ESPN: Morrow a "Steal", Outlaw an "Overpay" in 2010 Free Agency
by Net Income on Jul 22, 2010 4:22 PM EDT
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Maybe in the end, they even out. ESPN has chosen one player at each position to be a "steal" in free agency and another "overpay". Of the ten players, two are Nets: Anthony Morrow is the "steal" at shooting guard while Travis Outlaw is the "overpay" at small forward.
Of Morrow, Tony Halberstroh writes: "Did the Nets just sign the best shooter in the game for about half the price of J.J. Redick? It's certainly possible." Regarding Outlaw, he notes Outlaw "won't cripple a franchise's cap flexibility, but the length and dollars could be particularly dangerous for the rebuilding Nets organization," a seeming contradiction. His biggest problem: Outlaw has never produced as a starter, at least offensively, averaging 12.5 ppg in 32 career starts.
Meanwhile, Alex Kennedy of HoopsWorld grades the other half of the Nets' off-season, the Orlando Summer League team. He gives the Nets, with Terrence Williams, Derrick Favors and Damion James. a B+.
- 2010 NBA free agency: Best and worst deals by position - Tony Halberstroh - ESPN Insider
- Orlando Summer League Grades - Alex Kennedy - HoopsWorld
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I agree totally with
A. Nets overpaid Outlaw
B. Morrow was a complete steal due to his shooting ability and the amount of room he has to improve
Thank god we didnt overpay Scola.
And giving the Nets a b+ for summer league is just about right. TWill and Damion were outstanding but Favors suffered due to lack of touches. Future starting to look brihgt
IMO, Damion was outstanding
Favors was promising, TWill was a disappointment in relation to what he was asked to display.
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Knicks = Local
But we dont know what he was asked to display.
Avery said he was more of a SG. So he went out to play SG.
I do agree he should have set up Favors more but if he was told to light up the score board, twill did that.
Search Terrence Williams. Find the post-game interview he did with Steve Smith and Rick Kamla. He said Avery told him during a long, spirited phone conversation a number of things Avery was looking to see from Terrence as he played the point in Summer League.
In other words, they were auditioning him as a potential backup PG. In this context, he failed, imo.
I’m working on a fanpost about this and much more, due to popular demand. I hope to have it ready by the weekend.
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Knicks = Local
I never actually watched the games, but seeing the stats it seemed that Damion looked like a beast, terrence looked like a little lebron, and Favors just seem “left out”, if you will
Curious that Favors...
… exploded the one game that Williams and James didn’t play.
Well one could also argue that TWill or James didn't make him commit all those fouls
Or not grab all those rebounds or not block all those shots
Also, how did James play so well with Twill being the only person on the floor? They will find a way to coexist.
Yeah I mean Summer League is also Hard for Big men
To flourish in, I think T-will really wanted to show the coaches what he could do. But I mean any Nets fan who saw the end of last year when T-will was getting 11-12 assists knows the offense can run smoothly thru him, even when our bigs failed to catch some of his passes.
this
I don’t look much into T-Will’s summer league play. It was honestly a waste of time for him but the work out is always good. I was paying more attention to Favors and James. James really impressed me with his range and aggressiveness.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly- you know how marv albert
calls the end of blowout “extensive gar-bahj time”? well that’s pretty much what all of summer league is. tons of fouling, throwing the ball around the gym etc. very loose. sometimes bad players look good because of the subpar talent on the floor, and sometimes good players look worse playing with and against inferior players playing sloppily. in other words, its really hard to read to much into it
imagine something extremely witty here
yes, lets blame other players.
come on folks.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's blaming anyone...
…just an observation.
Certainly, part of the explanation is that without TWill or James, the offense had to run a bit more through Favors by necessity.
and theeeeeeeeeeere you go again
Read the HoopsWorld article
“Early in the week, the only bright spot for the New Jersey Nets was Terrence Williams, who was scoring at will and leading the team to victories. Williams was easily one of the best players competing in the Summer League but New Jersey was still concerned about the production of their rookies, Derrick Favors and Damion James. The two first round picks were struggling and it seemed as if Williams was the only positive on the Nets’ roster.
But as the week went on, both players would show progress and contribute alongside Williams. Avery Johnson spent time with each of his players, getting to know the group and preparing them for the upcoming season. Williams, in particular, felt very good about his relationship with Johnson after the week and the group seemed to make strides with their new head coach, which was a very important step for the young team. Williams was dominant, Favors showed why he was a top three pick as the week progressed, and the Nets used the experience as a preview of training camp for the young players, getting everyone on the same page on the court and familiar with one another off of it."
Pretty much correct
Morrow definitely came at a better price than other guys with comparable skill level. But you also have to account for the fact that Redick is more expensive because he’s got a larger skill set. He puts the effort in as a defender, he throws smart crisp passes, and makes some good decisions on the floor. Definitely worth the extra bucks to me.
