Devin Reflects on LeBron, Mikhail, Avery and Seasons Past and Future
by Net Income on Jul 22, 2010 8:14 AM EDT
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Devin Harris was Nets captain last season and is likely to be again this season.
So he has a unique perspective on a number of things Nets which he shared with the Madison Capital Times Wednesday while taking a group of basketball campers to the University of Wisconsin.
--On LeBron James: "Wherever Chris Bosh decided to go, I think LeBron was taking it seriously, whether it was Cleveland, Chicago or wherever."
--On Mikhail Prokhorov: who he has yet to meet: "That's the type of owner you want to play for. Teams that do well have the owners that do the necessary things to go over the top."
--On Avery Johnson: "I've matured a lot since then and I think he is coming in with a different kind of mind-set. I think it will all work out for the best...I don't think he's ever had a post threat like a Brook Lopez. I think it will be a good change of pace."
--On the coming season: "I took less time off after the season and got to work right away. Years like last year really make you focus on working extremely hard."
- Harris teaches kids other side of sports - Rod Schultz - Madison Capital Times
- Devin Harris hosts local youth at Camp Randall - UW Badgers
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Yes, I was working on same story.
I don’t see how Knicks could compete with Nets for what NO would want.
I would give up TWill, Harris and any picks. NO would also want DFavors, but Nets would have to get back David West.
rather than deal
with the total speculation of a trade between the Nets and Hornets, which only a few Nets fans are talking out…not Paul, not the media…deal with what he says about the Nets. Harris makes some interesting points and the likelihood of Harris for Paul is limited, particularly since no one knows when (not if) Paul will need his next surgery or whether he is even back to his pre-injury self.
If we give up all that for Paul...
I will cry
Devin Harris may not be a Net, for long as Chris Paul wants to be traded NOW, according to CBS's Ken Burger
Unfortunately Paul wants to play with a Superstar and named Lakers, Magic and Knicks as the 3 teams on the list he gave to NO management.
I don’t see how Knicks have the ability to offer anything NO could want, and Knicks are already at the salary max.
Neither Harris nor the Nets
are mentioned in that article.
by Net Income on Jul 22, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
thank you. Everyone is talking about Paul as if we were interested in giving up the insane package he would require or as if Paul wanted to come to the Nets.
Here we go
Harris twill and two first rounders are not insane for cp and okafur
by Rawdawg05 on Jul 22, 2010 8:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We know, but the 3 teams mentioned would have a difficult time making a suitable deal for NO.
Unfortunately, Brook isn’t yet considered a soon to be superstar. Maybe the Olympics would help, but he hasn’t been getting much respect so far.
Says you.
the history of the NBA is filled with deals that no one would have predicted. Thats why GMs make millions of dollars.
Does he have a no trade clause?
Just wondering if the Hornets can just go out and get the best offer from any team, or whether they have to work with what he wants.
by eLonepb on Jul 22, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NO
Kobe is the only player with a no-trade clause unless someone this season got one. Dont know if he has a trade bonus either.
Dirk has one.
Dirk just signed one this year with the no trade clause.
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5393536
by NetsBall4Real on Jul 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you could do a review of the Assets the Nets have vs. the Knicks/Lakers and Magic.
Nets are only team with cap space, besides good draft picks and would probably maintain most of that cap space after making a trade with NO.
If Nets traded salaries of Harrris, Favors and TWill for salaries of West and CP3, Nets would be giving up 8.5 million in cap.
If Nets had Brook and CP3 and cap space, they could easily attract interest.
Personally, I be satisfied if CP3 went somewhere other than Knicks. I still have doubts about his knee.
The Knee-cks
Would have a ton of dangling injury issues to carry them into the future.
by eLonepb on Jul 22, 2010 9:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No meniscus
it wasn’t repaired. It was removed…so he could come back quicker.
If you saw him at the end of last season, you wouldn’t be so enthused. He had no explosion. Maybe he will get back to his former self, but he WILL need additional surgery. That has been widely reported.
I'de rather Rubio
He could grow up with Brook and Favors
this is why I could care less about Paul or where he goes
he’s a gimp
Gimps making max money shouldn’t be making public demands, they should shut up and be glad that they can make 15-16 million dollars a year. Hanging out with Lebron has him delusional.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Running and jumping with "no meniscus" is like...
…driving your car with no tires on the wheels.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 22, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
For some reason, the media isn't reporting about CP3's knee, and missing a meniscus.
The media and Hornets would have us believe that he hadn’t fully recovered last year, for the explanation for his lack of explosion.
No one has mentioned the need for further surgery, as far as I know. The media minimizes the need for Amare needing further surgery too.
All the recent reporting on CP3 is that he is too good to even consider trading without bringing back several good players.
Probably because people here are the only ones in America who for some strange reason think CP3 will never play a game again in his life. Everyone is talking about him and Amare being in suits and all that stuff. He will play, he will be great, get real!
Says You??
Thats because the media doesn’t care about the minute things, all about the glamour, the big names etc. Did you see him at the end of last year, when T-will owned him and his team?? That was a serious injury and surgery, to just think he will just come back and everything will be alright like its magic is ridiculous.
No one is saying CP3 will never play again
stop being extreme. All we’re saying is that you have to raise an eyebrow about his long term health and if he can still perform at a superstar level.
There used to be a basketball player that, to this day, was one of the most incredible talents that I’ve ever seen grace an NBA Floor, and he could have gone down as one of the top guards of all time if he didn’t mess up his knee. Now he’s trying to beg his way on the Miami Heat. If you are young enough, you might have worn his sneakers back in the day.
Knee injuries are not a joke
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
reporting the truth would take away from the sensationalism and hype for the story
do you know how much of a buzz kill it would be for casual Knick fans if they included detailed info about his torn up knee?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I really dont understand Nets fans.
I am not a big fan of Harris but to actually think that just because Paul wants to be traded we have to be ones to trade for him.
I am very skeptical about any trades for Paul. Health and that players option he has especially if the NETS arent on his list.
Lets be realistic people. The Nets have a VERY GOOD YOUNG CORE. Lets not over exaggerate.
Anyway, Let all these SUPERSTARS battle it out. I would be happy with competing for another year and hitting the lottery again. I want to further develop these young guys.
Future lineup of: (bold are the players that have potential to be STARS)
Harris(if not traded)/Farmor/Udih
TWill/Lee/Morrow
Lottery Super STAR SF(if we trade up)/Outlaw/James
Favors/Drafted PF
Lopez/Petro/Zoubek
I dont want Cp3 now, unless we can pull for him AND someone like Granger, I am just upset that we passed up on a lineup that could have been CP3, Amare, and Brook. Possibly Melo the next year because of that then. Melo, Cp3, Amare, Brook. Gah.
