’t care what he weighs.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
so true
you can’t compare Favors to a player like Dwight.
Dwight was a freak of nature. Rookie of the year and look where he is now. He was ready for the league once he came in.
Favors will take a year or two.
See this is what I mean. People are already comparing a kid who has played zero games to the best center in the league. expectations are too high. just let the kid be him because if he falls short of that comparison which is likely they will be disappointed and felt mislead.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
But Dwight and him weighed the same! Can’t you see it???
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
KV...
I’m imploying rationality, but you’re taking my statements out of context for the purpose of comical value, so let’s go back to unproductive conversation.
T-Will for MIP.
I don’t think it is rational to shrug off the lack of interior defense and the huge hole at PF. This are huge team problems. What can I say. Playing a stretch 4 isn’t going to solve them. They probably won’t be solved until next year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't need to be a flawless team to
win 38 games. We’re not speaking championship here. I’ll repeat myself for emphasis: all I can say is we’ll see.
Like I said. It is possible, but I think that is a very high end number. And I listed my reasons why.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
You obviously didn't read what I wrote closely so...
Agree to disagree.
naw I'm not speaking of you
I mean the people who are bring up dwight and favors. how dwight was when he came in the league.
How dwight was from the A. How Favors is from the A.
and keep comparing a rookie to the best center in the league.
lets wait when Favors actually steps on the court and see what he does.
I seen people say Favors will be better than Amare.
Amare averaged 20 plus and 8, rookie of the year and so much more.
Lets actually see him play one season before we predict he will be better than players who have been all stars, all nba team and rookie of the year.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think rational individuals make such outlandish statements
They do however, claim that he has the tools to perform at Stat’s level. On that front, I would have to agree.
oh yes
any player that enters this league has the the tools to play in the league.
Eddy Curry had the tools. Tyrus Thomas and others but sometimes things do not work out.
My thing is people might be upset and very disappointed if this kid is just a good hustle player instead of franchise type player.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What favor bashers dont get
is when we speakm highly of Favors we speak on potential. Favors has the Potential to be a defensive force like Dwight. no one saying he is Dwight. And please Amare’ comparisons are garbage i dot care what amare numbers are he plays no defense
And if you were rational you put also give him the potential to be like all the other guys who had this kind of potential:
Chris Wilcox, Stromile Swift, Nene and endless others.
He has the potential for both.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Once you say potential .
it is implied. if i was to say hes going to be then thats a diff story when i say potential that means hes not there yet and we dont know if hes goin to get there
So don’t just mention, or assume the best half of it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
I thought everyone knew why the word potential was used?
Because reasonably plans assume BOTH possibilities. You don’t assume each and every player on your team is going to have a career type or maximizing current potential year. Its down right delusional.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
you might not care
but his numbers and stats have led him to be successful in this league.
If you want to admit it or not Favors hopes to have half the success Amare has had in this league.
The thing is you don’t say a player will be better than a player who is proven.
Who has been rookie of the year, all star, all nba team and etc etc.
As for potential many players have enter the league with potential.
Let’s wait and see what he does before we say he is the next this and a future all star.
Now if he is putting up the numbers Amare and Dwight was putting up his rookie season I will agree but highly doubt that
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Sighs*
what dont you understand about me using the word potential? lol like really i dont get it is it that difficult
because you only talk about the positive potential.
You already have plans for him to be playing Center and PF on this team.
If you were reasonable you would be saying: Gotta make sure he doesn’t play too much, give him time to grow and get comfortable, he’s young.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I am sorry didnt know you were the Netsdaily Police
and please stop mixing me up with other people. I have never once said he is going to play center. i never once said start him. First of all i never once said he was going to be the reason we are much beter THIS year.
Why mention he negative when we know what will happen if he doesnt develop? on the other hand you never mention the positive so whats the diff?
You asked me to define RATIONAL when we began this discussion, and I did. I thought we were discussing things under that definition.
Why not give them 50 wins?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Too many crazy “N” anagrams. Now which of you two guys is rational?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The POINT of assuming the possibility of a negative development is to realize that it probably is not best for Favors to be playing tons of minutes this year. It RISKS the negative outcome.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
But i dont think anyone said to start him
or play him tons this year. i think you are trying to put words in our mouth to beter your arguement
I don’t know who you are of the two, but playing Favors at Center when he can’t even guard Summer League PFs yet is terrible for his growth. Plus we are paying a 7’0" dude to do that this year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
(i didnt say play him at center) but if another team plays small that would mean they do not have a actual center playing Center so playing Favors at center in that situation he would not be gaurding a center. Im just saying
So if the Lakers decide to sit Gasol and Bynum and play Artest at center, we could then play Favors at Center and have the height advantage. I see what you mean. Good plan.
:).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I said "experiment"
I didn’t say play him 20 minutes a game at center. Not everything is black and white.
Favors=Bust?
“Experiment” is the last thing a young team needs. A young team needs consistency, and players need to learn their roles and what is expected of them.
You don’t “experiment” with young guys.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Um...
I think that’s exactly what you do with young guys.