Outlaw is an overpay, especially when other guys near him got less money. But he is younger than other guys though soo there’s that
Also his playoff experience
Players who have that TNT,ESPN,ABC exposure get that extra compliments, to me this is one of the reasons why Brook gets no love, even over his brother.
It's hard to suggest
that the Nets overpaid anyone when their total expenditure for six free agents, including Zoubek and Uzoh, is $18.95 million next season and the team isn’t yet at the league minimum, as required by the CBA.
I somehow think people would be less concerned about Outlaw’s contract if it was seen as the MLE (which is essentially the league average), rather than $35 million over five years. If the contract was laid out like a normal contract, with annual increases instead of a flat annual rate, it would have started at $6 million. The MLE this year starts at $5.85 million. Nets dont have the MLE unless they go over the cap. Outlaw wanted the MLE, according to reports prior to free agency. He got it. Big deal.
If Outlaw got what he wanted, then Nets overpaid
If anyone got paid their asking price, then they were overpaid.
Outlaw wouldve been picked up by any team at that price
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
exactly
but some folks wanted to pay Stoudemire 100 million without insurance
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
amare
is one of the main reasons why guys like chris paul and carmelo anthony are clamoring to come to ny. amare was a phenomenal signing. we needed stat. i love his toughness and his desire to win.
Paul and Anthony are getting bad advice from people who don't know about basketball.
Even LeBron is only getting 15 million to play with the trio. Anthony would have to turn down 21.7 / 3 yrs. (65 total) and would be lucky if there was enough cap space (after tearing down team 2 more times) to pay him close to 15 million.
And don’t forget that neither Paul nor Anthony are going to be going to Knicks anyway, for the simple reason that NO and Denver aren’t under pressure to make any trade (much less a BAD trade) at this time.
this is the funny part about the whole thing
Lebron, Wade, and Bosh waited until free agency to follow through with their plan
These guys are allegedly trying to do it while still under contract. Big mistake.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 EXactly Mr$$$
And
amare was a phenomenal signing. we needed stat. i love his toughness and his desire to win.
Was phenominally dumb. He Played in phoenix his entire career alongside 2 time MVP Steve Nash. Phoenix IMO has the best medical staff in the league and they wouldnt offer him more than 80 mil(David Lee contract) and you gave him 100 mil thus complicating your chance at a big 3.
i love his toughness and his desire to win.
Yeah im going to go ahead and Stop you there again. Toughness blocks shots and rebounds and Plays incredible D. Those aren’t Amare’s calling cards. Only Sports center Dunks for him. Will to win would have had him re-upping with the Team that got to the NBA Finals. By coming here he just displayed a will to get paid!
The NETS are coming!
You have to wait until the season begins.
Outlaw will be a starter at the beginning of the season, he will be given the chance to produce on a poor offensive team, who knows he can develop into a 20ppg player.
If anything like that happens he’ll also be a steal just like Morrow, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Michael Beasley instead of Outlaw should have been the move...
Beasley earns $2M/yr less and the team option on his remaining years reduces the risk from his drug-related problem…
How does it reduce his "drug-related problem"?
You think he will give up the weed because of that team option?
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
I thought it was simple enough that I didn't have to spell it out...
WE CAN DUMP HIM ANYTIME!
by jirohkanzaki on Jul 22, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He can stay as the highest player in Minnesota.
Fixed it for ya!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 22, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
beasley will not give us spacing
You guys have to understand that Morrow and Outlaw were brought in to give us more room to operate.
Devin Harris will break ankles this season now that the paint will not be packed in on him.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
But I think Brook will benefit the most out of it, imagine his production now that he won’t be double teamed anymore.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
you see the vision
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
But I think Brook will benefit the most out of it, imagine his production now that he won’t be double teamed anymore.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Outlaw did not have a 3-pt shot early in his career...
Beasley has the same shooting stroke as Outlaw…
by jirohkanzaki on Jul 22, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Outlaw...
so I’ll hold off on him until I see him play.
Terrence Williams has made me very curious for 3 years now. I really would like to know how good this guy can be.
ummm Beasley is built like a PF...
Coming out he was projected as that. He could not handle south beach and D Wade. You think the NY/NJ Metro area would have made him flourish? Not so much. And we have two many youngins here to drop low charachter guys into our pool.
The NETS are coming!
Morrow will be a godsend
Our best shooter since Drazen. (I’m discounting Eddie House, who never really got it going during his one year here).
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Sometimes I miss Lucious Harris...
…one of our last bright spots from long distance.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not me...
… Harris had one exactly season where he was better than mediocre as a shooter in the seven years he spent as a Net.
Was glad to read...
… Thorn’s reaction to that play.
