Nets Tried to Buy Pick To Take Tiny Gallon
by Net Income on Jul 20, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
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PrintThe Racine (WI) Journal Times reports, at the bottom of a column on the Bucks' off season, that the Nets tried to buy a pick in the second round to take Tiny Gallon, the 6'10", 320-pound Oklahoma PF.
"The Nets were hoping the Bucks didn't take Gallon with the 47th overall pick," reports Gary Woefel. "They had a deal in place with Miami to acquire the 48th pick." However, the Bucks beat the Nets to Gallon and took him at #47.
The Nets were known to be interested in Gallon who dropped precipitously on Draft Night. In the Las Vegas Summer League, Gallon averaged 6.6 ppg, 7.4 rpg but shot only 36.8%.
- Bucks looking for backup point guard - Gery Woelfel - Racine Journal-Times
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That means Gallon is going to be the steal of the draft
Another just miss by Thorn like Arenas
In my humble opinion Derrick Caracter looks to be the steal of the draft. Taken 58th by the Lakers, he was terrific in SL play.
He may be available. (And it remains to be seen if he can get his shot off in the league, as he has very little elevation.)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's keepin count how many players the Nets missed out on Summer '10?
so far, i got the following:
1) LeBron
2) Bosh
3) Boozer
4) D Lee
5) Craig Smith
6) Wall
7) Evans
8) J Johnson
9) R Gay
10) Brewer
Lets face it, without Thorn & Kidd, the Nets’ rep is back to the bottom of the barrel. No one wants to come play here, forget about Prokhrv and his billions or Jay-Z, thems garbage.
I can't take this seriously.....
You listed Craig Smith, Ronnie Brewer and Evans??? You probably meant Evan Turner.
Lebron and Bosh chose Wade and eachother. Boozer used us for leverage choosing 5 more mil without giving us the chance to Match.
What we did get..
Farmar, Morrow, Outlaw, Petro, Favors and DJames. All locked up for the next 3 years and will Cost Less than Chris Bosh.
No one on your List has a Ring yet Farmar has 2. That’s got to count for something.
The NETS are coming!
sorry, but I disagree 100% with you
How do you miss out on players that you never had a chance to get, or intended to sign, in the first place?
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by MrDollarBills on Jul 21, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Threw away a pick? How do you know Atlanta was willing to do a trade for only the 27th?
I don’t think you can make a case that we aren’t looking like we got a total steal in James
I'll take Damion James, thank you very much
Atlanta can keep the change
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
cuz they traded away 31 for cash...... a few of us have been pointing that out since draft night.
coulda just given the hawks some cash.
Ohh please.
You can’t be serious about that argument. Of course they would have done it. Especially considering how 2 of the 3 guys from pick 27 to 30 were complete reaches and the 3rd wasn’t the best big left on the board.
The Nets could have easily had Gallon if they really wanted to. Trying to get him at the 48th is a joke.
I know it because it makes more sense then by some miracle Hawks missed out on a player they wanted with 3 picks
If that were the case why didnt the Hawks and Nets discuss that possibility with the original deal.
-Hey Hawks, i want the James the 24th pick,
-ok we want Crawford and the 31st pick.
-Ok done deal.
Instead it should have been
-Ehh, how about Crawford and cash instead.
-Nah, we want someone at 31st that we like?
-Really, what if he is taken between 27 and 30 (as unlikely as that is)
-Ok then, if he is taken, we can sell the pick back to you.
So you were in the room?
how in God’s name can you suggest anything even close to this conversation took place?
This is silly….just plain silly, setting up a straw man.
You dont know enough to establish any of these suppositions.
I'm actually suggesting that this conversation or anything close to it DID NOT take place
Because if it did, we would have had a 2nd round pick.
According to the Hawks blog...
Here is where the draft ties into ASG’s thinking. The Hawks traded down with the belief that Jordan Crawford (he needs a nickname, right?) would still be there at No. 27. They liked Kentucky’s Daniel Orton and would have taken him with the No. 31 pick but he went 29th to the Magic and they didn’t like any of the other centers available. So they sold the No. 31 pick for close to $3 million, and that money could help offset their potential luxury tax bill and also the hit they would take for missing out on the tax escrow rebate.