You would have paid Amare Stoudemire an uninsurable $100 million dollars?
Now I understand why you wanted me to shut up about injured players.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm with you bro
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh definitely
Green vest, white shirt, brown pants, that’s the full ensemble. Too much hair though.
it's frickin Quail Man dude...
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul is damaged goods. I am riding with Harris unless we can do that trade straight up. Paul doesnt even want to be here so why sweat him? Let him go to the knicks after they have traded chandler and gallo for him and see how he likes losing in nyc.
if David West is in the package
then I’d take the risk of giving up Harris, TWill, and whatever picks N.O. would want.
i know he's gone now
but Thorn stated early on or even before free agency that the nets were willing to gut the team completely, only leaving brooke [to hold it down if it meant bringing in talented stars who can yield immediate results. – imo].
i don't have the link
but i read that here on ND
Of course, there is also the possibility that the Nets can reshape their team through the trade market. With center Brook Lopez seen as an untouchable, Devin Harris and recently drafted forward Derrick Favors would be the two more likely to be shipped out, possibly together, since they are the most desirable assets the Nets have.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/07/04/2010-07-04_untitled__n4s.html
immediate results
this mantra that prokhorov has been reiterating constantly is really damaging the team i think. chris paul will yield immediate results, with questionable long term benefits.
if the nets were/still are willing to get rid of the 2nd and possibly 3rd best players on one of the worst NBA teams of all time, i think that qualifies as ‘gutting’ the team.
For the same reason we traded our 3 stars??
Financial relief, pie-in-the-sky hopes, and rebuilding? Odd concepts, I know…
And its funny how this speculation is only going on at this site, but Harris, TWill, and 2 1sts is too much for a liability like CP-Knee (see what I did there?). He’ll be a superstar like TMac and Shaq are… In name only. He won’t be the explosive player he once was.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 22, 2010 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
this
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
why?
@ NI
First, if N.O. were willing to trade with the Nets, and NJ had the choice of Okafor or West coming back then of course they look at West first. N.O. would likely ask for Favors, Harris, and draft picks. As for why they’d get rid of both their stars? Cuz if they get rid of one or the other, it almost guarantees that the one left behind is out the door sooner than later too. West’s contract runs through 2011/12. Of course they can trade both West and CP3 in separate deals to get even more value. But if the Nets threw in TWill, Favors, Harris…plus future 2nd rounders….would they be able to get a package like this from anywhere else?
Having said all that, I’m still not sure I do it if I’m the Nets…that’s a lot of “potential” for a PG who may not even be the same player. If it’s just Harris/Favors and future picks, then yes I’ll do it. Debatable to say whether or not the Nets are giving up too much.
Knicks would have to also give up Raymond Felton to get salaries to come close: 13 million vs. CP3's 15 million.
I doubt NO would take Curry under any circumstance.
NO would probably want any remaining first round picks Knicks have.
Come to think of it, maybe I wouldn’t mind Knicks doing that deal.
There would be a good chance that either Amare or CP3 is out due to injury/surgery or just too much pain to play at 100%.
After losing Gallo, Chandler, Felton and draft picks, Knicks would be an injury away from being worst team in NBA history.
Orlando could get it done.
VC + Nelson + cash (rich owner) + picks (little value as they are a contender)
CP3 + trash to close the salary gap.
CP3 will make Howard an offensive threat that he is not today. The total offense from CP3 + a more efficient Howard outweighs the loss of VC + Nelson.
NO gets a star (OK he is old) in VC to market. NO gets cap space and financial breathing room with a nearly expiring VC (only partly guaranteed for 2012 if I am correct). And a piece in Nelso that will allow them to move him or Collison to get another player.
And……old CP3 you do whatever it takes to get……new CP3 you only do it because you are oin the doorstep and can take a 1-2 year chance he will get you the title (Orlando)
I think the days of
VC= Star have passed. Nice guy but not an NBA star or marketable commodity any longer.
If ORL got CP3
Then the State of FLA would have the entire starting lineup of the 2008 gold medal Olympic team. They could become their own country.
if chris paul is following "lebron's model"
then the odds of him coming to new jersey are slim to none. his list didn’t mention newark or brooklyn.
the question i have is which team has the best core for Paul to step in and direct.
Orlando – Dwight howard, vince carter, rashard lewis
Los angeles – kobe bryant, pau gasol, ron artest
New York – amare stoudemire, ummm…
once again, i am in the camp that believes that NJ offers the best core in all aspects:
- youth
- health
- potential all-stars
- no where to go but up
- a great coach
it's a VERY different situation
LeBron was an unrestricted free agent. Paul is under contract for two more years. LeBron could do anything he wanted.
right
i should have clarified. when i say the “lebron model” i was thinking about that as a player making a move that puts a himself among other players more at their level of talent, productivity, personality, fame. thats what i thought it meant at least.
It's up to New Orleans though
If he demands a trade, they don’t have to comply with his wish list. They will be looking to get a TON back for him if they decide to move him. The three teams on his list aren’t likely to part ways with any of their own superstars.
... just the REST of the team
he wants to be like his olympic teammates. the fraternity of alpha zeta miami has made him realize that if lebron can walk away from the economically down-trodden city of cleveland, he can walk away from the hurricanes and oil spills of NO. and New orleans isn’t even his home town. i think Paul wants to play with at least 2 other great players. the teams he listed would have to pull a miami, getting rid of every role player and only holding onto the 1, 2, or 3 major ballers.
of course LA wouldn’t tear the team down on the chase for the 3-peat. Orlando is a season removed from the NBA finals, so they wouldn’t/shouldn’t either. I think the knicks are the only team in position to actually agree to this type of deal
Pg's usually don't fare well in the Lakers Triangle
Steve Blake and fish are far better suited for the Triangle than CP3 is. His best shot is Orlando.
The NETS are coming!
Paul has no leverage
He could get shipped to Minnesota if he keeps running his mouth
The Hornets need to show some guts. I would have been insulted by what he did at Carmelo’s wedding and made sure that if he wanted to play on a contender he’d have to wait two years to do so before his player option comes up, and force him, bad knee and all, to leave 17 million on the table in 2013.
Lebron being a free agent is one thing, but Paul seems to think that he’s in the driver seat. He’s not.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
New Orleans should make him sweat it out.