In Harris’s defense, Aaron Williams (to my eyes, the intended target for that ill-fated inbounds pass) slipped just as Lucious released. Why Harris didn’t try to inbound to someone in the front court, or someone moving towards the front court (ATrain was cutting back towards Lucious from about the midcourt stripe) will remains a mystery.
I have had this stance since they were signed, Morrow a great signing. And while I realize Outlaw has an upside, I feel we over paid. But I hope in time Outlaw will become a steal also.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Morrow probably was kinda of a steal , but not if they keep 3 good shooting guards. He won’t get enough minutes. Actually all 3 of them will play less minutes than they did last year , some significantly less.
Outlaw does seem a bit overpaid. Hope he plays great defense and knocks down enough open shots to justify it.
I agree with ESPN here
Morrow was a smart deal. He is somewhat one dimensional but shooting is very important and we have lacked a good one for ages. When we signed him to an offer sheet I thought it likely that GS would match, but because of ownership issues, I think they were forced to let him go. A smart decision to go after him in the manner we did.
I do not like the Outlaw signing. Five years is an enternity in the NBA and I am not sold on his skillset, though he is a good young player. If we were going to go after a SF, I thought Childress was the better bet, and he signed for a wee bit less than what we gave Outlaw. I think TWill could have handled SF and Damion James has a lot of potential there as well. Would have rather delayed the SF acquisition and tried to get a PF, but not sure we could have gotten a good PF even if we had acted sooner.
I also think Petro was an overpay. Farmar is more of a calculated risk that he will do much better in a traditional offense.
Childress cannot stretch the floor
Outlaw can
We need shooting to space the floor for Harris, Lopez, and Williams.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
For all TWill haters
Where are all the reports about Avery not liking TWILL? This doesn’t seem to say so (from HoopsWorld)
Williams, in particular, felt very good about his relationship with Johnson after the week and the group seemed to make strides with their new head coach, which was a very important step for the young team.
YAWN
It’s the summer, Avery has a whole new team of players and is joining a new organization after being out of an NBA job for two years. He’s not going to come in and trash TWill. Give it some time.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
says the guy that wants to ship Williams out after one season
lol tom, lol
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
game, set and match
And yet you have people on here saying TWilll didn’t do what Avery asked him for as if they were what went on between those 2. HA!
Even though Twill didn’t do to hot at the PG position, I feel as if it still makes the most sense given our team to have him as our backup PG. With Morrow here now, that leaves the SG position filled, and the SF position is set with Outlaw and now James(who I think will be great at the position). With our current roster I would prefer to have Twill then come in behind Devin. He just needs to learn a little bit more control and he will be heading a great second unit.
Totally forgot Farmar… which throws my whole theory off! Now someone is the odd man out.
Twill said coach has a plan in mind for him though, so who will it be?
Lol I feel u dude
this is stressing me out trying to figure out the minutes I quit already
This is why we can't play this guessing game with minutes
We have no idea how Avery plans to use T-Will. But the talk about him being out of the rotation is just absolutely stupid.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
All abut matchups on Defense
We are running out of available big men in the league to fill our PF situation; Outlaw is gonna have to play the position forcefully. We are stuck with the same situation as last year at that position, granted Outlaw is an upgrade from Yi at that postion, only because of BB IQ on the court. This is what is gonna happen if we are not confident with Favors yet. T-Will should really play the small forward position. Basketball is a game of match ups. He is certainly faster than most of the PF out in the league and should be able to blow by them easily, and if you are thinking that he is too small for that position, he certainly has proven that he can hold his own and more. He has been matched up against the likes of Lebron and he certainly has the power and agility to keep up. Damion Jones should play behind him on the account of he is a rookie. To me this isn’t rocket science. I don’t know why Avery won’t play Outlaw at the PF position, since he is our only option right now at that position. He may not have the power to defend, but he does have speed and agility because of size at that position. PS defense should be a team effort, not a single man coverage. People hated the small ball tactic when that is all we had in the times that LF coached. We had no players because of injuries, the only available at that time was Sean Williams, and I believe management tied LF hand on playing him; Yi and, I believe, Boone was injured too, and somehow LF was able to keep the team competitive or the games close. BB is a game of matchups, and with the roster we had during that injury stent, we were competitive/close. Times have change but not much. We still dont have a PF. Maybe the Nets should inquire with Orlando about Ryan Anderson and see if they give him back for free. They certainly don’t give him playing time, and if I remember, he did produce even if he was off on the shooting; he rebounded, hustled, and defended. Think of him as a taller Hump with range. We never should have let go of him, and choose Yi; Anderson certainly had way better BB IQ. If I remember it correctly he averaged double double in college.
