NetsDaily Off-Season Report #15
The Nets didn't sign anyone this week...although they apparently tried to. So it's been a bit slow, the pace of the news sustained only by rumors, reports and rankings. We're taking a long view this weekend, or at least trying to. We look at Avery Johnson's impressive record of developing young players in Dallas, cull the best post-shower workout tweets from several Nets' Twitter files, lay out the trade assets, list some possible "glue guys" for the bottom of the roster, wonder what happened to all those rumors of a Russian invasion, spotlight the Nets' forgotten man, and finally, suggest when you might want to book your own Gulfstream for that trip to London and the NBA's first overseas foray.
Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, relying on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who have slipped interesting stuff into larger stories and blogs...not to mention our own reporting.
Avery's Kindergarten
The Nets are likely to be the NBA's youngest team--Mikhail Prokhorov says so. So what's Avery Johnson's record with young players. If you look at what he did in his three years in Dallas, you'd have to say very good, turning one late first round pick into an All-Star, developing a lottery pick into a player one stop away from the All-Star Game, reclaiming two players other teams had given up on and giving several undrafted players their first chance, almost all of whom rewarded him with solid play...and are still in the NBA.
Here's our breakdown of what he did with young Mavericks.
In 2004-05, he took over from Don Nelson after serving a year and a half as an assistant. On the roster were two players with one year experience, Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels, and three rookies: Devin Harris, D.J. Mbenga and Pavel Podkolzin.
We all know the Devin Harris story--tough love leading to a solid relationship. But what's more instructive is the development job he did with Howard, the 29th pick in the 2003 draft, and Marquis Daniels, who went undrafted.
After a decent rookie year (8.6 ppg and 5.5 rpg) Howard took off under Johnson, averaged 16.4 ppg and 6.3 rpg over the next four years, making the All-Star game in 2007. Howard certainly had his issues in his later years in Dallas, including a rather famous birthday party that enraged Johnson and an infamous radio interview on the uses of cannabis that enraged David Stern. Still, there's no doubt he was critical to the Mavs' great runs those years.
Daniels, who played four years at Auburn, had a similar rookie season, playing in front of Howard til he got hurt. When Johnson took over, he played the two in tandem. Although injury prone (still is), the 6'6" swingman averaged 10 points off the bench for Dallas during Johnson's first two years.
Mbenga also had gone undrafted, but he's now in his seventh year in the NBA and is what he is, a third string center who can bang and block some shots. He also has two NBA championship rings. Podkolzin never developed in part because of severe health issues.
The next year, the Mavs had two new youngsters, one an undrafted rookie called up from the D-League and other a major reclamation project. Josh Powell was the D-Leaguer who was called up. Initially, he played limited minutes. Then, Howard and Keith Van Horn got hurt and he got more time (which is classic Johnson). Like Mbenga, he's had a serviceable NBA career as a result of he opportunity it got in Dallas and has a championship ring as well.
Johnson's reclamation job that year was getting DeSagana Diop to live up to his potential. Drafted at #8 by the Cavaliers, he was a disaster in Cleveland, booed mercilessly when he couldn't live up to the hype...and kept putting on weight. The Mavs took a chance on him and after some weight training and conditioning work, Diop developed nicely into a solid defender, doing some good work on Tim Duncan in the 2006 Western Conference Championship series. Mark Cuban dealt him to the Nets, then famously and foolishly signed him to the full MLE. Diop has never played as well as he did under Johnson.
In his last season with the Mavs, Johnson took on another reclamation project and again found an undrafted rookie who could give the Mavs' critical minutes.
Brandon Bass, a second rounder out of LSU, had played two years with the Hornets but was a big disappointment to the hometown team. scoring a total of 110 points in 50 games. After being dropped by New Orleans, Bass signed for the veterans minimum in Dallas and suddenly blossomed, averaging 8.5 ppg and 4.3 rpg...playing in all but four games...over his last two years in Dallas.
The undrafted rookie was Jose Juan Barea. Like his mentor, he went to a small school, Northeastern, was seen as too small for the NBA but had the drive to overcome all that. The 5'9" Barea, from Mayaguez, Puerto Rico, was the Mavs 12th man in Johnson's last season and then moved up the ladder...and still credits his first coach for his first break.
Johnson seems quite comfortable coaching a young team and the record shows he has reason to.
They Want You to Know They're Working Out
They work out, then they tweet. Work out, tweet, work out, tweet, repeat.