You don't need a superstar PG to win a championship. You just need leadership, defense and outside shooting from your PG.
The last time a superstar PG-led team won the championship was with Isiah Thomas the Pistons in the 80s.
I’m cool with Harris and I still believe he’s one of the top 10 PGs in the game. He’ll definitely will be better next season as
Avery will be the one coaching him.
What the Nets really need right now is a superstar scoring wing which they could get via trade (Anthony), draft (Harrison Barnes) or in free-agency 2014 (you know who). I don’t want to risk our teams future on the bad knee of a 6’0’’ flat superstar PG who hasn’t won anything.
by Air Force 1 on Jul 22, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Carmelo would be great
But I can’t see Denver giving him up. Plus, trading away all of our assets for him means we are suddenly not a contender anymore.
I agree with you under a few conditions
Leadership is the most important along with the notion or mentality that for this team to be successful Harris needs sacrifice his offensive game. He has to stop with the bad shots, avoiding pass the ball in the post, pushing the ball up court but not waiting for his teammates to fill in the lanes, and MOST IMPORTANTLY fix his PICK AND ROLL GAME.
Harris is very good, but he also needs to mature.
agreed
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Nets are in a good situation
They need to just sit back and let the market come to them.
by gsloots on Jul 22, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
There is a plan in place. We can’t have a knee jerk reaction every time some unhappy superstar wants to be traded. And besides CP3 doesn’t even include the Nets in his choice of desired places to play. Yes, the prospect of him playing for us is intriguing but at what cost?
exactly
Patience is a virtue.
Especially when it comes to trading away a potential super stud big man for a frickin five foot eleven and a half gimp
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
IF he's healthy
then this is exactly what you wait for, exactly why you conserve cap space and pile up draft picks.
My question is how healthy is he and how healthy will he be?
His contract runs two more years. If he’s healthy, then you make the deal. It’s a no brainer. The kid is 25, for God’s sake.
As you posted earlier,
it’s not if, but when, CP3 will have his next surgery. And unless knee surgery makes a major advance whereby it is possible to replace twhat is missing from the kid’s knee (stem cell, for instance, which is not happening soon), I prefer to go with Harris.CP3 needs intact knees to be effective.
Ideally we could wait out this season.
Even at the trade deadline I think we will have a better idea of the direction of the franchise. I want to watch Favors grow up a bit, see what happens.
Exactly
i think we aren’t excited enough about favors …. Idk if ppl understand what he can grow into
He can be on the same level defensively as d Howard if he lives up to his potential and he can be way better offensively
Not excited about Favors????
theyre comparing him to Amare Stoudemire and Chris Bosh publicly AND privately.
I am talking about ppl on this blog
there has been alot of favors bashing… Am I correct?
And both of those comparison dnt really fit well… At all! Lol
Wasn't watching bosh
d Howard and stat yess… So ur telling me u Agree with those comparisons? Come on!
He will b closer to dwight
Not stat or bosh
that's a good thing
added with the fact that Favors has a developing jump shot, and could end up being a more polished offensive player than Howard.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Im a big Favors fan
But let the kid play a game 1st. Comparing him to Dwight Howard, who at this pace will be a sure fire HOF and one of the Top defensive players of All Time…..lets relax. Hes got skills, does he have the intangibles……we dont know.
The bashers are the most vocal...
…but IMHO the silent majority is excited.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the only ones on here bashing Favors
are the same ones who wanted us to pick a fat slob that has the maturity of a 6 year old boy
Most of us are excited about his potential and will be rooting for him to improve at a solid pace.
I like the idea of having an offensive stud at center, and a defensive beast next to him at the 4. That type of stuff wins championships. Not poorly conditioned bigs that have food crumbs on the side of their mouths
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Favors looks to have more offensive ability than we were led to believe.
the kid is going to be good.
STAY THE COURSE.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
Devin is still yet to meet Proky? That seems a little odd.
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
Still...
It’s odd, is it not?
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
Jan Vesley
I really hope we get this guy.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I feel like devin can have another great year if he is healthy
But is he goin to defend this year? If he does we will have a really good defensive team when ever favors developed. This team is really athletic
Avery said
he has the potential to be an All defensive team player. He was one of the top defensive guards in the game when he played for Avery in Dallas. AJ won’t let him dog in on D. I expect an AS season from The Blur…
Yea I watch him alot
He played extremely well at a extremely young age defensively. But last year I did not see that at all… It could have been a product of the team defense but who knows
Not to make excuses but
it’s hard to come to an empty stadium and endure a season like last year. It’ wasn’t just the losing, the whole situation sucked. Defensive is about focus and intensity and I expect to see alot more of that this year, even if we only win 30 games.
I had no problem
with Kiki being fired the way he was or Thorn leaving.
No one is exempt from blame.
by Net Income on Jul 22, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Interesting comment from You, NI
And so said the old man!
rec'd
the absolute truth.
Thorn handled the Kiki situation poorly and it cost us an entire season of player development.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
May be true,
But if ur the captain of the team, that is a bad sign
Ive been thinking of a tradee the Hornets will nver will do
Nets get:
Paul
West
Hornets get:
Zoubek
Humpries
Williams
Lee
Uzoh
Ross
Picks 5+
Heres how it would work Nets absorb the 15.5million dollar contract of Paul with the 15.5 million in cap space while trading those six pieces of combined 8 millon they can aquire West who has about an 8 Million dollar contract.
Lineup
Lopez/Petro
West/Favors
Outlaw/James
Harris/Morrow
Paul/Farmar
That is a championship contenter or frontrunner if they can all stay healthy.
You posted a trade the Hornets will never do?
It really must be the offseason.
NO would have to be smoking crack to take all that garbage from us.
While we’re at it, we can resign Quinn, Hassell, and Hayes and package them to send to Denver for Melo…?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 22, 2010 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Umm...
What are the Hornets going to do with 6 extra players?
He was just a second year pro.
The pressure might be too much for him.
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Jul 22, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You would be sulking too if you had to deal with that garbage last year
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
“They’ll do whatever it takes to win and that’s the type of owner you want to play for,” Harris added. “A lot of times you are stuck by salary caps and so on. But the teams that do well have the owners that do the necessary things to go over the top.”
Take note.
let paul go to the knicks
nets can handle the challenge
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
We heard the same story
when they had Curry and Randolph together…
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 22, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm rooting for him to go to Portland
They have been linked multiple times and could give up Aldridge or Oden as part of the deal. They are the only other team that would be interested that could offer as much as the Nets. I guess if the Lakers gave up Bynum it might work. Why would the Lakers do that unless they thought his knees were shot?