Not mentioning Favors
Only meant that he can’t start right now, and will be playing backup, until he is ready. That is why for the next 6 months not much has change with the PF situation. On that topic too, we keep on talking about POTENTIAL, “HIGHER CEILING” whatever… The bottom line is what happens to that potential down the long road. To me it didn’t matter who we chose whether it was Cousins or Favors, its all about harnessing all that so called potential, and unfortunately, Nets have a very bad track record in that regards; hopefully with the new coaching staff, that will change. I mentioned it before, we keep on patting our backs for choosing Favors, and dont go back to history… Cousins has similar attitude as Kenyon Martin, Rasheed Wallace, KG, and yet they turned out right. Cousins did an phenomenal job in college, what is the reason why he wouldn’t do good in the NBA. And that attitude is what has been missing for awhile now from this team. I hope this decision does not bite us in the a$$ later. On the topic of Ryan Anderson, if we gave him the same chance we did with Yi, he would’ve developed by now, instead he also got stuck in Orlando playing 15 or less minutes- He had the same potential as Yi, with the major difference, of having a greater basketball IQ and attitude, which only meant that he is serviceable, and can learn, learn defense, and will only get better, instead we made him what he is today. Imagine if he had the same minutes playing as Yi last year.. Something to ponder on.
UHHH Kenyon Martin and Wallace
Were physical freaks as well as the crazy attitude, Kenyon Martin used to grab peoples shots from the air, their athleticism along with the fact that they were in good shape makes a difference as well.
What is your point?
You are just adding to my point.. Both Favors, and Cousins are the same if not similar in physical ability and potential.. With the main difference of the attitude as people has pointed out. Some people can argue that Tim Duncan was discipline and stable which added to his whole dimension of being the best power forward of his generation. The point is.. What do we do to harness these kids potential? and If I had a choice between 2 similar players, I’d go with what had been missing from our team for a while, not that it would matter since how we develop the player is the bottom line.. Harnessing potential!
Cousins' attitude is nothing like Kenyon's
It is the worst comparison ever posted on this site
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
he also may be the reason that the Nets aren't being aggressive to get a PF.
They know more than we do right now about where he is in terms of being a productive player. It seems like they want to free up as many minutes as possible for him, because no one on the market right now won’t stop him from getting PT. Fouls and mental errors are the only thing that can keep an athlete like that off of the floor.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well lets just hope so...
because just the mere thought of the Nets offering Scola a 5 year multi-million dollar contract makes you wonder about Nets real plans are or lack of confidence in Favors.
And I...
…agree with the article’s assessment. Outlaw’s deal should have been 3 years, not 5. But I think that Avery can get the best out of him so I’m not really worried, and after having to deal with Jarvis Hayes and Bobby Simmons at SF, Outlaw will be a breath of fresh air.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I like the Outlaw move
Young and athletic, but still a veteran with experience in a young developing Portland team. As you note he can stretch the floor which is a must for our primary scorers (Lopez and Harris). Flexible enough to move to the 4 in some sets (matchup against the Warriors and others who go small). A very good fit for the team.
And the contract is not a problem – unless he totally bombs, someone will take him with one or two years left at $7 mil per year as a 28 year old – it is a sellable contract that fits your 3 year window.
No doubt..
He’s not ridiculously overpaid. and it is a a year or 2 longer than what I’d like at the slightly inflated rate, but he is a good player with talent so he has value – no question. My hope is that he actually improves given this opprtunity. We’ll see.
It was Avery who wanted him
pushed for him.
That has been reported.
And note all four guys are western conference guys….guys who Johnson saw enough of in Dallas.
yep
This is why i am pretty confident that Avery already has a plan for all four of them.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Outlaw will earn his money
in the 4th qtr. We needed a 4th qtr go to guy. No one on the roster has proven to be that player. Avery also wanted a SF that was long and taller than 6’ 6"/6’ 7". The money does seem to be a bit much but I’ll hold off and wait to see him in Avery’s system as a starter before saying he’s overpaid.
Check out Mr 4th quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Z4nxdjpnE&feature=related
Yeah man
ppl forget what we had playing SF last year… Not to good
exactly
and don’t forget about the year before with Bobby Simmons and his 1000lb feet.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Lmao... Did he have the worst contract or what?
dude was just eating up 10 mil doing nothing
Lmfao can't argue that
does that put the Knicks behind the clippers as worst franchise?
Considering money spent and the market they are in?
People overlook how clutch he is in the 4th
the Nets need someone that has some guts to play tough in the 4th. How many games were we in last season and we collapsed because we couldn’t buy a basket?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking more that we lost all of those games...
because we couldn’t stop the opposition from scoring, hope his clutch also consists of steals, blocks and rebounds.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
well yeah, the defense was bad too
but you get the point lol
we will play defense this year.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugggh!
DollarBill ya beat me to it! lol The money we paid for Simmons compared to what he gave us was rediculous. I see Outlaw as the contributor he was picked up for.