You don’t experiment with vets because they are already established and you can cause rifts amongst the team. You have to experiment with young players to help them find their niche.
You are completely missing what “team” means, and how to build chemistry and identity. This isn’t pickup basketball.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
40 wins here we come!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
KV
i gotta hand it to you. You know exaclty what you are doing when you are in a debate.
And by "you know exacly what you are doing when you are in a debate"
He means you utilize the straw man fallacy more than anyone I’ve ever seen.
Yes my friend
that is excactly what i was trying to say lol. Honestly couldnt of said it any better. I thank you
When people use strawmen for arguments there is not much else to do other than take strawmen for what they are, strawmen.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a Wizard of Oz reference.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t worry, its about a little girl, a lion with no Courage and a guy with no brain…
…no, not the starting frontline of the Nets, but close.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the Nets are auditioning for the PF position. I’m sure you can get a tryout.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
For the record, NBSAEFAWE (or whatever his name is) suggested 40 wins (while you were suggesting far less).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn I thought we had a connection. But, you went with the “or whatever his name is” blast — that hurts.
Sorry half the time I was talking to one of the more rational “N” persons, I was talking to you, and ended up attributing all kinds of craziness to a more reasonable, if somewhat too optimistic fellow.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
sure we have a connection
if I can keep track of which one of you is who.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that guy.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Dammit!!! you are bad with names lmao
i suggested 30-35 Smh
Rational means that you take the two possibilities, the ones you want to happen, and the ones you fear will happen, and you put them in relation to each other.
Irrational is that you take the ones you want to happen and you keep saying them over and over until you become disappointed, and then you make up excuses why the outcome came out the way it did, after the fact.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying you said he will better than Amare
I’m speaking on others.
I’m speaking on you saying don’t bring up Amare cause he doesn’t rebound or plays defense but at the same time he has had a very successful career in the NBA.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
oh i took it differently
i was just saying that wasnt a good comparison.. between favors and Amare i think 2 diff players
Dont mind him
he skips over the words until he see’s a players name
What it really is is this...
With every Team as a fan you want at least one guy you hang your hat on. The perverbial my guy is better than your guy thing. And for me personally I have been raving about Brook and saying how he was THAT dude. And after a 12 Win season and him looking slow and clumsy on a court full of stars I have to fall back off that. Evidently everyone else seemed to do ok with the speed of the game. EVEN McGhee. He actually looks decent and John Wall will make him a household name.
WALL, ARENAS, THORNTON, BLATCHE, MCGHEE. WILL BE A PLAYOFF TEAM if they stay healthy. They are well on their way and i’m envious. They actually match up very well with the HEAT and McGhee’s and Wall’s Athletisism will give them an advantage. Arenas can scoe with Wade and Thornton can score as well and will keep Lebron honest. Blatche is long enough and skilled enough to body Bosh. I’m not saying they are better. But they match up pretty well. Be nice if we could say the same…lol
The NETS are coming!
Oooooooooooooooooooooo
Rudy Gay David Lee?
So if the Nets doesn’t do well who are people going to blame. Farmar Morrow Twill or just accept this will be a long process.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
If the Nets "doesn't" do well
I’ll be taking my talents to Madison Square Garden…
I REALLY wanted RUDY
But he signed pretty much before anyone else. He was the first to just take it and stay home. Who can you blame for that? If Mayo and Gasol continue to grow will they be able to keep everyone? They just need a PF now because I am pretty convinced Zack is about to do time…
But YES… this is going to be a long process… And now more than ever I can’t see trading a T-Will type. I feel he is one of the ONLY nets who would have done OK on the floor with the stars today. I think Morrow and his shooting would have done well also. I hope we feature Morrow. Running him off screens and pick and pops or whatever to get him open ala Reggie Miller/Ray Allen/Michael Redd/Rip Hamilton. Let’s find out how good of a shooter he really is.
Brook Just maybe that Duncan unspectacular but productive type and you still build around those. But I don’t think Duncan would have “allowed” a 12 win season on his watch. When things get bad “Star guys” Say ok get on my back for a while guys I got this. And Brook just didn’t seem to do that.
The NETS are coming!
haahhaahahah Don't do well I mean
What are you expectations for the team though?
I mean I feel anything below 20 games falls below expectations.
any where 22-29 games is where I expect them.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 25, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
my over/under is 34 games
I would place a lot of money on the over. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Nets win 40+ games (seriously).
I also take the under...
To get the over…
Devin Harris needs to average 18ppg and 8apg
Brook needs to average a real 20ppg and 10rpg or better
Outlaw needs to average 17ppg and give us 7rpg
Favors Needs to give us 12ppg and 8rpg (sounds Easy but really not)
T-Will Needs to average 14 ppg 7rpg 5apg (TWill will NEED to Beat Lee out in camp for the starting 2 position)
If CLee Starts we need 15ppg from him and at least 38%3pt
Those are the Key Stats that I feel will give us better than 30 wins. And of course that’s only if we defend well.
The NETS are coming!