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/07/01/atlanta-hawks-why-asg-wants-j-j-back-even-for-the-max/
by head_hunter on Jul 20, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK then, so
A) Why didn’t the Nets work that detail out before trading that pick. Orton was projected to go in the 1st round BY EVERYBODY, so why didn’t the Nets have a deal in place that if he was not available the pick turns to cash. Remember the Nets were the ones drafting at 31 for the Hawks.
B) One Orton was off the board and Atl was selling the pick, why didn’t the Nets buy it?
I don't know
But like I said before, you’re assuming too much when you say the Nets could’ve had the 24th pick with the 27th and cash.
How am i assuming too much?
THE PICK WAS SOLD!!!!!!!
If it was sold only because Orton was off the board then the Nets should have discussed that possibility with the Hawks.
Your reasoning looks like this:
The Hawks draft James with the 24th. The Nets trade for James using the 27th and 31st picks. The 31st pick was then traded for cash. The 24th pick was traded for the 27th pick (Crawford) and cash. Therefore, the Hawks would definitely have traded the 24th for the 27th and cash.
You are assuming that nothing changed.
ex: Fred goes and buys 20 shares of Google at the opening bell. He then sells half his shares to fund the buying of 20 shares of IBM. Therefore, Fred would have definitely bought 10 shares of Google and 20 shares of IBM at the opening bell.
These two are similar because the demand and prices change over time. There are unforeseen variables that affect prices and determine whether an investor buys or not and if he does, at what time.
I think Milosh is saying that a better GM would have explored the possibility that the guy the Hawks wanted wouldn't be there
and Thorn should have…
If he explored it better, we could have ended up with the 31st pick.
I’m not disputing that Thorn could’ve done a better job but look at what milosh has said throughout this page.
The 31st pick was SOLD. THAT IS A FACT.He uses this as a reason to say that we could have gotten the 24th with the 27th and cash. I’m saying this is an assumption on his part. That’s all I’ve been saying.
by head_hunter on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Was i really not making it clear enough since you’re the only one that understands what i was saying.
Like I said before, you’re assuming too much when you’re saying that we could’ve had the 24th for the 27th and cash. Things change over time. You’re playing the result essentially since you’re answering “What makes you think that the Hawks would have accepted the 24th for the 27th and cash outright from the Nets?” with “The 31st pick was SOLD. THAT IS A FACT.”
You have no proof that the Hawks would have accepted that deal outright from the Nets. Just because it eventually happened doesn’t mean it would have happened at the time of the trade discussion. Prices change and circumstances change (just as in the stocks example). That’s why I’ve been saying you’re assuming too much.
I'm not assuming anything
If you read all my post and still dont understand then there is nothing i can do. I’m not gonna keep repeating myself.
I’m looking at what actually happened. Which is Atl trading for 27th and 31st picks and then selling the 31st. You’re the one trying to find an excuse somewhere.
I don’t think I’m misunderstanding here. You’re clearly looking at it after the fact to say that the trade could’ve been done outright.
I’m replying more towards this string of responses: http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/7/20/1578672/nets-tried-to-buy-pick-for-tiny#
than the one that I actually hit reply to.
Also, if i'm not mistaken the Nets were the ones picking at 31.
They were picking for the Hawks, so at the time the Hawks already knew the player they wanted was gone (if that was even the case to begin with). There was absolutely no excuse here, NONE.
You're assuming too much
Just because they flipped the 31st pick for cash does not mean they would’ve taken the 27th pick and that same amount. There is nothing concrete that says the Hawks would have accepted that deal.
Irrelevant. When you overpay and needlessly throw away a pick
You lose another player. In this case, Tiny Gallon. Whether James turned out to be a good player or not is irrelevant.
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe Atlanta
was going to use the 31st pick, but the guy they wanted was gone?
Its pretty logical.
If they had interest in Gallon at 31, which they did, waiting to try and buy the 48th pick is illogical. Not only that, the team that picked him owes you a 2nd round pick anyway. Only the incompetent GM like Thorn could let this go over his head. Not that i’m crying over Tiny Gallon, i would have much rather taken Whtieside with the 31st pick we gave away for no reason.
all massive assumptions
totally and completely unfounded.