Arguing if outlaw can hit fourth quarter shots is like reaaranging the deck chairs on the titanic! Both moves are minor. We failed to get a stud and a star. The Knicks are in better position b/c people like CPaul will want to play with him. Who wants to play with any Net? Unless Lopez or Favors busts out into a star, we will not attract big players. So, Morrow is great, but he is not bringing Paul. Mellow, etc.
Don’t worry. Once Melo and Paul realise that Brook Lopez is Tim Duncan sent back in time to dominate the NBA , that Favors will be better than Amare in his prime in 2 years , and that T.Will will get the best of D.Wade NBA for years to come ….. they will reconsider.
by strange-brew on Jul 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
who cares
we stay the course. Worrying and crying about players on other teams or spoiled brats that want to play on “superteams” won’t get us anywhere.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Exactly…
I don’t care about players who are signed to deals and already have thier eyes on the door. And besides I understand that CP3 was supposed to be part of the scheme Team in dallas. Be really wild if the Knicks send currys contract and Gallo and Toney douglas over for him to play 1 season Fully healthy and bolt to south beach…lol.
The NETS are coming!
Talent evaluation is spot on
I agree with ESPN Re Outlaw and Morrow
YOU KNOW WHATS MESSED UP ?
IS THAT WE ARE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT MORROW AND OUTLAW , WHILE THE KNICKS ARE ABOUT TO LAND CP3 AND MELO…. I REALLY WANNA SEE THIS MASTER PLAN THAT PROKY HAS UP HIS SLEEVE !
THE EAST ARE ABOUT TO HAVE 4 SUPER TEAMS IN
BOS- ALLEN, GARNETT, PIERCE**
MIA- JAMES, WADE, BOSH *
NYK- MELO, CP3, STAT***
ORL- HOWARD, NELSON, CARTER*
- NOT THAT SUPER BUT YOU GET MY POINT
- ON THE DOWN SIDE
- REALLY EFFING PISSED IF THIS HAPPENS
- DAMN-DAMN-DAMMMNNNNNN!!!!
- REALLY EFFING PISSED IF THIS HAPPENS
- ON THE DOWN SIDE
Tony Parker – Farmar
T.Will – Morrow
Harrison Barnes – D.James
Derrick Favors – AK-47
Brook Lopez – Petro
Believe in Proky!
by strange-brew on Jul 22, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately for the Knicks.
their pick will go to Houston next season if its #6 or higher and the Rockets will have the right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2012 unless the pick is the first overall.
Bummer for any trades, don’t ya think?
that is not true
the knicks have the assets to land either chris paul or carmelo anthony. imo if the knicks take back okafor by using curry’s expiring contract along with some of your young talent and chris paul’s desire to play in the world’s most famous arena, with his buddy amare, chris paul is a very realisitc possibility. paul and melo is a pipe dream honestly, but its possible. both melo and paul want to be in the mecca of basketball and everyone knows that. that isnt a secret.
why would the hornets agree to take curry?
the knicks is not the only possibility. just because paul wants to be in Ny does not mean the GM would take what NY is offering
okay
to explain this as nicely as possible, he is an expiring contract. we could take okafor.
no
the knicks have a ton of young talent. but taking back okafor really helps.
if the hornets are going to rebuild
you have no picks to offer. so what will you give them? Gallo and randolph?
and curry
If Knicks took Okafor then there wouldn't be enough to pay Anthony more than 10 million.
And KNICKS HAVE LITTLE TALENT ANYWAY BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR REMAINING 1ST ROUND PICKS FOR THE NEXT 6 YEARS!!
I predict 30 wins for the Knicks this year and no playoffs for next 5 years.
SAY WHAT!?
the knicks take back okafor by using curry’s expiring contract along with some of your young talent
Why would our young talent be included if you (the knicks) are the one that are making the trade with the Hornets?
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
why
dont you give the knicks some credit. they have had an awesome offseason.
awesome?…ok, not awesome…
Randolph was there best pick up…IMO
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Yea randolph not bad
I hate the Amare pick up. that contract does not fit well with that knee of his defense
considering
we got randolph, a guy with hall of fame skills you could argue that. or you could argue the five time all star too…. either way works for me. considering we signed felton whose going to be very very good in mikes system and is a legitimate pg for only 2 years is pretty incredible imo. also buike and turiaf bring toughness and grit, solid playes. knicks had a very nice offseason and they are not done.
i think nets are getting Paul
i would love that
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
**Knicks**
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
why
would u want the knicks to land the best pg in the game?
i dont know…i def dont want him on the nets…
it would make thing interesting …as a nets fan i would enjoy the challenge.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
why
wouldnt you want chris pauk on the nets? he is the best offensive and defensive pg and a top 5 player. hes a leader.
the last time we saw him
he looked like garbage because he has no meniscus in his knee. I hope you guys land Paul, combine that with your team’s insurer not wanting to cover Stoudemire’s deal, and you have some entertaining stuff
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
atleast you saw chris. didnt even see devin, that fragile pg of yours. paul is fine.
