Would the Nets Deal TWill for a PF?
by Net Income on Jul 17, 2010 10:39 AM EDT
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Dave D'Alessandro writes Saturday of Terrence Williams and his great value...as a trade asset that would bring back a power forward. No one is saying anything is close, but Dave D makes two salient points: after the Summer League, the Nets are being bombarded with offers for the 6'6" TWill and they seem to have filled their roster with players who play his position(s).
"The way the team is currently constructed, they’re already two-deep at the 1, 2 and 3 – which makes T-Will a third-stringer at all three positions," he writes.
Dave D also does his best Sam Smith impression and proposes three trade targets: Carl Landry of the Kings; Taj Gibson of the Bulls; or Ersan Ilyasova of the Bucks.
- Solving the Nets’ Power Forward Issue – With Terrence Williams - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
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Can we give him another year??
I think he’s to valuable to trade for the names mentioned above..
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
"too valuable to trade for the names mentioned above"
Yeah. He’s got lots of value of different types. As far as playing time, maybe there’ll be an injury here or there, a defensive assignment – even without a clear spot in the rotation right now you have to figure he’ll play. So young, improving so fast… Good chance he’ll be beating out at least 1 or 2 of those players for rotation time by ASB.
PLUS!!! He’s likely to be just as good or better for a later trade.
Too valuable
Yes he has great potentials . One thing that I value most is his defene. I remember him giving James Lebron some trouble . So if we get rid of him then it would create another problem. We already have Brooks that made some teams adjust last year because he has shown he could be a threat. With favor and humphries we have a good potential. If we can get Anthony then why not, but let’s wait and seeif Favor will develope then that will help us next yea recruit a go to guy , maybe Carmelo Anthony or David West at least
by JuliusIrving on Jul 17, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, he gave Lebron fits! He is one of the most athletic players in the league, maybe only behind Lebron. YOU DO NOT TRADE A GUY LIKE THAT! He showed last year in many games that he can be the best player on the court at any given time! To me he is the second most untouchable on our team behind Brook! DO NOT TRADE TERRENCE! INSTEAD, START TERRENCE! We will see results with him on the court! If we trade him, we WILL REGRET IT!
LETS GO NETS!
I am the leader of this bandwagon
I wish N.I. would have let me write this article.
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Knicks = Local
What's Dave D talking about?
He is assuming Farmar, Lee and Morrow will all be ahead of him in the rotation, which is ridiculous. We are not going to trade a kid of his potential, who was our lottery pick last season, and who showed such great promise just because we added a bunch of one dimensional role players.
I don't think they do a thing
for quite a while. Wait to see how players look in summer workouts. If Favors shows greater potential than expected, they might not make a move. If the reverse is true, they might move quicker.
And read closely: the guy who they really like is James, who can also play three positions.
I like Damion a whole lot, too
But I doubt we trade TWill because we added a rookie we selected with a late 1st round pick.
Immaterial where he was selected.
that’s over and done with. He looked like a lottery pick in the summer league and they love him. That’s what is material now.
Usually I agree with NI, but...
Andres is right.
by NBRITM on Jul 17, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there is no double standardq
You think equating a second rounder who is not guaranteed a contract with a first rounder who is guaranteed $3 million.
You think a player dropping 20 places like CDR did compares to a player dropping six or seven?
And the Nets never loved CDR. They love James.
yes, it is
you say it’s immaterial to point that a late first rounder won’t make a stud who was taken in the lottery expendable, yet you were always trying to downplay CDR as a player because he was taken in the second round.
Andres
This was my point in my Fanpost. It is logical to think that TWill “could” (didn’t say he “would” ) be the odd man out. You still never said what his role should be. I’m all for keeping him but if you guys think he’s on the no trade list, you may get dissapointed.
Is this article serious? What does Farmar or Lee do that’s all that great? You dont trade a guy with that much potential for a middle of the pack 4 without giving him a chance.
Not to mention a middle of the pack 4
that we would have to get rid of in 1 to 2 years anyway.
I have to believe if they decide to go after a 4 it will probably be an expiring contract, and you aren’t going to give up an asset like TWill in that scenario.
Outlaw, Lee, and Harris all missed significant time last year as well. TWill is not going anywhere unless he falls out of favor with Avery. TWill’s talent is going to get him on the floor otherwise at the expense of 1 or 2 of those players and perhaps as a starter.
Thanks Andres B.
I never liked david Lee, specialy because we had to give up Ryan. Can we just trade Lee back to Orlando for Anderson? even if he does’nt improve, keep him around for his rookie contract, for his excitment. I do not want a lame team that win games. The only other player that is fun to watch(at times) is Harris and he’s a knuckle head.
You mean Courtney Lee, not David Lee
And why not try to get Ryan Anderson back. He could be adequate and much cheaper than the names mentioned.
Also
Funny that Dave D says King is getting more calls about TWill than for any other player on our roster. I thought it was us Nets fans who overrated him. Also, the fact that he’s the guy other teams are most interested in our roster should give the Nets something to think about. He’s one of our 2-3 most valuable players. Teams aren’t knocikng our door to get one dimensional role players like Lee, or others Dave D assumes would be ahead of TWill in our rotation. It’s so ridiculous it’s not even funny.
then
why is he the player we get more calls about? Other than Lopez and maybe Favors, he’s the player most teams would like to steal from our roster.
to other teams TWill looks like mini-LeBron
in a small way he has a similar skill set and similar, but worse weaknesses. It’s his potential that people are sold on. On our team, he is 3rd at three positions which makes him tradable. Same thing happened to CDR. And neither of them endeared himself with the coaching staff, perhaps because they wanted to be traded to some other team. TWill had a spectacular summer, he looked like an unstopable force there. His value is at its peak, this is the time to trade him for a PF, if one is available.
so you're trying to tell me
TWill is expendable and a 3rd option at 3 positions for a team who won 12 game slast years yet he is the player other teams want THE MOST in our roster? I don’t get it.
They're enamored with his potential
He has potential, no doubt. But from my pov, he’ll never give us anything of positive value, so he can go where he wants to.
This.
Though you had damn well better be sure you extract max value. I’d be quite satisfied with Taj Gibson if the Bulls were willing to do it.
Eh... on second thought...
I checked Taj’s numbers and age. Forget it. I’d rather have TWill, even with his attitude.
LOL!!! then who do you rate ahead of him ? NET income?
i will trade harris b4 T-will at this point
i agree with you most of the time
but i think you are wrong here t-will is valuable yes, but not more valuable than harris. The other teams are calling for t-will because they think he will be a star and they think they can get him for a low price now, not because he is the most valuable
Are you kidding?…Teams Value Potential Enuff said. So what ur saying is Favors is the least Valuable because he’s unproven and is all potential? get a clue
Actually yes, not too many teams are going to be willing to trade their star player for raw potential
Ok then back to the subject… U claim Harris is a star… John wall is full potential. I think the nets will trade Harris for wall in a second… Thnx I thought ill agree
by nwkiddnj on Jul 17, 2010 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you consider Wall potential fine, but its clear he isnt. He is NBA ready, and personally I would not make that trade right now.
I dnt even have to argue with u after that statement. Btw does wall shoot the ball well? Wall was drafted because he has the most potential along with cousins. turner was the NBA ready player…. And u saying u dnt trade Harris for wall is laughable
by nwkiddnj on Jul 17, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d rather build a team and let them learn together before I take it apart for some one whos not a superstar. And there arent too many things that John Wall doesnt do with the ball well. Lets be real if he was all “potential,” he wouldn’t have gone #1
how would trading harris for wall be taking it apart?.. we were a 12 win team favors is for the future so u build toward the future. Harris is not the best option for the future.
do you watch college basketball or just read what the analysts tell you on tv?
John wall is already NBA ready- the same way derrick rose was when he made an immediate impact.
His speed with the ball in open court is already allstar caliber. I’m tired of hearing Evan Turner is more NBA ready because he played two more years in college- Its gonna take Evan a year or two to get adjusted to the size and speed of this game. John wall is already fast and athletic enough- great vision are arguably a better jumpshot in college than Rose did(which isnt saying much). Lets not forget that he can also play good on the defensive end
bro that keeping it real
I think t will is a very valuable piece of nets future and should be left alone .He will be a good point guard
by oswaldjoseph69@yahoo.com on Jul 17, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If you're going to shoot, shoot don't talk-Tuco
Doubt the Bulls would give up Taj, Illyasova I don’t know but Taj is worth it.
by universal on Jul 17, 2010 8:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
who's talking about the future?
Taj is a rotation big he and Humphries could platoon until Favors is ready.
because
whoever you bring in at the PF now will be a15-18 minutes bench player for years to come once Favors breaks out. ANd that’s not worth losing TWill.
That's a lot of speculation it's too early for fantasy talk
this team is rebuilding from 12 wins. Once the dust settles and we see what player’s bring on the floor then we can discuss the future better.
Outlaw and Humphries can cover that if need be
We don’t need Taj
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
TWill for Ilyasova or Gibson, no way. Landry maybe
Depends on who we get. Obviously if we get a godfather offer we have to consider it even if we have Favors
Landry
is an undersized, back up PF who has only one year left in his contract. Trading TWill for him would be utter lunacy.
Would have to include...
… the Kings 2011 first round pick unprotected to even think about that deal.
not a fan of Twill
I’m not a big fan of Twill, but he’s not worth to be traded for any of these PF on Dave’s list. If NETS see Favors as future PF, then Humph should be good enough to teach him the basics. He’s shown reliability in the past (for Nets and Dallas).
Muwu
Talking preemtive assumptions? Go figure..
Now that Dave D has talked about Twill is it OK now?
No, I'm not extrapolating what our rotation is gonna be like from someone's statement
Discussing who I would and would not trade for is not preemptive assumptions. Yeah, go figure
I'm taking it you didn't listen to the conference call?
There was a direct question about the starting lineup going into the season by a season ticket holder. Avery said Brook, Devin, Outlaw and Clee. No extrapolating needed.
The preemptive assumption is that there is no way we would trade Twill for Gibson or Ilyaxova? Like I said before, it’s ALL speculation and conversation.
That's what im saying.. If we're going to give them Twill.
They might as well give us NOAH..