The Nets who have twitter accounts work out a lot. Take a look at these tweets over a 24-hour period late this week.
First, there's Terrence Williams: "Just had a 2 hour workout feels good to put that work in yessir".
Travis Outlaw feels the same after his workout: "Just got done working out. No shortcuts! Shortcuts lead to dead ends but hard work leads to great rewards! Just call me Mr. Hard Worker!"
Another new Net, Anthony Morrow, is less descriptive, but he reveals a specific goal, a method to his madness: "Another week of work done, I'm tryna be an all star in this league."
But our favorite is Kris Humphries, who understands the full meaning of off-season: "Got my new golf clubs, gonna get my game right."
No word from Johan Petro, but then he is French...and everyone knows they do nothing during August.
Trade Assets
It would appear that the Nets are pretty much done for the summer other than bringing in a veteran or two. Of course, if a great deal comes along, they'll be ready. Otherwise, they want to preserve cap space until the trade deadline.
Here's what they have in terms of assets should they be surprised by a big deal.
Cap Space: They have a payroll of 12 guys making $43,097,425. That's few hundred thousand less than the league minimum payroll but they don't have to reach that until the trade deadline. And that number doesn't count the two partially guaranteed deals to Brian Zoubek and Ben Uzoh.
With the cap at roughly $58.044 million, that gives the Nets exactly $14,947,575 still left to spend, second in the league to the Kings.
Expiring Contracts: They have two - Kris Humphries at $3.2 million and Quinton Ross at $1.14 million, the league minimum for veterans. That number could jump if they sign a veteran or if Zoubek and/or Uzoh stick. The Nets normally sign role players to one year league minimum deals with a team option for a second year.
Draft Picks: They have as many (10) over the next three years as any NBA team: four first rounders and six second rounders, broken up into one first and a second in 2011; two firsts and three seconds in 2012; and one and one in 2013. The 2012 horde sounds better than it is. The other first, besides the Nets' own, is the Warriors, protected 1-7, while the other seconds, besides the Nets own, are the Heat's (obtained in the Rafer Alston deal) and the Bulls' (obtained in the Chris Douglas-Roberts trade). Barring a cataclysmic series of events, those two are going to be the 55 to 60 range.
Trade Exception: Trade exceptions only come into play when a team goes over the cap and that is unlikely for the Nets this season. Still, they picked up a TE worth nearly $3 million in the Yi Jianlian for Quinton Ross trade. It expires June 30.
Glue Guys:
Both Billy King and Avery Johnson have said they are looking for veterans who could help the young Nets in the locker room, with Johnson specifically saying he would like to have a veteran point guard to go along with Devin Harris, Jordan Farmar and TWill.
Some possibilities:
--Eddie House, who played some PG in Boston, but is mainly a shooter...can't have too many of those. House has always been seen as a positive force in the locker room and does have a championship ring to show off. 32 years old.
--Jannero Pargo, who the Nets made a habit of pursuing every year in the mid-2000's. A good defender and quick. Turns 31 in September. Played in Russia two years ago.
--Chucky Atkins, who would dramatically increase the Nets average age. He's 36 but can still give a team some good minutes...and can shoot a bit as well.
--Anthony Johnson, who backed up Jason Kidd on the Nets two NBA finalist teams. Keeps hanging on. Likes playing with teams that win. Played for Avery Johnson in Dallas, but didn't last a full season there. He turns 36 in October.
--Earl Boykins, started his career in New Jersey. Can still play but like House more of a shooter than a playmarker. 34 years old. Can play good defense and shoot, handles the ball well, but he will be posted up repeatedly. Then, again, so was Avery Johnson.
--Chris Quinn, how could we forget him? There's been some indication that the the Nets might bring him back...although there's always been the presumption that he would return to the Heat. Dwyane Wade is a big fan of his locker room presence.
And our total longshot: Jon Robert Holden, who would be a 35-year-old rookie. What's his pedigree? A Bucknell graduate, Holden has been playing the point for CSKA Moscow for the last eight years. Prior to that, he played for teams in Latvia, Belgium and Greece. He holds a remarkable record: In his 11 years in Europe, his teams have won their country's national championship every year. He was also part of two Euroleague champions and won the FIBA Eurobasket championship for Russia in 2007 when his jumper bounced in with two second left. Holds dual citizenship in the US and Russia. He is a free agent too.
Whatever happened to the Russians?