Paul has no meniscus
Go ahead trade your whole team for two players with bad knees, I mean I guess being the Knicks you have to win now and forget the future right.
he's better than any PG on your roster
and Williams would embarrass Gallinari
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Wanted to use that gif I’m arguing Randolph has HOF skills.
Amare is nice just hope he left the injury bug in PHX.
Felton’s a good signing. He’ll flourish in the system.
They did great with the David Lee S&T.
The team looks solid.
lmfaoooo oh no
Jamarcus. Dude is a nightmare
-100000000000000000000000000
Not really. Stat is not a hall of famer… stop it! Hall of famer means best at your position in your era. unfortunately STAT played in the same Era and Position as Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk, Paul Gasol. All of those guys have things in thier trophy cases. You know things like championship rings and League MVP awards.
And Randolph??? Where does he play? If Outlaw isn’t a PF at 210 Neither is Randolph at 210. So who sits Gallo? And they both play the same position as Melo…lol. Who is your SG? Starting center Amare or Turiaf? But you had a great offseason. You lost Lee and harrington (39 PPG) You havent replaced the scoring at all. Gallo wont be able to guard 3’s. Please STOP. And as for CP3 and Melo… Why would New Orleans and Denver want to help out players who desert them?
And Can we please stop with this Mecca of basketball stuff. The place is old falling apart and yeilded 2 championships 40 years ago…. STOP IT. The Boston Garden and LA forum have more stake to that name and both arenas have been replaced with newer more modern arenas and each has already yielded titles in the new buildings. And the Barclay center will be hands down the best indoor venue in the city.
The NETS are coming!
this is getting annoying.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
how old is parker? and who is harrison ?
ak47 ? seriously? plz!! i would prefer to run favors until both his knees fail! who the heck is harrison ?
and tony parker was relieved when he found out that devin got traded to jersey " im just glad i dont have to deal with him anymore, that guys a handfull" should tell you enough about the parker – harris comparisons!
proky betta kidnap cp3 and strap an exploding bracelet to him to prevent him from leaving jersey!!! or else the only big splash that hes gonna make is him, (with the help of jay-z) putting his foot in his butt then mouth and hopefully by then theyre in bk
Tony's like 28 29 ?
Harrison Barnes is the likely #1 pick at the moment in the upcoming draft.
this off-season was a frickin joke
boozer, bosh, david lee, scola, tyrus thomas, craig smith we straight missed on every body……..BUT WAIT WE GOT PETROOOOOO!!!!!!!
heres a thought
maybe thorn sabatoged us on purpose because he didnt get the contract he wanted…. anybody ever think of that ?
Lmao go on another blog
you obviously dnt see what the Nets are doing.
this guy....
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The biggest mistake was not to be more aggressive beyond going after the big three.
Proky/Avery should have showed more respect for DLee/Boozer and interviewed them in person right after LeBron.
If David Lee was already signed up in addition to the four players, then everything would have been fine.
If Boozer was signed up then media would be declaring a big victory for Nets.
Playoffs for Nets and Knicks would have lost Lee for nothing. Nets/Proky was too arrogant with his attitude about being a top 5 team wasn’t good enough.
why?
if they thought…and they do…that Favors is going to be better than any of the PFs, including Bosh, why spend all that money on Boozer and Lee?
To quote your own line, a championship level team needs 3 quality Bigs
(especially if they can fill in at Center). 96 minutes / 3 players = 32 min/player not counting injuries.
And when David Lee would be finishing his 5 year contract, he would still be 31, while Favors would be still 23 and ready to get enter his prime.
It would have been perfect, but that doesn’t even consider how Nets would have hurt the Knicks and start taking away their fans before Brooklyn. How do you value making the playoffs with DLee, getting good press and getting into the Knicks and NY fan base? Proky would have liked that.
Since Lebron didn't want to come here
there’s no need to waste money on those players. they wouldn’t put us over the top. It’s better to be patient, and see what we have with the young talent for now.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Knicks can get both outright without trades
If they let it just play out, they can let Curry’s contract expire and sign Carmelo to a deal next summer. Beyond Amare and Carmelo, they would not have another single contract on the books the following year. Depending on the level of the salary cap, you could be looking at a situation where the Knicks could then sign Paul to form a big three of their own, and fill out the roster with small salary types. Carmelo can just re sign with Nuggets today for more money and it could all be moot, or the CBA may throw a monkey wrench next year. But its not totally inconceivable if Paul and Melo are truly serious in their desire to play with one another. If they were to swing a trade for Paul and Okafor this summer, I dont think its at all possible to get Melo because Okafor would be an unmovable contract and would eat into their cap space.