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Jul 17, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Carl Landry
But I’d hate to see T-Will go in order to get him.
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I'de like to see Twill get a shot to compete
I wonder if the Nets are using the media to up his trade value and motivate him. If I was a coach I would use the media with Twill
So we Trade one of the players that give us hope for the future?
For what? a potential Back up PF?…if Favors is our guy we trade no one valuable for a power forward. Get some Bum to start for half of Season then let favors take over midway
this this this
We don’t need a great PF. WE need to get a stop gap at the PF while Favors learns the ropes. And trading TWil for a player like that would be stupid.
Actually we need a really deep front court and if that means trading T-Will or Lee if the offer is right then it should be entertained.
by Jid on Jul 17, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i would rather
throw favors to wolves and start him rather than give t-will away for a second rate, stop-gap power forward
by Gminski on Jul 17, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
would you have started Twill on his first day in the NBA?
He absolutely sucked in Summer league last year, just like Favors.
We do not have to trade anyone to get a stop gap PF
Get one for 3-4 million per for a few years, he will also be our 5th big.
and we could sign him for cheap
and hol onto TWill
Landry is a good player, just not worth losing TWill, feel me?
Smith's a free agent o.k. gotcha
TWill only has one year left on his rookie deal I believe they own his bird rights too.
Let’s just say they did trade TWill for Landry would they get Landry’s bird rights?
That way they could offer him the most money. Think I said that right.
Whose option – player or team?
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
craig smith
If I am not mistaking, he should be a free agent. He currently does not have a contract. He can come on to the Nets, start right away, can bang bodies despite being underheight but wide body, does not cost u much, and can go to the bench when favors is ready. WIN WIN situation here!
by Dynsty on Jul 17, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From the basic stat line...
…C Smith is like K Hump lite. What’s the point of signing a lesser version of Hump? Just another no-so-big (6’7")?
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If they keep talking about it
It will probably happen and will we be that better off? Who’s even left at the PF position that isn’t more of a role player themselves? Is this the “big splash” everyone is talking about? The sound Net’s management jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge with a cement block tied around their feet. I thought it was “all new,” looks like the same old thing one dumb decision after another!
I am T-Will's biggest fan
but I would trade him for Landry in an instant (if his contract didn’t run out next year). Landry may be undersized but he’s a dynamite scorer, not to mention super efficient. I don’t think the Kings would do this though – T-Will’s game is too similar to Evans’. At this point they need to surround Evans/Cousins with shooters and defenders.
hell no. i wouldn't give twill for nothing except an all star
he gona b a beast in a few years n if we give him up we gona regret it 4ever.
Ppl fail to understand, T-will can be a 16,5,5 type of guy
you dont throw that away for a PF that may only play for you for 2 years tops then goes to the bench
I agree completely. We can probablyy get a cap relief power forward that’s serviceable. Favors needs at least 15 minutes a night.
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by robertjamis on Jul 17, 2010 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
YES
how can ppl think that twills actually 3rd string? he’s out lottery pick, he has great skills and potential, and he’s better than all of the backups at those positions except maybe morrow. clee sucks. the only reason he even starts is cuz he can defend. well with Avery, twill will return to the lockdown d he played in college with pitino pushing him then we can get rid of lee once and for all and end the logjam
by tian17 on Jul 17, 2010 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I repeat my question
Why is Dave D the ONLY bewat writer who speculates about trading TWill to get a PF? Kerber talks about adding a vet and then, if there’s success, absorbing an EC like Kmart’s or Murphy’s.
cuz Dave d is completely wrong 50% of the time
btw trade courtney lee cuz he’s horrible
by tian17 on Jul 17, 2010 9:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if u mean Courtney thn yes he is
his only skills are: defense(which is valuable I’m not denying that) and shooting (which really isn’t that good considering he only shot .338)
by tian17 on Jul 17, 2010 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
.338 is above the LeBron line
but CLee had an off season
Go check Kittles stats and get back to us on that one
Kittles was >>> Lee on both ends of the floor.
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It is a pretty decent comparison really
After Kerry came back from the surgeries in 2001 he routinely put up about 13ppg
Just giving Kittles his due respect...
…everybody longs for the days of KMart, but Kittles was right there on the greatest Nets teams ever. He was a lock down defender and a killer finisher on the fast break. CLee has not made much of an impression on me so far.
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Terrence Williams
Ultra talented… a lot of upside, but far from a sure thing. I wouldn’t trade him for those PF names. But with our backcourt depth, he’s by no means untradeable.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jul 17, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions
Twill also doesn't fit our direction in style
We no longer want slashers, penetrators for dribble-drive, but shooters and passers to spread the floor for the big men. Twill still doesn’t can’t shoot. Will he ever learn? maybe.
We no longer want slashers, penetrators for dribble-drive, but shooters and passers to spread the floor for the big men
TWill is the ONLY wing the Nets have with anything ressembling apssing skills.
Or the ability to create off the dribble...
… not a strength for CLee, Morrow, Outlaw or DJames.
Actually, Outlaw can create his shot off the dribble better then TWill
His shots actually go in too.
twill can pass...
and u never turn down a guy who can get to the rim and finish. never. not in any system.
by tian17 on Jul 17, 2010 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
T-Will doesn't pass?
smh
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by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery said in the conference call
The team has depth which creates competition. TWill will have a fair chance
+ 1
young guy with a jump shot who is a pest defensively the only thing he can get banged up against strong physical Forwards.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 17, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If true, this is idiotic
If the Nets trade TWill, it will just cement the suspicion that Avery knows one way to build a team identity, and feeld the need to fit everything into that framework. TWill has such a unique skill set, that, in my view, you build around him—that is, you find the best way to use his talents and minimize his deficiencies by surrounding him with the right pieces.
In my view, you start out with Brook Lopez and the center, and TWill as the SF, and you figure out what other sorts of players you need to complete the roster to make the team as successful as possible. It really isn’t all that difficult.
Over the last six months of the season last year, TWill was playing regularly, and the team was playing better than it had all season. He was often the best player on the floor—for EITHER team. There is absolutely NO reason why this guy shouldn’t be playing 30 minutes a game.
by Dumpy on Jul 17, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I've always hated that argument.
That’s like saying Lebron James shouldn’t be a small forward because he’s not small.
The season is only 6 months long...
…so uhmmm, say what??
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Dumpy meant 6 weeks not 6 months. And I agree 100% with everything he said. This is what worried me so much about hiring Avery Johnson. Right away he started talking about ‘my system’ without even analyzing the talents of the team. He is not a great creative mind. He wants guys to fit into his scheme, and in case anyone forgot, we don’t have an in his prime Dirk Nowitzki on this team. You don’t throw TWill off the ship, its lunacy.
My bad, weeks not months.
And I still say Twill is the next coming of Magic Johnson. Give him another season before giving up.
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
@ Dumpy
There are only a few untouchable/untradeables in the NBA – and none of them play for the NETS. So TWILL is tradeable.
As far as Avery and his “system”. His system in Dallas was different then what he ran with the Spurs (one Pop says he helped create). He was in fact very adapt at fitting players into roles that highlighted their skills. Including Devin, including making Josh Howard an all-star, including helping Dirk become MVP.
I think when you talk about system with Avery you talk more about approach, attitude and thinking basketball. This is where it will get hard for TWILL. Avery is not streetball. Avery is about putting people in the right place to make the right decision. Players need to make the right decision….is TWILL disciplined enough?
It’ really about t-e-a-m. Avery is building a team he thinks has a chance to succeed. He not only needs the right skill sets but also depth at each position. Twill, with all his talent and potential does not fit the scheme the coach is working on. Therefore he has to be traded for someone who does.
I don't Agree
You COACH the players on your roster. With Such a small sampling of T-Will on pro level its unfair to say he won’t fit. What is Avery’s system anyway? Offensively , Defensively? IN DETAIL. Is it a trapping defense? Box and 1? Triangle offense? Pick and pop? Motion? High post?
I haven’t even heard anyone mention what it is we will be running. Just that TWill doesn’t fit it…lol. Silly. He is a better more willing passer than Devin. The best rebounding guard on the roster. And can SCORE. I didn’t say shoot I said core. And he is GYM rat so the jumper will come.
You know what I have an I idea… Send TWil to the Lakers for Luke Walton or Josh Powell. And we can see him turn into the new Kobe. He would get schooled and refined with mastery and probably becomes Kobe’s stunt double to begin then his wing man then his partner and eventually his replacement. There I said it.He needs to go to a major market so we can still see him play.
Getting rid of a player with THAT much talent without even trying to coach him would make me very weary of the COACH. And if the phone is ringing off the hook for TWill then the league has spoken. There is something to this kid and the league is trying to rob us… lol.
If a PF was sooooo important Haslem was perfect we should have offered him 5 for 40. We should have overspent on that. Good defensive minded PF’s who rebound are hard to find. Scoring SF’s are a dime a dozen. Sign Kurt Thomas or Amundson and be done with this. We can get Bass without giving up T-Will too. Tho bass isnt a volume rebounder.
The NETS are coming!
it would have to be a legit starting quality power forward like Smith from Atlanta or why bother. Just let Humpheries and favors do the job.
Hump could break out with AJ's coaching.
I say give him a chance.
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
What is the love for Carl Landry and some of these other guys?? What have they really done in the league? Sure nice player, BUT, not guys who are all star caliber.
LETS GO NETS!
Considering how Taj Gibson is doing the same
I’d say thats a lot of considering.
Not really
Most of them have establish players but remember T will played with a C+ coach and also the roster is not that good. Look at rince and Hamilton, with billups gone, McDyess and Wallace gone, what happened they become invisible. So let’s give these guys develope, it’s only basketball they just need to keep on practicing and learn from their mistakes and recognize that. Favor and Brooks can alternate and provide screen plays which can l help players like T Will do his penetrations and have options for a shooter like Morrow and James for outside shots and drop pass or alley oop pass on either Favor, Outlaw and Brooks. same thing with Devin Harris. so this team is not flashy but have the correct ingredients. Not like before no PF at all, Yi is a small forward but for asian competitions he is strong enough to be center or PF.
by JuliusIrving on Jul 17, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Acne?
