Craig Smith Tweets "I Would Love to Play for the Nets"...Signs With Clips
by Net Income on Jul 19, 2010 6:31 AM EDT
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PrintThere's been some lobbying recently on NetsDaily for the team to sign Craig Smith, the 6'7" power forward who played last year for the Clippers ...It didn't work.
Last Wednesday, Smith tweeted his thanks to Nets fans for all their tweets urging him to come to New Jersey.
"I would love to so we will see what happen," he wrote. In a separate tweet later Wednesday, Smith reported he "had some (meetings) but I think more should come soon". The "more" turned out to be a new deal with the Clippers, announced Monday.
The 26-year-old Boston College product, who's also played for Minnesota, averaged 6.5 pgg and 4.3 rpg in nearly 19 minutes for the Clippers last season.
- Twitter / Craig Smith: Nets fans thank u so much ... - Craig Smith - Twitter
- Agent: Clippers re-sign Craig Smith - Lisa Dillman - Los Angeles Times
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Get it done!
I mean really, what better free agent is out there? You can still do a trade after signing him if you want, what’s the harm?
What, that makes no sense
We were looking for a Vet PF who can start ahead of Favors, right? What are we talking about? Craig Smith? How much better is he than Josh Boone?
And so said the old man!
much better, says more about boone than Smith
Why does it have to be a veteran? We’re looking for a starter, period
Not better than Hump.
2" shorter, 15 pounds slower.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Same ppg, rpg, EFF...
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN.com?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you looked at just their ppg and rpg
Did you consider difference in minutes played? Did you consider hump’s noticeably worse field goal percentage?
by muwu on Jul 19, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Calm down, man.
Nothing jumps out about Smith that’s all I’m saying.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe because his great arsenal of post moves isn't listed on his statistics
The stats aren’t the best but you can’t ask for that much more from an undersized should be sixth man power forward
I like him...
Just wish he was a better rebounder.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If he was he's be off the market by now
He’s 6’7"! He’ll give you energetic play and scoring at least
Hey Not saying no but what about james singleton you brought him up last night didn’t realize he was a FA this guy would be pretty good on the boards
But Craig Smith would work also for different reasons.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
We are not going to get a star power forward off the FA market. Lets make a move to help control the boards and that will contribute to all other aspects of the Nets game.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
+1
The FA PF Must rebound Must defend Must hustle and be a decent shooter.
My Votes are for Anthony Tolliver, James Singleton and Louis Amundson. In that order. And be nice if Billy wrapped this up so we could stop talking about the PF gap..lol. Humph was not horrible he and favors together with all the shooters would do ok. With Brook Petro behind them. They WILL be well coached. I say grab one of those guys. IMO there are alot f guys who would be productive if given the opportunity to play. Some guys just need the chance.
The NETS are coming!
Humphries is a better player then all of them
The point of getting another PF is so he can start, none of those guys would be a better option to start over Humph, at least you can make a case for C.Smith.
We just need someone that can eat minutes and be at least somewhat productive
look at the list….there aren’t any studs out there
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like the guy.
We need his toughness. Well, just about every team does, but he’d be a great compliment to Brook and I doubt he’d have an issue making way for Favor-Fav when he’s ready.
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
How's his defense?
Does he give up more points than he scores?
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 7:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well he won't give up position on the block with his strength
He’s gonna put in effort but the size disadvantage is still there. But he’s not the worst in the world at least
I’d describe it as “honest”. Put it this way, with the way he throws his weight around, his opponents would definitely come away remembering who they’ve just matched up on.
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
Hmmm... a new tagline perhaps?
Instead of “The most comprehensive source for news about the New Jersey Nets.”, how about just “Craig Smith reads it”….
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
I read something about this a couple of days ago on twiiter via Netsdaily.
Nets fans were recruiting him to play on our team and he replied back to them.
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 19, 2010 7:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
*twitter :)
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 19, 2010 7:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
off topic
Would be nice if we could delete and edit what we posted if somehow we find an error on it.
@ NI/ND
Do you guys think that would be possible?
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 19, 2010 7:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Craig Smith meant: I would love to get a contract, any contract!!!
by 3ptChucker on Jul 19, 2010 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you "incogneetus69"?
(If you don’t mind me asking)
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
Haha
No, not at all. It just makes more sense, re. knowing that he was talking about meeting with the Nets.
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
We should sign him because Bill Simmons likes him
I am being serious. Bill knows basketball. Bill has season tickets to the Clippers and watched him play.