Speaking of which...everyone expected that the Nets would have some interest in a Russian player. Putting aside the Andrei Kirilenko speculation, we thought we'd hear about some Net interest in one of three players: Viktor Khryapa, the 6'9" power forward who was Europe's Defensive Player of the Year; Alexei Shved, the 6'7" point guard known as "The Russian Rubio"; or Timofey Mozgov, the 7'1" center who AK-47 recommended as the next great Russian big man.
Well, we know what happened with Mozgov. Not on the Nets radar, said Rod Thorn after he signed with the Knicks. Shved too has signed recently, with CSKA Moscow...through 2013. He didn't want to be drafted, according to reports so he could have more leverage with NBA teams. Apparently not. As for Khryapa, there were reports that some NBA teams were interested in him, but since free agency, there's been nothing. He's reportedly vacationing.
Similarly, Andrei Vatutin appears to have taken himself out of the running for a job in the Nets front office. The 36-year-old president of CSKA Moscow and a favorite of Mikhail Prokhorov, has new responsibilities...as the David Stern of Russian basketball.
That Other Swingman
We all know about the jam at the 2 and the 3 spots, as Avery Johnson calls them, eschewing the terms, shooting guard and small forward. There's Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams and Travis Outlaw and Anthony Morrow and Damion James and even Jordan Farmar who can and no doubt will play some 2.
Did we leave anyone out?
Indeed we did. Quinton Ross is the Nets forgotten man this summer. He's 29, a throw-in in the Yi Jianlian salary dump, uh, trade of June 30. And yes, he averaged only 1.5 ppg and 0.9 rpg in limited minutes this year in Dallas and Washington.
But Ross is, as one pundit put it, "not the worst value you could have gotten for Yi." Why? because Quinton Ross plays defense and can hit the three too.
Here's what Basketball Prospectus wrote about his game last October.
"A defensive specialist is kind of like spinners on a car; they can add something to a quality model but when used on a clunker they just look ridiculous. Last year's Grizzlies were a Pinto, and Quinton Ross wasn't going to do anything to solve their problems. Ross is different from peers like Bruce Bowen in that he's not an especially physical player. Instead, Ross relies on his quick feet to stay in front of players. He's more effective against guards, though he has also successfully defended bigger forwards like Carmelo Anthony".
Also, he can hit the three, shooting 38.5% in the two years prior to this season when he got lost between Dallas and Washingon. Don't expect Avery Johnson to bury a defender.
Final Note
If you're looking to book flights early for the Nets trip to London, we're going to take a less than educated guess and predict it will take place in early January. Looking at the event schedule on the O2 Arena website, there's nothing scheduled, at least publicly for the first three weeks of January. Also, there's a gap in the event schedule during late March, but that might be too late. Again, we don't know. Word is that the Nets will play two games while overseas. We fully expect the other team will be one of the top teams in the league and wouldn't be surprised if it were the Bulls, but who outside the Nets, the other team--and the NBA--knows. They do have the highest profile British Olympic hopeful, Luol Deng, and remember, the O2 is the Olympic basketball venue in 2012.
Just sayin'.
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Great Read...
I would love to attend the Nets game in London. Hopefully the Nets sales staff will put together package when the games are announced so I don’t have to worry about flights and hotels. If this is the case I will definitely be there.
russian pf??
Kirilenko or khryapa. Nets have a move still to make
by LBJOSH on Jul 24, 2010 5:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
cant imagine either at this point
Khryapa will make more money in Europe than the Nets or any other team is likely to give him (or anyone else) at this point. We’re down to LLE type money or vets minimum.
with Johnson specifically saying he would like to have a veteran point guard to go along with Devin Harris, Jordan Farmar and TWill.
Does it really sound like Twill is a back up point for Avery?
Devin Harris: “Devin has the capability to be one of the top five to seven point guards in the NBA. We need to get him back to playing at a really high level at both ends of the floor.. and keep him on the floor. We got him on a serious weight training program. It’s a matter of getting in the weight room and take a licking and keep on ticking. We will see him again in August. It’s a mtter of him really building muscle. We need him to play upwards of 80 games. Devin is capable of being a first team all-Defensive team.”
Jordan Farmar: “Don’t call him a backup. Jordan is a guy who’s capable of starting, capable of pushing. He’s played in pressure situations before. We hope that that point guard tandem can be as good as any point guard tandem in the league.”
