Could Roster Imbalance Send TWill Packing?
by Net Income on Jul 23, 2010 7:05 AM EDT
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Judging by the news this week, the Nets are still looking for a power forward to back up or fill in for Derrick Favors. They were willing to offer Luis Scola a front-loaded, five year $55 million deal, but Scola decided to accept a smaller package from the Rockets. At the other end of the pay scale, they were reportedly in the mix for 6'9" Laker back-up Josh Powell, who seems ready to take a vets minimum deal from the Hawks.
So once again, it's likely we'll be reading more about the value of Terrence Williams as a trade asset. As Gregory Hrinya of the Examiner writes, Terrence WIlliams is a man without a position in a crowded backcourt. Avery Johnson sees Williams as a "1 or a 2...definitely not a 3", limiting his versatility and minutes.
But would the Nets regret sending TWill packing? And can they live with Kris Humphries and Johan Petro holding down the fort until Favors "arrives"? It's probably the biggest roster question the Nets have left this summer.
- Terrence Williams too valuable for quick fix - Gregory Hrinya - Examiner
- At PF, Can the Nets Live with Kris Humphries? - Mark Ginocchio - Nets Are Scorching
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with T-Will's versatility
You make a place for him. He is too valuable to the team and its future to trade away for nothing. We need to wait and see what takes shape during training camp before we do anything stupid!
by aunt-B on Jul 23, 2010 7:19 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
exactly.
even if you have to stick him at point forward. Create mismatches.. it wont be the first time the league has seen a 66"ish sf that can distribute…perish the thought.
But the worse thing you can do is give him away to fill a temporary need.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jul 23, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Agreed we should wait until Dec. 15 or at the trading deadline before we do anything stupid with our roster.
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by inimeg on Jul 23, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
CLUELESS
Outside of a package for Chris Paul (not happening) it is unimaginable that the nets appear willing to part with Terrence Williams, one of the only true assets on the team! It is just maddening what has happened this off-season and yet there appears to be more bad moves yet to come.
relax bro
I’m with you on this one, but the trade talk is MERE SPECULATION.
The Nets would be absolutely stupid to trade him off for garbage. I’d rather take a chance on running a rotation of The Hump, Favors, and Petro instead of getting rid of this kid. You just don’t give away talent.
If he does what Avery wants of him, he will see the floor, period.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Tradinf Twill would be a bad move…agree with u isaac
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
If ever...
…save him for a mid-season trade. Let’s play some ball before we make that decision.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 23, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Isaac, So your saying Paul to Nets is not happening Why not?
Dont know if you have been on other sites or listening to the radio but reports are Hornets say Okafor needs to be part of the deal for Paul
What does that mean
IMO the nets and knicks are the only teams who can get both for young players and draft picks
If everyone thinks we cant get paul is crazy
I dont know why nobody thinks hes coming but if it because he didnt have the nets on his teams he would like to go to then you guys need to WAKE UP he doesnt have a notradeclause its where the hornets want him to go its not where he wants to go
IF the nets give a better offer then the knicks magic Mavs and Blazers then hes going to the nets like it or not
IN KING WE TRUST!!!
with okafor needed to be in the deal the magic mavs and blazers are out of it they dont have the cap space and the only way they do a trade with those teams is if those teams offer only expiring contracts because like my friend said to me hes a magic fan he said the magic can offer VC Nelson Bass and Gortat but the thing nobody gets is there trying to get rid of salary why would they want to add the same salary since the magic have to match the same salary, thats why to me the nets better not be stupid for not giving up everyone on the team except Lopez and the guys we signed
GET IT DONE BILLY
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Jul 23, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
the thing is will be worth it
he could walk away from us in two years then was it worth it???
Let dude go to the team he wants. Either way. If it happen now or two years from now he will be playing where he wants to.
Why give up to much just for him to walk away
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess your right....Lets trade for Okafor
Now that i think of it and i guess i wasnt thinking of it before i wrote that
Why trade Picks and Young players (favors Twill Lee James) for a Guy who is a stud but do you really think he would leave how do we know the team wont add another player with him and start winning gms?
Since were looking for a PF how About Okafor
I he has a big contract but favors isnt going to start so why not go after a guy who can Play defense and give u 15+ points and 9+ rebounds
If nobody wants Okafor then im going crazy because if Favors was going to start then ok but he isnt going to start because the nets are crazy for not starting him but thats for another time
Nets get:Okafor
Hornets get Humps and TPE or Cash
PG-Harris/Farmar
SG-Lee/Morrow/Twill
SF-Outlaw/James
PF-Okafor/Favors
C-Lopez/Petro
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Jul 23, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
rec's for aunt-b
The calls for trading him away are so kneejerk that they can’t even be taken seriously.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
His size is as average as it gets for NBA. Any good defensive player can deal with his size.
Didn’t know Twill is breaking speed and quickness records either, again, any defender at his position that doesn’t plain suck can guard him.
Talk to me about his bball IQ and passing skills when he stops turning the ball over, passing to jump and taking idiotic floaters.
T-Will has a wicked first step, you can't be serious.
you might need to reassess some things. i do agree about the idiotic floaters though.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Most defenders couldn’t deal with TWill’s first step last yr. Good to have opposing viewpoints, but you seem to try to look for new ways to denigrate TWill with each post I see you make.
Because with each post i read
Twill is turning more and more into some unguardable superstar manna from heaven.
He average 17/5/2 on better FG%
Just so you dont get the wrong idea btw, i think CDR is pure trash.
HAHAHA
Gotta love it. Everyone that doesn’t drink the cool aid is a Knicks fan. You should start a cult or something.
im from jersey, been a nets fan since i can remember, and in the past decade have seen my team have way more success than your team
and I also understand where the nets are going, unlike small minded knicks fans who make proclamations as rash as their owner makes bad contracts
The floater is the New Jumper haven't you heard???
Alot of he younger players are taking floaters from as far as 12 feet away. If they go in they go in. That’s like dissing Tim Duncan because he uses the glass or Kareem for taking hook shots..SMH
The NETS are coming!
LMAO, how in the world in that like dissing Duncan for taking bank shots.
You can continue this ridiculous love fest without me, i had enough laughs for now.
His size is average overall, but
his size is far superior at the PG which he can play
his strength is superior at PG and SG
As for his speed and game changing ability, would go with other player’s assessments who are actually on the floor having to contend with it:
David West(notes), who had 25 points, seven rebounds and six assists to lead New Orleans, noticed Williams in the game in which the Hornets allowed 40 fast-break points.
“They ran and they were too athletic on the wing, and out front we couldn’t guard them,” West said. “Williams, I think that’s what his name is, was too much. When he came in he turned the course of the game. He was a bad matchup for us and we were never able to get them under control.”
The game after the two overtimes Derrick Rose saying Twill wasn’t in the scouting report.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I guess you still think Twill is a PG...
Where his size is far superior but his quickness is useless and his brain is a disadvantage. Yeah, Twill at PG IS a match-up problem….FOR THE NETS.
Not a Full Time One No
But he can match-up as a PG on offense and on defense which does create mismatches
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know how to post links, but just watch the dunks on youtube, how many times did he blaze past guards drive through bigs
as he matures he could be the go to guy when the game is on the line
Thats ok, dunk on youtube isn't exactly my thing.
I prefer watching basketball.
he didnt play much until the end of the year, and his play and averages spoke for themselves, those dunks just show the ability and power he has over his defenders
no wrong equation
Band wagon, cool aid drinkers, small minded, with no sense of the game= knicks fan
IMO
We keep him for bein able to do that athletic pose… Just sayin
for the right offer...
trade him. when did the examiner become a legitimate news source?
in that article
he is not reporting ANYTHING. He’s giving his opinion on Dave D’s article. You have yet to find a writer not named Dave D who reports the Nets could trade TWill. Nice try.
and Dave D
actually wasn’t reporting anything other than the Nets receive more calls about TWill than any other player. He even said he doesn’t even know if the Nets would be interested in any of the guys he said we should trade TWill for. ’Nuff said.
and this would not be the first time
we have posted someone’s opinion. The fact that you disagree with it is not relevant.
Is this a joke?
So once again, it’s likely we’ll be reading more about the value of Terrence Williams as a trade asset.
The writer is echoing Dave D’s nonsensical article, and analyzing it, he actually says TWill should be part of the solution in a Nets uni… Again NO writer other than Dave D speculates about the Nets’ will to trade TWill.
Is this really news?
It looks like you’re wanting to make it seem as more information about TWill getting traded when it actually isn’t at all. The writer is just giving his opinion on Dave D’s article. Again, Dave D is the ONLY writer who has ever suggested the Nets could trade TWill and he provided no evidence nor source for that. Enough.
I find funny that you create a post for this (?) and never created one for this ESPN’s Chris Sheridan wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/newyork/nba/news/story?id=5383365
The acquisition of Morrow and the focus on the continued development of Terrence Williams would seem to make Courtney Lee nearly as expendable as Yi Jianlian was last month, when the Nets dumped him on the Wizards and got back Quenton Ross.
you didn't create a post
saying Sheridans says Lee is expendable. Yet you create a post for anything questioning TWill’s future with this team. it just gives me some thought.
This is a blog...
In slow times there is a need to spur conversation.
No big deal.
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 7:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
when Sheridan writes an article on TWIll
it will be posted as a news item on TWill…and again, I resent your implication.
The Examiner article states, quite clearly, that TWill shouldnt be traded, but you are so sensitive to this issue that you don’t even want any discussion that TWill could be traded.
I could care less about having another discussion on this
It has been discussed many times. I just find it funny that you create a post o this and didn’t do the same with what Sheridan said.
We should create a permanent post...
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by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's quite simple
we posted this because it is an entire article on TWill. You fail to see the difference between an article on a subject and a paragraph within an article within a much larger stream of stories.
You also fail to understand the larger point, that the entire context of Hrinya’s piece is that there have been recent articles on the possibility that TWill is on the trading block. He would not have written the article if there hadn’t been such articles…and the likelihood that there will be more.
Why do you talk in PLURAL?
Again, Dave D is the ONLY writer who has talked about it. The only one. Others, like Hrinya, just echo it and break it down. But not because they have been told by any source that this may actually happen. Not even Dave D backs up his statements with any source quote or reference to any source in his nonsensical article.
and more than once
as we have noted and posted.
I know you don’t want any discussion of this, but unfortunately it is being discussed.
I wouldnt trade him
Not yet at least. IMO, hes got more potential than any other 2/3 on our team. Of course if he never develops a J, hell never be as good as some think he will be. Of course its that potential why people are calling the Nets. Lee is a role player, Morrow is a role player- they are what they are (spot up shooters, in lees case a good defender as well). TWill has potential to be much more than that.
exactly
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry dudes....
Articles about this are only speculation due to the make up of the roster which makes sense to me. It certainly seems that Williams is focused on – I see that too. I also hope it does not go down that way unless it’s for really good talent where the Nets need it.
Perhaps Williams is mentioned by the writers and bloggers because for their purposes, Williams draws more attention. Lee getting traded does not seem to be as hot a topic. Why? Maybe because Lee is not considered as big of a prospect IMO.