“By the way? I love Craig Smith. He’s my favorite undersized power forward other than Paul Millsap. Total banger, plays hard, good guy, swings quarters coming off the bench, causes real problems for certain teams. Smith and Butler are the luxury role players GOOD teams have”
incidentally- right across from his craig smith comments, he picks a bad season for Hedo http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnflpicks/part1/091023&sportCat=nba
more simmons
PS: Craig Smith belongs on a contender in a Big Baby role. Fantastic energy guy, skilled, fun nickname (The Rhino).
whether you like him or not, Bill “gets” basketball more than most writers do.
Get the Rhino!!
Billy King has a bigger (in more than one way) fish in mind. The Nets will trade, maybe Twill the ball hog, and grab a decent PF like Landry. Smith is tough but does not rebound. Lopez needs tough and rebounder. I doubt we’d settle on him unless he were as a backup.
Landry is also a lousy rebounder...
Anything worse than 1 board every 4 minutes is bad. 1 every 3 minutes is awesome.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 8:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Makes no sense to me.
Landry will never be the type of player Twill will be very soon. That’s like trading Deron Williams for Chauncy Billups.
And so said the old man!
Help Wanted?
Our failure to land a substantial power forward this off season is disturbing. This should have been our number one priority. The crumbs that are left are hardly worth signing, but we need to do something, because we can not go into camp with just Favors and the HUMPH.
Paul from Delray Beach
Landry rebs per 40 minutes: 7.6
Smith rebs per 40 minutes: 9.3
Landry pts per 40: 21.8
Smith pts per 40: 19
Landry total rebound rate (% of total rebounds they grabbed during their time on the floor: 11.6 at Houston, 9.9 at Sacramento
Smith TRR: 13.5
is Landry really 6'9"?!?!
when I see him play…he seems shorter.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
that nice of craig
get it done king…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I'm sold...
We are just talking about stop gaps until Favors is ready anyway. Get some hard working guys with upside and through them all against the wall to see who sticks.
Maybe Favors starts from game 1 and we just rotate once he gets in foul trouble.
I dont see whats the big issue is against craig smith. He is the guy that we need to hold down the PF position until favors is ready to go. Remember, some of you did not want to overpay for a star PF because that would be a waste of picking favors 3rd overall. Honestly, I would pay craig smith $3 million for 2 yrs, which is more than he got from the clippers last year.
I no Hump homie...
…but what does Smith bring that Hump doesn’t?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
agree. hump was very careless with the ball last year
"Don’t forget, we’re not building a top five team, we’re building a championship team" - Mikhail Prokhorov
Not really careless but more of blackholish
the second he touches the ball, it’s flying towards the rim. Hump has never met a shot he won’t take
I wonder how much of that was a result of...
…poor coaching, no offensive scheme? I’d like to see if he keeps chucking it up in Avery-ball. If he does, it won’t be for long!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The reputation is not new
Feb, 2009
Not much of a passer, to say the least—looks primarily for his own offense and is very quick to pull the trigger. Was considered to be somewhat selfish in college.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kris-Humphries-2903/#ixzz0u8mRmcDN
http://www.draftexpress.com
Well, if he continues to pull the trigger too soon...
…he will shoot himself to another team.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
it cant hurt signing him
i would give him a 2 yr contract
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I smell a trade
Clee or Twill might go, we having expiring (hump and ross), and lots of picks….
usual when teams trade a player…they want a 1. young player in return. 2. expiring contracts and 3. picks…
we have it all.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I don't see who we can get that would be worth the cost...
I’d rather go stop gaps until Favors starts or we get a superstar.
agreed
I also like the alternative Kerber pointed out:
But King echoed the need for a starting power forward, one who can produce until rookie Derrick Favors ascends to the throne. One line of thinking says the Nets should start Favors early with a veteran (a Kurt Thomas type) behind him. Then, if there is success, they could look at players in the last year of deals (Troy Murphy, Kenyon Martin if healthy) to finish the season.
Notice how Kerber makes much more sense than Dave D...
No need to trade anything but financial relief and keep cap space open for the offseason.
But Dave D thinks we are about to trade TWil for a guy like Bass that is undersized and cannot rebound.
Please do not try for Bass. You are right; he is undersized and cant rebound for anything. I played with him on NBA 2K10 and he is the same way. So imagine him in real life on the Nets? The Nets should not be trading anyone. They need to preserve all the players they can get. Remember last year they had a ton of injuries to start the year at the guard and wing positions. Dont mess with that now…just play it out to start the season.
Using 2k10 as reference?
Not really the best way to look at things. In fact- you can dominate games with Yi in 2k10
We can't stop now!
Everyone needs to keep tweeting Craig and tell him how much we want him to join the Nets!