If they are looking for a back up I don’t get how Twill is seen as a point.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Sure. But just think about it. If Farmar and Harris are going to be as good as any point guard tandem in the league, AND they are thinking of a 3rd PG, what team in the world have you ever heard of that plays FOUR? Okay, the vet would be an emergency guy, but this would be the thinnest of beliefs that Twill is playing any substantial minutes at the 1.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because he said TWill is definitely not a 3, doesn't mean he won't play some 3 if Outlaw is playing PF and DJames doesn't earn 35 mpg PT.
And that is not even considering injuries or that TWill improves, in which case Avery has the right to take back everything he ever said about TWill.
People really shouldn’t be getting so obsessed about TWill and taking everything said so far as the Gospel.
TWill is not the problem. Last night we saw more evidence that “The Bigs” is going to be the problem which will have to be addressed via acquisition during the next 2 months.
Terrence Williams: “Terrence came and participated in our summer league process. It gave me a chance to see Terrence. I’m leaning to 1-2 or 2-1 with Terrence. He is not a 3 man. He has a pretty high basketball IQ. We’re trying to get him to where he is consistent at both ends of the floor.”
Was it the 17 shots a game in summer league, or the inability to get Favors involved that convinced Avery that he is a 1-2?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Avery on T-Will: "extremely, terrific ability to pass the basketball and see the floor"
“very athletic”
“made some strides on the defensive end”
“I have an idea how to best utilize him during the course of the game”
What part of that makes him a choice at PG????
Making “strides” at the defensive end means that he is disappointed with his defense, and Avery is a defensive coach, see:
We’re trying to get him to where he is consistent at both ends of the floor.
Being “very athletic” actually is not in the top 5 things you want from a PG.
As far as having an idea on how to use him, he has already said it won’t be at the 3. But clearly he sees Harris and Farmar as a duo at point.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He said that
about virtually every player in his Carrino interviews “will play much improved defense”.
He said that he is trying to get Lee to play better at the defensive end? I missed that.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
if you're going to post what Avery said then post it all
Don’t just highlight the quotes that benefit your point of view.
On defense: last year no one was tearing it up on that end of the floor. And as far as T-Will’s playing position and playing time, I’ll leave that up to Avery and his staff. We already know how having a novice at coach last year turned out.
In the end I just want to see all the players succeed and realize their full potential.
You posted some select quotes. Unfortunately those quote had nothing to do with playing point guard which was in question, but I guess that didn’t stop you.
Q: Do you think that Twill will play much point?
A; He’s made strides, he’s athletic, I think I know how to use him.
I’d consider that a no, especially since he views the OTHER two point guards as starter level guards.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery also praised
TWill’s “PRETTY HIGH BBIQ” and ability to pass the basketball and coutr vision. Definitely some assets he could use at the PG.
he later said, "definitely not a three"
I actually agree with him. 1 or 2 with control is a better position for TWill. When he played the 3 last year, he was awful.
Completely. So we are really left with a TWO.
If we read what he is saying clearly, he is not going to play 1 because the first two guys in the rotation are as good as any on the league (according to him). And he definitely is not a 3. We are left with a 2.
And it seems that being a 2 will depend on his defense and/or his outside shot, the two things that Lee and Morrow do well.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to suggest
that I know how Avery Johnson is going to use his players based on fragmentary quotes.
The key thing that Johnson has said in this regard is that the team has great versatility, which is a function of their athleticism. Harris can play off the ball, as can Farmar. TWill can play the point. James can play the 2 or the 3, Johnson has said. He said the same thing about Morrow. Hasn’t said much about Lee, but he was told at the end of the season to work on his ball-handling in the off-season. Ross has played both the 2 and the 3, and since he is a solid defender he’ll probably see more time than we currently think he will.
Petro says Johnson has suggested he can play some 4 as well as the 5. Outlaw can play the 3 or the 4, although Johnson has said he wants to limit his time at the 4. Favors, he thinks, can play some 5.
That leaves Lopez, Humphries and Zoubek, the latter two are pretty much limited to the 4 and the 5. No one wants Lopez to play the 4, but if Favors does play some 5, who knows.
The point is that the opposition, health issues, development issues will all affect the way Johnson mixes and matches. This isn’t a championship contender. It’s a developmental team and you want that experimentation.
Let me get this straight.
He says:
1. Harris and Farmar could be the best PG duo in the league.
2. He listed Uzoh as the third PG on the competition depth chart for camp.
And you imagine that either Harris or Farmar are now going to move over to the 2?