Harris is a great man.
I really hope that he shuts down all the critics this upcoming season.
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
He needs another perimeter scoring threat
he did well two years ago because he was paired with Carter and had a number of solid three point shooters. A number of those three point shooters were hurt last year and Carter was gone.
Now, the Nets have replenished the deep shooters.
Its the offseason
Everyone is optimistic in the offseason. You have to see how he talks when they’re 8-15 in January.
If Harris did get better next season.
Is that good for him? It may just bring his value up for a trade right??
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Jul 22, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Now the Nets have shooters, a center, a solid role players
Devin will lead the Nets to the playoffs, book it.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 22, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the positivity..
We’ll hope for the best right??
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Jul 22, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Trust me, friend.
if even Nets fans are not optimist, then no one in the world will look straight at us.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 22, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
you forgot he scored 47 points or something just 1 and a half year ago.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 22, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I like devin and support him he may hve a great year
but he is no rose… If u watched the playoffs u seen it
Rose is an elite scoring point guard
You forgot the match last season between Harris ans Rose?
Harris beat Rose and the Bulls by the last turn around shot…
Harris could be the go-to guy, if he is healthy and has supporting cast.
He saved us many times in 08-09 season. Just don’t give up. He averaged 21 and 7 in 2008-09 season.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
HEAD TO HEAD ITS REALLY A TOSS UP.
WHEN HARRIS IS GOING WELL FEW IN THE LEAGUE CAN STAY IN FRONT OF HIM. And if the others are contributing its a toss up between he and derrick rose.
The NETS are coming!
Like I said I am a supporter of devin
but he is no Rose… Rose gets to the basket like a grown man. He’s been in the league for 2 years and averaged 26 and 7 against a very good defense in the cav team in the playoffs
Harris is no Rose
Rose is no Harris.
LeBron is no Kobe
Kobe is no LeBron
so what?
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 22, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo Williams and Anthony Parker
can’t guard this man, please.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 22, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I put my hopes high last season but obviously they failed me.
But i’ll never get tired of this team.. I hope that what we hope happens..
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Jul 22, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
it's a bonus
if Favors surprises us early next season.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 22, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Why can’t the Nets just stay the course, lets Paul goes where he goes? I think taking back Okafor would be a terrible idea.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
let him go the knicks
i could care less
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Well just curious to see how many are more worried that Paul will end up with the Knicks then think Paul is worth all he would cost?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
The Knicks would then would have two max players
with glaring knee issues. They can have fun with that.
We need a guy like Rose or Durant, who aren’t trying to piggyback like the cowards from the 2008 Olympic teams who don’t want to work hard for a title.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just using him as an example
because he and Durant said basically that they aren’t keen on joining up to form super teams.
Hard working kids that want to EARN their titles instead of being babies or playing games like James, Wade, Bosh, and Paul. It’s sad that the younger guys are more mature than the older ones. I’ll be rooting hard for those guys during the World Championships. At least they seem to get it
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Durant is like the dream player for everyteam... I really like that guy
very mature for his age
21 with a scoring title, can play sf or sg and grab 8 boards smh only if
sigh
it’s depressing. That is the kind of kid you want leading your franchise. His parents should be applauded because he maintains some type of humility and doesn’t act like an idiot. OKC is so lucky
Hopefully Derrick Favors can break out, because he seems to have those same type of qualities as far as being humble and wanting to put in work.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Rose is a beast. Good luck to the Bulls I hope that they knock Miami off
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And to Roses Credit...
He didn’t want Lebron. He was open to Wade and Bosh but didn’t think Lebron fit HIS TEAM. Kudos to him for not kissing up to him.
The NETS are coming!
for real
he probably already knew about the kind of crap he’d have to deal with if Lebron came there
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus, I question Paul's maturity at this point
The way that he has conducted himself this off season is questionable. Openly talking about going to other teams in public while you are under contract for Max dollars, and then demanding a trade in public?
He is coming off like a spoiled brat who sees that his friends down the street has some cool new toys, and he’s throwing a temper tantrum because he wants those toys as well.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Normally I see that point, but the Hornets really dropped the ball. They have done nothing for him, and he deserves better.
he's getting a max deal
Nothing is handed to you on a plate when it comes to championships.
he can rightfully demand that the front office work to get more talent in there, but going out in public, talking about going to the Knicks while he is under contract, and then making an outrageous trade demand, is classless and immature. If I were the Hornets, I’d send his behind to Toronto and tell him to chew on that for the next two to three seasons. I definitely wouldn’t send him where he wanted to go. these guys are a bunch of children. Hopefully Carmelo has been through enough controversy that he knows well enough to keep his mouth shut
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
There may be more to this then we know. He did take it easy at first saying the right things… then it got worse and worse, and now there is a new owner, so who knows.
he has a right to be disgruntled
But he is also coming off of injury, and he disrespected the franchise
He is not in the same position as Lebron James was when he started to screw Cleveland over. He can be humbled really quickly if the Hornets were bold enough.
they already have a nice PG behind Paul as is. I’d call up the worst teams and locations that i could think of and see what they’d be willing to send over.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly...
I’d trade him to Toronto so he can pay more taxes, Minnesota, or New York…the liberty :)
by TheMann2 on Jul 22, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is doing the same thing that JKidd did.
He’s sees they have not chance of winning for awhile and that they are not committing the resources to put the pieces around him so he wants out – I don’t blame him. NO has no incentive to trade him now because he is coming off an injury and most teams have to wait to trade the good assets. Things may change around the deadline especially if they are losing and Paul’s complaints get louder.
I don’t think you can run a team and let players dictate the results when he is still under contract for two years. If another team gives them a good deal they will take it or Paul can work with the Hornets behind the scenes so they can accomodate both parties.
Cap space, draft picks and young talent is exactly what they are looking for...
That is why we are accumulating all of them. Not for Paul necessarily, but if a team is looking to dump a star, we will be ready. Portland has Oden who some teams may want to take a chance on.
Listen folks we got picks...
How about we just chill and see how Killa Kyrie looks at Duke And see how Brandon Knight Looks at Kentucky. They both may be the Derrick rose John wall types. See what Perry Jones and Harry Barnes look like at the college level. Next years top 5 may be better than this years top 5.
Just hold tight!
The NETS are coming!