That the Nets had interest in Gallon is founded, but that they thought he was worth the 31st pick is completely unfounded.
There were plenty of articles posted on this very site that said Nets had interst in Gallon at 31
Posted by YOU. So not sure where you’re coming from saying its assumptions and totally and completely unfounded.
Dude I can’t say what Thorn did for a fact and neither can you. Why in the heck would Thorn just give away a pick for fun??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Because Thorn sucks as a talent evaluator
He repeatedly said he thinks the talent in the 2nd round was weak.
Yeah but you always exhaust the cash option first so if he used the pick instead then the cash wouldn’t get it done.imo
Since the face been revealed the game got real
What makes you think that.
Maybe Thorn didn’t think there was anyone worth keeping that 31st pick for. Which is what i think happened. Apparently he thought Gallon was worth the 48th pick, but the other 29 guys drafted in the 2nd round were not worthy of his attention.
why is that illogical?
When the trade could have been made with cash instead of 31… we’d get James either way.
BECAUSE
you dont know that the Hawks would have been satisfied with CASH.
And until you can offer proof 1) that the Nets could have moved for cash instead of a pick; or that the Nets believed Gallon was worth the 31st pick, you have no logical basis here. NONE.
OK
you dont know that the Hawks would have been satisfied with CASH.
Ehh, the pick was sold for CASH. I think you’re the one missing logic here.
or that the Nets believed Gallon was worth the 31st pick
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/6/24/1535288/in-final-mocks-its-favors-crawford
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/6/24/1534020/staying-up-late
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/6/23/1531992/six-goes-into-two-wednesday
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/6/19/1526182/netsdaily-off-season-report-10
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/6/4/1501275/workouts-begin-with-27-and-31
hell just click on any link from here
http://www.netsdaily.com/search?q=Gallon&btn=Go
Now if you would be so kind can you provide some proof that
A) Atlanta would NOT have been satisfied with CASH. and B) Nets were not interested in Gallon with a 2nd round pick. Cause until you do, you have no logical basis here. NONE.
by milosh on Jul 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What do YOU know?
That the Hawks had interest in Vazquez, Hayward and Orton and since they were gone they traded the pick for cash please. At least my thinking is based on something tangible, you just make stuff up.
Again, how do you know they overpaid? Do you have inside knowledge that Atlanta would agree to a trade with only the 27th pick?
What if Damion James becomes twice the player that Jordan Crawford and Tiny Gallon combined will ever be? Will it be okay then?
Do you have inside knowledge that thats what happened?
Or are you just grasping for excuses for this nonsense deal.
I'm not grasping at anything.
I’m looking at what actually happened. Which is Atl trading for 27th and 31st picks and then selling the 31st. You’re the one trying to find an excuse somewhere.
Yawn, can you prove that is was?
Because considering how the Nets deal went down a mere 10 minutes earlier, i’d say you are becoming desperate to find an excuse.
Oh and we all know the hawks think exactly like you, so you would know how they think
You realize there are a million calls made during the draft, and deals are done at a blink of an eye?
Fact is, you're extrapolating from conjecture just as much as anyone
You call my words excuses but your own PERSONAL opinions and insinuations aren’t?
Once again. 31st pick SOLD FOR CASH-----FACT
Maybe Hawks had pre-planned this last year just to screw the Nets or maybe Thorn was taking a nap when the deal was taking place. What ever excuse you wanna throw at it is irrelevant. PICK WAS SOLD FOR CASH.
so what?
Is it possible that they changed their mind and wanted cash for #1 because the player they thought would be available had been taken at #28, #29 or #30 or that they believed they would need cash to make another deal that didn’t get done.
YOU DONT ENOUGH TO POSIT ANY OF THIS.
Yeah.
You;re making up an excuse off the top of your head. Prove it. show any evidence that the Hawks had any interest in Vazquez, Hayward or Orton. Show me that this argument has a shred of credibility and its not something you are pulling completely out of your head.