The chance of the Nets signing him went up when Rod Thorn left. Even though Rod claims that he was looking for a “moose,” he generally only signs players that are tall for thier position, and that isn’t Craig. Still, he’s a big body and strong, and won’t give up position. His rebounding skills are better than his numbers. Here’s a fan post I wrote about it:
Rebound per miunte is the best stat
Simply put – 1 every 4 minutes is okay
1 every 3 minutes is great
Holds true for almost all big men when you analyze it.
However . . .
The number of rebounding opportunities is a big factor—it depends on pace of play, and how many shots the opponent takes and misses. Also, in my view, offensive rebounding and defensive rebounding are two different skills and shouldn’t be combined in an overall “rebounding” number. Offensive rebounds are about individual desire and skill in reading angles, including anticipating where the ball is likely to go as soon as the shot is taken. If you start with the assumption that a team should optimally get 100% of all defensive rebounds, then you start measuring defensive rebounding skill in sterms of limiting failure instead of counting success. The number of defensive rebounds an individual gets isn’t as important as the number of defensive rebounds the team gets. You can contribute to a rebound—a rebounding assist, so to speak—by boxing out your man and allowing one of the wings or guards to get the rebound. This was Jason Collins’ great skill. His individual rebounding numbers weren’t very good, but when he was on the court, the Nets always got a very high percentage of defensive rebounds, because he was focusing on boxing out. Why do you think that Jason Kidd got so many triple doubles as a Net, and so few as a Maverick? Anyway, Craig Smith is a big body, and would enable the the Nets’ big wings (D. James/TWill) to clean up.
by Dumpy on Jul 19, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
very nice point dumpy
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
You make good points...
But the per minute analysis seems to work pretty well too.
Yes, Collins was like an offensive lineman creating a pocket for his quarterback to operate. I remember him pushing so hard on his man that ho couldn’t grab a ball bouncing right in front of him, of course that wasn’t his job.
by ispartan on Jul 19, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good points, but defensive boards are ALSO about desire. You are supposed to be in position on your man, but desire and motor are necessary to clean up on that position. It is a bit of an overstatement that these are too different skills. A very good offensive rebounder is almost always, if positioned well, a very good defensive rebounder. Rodman was a prime example of this, as was B. Wallace.
Also, there are more than just carom watching skills in offensive rebounding. There is the opposite of boxing out, which Charles Barkley described as his main method of gathering offensive rebounds, forcing the boxing out man further under the basket that he wished to be. An offensive rebounder need not be simply a skilled freelancer.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
lets tweet
craig SMITH
lets go netsdaily!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I'd like to see..
Avery bring Ike Diogu in for a workout to see how his knee looks before they did anything else..
They also might want to..
Give Richard Hendrix a camp invite. He has looked good in summer league..Good Rebounder in the Paul Millsap mold..
by BubbaMcBubba on Jul 19, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i think average pf size is
6’8’’ if im not mistaking
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Think of Chuck Hayes!
A shorter PF or C can be effective simply by using their quickness and lower center of gravity to keep the opposing big away from the paint. Most bigs can’t shoot well from 12-15 feet. And when you are facing one that can, well, then you worry about matchups.
Rodman
Was the exception
And so said the old man!
6'7" Gerald Wallace grabbed 10 a game this year
Is there a correlation between how tall your team is and rebounding ability? Not exactly.
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/05/12/nba-hd-does-effective-height-have-an-effect/
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/05/21/nba-hd-inching-for-a-rebound/
Of course, height doesn’t explain all the variation in rebounding rates because there are other factors that contribute to rebounding: wingspan, vertical jump, horizontal jump, reaction time, positioning, etc.
Keep tweeting him, guys
@CSmeezy5
#CSmeezy2theNets
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
My tweet...
@Csmeezy5 – I hope my Nets do sign you. Man, do we need your TOUGHNESS! Avery and Sam would love you, that I’m sure of!
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
i tweeted him
too!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
i don't want either one....
of these guys, all of the PF’s that wanted are either already taken or not tradeable, i really wish we could work out a deal for David West or Josh Smith, but that ain’t happenin….we might as well go into the season with Favors and let him develop, not like we are making the playoffs this year! Don’t waste anymore money 3rd tier talent…
You're not gonna be spending 5 million or him or something
What happens if one of our only 4 big men gets injured? What happens if two get injured?
agreed. Need a 5th guy for 4/5 rotation. Zoubek isn’t that guy yet. If smith is 3rd tier, than Boone is 4th tier… although a nice guy!