..but seriously, he has skills and no discipline. And a goofy look. So he gets no respect. But he had stretches where he was very productive. I think there is more there. In the right system he might flourish.
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Not happening.
Harris’s salary is 9 mill per.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Farmar TWill DJames Favors Lopez , have enough shooting from farmar and James, Farmar could also set the tempo up the court and put the ball in TWills hands to control the half court set, plus they are young and defensive minded, hands down thats the line up i would like to see the team move on with in the next couple of years
I could see that happening
Next year. Too in experienced , the only one in that lineup who has starting experience is brook. The Nets are built for the future. in a few years we will have a team that compete with Miami. BUt now it will be a baby step better. T-Will is the as big of a part of the future of this team as brook is and it would be completely idiotic to trade him for any of the players mentioned in the article. The only excusable trade involving him would have to net an All Star player.
by bettacalltyrone on Jul 19, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this actually being considered?
This is absurd. Ilyasova? Come on man. They only trades I’d sign off on with using Harris, Lee, TWill, Picks would be for Melo and CP3 if we could steal them away. Otherwise let’s stay put
by corky_romano4life on Jul 17, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
WHat DD smoking? He cant be seriious
Twill for laundry, gibson, ilyasova?
thats funny…
Everyone on this board (including NI) were saying twill would be an ideal 6th man…
rather sign earl barron than trade our sixth man for a stopgap pf (who isnt good anyway)
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I really don't understand the allure of trading T-Will, it simply makes no sense to me.
This team is in a rebuilding phase and althougn Proky promised the Nets would make the playoffs in the first year of his 5 year plan the Nets have to decide whether they are trying to rebuild or win. If the Nets were to trade T-Will for someone of Landry’s caliber it would be counter-productive.
The Nets need a stop-gap player until Favors is ready to start, presumably next season or late this season if he develops quickly. I think Humphries starting for half of the season is sufficient, honestly I still think the Nets can win with Humphries starting. Yes, Humphries is a below-average defender, but he is an aggresive rebounder with the heart and hustle that the Nets need. Maybe he can be a bit of a nut, but I think Avery can change that.
The only reason to trade T-Will is if the Nets believe his stock is as high as it’s going to get. I don’t think it’s even close to the ceiling, maybe, just maybe, if T-Will plays very well during the season and the Nets can swing him for caliber PF, but I wouldn’t understand that either.
The Nets drafted a PF with the third pick, the third pick. I know Favors is young, but does he really need 2 full seasons before he can start? Why are the Nets discussing trading a valuable player for a PF when they have one waiting in the wings. I just don’t understand trading T-Will, I would trade Harris before I traded T-Will.
You make a good point
by bringing up Williiams trade value. If he isn’t able to find his niche in the new offense and his minutes decline , then his trade value could decline as well.
Personally I think the Nets should start Favors, but it seems most are against that.
And apparently so are the Nets.
no
if the nets trade twill i will be piss the f off
No, no and no
If Landry, Gibson and Ilyasova is all that Twill can fetch then I’d rather hold on to him to be a “third stringer”. This has to be a joke if those are the only players that Twill can get. I mean, I know we need someone at the PF spot but I’d rather go with Humphries than those players.
by brooklynbound on Jul 17, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Clee shouldve played in the summer league
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
It reminds me of A. Randolph
I think the Warrior are going to regret trading him because they didn’t like his attitude. He is going to average 15 and 7 for the Knicks this year and his trade value will go back up. Unfortunetly the Knicks will hold onto him until everyone realizes that he can’t play within a system.
It's a losing mentality
You simply don’t trade a very talented player for a average at best player to fill a void. If we were one player away from really competing, then you can consider it; the Nets are not one player away.
Landry is...
…except for the one year rental thing.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
this is stupid
its pure speculation by one beat writer…i dont think avery would trade twill…he realizes that twill is good and possibly starter material
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
T Will is not third string
He’s better than any of the players at those position except for Devin Harris. Also enough of this throwing away a future stud potentially for a stop gap PF is pointless. We arent’ going to be that more competitve for it and I’d ahter be worse this year than give up a great player in T Will. And then nets can spalsh not a stap gap PF all they want but at the end of the day everyone wants Favors to start in a year or two and T Will is going to get us back a big enough name anyway so the trade would just be a waste.
yessir
everyones main argument against twill is that he has no jumper and he is immature. well he has improved his jumpshot every year in college, just go see his stats. and he’s gonna mature, he’s just a sophomore. hell the nets overreacted on cdr cuz he wasn’t happy with losing.
by tian17 on Jul 17, 2010 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
actually CDR couldnt keep his mouth shut and thats what got him traded
and he is happy about the trade so maybe thats what he wanted the entire time
by mikeyexcel201 on Jul 17, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Read the article about McCants on insider if you have a chance.
I swear, switch up the name and you’ll think its about CDR.
Its comical that everyday I read people on here trying to...
…act like T-Will is utter garbage, yet the Nets are being bombarded with offers for him.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
If he was garbage there would be no way to trade him and get a good PF in return.
I think at least 90% of the people on here understand that.
we shouldn't trade him for a stop gap, PERIOD
it’s a stupid idea. I’d rather go into the seasons with Hump, Favors, and Petro sharing minutes at PF instead of trading this kid, this soon, for a PF that won’t even matter in 2 years.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Haven't seen enough of Petro to make an honest assessment of him compared to Boone
he can’t be any worse, from what i’ve seen though. And I like Josh
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Boone was given a qualifying offer for around three million
If he can’t find a better offer he may sign it and come back to the Nets for another year, that might end up being our back up forward.
was he?
I don’t remember having read that the Nets extended him his QO. Would like to see him back, tho.
yeah same here
I know NI said a bunch of times they were going to renounce his rights, but I don’t think that ever officially happened, or was ever reported at least. And I haven’t heard anything sense.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Boone is much better
and only a year older
by calling all toasters on Jul 17, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
A Dose of Reality
While I agree, it doesn’t make sense to trade TWitt straight up for the guys DD lists, the circumstances DD lays out are accurate.
TWitt is a Jack of All Trades, Master of None. TWitt may be a better player than Farmar, James & Morrow, but…
As a PG, Harris & Farmar are much better than TWitt.
As a SG, Lee & Morrow are much better than TWitt.
Twitt’s best fit on this team would be at SF, however Avery loves Outlaw & pushed for us to overpay to sign him. He’s definitely starting. If it’s true that Avery also loves James, than DD is right…TWitt is 3rd string at the 1, 2 & 3.
It all depends on the vision Johnson has for this team. Obviously we put a premium on shooting this offseason, and that’s where TWitt falls far short. I have no doubt that we were “featuring” him in Summer League to try to increase his trade value. The fact that he fetches King the most trade inquiries doesn’t mean he’s one of our best players. It means that teams think he has the best combination of talent & expend-ability. Pre-lottery, Harris was similarly fetching the most calls in the If you get John Wall mode. If we had landed Wall, Harris was the most talented, expendable guy on the team.
Personally, I think we should think bigger. Put together a package of TWitt, other players & picks, and get a guy that can really play like Josh Smith.
You have no idea how Avery plans to use Williams
and neither does Dave D.
Calling him “3rd string” is laughable.
You plug and play the kid. That’s it. He will be a factor on the floor.
All of a sudden, he’s a 3rd string player. A guy who showed flashes of promises when he got his act together in March and April is suddenly a 3rd stringer.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why
I said it all depends on the vision Avery has for the team. You’re right when you say that right now nobody truly knows what Avery’s vision is. However, I do think the circumstances surrounding this offseason point towards him being 3rd at the 1, 3rd at the 2, & 2nd or 3rd at the 3. If that’s the case, and you can use him in a trade to get a guy that will be your 1st & eventual 2nd at the 4, you do it. The reason I like Smith though is if/when Favors develops, Smith can become the 1st stringer at the 3 or at least the 1st forward off the bench & still average 30+ minutes.
at Mr DB
Calling him "3rd string" is laughable.
How can anyone think TWill is worse than Lee or Morrow? Others teams don’t, that’s for sure. That’s why we’re getting bombarded with offers for TWill while nobody is knocking our door for CLee.
Bombarded?????
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Please name ONE offer we have received and turned down.
Woj asks:
Where should they shop him?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
How can you be so intellectually dishonest?
By now, Billy King knows this, because he is getting more calls about the kid than he does about other player – and these solicitations have been escalating since Orlando, where T-Will’s summer league showing drove his value to an all-time high.
Not Favors, not Harris, not Lee. Williams is the player ion our roster other teams are most interested in.
Intellectually dishonest cuts both ways....
We are getting calls in part because teams suspect TWILL is available. No one is calling about Lopez. Is TWILL better then Lopez?
other than Lopez
no one is untouchable. They could e calling about Harris or Lee. But they don’t call as much as about TWill.
Maybe because people think Lee and Morrow are better then TWill
Because Lee started OVER TWill and Morrow played more minutes on his team then TWill did on his?
Lee played like CRAP for most of the year, yet he was given a FREE PASS by Kiki, because he and Yi were his pet projects, and he was gonna play them no matter what just bc he traded for them and wanted them to look good.
Lee was playing defense and wasn't being a negative factor on the floor
AKA not turning the ball over, not taking a lot of bad shots, etc
Lee and TWill's pre-allstar numbers
TWill: 6.3 ppg 3.7 rpg 2 apg 0.6 spg 1.5 TOs 37% FG 28% 3PT
Lee: 11.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 1.9 apg 1.6 spg 1.2 TOs 42% FG 31% 3PT
minutes?
Because Lee was stinking the gym up yet being giftwrapped a starting role and 30+ minutes a night.
that's the best you've got?
Now you can just attack me? this is the 2nd post you do this without brining anything to the discussion.
at muwu
my point being that if TWill had played the same amount of PT his numbers would have been similar if not better. There’s a 12.8 mpg difference, so those numbers you posted first mean little to me. Obviously a guy who gets 13 mpg more every night is gonna put up better numbers.
It's not about putting up numbers
It’s about being less destructive. TWill had HORRIBLE shot selection early in the season. His terrible field goal percentage reflects that. Keep him out there and you’re basically tanking
Indeed.
TWill was terribly inefficient for the most part. He never got to the line and made horrible decisions with the basketball.