Don’t get all angry about it and attack other posters – even if they don’t like Williams as much as you do. The people writing articles in papers and blogs and posters don’t make the trades anyway so it doesn’t matter. I’m with you guys on the Williams bandwagon. High hopes. He just has to improve on some things ASAP. But it is out of the fans control. Williams probay ha steh most to do with what happens.
As long as Avery is fair about it, which I believe he will be, because he wants results too, this competition thing is the best thing that could happen. Let Williams show that has can improve his shot selection and reduce his turnovers, and play d the way he can, and he can beat out Lee for minutes at the 2 or whatever.
Too much criticism of Netdaily lately...
…spelling, typos, the above BS. This should stop. Don’t “kill the messenger”. ND is not the the subject of interest here, the Nets are. If you don’t like what he posts, don’t read it. And whatever you do, don’t spell check it.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 23, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The Examiner and another Nets fan blog...
I think TWill is gonna be this season’s CDR for a certain somebody…
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 23, 2010 7:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Considering how worthless both CDR and Yi are
This is not the most flattering comparison for Twill.
yeah since T-Will is superior to both
but I’ve seen this garbage brewing for awhile and it makes me sick. He has had a target on his back since we shipped both Yi and CDR out of here.
Arguably the 3rd most talented player on the team and people want to send him out for pocket lint and a 3 day old stick of gum at the bottom of some GM’s pocket. It’s ridiculous and frankly the attitude towards this kid around here stinks.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
CDR Worthless?? TWill Superior??
Let’s talk after the season starts guys. Don’t think you’ll be cool enough to admit that CDR has geeat skills and will flourish with a level playing field (sans Kiki) but I’ll be smiling knowing that CDR’s performance will be indisputable.
Good luck TWill. Being traded might be the best thing for YOU. Maybe to a playoff team?
by CDRFORTHEWIN on Jul 23, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna go out on a limb here....
And Say that they won’t let him get away…..If they do (And like anybody cares) I may just pack it in with the Nets and the NBA…….As I grow older , I can use a bit more sleep instead of staying up late to watch the games…
Sheridan makes a lot of sense...
Lee could easily be the odd man out. Unfortunately, The problem is TWil and Harris didn’t play well together last year but hopefully Avery can figure something out.
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 7:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Actually the point is...
The Nets won 12 games last year, are accumulating assets and have no idea who will turn into a great player under Avery.
You should think of all the Nets players as assets and don’t trade anyone unless you end up with someone that would have even more value in a future trade.
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
clearly not true
that the Nets “have no idea who will turn into a great player”. That is precisely why these guys are paid millions of dollars.
can't the coaches figure it out?
It’s not like we still have Kiki and his on the job training as a coach. Plus we don’t know who will mesh well together in camp. There might be a lot of surprises and I just don’t want to see a hasty decision made that we might regret in the near future.
And TWill is the odd man out??
After his discussion with Thorn last season, he showed that he’s capable of putting up 25/5/5 and playing solid defense… and that was with Kiki as coach. With arguably one of the best coaching staffs in the league, he WILL reach that potential. He’s kept his nose clean and his mouth shut, yet he still gets all this negative press from certain people that plain don’t like him. Courtney Lee is a decent defender with an inconsistent jumper, yet nobody talks about him as dispensable.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 23, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Lee would be dispensible if he had more trade value
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
plus, if you believe Dave D and Kerber
Other teams are salivating at the thought of acquiring T-Will. What I don’t understand if he is so desirable then it would seem to reason that the Nets would really want to hang onto him and develop him to his full potential. Hey, but what do I know?
No one dislikes or hates him
but when the leading beat writer TWICE reports the Nets are taking calls on trading him, it becomes something to discuss, rather than ignore because some people don’t want it even mentioned as a possibility.
he doesn't even
back up what he says with any souce quote or reference to any sources, like he did when talking about not paying $10M to a PF or when he dissed the possibility of a Favors+Harris for Paul deal happening.
For God’s sake, he ADMITS he doesn’t even know if the Nets would be interested in the garbage he thinks we should deal TWill for.
"taking calls" does not mean "looking to trade him"
I’m sure they’re entertaining calls on any scenario, it doesn’t mean they themselves are shopping him around.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 23, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
huge difference
I would take calls on every player on the roster. Doesn’t mean I would trade Brook. Doesn’t mean King is dumb enough to trade Williams for a piece of ear wax
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It is worth discussing...
But it is also worth noting that the “leading beat writer” hasn’t broken a story in months and has aliented the franchise by writing negative stories about the owner.
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's funny how that story wasn't made into a seperate thread
but yet, we have two threads based on utter speculation about T-Will getting shipped out
I think all of the bases should be covered here. I frankly like both Courtney and Terrence and would prefer to keep both.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
that was my point
I find it funny, too. Net Income, take no offense dude, but it makes you seem more biased.
I also believe there’s no need to trade neither Lee nor TWill, as no one we added are better then them, and with TWill being able to play the 1-2-3, and Outlaw and James seeing some spot minutes at the 4, I firmly believe there will be enough PT for everybody…
to NI's defense...
….he has said more than once that he does not hate Williams, and he would prefer to keep them. I just think that it’s funny how the Lee story went unnoticed on here but the moment Dave D “speculates” on the Nets trading Williams, we’re led to believe that the story has legs.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
Towards the end of the year Harris and Twill did play well together because
Harris let Twill run the offense sometimes when Harris was on the court.
Twill is a Point Shooting Guard since Avery said he isnt a 3.
I like Harris playing off of the ball w/ T-Will
the problem with playing both of them for long stretches is that you need at least two shooters out there to balance the line up out. That’s why it’s best to start off with Harris/Lee/Outlaw/PF/Lopez and plug and play Williams. I also like the idea of Williams coming in with Morrow and Farmer. We have yet to see what Farmar can really do now that the restraints of the triangle have been lifted.
This is why when people come out of their mouths with this garbage about this kid being glued to the bench, I laugh. You can plug and play this kid in so many different line ups. This talk about the roster being imbalanced may be true but this is not a bad problem to have at all.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
we need playmakers
I read over at Nets Are Scorching that 95.7% opf Morrow’s threes came off temmates’ assists… TWill is the only Net other than Harris who can create for others.
Even more reason to have Williams on the floor with Morrow.
T-Will can drive and kick. He has to keep his head up though
I expect some growing pains this season because Avery will have to put the leash on the kid and discipline him. It will be for the better.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Find!
That is what I thought.
Morrow compliments this team. I dont see why people automatically think he is going to be an all around player. He is a shooter that was MUCH NEEDED. Remember he can also play spot 3 too. Not only does he fit with Harris and Twill, we cant forget the development of Lopez and Favors in the POST. Once LOPEZ and FAVORS get comfortable in the POST they will need to really develop their post passing.
Lets hope that AVERY sees what we see.
Remember when we had to use Eddie House...
…as the first PG off the bench? He was awful. Another reason to keep Twill, so Morrow can stay out on the arc making them pay for every double team. If he’s one-dimensional, but that dimension is he just scores three’s in bunches, I’ll take it!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 23, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Awful?? Eddie House was great.
Plenty of people wished he resigned him. Not sure what you’re talking about.
House was not great
He was injured and could not get it going.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
2nd leading scorer off the bench and lead the team in 3 point shooting.
Injured or not, House was great on this team.
Are You Sure You Watched The Nets Then?
Eddie did not shoot well, did not play defense like he did in Boston, was injured and the team had little success.
43% overall FG
17 mpg
56 games played
If he did have such a good season he would have signed for much more than what Boston gave him the next summer.
1 year $1.5m
If he was great the previous season he would have gotten much more on the market.
Sorry you are way off here.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Players like House never get big deals.
He shot 43% from 3, thats shooting it more then well.
Yes, They Do
Morrow was a steal at $4m as in not nearly as proven as House. Players get much better deals all the time and have for years.
1 year for $1.5m is barely above the veteran minimum.. or might have been it for a player his age.
Eddie had much better season than the one he had in NJ.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Morrow is a 24 year old joining his 2nd team
House was a journey man joining his 8th team at 29 years old, a contender at that.
Look at how much Matt Barnes got paid.
Barnes Turned Down
Millions more from Cleveland
And Toronto tried to get him 2 years $10m but could not work out in s&t.
Look at what other “marksmen” on contenders or elite team got:
Vujavic
Reddick
Korver
M.Miller
R.Bell
House was coming off an injury plagued and disappointing season.. for him and the Nets
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not talking about marksmen.
I’m talking about Journey men, undersized journey men at that. These guys bounce from team to team for a reason and its not cause they dont play good.
If they play well and shoot well and are such great additions to a team/bench, why wouldn’t they?
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent Insight!
Stats, production, performance be damned… let the cosmos dictate the contracts of players!
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Eddie House
Performance and stats never deserved a good contract? How about that Matt Barnes guy? Cavs were this year, he’s been in the league 6 years already. Earl Boykins would like to hear your explanation as well.
Earl Boykins?
So now you are looking for the smallest, biggest defensive liabilities of all time to compare Eddie House too?
Seems a bit of a reach.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No when talking about
An undersized Eddie House it makes more sense to compare him to Kyle Krover, Mike Miller and Raja Bell…
Because His Size is a Liability?
So while those guys can shoot and have size, Eddie only can shoot?
Maybe he wasn’t that great for us after all, and a reason our team did not do so well that season?
I mean 47 wins for a Kidd, Carter, RJ team with a great season from Eddie House, doesn’t seem right to me.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
House was NOT great on this team
I am not knocking house at all but he never got into the swing of things because he came into camp hurt and couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn.
You’re sitting here killing Williams but can say that House was great for the Nets with a straight face? Really sir?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
People Will Say Anthying
TO support their agenda.
I’m not a huge T.Will fan, but I’m least trying to be objective here
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Its all about Context.
And yes, when people resort to Kidd and Lebron comparisons and think its ok cause they say “lite” then yeah, people will say anything.
You're sitting here calling 43% 3 point shooting
“Couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn” with a straight face.
Williams has nothing to do with it, he’ll be lucky if he shoots 43% Fgs for his career. Noone would ever compare House to Kidd or Lebron or call him a superstar. If you wanna talk about how “great” Williams is as a bench player we can talk about that, i have no interest in discussing his future as an MVP as if he is some untouchable godsend.
I never said any of that nonsense about Willams, cut the crap.
And he shot 43% over 56 games, and in many of those games, he was not very good or effective. You can try to spin this any way you’d like but House was not great when he played here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
it TICKS me off to no end when people try to attribute stuff like that to me
I have repeatedly listed Williams’ pros and cons on here. I like Williams but I will gladly detail what he’s good at and where he needs work, unlike some folks who just hate the kid, I remain objective about him and every other player on this team. But don’t insinuate that i am calling him “Lebron-lite” or comparing him to Jason Kidd because that is BOGUS.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Awful as backup point guard.
Fine three-point shooter.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
My point was...
..the best use of Morrow, like House, is as a 3-pt specialist. When we used House to bring the ball up court, we were misusing him.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 23, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
When you are accumulating assets...
You don’t trade for a lesser asset. Hopefully, Rod taught King something.