Twill “can” play the point, but Avery doesn’t list him in the competition ahead of Uzoh.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I talking about 1 position, and that position is point guard. Being athletic does not make you a point guard.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Avery plans on developing TWill at point guard
I think he has a lot of ability at that position, even if there is much growth needed. I think he could defend either position well and become an OJ Mayo type. That’s why the summer league soured me a bit on Twill because he didn’t look to interested in running a team, while Mayo was clearly working on his point skills.
His penetration skills were impressive created numerous open jump shots that were missed. If he was on the floor with the abundance of shooters that the Nets now have it would have made a difference. Still, I can’t see him getting many minutes there early, but I hope Avery can get him to play some point.
Also, if you listen closely to the conference call, when Avery is asked how we are going to get everyone their “touches”, considering that the team is so deep at the wings, Avery responds by saying that the point is not to get everyone touches, but only to come into camp very deep at each position for competition, so they can fight it out.
Then, to take an example, he brings up the point guard position. If indeed he was thinking of playing Twill at the point this would be a perfect time to put him in the mix, but he doesn’t. He says something like:
“At the point guard position we have Harris and Farmar and Uzoh coming in”
paraphrased
It seems pretty clear that Twill is not on the radar of the depth chart.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I should specify, of the point guard depth chart.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
TWill is a shooting guard who can't shoot and can't guard
which makes him the odd man out and expendable. His “athleticism” makes him good trait bait for GMs around the league who get taken in by that trait.
As for Avery’s expousing on each player’s supposed versatility, that just means it’s the summer, it’s a new team, and he’s still figuring out the rotation — not that ultimately he’s going to play Petro at the 4 and/or Farmar at the 2. Let’s not get silly.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
+1
Not to mention Brook at the 4 because Favors might be able to play the 5.
No one wants Lopez to play the 4, but if Favors does play some 5, who knows.
What is this, the Harlem Globetrotters?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He better be Don Nelson if he is going to be playing
Twill at the 1
James at the 2
Morrow at the 3
Outlaw at the 4
Favors at the 5
One hell of a Don Nelson lineup.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
If so, there would've been no reason to fire Nelson in favor of Johnson
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
LOL
at that making him the odd man out. How about his versatility? He is the ONLY net who can play the 3 perimeter positions. That makes him more likely to get more PT than other ONE DIMENSIONAL role players like Courtney Lee, who can play the 2 AND NOTHING but the 2. As Avery said, TWill being able to play multiple position gives him more options. TWill could see some action at the 1-2-3, that’s why he’ll get more PT than someone who can play just ONE position we have crowded. Not to mention TWill is a vastly superior player to any wing we have. This is getting so nonsensical is not even funny.
He is going to need a lot of work
If he is going to be a 2. He is a horrible shooter. I cannot recall a two that kicks his legs outward after he elevates to take a jump shot that has had an impact in this league.
I think he is either a 1 or a 3. A 3 not in the conventional sense. A point forward type that plays pick and roll in the half court. I think Morrow would help with that.
I can see, if the Nets are going to press and play the greyhound game that they will line up like this at times:
PG C. Lee (only on Defense)
SG Morrow
SF Williams
PF Outlaw
C Petro or Favors if he is ready…
That would be a team that could let Williams run the offense give him 3 options for shooters that would let him break down the lane. The question would be, would Favors be ready for the pick and roll. Today, no, tomorrow…lets hope! You could put Lopez with this team if you want to give up some tranistional scoring but improve your half court game.
I am not saying this is the best of the Net lineups. It’s a way to utilize T-Will. You could replace CLee with Harris if you want insurance on the floor in case other teams press Williams.
What about Josh Boone?
they could use a veteran big
by nothingbutthenets on Jul 24, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
daniels
went to Auburn and Howard went to wake, right?
yessir
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by nothingbutthenets on Jul 24, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Boone?
We need a 13th and 14th player, don’t we? A couple of guys to sit at the end of the bench in TALL MEN’S lime green suits? Josh could do that? Simmons could do that too. League minimum, non-guaranteed? It’s better than bagging groceries, like Sean WIlliams will be doing within six months.
Paul from Delray Beach
There is no shame in that!
Joel Freeland did that during the off-season in england!