He did finish the season strong, which for a rookie is important (and significant). I just need to see how he performs when forced to play under control, team oriented basketball for 82 games.
and too be fair
in summer league he just KEPT throwing it to empty areas of the court. so many pass-to-nowhere to’s…
Ok summer league is what?
3 days of practice with guys you don’t know who don’t know the system etc. It’s sometimes spacing and anticipation. I watched D League Twill turned it over a lot for someone learning to play Nba point guard. And had one bad shooting game. C’mon Son!
The NETS are coming!
Well When you put it that way
I’d have to say that i agree with most of what you’re saying. i just think that we shouldnt except less than he is valued. great athlete but he needs time to develop properly which is why we dont let him go. We are a young team we give them time to develop. Just because of proxy 5 year plan doesnt make us a win now team.
by bettacalltyrone on Jul 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
this team is so full of it
when i think that the team has made a turn for the worse I hear some BS like this.
We are willing to trade a player who has great potential for a PF that will what start for 2 years.
If we needed a player at the four that bad why the heck did we draft Favors? Another player that has “potential” but has showed he shouldn’t even be stepping on a NBA hardwood. Yet a player who has showed he can played and starting to improve we are willing to trade.
Not the injury prone point guard. who since coming to this team his defense took a turn for the worst.
I find it hilarious the same people supporting a trade for TWill are the same who were asking for time with Yi and felt he was a good addition
I keep hearing lets build like the Thunder well you are aware they allow their young talent to flourish.
This team is a joke seriously. What are you trying to do?? Build, win now or what?
Team is still full of excuses.
When they were embarrassed in the off season and the blueprint for success looked like a joke.
They preached patience and youth.
When Favors looks like he will be a 4 or 5 year project. It’s give him time to talent we will be building young.
Yet what difference does trading Twill make.
Such a joke
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 17, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
exactly
the intellectual dishonesty on here is stunning.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
lets start BOONE!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
wtf
i hope this is not true…why would you trade such upside away from a team whose whole plan is to develop young guys with upside??? two deep at each spot? so what? i would much rather trade away lee, outlaw, morrow or any of those guys than twill!!! this would be stupid…….
by lennythegreat1 on Jul 17, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
they are clueless Lenny
and based on what’s gone on so far, they will probably give our away one of our only true assets for another scrub.
hopefully not
just when i was happy with the direction were heading in to be an OKC type-team, a rumor like this comes along. honestly if they do this i will be PISSED that it wasnt as part of a trade for scola…or dlee…i mean why do this at THIS point in free agency when all the real PF talent is gone???
by lennythegreat1 on Jul 17, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Those proposal are great.
The problem is the TWill doesn’t fit those teams at all. Both Bulls and Kings have a ball dominating guard, adding another one who can’t shoot just doesn’t make much sense. This is why we’ve been discussing trading Lee for those same players even though i personally would much rather keep Lee. Funny, seems like TWill doesn’t really fit anywhere huh. But if those ideas are a possibility I would be more then happy especially with Landry.
the ideal fit for twill would be Golden state
so how about a 3 way deal with GS and Indy
nets trade Twill Outlaw First
nets get Granger
Gs trade Monta
gs get Twill Outlaw First
Indy trade Granger
indy receives Monta
solve a need for all 3 teams…..we get out splash all star….gs gets someone who can handle the ball and help Steph Curry create and play off the ball without hurting his growth like Monta will….and Indy gets there pg and actually a better scorer at the same time
by mikeyexcel201 on Jul 17, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not bad, still no PF starter
I’m pretty set with our roster. Making a huge overhaul like adding Granger is too much imo, just wanna add that PF and call it a day.
i might regret this
but really not liking Outlaw right now.
I think he’s a waste of time for this team.
exactly netsball
Outlaw is completely USELESS – horrible signing especially at those years and at that money. They will regret that very soon. RJ should be out starting SF.
not even close Jid
RJ would have given us around 14 or 15 PPG with about 6.5 boards and solid shooting perentages. Not to mention he wanted to come back, always played hard for us, is a solid defender and has invaluable playoff experience. No contest – Outlaw is useless and now vastly overpaid.
what????
RJ stopped playing defense 5 years ago. OMG.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
so I guess you wayched every Bucks and Spurs game
the last two seasons huh Dollar Bills? Nice to have that kind of time on your hands and still catch all the Nets games too.
no i didn't
but i saw enough and read enough that leads me to believe that RJ is a shell of his former self.
If Richard Jefferson was as valuable as you’re painting him out to be, he would have already been signed.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
throw last year out for RJ
San Antonio simply wasn’t a good fit. Take a look at every other season in his career and then get back to me.
the season before he got traded out he didn't play defense, did not rebound, and was a black hole on offense
come ON bro. what the heck is going on in here????
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Before RJ actually played the SPurs seemed like the perfect fit
but he failed! George HIll became more valuable than him
Isaac, do you watch basketball?
Honest question here. Because Richard Jefferson is GOD awful
NetsDaily has gone insane this morning. I’m seriously convinced.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Dollar Bills...
Just about had it with your comments directed towards me – what you are saying makes NO SENSE. RJ was a vital member of the two FInals teams and even put us over the top for our last playoff win vs Toronto when your boy Vince couldn’t get it done in the crunch as always. The guy was a GREAT Net not a good one and is so many worlds better than Outlaw it’s not close.
this is 2010, not 2002
you can’t be serious.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
you’re kidding i saw alot of spurs games to see RJ he lost a full step since he’s been here . I was shocked he decided out of his 15 million contract.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 17, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Once again...
As I tried to say a few days ago “The Nets have shown no real committment to Terrence Williams” and again I was shouted down by a couple of people again.
Nonetheless, it is absurd that they would be willing to to deal this guy for anyone less than than a true star (and I mean this in a trade package not one for one obviously). This guy has real potential and is actually exciting unlike almost everyone else on the roster not named Brook Lopez. What a shame this is.
+ 1
i agree with you here . he’s the big trade chip. but not for second or third tier talent.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 17, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, and James is your ideal bench player if you ask me, so its hard to move him behind anyone else.
i would start James
and bring outlaw off the bench at the 3 and sometiems the 4
TWILL=Ticket sales
It would be smarter from a business point of view to trade C Lee rather than TWill. Due to the fact kids/fans will come out to see TWill and what new exciting things he’ll do on the court. They don’t have a lot of reasons to draw fans striking out in free agency with the big names. TWill and Morrow would make a good tandem at the 2. C Lee and Morrow aren’t too much different. IF they trade Twill it better be in a package for Chris Paul otherwise I’m gonna start losing interest in this team this year
by MaTT FiNGaZ on Jul 17, 2010 11:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
good points Matt
attendance is likely to be very similar to the Meadowlands after this miserable attempt at adding big free agents and with the team still planning to leave in two years but yes at least TWill is an exciting play and most importantly gives this team a chance to win a few more games. If CP3 were involved, that’s another story but Carl Landry?? Seriously?
Yeah, i could just see people lining up to see TWill. WOW
TWill = tickets sales, just WOW.
Were you on Seinfeld once?
The tennis pro?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
is Taj Gibson even THAT much better than anyone we have at PF right now?
ersan ilyasova? please.
He’s known for his defense, which he is pretty good at just not worth trading T-Will for considering Terrence has more upside. I would however entertain a C.Lee Taj deal
i wouldn't trade Lee either
for a STOP GAP player?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
good point
neither would i
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
You're fired up today, DollarBills.
I like the intensity, but be careful. I don’t want to see you a crazy homeless person in Newark wandering the streets mumbling about stop gaps.
Yes, he is much better then any PF we have now.
Once Favors is ready, Taj would be an excellent player off the bench. I dont get why people insist on calling this type of move a stop gap. You trade a BENCH player for a 2 year starter that turns into a bench player later. Sounds like a win to me.
Ersan LLyasova + 1
i’ve been crying over . you give the bucks owner Herb Kohl 3 million and a second round pick and he’s running to the bank to cash that check.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 17, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, how about Jeff Green?
With Serge Ibaka making strides, Cole Aldrich being added, and DJ White and Byron Mullens continuing their growth, they have room to shop him around. Terrence Williams would be a hell of an addition to OKC’s bench.
Why not Kevin Durant?
Its laughable at how high some of you think TWills value is.
I'm not saying it would be T-Will for Green straight up.
I’m simply thinking of players that would be a good addition to a winning culture and beyond the dreaded “stop gap” we all seem to fear.
I’ve been accused of both overvaluing him and undervaluing him in the last hour. I don’t know which way is up anymore.
Ha. Yeah, it happens (over/under)
I dont know if you saw the post somewhere above about stop-gaps. Gibson, Thompson, Landry type of guys are not stop gaps, these guys would be some of the top big men of the bench when (if) Favors is ready. How is that not enough value for TWill?
As for Green, ignoring the fact that we would have to give up way too much. I’d say i would be just OK with him. Again,with getting any PF we need to consider (and hope) eventually he will need to take a back seat to Favors and then what? I dont see Green as a guy you waste coming off the bench. But he is pretty versatile, so if you’re getting him with the idea that he’ll temp at PF and then be moved to a starting SF then i would be good with that deal.
Green is definately more of a sf than a pf. He would be a great fit as a starting sf for us, but a bad fit at the pf position because his height and rebounding disadvantage. T-will is a better prospect than both thompson and gibson, really only gibson helps at the 4.
by Sparklespice on Jul 17, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
How is that not enough to trade T-will?
Because 1. Because trading for a stop gap makes no sense. If we want a stop gap we could use Humphries and Boone. Gibson is no better than them.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
No he's not
I don’t get why people faun over this guy. he was a 24 year old rookie who saw a alot of time because he was on a team who’s front court depth consisted of Joakim Noah and old man Brad Miller. He’s a decent role player, and that’s about it.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
? How is he better than Boone?
I don’t think Boone is that good, Gibson just isn’t that good either.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Lol right
or you just have no argument other than unfounded bias so you’re just going to say there’s no point to continue because you have nothing to say.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
How is he a lot better offensively?
what does he do better offensively? He’s a better jump shooter, but we have a stretch 4 in Outlaw which pretty much makes that irrelevant, so what exactly does Gibson bring that we need?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
boone is bad
even though gibson is an old rookie, there is no argument. boone could only get 16 minutes per game on the worst team in the league that was short at his positions. TG played 27 min. a night on a playoff team. boone is basically a big spaz – .328 FT %?!