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Obviously the coach knows a lot more than I do
but I disagree with his “definitely not a three” opinion of Williams
Avery is known to like big line-ups
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TWill plays bigger than his height. He is only 1.5 inches shorter that DJames according to Draft Express measurements, but jumps much heigher.
Of Course Avery will play TWill at the 3. I’m not calling Avery a liar, for him saying TWill isn’t a 3, but rather Avery is a “Motivator”.
Avery is challenging TWill. He doesn’t want TWill becoming comfortable as a point forward. Avery thinks TWill has more ability.
Just because Avery likes big line-ups, does that eliminate Carl Landry? I doubt it.
hahahahahah
now this is why I say the Nets have no direction.
Seriously does this team have no idea what they are doing?
Say one thing then do another. Just say you mess up. Stop selling people on BS.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 8:08 AM EDT reply actions
It's not the Nets selling BS
Look at the sources. This is as much of a non-story as the 250+ comments yesterday about us trading for CP3.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 23, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It is a non-story because it was just an opinion of Dave D., but it IS a good story for discussion and should be kept running for many days or until something breaks.
The Nets PF/backup center problem should remain a running story for comment.
What are u talking about?
no direction?…. U are talking like they already traded him
Spoken from the guy Who thinks the Knicks have it ALL together...
LOL. The Direction is Clear and the plan is simple. Stevie Wonder can see it but you can’t
The NETS are coming!
How can you say They have no direction?
This is Frank changing the SYSTEM every year.
Avery hasnt even told us what his system is WHICH I AM ALL FOR I dont want to know.
At LEAST HE HAS HIS OWN SYSTEM.
I hated when Frank would come out and say what they are doing. Then adapt someone elses SYSTEM. Then he ADVERTISES IT. Let the opposing teams figure it out dont advertise it so it appears on national articles.
we have no direction
because we are possibly discussing trading the talents of Terrence Williams who looked great and showed he can play in this league for what? A short term answer at the four.
Let me break this down. Why is a short term answer for the 4 so vital for a team that isn’t going to make the playoffs or going to win a championship.
That you trade away a player that could be something special for a player who is viewed as short term answer?
Now if we were a championship team I see it but not this team and not how it is right now. you don’t do that.
The Nets have the off season they have and tell us they are going to build young and become the Thunder of the East.
I laugh at the Thunder but I like the build young part. Wait a minute though why are you so hot and bother to find a starting four?
We aren’t competing for the playoffs or a chip?
Where is this team headed?
Look at the Thunder they have a plan and stuck to it.
Don’t talk about it be about it.
End of story.
I see double talk and I’m calling it out
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This is speculation, not fact
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
either one of them can kill this right now
come out and say this is BS. Now I understand under the right deal you would trade Twill but for a short term answer???
The Nets FO should say terrence is part of our team and we can get better at the four without having to trade him and Favors is our future.
end of story.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
why should they kill anything
Everything that the Nets have said about Williams has been positive. Dave D might have burned his bridges for all we know when he wrote that smear piece on Prokhorov and is Chris Broussard’ing it up now
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
i wonder..........
why Dave D is/was? so anti Proky. NI have any clue? Dave D is actually a very good beat writer, very sarcastic and funny, and knows his nets. Is he a homer and is mad about the move to NY? Wait a meeenit, does Dave D = Isaac?
He a communist. Hates capitalism.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 23, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
cold war era garbage i suppose
I don’t look at people funny if they are from Russia or automatically distrust them because of it.
I also have a thing for Russian women.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Mel hates everybody
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If people were to read the articles you posted, BOTH STRONGLY ADVOCATE KEEPING TWILL.
I would give up cap space and good draft picks before trading TWill
Hopefully, people like Dmitry read this, and he will veto any attempt by King to trade TWill.
This story is based on conjecture by the opinion of Dave D., who in the process did throw out some good possible pickups, but it doesn’t mean trading TWill as the only option.
All indications were that TWill is liked by Avery, or else he wouldn’t have paid so much attention to him lately.
It is more likely that Avery is Challenging TWill to become better at his weaknesses, before the start of the season.
Namely, shooting accuracy, intelligent passing that gets whole team involved and defense.
I don’t accept that Avery wouldn’t use TWill at SF. He just doesn’t want TWill to get comfortable and would prefer to challenge him to be better at SG and PG.
I would value TWill as much or more that say a #5 draft pick. Hence I would surely trade a future first round draft pick before trading TWill.
The Warriors pick is 1-7 protected, so I certain value TWill more than that pick.
Players will TWill’s athletic ability don’t come along every year. And he has produced during is limited playing time, although could be considered inconsistent. Mostly he needs teaching and discipline, something that Avery is working on at this time.
I see more evidence that Avery wants to keep TWill and develop him, than to trade him for a stopgap Big.
Avery WILL get a BIG before the season, but it doesn’t have to be someone that requires trading TWill to get.
After the Nets drafted Terrence
Chad Ford said that kid was a top 5 talent in that draft. He was right.
To clean out his locker for a trade
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As I said before
The Nets sell the whole building with youth to cover the fact they mess up and only made minor improvements.
Hire Billy King because he is the best candidate? No because he makes our coach comfortable. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so its not about winning games but making sure Avery is comfortable.
hahahahahahaha
okay now Kiki as horrible as he was able to find a way to make Terrence work. Now a supposedly superior coach can’t??
The Nets running around because they can’t find a PF. Well you could have overpaid for one. Heck you over paid for a bench player and look how Amare has all of sudden made the Knicks relevant again.
Wait even before then you could have drafted Cousins. yea who everyone said was NBA ready just in case your proven history of not signing super star players crapped out.
nawwwwwwwwwwwwww the Nets sell some we will be the Thunder of the East.
News Flash how many talent potential young players have they moved?? Oh that’s right they are developing their players.
So the Nets trade Terrence for what a two or three year solution?? Hahahaha. Why did you draft Favors?
Again no sense of direction for this squad.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 8:17 AM EDT reply actions
If only we had Cousins...
Woe is us.
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and traded for Jefferson
That would be an incredible frontcourt (sarcasm)
we have Favors
And if you read anything into Avery’s conference call, you get the impression that he might start Favors by mid season. He gave the example of KG in his rookies season and him starting by the 41 or 42 game.
Lmfaooo u keep embarassing your self way to go!
1st off Nets did not trade anyone Sokol where donu see that we are not developing?
2ndly cousins would if made us one of the worst defenses for the next 10 years and would have been an NBA ready Ben h player playing behind Brook
Avery is goin to have a little more control than usual so opinion on making himnfeel comfy is….
Kiki figured out how To use him? All Kiki did was give the kid minutes give me a break
Lmao classic
guy tries to criticize me saying " learn to grammar" lmao
No I’m not high I’m at work writing on an iPhone so I’m sorry if I have tons of mistakes but if u can argue any of my points I would like to hear it.
Knicks Fan Alert... Knicks Fan Alert
All you seem to do is come on here and trash the Nets and big up the Knicks…
Why don’t you talk about the Knicks direction and about how they have a logjam at SF(Gall,Chandler,Rudolph,Azibuke) And no true starting SG. But they are making moves. They gave Ray Felton 8M per and he is not even a top 15 PG. I can name backup PG’s I would rather have. Funny how Charlotte fought to keep headcase Tyrus Thomas and let Felton Walk…lol. So I guess your idea of relevancy is just that people discuss you now…lol. Lets see that show up in the win column.
The NETS are coming!
oh grow up
and pay attention are people talking about the Knicks or the Nets.
Are superstars toasting to join the Nets or Knicks.
Don’t lie to yourself.
I state what I see. I don’t live in wonderland.
I’m a nets fan but I live in reality. Grow up and stop being a homer
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
that's not what I'm saying
I’m saying the Nets are making seem like they are so desperate to get a starting PF if that was the case why the heck you draft favors or sat on your butt during free agency?
Why are you telling fans it will be a learning experience with this team give it time but you are looking for quick fixes.
Sorry but when I see double talk I call it out. Not about to drink this koolaid and ask for seconds.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions
Double talk is the sign of a good GM...
You ever listen to Cashman?
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Killa YOU ARE KILLING ME!!!
Even Lopez didnt start his first few games.
The only reason he started early is because BOONE GOT HURT!!!!
F"EN BOONE STARTED OVER HIM!!!!!! If boone didnt get hurt FRANK WOULDNT HAVE STARTED LOPEZ!!!!!
Favors will eventually START.
Stop being a DEBBIE DOWNER!!!!!!!
Read my whole statement then try to debate
This is not about Favors.
This about the direction of the Nets.
this isn’t some juvenile Cousins vs Favors.
This is a team saying one day we are rebuilding through youth. Okay cool. I’m down with that.
Then the next day it’s a team saying we need to trade a player skilled and with potential for a short term answer.
Look at the bigger picture.
I don’t give a crap about Favors starting or not. This is about where this team is headed to
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Killa,
NO one from MANAGEMENT has said they are TRADING ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!
by SIC One on Jul 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly...
…Killa is crucifying management based on what reporters are saying. We don’t know what the direction really is and why should we expect to have that info in mid-July with all new management in place only for a few weeks?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 23, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
ummmm you expecting me to have faith
in Billy king.
If this was Buford or someone else respected. I wouldn’t give it a second thought but with this guy proven history do you think he wouldn’t do a move like this?
I understand Twill is not untouchable at the same time how hard is it for the coach to reassure not only the fans but Twill who has been busting his butt that he isn’t going any where for a temporary four.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Hes not untouchable
What has he done to make him untouchable? I like Twill but 20 good games does not a career make. Hes got some good skills but also some question marks (jumper still not very good, wasnt in college either, so i wonder if it will ever be decent enough). Maturity- almost went to dleague last year- hes 23 not 18, I expect that behavior from an 18 year old not someone who went to college for 4 years.
That being said I wouldnt trade him unless it brought be a big time player in return….
does anyone read???
i said " I understand Twill is not untouchable." not. Jesus
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure that line up will see the floor at times
We are very deep. this is why these arguments are getting on my nerves.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
worrisome trend
It seems like a lot of players don’t want to play for the Nets. Scola turns down more money. CP3 doesn’t name the Nets as a team he’d want to play for. The big 3. And now Josh Powell takes the vet minimum to back up Josh Smith when he could compete to start for the Nets.
by mt57 on Jul 23, 2010 8:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Its ok because Chris Paul would not even be the best point guard in the Eastern conference. He would be like third best.
Huh?
What? If hes healthy theres only possibly 1 PG better than Paul in the entire NBA. He plays for Utah, in the West.
Yea a healthy Chris Paul
is a HOF Chris Paul
ahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahaha
no GM agrees with that.
Chris Paul as much as love Rondo’s game didn’t need three future hall of fame players for his game to expand.
Now do we need to list CP3 accomplishments and finishing second in MVP voting. Now you list a PG not name Nash Kidd who did that and we will talk.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
All Rondo Did was win a title
And was 5 points away from a second one guess that doesn’t matter… And Rondo still haas 2 knees. Knees seem to help PGs alot.
The NETS are coming!
Jennings is not there yet
Rondo can’t be there yet with out that shot… To many flaws. Did u see how much the lakers sagged on him? That hurt the celtics and clogged the paint
You've got to be kidding if you're saying they're better than the guy who can put up
22.8 ppg 5.5 rpg 11 apg 2.8 spg while shooting 50% from the field, 36% from three, and 87% from the free throw line
Dan, r u serious?