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by nothingbutthenets on Jul 24, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Great read
Avery is a really good coach. He may be the most underrated coaching hire of the summer. Avery’s winning record is incredible and he can get players to fullfill their potential. The Nets will not roll over this year. The Nets will not come out flat in the 3rd quarter. The Nets will be a mentally and physically tough team. Avery was the Mavericks vocal leader and the team took on his persona. The Nets could definetly win 45 games
as I went through the rosters
I was surprised at what he got out of people…and how much less other coaches have gotten out of those same players since. Harris never reached the same level defensively although he did improve defensively. Bass, Diop, Howard all thrived under Johnson…and haven’t done much since. All those undrafted guys—Daniels, Powell, Mbenga, Barea—are still in the league.
is Bass realistically possible/desirable?
Is Orlando really utilizing him and might they not prefer to let his salary go .. ?
Victor Krypka may come cheaper than Bass, and is taller and would spread the defenses better than Bass.
However Victor isn’t that physical. Either way, if Nets want a PF like them, I would recommend they also get a Big like Krstic to backup Lopez and free Petro to also play some PF.
Bass has 3 years and 12 million left on his contract. He is kind of like Hump, but not as tall.
The draft picks only add up to 9, not 10
Says 2 in 2011, 5 in 2012, and 2 in 2013. Where is the 4th 1st round pick?
I wonder if Keyon Dooling was the "glue guy" that Avery was thinking about?
Keyon was then taken by the Bucks for 2 years at 2 million per year. Nets could have afforded him, if he was healthy, but then it would have hurt TWill.
If true, maybe Avery has punted with that idea and will instead get a Veteran BIG.
Harris – Farmar
Lee – Morrow
Outlaw – James
Hump – Favors
Lopez – Petro
- T.Will is a 2 , can play backup 1 if there’s an injury , can play the 3 if there’s injury or multiple injuries
- Ross can play the 2 or 3
It’s pretty clear they need depth at PF/C that can suit up every night. Boone for the minimum if all else fails.
Lets not forget that there will be injuries and TWill will get his PT at either 1, 2 AND 3, if he can improve as Avery is challenging TWill.
Someone might wish to figure out how many player-games were missed due to injury last year at the 1, 2, or 3 positions?
I suspect based on last year, that TWill could get 15-20 minutes a night for 70% of the games, based solely on injuries – and that assumes that 2×3 = 6 players are deemed to be better than TWill to begin with.
Nets will use TWill. He just needs to accept the Challenge that Avery has given him, and Work, Work, Work.
Avery knows TWill and is playing good psychology with him.
TWill wasn’t terrible at the 3 position at the end of the year. He didn’t even have a coach. Pleeeease.
Jerry25:
TWill wasn’t terrible at the 3 position at the end of the year. He didn’t even have a coach. Pleeeease.
Twill’s coach:
Avery Johnson:
“not a three, definitely not a three man”
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
TWILL WILL PLAY SOME AT THE 3 POSITION THIS YEAR - DO YOU WANT TO BET????
I already explained that Avery is playing motivational games with TWill.
Shannon Brown is one of the super athletes in the NBA, and the Lakers aren’t sure if they are going to sign him for 3rd string.
Gerald Green is one of the SUPER athletes in the NBA, and isn’t even in the NBA.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
How many triple doubles did Brown and Green combine for?
Or is a triple double not a good sign of skill in the NBA. Im sure TWill got that on pure athelticism.
TWill, as you may remember, had a 2nd triple double coming, before he was injured.
And TWill DOES have the range to be a good shooter (SG). He just has to improve on technique and selection.
Avery knows what he is doing. There are no secret messages. It is simple Avery motivational techniques.
TWill is being treated a little differently than other players by Avery, because he needs to be treated differently.
If Avery didn’t like TWill, he wouldn’t be spending so much time with him and fining him for being late.
TWill has repayed Avery’s concern from quotes in the article posted today.
Only if you capitalize all the letters in your post.
Oh, you explained that. I guess I must have missed where the great Jerry25 decodes Avery Johnson’s secret messages to his players and the fans.
In my book, especially considering the context of the discussion – did you listen to it – “not a three, definitely not a three man” isn’t a secret message. Its a genuine assessment.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Other secret messages to be decoded by Jerry25:
1. When Avery says that Favors has the body potential of Garnett, Malone and Amare he is really only trying to inspire Brook Lopez to hit the weight room.
2. When Avery says of Harris “we really need him to play as many games as he can” he is REALLY saying to Twill “I hope he misses as many games as possible, because I believe in you dude!”