I love this
always support my net brothers that look draft 1st, FA second
We can always trade up as well if we land outside of the top 7-10
we’re good man.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
did u learn your lesson?
fa dont come to the nets…no one has no one will…
we get our players through draft and trade…
paul is not a player worth trading for because of his health issues
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Is that worth the risk? Worst case Melo goes else where, Paul leaves in two years and the Nets are stuck with Okafor. That is to much of a risk imo.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
thank goodness with have smart people running the team
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
How is that any worse of a risk then what we are doing now? If he leaves, then he leaves! So what! In 2 years you will all want Devin gone anyway so we will have to find a new PG regardless of who it is.
We are “stuck” with Okafor? So? Why dont we just get all the crappiest “affordable” players we can find so we can forever be a mediocre team that is just really really good at being cheap!
Cause all the players on the Nets that were any good are gone and now on the Hornets with the exception of Brook. And then we are doing this rebuilding thing all over in two years, I would rather get off the hamster wheel.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Whoever said anything about giving away those players.
Even if, whats to say we wont still be rebuilding in 2 years anyway? It looks to me like we will be, because we have no superstars. We will be rebuilding until we get lucky enough for one to come our way.
We most likely are stlll be rebuilding in two years without Paul. Its more what would the cost be? And with more then one team wanting Paul the price would be steep imo. Staying the course is the smarter move and we can draft our own star we can control for 5 years, not buy someone elses
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Who was the superstar in Detroit a few years back?
Its called Defense, Rebounding and Balanced scoring. A superstar just gives you something to brag about… Cleveland had a superstar for 7 years 2 MVP’s 2wo 60+ win SEASONS… NO TITLES… ZERO. EVERY SUPERSTAR EVER HAD ONE THING IN COMMON…. THEY ALL GOT DRAFTED AND CAME INTO THE LEAGUE VIA DRAFT. No one fell off the superstar truck. We have picks. And if we are night in the Playoffs they will be high picks. Food for thought Kobe Bryant… YES KOBE was selected 13th overall. Not 1st or 2nd… 13th….
Patience grass hopper.
The NETS are coming!
Kobe picked his team...
…the tail wagged the dog.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 22, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
let em know, MrBD
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I can name like 25 teams who waited around via the draft and still haven’t won, so I don’t see how waiting and seeing is the best rout. It needs to be a combination of both, and a lot of luck, but we need to remain aggressive.
yes
but there is a difference between being prudently aggressive and jumping out of a plate glass window head first
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
have you taken a look at Okafor's contract?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i would trade for Paul and David West
Okafor? hell no
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
and Favors is becoming a star in NO
That would be the worst case.
Why do I always have to agree with your opinion???
THIS
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Jul 22, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoa... U do not!
Trade favors in a trade with NO. not at all
I remember an article saying Favors is kind of a Trade chip..
I wonder what the King thinks about favors..
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Jul 22, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Once practice for summer league began which was after this, the Nets
stated that he’s a keeper.
I will be very upset
he and brook can be veryy veryyyyy special playing together
they will be
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Then let the games begin..
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Jul 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It's time for "The Blur" to return
Good to see that Devin is focused about coming into this season. I expect a solid year from him.
Hopefully Avery can devise a way to get the best out of Devin’s driving abilities while keeping him on the floor.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I'm worried
Devin didn’t give as much B.S. about re-dedication to his game as he has in past off-season interviews. I hope he doesn’t regress further. It’s still early so he can start preaching about playing defense again when we near training camp.
his actions on the court will speak louder than any interview
If he is taking the lead on defense, and playing disciplined on offense, you can add about 10-15 wins to any prediction that you may have for the Nets win total this season.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
I was being sarcastic as Devin always talks a good game in the off-season and then does little to follow-up those words. My point was that his interviews are pointless until he starts following it up on the court.
The fact that he was already starting to work...
…and he has been working in ATL with Derrick Favors, gives me good vibes.
Devin is really the difference between us easily qualifying for the lottery or fighting for the 8th spot. I’d prefer the lottery, but man would we turn some heads if we made it in.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
This team needs one more young piece if it wants to mold into a championship contender. Although it would be nice to get these young guys some playoff experience it would most likely result in a first round exit in no more than 5 games.
Best case scenario would be having a decent season and getting lucky (like the Bulls did with Rose) with the lottery.
Hmmm......
…..adding more talent via a lottery pick in the draft, or being forced to bite the curb in the first round by Miami?
Hmmmmmm………….
biting the curb…..adding more talent……
it’s a tough choice.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
does 2010 draft have any resonance on you lot?
How’s that John Wall thing working out, “with a little bit of luck”? I’ll take the 1st Round Departure please, with a side of in season trade.
If favors becomes
the guy we think he can be… We are better with him than John wall… And I really wanted John wall
you have the wrong idea
if we land a top 10 pick that adds another possible solid piece to this team.
We’ve landed Lopez/Lee(since Anderson turned into Lee), Williams, and now Favors and James. Assuming this year’s rooks don’t crash and burn, which i doubt, we’re on a roll as far as the draft is concerned.
I’d rather roll the dice again instead of a demoralizing beat down from Hollywood Lebron James
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Just what we need in Newark
Another Drug Dealer… Bad Idea. Zack Randolph is one of the reasons we didn’t draft Cousins.
The NETS are coming!
It seems
every time I saw a box score he was scoring 25 and getting 15 rebounds last year. I don’t care if he smokes weed or not, he can play
and if you hit his phone after the games...
…you could probably get it for a good price
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
he would be the perfect compliment to brook, and then we;d have favors coming off the bench, thats craziest.
not crazy about his attitude
nice stats, but we need the environment here to be positive.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just
thinking that maybe the Nets could get him for a short term contract, I dont really know. It seems every player has something that is wrong. I remember him with the Knicks and he was good with them too. I thought he was their best player
Yeah but...
I think He just got busted maybe 2 months ago for financing a big time drug ring in Indiana. From what I remember he’s possibly facing Federal time, unless there’s been an update since then. No thanks.
by TheMann2 on Jul 22, 2010 2:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We should....
“stay the course”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
@Andres B and anyone else that is interested
I don’t know if you had read this but HoopsWorld has a article about the Nets in Orlando SL.
Grades us with a B+ also praises T-Will.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16890
apologies if this had already been posted
owner needs to meet his players
how has that not taken place yet?
i’m waiting for prokorov to start unzipping from the top of his head to reveal 7 cats standing on top of each other wearing a costume.
dude has to get to ny/nj and figure things out. whats so good about russia/turkey anyway???
Ever see a guy say "goodbye" to a shoe before?!