Smith FT% is better than Boone, but not by much.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Boone shoots is at 45% for his career
And lets be honest, that is closer to 35% at this point in his career so shooting 65%, more then 30% better and more then twice as good is BY MUCH.
We have 5
Hump, Favors, Brook, Petro, and Zoubek
zoubek wont get any pt if he's here anyway
"Don’t forget, we’re not building a top five team, we’re building a championship team" - Mikhail Prokhorov
he can grab rebounds
and……. he can grab rebounds
and he cant play defense
and he cant handle the ball
"Don’t forget, we’re not building a top five team, we’re building a championship team" - Mikhail Prokhorov
And with those 6 fouls
at least 2 opposing players will be carried to the locker room with serious bodily harm.
ALL ABOARD THE RHINO EXPRESS!!
by Doesthishurt on Jul 19, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Give Craig
2 yr/ $6 mil
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
All aboard the Rhino Express
Unless the Nets are willing to pull the trigger on a big trade that lands a star PF, signing the Rhino makes perfect sense. I don’t see them landing someone like Josh Smith (who I think would be ideal). Plus, everyone is waiting for Favors to start eventually anyway. I like the tandem of Craig Smith and Humpries to give minutes at the PF with Favors. Smith and Hump are both high energy guys who can set hard screens and crash the boards and watch Brook’s back. The identity of the team needs to change from “soft” to “momma said knock you out.” If the rotation of Favors/Smith and Hump doesn’t work, then there’s plenty of cap space to secure a “starting quality” PF before the All-Star break. SIGN THE RHINO
ALL ABOARD!!!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Exactly, it doesn't matter if you wanna pursue a big name, you can still do that after signing Smith
He’s not really gonna command a 10 million a year salary
No blood, no foul!
That’s basketball!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
This (to use Gina's expression)
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Rhino would bring a toughness
that we sorely need. Let’s face it. Our team has a soft reputation and other teams know it. Remember last year when Devin had that hard foul on Jamario Moon and the Cavs stormed us. Bron pinned Devin against the hoop base and Shaq put a choke hold on Bobby Simmons. Our whole team was cowering. We have some guys now who aren’t afraid to slap a b@##, like D. James and Q. Ross. The Rhino would be a perfect enforcer. I’m tired of seeing the Nets get their lunch money taken by other teams.
ALL ABOARD THE RHINO EXPRESS!!
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/01/29/backboards-shadow-craig-smith/
Growing up down the street from Conte Forum, watching the Boston College product rip the ACC to shreds for four years was more than enjoyable. He recklessly crashed the boards, tenaciously attacked the rim and with the ball in his hands wouldn’t accept no for an answer like an old man trying to send soup back at a deli.
Craig Smith is the most offensively gifted reserve forward in the league (apologies to Carl Landry who plays nearly twice as much). His collection of scoring tactics are a grocery list that would make William Perry jealous. When the ball is in his hands and the basket is within 10 feet, there is nobody who one on one can shut him down.
This past week against the Celtics and the league’s deepest, most devastating defensive front line, Smith beamed his game back to 2003 and treated his opponents like they were the Clemson Tigers. He single-handedly kept the other L.A. team in the game with 10 straight points in the fourth quarter. Elusive up and unders, head fakes, ball fakes, shoulder dropping brute force aggressiveness, all were on display as the former Eagle did as he pleased.
Did Craig Smith take over a basketball game that featured a laundry list of all-star and hall-of-fame talent? Yes, yes he did.
Looks like a guy who could teach Favors an offensive move or two
by muwu on Jul 19, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and hump for that matter
"Don’t forget, we’re not building a top five team, we’re building a championship team" - Mikhail Prokhorov
Nets will need frontcourt scoring...
Beware of The Rhino!!!
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I made a quick fanpost yesterday about this but whatever. http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/7/18/1576062/nets-fans-thank-u-so-much-i-would
Yeah, but
the forum side of NetsDaily started it really.
Ummm...
A Bill Simmons loved guy who earned the nick name “Rhino?!?!?”
And who Wants to play here?!?!?!?
And who is already communicating with fans?!
He better be signed by the end of today’s business…
by Jron on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bill Simmons is a moron
If someone has his endorsement its probably a sign NOT to get him (and i like Smith)
The broken clock rule
He might be right about Smith too, i’m just saying, using him to strengthen your case does the opposite.
With all due respects to Dumpy...
I’d like to see any stats that show that Smith is an above average rebounder.
1 rebound every 4.3 mpg is not good for a PF having looked at the stats for hundreds of players.