Ok it looks like you’re misunderstanding what I’m trying to say because I didn’t hit reply to the right post.
Here you are using the fact that the 27th and cash was the end result of the Hawks trading away their 24th pick to say that Atlanta would have agreed to the 27th and cash for the 24th outright from the Nets. Correct?
I say that you’re assuming too much here because you do not know that the Hawks would have agreed to such a deal since you’re playing the result. That pretty much says that you think the Hawks have always been willing to take the 27th and cash for their pick.
Let’s look at an extreme example of your reasoning. In 1995 the Hawks would have traded their 2010 first round pick for the Mavs’ 2010 first and cash considerations from the New Jersey Nets. Why would they have done this? In your voice:
I’m looking at what actually happened. Which is Atl trading for 27th and 31st picks and then selling the 31st.In this example, the person is concluding from the result that same course of action taken earlier would have netted the same result as well.
So from this I just wanted to point out that just because Atlanta traded their 24th for the 27th and cash when all transactions were completed doesn’t necessarily mean that Atlanta would have done all of that in one step when dealing with the Nets.
I hope you see where I’m coming from after this post.
And no it will not be ok.
If Gallon or any 2nd rounder becomes any good (and some of them will 100%) and it was a failure by Thorn. We would have had James regardless, we could have had James and someone else.
Again, until you provide some evidence that Atlanta would have agreed
And no, “of course they would” is not evidence, you can’t say we would have had James regardless
They DID agree.
The 31st pick was SOLD. THAT IS A FACT. So until you provide evidence that a player they wanted was taken by before that pick you’re just making excuses for why that pick wasn’t sold TO THE NETS.
They agreed to 27 and 31, they didn't agree to 27 and cash from the nets
You’re operating under the assumption that cash is cash and there’s nothing more to it. You don’t know that. You don’t know who they were talking to, what they were talking about.
What i DO know is that the 31st pick was sold for cash which is all that matters.
You dont know who they were talking to, what they were talking about, or if they were talking to anybody at all. None of that matters. The 31st pick belong to the Nets and it was bought by the Thunder for CASH. To make random excuses about how the Hawks planed to draft whoever or whatever is beyond irrelevant when you look at the facts.
Here is some actual evidence btw.
Its not facts, but this is all we have to go on, which is a hell of a lot more then you can provide.
In every Mock Chad Ford has done, And lets not start questioning his integrity because he was excellent predicting the draft this year, here is a list of player he had the Hawks taking at 24:
Whiteside
Stephenson
Pondexter
Which one of those was taken 28,29 or 30?
Sorry and your evidence is where exactly?
We both know exactly what the facts are, and thats the 31st pick was sold for CASH. The most telling evidence of all.
31st pick
And how do we know the Hawks and Thunder don’t have a deal in the background later for doing them the favor of selling them that pick?
by TheMann2 on Jul 20, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because you are randomly making it up?
What actually happened was the Hawks set up this deal way in advance with OKC, In return OKC will send their 2012 2nd rounder and a toaster for Kobe’s maid and Toyota Prius. Then LA will draft Jordran Crawfords cousin with that pick in 2017 and package him along with a Laker cheerleader for $3mil and a box of grits from the Hawks.
You were totally right, the Nets never had a chance to buy this pick. This is all a conspiracy.
You can say its suspicious but you can’t put the blame on Thorn without knowing the details. Maybe the Atlanta GM was just trying to do the OKC GM a solid. No one can say for sure.
I'm not saying its suspicious
I’m saying Thorn had no interest in keeping the 31st pick.
And people rag on thorn for "standing pat" on draft day
So yes he was being active, he was trying to buy a 2nd round pick
we had a solid draft, imo
people just want to complain just for the sake of complaining.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fav a fav, what's he, chopped liver?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 20, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He Drafted..
MJ…. nuff said on Talent evaluation. He drafted the games greatest player ever…
The NETS are coming!
DUDE
So am I.
It’s nice and cool here in my office but i just don’t feel like being here today
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There are 5 more players that have done really well in SL that went after the 48th pick
Thorn was running around taking about how there is no talent in the 2nd round this year.