It's July.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
devin will have a career high in asssists this seasn
BOOK IT!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Harris is going to be great next year, just watch and see
I think he is going to return to all star form. I hope we can enjoy success with him. Harris is one of the fastest PG in the league and he needs 2 get back to being one of the better ones defensively.
One more thing
nets need a little upgrade in the uniform department…
i really dont like those red away jerseys…i think they are ugly. I think nets will surprise us with new jerseys…remember its all new…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
We've had red uniforms before Yi was even a thought in our minds
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Who to start at SG?
Clee/Twill/Morrow
not a bad problem to have
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
and heeeeeeereee we go
I opt for Lee, since he is the better defender out of the three and should shoot at a decent clip this year from three.
expect a post from kv, stating that Williams will be glued to the bench for 82 games.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
T-Will can not start at the 2.
You need to spread the floor for Harris and Brook. You need someone who can knock down the open 3. It’s bewteen Lee and Morrow and I would opt for Lee because he has a better all-around game.
this
the only way we could get away with starting Williams at the two on this roster is if Harris was a knock down 3 pt shooter. He’s not.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually see it as a problem. You have to figure the starter is going to get at least 24 minutes per game …. so that leaves quite the mad scramble for minutes between two good players that bring something of value and they also need time to develop as players.
I’d rather see them move a SG now. Let the competition reside with the starter and backup. If the starter isn’t playing well , go to the backup player more , if the backup player isn’t playing well either , give the minutes to Ross (the ride the pine vet). And if he isn’t playing well , you play Farmar out of position and give the minutes to him.
by strange-brew on Jul 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
-1
All that instead of just simply keeping the extra SG….lol. Silly. Actually I say trade Ross as soon as we can. He is too old (29) and hasn’t torn up the league we can create a defensive specialist under 2…lol. T-Will is a great utility guy who I wouldn’t trade his value will prove imensely WHEN other dudes star getting hurt.
The NETS are coming!
i'm pulling for morrow
i think he gets starter minutes he’s a 20ppg scorer. he’ll make it almost impossible for teams to double brook. devin will be able to drive the lane more freely and score or kick it out
imagine something extremely witty here
he'll have to defend though
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
especially if he doesn't return to his pre injury form
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
why should I?
I’m not impressed by popular names, but what that person can do. If Paul is running bone on bone, it is an issue. Maybe you’ve never had a knee injury before, but having your meniscus removed is a serious issue. This isn’t NBA 2K10, it’s real life
About having your meniscus removed:
The unknown here is long term results. We know that removal of all of the meniscus (total meniscectomy) often leads to osteoarthritis of the knee, especially of the involved compartment. What is not known is the long-term effects of partial meniscectomy, the typical case with arthroscopic surgery. It is generally felt that the incidence of late arthritis is proportional to the amount of tissue that is removed. Other factors such as genetics, family history of osteoarthritis, activities such as high impact (long distance running, jumping sports, labor intensive activities, etc.), and co-existing problems within the knee, all influence late arthritis. More needs to be learned and researched regarding late effects of meniscectomy. In general, large losses of meniscus typically leads to increased loading of the surface cartilage with its wear, with subtle changes of knee alignment, increasing the forces on the cartilage further, which generally leads to premature wear and progressive destruction of the joint. This is an insidious and subtle process that may take many years or even decades.
Paul’s game is heavily reliant on his explosiveness. If he loses that, or has already lost it, that’s a huge step back for his career and any team that has him on their books. You’re not going to want to be stuck on the books for max dollars with Chris Paul at 60% of what he used to be.
But you can just focus on the name, and not the reality of the situation if it makes you feel better. Even Knicks fans on the other blog are wary of this, and they’re usually braindead.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Your basically telling me then that he wont play again. CP3 as we know him is gone.
I am a PT, I know exactly what his situation is. He still has 1 meniscus left first off, and he very well could completely heal for next season. Micro Fracture surgery is a possibility but by no means a guarantee. Given the fact that he has the best in the world working on him, and that he is a PG, I have no doubt he will be fine. Its not like he is a big time dunker, he is crafty, and can shoot. He will probably have to make some adjustments to his game, but I see no reason why he cant do that, because the best always do. Its not like we are talking about Devin here, CP3 is the best PG in the world, and to take this as the end, well I just don’t agree with that.
I never said that he WOULD NOT PLAY AGAIN
I am saying he may not play at the same LEVEL again
And Deron Williams may take issue with that statement.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sure he would, but every year CP3 has better numbers across the board. I actually like Derron better as a player because he is bigger, but I cant deny CP the crown.
..And if you didn’t say that, and now your saying he “may” not play at that level again, what level are you saying he will play at? My point being when I said he was the best in the world, is that I see him having no problem adjusting. He didn’t get that good just by talent, there is so much more to it. I have a strong feeling that he can adjust and change his game in whatever way he needs to to get by. There are plenty of amazing PGs without explosiveness like Steve Nash, who get by just fine. Im looking at this with the options of, A- he cant adjust and his career takes the rout of Penny, or B- he figures out how to keep playing at a high level.
I wonder...
If the injury is pushing him to want to get with a great team now. Any chance he feels this season on a weak team with him having to be great and not being able to will start to destroy his future value – his ability to get to a great team and to sign his next/last big contract?
Woaaa Buddy....lol
The Best PG in the world??? How many Chips does he have? How many MVP’s? Right that’s none and none…lol. Steve Nash is the best point on the Planet to me.
The NETS are coming!
Get over it??
We’re not fussing over a stubbed toe here… The guy got part of his knee TAKEN OUT. It’s a big deal. And when you people are insisting on giving up 2+ vital pieces of the future of this team for that type of risk, I breathe a sigh of relief that you don’t work for the Nets front office.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont want CP3 if it means giving up Favors and getting West or Okafur
Favors is too valuable. Devin is a good PG. No big time PG has led a team to a championship. It takes 1 or more post players to score insie, rebound, and play defense.
Fisher Lakers Shaq Gasol
Parker Avery johnson Spurs Robinson Duncan
BJ Amrstrong John Paxson – Rodman Grant – Jordan was used in post exclusively in the playoffs
Billups Detroit Rasheed and ben Wallace
Rondo Celtics Garnet Perkins Powe
Jason williams MIA Shaq
Oh jeez.
Again for the twentieth time Favors is a project. His ceiling is very high but people are assuming either he will reach it or assuming he already has it. His ceiling is matched by his risk and he could very well ending up busting.
Saying he’s valuable is out right ridiculous. No one is immovable on the team except for Brook.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
He's not valuable?
Ok I think we heard enough from u
Very, very mature.