3. When Avery says that James was the best rookie he saw in Summer League, this is a secret message to John Wall, “We’re coming after you!”
Many other secret messages to be uncoded. Stay tune.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
And, if anyone wants to pencil in injuries for Twill minutes, we also have to pencil in Twill’s possible injuries as well.
Indeed Harris has a history, but Avery doesn’t even list Twill as 3rd on the depth chart at PG.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 24, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
you are now at the point of obsession..
…with coming up with every reason, in your mind, to explain why you believe that T-Will will be stuck at the end of the bench
You have no idea what Avery has in mind, and the Nets staff have a far better opinion about what Williams can and cannot do than you do. Your games that you have been playing recently, trying to dole out minutes without factoring in injury and coach’s decision are pointless. But carry on.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is equally pointless to assume that everyone on the team is going to get injured, but Twill will not, just to give him some minutes. I DO know that Avery has failed to list him at even 3rd on the depth chart at PG (something he gives to Udoh). And I do know that Avery rather emphatically says he is not a “three man”. It pretty much makes it obvious that if he is going to get minutes its at the 2. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
And if it seems to be at a point of obsession. Yes, every time someone says something silly about Twill’s playing time at various positions on the floor, I will take it upon myself to correct them and bring them just a bit closer to reality. I frankly think it is crazy to assume that when Avery says that Twill is definitely not a three man, he secretly thinks he is a SF and is only trying to inspire him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you watch the game last night? Why are you still hopelessly obsessed with knocking TWill when it is at THE BIG spots where Avery needs to focus.
Honestly, I think if Avery played TWill at Center, in Lieu of the Brook we just saw, the Nets would do better.
If Avery watched the game last night, the last thing on his mind would be worrying about TWill.
Avery is probably turning over in his sleep, trying to figure out how to use that cap space to improve the team immediately.
Getting a Star to come to Nets before the trade deadline, should be out of the Nets mind. That should be the take home message.
A person made a comment about Twill, I responded. And that person was you. Why are you making comments about Twill if you watched the game last night, and the object when people respond to your comments?
This is what I responding to:
Lets not forget that there will be injuries and TWill will get his PT at either 1, 2 AND 3, if he can improve as Avery is challenging TWill.
written by you.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And I like the idea of Twill at Center. We could do a high post offense, run it right through him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hump must be feeling that Nets are stuck with giving him Big minutes, if not making him the starter.
Its not August yet, so if Petro is on vacation now, what will he be doing in August?
Lack of Desire is what worry’s me about Petro. Avery will have to light a BIG fire under Petro – Good Luck.
Seems from the article above that Avery is a pretty good fire starter...
He can get lots out of little. And this is about Avery’s coaching legacy. If he gets results here everyone and I MEAN EVERYONE will jump on the AVERY band Wagon.
The NETS are coming!
Good read, NI
Do you think they could consider Veal as a possible veteran glue guy? His named has been linked to the Nets. How about Etan Thomas?
Quinn
Didn’t demonstrate any real NBA skill last year. Basically, he struggles to dribble the ball past half court, needing to shield the defender with his body, turning his back to 1/2 the court, then he, virtually 100% of the time, gets to the 3 pt line area and hands it off to someone else to start the set.
It is like watching a college PG in an NBA system. I truly hope this is not an option.
Would rather take a chance to develop Uzoh than take back Quinn, besides being cheaper.
And Uzoh could be desired later on in a trade, which isn’t true for Quinn.
Uzoh is almost as old as Farmar
he isn’t going to pass Farmar. Developing a third string point guard? undrafted?
If the Nets sign Quinn, they will do it for his locker room presence, as noted.
Outlaw is Bad for Chemisty
What is this crap? I knew they shouldn’t have shelled out the years and cash for this guy he’ll kill the locker room. Calling himself Mr. Hard Worker. He’s trying to blow up the Derrick “Hard Work” nickname. There isn’t one player in the NBA who uses the term hard work more times in interview and he hands down deserves the nickname. We will hear more about this later.
Terrence's future is at the two
I don’t see why that’s so hard for some people to see.
it might be very possible that CLee
is third string at the 2 spot by mid-season. avery is going to let them prove it on the court. i would have to imagine he’s going to give TWill his fair shot to make a case
imagine something extremely witty here
Yes. Avery has made it known that he doesn’t really care about defense or outside shooting. He is going to give a 31% 3pt shooter, sometimes defender the job.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 25, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions

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