Impressed
i like your thinking. So im guessing you actually understand how better off we are on the bench and at the SF position and the coaching position?
sure
If a career backup and a rookie that hasn’t played a game in the nba yet at SF makes us better , I’ll agree ….. and if a collection of fired coaches that not many other teams wanted makes us better , then I’ll agree there too. I think they’ll be better , but not enough to win 34 games or more. Just about every team looks like they stayed the same or gotten better save for Toronto/Charlotte , so it’s not like these other teams are going to lay down because we have the great Avery Johnson and the amazing Travis Outlaw.
by strange-brew on Jul 25, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Better Than Jarvis Hayes and Bobby Simmons COmbo
I’m gonna go ahead and say YEAHHHH!!!!
Both guys were a combination of hurt slow and not really productive. Bobby ended up riding the bench into the sunset. That dude had 2 good seasons in his entire career and parlayed that into a deal. Jarvis just couldn’t stay on the floor.
The NETS are coming!
Maybe it's too early to predict wins and results..
We don’t even know if this is our final lineup or what.. But Brook needs to be cut so that he could get back to his old form and of course improve. Franchise center or not.. WE NEED HIM..
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
Box score says
Brook Lopez has 2 points 0 rebounds in 13 minutes?? Wow…
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jul 25, 2010 1:40 AM EDT reply actions
he's coming off of being stricken with mono, and it's a scrimmage
now because of a bad outing, he’s a stiff
The intelligence being shown today on NetsDaily is an all time low
Yep. Lopez is a real bust….excuse me while i roll my eyes
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by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd argue that KV and I
produced some of the most intelligent discussion in the history of ND.
Oh and by the way:
Favors=a real bust
Lopez=blueballs
MDB, you are missing the point. Don’ t know if you caught the game, but Net fans were hoping to see a representative of their franchise on the court, a glimmer of a franchise type player in the making among these second tier allstar type players, and instead they got a guy who was invisible, and being outplayed by people nobody had heard of or with very shallow NBA careers. Part of it was the style of play, part of it might have been the mono – but he seemed to have plenty of energy – but PART of it was that you could just tell that he isn’t that class of player. Not a franchise guy in the making. He’s not a stiff, he’s just not the next great Center in the league, that’s all.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
well said, kv
I really wanted brook to present himself as a franchise player in the making. For Brook to show these other players the Nets have players, too.
But all Brook showed tonight is…. Brook is the best player on a 12 Win team…
Seriously, guys, I’m really about to give up on the Nets… I’v given up on watching most NBA games, and my only interest as a basketball fan is the Nets, but I think this is nearing the end.
Okay step off the ledge.
It was a bad game for sure. But he really is a poor rebounder.
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by caseycheesecake on Jul 25, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get down on the team. Brook is not going to be a promise land guy, but the brand of basketball Avery preaches is Playoff basketball. There will be a lot of ball movement and defensive intensity. They lack a PF which is going to be a problem, but there is going to be some very good wing play. Morrow is going to be a real pleasure, and I think Farmar is going to surprise. Outlaw is going to have some crazy finishes and Favors is going to have some electric dunks that will really have us hoping for the future. And James is a player worth watching all year. The team is on the upswing for sure, and there is caproom for something special before the trading deadline.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
great, good luck with that
the Nets need real fans, not a bunch of people that get all kneejerky about Brook playing poorly in a scrimmage. You guys know damn well that the kid is coming off from being sick as a dog and from all accounts, has been looking sluggish even before this, but you ignore that and just carry on as if Lopez is fricking Brad Lohaus. You know that he is better than that, but carry on.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
More fans like Million Dollar Bill!!!! REAL fans!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Good take him out
Let him build up his strength again.
+1
I Agree with this…
He can be productive… Just Maybe not that dude unless someone happens to ignite that fire..
The NETS are coming!
Now do people realize why Nets need to use some of their cap for this year and get someone like Krstic and Troy Murphy?
Avery cannot rely on Lopez/Petro as only Bigs.
No star is coming to the Nets before the trade deadline. Bout time Avery/King and Nets fans realize that.
If Nets were fortunate to get expiring contracts with that money, only then would Nets have a chance this season.
No need to worry about this year my friend
Really why are we in panic mode?…either we are going to be an Ok team or we are going to be a bad team, We are not winning the champioinship this year or next year so just keep the cap hope something happens if not we turn to the draft and have that cap to sign our future guys like, Favors, james and maybe T-will and brook will be needing a contract 2
We aren't winning the championship any year.
Making the playoffs is what counts. Being a bad team is not an option for Avery/Proky.
Fan base could collapse even further, ahead of Brooklyn, if team doesn’t compete.
I think if Cousins was playing in lieu of Brook last night, he would have a better shot at making Team USA.
Cousins is faster and a much better rebounder than the Brook Lopez we just saw.
David Lee is much faster and a better rebounder than the Brook Lopez we just saw.
Even Krstic and Troy Murphy are faster and better rebounders than the Brook Lopez we just saw.
I think your not getting the point
Team Usa wants a Center basically to play D and rebound the ball. Cousins? well he really cant D up
now Cousins is better than Lopez
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by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
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