82games looks at offensive and defensive rebounds by opportunities, and gave him an overall 24.6 rating.
http://www.82games.com/0910/09LAC13.HTM
Who do you want to compare him too? How about Landry:
http://www.82games.com/0910/09HOU12.HTM (21.1 rating)
Hakim Warrick: http://www.82games.com/0910/09MIL12.HTM#pstats (21.6)
Humphries: http://www.82games.com/0910/09NJN13.HTM (34.0!)
David West: http://www.82games.com/0910/09NOH11.HTM (22.0)
Ryan Anderson http://www.82games.com/0910/09ORL9.HTM (22.7)
Channing Frye http://www.82games.com/0910/09PHO13.HTM (19.2)
LaMarcus Aldridge http://www.82games.com/0910/09POR13.HTM (23.9)
I’m just picking some players randomly, but trying to avoid those that play a lot at center. Who else do you want to look at?
You compare him to all guys that are lousy rebounders...
Compare him to 5 guys that average at least 1 rebound per 4 minutes and see how he does.
He's not elite!
Why compare him to the greatest rebounders in the game? No one is saying he is on par with them! Name some other PFs that don’t play very much center, and I’ll look them up. I want to avoid looking up PFs that are also centers under the theory that your center is usually your primary rebounder.
As I said, I’m picking players at random. Name some!
more
Rashard Lewis http://www.82games.com/0910/09ORL8.HTM (13.5)
Antawn Jamieson http://www.82games.com/0910/09WAS19.HTM (23.3)
Bosh http://www.82games.com/0910/09TOR13.HTM (31.4—he’s good)
Pau http://www.82games.com/0910/09LAL11.HTM (30.8—he’s also good)
Maggette: http://www.82games.com/0910/09GSW13.HTM (18.6)
Anyway, I think Smith is slightly better than average among PFs, but we can certainly look at more players if you want.
I bet if you sorted rebounding ratings...
The answer would be very highly correlated to rebouds per minute.
And Bosh is not even that good of a rebounder.
As I said, I think Smith is slightly better than average, which includes ALL PFs, whether they are good rebounders or not! Name some, and I will look them up!
Again, no one is saying that he is an elite rebounder! Those players you think are great rebounders are getting paid a lot more than the Nets would have to pay Craig Smith!!
re: rebounds per minute. espn classifies 101 players as PFs. Of those 101, Smith was #52 last season in terms of rebounds per minute—pretty much average. However, a number of those above him played center at least a third of the time, and probably shouldn’t be included in the analysis, because I don’t think they are comparable. That would put Smith at slightly above average, wouldn’t it?
Sounds to be just about average...
Not bad for a guy we could get cheap that is tough with very good offensive skills.
Beware of The Rhino!
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the other part of it
is to try to measure how well he boxes out by the percentage of rebounds the team gets when he is in and out of the game. That just compares him to the other PFs on the roster, though, and not PFs on other teams. By that measure, it seems as though the Clippers got roughly the same number of rebounds, by percentage, whether Smith was in the game or not—so that would put him at the same level as the other PFs.
On the Nets, Humphries and Boone are better rebounders than Smith is, but they have other deficiencies, obviously.
Smith seems to be able to put the ball in the net...
Which may be a problem for Nets big men this year.
I’d sign him up and let the young guys battle for minutes. I’d only make a trade that gives up assets if it was for a star rather than a slight improvement.
Based on muwu's quotes from .hardwoodparoxysm.com...
…what’s not to like? Let’s get him.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hump is better than Bosh and Pau?
There are 2 kinds of lies : dirty lies and statistics!
Hey Muwu!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hump is a very good rebounder...
The stats did not say he is a better PLAYER.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sigh, must i really have to explain to you the concept of minutes played?
Listen closely children, a player that plays more minutes racks up more statistics, it’s a little trick we like to call addition
by muwu on Jul 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention you don't even have a clue what the rebound rating means or what it measures
I’ll go slowly.
The rebound rating adds together their offensive and defensive rebounding %.
Let’s look at Craig Smith.
He grabbed 97 offensive rebounds.
He had the chance to get 1182 offensive rebounds during his time on the floor.
97/1182= He grabbed 8.2% of all possible offensive rebounds
Same way with the defensive rebounds. He grabbed 16.4% of all available defensive rebounds.
Now, can you be a big boy and tell me what 8.2+16.4 is?
That’s right! 24.6!
So yes, according to the data, Humphries grabbed a larger percentage of available rebounds during his time on the floor. Is this reflected in his totals? Nope, because he only played around 18 minutes a game. But you don’t really look past the first page of the nba.com info page or espn
You're right. Sometimes I don't even scroll down.