U cannot be serious. Rondo is a good player, but not in CP3 league. Brandon Jennings? And lets be real Derrick Rose is better than both of them.
Nah dude
CP is one of the best players in the league when healthy
Paul b4 injury
of course. With out a doubt. And to mention wall is crazy the kid did not even play a game yet
And then
how did Milwaukee get to the playoffs last year. Jennings is a real good player and I don’t think Milwaukee would trade him for Paul.
Idk if I can explain that to you
idk if ubunderstand that CP missed almost 40 games last yr and been the best if not top 3 PG in the whole league basically since he came into the league
I know this is a Twill thread
But Brandon Jennings over CP3? I guess, if CP3 only has 1 knee and is 50% the player he was before.
This debate is almost comical. CP3 is arguably the best PG in the NBA if healthy, the only debate should be his health. Other than that Rondo, Jennings arent even in the same league as him right now. Rose has a chance- a good chance, but hes not there yet either.
Maybe you are right
but I remember a game I saw last year where i was real impressed with Jennings. He was clearly the quickest player on the floor exploding to the rim and then drilling the threes. I do not recall who it was against. Maybe it was his best game of the year.
Jennings is good
but hes no CP3, not yet at least.
Its about the system...
New Orleans formulated their system around him. Rondo is a distributor and can get into the paint at will. CP3 is a better shooter. But I think Rondo is a better on ball defender and rebounder. CP3 picks up steals hanging in the passing lanes. That’s a product of scheme not superior defense.
The NETS are coming!
CP3 is a better player
Yes Rondo is probably a better on the ball defender and rebounder, but hes not a better passer, not a better shooter, and cant carry his team on his back. Hes not the player that CP3 is. Rondo during their championship was the 4th option on that team. You r looking at scheme, Im looking at ability. If CP3 was on this years Celtics team instead of Rondo they would have beat the Lakers. The Lakers dared Rondo to shoot and when he couldnt or wouldnt they sagged and really hurt the C’s lo post game. The only question is CP3’s health- nothing else. Trust me, if NO called Danny Ainge and said well trade CP3 for Rondo straight up, Rondo will be on the next flight to NO.
Paul is a real good player
but I do not think he is that much better than some of the other point guards in the league. I would root for him if he was with the Nets but he is no Kobe Bryant or Wade or Lebron.
CP3 top 10 NBA player
What else do u want? Yeah hes not Kobe, wade or Lebron, hes right behind them…not too bad if u ask me.
http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/magic-johnson-and-chris-paul/
As one can see, Chris Paul in 2008-09 compares favorably to Magic Johnson. And that is a point I would emphasize. Chris Paul is developing into one of the all-time great players in NBA history. It’s not a stretch to start thinking of him in terms of players like Magic, MJ, and Bird. Yes, Paul is that good.
I am skeptical of Paul
I think he is a great player, but I don’t think he will age well. Many point to the fact that his game relies on speed and quickness in order to be effective. An injury causes concern regarding how it will effect his game.
Even if he returns to pre-injury form you have to wonder how effective he will be as he undergoes the normal aging that an NBA player undergoes. Right now he is 25, which is young, but has been in the league for five years. That will be 27 and 7 at the end of his contract.
Paul is listed at 6 feet and is most likely shorter. As he loses his strength and quickness he will have trouble defending in the league because is is not particularly tall or strong and can only defend the point.
He will always have great court sense and vision, so he will be valuable to any NBA team, but not worth the length and money he will get in his contract. I would rather stick with Harris now and look somewhere else (Rubio) later.
Ok But eerrrumm...
I don’t recall any of them ever whining about thier supporting cast and wanting to go Play alongside their “friends”. All those guys had at least 10 GREAT years as well. Paul has had 2. So easy does it. Let’s see how that knee looks first. And also if he gets his wish and joins a “Superteam” he will have to fit in and the offense won’t be built around him.
The NETS are coming!
Just about every superstar at some point has complained either publicly or privately
Here is CP3 career numbers. Started at age 20, singlehandidly turned around Hornets franchise. Dont know what else u want:
Yr1- 16 pts, 8 ast, 2st
Yr2- 17 pts, 9 ast, 2st
Yr3- 21 pts, 12 ast, 3st
Yr4- 23 pts, 11 ast, 3st
Yr5- 19pts,11 ast, 2st
Also over 4 rbp as pt guard every yr since he entered the NBA. Only 25 years old.
Once again, the only question is how is his knee?If OK, then hes the best, or at worst 2nd best PG in the NBA. And what makes you think he will have to fit in and the offense wont be built around him? Hes a PG, who needs the ball in his hands to be successful- which means the offense will be going thru his hands in just about every offense except the triangle. Lets be real, if for some miracle we were able to get him, AJ would be doing cartwheels from here to Dallas and back about getting a player like this- a perennial All Star- a difference maker.
IF HE DOES GET TO NEW YORK IN THE SUPER TEAM
HE BECOMES OPTION#3 ON OFFENSE THOSE NUMBERS TAKE A DIVE. MELO WILL BE #1 AND STAT#2. IF HE GETS TO MIAMI WHICH HE REALLY WANTS TO DO AND THERE IS ALREADY A MIAMI PLAN TO RUN AT HIM IN 2012 DO YOU TAKE THE BALL AWAY FROM WADE AND LEBRON? NO YOU DON’T. IF HE PLAYED ON THE CELTICS WHERE RONDO IS HE WOULDN’T BE THE FOCUS EITHER.
So explain to me por favor how his rookie backup hopped into his offense and put up the same numbers? If its not about a system?
The NETS are coming!
Here’s a nice paragraph in Paul:
In terms of statistical measures, Paul is an incredibly efficient player. For what is essentially an “off” year for him due to injuries, Paul shot 49.3% from the field, 40.9% from three, and topped that off with a 58.4 TS% last year. His offensive game covers the entire floor, with adept three-point range aided by an insanely good floater that he can use up to 10-12 feet out. Just to illustrate this, the typical percentage for players on 10-12 foot shots is around the high 30s, as these usually tend to be contested and require a floater. For the ‘08-’09 season (used simply because the data for this has already been compiled), the top four players in this category were Paul (49.7%), Yao Ming (49.7%), Pau Gasol (48.8%), and Dirk Nowitzki (48.6%). So Paul shoots better, as a 6’0’’ point guard, on contested floaters than the 7’0’’ Gasol. If that doesn’t indicate that he’s devastating from every point on the floor, I’m not sure what else I can tell you.
And naturally, Paul is a point guard, so he’s obviously feeding the ball to other players when he’s not carving up defenses himself. Although not as flashy as Steve Nash or working within a dedicated screen-roll system that generates easy looks like Williams, Paul is a highly effective passer who rarely errs in the process. For the previous season, Paul put up a 36.6 assist ratio (percentage of his possessions that ended with an assist) as compared to a minuscule 8.5 turnover ratio (percentage of his possessions that ended with a turnover). This results in Paul’s putting up daily numbers that match and exceed a lot of the gaudy stats that LeBron posts night after night, but the unquestioned part about of it is how much he improves everyone around him, perhaps best seen in how he turned Tyson Chandler, an offensive liability, into a force off the pick-and-roll that usually ended with Chandler dunking the ball. As a final note on this, to begin the ‘09-’10 season, Paul shot 59.4% from the field and 65.5% from three before succumbing to injury. I’ll stop there.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
A better comparison to me than Magic is HoFer Isiah Thomas.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Agreed
Kid is great- if healthy. And wants out……we should have NO number on speed dial seeing what it takes- not saying we should do it, just saying make the call and see what it takes. If u can do it without Lopez and Favors I would trade anyone else on the roster for him, without thinking 2×. And even Favors I would consider….
Only 1 player in the finals better than CP3
His name is Kobe
Rondo- nope (cant shoot) could never carry a team on his back like CP3 has
Garnett- past his prime
Allen- past his prime
Gasol- good player, but a supporting cast type of player. Not someone you can build your team around, like Paul
This is becoming ridiculous
Name 2 players better than him in the finals? Plz do
We should have posted this.too, I guess
It’s tough to imagine why the Warriors have no interest in retaining a cheap, young commodity such as Morrow, but then again, we are talking about the Warriors. In New Jersey, Morrow joins a crowded perimeter with Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams on the wing, but it would make a lot of sense for the Nets to deal Williams to a team willing to stomach his erratic play.
From yesterday’s ESPN Insider write-up on winners and losers.
TWill was a rookie last year, without a coach. Pleeeese enough of this nonsense about erratic play.
TWILL IS A STUD AND YOU KNOW IT. HE SHOULDN’T BE TRADED WITHOUT BRINGING BACK A STAR.
I KNOW no such thing
because I don’t know what goes on inside the locker room. I do know that it’s been discussed, as do you.
Some people would prefer it not be discussed, but there is ample discussion of it by writers more in tune with management than I or anyone here is.
ample?
Dave D speculates, and a couple of writers who most Nets fans didn’t even know echo it and or break it down his article, and it becomes ample? Come on.
Dave D is not speculating
he has sources who may not want him to be specific, but you can be sure his article is not total speculation.
Hes still an unknown
Not a proven commodity. Hes not bringing back a star by himself- hes not considered a star.
at that time
and there just aren’t that many players who the Nets can take calls on.
Harris and Lopez appear to be close to untouchable, based on what King and Johnson have said. The four new guys cant be traded til December 15. Favors and James are not likely to be traded and calls for them can’t be taken seriously. Neither can be traded for a month, by the way.
So that leaves who? Humphries, Lee and Williams…and Quinton Ross, of course.
There u have it ppl!
The man has admitted it
I didn't even know
the guy who wrote that until I read his article about overpays and steals. And it’s just one man’s opinion, like Hrinya’s. Not reporting anything.
That is why we should not trade him
While many Nets fans love him for giving hope at the end of disheartening season for the fan base. If you step back and take an objective look at Twill, there are still many questions about his game. He is not a great passer for a point guard, he has great vision, but he looks to score first. He defensive play is inconsistent, as is his shot. He also has yet to prove that he can play off the ball.
I would think that many GMs around the league see that Twill is supremely talented, but is 23 years old and still very raw. His obvious lack of maturity raises many red flags. As a fan you see the upside. You look at the list of deficiencies and say he can learn that – and he can. There may be a few GMs or coaches who look at him and say, “I can turn him into a player”. He is a" beauty in the eye of the beholder" player and GMs are not going to overpay right now.
Especially when if the Nets trade him now it looks like Avery thought he didn’t have what it take to improve in his system. It looks even worse if they give up on him but are taking on Petro, Favors, and Outlaw in one offseason. Three other players who carry obvious risks to different extents.
I would like them to hold on to Twill – for now. It’s ok to put him out there and “listen for offers” so you get an idea of what team “see beauty in their eyes”. I want him to be included in a deal for Rubio, not sure what Kahn would think of him. Maybe next year he drafts and trades for shooting guards.