Har-har
Billy King isn’t exactly the most popular GM in the league either.
Getting up there, but Gina is in the lead.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 20, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I like NetFan48.....
Seems to know what is going to happen before it actually happens but doesn’t want to tell anyone until after it happens so he doesn’t ruin the surprise for all the other fans…….
Gallon looked horrible in summer league
So this might be a good thing.
Sighs... Really now ppl are upset with thorn draft?
It’s hard being a fan along side of you guys
by nwkiddnj on Jul 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thorn screwed up by drafting Favors, should have never traded those two picks for James, T-Will is the reason for childhood autism, AIDs, and the bubonic plague all wrapped in one, Billy King has already screwed up by accepting the position, Prokhorov has yellow teeth, Avery Johnson is a dictator…..anything else to add to the list of ridiculous complaints?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook Lopez is fugazy?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 20, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not a “ridiculous complaint”. That’s like a basic fact.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 20, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Same story as always
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
but i cant blame the nets..they were so close...just one pick away
someone to consider…samardo samuels
12.6 ppg, 7.4 rpg, shot 57.1%. From NJ.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Sam Sam plays so so
Watching him play at Louisville he had good games, but mostly games to where he got pushed around easy. That may been due partly to him playing with his back to the basket. In SL I noticed he mostly faced the basket and had much greater success. He is definitely a work in progress and would of benefited from another year in college. On a side note he comes from a very impoverished region of Jamaica. This is basically the reason he entered the draft. He desperately wants to help his family out financially.
Wonder why
With Favors and Hump, and at the time their interest in free agents, I wonder why they would have been interested in adding Gallon. At best, under any scenario, he would have been a 3d string PF. Hard to see why you spend seven figures to get him.
He shot 36.8% in the summer league
he can stretch his pants.
by Net Income on Jul 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nets fan infighting is funny
Guys, notice this is what we do when there’s lack of news or development? We make our own entertainment.
You mean you were looking for a response to saying he can stretch his pants?
I dont know, i was really paying attention to THAT part of his game.
hahaha
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
still 2 early 2 tell the steal of the draft.
dont 4get we hav an above average coach 4 the 1st time since byron scott. avery pushes his players james and favors will def take advantage.
Question
Who are the Nets going to sign at the Power Forward Position a Veteran or Young A Player?
And who are they going to sign?
Free Agent Power Forwards
Tim Thomas
Brian Scalabrine
Theo Ratliff
Malik Allen
Kwame Brown
Anthony Tolliver
Brian Skinner
Craig Smith
Josh Powell
Steven Hunter
Kurt Thomas
Jonathan Bender
Earl Barron
Etan Thomas
Fransisco Elson
Luis Almundson
Sean May
James Singleton
Ike Diogu
Sean May is a big risk but might be worth it depending on what he want
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Sean May and Ike Diogu
Two talents that never were brought to the next level.
and both with knee issues
I keep pointing out they are unlikely to do anything but a vets minimum deal now.
They didnt save all this cap space for Tim Thomas.
Smith is gone
And I still don’t know how much he was signed for.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Anthony Tolliver
or
Etan Thomas
or
Luis Almundson
or
Josh Powell (he did get some practice for 3 three years with the defending NBA CHAMPS.
How is powell better then Hump? Singleton is a great rebounder and he hustles like no one
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Powell’s contract last year was less than 1 mill, he has a good baseline jumper, pretty smart and an energy guy. If you are not going to have a starter to eat up big minutes, you want guys who can compete for time. Powell would be one of those guys (plus he played with Farmar for a few years, always a plus).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Caracter would fit better if the Lakers let him go.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Singleton
He would be a good addition if he is a rebounder and plays defense he can spread the floor on offense, but shoots a low rate for a Power Forward who has had years of 38% shooting not good.
Powell would be a nice addition practicing versus guys like Bynum,Gausol, Odom Artest he might be the guy Avery is looking for.
Plus he is Kobe’s best friend. We can start those Kobe to NJ rumor right away
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 20, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Am i the only one
that thinks this was a pointless post/article….
exactly...