The nets would have to give up than TWILL for green
But i do agree that I could see Green being a guy OKC could trade. There were a few fourth quarters that Green couldnt get on the court against the lakers because they went big with ibaka and collins. Now with aldrich- I can see OKC signing a big man next offseason because it will be their last opportunity to do so before resigning all these guys.
If OKC was smart they would mold green to be their odom type player- 6th man who plays major minutes and depending on the matchup finishes games
Now Green is a stud?
That dude was not worth th high pick he was taken with. He has the tweener syndrome. He’s too stuck between the 3 and the 4, can’t guard neither position and is not all that good on O.
to me...
….he also wet his pants in the series against the Lakers. The dude seems like he isn’t ready for prime time.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I am asking myself
if TWill can become a scorer that can get you 20 pts a night , every night. And it is to early to tell.
yes he can
everyone is talking about defense in here but recalling last year we had a bigger problem on offense! we need a go-to guy and if this rumor is true we are trading away our best potential go-to guy since vince…i really hope that is all it is, a rumor…
by lennythegreat1 on Jul 17, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Id rather us use his Defensive capabilites more. Thats the only reason I’d trade Lee before him. T-Will has potential to be a legendary defensive player, someone people talk about after he retires the same way they talk about gary payton. He wants to win DOY as a G and thats unheard of. C.Lee is a really good defender, but Ill take legendary over really good any day.
Hasn't shown the same commitment to it
And please, show me the evidence in a game of his “legendary defense”.
Its more of his athleticism, that fact that he actually said that, Avery Johnson, and he works out with Gary Payton.
Being athletic has nothing to do with defensive skill
Shane Battier is one of the best defenders in the league, and he’s not joining the dunk contest anytime soon
Just how? His shot is nothing to write home about
He’s athletic but in no way does he have the finishing ability in terms of different moves to be as creative as other people.
it looked better in the D-League
It was his shot selection that was horrible. IF he just learned what shots to take and what shots not to take he would have a decent FG percentage.
well
we saw him start to break out at the end of last season as a triple double threat…i know the FG was low but there was no one else to go to. now that we have more wing guys that he can throw it out to…and we know from that he can pass…maybe he’ll be able to find some more space for better shots. isn’t that the idea of a go-to guy – meaning he can either score or attract double-teams and kick it out? he’s as explosive as young vince was. i honestly think he should start i’m not even sure why people are talking about lee starting…
by lennythegreat1 on Jul 17, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Favors is ready to start
did u see favors posterize slava?
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Yeah.
If he does 2 of those a game he’ll have four points.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 17, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, if the can’t do it against washups and rookies, JUST WAIT til they play against A-list men.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Again can't base ANYTHING on summer league. Good or bad. You or I don't know what happens between now and then, you or I don't know how it pans out
Brook only averaged around 5 rebounds a game in summer league, Jerryd Bayless and Nate Robinson were terrific summer league players, there’s not a gigantic connect
Favors might not start right away
The Orlando summer league was alot tougher on these rookies as they played 5 games in 5 days, Vegas plays 5 games in 10 days. Cousins had a couple of good games. but seems to need more rest as noted with limited minutes in college and lots of fouls.
I think Favors should get 20-25 minutes first month and if it works out good start him after that.
MY GOD
Another excuse for Favors. Wake up dudes.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Was there anyone who doubted Cousins would be better year 1?
Even if cousins has a better rookie year doesnt make Favors a better pick. I dont understand how people could think Cousins and Brook could play with each other, definitely not in today’s NBA. You need your 4’s to be more athletic than that!
It's funny how people dismiss Favors' potential yet salivate over TWill's
Say what you want, but at the end of the day TWill still doesn’t have a large body of work to lean on. You can throw out summer league since well, Jerryd Bayless’ dominating summer league play didn’t exactly translate did it? Summer league isn’t an indicator of anything at all.
TWill still has to prove himself consistently before he rightfully reaches the level of veneration he gets. Until then he’s just as much a potential player as anyone else.
I mean Gerald Green had all the tools in the world to be an amazing basketball player, it’s still about putting it together in the right way. Let’s calm down about anointing him the next hall of famer till the regular season actually starts
by muwu on Jul 17, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
how can you even mention TWill and Gerald Green in the same sentence
You say Green had all the tools to be a great player… he didn’t possess TWill’s passing skills nor his ability to rebound, nor the versatility to play any perimeter position. That’s what makes TWill special
It's not about the variety of skills
Fact is Gerald Green had all the tools to be a good player. Shooting stroke, athletic ability. Just wasn’t able to put it all together in the right way.
I mean, Boris Diaw is a guy who can play the 1 to the 5. It’s not all about that
How come no one in the league has offered anyone for him?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
again
get your facts STRAIGHT, you shouldnt make such a statement about something you don’t really know has happened or not:
By now, Billy King knows this, because he is getting more calls about the kid than he does about other player – and these solicitations have been escalating since Orlando, where T-Will’s summer league showing drove his value to an all-time high.
Wake up. This is what GMs say (without specifics) when they are SHOPPING someone.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
whatever
you were wrong and will try to spin this so I’m not gonna keep banging my head against the wall. LOL. The guy is reportedly the player other teams want the most out of our roster, and you try to make it seem as if the Nets made this up bc they’re shopping him. Unbelievable.
He is actually right and you're the one trying to spin something
He asked you to show 1 example of interst in TWill, you showed a generic quote from the GM. Try again.
lol what
Is that hard to understand?
Generic quote?
Williams is the player others teams want from the Nets. NOT LEE. NOT HARRIS. Dave D even says the calls are increasing after the SL performance TWill had.
What else do you want to admit you the TWill HATERS are WRONG?
That's ridiculous
Teams would love to have Harris and Lee. It just depends on the team and the deal. Teams are biting on TWill because they probably look at our roster and think that they can get him on the cheap. He is a beauty in the eye of the beholder type; with upside potential. Winning teams would love to add Harris or Lee – at the right price.
that's just you assumption
Fact is TWill is the piece other teams would like to have the most out of our roster.
that is an assumption
and it is most likely wrong.
You don’t think teams would want Lopez? They realize that he is not on the block. Of course he is going to get the most calls because there is a FOR SALE sign on him.
Lopez is the ONLY net who is untouchable
That’s why other teams don’t call about him.
Harris, Lee or TWill are pretty good pieces. But noone of them is untouchable. Yet TWill is the one who draws more interest from other teams.
and when you have a FOR SALE sign on a player
you are the one offering him to other teams, not other teams calling about him. Read Dave D’s article. One of the reason he thinks Nets should trade TWill is because of the interest other teams have him, which is way higher than those Harris or Lee can draw.
Wait till favor plays a full season
the same group wouldn’t trade him for Lebron. LOL
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 17, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
We hired Billy Freakin King
to run the team. I fully expect a trade of TWill for a ridiculously overpaid Drew Gooden, by around late November.
yep we're screwed now
some of this is just truly unbelievable starting with King.
So, it's fairly safe to say...
we’re a group divided on this the topic of trading T-Will.
Those are Dave D's names
no one else’s.
And all this nonsense about adding extra bigs is a bad idea. every good team has three solid bigs.
And really, nothing is going to happen any time soon. It just isnt.
yeah the stupid thing is, Dave D is probably just writing this as speculation, not from any info that they have some deals on the table or anything
It’s speculation!
Whats wrong with speculation?
Its what we have been doing here isn’t it.
James seems like he's going to be very efficient...i would start him over outlaw and twill
but i wouldn’t trade TWil for Gibson…
Outlaw should really be a bench player though on good teams
I’m just hoping James will be that classic 3 who does everything efficiently
This is the crazy thing.
It is symptomatic for fans of very bad teams to over rate their own players, to a crazy degree. Its called dreaming on potential, and it happens all the time.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I call it
the Hassan Adams Syndrome.
The day the Nets dumped Adams there were warnings that this 6’4" power forward would come back and destroy the Nets.
Not a lot of players dumped in the Thorn Era got better after they left the Nets…and that includes the Big Three. The exception is Stevie Jackson.
Twill has the potential for Hassan Adams syndrome.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
twill already contributed more last season
than hassan adams…how can you make this comparison?
by lennythegreat1 on Jul 17, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The REACTION and the romantic appeal to potential.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
well the reaction is this
hes not UNtradeable…BUT…why wasnt this done when there were still actually good PF’s available like Scola or DLee…why do we have to trade away the potential for a scrub instead? or is that just the standard that has become the Nets’ standard?
by lennythegreat1 on Jul 17, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
CDR is Legit!
Let’s talk about CDR’s skills after the season starts. Maybe right after the Bucks play the Nets and he drops 20 points on them!
by CDRFORTHEWIN on Jul 17, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes you see
People will always love potential. The same people who dissed Favors for being all potential while Cousins was a proven thing now hold a guy who is one the large part still a potential player in the highest esteem, even over proven guys
Nobody is calling Lee a “triple double machine” or freaking out that he might be traded.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Lee you see
is a proven commodity, a starter on an NBA FINALIST as a rookie.
Nets value Lee more. Both last year and now lhis year.
Should tell you something. Very different coaches and yet they see Lee as the better player.
Lee is a proven commodity yet other teams aren’t knocking our door to get him, unlike what they’re doing with TWill, who is the player King is getting more calls about.
Also, where are you coming from with this stuff about the Nets valuing Lee more than TWill? Other teams certainly think otherwise.
And teams aren’t knocking on the door for Twill either. He is being shopped by the Nets.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
You can’t tell the difference between a “leak” being used to shop someone with “upside” and actual trade offers.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
difference being
you are the one trying to spin this as if it was the nets leaking such an information in order to get rd of TWill. You were wrong, and now aretrying to make it seem the other way around. Sorry. Keep trying.
There is NO SOURCE in the league from any other team that anyone has any interest in Twill.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
You don’t think other teams have reporters?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
You should send your resume
to the Post, Star-Ledger and the Record. You seem better informed than actual beat writers. Keep making guesses and trying to spin the information that PROVES you were wrong.