He is a second year player
of course he is flawed. That doesn’t change the fact that he is very talenetd and can become a solid pro under the right coaching and if he’s willing to be coached.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
talented
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He had four years of college
and I’m not saying I can’t see him realizing his potential. He has shown a great deal of immaturity, so there are questions. I don’t necessarily think that it’s coaching that will change him, I think it’s TWill. He has to make the commitment.
agreed, there are questions
but all 2nd year players will have questions and as far as maturity goes, he’s also 23 years old. You have to be patient.
and yes. T-Will is the only person that can stop T-Will from getting to where he needs to be.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Speculation, again
Net Income, you were asked TWO DAYS ago to provide sources that back up or lend credibility to Dave D’s speculation that suggested trading T-Will for GARBAGE.
You haven’t yet and probably won’t. Vague responses don’t count either.
Everyone’s play was erratic last year. I see what’s going on here, and it’s getting pathetic.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Please after all this LEBRON watch BS.
I dont think these guys whether Nets beat writers, ESPN analysis, or OLD school NBA experts have any clue on what they are doing, saying and writing.
They are just like YOU AND I give opinions.
THAT IS IT. Until they are GIVEN a BONE and that clearly doesnt MEAN jack either.
If we are going to make the Dave D. story a topic for discussion, then why not a separate topic for some the players he mentioned.
In particular, I have been advocating getting Troy Murphy from Indiana. He was a 15-10 guy last year and is a proven starter who just turned 30. Indiana may be ready to develop its young players like Tyler Hansbrough and could be interested in some of Nets draft picks. They might want to unload Murphy’s 12 million expiring salary at this time, rather than lose him to free agency for nothing.
Nets are team best able to absorb Murphy’s 12 million contract and give back good draft picks.
Here is what Dave D. said about Murphy :
“Troy Murphy’s 15-10 routine will help them over the next 82 games, they’ll regret taking on that 12 million salary if somebody better comes along”
IMO, it is unlikely that somebody more suitable that Murphy would come along. He is a stretch 4, provides offense and rebounding, and thus would complement Favors as well as Brook. He could play some Center too.
And if it worked out, Murphy could be re-signed for a reasonable contract, making him much cheaper than Scola would have been.
you're always free
to do that within this thread.
Personally, I like Ilyasova, who is now excess in Milwaukee, 23 years old, and makes $2.3 million.
Murphy is slow and wouldnt fit in with the Nets plan and they are not saving their cap space for someone who is not a superstar.
agreed
Lee has more value than that. Remember hes 2 years removed from being a starter in the NBA finals- and I used to live in Orlando, they missed his toughness and dee last year. He has no fear.
Lee is a very good player
who can be part of a championship team as a role player. This is a kid that Orlando depended on quite a bit on their run to the finals, as a rookie. Hes a very good 3 pt shooter, athletic, plays good dee and is tough (as evidenced playing hurt and playing hard all year round while many of his teammates quit ly).
No he will never be a superstar, but he can be an important piece to a puzzle.
I dont know if I would trade TWill or Lee
for Ilyasova. May not need to. He is excess baggage. Maybe get him for a pick. Milwaukee has salary cap issues.
I like both TWill and Lee, but the reality is that with them, Morrow, Outlaw and Farmar, there is not enough minutes in the game to satisfy all of them…
irony
The irony is ilyasova is another 10 and 6 guy like Yi and Tyrus. Yes he is the cheapest of the 3. But to trade Yi for nothing and then TWill for Ilyasova – ugh. I never had any love for Yi but after the failure of free agency that dump is turning out to be a really dumb move in hindsight. Yi is ironically the perfect fit for what they need – a PF with a modest one year contract that will play 25 – 30 minutes a game and then give way to Favors without complaint.
by mt57 on Jul 23, 2010 9:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ilyasova is about potential
just as TWill is. Same age, same situation: good player whose minutes may very well be curtailed by off season moves.
It’s not up to me or you to guage that potential…and whether other issues like volatility, reliability, chemistry undercut or enhance that potential.
Ilyasova and Tiny Gallon are both available. If people are still upset about losing a #47 pick, which was the single craziest discussion perhaps ever on this board, I’m sure John Hammond would take Billy King’s call.
I would trade TWill for Ilyasova
BTW, I am putting a comparison with Ilyasova into the fanpost I’m working on. Ilyasova just makes so much sense. But you’ve got a lot of posters here who think he’s “garbage” — and that’s a direct quote.
Maybe they’re as xenophobic as Dave D.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
If anything, compare his numbers to Ilyasova's rookie stats
Because TWill is a rookie and Ilyasova is a SECOND YEAR player who had some experience playing for one of the best teams in Europe.
or how about comparing them to CLee’s? Would you trade him for CLee? Ilyasova is also said to be a couple of years older than what he says. And he’s nowhere near as valuable as TWill. A big man who shoots .444 from the field, he’s so great!
He is 6'9
And plays as much SF as he does PF. Big men or not, he is a perimeter player, and if you’re gonna talk about him shooting 42% from the field then you need to to remind people what TWill is shooting for the field too.
He also shot a pretty respectable 44% last year.
Im not trading Twill for Ilyasova
Sorry, no way no how. If Twill gets traded its part of a bigger deal getting a better player
Im not more a fan of Twill then you are Tom
But you gotta get more then Illyasova for him. I had my sights set up Landry, but i think i would be just as fine with Gibson or Thompson.
You can sign Landry straight away next summer. We have the cap space. Landry will be unrestricted next year. So why trade talent for him. And Thompson is soft for a PF. I am not even sure he is in the Kings long term plans. I don’t think he can be a top 3 big on a good team.
exactly
Why trade TWill for a guy who will be an UNRESTRCITED free agent next summer…
Btw, is that Taj Gibson the same Taj Gibson who was taken something like 15-16 spots behind TWill in last year’s draft? Come on…
No its a different Taj Gibson
The one that made the all rookie 1st team with 41 more votes then TWill who got a whopping ZERO. And the one that started for a play-off team.
We need a starter THIS year, so our ability to sign Landry next year is pointless.
Call Thompson soft all you want, he is a young player, with a big body that produces. Which is all i want, and probably more then Twill can get you.
If thats the case
We should stop calling him a project. Projects dont start in their rookie year
Avery said
Favors’ situation could be similar to KG’s when he was a rookie, reamrking KG didn’t started until mid season, and he said he could envision a similar scenario with Favors
Well if this is true
It says we made the right pick without a doubt. It also means we shouldnt be wasting our time trading any of our assets for a stop gap PF. The only trade involving our assets should be for a difference maker, nobody else.
We won't make a knee jerk trade.
Our roster isn’t high level playoff caliber so just wait and see on Favors. What else are we going to do? Blow it up?
Avery also says the Lee is the starter and Morrow has a chance to challange
But you dont care about that do you Andres?
You trade talent for him so other talent can play minutes , develop , and retain their value.
by strange-brew on Jul 23, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Bucks give him up?
He’s good , versatile , dirt cheap , and they have SG’s already.
by strange-brew on Jul 23, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bucks have an audio review of their players on their home page (under The Davis Dish) and they appear to be loaded but not more at PF than other positions.
http://www.nba.com/bucks/
click on The Davis Dish.
It also features Keyon Dooling.
I doubt if they would part with Illyasova that easily. What could Nets offer? Giving up Hump is a side-ways move. Bucks only have Larry Sanders, unless they plan to use Tiny Gallon at PF.
Agree
I wouldn’t mind giving Yi another shot this year. It’s the last year of his contract and we desperately need another Power Forward. I think he would give Avery fits on defense, but he would give solid minutes. Better than most of the options left and we wouldn’t have to trade for him.
That would be embarrassing to take back Yi and his $4 million salary after finally having a "face saving" reason to trade him.
Then Nets would have to deal with the embarrassing situation of not renewing his contract.
Lets let Wizard deal with that problem.
So what if Troy is a little slow. Big players tend to be slow. Avery likes Big players.
Other teams seem content to use Murphy as a starter for the past 6 years. He has played in 68-75 games in each of the past 6 years, nearly all as a starter.
You can argue about his what Indiana would demand, but Nets would be a possible playoff team, while Favors developed during the year.
And WHO exactly would Nets be using that 12 million for during the year? There are no superstars coming here before next summer.
Beggars can’t be too fussy. Murphy is worth further discussion as are some of the other names listed.
And if Nets were willing to throw 10 million (for 5 years) at Scola then what is the big deal about spending 12 million for 1 year on someone the same age as Scola?
Scola maybe better than Murphy overall, but at least Murphy spreads the offense and is taller than Scola and can play some backup C, which Nets need.
I would suspect that Murphy is on the list of players in discussion. I just don’t know what Indiana would demand.
If Dave D. is so smart, then he must know that Murphy is one of the Nets options.
no sense of direction
people wonder why no one respects the Nets
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions
the sense of direction should be quite obvious
you may disagree with it, but the direction is this: in the short term, conserve cap space and accumulate draft picks (and younger players) to see if teams are willing to dump major players either during the season or next summer. The plan is to have $14 to $15 million in cap space going into the season and $18 million next summer.
When superstars are traded (aka dumped) the teams sending them out rarely if ever get return value. They get a combination of draft picks, expiring contracts, young players, cash and a trade exception to help them rebuild. Look at the Kidd trade. Look at both Carter trades, incoming and outgoing.
what direction
saying one day we are building with youth.
Telling fans it will be a long journey and will not happen over night. Basically preparing us to rebuild through youth which I have no problem with.
Then entertaining trades that would only be a short term solution.
Sorry this is why people are laughing at the Nets and calling them losers and not respecting them they are not sticking to a game plan.
Double talk. The Thunder haven’t blinked once. Sure they could have traded Green and put some incredible package to get another player there but no they are patient.
this is the team the Nets hope to emulate??
Give me a break.
By doing this you are showing how much of project Favors will be.
What many people are scratching their heads about if it was this important to get an NBA ready 4 why didn’t you do it through the draft or free agency.
Amare was going where the money was.
Now look at the Knicks. Chris Paul actually wants to go there. Yea the player the Nets were trying to get.
The Nets are so full of it.
The Nets hire Billy King of all people that were available? You don’t think other players see what they are doing. That their agents are saying that team has no idea what they are doing?
There is no direction.
The Nets say one thing one week and another the next.
The Nets aren’t a championship team. they are not a playoff team. Heck they aren’t a 30 win team.
So what is the importance of finding a starting 4???
So the Nets went from building through youth to lets find the first disgruntle super star who will likely leave us again.
No sense of direction
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
there is no conflict
between what they have done and what they say their plan is.
If someone comes along, they have the assets. The “offer” to Scola, which apparently was never made just discussed, could have been an entree to a discussion of a trade. That’s what almost always happens with restricted free agents.
And again, you need THREE good big men to make a run at any championship.
And why wouldn’t Paul choose the Knicks over the Nets right now? You seem to forget that the Nets newness is all unproven…how good will Prokhorov be as an owner, Johnson as a coach, King as a GM? Will fans show up in Newark? Will Brooklyn move according to schedule? And the Nets were 12-70 last season.
It’s going to be a long road back.
“a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step”
by aunt-B on Jul 23, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
aunt b rules
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand that NI
I’m all for the long road back,
Let’s develop and build. Let’s see what works in the season and doesn’t and make a decision. As you said it will be a long road back.