Can we get some real news please? Like what the nets expect to do with PF spot?! The time for being prudent is over, we need a blockbuster deal and now! We were prudent for two years and ended up on the losing end! UGH!
do you want Net Income to start making stuff up?
Otherwise, we have to wait til news happens bro
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Boone is better than every free agent PF still available, possibly except Tolliver, and he has some starters expereince. Why not just sign him for a year and let him get some burn until Favors is ready later in the season.
by Chris2 on Jul 20, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
He would be the only veteran presense on the squad!
Last year I thought he sometimes looked like the calm in the middle of the storm when the rest of our guys were tripping all over each other.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 20, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really...
People (fans) are familair with Boone so he gets mentioned, and he is a likable guy, can grab boards, run the floor, can make a nifty pass, but….
I think Boone is probably done as a Net. I think his rep is a guy who not really into it, didn’t really improve too much (added a jumper- not really Andres come on), has migraine iussues. He will be a late addtion 5 foul minimum salary of guy on some team somewhere. Nets have those guys already. He’s not a PF either.
There are several players on that list that are better than Boone due to having more offensive ability, which doesn’t say much though. I think once Petro was signed, and kind words were uttered about Zoubek (that’s Boone roster spot yo!) it was curtians for Boone as Net bench warmer.
We made a qualifying offer?
Why would they do that if they didn’t want him back? Does a QO expire after a certain date?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 21, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont see the nets signing anyone else but some vets
and it might even be a pointguard
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Someway the Nets a going to get a power forward
KIng and Avery said adding the power forward is more important than anything right now more than adding veteran “glue guys”.
Who would the Nets sign?
A guy who can play both Power Forward and Center or Just a Forward?
Veteran or Yongster?
the bottom line is
in spite of milosh and others verbiage is this:
The Nets got a guy at #24 who by everyone’s post-summer league analysis should have gone higher.
There is a subset of fans who are so in love with process that they are blind to the product.
If Jordan Crawford or Tiny Gallon become a better player than Damion James…or fit the Nets better, then call me. Until then, I am happy with the product, a 6’8" rebounding small forward who the coach likened to Robert Horry last week…a guy who was the second leading scorer in the summer league. I am not going to fret about losing a guy who averaged 6.6 ppg and shot 36.8% when we got a guy who averaged 18.8 and shot 47%.
These are two different issues
We can commend Rod Thorn for identifying and targeting James, and pursuing the draft-day trade. But it is not inconsistent to also recognize that there was no need to give up the #31 pick in that deal. Of course, the chance of the Nets picking a capable player in the second round is about zero (thankfully, Billy King has a much better record there). But players like Whiteside and Hobson were there! Are they projects? Sure! But you never know. And, instead, the Nets reached out and signed a couple of undrafted free agents when Whiteside is a much better prospect.
I can't believe that we have people complaining about drafting James
this is getting almost to be too much on here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And who cares if Thorn is incompetent at drafting...
…he’s history!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
Just to let you guys know
The USA team is practicing on NBA TV Brook looks like he’s got his weight back up.
For the record, while I commend Thorn for identifying James as a quality player and taking the next step to acquire him in a draft-day deal, I completely agree with those who think that there was likely no need for him to give up the #31 pick in that deal. When it was announced, it made me sick to my stomach. Again, James looked pretty good in summer league and I have to credit Thorn—but I won’t excuse him for stupidly tossing in the #31 pick when, by all accounts, he didn’t need to. The Hawks later dealt that pick for CASH. If they were hoping to get a particular player at #31, then the trade could have been announced after the #30 pick, with the Nets including either the pick or cash as necessary. It seems to me that Rod most likely had decided before the draft that if he could deal both of his picks for James, he’d do it, and when James slipped to #24, he never stopped to think that maybe he didn’t have to pay that price any more. It was stupid, stupid, stupid, especially with an owner that is willing to spend money and players like Whiteside still on the board.
You know, it seems like EVERY YEAR we heard after the draft that Rod Thorn was “trying” to acquire another second round pick to draft some guy but was unable to do so. Every year—yet he has NEVER DONE SO. Yet, other teams buy and sell second round picks ALL THE TIME. Is he lying, or does he just make pathetic lowball offers and piss off opposing GMs?