I don’t want to get in a pissing contest over 2nd string PFs. I’m just saying, at a quick glance, I don’t see much difference between Hump and Smith except Smith is undersized, thought he does outweigh Hump.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
though
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Craig is not really a step up...
Just a productive hard working body that will eat minutes while Favors learns the game.
exactly
If you compare the two, Humphries is a better rebounder, but Smith has a much, much higher shooting percentage on the same number of shots/40 minutes. Humphries’ career .438 shooting percentage is pretty bad for a PF (Smith is at .556). Neither one commits a high number of fouls, and neither is likely to foul out in 20-25 minutes.
I think that should be our task this year...
Acquire young assets, let them duke it out for playing time and wait for the right trade. Stick with reasonable contracts that are tradeable.
Travis Outlaw was a big investment but Avery thinks he can make this kid very good. Wonder if we should have let TWil compete for the starting SF job. I wonder why Avery says TWil cannot play SF. It seems like he likes to play big rather than Frank’s approach.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about Brian Scalabrine
any love for him in Jersey land?
Plenty of love...
Very little skill.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NJ loves Veal....
if Sly calls in sick, we could suit up Veal… otherwise… that’s about it.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I am all for it, his toughness is exactly what the Nets need.
And if he has said that he wants to play here, then lets do it.
"Hope for the Best, Expect the Worst"
Let's hope this motto changes...
Kmart
That makes sense. We can use all are cap space to be able to see what outfit KMart will wear abehind the bench.
Bottom line Craig Smith to me
Is not that much better if better at all to Hump, I mean who’s next Najera, I think what the team will do and is smart is have Avery take a look at Hump first before making any crazy moves, unless it involves a B level PF not C level.
I mean I would rather take Hump because at least he can block some shots
Theres nothing special about Craig Smith he would have been signed already, let Hump play first is what I say, or at least let Avery look at him, you know Hump will bring it every night, he toughened this team up last year.
We need another body....
Zoubek is horrible and one injury would leave us without enough big bodies.
Craig Smith is about taking a flyer on a productive young player that provides depth and is cheap. No way would I trade assets for a stop gap.
I would agree with that
Just getting somebody to play back up, but I mean it should probably be someone like Kurt Thomas or an older Veteran, to help out Favors not another young dude, who thinks it can be his position.
I'd be okay with a vet...
But who wants to come to the Nets?
I only want three of the 10 Power Forwards Reamining from free Agency
Craig Smith-Toughness, good around the rim
weakness-undersized, not a great rebounder or defender
Anthony Tolliver-Good shots the threeand mid range jump shot has a decent inside game and is a F/C
weakness-defense a rebounding could use some help
Etan Thomas-F/C athletic plays defense and a veteran
Weakness- injuries never was really a starter.
If healthy, Thomas might be good next to Brook...
But I don’t want big bucks or years.
But isn't Thomas a jerk?
Let’s get Smith who will be able to score for us
Get Smith
Smith is a Great addition to any team..it’s not about replacing Hump, it’s about depth + 6 more fouls. Of course, it depends on the years {1-2 topps} and the money {no more than 2.5 yr}
Don't you think we need a veteran
For those 6 more fouls and to teach Favors and Hump for that matter?? Not somebody who thinks they can start etc, somebody more who knows there role.
Any suggestions?
Thomas is not coming to NJ.
Good point lol
I just know they wanted some veterans on the squad don’t know where else to put them.
What's your point ?
Smith is a vet, and hasn’t started for years., has a solid rep.
On the bench
With his injuries, but he could teach Favors a thing or two, but don’t know how that would happen.
It's possible you were dropped on your head as a youth.
KMart makes in the 15-17 mill a year catagory. We are not paying that to sit on the bench + tudor Favors. Favors has to play. Of course Kmart has a chronic knee condition and would spend most of the time dressed in street clothes. That would be a really smart way to cripple our cap + go nowhere. Form a group with the guy that wants RJ.
I guess your sarcasm meter sucks a bit
Runyall said he’s still tough!!! I followed up with on the bench with injuries!!!, so relax where actually on the same page.
we need someone who could start the first game of the season not the 20th game of the season.
I think KMart won’t be available until the 20th game of the season.
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 19, 2010 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nba Free Power Forwards
Tim Thomas
Brian Scalabrine
Theo Ratliff
Malik Allen
Kwame Brown
Anthony Tolliver
Brian Skinner
Craig Smith
Josh Powell
Steven Hunter
Kurt Thomas
Jonathan Bender
Earl Barron
Etan Thomas
Fransisco Elson
Luis Almundson
Sean May
James Singleton
Ike Diogu
to complete the whole picture
you should list all nba power forwards because i think avery and billy king are thinking to trade for someone. then look at 1) whose realistically tradeable for twill or c lee + picks 2) whose under 30 yrs old (which seems to be where the nets have been going and 3) whose contract will allow use to keep some cap flexibility. that will probably yield a more realistic overall picture of what is being talked about
Anthony Tolliver – Best All around available rebounding shooting even out to the 3 and hustle blu. collar type too.