The beat writer has a relationship to build, and part of that is passing on the bull that the GM of that team sends out.
Again, name a “beat writer” from another team, ANY OF THE OTHER TEAMS that supposedly ringing the phone off the hook, that even suggests in a tiny way that Twill is being considered as something to be traded for.
When that beat writer has been identified I will then agree, there is at least ONE team that might be interested in him. Until then the reasonable thing to assume is that our new GM is playing GM games and trying to drive up interest in a player he would really like to trade.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 17, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
lots of offer are made and they are necessarily mentioned
because they are just turned down, so what importance does that hold?
TWill, no CLee, is the guy is wanted the most from our roster by other teams. That’s the bottom line. You can try to spin this all you want, that’s the way it is.
If there are real offers they get mentioned by the OTHER TEAM’s reporters. They say things like “The Nets Twill interests team x” or “GM z really loves Twill”. Its pretty simple.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 17, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
when did Avery say
TWill is worse than Lee? I mean, seriously. He actually praised TWill. Lee? I have yet to hear the kind of praise he gave TWill.
He said Lee would start at the 2
if the season began today and Morrow might challenge him. Didnt mention TWill as a potential starter…all in the conference call with season ticket holders.
If I remember correctly
Didn’t Lee really shine towards the end of the season and in the playoffs? Because I remember in the beginning of the season he wasn’t even in the rotation. So lets see…Both Lee and Twill struggled early on in their rookie year, yet both played better towards the end of the year. But yet Lee is a proven commodity for his stellar play while Twill is still unproven because he has yet to show maturation beyond 7 weeks.
the problem is though
that lee is past the nba “break-out” stage, which i believe is consistently agreed upon as being the second year. twill is about to break out…or not, to be fair…but we should see where he goes with it – i think it’s safe to say that lee is past that
by lennythegreat1 on Jul 17, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
What? 3rd year is the common breakout year, and even then, that's incredibly early
You expect all players to break out in their 2nd year in the league?
not speaking about my expectations
i have read before that the second year makes or breaks it most of the time. an example is on our team – brook broke out last year. i could be wrong on this statistically…but either way twill looks like he is about to break out or not – we should give him the chance…
by lennythegreat1 on Jul 17, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
you would trade him away for the type of player that can be easily had on the open market?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Other teams recognize the ability that TWill has. Its why they are trying to trade for him. They aren’t trying to trade for Lee or Harris. And they werent lining up at Travis Outlaw’s door to offer him a big contract.
there is nothing in the Dave D article
that says there are no calls for Courtney Lee or Devin Harris.
That’s because the Nets are “leaking” for someone they are shopping .They are not shopping Lee (and no one would take Harris because of his contract).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
you dont know that either
you surmise it, think its logical. it isn’t. You don’t know the motivations of anyone in this: Dave D or his sources.
When a GM is shopping someone this is EXACTLY what they say. When there are actual trade proposals names are named.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Name a single player being offered for Twill.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
what's your point
He is the player other teams want most.
Name one players other teams have offered for COurtney lee. Oh yeah right, he’s not as wanted as TWill. Ouch!
Nobody is offering for Lee because the Nets aren’t shopping Lee. They aren’t offering for Twill either.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
LOL
So no matter what the information we’re reading is, we have to trsut you that nobody is offering for TWill. Sigh. this is getting more and more ridiculous.
You don’t have to be shopping a player in order to get offers for him. If you are shopping him, you are the one offering him, not the other teams. Read DaveD ‘s article. It’s the other way around. It’s other teams offering for TWill. Calls have increased after his SL performance.
He is the player other teams want. Not CLee. Sorry. Keep trying. SMH.
Or to put it another way. You don’t think that if they got a single viable PF offer the Nets wouldn’t jump at the chance? The Nets are in a very bad position with Twill. Teams aren’t blind, they know that there are very few minutes available for him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
He says Williams is the player other teams want the most on our roster. NOT HARRIS, NOT LEE. IT’S TWILL.
Really? So what? Teams would love to go after Dwight Howard, but they know they can't.
They believe they have a shot at Terrence. Okay, so? That doesn’t mean he’s better than Harris and Lee. Either, they don’t feel the need to go after Harris or Lee or can’t provide the pieces to pull of the trade. That’s just weird logic on your part.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Or maybe, jsut maybe, they think TWill is the more valuable piece. Neither Lee nor Harris are untouchable, only Brook is, anyone who wants them could make an offer, yet we aren’t receiving as many for them as we do for TWill. That MUST tell you something.
this this this
but the TWill haters will tell you it was us Nets fans who overrate him and his value
hater is a term used
when people run out of argument.
No one HATES TWill.
Some people simply disagree that he is the next LeBron James.
Mini Lebron doesn’t mean he is the next Lebron though. Just means he models his game after Lebron a bit, which TWIll has actually said he does. Does not mean he will become as good as Lebron, or anywhere close.
Mini means
“not as big”
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Wake up, there have been people repeatedly calling him Lebum
Yet whenever thats brought up, its always, well i’ve never seen anyone say that. Here from MrBDrown in a thread about TWill a few hours ago
I actually like C-Lee however, if he was such a Great shooter we wouldn’t have gotten Morrow or Outlaw 2 guys who’s calling cards are shooting and both play on the wings as well. T-Will is better for the Team. I watch T-Will and at times see a "little Lebron".
Nba franchises don’t usually fare well trying to "rid themselves" of those kinds of talents at such a young age. If he is traded we better get a total Stud in return.
NOW have you heard a single person say it?
First of all, I do not monitor people posts’ so religiously like you seem to do. Secondly, again, they call him a ‘little’ Lebron, like others have called him a mini Lebron. When people use qualifiers like that, its not meant as a literal interpretation of TWill being a couple inches shorter or a few pounds lighter. It means that TWill does some of the things Lebron can do, just not nearly as exceptionally. One of the things I really like about TWill is that he is not shy about saying he models his game after Lebron. If you want to be great, why not model yourself after the best?
There are plenty of comments above (before i made mine) expalaining this
mentioning LeBron and TWill in the same sentence, regardless of the context, is ridiculous.
Chris Webber would have a seizure if he heard this.
Morrow is a three point specialist
his two year record is better than any two year record ever by a Net, better than Petrovic, better than Kittles.
Lee is a more complete player.
im a lebron hater
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
For his three-pointer that beat the Nets
when they had ball possession and a two-point lead with about a second to go?
Yes
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Twill reminds me a lot more of DWade more then anyone else
their playing styles are really similar…
at Net Income
Are you kidding me?
You said TWill was a BLOWNdraft choice. I will bring up that quote if necessary. The reason you gave for such a statement, they were as flawed as the arguments you currently use to attack him.
What has become of Twill? I mean, beside becoming the next Lebron, Carter, Kidd, Wade?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
this is his 2ND YEAR
What is wrong with you guys? Seriously, it’s getting ridiculous
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
NI Wants T#ill gone?
Uh ohh..deja vu..NI made these same negative remarks about a recently traded player he didn’t really “HATE” (but he really did). Sounds like opening verbal hate salvos to me..
by CDRFORTHEWIN on Jul 17, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I like TWill
but I am not so in love with him that I think he plays like LeBron James or Dwyane Wade or that he is untouchable.
as for CDR, he’s just annoying.
except for the fact that Igoudala can't handle the rock like Twill or isn't as fluid
I don’t see the likeness at all actually except for the fact that they can both dunk really well
Well can you guess if this is talking about TWill or Iguodala?
Outstanding in transition first and foremost, is absolutely deadly in the open floor thanks to his strength and athleticism. Not quite as effective in the half-court, but still manages to produce in a major way. Lacks consistency on his 3-point shot, which may be the biggest part of his game holding him back.
First step allows him to get to free throw line at a very good rate. Tough to stop once he has a head of steam. Finishes with authority. Can jump over defenders if he has to. Not all that effective in pure one on one situation, lacks some advanced ball-handling skills and tends to settle quite a bit for tough pull-up jumpers.
Has most of his problems when he’s forced to pull up off the dribble. Very good passer. Can drive and dish.
TWill ain't exactly a PG in terms of ball handling either
He’s still more turnover prone than he should be
Another part of T-Will being a 2 and not a 3 is his height
I know he’s listed at 6’6, but when I met him last year he was an inch or two taller than me and I’m 6’2.
Andreas will tell you that you are really 6’ 4" and don’t know it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
LMAO.
He does use impeccable facts in his debates that you just can’t argue.
I think he can put up Andre Iguodala numbers at his peak
17-6-6 isn’t really unreasonable if he keeps his head together
TWILL is speculation
The article like most others this summer is hypothetical and specualtion. Its not a serious rumor. Notice how Billy King didn’t mention C Lee when addressing Nets assets but did mention T Wills big upside. I hope we stick with him and see how he grows. KURT THOMAS Billy King KURT THOMAS. Great mentor and no threat to breaking up core
by MaTT FiNGaZ on Jul 17, 2010 11:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
anyway all this twill talk is pointless until we see him during the season
but how about Damian James?? the most efficient rookie i’ve seen at the wing spot for the nets
Exactly, he gave Lebron fits! He is one of the most athletic players in the league, maybe only behind Lebron. YOU DO NOT TRADE A GUY LIKE THAT! He showed last year in many games that he can be the best player on the court at any given time! To me he is the second most untouchable on our team behind Brook! DO NOT TRADE TERRENCE! INSTEAD, START TERRENCE! We will see results with him on the court! If we trade him, we WILL REGRET IT!
LETS GO NETS!
i would love nets to get kurt thomas
by jaydee2327 on Jul 17, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I have been saying this for weeks. Kurt Thomas would be a very good mentor for Favors. Kurt was never athletic as favors but kurt thomas can show favors the type of game we need next to Lopez, toughness, rebounding, and mid range jumper.
Yeah he is old but 1 yr with 2yr option would be perfect.
SUMMER LEAGUE...