We are not winning a championship in the next 6 years so lets build and develop.
The Nets going for short term solutions doesn’t bode well. We need to stay the course of building young.
We make short terms moves we become the Altanta Hawks or Nuggets teams that hit their peak.
second round knockouts. We build smart and develop right and chemistry.
We could have something special.
sure it might take time but hey Barclays Center wasn’t built in a day
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The plan is to get this team ready for Brooklyn
If the team can put together a win now team in Newark, I’m sure they would do it, but the Nets are content to build slowly until Brooklyn. In some way, Newark is the second class citizen. Although I still think this will be good for Newark.
You are the worst..Killa
You find a way to bring up the DREADFUL Knicks in EVERY post. You act like they sign Amare ad the last 10 embarrassing years both ON and OFF the court just crumble away the same way that “Mecca” of a old outdated arena you call home is.
I don’t hear much from Billy King or anyone else in the brass saying how they are doing all of the things you say. Its us fans here discussing. It’s what we do. Direction is something that hinges on facts. FACT our roster is FULL and 3 deep at every position except PF. The players are mostly under 25 and have potential. They are shooters and slashers and the coach is a Defensive coach and former coach of the year who got a run and gun NELLIE team to play D all the way to the finals. D’Antoni hasn’t figured a way to get him squads to play D since he came into the league. We still have our cap Space and 10 draft picks in the next 4 years.
Our DIRECTION is the corner of Atlantic and Flatbush (Barclay’s Center) And we are making a stop downtown Newark on the way. I hope that clears it up for you.
The NETS are coming!
the media is leading you to believe that they have no direction due to baseless rumors and speculation
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Dollar this can all be squash
with one sentence from King or Avery. Until then I will feel this rumor has legs. I’m saying they come out and say Twill is untouchable but you say we will trade a young talented player for a short term solution.
I mean no way you look at it. Trading Terrence for a now solution is only short term gain and not much for a team that’s not making the playoffs.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
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by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 EXACTLY Mr$$$
Proky, Billy King or Avery are the only ones who can clearly make a statement about the direction of the Team. Not DAVE D…lol
If front offices and coaches and players took time to debate the point of every writer there would be no time to practice or play games or have lives. One dude said it looks like they may trade T-Will. No need for a press conference there.
They are still under or at the league minimum salary. The will likely pick up a 2 year vet minimum type to be an extra body.
For some reason the Nets always seemed like a joke or after thought to people. I don’t know what it is. Even during the Kidd era it seemed like the media would cringe at having to say they were actually any good. They were so used to us being the punchline. Things are in order and we will compete one way or another.
The NETS are coming!
It should be noted that Dave D. was already proven wrong since his article was written.
Nets were prepared to pay BIG money for Scola, despite being age 30, a 5 year 50 million price was probably in discussion with Scola’s agent.
SO OBVIOUSLY DAVE D. WAS WRONG AND NETS ARE PREPARED TO PAY BIG MONEY FOR 5 YEARS FOR AN AGING PF.
I would say that if Nets had to do it over again they WOULD have given David Lee a 12-13 million 1st year contract.
I have no doubt about it. They just did a poor sales job by being snobbish and not personally interviewing the players they liked. Thorn was trying to get a bargain as usual, and he overestimated the attraction of coming to play for Proky and the Nets. You have to overpay to play for the Nets. That still applies.
you dont know, for example...
what the Nets might have been willing to give up if there trade discussions with Houston, because that is part of virtually every discussion on restricted free agents.
Net Income
stop being vague, please. Say what you want to say. If you’ve heard something, spill it
we have ways of making you talk
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Forget about Lee
He would have killed our cap, and we would never, ever had been a championship contender with David Lee being our highest paid player. And hes not the type of Star that brings in others- like an Amare or Wade or Paul.
they talked with his agent
but there has been nothing to suggest that they made him an offer.
They didnt make an offer to Amare. They did make an offer to Tyrus Thomas, at a considerable discount to the others. They made an offer to Boozer, but the question is how serious was it and how serious was it taken by Boozer.
They were in the discussion with Lee's agent every day until the end util the end. Were they telling old NBA stories?
Even when it was reported that Warriors were offering 60 million over 6 years (which came out to be 10.5 million in year 1 and about 16.1 million in year 6), Nets were still in discussions.
How do I know this? Besides reading the remarks posted here from Lee’s agent, David Aldridge on NBATV was saying that he expected DLee to be signed by Nets the next afternoon (the day of LeBron’s announcement). And if the Warriors didn’t have that 6 year offer, it IS reasonable to assume that DLee would be a Net now.
Do you know more that the well connected David Adridge???
And both Adridge and Frank Isola felt that Lee was perfect for the Nets.
However, my other point is that in retrospective, if Nets were willing to talk in the range of 50/5 for Scola, then 70-76 over 5 for a much younger DLee (who would also satisfy Proky’s desire to steal away Knicks fans) would be a no brainer (if they had to do it over again.)
Nets fans could argue that David Lee would only lead to an Elite team, not a championship, but then does anyone seriously think the Nets are going to win a championship in 5 years?? (I seriously doubt Proky will, which is why he will get married by 2015).
I would settle for an Elite team, any day over struggling these next few years.
WE DO NOT TRADE TERRENCE! The team who snags him from us would be laughing all the way to the bank in the next couple of years! We are not set to win a championship next year, so, develop our players and watch them grow as talents. One new power foward will not be a difference maker to us making a finals run. That is the ulitmate goal and Terence should be apart of that in a couple of years.
LETS GO NETS!
If indeed
Avery Johnson sees TWill as a 1 or a 2, it should be noted that three of his competitors for minutes at those positions, Courtney Lee, Devin Harris and Jordan Farmar, have been to the NBA Finals a total of five times…the first two as starters and the third as a member of the rotation on the last two finals.
It should also be noted...
That Devin Harris cannot stay healthy and hasn’t played a lick of dense in three years.
by rundmc00 on Jul 23, 2010 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this
but I expect harris to play better. Staying healthy, well, i don’t know
But it would be brutal for the Nets if Harris misses 23-30 games this season and we trade the only other guy that can create his own shot and shots for others for a stop gap bum
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, although if they did trade TWill it would probably be for someone Nets fans wouldn't mind having - just NOT for TWill.
TWill is basically worth a #5 pick IMO. Therefore I would prefer trading a similar future draft pick to get the same player.
how is he worth a #5 pick??
he didnt even play that well his ONLY year in the league and he is all of a sudden a #5 pick because he had a good month. He didnt even make a rookie team btw
Favors may not make the rookie team
but he’s full of potential so he was worth a top 3 pick right or wrong?… ok thnx
wow "It's the All New Nets but same old results"
How about laying in the bed you made.
You want to say you building through youth to cover up a horrible free agency.
Now that the Knicks have buzz again. Super Star players actually requesting to get traded there the Russian is worried. The Nets won’t matter by the time Brooklyn comes along???
How about building a good team with your assets and see what you can do from there.
This team has no direction and no identity and you are looking for short term solutions.
this is why people see the Nets as a joke.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions
Cnt disagree with u.
No mTter how bad the team is the garden sells
Look
You can’t run a team just to make your fans happy. That is why the Knicks continue to watch other teams take their lottery picks. You make prudent decisions, collect assets, and wait for an opportunity to lock up a core group of players. The Nets are working towards that.
by gsloots on Jul 23, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
patting the Knicks on the back…pffft!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This has nothing to do with Fans
With all that’s happened to the nets over the last few years, the fans aren’t the problem. It starts with management. With all the posturing done by Jay-Z and Prokhorov and Thorn retiring the Nets management was in state of flux. You can’t blame fans for the ineptitude of management. Despite the Stupidity of the Dolans Donnie Walsh is as smart as they come. They are out from under all those bad contracts that Isiah left them with, so Donnie could now do his job.
What has management done to spur condfidence
It wasn’t a perfect offseason, but a lot of events were out of their control.
Mistakes: Yi trade, maybe overpaying Outlaw, not overpaying for Scola, Boozer or some other power forward when they want to watch “hard work” develop?
Ok.
I think were on the same page about management. I completely agree with everything you’ve said. My issue goes back to NI’s point about the fans. The off season issues have nothing to do with the fans, it has to do with Management. for all the reasons that you and I pointed out
Unless I’m missing something?
More fans
is not the same as better fans.
Also, I don’t think entire posts should be created based on pure speculation, pure opinion. I can see why the original trade TWill post was created, because an inside beat writer in Dave D brought it up and you can infer he may have been basing the article on some truth, even though he made it clear it was his own opinion. When other random writers just note opinions, it is not worthy of making headlines on NetsDaily. It gives people the opinion the site has an agenda. The writer of this article stating an opinion that TWill may be traded has no real journalistic value.
no agenda but ...
same argument again and again … like ‘tastes great’ versus ‘less filling"
still, guys here don’t have to take the bait
I think a simple solution to this issue is this 11 man rotation:
Harris/Farmar
Lee/Morrow
Outlaw/T-Will
Favors/James/Hump
Lopez/Petro
James would be fine backing up PF. I think he will be able to rebound at this level. Hump would be there in case the rookies got in trouble.
Except Avery doesn’t see T-Will as a 3 , and James is classic SF.
by strange-brew on Jul 23, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
THE FUNNY THING ABOUT ALL THIS
Why do all these suppose to be NBA CONNOISSEURS actually saying that Morrow is better then TWILL?
Morrow wasnt drafted. I havent seen him play much. What I have seen is that he is a good shooter. But can he defend? Can he attack the basket off the dribble? Can he create for his teammates? To automatically say Morrow is backing LEE is a little premature.
Also Farmor WAS known to be a pass first PG, but with the Lakers he was a shooting PG. Maybe Twill is also there to set Farmor up instead of Farmor setting Twill up.
All this talk about trading TWILL for a PF is all BS until AVERY AND KING come out and say IT IS SO.
MARK MY WORDS
TWILL IS GOING TO BE A STAR and LETS HOPE IT IS ON THE NETS!!!!!!
Enough of this
T Will might be the third best player on this team right now. After Brook and Devin. Getting a starter fo PF might win more games but also so might keeping him. I know he definately won us some of those 12 games towards the end of teh season. No matter who we trade for they are just going to be a stop gap power forward. I don’t care what spin you put on it that the fact. They’ll be a short term solution. Why compromise the future for a couple of games? If we got somone of all star talent will that would just show we’re not sold on favors and we might as well be giving up on him. On top of which if T Will could actually bring back that kind of player even in a salary dump well thats says it all we shoudln’t be trading him. All in all if we don’t get an all star caliber player back which is what we hope Favors is going to be, then they are just a short term solution. Which my opinion is a stop gap. And won’t make that much of a diference in the seasons that person is the starter.
"might be"
This kid is a game changer when he is playing under control. There are no might be’s, he is the 3rd best player on this team and we have no idea where he can go from here.
Talk of dumping a 2nd year player….sheesh
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Our best players
1.Harris
2.Brook
3.Twill
no reason to trade 3rd best player on the team…period.
why trade for someone to backup favors? nets are good at signing backups…no need to trade for a backup.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
After last season's end,
Dave D even quoted some team officials as saying they believe TWill has the potential to become this team’s best player…
Andres im sorry the guy above me didnt read. let me help you out
hey Keenan the key word is potential
no way twill is better than two PROVEN players
it is definitely
1.Devin
2.Brook
3.Favors/ Twill(only had one good month)
Our best.