This argument again?!?
“Sign Carmelo to a deal next summer”
Again, no big stars are taking less money to sign with either the Nets OR the Knicks. The only reason the Knicks got Amare is because they offered him the most guaranteed money. If Denver offers him an extension, he WILL NOT turn it down to take potentially SEVERLY less money next year in NYC.
“the Knicks could then sign Paul to form a big three of their own”
You are referring to the summer of 2012, when Amare will be how old again?
You are making a lot of assumptions that rely on a lot of dominoes falling into place.
Not happening.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
by BigTom on Jul 22, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude all i did was lay out a scenario where it was possible. And the Knicks can sign Melo to a deal next summer, it would be less than what Denver can offer him but it would be a lot, probably the max. The last onerous contract the Knicks have is Curry (and possibly Amare if he gets hurt or disappoints). And this is the last season of Curry’s contract. You seem very confident no stars will take less. Why are you so sure? Both Bosh and Lebron and Wade too, all took less this year. They are so filthy rich anyway the extra millions may not matter to them.
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Both Bosh and Lebron and Wade too, all took less this year. Lebron 6 years 110 MiL (16 mil less) Bosh 6 years 110 mil and Wade 6 years 107 mil…. Wow sure looks like 3 poor guys to me.
Given the way this is playing out owners are not happy overall. The CBA will end these types of deals. Melo’s last chance at money like this is to sign the extension and get Denver to trade him. And why would they do that unless they are BLOWN Away. The Knicks can’t blow them away. No picks and no “TONS” of young talent.
The NETS are coming!
agreed Tom
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 23, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Rebuilding with young talent
If favors develops that changes the whole landscape. ( btw nets can’t force guys to play here) everyone u names at PF was not worth throwing money at it’s obvious u just want a big name and ur not thinking about the future. And last time I checked the Knicks do not have melo or cp3 on the roster and have no picks to give up and little talent to give up to get CP. Alot of players want to play in LA but that doesn’t mean they can it is still up to the GM
we need at least 1 star player
we have none, now if potential won games we might be a second seed but last time i checked it doesnt
Look at the circumstances
The trio planned the move to the heat years ago, you really miss that we didn’t get Boozer?? You wanted to overpay for Staudamire with bad knees?? Staff didn’t feel David Lee would be worth the market value or would be able to play defense in our system and at the PF position…Then your angry we didn’t sign Craig Smith? Really?
ah...logic and common sense
mike28live, either take a look at this post, or head over to the Knicks forum, where the zombies who are easily impressed by big names could care less about making franchise crippling moves until they start crying 2 years from now about how bad the Knicks are defensively.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This offseason we got
Favors, Damion James, Morrow, Outlaw, Farmar, and Petro so far I mean honestly your mad at that, those are young talented maybe future all-star players right there (Meaning Favors and D-James).
and nwkkiddnj i thought this was a blog to
voice your opinion and thats what im doin…… so relax!
outlaw will make a great sf off the bench in the future.
if favors becomes close to what we hope…then we’re only a star sf away.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
We have WAY to many players that are on the same or close to the same levels. I think this is going to create a tricky problem. Someone is going to get their feelings hurt, lets jsut hope the team chemistry can make it past that.
TWill is the main concern, but I think Avery is just challenging him to be a better shooter and a wiser point guard and defender.
In the end, TWill should have chance to prove himself at 3 positions. There will always be injuries which will give TWill plenty of PT.
True
but hopefully this competition brings out the best in these guys. In terms of 2 deep:
Not a the biggest Harris fan – wish he was a better shooter and defender so that potentially starting TWill at SG could work better form an O poinnt of view. We’ll see. Farmar nice back up and can shoot.
I really want to see TWill succeed – probably as a SG because I would love for him to become a lock down defender on some of the best scoring 2s in the league (or as close as possible)., Let Lee and Morrow fight for backup SG – best shooter wins LOL.
I hope James does emerge as the starter at the SF. Liek what I hear about the overall ability on both sides.. Plays that tough D -and shoots. Outlaw, who will be here for a while (LOL) is the shooter at the SF of the bench. Which he is good at.
High hopes for Fvaors sooner than later – Hump the back up? OK for now. Lopez with Petro – OK lets see about a few minutes a night for Petro.
This will tick peole off but if Harris, Lee, Hump, Ross, and change coud get the Nets a 2 good payers like defender disher shooter PG and legit vet PF to help Favors I’m for it. But I realize that Harris can be rellay good -so lets see.
unless TWIll dramatically improved his shot
and we saw some evidence he has, some that he has not, he isn’t going to get a lot of minutes.