I’ve watched most of the summer league games…Demarcus Cousins looking the most impressive. Wall good stats but looks out of control at times. Damion James very solid BUT honestly Summer League is glorified pickup games w no real set plays. STOP scouting players based off 4 of these games. Zoran Planinic had amazing summer league stats a few years back now look
by MaTT FiNGaZ on Jul 17, 2010 11:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
O, it hurts Nets Nation to think that there beloved Twill could be traded! It hurts Nets Nation to think that Twill is 3rd on every depth chart. The audacity of Dave D to tell the truth! IMO Twill is not a disciplined player and he will clash with Avery. He does not show any intensity on the defensive end ( I watched a repeat of game 5 against the Pistons in 05 or 04, the triple OT game! Just saw the OT’s and the last 5 minutes of the 4th, but man could those guys play d! and boy did they have mental toughness). Twill should be traded if we can bring back any of the three that Dave d suggests. I think all are long shots since, Bucks have lots of wings, Chicago has wins and is so high on Taj, and Sac, needs him since they would rather dump Thompson’s bad contract. Twill could bring back something good. Say goodbye to his mecurial play.
twiil = impact player, clee = hardly any impact at all
twill needs to shoot better, no doubt, but his upside is about double clee’s. clee has played a ton of minutes already, he’s about as good as he’s going to get. and please stop over-rating lee’s defense. he hustles, but who did he shut down last year? the nets were dead last in the league in defense
You want him to be responsible for all 5 player on the court? Is he supposed to carry our defense on his own?
Against ISO sets, Lee only allowed .72 Points Per Possession on 33.8% shooting while forcing a turnover 15.2% of the time. Overall, there are 450 instances of Courtney Lee on defense tracked by Synergy. In this situations, Lee only gave up .97 Points Per Possession on 42% shooting while forcing turnovers 7% of the time.
Like what? Is he responsible for the power forwards that lit us up all year? Is responsible for Dwight Howard's dominance over us?
Defense is a 5 man game. One player breaking down is all it takes for it all to collapse.
And just how is 1 player supposed to affect all 5 players on the court at the same time? Just because we have 1 good defender that’s supposed to be reflected in team stats?
he could stop guys from stepping past him and getting into the lane once in a while. i’m not saying he’s terrible defensively , but some fans are acting like he’s going to make the all-defensive team. never going to happen
Please, Thabo Sefolosha can make an all-defensive team, Lee can too.
Draftexpress had this to say after just his rookie year:
Winning organizations always have selfless players like a Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell or Tayshaun Prince, and Lee fits that mold perfectly.
On the defensive end (which will be examined further in Part 5), Lee is often asked to guard the opposing team’s best perimeter player. His size at 6’5 and slight frame was a concern coming in to the league, but Lee’s toughness and good lateral quickness has turned him into a defensive hound.
More often than not, the biggest adjustment for players entering the league is on the defensive end, due to the enhanced speed of the game. For Lee however, he’s had a fairly smooth transition on this side of the ball and has proven that he has a chance to become an elite defender in this league.
I will say it again
everything I am hearing from this team makes me believe things will be getting worse.
The Nets have no directions where they are headed.
Okay winning is the goal? Why not overpay for players??? Hmmmmmmmm?
If winning now is the goal. Why draft Favors?
Cousins was more NBA ready.
The Nets are sold on James because of what Summer League? Wow they must feel stupid when they see Cousins putting up the numbers he has while Favors in summer league looks lost.
This is stupid I see no point in trading Terrence yet preaching about time and youth.’
We have an injury prone point guard and we sign a SF who is a bench player????
Come on the Nets have no idea where they are going.
Hiring Billy King too?? Get out of here with that.
This team is a joke. Don’t even mention The Thunder of the East. They went from 20 to 50 wins with the improvement of their young players. Did they make any moves during the summer?? No patience.
The Nets are a joke.
Seriously no one can justify trading Terrence Williams while passing up Cousins and drafting Favors.
What are they hear and seeing the grades people gave their off seasons??
Did they see all that talk and no results was a joke.
Farmar Petro Outlaw and Morrow and yet we are in win now mode??
Who are we the Knicks or the Thunder
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 17, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
Killa man you are killing me.
The Nets have no directions where they are headed.
Killa, this is all speculation. Avery speaks about his system but WE dont know what that is.
Killa please
they threw there hat in the ring with Lebron they tried . the only way to do it is losing gettin in the lottery and gettin stars thru the draft. they signed all new bench in free agency that are young enough to grow up with the lottery picks. that’s the direction get another piece this lottery to go with Lopez and Favors and T-will.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 17, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
they're gonna make good role players
calm down…no on is saying this is gonna be the final roster…
Plain And Simple
T-wil is the next Andre Igoudola same game is a point Forward in a guards body, until Avery realizes it these speculations will come up. The only way T-will will stay is if they get a midiocore PF that way Outlaw plays the PF and T-will plays the SF.
If we get Anthony Tolliver I call it an offseason he had career highs of 34 points and 22 rebounds he can shoot the three,mid-range jumper and a post up game he is being overlooked because he played in Nellies system, but people dont realize you still have to put the ball in the basket, the rim is the same diameter, its still the NBA and you can put a guy like Ross in G.S. system and I bet he wouldn’t thrive.
Tollivers stats 12.3ppg 7.3rpg 2.0apg 32.3mpg Not afraid to go after the ball just look at the 4 Youtube highlights thats the start of a good defender.
Yi stats 12.0ppg 7.0rpg 1.0apg 31.0mpg Many of you wanted Yi back and there you go and his age for all we know.
look
I’m a twill supporter. but until we see how he performs during the SEASON and if he’s made any improvement and how he compares to our other wings, we can’t really judge him. even the naysayers say he has potential. that means he could greatly improve over the course of the offseason. that said we don’t know what averys gonna do with him , we don’t know how twills gonna play, and we don’t know how stupid Billy kings gonna
be.
by tian17 on Jul 17, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
good News!
Billy King would not trade TWILL for a power forward….or anyone else. His big splash is being bright enough to keep him at all costs. He is a year or two from perennial all star status, and everyone sees it. Of course every team in the league is calling for him….cause the NETS are a bumbling franchise who might just give him away….I think Billy King is a little wiser than Rod Thorn
First of All.....
We are never going to build a winning team by trading away Drtaft Picks before they have had their chance to prove themselves…TWILL was able to get some playing time and I agree that he will at least be very similar to a “Michael Ray Richardson”………I still think that if he can develop an outside shot he can be closer to a “Magic Johnson” type player……And I never thought about it but with that shot he can be closer to a LeTerrence type player……He has alot of confidence and needs to develop some more….FAVORS will be our Home Grown Super Star PF…Let him and TWILL grow together and we will grow into a winning team……
Come On NETS Fans
1) Dave D has shown in the past few months that he is losing all creditability. Most of sports reporters have lost creditability with me. Correct me if I am wrong, but hasnt He been writting some really bad articles lately and we dont know why? Actually since Proky came on board he is been kinda bashing this team. We dont know what his motivation is.
2) Lets talk Lee. Lee is the perfect role player. Anyone that thinks Lee is going to be an Allstar or a great player needs to really re-evalute there expectations. Lee is a starting SG along the lines of Kittles, Raja Bell, and Bruce Bowen. He is going to DEFEND the opposing perimeter player while hitting open 3s. Lee can also run the floor. if Avery implements moving without the ball, Lee can be very affect with coming off screens and catch and shoots. Where lee has his issues is scoring off the dribble. That isnt his type of game. We all saw it last year. That wasnt his fault but lack of COACHING. IMO LEE IS A KEEPER.
3) Trading TWill, IMO this would be the stupidest move that this current NETS Management team could do especially for the Player Dave D is suggesting. Dont get me wrong, for a PF like Horford I would be more then willing to trade Twill for him along with a pick. IMO people dont see Twill’s role here. Twill is a 6th man type of player. IMO he would come off the bench. With the addition of all these shooters, twill will be instrumental in getting these guys the ball. Drive and dishes will be a staple with this team next year IMO along with Passing out of the post. Twill has proven that he is VERY capable of driving and dishing. More capable IMO then Harris. YES, Twill needs to work on his jump shot, but with all these shooters, IMO it will develop. Position wise, I think Twill will play PG, SG, and SF depending on squad he is in. This year he will play more SG. He will attack the opposing defenses when they need to double him that is where Twill will burn teams with these shooters. I can see Twill being first player off the bench. YEAH we added Morrow and Outlaw but those guys dont have the all around game that TWILL has. That is the point. IMO Morrow was brought to replace Hayes as this teams sharpshooter. Bring him in to score some points. I dont think we should expect good defense from him. Outlaw I like as a player and dont like his contract. We have to remember this guy has potential but he is always injured. Twill has more skills then Outlaw. Outlaw will start and in some possessions will play along side Twill.
Damn I will stop now this too long.
1) We’ve been talking about these ideas long before Dave D.
2) Lee will never be an all-star and neither will TWill
3) Al Horford, a young, all-star PF stuf for TWill really? What exactly do you have against the players Dave D is talking about?
You clearly have misread my post
1) I didnt say Dave D brought this up before us. I said I dont think he knows what he is talking about now.
2) Where in my post did I say Lee or Twill will be an allstar. I would be naive to think this team SHOULD have 5 Allstars ALL on ONE team in one season or if these players were kept together over short period time. I cant even imagine. Do you think we should have an Allstars at every position? Do believe in role players? WoW!!! Even the NBA2k10 Miami Heat will only have 3 allstars unless Mike Miller gets enough touches to be considered.
3) That was an example. I didnt say we can get Horfold for Twill straight up. I said that If we were looking to trade Twill for a PF I would consider PF that worth while.
notice: Dave D never has any inside scoop on anything..
most of his writing is his own assumptions
I'd like Landry.....
But not for TWILL or CLEE….Just trade a pick or two…….If not than , OH Well…..We have alot of players with great potential…TWILL…CLEE….ect….Let them Grow.here…….
The Nets, in the last 3 years, have rarely given up GOOD young talent. Under Thorn, these recent years have seen us pile up stars like Lopez and Terrence who were really steals in the draft. If King trades TWill, he will regret it and we will regret when Williams becomes a 14/6/8/2/2 guy on a winning team. Please, If you have ever seen this kid play, hes got what any team needs, please keep him
If we trade Twill
I would hope it would be for Lamarcus Aldridge or Millsap..I like landry but if we dealt twill for Gibson or Iyasova that would be atrocious. Twill has so much potential I don’t see him being a 3rd tier player. If Twill is the only way we can get a starting PF then I say we hold onto him and just throw Favors into the learning process quicker and let the kid make mistakes.