PGs: Devin/Farmar/Twill
SGs: Lee/Morrow/Twill
SFs: Outlaw/James/Twill
You got the 3rd best part right for sure.
Milosh
Its funny that everyone is putting Morrow and James ahead of Twill.
Morrow is going to be our sharp shooter. Does he play defense? Does he create for others?
James is a rookie. Yeah Avery likes him but that doesnt mean he is automatic.
Twill will have a spot on this team. Twill will be the most dynamic player on this team. He will have Kidd-like influence on the results of games for this NETS team.
I'm sure wether i should reply or just laugh at the Kidd comparison.
Morrow can shoot and can’t play defense, this is why he is coming off the bench. James is a rookie who had a better SL, and although i dont buy this for a second it was Avery himself that said TWill is not a 3 and Outlaw/James are the SFs.
Being “dynamic” is not a tangible basketball skill, it doesn’t mean anything. And you should be more concerned about Twills defense then Morrow.
MIlosh you should reply
I didnt say Twill is Kidd. I said Twill will have Kidd-like Influence on games.
Being able to win games for his team without scoring the most points, by rebounding the ball, and by leading the team in assists. Twill, like Kidd, would be a triple double waiting to happen every game.
No where did I say TWILL was as Talented as Kidd. Like this article, People want to create their own reasoning on things arent there.
NI made it pretty clear in one of his posts a while ago
Its was about Lebron but Kidd works just as well.
Comparing Twill to anyone of those guys in any context is laughable.
Yea, its gonna be in the site guidelines that TWill cannot be used in the same sentence as any star player, unless preceded by “is nothing like” or “is nowhere near as good” or “will wash the car of” I will feel better once the guidelines are in place.
Why???
Have you watched him play? Nobody is saying that he is Jason Kidd or Lebron, but who does his game remind you off exactly??
JR Smith that passes instead of shooting???
And no i’ve never seen an NBA game ever, i live in Siberia and have no electricity, but i have heard plenty of people compare him to Kidd and Lebron, lite or otherwise.
JR Smith?
Oh god. Just stop it. Now we’re getting to the point of no return
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
no one is co-signing the "Lebron-lite" stuff either
Can we just all stop for a second and let Williams develop into TERRENCE WILLIAMS?
sheesh!!! lol
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that he is a big guard that is athletic can
pass and rebound is where some comparison come from, if you watch him you see it, others say IGGY, its just a comparison, in the end he will be his own player, but he said himself he has modeled his game after some of those players.
I can live with Igudala comparisions.
As long as you dont forget the “Lite”, but Lebron and Kidd is a bit too much.
Well the triple double
Do everything big guard is a comparison you can’t run away from, getting a triple double is not easy he was close to about 5 or more towards the end of last season all I’m saying.
Triple doubles are a stat freaks Dunks.
And Twill does both, no wonder you guys hype him up so much.
because guys that can potentially rack a triple double...
…has no impact on the game.
When he recorded a triple double against Chicago, he was a total non factor in that win. This is what you’re trying to imply, right?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
excuse me, "have"
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
his ability to fill up a stat sheet or impact the game does not matter
he has a spongebob back pack and twitters. He’s a 12th man at best
It’s 1:14pm in the afternoon and you people already have me wanting to drink lol
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee and Morrow are better than Williams?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Because what i see is T-will is our best shooting guard just not next to harriss if harris was a good outsideshooter twill would be starting . But Harris does what twill does so putting them on the floor together doesn’t make sense
THIS
This is WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING.
There would be no problem if Harris had a reliable outside shot. He doesn’t. So for that reason, it’s more prudent to start Lee. It does not mean that Lee is BETTER than Williams.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Williams had a reliable shot
his jumpshot and form look improved, but not enough from what I saw at the SL.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
So Sick of all this PLEASE SIGN ANTHONY TOLLIVER SO WE CAN MOVE ON...
Moses Malone or Dennis Rodman in their primes aren’t walking through the door. We drafted Favors to be the GUY. Plain and simple we just need another Big mobile Body. If Favors is productive “New guy” won’t even play much.
I’m just sick of talking about this while the big bodies sign elsewhere. We wanted a vet to eat minutes and teach Favors the ropes the guy was Kurt Thomas and he just signed to be 3rd string in Chicago. But i’m tired of this FAVORS/COUSINS/TRADE TWILL FOR A SIX PACK CONVERSATION.
The NETS are coming!
Agreed
And I think we screwed up not signing Kurt Thomas. He would have been perfect mentor for Derrick Favors.
what a mistake not signing kurt thomas
what a joke
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
This trade t-will stuff is GETTING ANNOYING!
I cut and paste this from my We have plenty to look forward to post:
I also found this T-Will remix. Please watch this T-Will haters! I know a lot of it is dunks and dunks don’t make you an NBA star. That being said, watch this and you can see the athleticism and the intensity. He’s a gym rat and his jumper will get better because of that. He’s got great speed and a knack for the “home run” pass. When he learns to handle the more subtle nuances of being a distributor, he can be our “Slash” guy. He’s not a 1, 2 or 3 purely but he can do a little bit of all 3 well. I don’t want poor man’s Lebron or Pippen, I just want friggin’ T-will!
WATCH THIS REMIX PLEASE and we will think twice before shipping him out (too many things here not to like and that just can’t be replicated by anybody). We are not contending for the title tommorow SO PLEASE DON’T TRADE A GUY I WOULD HAVE DRAFTED #2 THIS YEAR!
yes i like him that much
that off of his college resume and what we saw last year and thus far in SL. I think IMO that he would have been the #2 ahead of Turner, Favors etc.
Just doesn’t make sense
by yankeesnets on Jul 23, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
a fan favorite
T-Will was and still is one of the most beloved player in U of L history. He was recently named to the all decade team.
With Twill and a conservative year long slow development of Favors + 25 – 30 wins, lottery
Trade Twill for a starter like Landry = 35 – 40 wins and sniffing the playoffs.
Last year was about developing and playing the kids, this year has to be about wins and getting much, much better. Cpaul, Mello, or any of the guys who teams will unload, will not come here or stay here unless we are competitive. I personally don’t see Twill as a star. He does not have a position. He is turnover prone. He is at best a 6th man getting good playing time and helping us win. Now that is a good role and a valuable player, but he is not a starter on a good team.
i disagree
Last year the franchise, roster, coaching staff, and front office were in a state of absolute chaos. There was no development. Do you know when some development came? When Rod looked T-Will in the eye and told him to straighten up his act or he will be on a bus with a bunch of d leaguers. That was the best piece of developing that happened.
This year, will be about development and establishing an atmosphere of accountability, hard work, hard play, and competitiveness.
I don’t care if we win 30 games. You NEVER know what that lottery pick will become.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
twill makes a great sixth man...
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
NetsDaily - question for you
Is it possible to disable the feature where the page scrolls to wherever a new post is updated? Its annoying if you are reading something or writing a reply.
why
not go in with a hole in the four
the expectations are not playoffs lets build young and let this team develop chemistry. if we looked for short term answers we become the Knicks.
Jerome James??
Trading Ariza for Steve Francis?
let’s do this right and develop
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed
However if the opportunity comes up to trade one or two of these potential young talents for a proven all star then its something we need to look at and investigate. Just because u start with a plan doesnt mean you cant change it. The best business models evolve over time and are flexible
can we see
how this plan work though so we know it doesn’t work though?
hahahahah I
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
How many Championships have been won without a Superstar?
Even OKC has one, his name is Kevin Durant.
Look at every champion over the past 20 years, they all had HOF players on their team.
Thats also why we went after Lebron, Wade and Bosh.
Do u see any HOF players on this roster?
So building with youth….with this roster…unless Lopez and either Williams or Favors becoming superstars will not result in Championships.
Those are facts my friend.
Ha Ha
see this is my point if we are thinking like this
why didn’t we over pay for Amare then?
See this is what I don’t get.
I’m not in a rush to see them mortage of their future to what to compete against the Superheat, Boston and the rest of top teams.
Look at the Pistons in 2004 beat a star filled lakers team,
We could get our superstar through the draft.
Let’s be patient.
build with a strong foundation.
if we try to be a team looking to find that next superstar through trades we become the Knicks.
remember trading for Marbury Curry Zach lets be patient
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I never considered
Marbury, Curry or Zach Superstars. CP3 however is. Thats the type of player I would consider dealing Williams in a package for.
And that Pistons 2004 team is the exception to the rule- and that team was loaded also- 4 all stars. Mr Big Shot, Rip, Rasheed, Prince and Big Ben all defensive team.
Now look at the typical trend with Championship teams
Chi- MJ/Pippen
LAL- Magic/Kareem/Worthy, Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Gasol
Miami- Wade/Shaq
SA- Duncan/Robinson
Detroit- Isiah/Dumars/Rodman
Houston-Hakeem
Thats the trend. Thats how u win Championships.
O Dog
why are we trying to compete now?
The East has gotten stronger.
lets say we do gamble and we lose.
We end up being the Hawks. A team always losing the second round. We done that already plus we know that CP3 has his eyes on New York. Let him go there and stay with our plan.
What if the Heat go on a three peat. how will having patience hurt us?
We need to just be patient that’s it.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 23, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you
But you need a Superstar for it to work no matter what. Do we have that on our roster? Thats the question. I dont know the answer and if its no, then we will be rebuilding for the next 10 years.
BTW, Hawks dont have a superstar on their team, just good players. Thats why they will never advance. And if we dont have any superstars regardless of the time, that will be our fate also.
I have no problem with youth, but if theres an opp to go get a young SS then we should, Im not talking about an older player, Im talking about someone young (CP3, Melo…..those types)> Which I know is difficult..
And lets not give the Heat any championships yet. LBJ has proven that he cant lead a team- he wantsto be Pippen- Not MJ. Wade gets hurt a lot and I dont think Bosh has even won a playoff series- lets hold off there.
The Lakers are going to punish them if they get to the Finals
they just picked up Matt Barnes. Lakers are deep at every position while Miami looks soft in the frontcourt
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The spin in the headline is ridiculous
The underlying article is about how Terrence shouldn’t be dealt, yet the summary of the story is all about how it’s a serious possibility. This should be a discussion under the headline “Terrence Williams Too Valuable To Trade?” but unfortunately there is an editorial agenda taking place here.
by Netted on Jul 23, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well if thats the question the answer is....
Maybe, maybe not
For a stop gap PF- YES too valuable
As part of a trade to get an All star player- NO
It really depends on the situation. But Im not trading him unless I get a big time player in return, and certainly not trading him for the likes of Gibson, or those type players…
that's just the thing
there has been no talk about putting him in a trade for a significant talent upgrade. I would not be against it. But trying to pour gasoline on baseless speculation about trading Williams for garbage is baffling.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
This is the same thing I’ve been saying as well.
There has nothing been put out there that even lends support to the idea that it is a serious possibility.