Luis Amundson- Charles Barkley loves his hustle comes from a winning team. Rebounds plays hard and smart.
James Singleton- (see Tolliver)
If you want a teacher for favors ONLY Kurt Thomas really Qualifies from this list.
The NETS are coming!
Anthony Tolliver
He spreads the floor more than any player out on the market (Power Forward) while Lopez goes to work down low he now has three guys that can shoot Oulaw ,Tolliver,Lee out of the starting five. While Harris drives the lane he again has those same three guys to pass it to. Pick your poison Harris (fastest guy in the league when healthy) and go one-on-one or double team hoping someone misses the three. Lopez (growing into the best post player in the league) go one-one-one or double hoping someone misses the three). The Orlando Magic play the same type of style They go inside to Dwight or Nelson drives and kicks it out to whom ever is open.
But this doesn’t mean there can be other plays such as the pick and roll Harris and Brook. There is the lob Jameer nelson does to Dwight Howard and he goes up and get it. And you have guys that can play one-on-one Travis Outlaw, Farmar, James, Williams.
I've said this before, might as well say it again.
Either Josh Powell or Caracter, which ever guy falls out of the backup PF position for the Lakers.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Powell is a very good defensive PF who has developed a nice baseline game. He is a bit like a young Haslem as he is a real energy guy. He’s pretty bright and when Phil got feed up with his rotation he would turn to Powell to steady the game. He would cost very little and certainly would eat some mins.
Caracter was perhaps the best performer in Summer League and the Lakers are deeply considering keeping him. The problem with Caracter is that he has a real offensive game in the post, and this isn’t really something the Lakers need out of an occasional PF backup. The Nets might really like his offensive skills, and he has pretty good rebounding instincts and defense in the post.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I should have said “is a pretty good defensive PF”.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Powell’s per 36 is 10 and 7, which is pretty good considering that points don’t run through the PF when Powell is on the court, and there are often decent rebounders in the line up when he’s in there.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks KV...
Excellent …
Just looked up some Powell on the tube and he looks solid and Fluid. Another guy with 2 rings wouldn’t be bad. And Charachter is from Jersey but not a VET. I hope LA keeps Charachter maybe we get Powell
The NETS are coming!
Powell would not be a starting PF solution, but he would be a cheap 20 minute rotation guy. Caracter might be even a better fit if the Lakers don’t keep him.
Here are his highlights to give you a feel for his game. He doesn’t get a lot of elevation so he shot might suffer in the NBA, but he is very skilled in the post.
Unfortunately these highlights are Ebanks and Caracter highlights so you have to suffer through a bit.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Craig Smith? This better be a Joke
Just Start Favors what is wrong with this Front Office
So your not going to Start your 3rd overall Pick THIRD NOT 30 THIRD, because hes to young and what else he isnt ready, so he’ll be ready coming off the bench playing against abunch of strubs and then in 2 yrs when he is finally starting and when he facing real PF hes going to do great?
Why draft Favors 3rd if your not going to start him, why didnt we just draft Johnson or Cousins Because there ready ? and favors isnt ? i know his offense gm is Raw but give me a break how is someone suppose to score and be confident if there only taking 8 shots a gm and i know its summer league but who cares, just look at this stat
10-17 23 points and 11 rebounds
those stats happens when you give the ball to your young player and let him learn and give him a chance and let his confidence be positive
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
We want to develop talent
not kill them before they even get a chance to breathe.
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by MrDollarBills on Jul 19, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t start Favors because NBA PFs would foul him out in about 5 minutes, and his sensitive confidence will be crushed.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins over/under for weight coming into camp...
295.
I bet on the over.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll take that bet funny man.
Lets see if you put your money where your mouth is.
rofl
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by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Ummmm....
Cousins didn’t look so ‘ready to start’ last night.
Mr. Smith would be a lovely very cheap addition.
Chill. BTW: Smith2Williams sounds a lot cooler…super anonymous.
Cousins' last 3 games were atroious...
Imagine wasting a #3 pick on a backup center that doesn’t listen in the huddle.
Smith would be signed to provide cheap depth and some scoring off the bench.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the NBA decided to go to a 6 games in 7 nights schedule
Cousins would not look like he is ready to start, very observant.