I think TWill will get more minutes as the season goes on. Avery wants a very structured offense and probably will find guys like Lee, Outlaw, and Morrow more conducive to his system at the start. However, I feel that the talent level of our wings will just not be good enough to win on a consistent basis, and then he will experiment with TWill. TWill will provide a game changing presence much as he did at the end of last year, and from that point forward, Avery will allow Terrence more minutes off of the bench.
TWill
can play ANY perimeter positions. That’ will help Avery find more minutes for him everywhere. A guy like can ONLY play the, which is a reason why I believe his PT will go down. Avery already said that TWill gives us a lot of options. He can use him anywhere in the perimeter, and his skill set is unique, we don’t have any other wing player who can gives us what TWill brings to the table. On the other hand, we have guys who can play D and shoot, so Lee’s strengths are not anything we can’t live without.
don't get me wrong
I don’t want us to trade CLee, just saying some reason why I belivee TWill will get more PT than him or Morrow
come on
I guess you think Evan Turner wouldn’t get a lot of PT because of his shot. Sigh. This is getting ridicuous.
Let’s compare Williams’ and Lee’s shooting numbers last season:
TWill- 0.310
Lee- 0.338
Yet, some here talk as if Lee was a sharpshooter and TWill couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn.
Not even
If brook becomes a 23-10 guy and favors become and Elite PF we dont need another superstar to compete just clutch shooters and a couple of guys that penetrate. dont really need a super star SF or SG. Look at the Spurs when they beat up on NY. we have an awesome bench right now. lets say favors is that guy to grab 12 boards and score between 16-19 a game and james ends up being a 16-19 a game guy we actually have a team that can compete with the orlando’s of the world
Brook can still get double teamed if they're weak at power forward
He’s a willing passer though he should get Favors some easy buckets around the hoop.
Brook’s 2010-11 stats
21 ppg 9 rpg 2.7apg 1.6bpg oh yeah.
does Outlaw play good defense?
Avery wanted him to stretch the D but from what James has shown he’s a scrappy player.
I think outlaw will average
15 ppg easy as a starter for us…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
This is my starting lineup
Harris
Morrow
Outlaw
Favors
Brook
i dont care if favors isnt ready…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
that sg is a huge question IMO
Do the nets want to start off with a good passer, a good defender or a good three point shooter?
that the question
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
imagine if we could merge them into one
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
personally i would merge Djames and T-will and say screw lebron
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We call them DARRENCE!
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
i think a good way to look at is
being happy we can go 10 deep. two units that can play hard on both ends of the floor and a second unit that doesn’t skip a beat when they come in. then we be able to see which guys are producing and alter the units accordingly
imagine something extremely witty here
something tells me harris and outlaw are going to play well together
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
why so? not saying your wrong just want to know why you think that
I REALLY WISH T-WILL HAD THAT OUTSIDE SHOT. SIGHS*
Well Morrow can just shoot too well. I cant see taking him out or leaving him on the bench.
As far as the final 2… Twill vs Lee, I really don’t know if Lee’s D is that much better to have him be in there over Twill(who’s D I expect to get better as it is under Avery). I like all 3 options personally, but Lee gets the short end of the stick…. UNLESS he starts hitting his shots. Then that really screws everything up.
i love t-will
but i dont think he and devon on the floor at the same time works to well
Its not showing the trade
but the trade was chris paul to the Nets Danny Granger to the Hornets and TWill and Harris to the pacers and it was successful
ill rather us trade no one
lol not yet atleast
That makes us stacked at PF , ohhh wait.
by strange-brew on Jul 22, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We give up 4 guys?
No way we give up T-Will Devin and Favors….Not when CP3 doesn’t want to be here…
The NETS are coming!
The Hornets will want to unload a bad contract and get two 1st-round picks back
in addition to Granger. They have at a year and a half to trade CP3. They would only trade him now if you blow them away. Besides, they have already emphatically stated they are not trading Chris Paul.
The dumb-dumb media are just getting everybody excited again because it’s good for ratings.
Paul is not going anywhere for at least a year.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
on NBCSports.com, Winderman rates Nets C- in free agency
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38353309/ns/sports-nba/
He rates teams that have done far worse significantly higher.
Starting 5
If the roster remains as it is now we all know there are only 2 locks, Devin and brook, every other position is up in the air. Outlaw will most likely start at the sf and will eventually give up time to James. Hump will start at pf, not because he’s the best option but because Avery won’t want to put that much pressure on favors that early. That being said, hump and favors will probably get the same amount of minutes in the beginning with favors eventually getting the bulk of pt. Sg is where it gets interesting, it’s between twill and clee, morrow for all his range is too one dementional to be a starter. Avery probably wants to start twill bit clee will start just cause he’s the safer option, however the court. Vision and basketball iq twill has is an asset to the team, so as his turnovers decrease his playing time will increase. Well that’s my opinion at least. Btw I think we net fans overrated clee a bit he’s just average.
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