When repeatedly asked to provide more proof that this is more than speculation on the part of DAVE D, Net Income avoids the question and remains quiet. Now, I give him the benefit of a doubt because he has said that he would like to see T-Will used in a 6th man role, but lets not pretend that he’s his biggest fan either. So there very well could be some kind of agenda here in regards to this “story” which is based off of a disgruntled Nets beat writer making up garbage
Trading T-Will for a 1 year rental of Carl Landry, or any of the stop gap names out there. Sure. Real credible stuff there.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Here the Distrubution of Minutes Only if Avery could see the comparisense with Andre Igoudola being kind of a Point Forward
Lopez-36
Power.F.-24
Outlaw-24
Lee-24
Harris-36
T-Will-28
Petro-12
Favors-12
James-12
Morrow-16
Farmar-16
You have:
PG – Harris 36, Farmar 16 = 52
SG – Lee 24, Morrow 16 = 38 (10 mins = Twill)
SF – Outlaw 24, James 12 = 36 (12 mins = Twill)
Twill = 22 minutes, not 28.
It also requires that Morrow who might be the best shooter on the team playing rather light minutes.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
sorry that is
SG – Lee 24, Morrow 16 = 40 (Twill = 8 min)
SF – Outlaw 24, James 12 = 36 (Twill = 12 min)
Twill = 20 minutes, not 28.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I guess he thinks Twill will be playing power forward
And Humphries will be sitting on the bench.
Do the Math you don't play with 2-3 positions you play with five.
C.Brook/Petro=48 at the center
P.F.24 Minutes + 12 for outlaw plus 12 for favors=48
S.F.Outlaw 12 minutes + T-will 24 + 12 minutes from james=48
S.G.Lee 24 minutes + 16minutes for Morrow + 4 minutes t-will + 4 minutes farmar=48
P.G.Harris 36 MINUTES FARMAR 12 MINUTES+48
Most of our fans fans are not smart people especially someone saying putting t-will at the power forward Outlaw plays POWER FORWARD and this could be a lineup if t-will would play the 3 under avery if not he would be dealt.
Play a farmar harris combo just like he did in dallas with terry and harris the last 4 minutes of the 2nd quarter play t-will and harris the last 4 minutes of the 4th when the game is on the line wse need someone who gets to the rim with authority that will be t-will not someone who will shoot threes.
You dont have to be a genius to understand what he head coach of this team is saying.
And thats that a 6’9 210 Outlaw is not a POWER FORWARD.
AND that Twill is not principally a SF.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 23, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
again with the minutes speculation game
none of us know what Avery is going to do with his rotations. These posts will look absolutely silly come December.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly we didn't even have training camp yet
Coaches need to see these players up close and usually the best player wins out.
and we're being led to believe that...
…Lee and Morrow, two guys that I like btw, are better than Williams, who is clearly above them in terms of talent.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Only way I trade T-will if GM
Nets get
Paul
West
Hornets get:
Zoubek
Humpries
T-will
Lee
Uzoh
Ross
And 5 Picks
You would trade Twill for Chris Paul????
Man, Twill has WAY more potential. Have you seen his highlight mix?!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I hope/pray/expect/assume thats sarcasm.....LOL
BTW for those who wouldnt want to part with Twill for CP3, if we could even put together a package
Twill= 23 years old
CP3= 25 years old. At 23 CP3 was an MVP candidate and turned the Hornets franchise around.
Of course we have no idea how CP3 knee is……
UGH DUDE
Alright, we get it. You and Milosh aren’t Terrence Williams fans. We also get that you guys don’t like mixtapes or dunks, and that’s all you think TWill is good for. I’m sorry we can’t go back to the Mikan era of set shots, granny free-throws, and any attempts at dunks resulting in the dunker-to-be ending up layed out in the third row.
The fact of the matter is that everyone here is obviously getting sick and tired of you two forcing your agenda down other people’s throats. Like I said before, we get it. You don’t like the kid. Don’t know why, but it seems to be personal (Which is hilarious, by the way.) All you two have to say is, “I don’t like the kid.” and be done with it. At least then folks around here might be able to scrounge up a modicum of respect for either of you. The choice is entirely yours, though. Be honest with the rest of the posters here and yourselves, or keep spinning and continuing down the path of intellectual dishonesty.
As for the TWill fans: Much of what I’ve said above can apply to you, too. The simple fact of the matter is this; our beloved Nets won 12 games last year. Then they completely wiffed in free agency. EVERYBODY, short of Brook, should be considered up for grabs if the right deal comes along.
That being said, anyone who says that Terrence wasn’t one of our best players last year, and the player with the most upside on the team this year, is just plain lying to themselves (Hi Milosh and KV!) He CAN and SHOULD not only fit in on this team, but be a major part of it’s success in the near future.
I actually like the guy plenty, just not for THIS team. Just like I LOVE Nate Robinson, but not for this (or even most) teams.
And yes, Twill was one of the best players on one of the WORST teams in league history. Hello?
And yes, everytime someone puts up a link to dunks, or claims that Twill is the next great NBA player, even someone with HoF potential, not only will I laugh, I will likely say something.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 23, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
T-Will and Nate Robinson: guilty by association?
Why is it that T-Will’s association with Nate is seen in a negative way? Is it warranted?
Why doesn’t anyone ever associate T-Will with Jamal Crawford or Brandon Roy? He is just as much friends with them as Nate.
It just seems that whenever an argument is made against T-Will and the reasons he should be traded, Nate is always in the equation.
These players are all from Seattle and they are all very close They have a network for supporting present as well as future NBA players. T-Will gets advice from all of them, not only Nate.
by aunt-B on Jul 24, 2010 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thorpe's top 20 summer rookies
Damion #2
Favors #11
If it wasn't for T-will turning it on and getting minutes at the end of last season.
We would have been stuck on probably 8 wins, if your a true Nets fan and watched the whole season you would know the problems T-Will presented for opposing defenses, once he got PT and got comfortable on the court, I mean having Lee and morrow just swing the ball from side to side, because neither can break anybody down is not going to cut it. You need T-will on the floor and once he shows in practice etc, he is the third best player on the team, and might be second best going forward he will get his minutes.
having a player that can break down the defenses is not important to some folks here
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll Repost My Minute Prediction
PG
Harris – 32
Farmar – 12
T.Williams – 4
SG
C.Lee – 28
Morrow – 16
T.Williams – 4
SF
Outlaw – 20
T.Williams – 18
D.James – 10
PF
Favors – 24
Humphries – 12
Outlaw/James – 12
C
Lopez – 32
Petro – 12
Hump/Favors – 4
If one of:
Harris
Farmar
C.Lee
Morrow
Outlaw
D.James
gets injured.. T.Will can take their minutes since he can play 1-3. Considering NBA players gets injured often, and we were ravaged by injuries last year, I’m sure there will be minutes there throughout the season.
Additionally, we have players at the 3 (Outlaw and James) who like it or not, will be seeing minutes at the 4, and thus opening up more PT on the perimeter.
Right, there I have him about 26 minutes without accounting for injuries. I also am being generous assuming D.James gets minutes right away. If he does, he probably takes away some from T.Will, Outlaw and Humphries.
REMEMBER.. the final roster stats do not add up to 240 when you account for every player. It will be much higher. If a player registers s DNP, they do not lose minutes per games, since that game did not count.
So no starter is playing more then 32 minutes.
I’ love to see that.
I Would
Competition for minutes
Keeps the players fresh in games
Helps avoids injuries
Who warrants over 32 minutes?
Harris so he can get injured, jack up threes and play less defense?
Lopez so he can log even more minutes on a body that hasn’t missed a game in 2 seasons, and will be playing with the US team this summer?
Who, do tell?
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, why dont you tell me...
Which NBA teams use this kind of rotation. I’m curious. I didn’t check, but i have this suspicious feeling that there are NONE, maybe i’m wrong.
Outlaw only 20 minutes?
I’m not buying that at his asking price. I understand you’re just trying to find everyone enough minutes to get their feet wet (not thrive and grow) …. but I seriouly doubt they go that direction.
by strange-brew on Jul 23, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
More like 30
I have him playing back-up PF as well
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohhhhh , ok.
I missed reading Outlaw there. I’m sure he’ll play at PF some against R.Lewis and some teams that want to run small against Favors.
by strange-brew on Jul 23, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yea thats all wrong harris and lopez WILL play more than 32 mins
outlaw IF he is the starter gets more than 20 inuteds and i dont think hump will get 14 minutes
I love minute predictions. Thank you.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I think your numbers are okay. The reason why I like people putting numbers up is that it forces them to be responsible in their predictions, in the context of real limitations.
The only major denial I would make is that there is no way that Outlaw is failing to play even HALF the game at SF at his salary, and I highly doubt that he and James (since when is James a PF???) are regularly playing PF. The Nets are not Portland of 2007.
And it seems unlikely that Avery sees Twill as a SF, especially at the minutes you imagine.
If you want Outlaw playing all that PF he’ll be fouling out, but what the heck.
Nonetheless, you bit the bullet and made a claim for just is necessary for Twill to have the minutes you want him to have, and are applauded for it. Good job.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
The problem with Williams
is that he doesn’t have a position. He may be an extremely talented and versatile player and trading him for a stopgap doesn’t make sense, but he’s too erratic and mistake prone to be a full time one, not a good enough shooter to be a full time two, and he doesn’t have the size to be a full time three.
His future is going to be at off guard and for that he’s going to have to make significant improvements on his jumper.
He does have the potential to be a stud, however. Definitely a keeper.
this is a solid assessment.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He only played one disjointed year, without a real coach.
Lets give Avery some time with him. That is what Avery is doing already – Avery is playing with TWill’s head, to motivate him to get better at shooting and defense.
I don’t believe for one second that Avery will refuse to play TWill at the SF if there is a need.
My thoughts are worth as much as Dave D.‘s thoughts, especially now that Thorn is gone and Dave D. doesn’t have the same connections into Avery’s personal thinkings. We only know that other teams have interest in TWill. That is a GOOD thing.
Fortunately Avery is one of those people who also has interest in TWill, IMO.
It's Very Simple And You May Have Missed...
A few items I wrote at the end…
Ways for these baseline numbers to increase
1. REMEMBER.. the final rosters minutes do not add up to 240 when you account for every player. It will be much higher. If a player registers s DNP, they do not lose minutes per games, since that game did not count.
2. Injuries
Will allow certain players to play more minutes certain games.
I was trying to keep it simple for those that need to see a strict 48 minutes per position and 240 minutes total, such as you.
Sorry..
This should be up under Milosh’s reply.
I wanted to point this out so they don’t miss this as well.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 23, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No to stoke the fires between Andres B and NI, but...
I wonder if NI is underestimating the impact (which he and the rest of us deserve congrats for) that such a forum might be having upon the ‘outside world.’ In light of what transpired this week with Fox News, the Tea Party, the FDA and the White House, it shouldn’t be taken too lightly. Surely no where near that level, but when someone in the media has an agenda(the Right in the above case), or does not (NI in this case), and there is weak or unsubstantiated reporting (Dave D), we have the potential for reaction or overreaction. I would hate for the rumors or grumblings about a preposterous need or antidote of sending TWILL somewhere for a quick fix, to have begun here at home.
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