- + #31 >> #24. If James was drafted at, say, #17, then this would make sense. But when James fell, it was no longer necessary to part with the #31 pick. Period.
lol
For ten years Rod Thorn NEVER bought a pick in the draft, yet how many times have we heard that he was “trying” to do so? How many draft day trades have gone down, total, during those ten years? 100? 150? I find it hard to believe that Rod was NEVER able to acquire a pick if he was trying so hard for so many years. Quite frankly, he isn’t believable.
doesn't matter
It is Rod’s words that are important. He claimed to have tried to acquire a pick many times. If you are alleging that he was lying about his authority to do so, then that is pretty bad.
Personally, by the time Thorn made the trade with Atlanta, I don’t think he felt like anyone available was worth the 3 million dollar investment it would take to keep the pick. Thats what Atlanta got from OKC for the pick right? I don’t think its the kind of incompetence which you are alluding to. More likely it was a business decision because Thorn doesn’t like to waste money, even when he has a rich owner. If you don’t feel strongly that the player is a contributor on day one, or a guy whose potential you love, 3 million dollars could probably be spent better elsewhere. Like on our top notch coaching staff, or maybe some more scouts. I don’t buy the idea that Thorn just fumbled away pick 31 based incompetence. He is a competent guy about process, even if you may not think of him as a great talent evaluator.
Clearly, that is the one piece of information we are missing here. However, I’m not sure that the amount that the pick was sold for has been made public. Please let me know if I’m wrong. I will concede that the #31 pick is not worth $3 million (from what I understand, typically second-round picks are traded for a lot less than that). Regardless, if Rod Thorn really wanted to purchase a mid-second round pick, he could have done so.
I haven’t been able to find a confirmed report for the amount of money that Atlanta got for that pick 31, but picks at the top of the second round do cost more than picks in the middle of the round or lower. I don’t think its unheard of for a high 2nd rounder to fetch the 3 million, I thought thats what Houston spent to nab Budinger last year, but I may be off by a million. I’m sure Atlanta wanted to sell the pick to the highest bidder, their bill for Joe Johnson shows the need for that. I think Thorn as team presdient will always try to be a good steward of the owner’s cash, and I just don’t think he thought the pick was worth the price. He seems like he was willing to pay the price for a mid second rounder provided Tiny was there for them, but Thorn needs to find a team willing to sell the pick for a price Thorn is willing to pay. Miami seemed to be that team, but Gallon was gone a pick earlier.
In this article, it says Houston spent 6 million to acquire two high second rounders to draft Jermaine Taylor and Chase Budinger. So clearly, the precedent for selling second rounders for 3 million dollars is there. And if you don’t love a player, spending 3 million on a guy that may be bench fodder or even cut, may not be the most responsible thing to do.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6498343.html
ROFL
his name is tiny gallon? what is that an oxymoron or something?
Tiny Gallon is listed as 302 from pre-draft measurements, not a FAT 320.
I wrote many times about Thorn messing up, not to get Tiny Gallon, who they clearly were considering.
The fist mess-up was when Thorn essentially gave away CDR, without securing a 2nd round pick from the Bucks, as was first reported. Thorn should have given up 2-3 million at THAT time, if the Bucks were being difficult and Thorn was desperate to get rid of CDR.
Maybe Rod was talking to Proky or Dmitry at that time or was too “proud” to ask for money?
Nevertheless, I have suggested trading for Tiny at this time? Is it too late? Have the Nets come away losing one more time to The Bucks (starting with taking their trash for RJ). Rod has always wanted a “beast”. I was sure that when he didn’t take Cousins, he was planning to get Tiny in the 2nd round. Nets need TWO, not ONE Big, since I don’t have confidence in Zoubek.
All this for Tiny?
I liked him too but we have our PF. Tiny is a shooter not a defense rebound effort guy. He is not all that.
The NETS are coming!
Nets tried to get Tiny on draft night (story posted a couple of days ago).
He did pretty good in Summer League.
Is would be a backup Big at 4/5.
That is Nets big hole to fill.
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