Why was Cousins the only guy...
That was wiped out for the last three games of summer league? Brook got better. Favors got better. Cousins got much worse…not one game but all three. And then decided he was not going to listen to the coaches. Worst case…Curry; best case…Derrick Coleman.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Curry had none of Cousins skills.
Worst case Coleman. Middle case Rasheed Wallace. Best case a completely unique Big Man the NBA has never seen.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Curry has better post moves than Cuz
And a much better FG percentage.
Rasheed plays defense so that comparison is gone.
Coleman also defended so Cuz’s best case is Coleman’s offense with Curry’s defense. That’s about right.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Curry cannot pass, and passing is a HUGE part of Cousins upside. And he cannot shoot outside.
The Rasheed comparison is a psychological one. A uniquely skilled big man who undermines his success because of maturity.
I remember Coleman’s pro career. He did not defend.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
At one point...
Coleman was the only NBA player that could defend Shaq in the post.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That is a joke.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact of the matter is that if Cousins was a Net you would be spreading your nasty assessments on Favors or some other player.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
All the Cousins BS at the beginning of the week is why I am posting...
Let’s call a truce and reserve judgement until at least training camp.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So the BS has made you nasty about Cousins? What is the BS? Cousins is surprisingly gifted and somewhat immature. It doesn’t make the Nets idiots. As a basketball fan I appreciate what I see from him, its almost freaky how gifted he is, and I undervalued him at pre-draft.
And frankly all the Favors is Young talk is deeply frustrating. Young means you could bust, or you could thrive. it doesn’t mean you are bound to be a superstar.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Was “Larry Bird” next to “Can’t Jump”.
Have you heard of him?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Favors.
Worst case Stromile Swift. Middle case Nene. Best case Amare or McDyess.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
1st off, that 4th game was not as bad you make it out to be.
As for Favors, well, maybe he wasn’t too tired cause he didn’t do a hell of a lot in the 1st 3 games, ever think of that? I do remember people making excuses for TWill, not in his 4th game, but in his 2nd AND 3rd, saying he was tired. So no Cousins was not the only guy. Cousins played the most minutes in Summer League btw, so there is another reason why he might look tired and some others dont.
Next you'll be telling us Cousins can play PF
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don’t worry Milosh. At year’s end the comparison between the two will be embarrassing for the Nets. And I say that as a Net fan.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Thomas
I think he might be the guy for Avery well at least he fills the requirements Avery is looking for
1. Veteran
2. Forward that plays both small and Power that way Nets don’t go small while playing outlaw at the 4.
3. Can play Center
4. Scorer
5.Comparable to Al Harrington which according to netsdaily had diccusions with the nets.
This guy has a bad reputation he may be lazy, doesn’t defend, does’nt rebound but he sure had some games against the nets where he set that aside and went off for 20 and 8 a couple of times when he was on the Knicks and he is from Jersey.
Thomas is one of the biggest losers to ever play in the NBA
We might as well bring Antoine Walker in, at least he has championship experience.
Walker and Cousins are similar body types
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cuz did not listen to his coaches as a SL rookie...
That is a serious red flag. Practically unheard of. This should be getting more press. His lack of coachability is worse than anyone could have guessed.
Once again, it is unbelievable a rookie in Summer League ignores his coaches in the huddle. Avery would love that.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It was written up by people that were there...
Were you there to question their stories?
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad we selected Favors
He’s an easy guy to root for. Good kid. Good character. If Cousins is worn out after 5 games, imagine what an 82-game schedule will do to him. I love these Favors/Cousins debates. What else would we do until training camp? LOL
SL confirmed my belief that Favors was the right pick for the Nets...
But Cousins at least would have made Petro unnecesary.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He could have played 17 minutes behind Lopez, and he could have played 10 minutes at PF, and partially solved our PF problem as well. We could have made due at PF. Now we are in deep need of a PF in order to protect our investment in Favors. You can’t just feed this guy to the NBA PFs. If he is going to grow into a young buck its going to have to be slow.
So, you have the Petro contract. And you have whatever asset or cap space a PF is going to take.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
groan
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 19, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
We Are Snoozin', No More Losin'
Craig Smith just re-signed with the Clips. OK, it’s not the end of the world, but what’s the plan at the 4, AJ? Wake up King and let’s get it done.
Well Stromile Swift is ready to don the Nets uniform.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 19, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so.... that's That
We just need another body. And we need some size with that body. 6’9 or better with 230 or better
The NETS are coming!
It's July 19th...
And I am very happy with the offseason so far.
by rundmc00 on Jul 19, 2010 9:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How much did LA pay him?
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