If you think an undeveloped raw 18 year old with high risk has any value then I think we’ve heard enough of you.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Honestly
The franchise is counting on favors. If he is a super star player, to keep it real we won’t need a super star at one of the wings… Just good defensive players lot of shooters and couple of guys to create they own shots and honestly we’ll have a team with the ability tonwin championships
What if he busts?
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Umm... What of Chris Paul blows his knees out and never plays again
every project can be a bust… I tell u one thing he will be good defensively no question
Umm...Chris Paul is established.
Favors is not. Putting an injury in this argument is a straw man fallacy which is by far the most annoying things on the internet.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
And that didn't answer my quesiton at all.
If you bothered to read it.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Paul?
Yeah, it’s serious. That’s not the point of Favors being a high risk/high reward player and treating him as such.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
In my eyes
Paul is riskier player, considering his injury and the fact that we already have an allstar point combined with Favors upside which the coaches who see him everyday feel is very high. Remember these guys played basketball and been in the game 4 a real long time, for them to take him out of the trade chip category must mean they see a lot in the 19 yr old, all I’m saying.
If he is a bust you move on
just like every other team does. You don’t trade sky high potential away. Lmao I still can’t stop laughing " no value" lol hahaha
Aren't u the guy that said favors has no value?
stop talking already lmao… Clue-less
Yea we would look alot like the early spurs
i think Avery would love that…. Twin towers
I guess T-Will and Avery are not as bad off
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wow everyone is hating CP3 cause he wants to join his buddies
hey maybe things would have been different had we sign amare but oh well we made our bed time to sleep in it. can’t hate that the man wants to go to NY and the knicks and will lead to Melo following.
This is the new NBA and Boston big 3 set the example. Lebron and company are following suit.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
Boston was done via a wink wink deal between two old Celtics
Miami was done via 2 years of collusion and backdoor tampering.
and Amare’s contract is uninsurable for a reason. I wish Net fans would stop talking about why we didn’t sign him.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Lmao us sign Amare? God no
my boy from espn radio says it best. AMARE DOES EVERYTHING THAT IS USELESS IN THE PLAYOFFS DUNKS AND PLAY NO DEFENSE
This is goin to destroy the NBA
4 or 5 elite teams every year is not a good thing
no it's not going to destory the nba
this is just the new way.
either get down or lay down.
roll or get rolled over.
teams crying about the Heat and other teams getting the best players. boo freaking hoo.
Build a team get out there.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The Killa Misses IT totally...lol
There aren’t enough Stars to go around as it is. Simple math here guy….
As we discussed here there are Maybe 10 Bonafide STAR players in the League. There are 30 Nba Teams. That already would leave 20 teams bad off. But when 6 of the 10 are on 2 teams that leaves 24 teams bad off. So maybe the other 24 teams close up shop. That’s not bad for the Nba?
Sports in general tries to sell fans on the fact that everyones team has a legitimate shot to win. So we fans get excited we root, we proudly buy memorbillia and we show up to games. What do you think happens when your Legitimate shot goes away? Your fans stop spending money. Do you think people in Cleveland, Toronto, New Orleans, Denver, Minnesota feel? You think they are excited about the future of their franchises???
Not a good thing. We can just hope the rest of the players and owners take these challenges and step up and compete.
The NETS are coming!
Win Now or Win Later
Do you trade away your future to put together a team that has to go through the Lakers for a few more year, the Heat for a good many years, and whatever new team emerges?
Or do you take those teams on as their main players hit their 30s and our young core is hitting their prime?
I choose option two, let someone else mortgage the future for Paul, and hope to add another young piece (Rubio) to Favors and Lopez.
by gsloots on Jul 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I choose option two
Gsloots, once again, making sense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
there's a handful of teams at the bottom of the barrel every year,
say, the Clippers, and what has that gotten them? Nets, the Clippers East.
You can't say that
We competed for championships seven years ago, hit our peak, and began to rebuild. The Clippers have been in rebuilding mode for as long as I have followed basketball.
Can we get a clarification?
Did the surgeon take Paul’s ENTIRE meniscus or just the part that was damaged?
I read that the entire thing is gone
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why isn't the media reporting on Chris' surgery every time they mention his name?
Seems that ESPN and others want to build him up his value for more sensationalism.
I can’t imagine any team (except Knicks) wanting to overpay for CP3 without seeing him play again.
Not sure if it was reported that Paul is considering Portland and Dallas now, according to Broussard.
And the Knicks can’t trade Raymond Felton until December, so I don’t know how they could satisfy NO with players or cap space as I doubt NO would want Curry.
no one wants curry but for a franchise that is going through what we went through
curry contracts expire.
the same way we took bobby simmons battie and other expiring contracts I can see them doing the same thing.
Paul is basically saying send me to these team if you don’t it’s cool I’ll still find my way to NY. So sooner or later I will get what I want.
can’t hate or be mad at dude for going for his.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
NO is scared because CP3 may lose his trade value if he can't play like his old self this season.
Otherwise, I don’t think NO has to worry about 2 years from now.
Maybe CP3 will realize how bad the Knicks are, once the season starts, and he won’t want to go there.
Once the season starts, CP3 would have no choice but to give it 100%, or else his value drops.
All I know is that Nets are best off forgetting him. Nets have been damaged too much trying to recruit so call superstars, while saying players like David Lee wasn’t worth an interview from Proky.
Jerry this is different
Free Agency vs. Trade. He doesnt have a no trade clause. You think JKidd wanted to play here before he was traded here? If hes available Billy King should be on the phone right now…..
That is exactly why NO won't trade CP3 to Knicks, as I am saying. They could get more in return elsewhere.
Once CP3 was with another team for 2 years, he would be likely to remain with that team.
Regarding Nets, we have been discussing CP3’s knee. That is a Big question mark and can’t be answered until he plays again this season – and even then, he might need another surgery.
It doesn’t hurt to listen to NO’s demands, but if Nets lose out once again on a PF because of delaying, it would be a mistake.
he doesn't care about that
he wants to join his buddy forge the new trio
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He may not have a choice
Just because you want to go somewhere doesnt mean he will end up there. The Hornets have the power here- hes still got 2 years left on his contract. Not 1. And people change their minds all the time. And 2 years is a loooong time.
Im willing to bet he does NOT end up in NY. They dont have the tradeable assets to get him and 2 years from now who know what Amare will be. Just saying…
yea but the plan is this
he will be where he want to be sooner or later.
I see him with the Knicks.
Just from the company he keeps and etc.
Heck two weeks ago we hear we reports about Chris Paul Amare and Melo toasting to a new big three in NY.
Yesterday it’s announce CP3 wants to be traded and he list the Lakers and Magic with the Knicks at the top.
come on man it’s right there.
Dude is represent by the same people who represent Lebron you think they aren’t telling him the same thing they told James.
Hey I can’t hate because I remember a saying from the show “The Wire”
“it’s all in the game”
So don’t hate the player, hate the game.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But Why would NO want to oblige CP3?
He turned his Back on them….
You know what Chris??? You want out cool…
The New Orleans Hornets Trade CP3 and Okafor to
The Minnesota Timberwolves for the rights to Ricky Rubio, Kevin Love, Brian Cardinal and 2 first round Picks…
Kick Rocks Chrissy… 2 years is a long time in Minny with Kahn.
The NETS are coming!
We took Simmons because we wanted Yi and were rebuilding and didn't know how bad Simmons was.
Why would NO want to give up CP3 for nothing (by taking Curry), when there could be 4-5 other acceptable teams offering more than Knicks for CP3?
I'm maybe a Nets fan
but really I want to see the Knicks put together this melo cp3 and amare squad. Just to see how it responds to the Heat.
I think that will be great basketball,
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
The Knicks CAN'T have the cap space to sign all three. That is what makes it so funny.
Amare will be making too much next year (18.2 million) – much more that LeBron will be making this year.
Knicks would have to tear down team just to get Paul. As I wrote above, they can’t offer Felton until December so its not likely NO would be able to get enough from Knicks. Knicks would have to give up any remaining 1st round picks too.
Melo is likely to re-sign with Nuggets anyway. His offer is too good considering that he would have to take a huge cut to play for Knicks since the salary cap won’t be high enough. And to get Melo, Knicks would have to tear down team a 3rd time. Curry would have only 11 million coming off, but he might have to included just to get CP3.
I wouldn’t mind seeing CP3 in Portland, a team he would consider.
Perhaps CP3 is looking for a trade because he knows he will not be the player he once was.
I think he wants to be traded
Because he sees that his team isnt good enough to get to the next level.
Because he just saw LBJ, Wade and Bosh form a Super Trio
Because they just changed ownership and he sees an opportunity
Because he just changed marketing firms (signed with LBJ’s team) and you see how they do things……
Nothing to do with his injury. Of course it would be good to see him in action before u trade for him, to make sure hes healthy. Of course if hes healthy…..trade value would only go up. Hes that good. We should go after him- no brainer for me…..if healthy. Superstar, young (25) would potentially bring other stars later and will make everyone on this roster better. Think Lopez is an All Star now, imagine if he played with CP3 (ask Tyson Chandler…no where near the offensive skill set that Lopez has)
There is NOT going to be any way to know if he is going to be healthy this season or beyond
CP3 is an Injury Risk – He and Amare deserve each other, in that regard. Both Amare and CP3 will very likely need surgeries. That makes them PAST Superstars, with no indication for future.
Knicks are only team that don’t care about their health, because Knicks want to bask in the glory of the Media once again – for as long as it might last.
The funny part about CP3 and Amare is that not enough attention is being paid to their knee problems, by the media. That is intentional, I believe.
you are aware that reports today
that people close to melo are saying he will not sign the extension because he wants to play in NY.
If Melo wants to be a Knick they will find away same way with the Heat and their trio
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Too difficult to accomplish. NO and Denver don't HAVE to make any decision at this time. NO and Denver don't have to work together to satisfy Knicks.
Once the season starts, without any trade made, reality will set in.
Maybe CP3 will be mediocre. Maybe Knicks will stink. Maybe Amare will be injured in pre-season (I kind of wished he was wearing himself out for Team USA).
no reality won't set in
dude has lebron people in his ear he knows where to go
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Which makes you ask the questions
Who is advising Paul and telling him to put New York on the list? Spike Lee.
Why would he want to go to the Knicks when they couldn’t put a winning team around him yet?
See he goes to the Knicks and to trade for him they are left with no draft picks, little cap space, and no young talent. Amare is not enough.
Paul himself wants to go to NY
I don’t think anyone is really advising him, I think he just wants what the big three in Miami have, thinks the situation is similar which it is not, you can’t just get anything you want.
oh cry me a river
this is just sports. this isn’t my life. Life will go on despite what the Nets do or don’t do. I love the team but I love basketball more.
I’m not about to cry because the Knicks took a gamble that has paid off.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
U keep saying it paid off
Like they already signed these guys. Do u kno suttin we don’t ?
You can't read?????
I mean it’s be rumors now it’s proving to be facts.
CP3 is actually trying to force his way to the Knicks. Name the last super star who is dying to go to the Knicks?
Man it’s right there
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
Just because he wants to be there doesnt mean he will be there
Man, oh man, if it was that easy.
CP 3- I want to go to Knicks
Hornets Mgmt- Ok CP3 well send you there for a bag of chips and a coke and Eddie Curry …
CP 3- thanks for doing me that solid.
LOL
as i said they
can either trade him and he gets there or he waits two years.
At the end of day he will get what he wants just like James Wade and Bosh
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Do u know how to think?
for it to pay off it has to actually happen don’t u think ? Smh simple
its already paying off
super star players want to come to the knicks
when the last time that has happen.
yea i thought so
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of good discussion here about Devin discussing the past and future.
Way to stay on topic, team!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 22, 2010 7:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
devin not worth discussing
hahahahahah serious though cp3 vs devin not a contest
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
Your right
One is seriously injured malcontent who threw the GM who gave him a max contract under the bus and is now publically aggitating for a trade to “his” selected list of teams even though he has two years left on his max deal.
you want to ask the GM's which player would they likely have
Devin is a good player but Chris Paul name speaks for it’s self.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 22, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes the magical "name" that speaks for itself....
That is why GMs get fired. They trade for the name and not the player.
A healthy CP3 isthe #1 or #2 in PGs on the planet. I am not certain that a bum knee malcontent CP3 at $16 million per year is better then Devin Harris at nearly have the price.
Agreed...
Devin’s Highlight Reel is pretty impressive as well. That whole NO offensive system was built around CP3… Why do you think CP3 loves Byron Scott? Because its set up to inflate Pauls #‘s. Why else did ROOKIE Darren Collison step right in and put up the SAME numbers???
I think Devin would put up the same numbers in that SYSTEM.. You think the Lakers would abandon the Triangle offense that’s won 11 titles to apease chris? (BTW Matt Barnes just signed for 2 years with the Lakers) SMH.. They quietly are getting better..
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