Wow...
I’m praying there won’t be any more posts containing even the slightest mention of our beloved T-Will until the season begins.
I mean… Wow.
by ECClarke on Jul 17, 2010 1:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No way we trade T-will
Would be a terrible move for this franchise. He’s just a 2nd year player and he’s still oozing with potential.
No thanks to a trade for Gibson/Landry.
Dave's right, as usual
TWILL, for all his wow potential, is without playing time on this roster, as it is now comprised, with no major injuries. I too love TWILL’s “sparkle”, but would trade him for TajGibson in a heartbeat. However, Chicago aint trading Taj, because when, not if, but when Boozer goes down, Taj will step right in. Maybe we can shake loose Landry, or that Turkish guy from Milwaukee? I just would worry that TWILL becomes a triple double machine elsewhere. But Dave’s right, where does TWILL fit in with us right now?
Paul from Delray Beach
MOST RIDICULOUS SPECULATION SINCE THE LEBRON JAMES NEWS
Are we that desperate for a power forward that we are willing to trade one of the future of the team? To me TWILL should really be starting at small forward. What did we pay Outlaw for if we are not using him at power forward? If weren’t so confident with Favors being ready to play at the get go, we should’ve gone with Cousins. Everybody was saying Cousins is a head case and yet people forget how Kenyon Marting wasn’t that far off too. The only trading chips we have now is Hump, picks, and money. Let management get creative with that. We keep on saying this team missed out a lot of good players in our past drafts, and yet nobody stops to think what if we actually got those missed player, would they be good with us too? The biggest problem with this team is its inability to develop our own drafts into real players. Hopefully with the new coaching staff, that will change. Now we have a really special player in TWILL, the same type player whose potential is as high as Lebron’s, Dwade’s and all the superstars had when they were starting; I hold this team responsible if they are not able to harness that potential. We trade him now, and I will guarantee you that we will pay for it later. The only real reason why TWill will not succeed with us is in our inability to develop him.
Keep T-Will Minutes is not a problem
Avery Has 240 minutes two spare with 11 players. Here is my way to distribute the minutes. During a season these numbers will rise due to Overtimes and Injuries.
Brook 36
Tolliver 28 – sign this guy he’s young and carrer highs of 34 pnts and 22rebs even in nellies system thats good
Outlaw 28
Lee 28
Harris 36
Williams 20
Petro 8
Favors 12
James 12
Morrow 16
Farmar 16
Humpries 0
Yeah, lets not trade TWill for Landry.
Lets play him 20 minutes and give Tolliver 28 instead.
NEW UPDATE!
We need one bad because this TWill speculation has run its course….and notice the title of the article is WOULD..eliminate that “would” then I’d be worried.
by MaTT FiNGaZ on Jul 17, 2010 1:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
As of right now T-will is the starting SF on the depth Chart
He has a andre iggy game and will be a great 3rd option on any team….I see him being utilized as the sixth man and AVERY IS THE MAN MAKING THE MOVES NOT BILLY KING and Avery is a big fan of T-Will….I don’t think any of those guys make any sort of sense in terms of value we’d get back…. I’d trade away Clee before trading away T-will they both offer the similar defensive ability’s but T-Will has other intangibles that CLee doesn’t ….that being said I would sign Tolliver b4 I trade for Landry because landry can’t rebound…Tolliver could probably come very cheap and would be a upgrade over humpries..We’ll see what happens we do need a starting PF though
he is on the depth chart
I guess they’d have to play Bo with that bloated contract….he’s either going to be starting at the 3 or 2 or at the very least going to be a 6th man
I see T--will as our future 2 with Clee backing him up
I hope we are exciting this year but at the same time I want to be a lottery team so we can get either perry Jones or Harrison Barnes at the SF position and we’d be set
Terrence should be given 35 minutes a game! The kid can play. He is a potential triple double every night! There are few players in the league who can achieve this. He is only going into his second year. We got a steal in back to back drafts. First Brook and now Terrence. I like him best when he has a point guard like Harris on the floor with him. That way we have two guys who can create plays. Devin and Terrence are perfect together.
LETS GO NETS!
this makes no sense
I’m not even all enthalled with T-wills upside, like some posters, but dealing him for any of these guys sounds like a complete waste. If he’s not valued enough to be a big part in a deal to bring back a big time player, not just a stop gap, then why even deal him. Give him a chance to build his value? It makes zero sense to essentially sell low.
And Gibson? He was incredibly old for his class, he was a 24 year old rookie, why would we want him? It’s unlikely he has much upside.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jul 17, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree. I hated T-will for most of last year, but to me Taj gibson has little potential, Carl Landry is a poor rebounder which is not what our team needs, and ersan is more of a 3/4 mix. I still think T-will should be the first off the bench, and the coach should be able to utilize his talent effectively.
by Sparklespice on Jul 17, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want one with upside
my point is Gibson isn’t better than what we have.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Hell yeah he is
there is no arguement is he better then we have. how can you even compare josh boone to gibson?
Because Gibson is a mediocre rotation big
the only reason he got so much playing time was because Chicago had all of 3 big men.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I definitely dont think trading TWill
for any of these guys make sense.
Having said that- I dont agree with people saying Twill cannot be traded. If he was a piece for a big time power forward, saying this purely hypothetical, then I dont see a problem with that.
BREAKING NEWS...
TWILL speculation to another BLOG for Lindsey Lohan jail updates and a future post on how Lebron is gonna leave Heat opt out n go to Brooklyn.
Ps these responses after the first 400 have gotten really uneducated basketball wise..I wish we could have more educated fans on here..generally speaking
by MaTT FiNGaZ on Jul 17, 2010 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
In a practice of postmodernism
We have rehashed a twenty word statement by Dave D., in a record number of ways. Have made innumerable inferences and come to various conclusions about the ability of TWILL. In over 600 responses we remain just as torn. The only thing we agree on is that we love our new owner.
is it just me?
who is surprised by the amount of comments this offseason here on netsdaily. I’ve always been a viewer and recently decided to start commenting here.
600+ for a Saturday morning post in the offseason about a reporter who made up his own hypothetical trades?
thats crazy
Cuz the nets are going to have a strong fan base
they are going to be huge in newark, and it’s going to be crazy for them. people are gonna love coming here to play the atmosphere is going to be electirc.
hope so
then what will those fans do when they move to Brookyln?
Double, maybe even triple
I dont think you quite understand this concept. any sports franchise in NY automatically becomes one of the biggest in there league. fan base, revenue all that triples in NY.
I do understand that
I am from queens and cant wait for them to move here.
my point wasnt that- my point was asking you what you think will happen to those fans in newark- will they still follow?
They're 30 minutes away why wouldn't they?
I’m from the bx, yet im a net fan. it’s not like they moving to st. louis or something.
I'm not sure..
I have no idea what the pulse of Newark is. hopefully they do stick around
traffic
i live near newark… it takes 35 minutes to get to brooklyn with no traffic on a saturday morning. trying to get to a 7pm game on a weekday is another story.
Better yet, go there 2 hours early, around 5
Find great FREE parking (not $20-$30 it’ll cost if you go at 7). And get wasted at one of the bars, they got tons of good ones around the area.
Also how are these guys clear upgrades over
Humphries and Boone? What do we gain by trading T-will for these guys rather than just using the players we have?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Landry is
how are these other guys? Please explain to me? When they do nothing better.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Gibson was on an all-rookie 1st team.
Boone wouldn’t make the all-Dleague team. How else can i explain it.
he was on the all rookie first team
in a draft class where there were literally no big men, which has been discussed multiple times on here and across NBA forums, and out of the top two big men that came out one ended up in the D-league and one missed the entire season. Last year was a horrible horrible class for big men, that’s why Gibson made it, there was literally no one else to choose. (Go through the rookie big men last year and see how awful they were collectively)
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Smh.
I really can’t see how boone and gibson are the same kind of player. ignore stats for minute, off of just watching the two play i would say it’s remarkably obvious who the better player is
I didn't say they were the same kind of player
Gibson is clearly a better shooter, what I said is that Gibson doesn’t add much.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Not saying i want these made up trades but
landry and gibson are HUGE improvements over boone!
how is gibson
they’re practically the same player numbers wise.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
no he's not
look at their numbers on basketball reference. % wise Boone is the better rebounder. Gibson just played ten more minutes a game.
So Gibson averaged 7.5 rebounds in 26 minutes a game. Boone average 5 in 15 minutes per game. Don’t you think if Boone played 11 more minutes a game he’d probably have come down with 2-3 more rebounds?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
you understand that minutes is also important
boone couldnt even get more minutes on a 12 win team while gibson was a major contributor on a playoff team
Boone couldn't get minutes
because we were force feeding Yi minutes despite him being just as mediocre. I understand minutes are important, I also understand why Boone was getting less minutes. Gibson was playing more minutes a game because the Bulls had even less front court depth than we did, miraculously, they had Noah, Gibson and 40 year old Brad Miller?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
He was playing more minutes
because is he BETTER the boone. Gibson is going to s solid STARTING PF. Josh boone can never say that, i’ll be surprised if a team even sign him he sucks.
Going to be?
Gibson isn’t even a full year younger than Boone, he was old for his class and has little to no upside left. He played more because he was on a team that 1. wasn’t force feeding minutes to a mediocre player for marketing purposes, and 2. had no front court depth.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
So its all about pure age?
NBA experience means nothing to you? The fact that Boone has already played 4 years- and the same age as Gibson. While Gibson has played one NBA year which was better than any year Boone ever had doesnt mean anything to you?
Actually when it comes to basketball
yes it is mostly about age. That’s why college seniors bust at much higher rates than anyone. The older you are coming out of college the less NBA experience matters. For someone, like for example Outlaw, it makes a difference because he was only 18 coming in. For someone who came in at 24, the difference between 1 year of NBA experience and 3 years is virtually nothing.
And that’s the thing, he hasn’t had a year better than Boone has ever had. They’re basically equal.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yes most seniors are busts
but was Gibson a bust?
You’re acting like Boone was an underclassman coming into the NBA based off his projected talent. The guy has never been labelled to have any talent
Gibson wasn't a bust
because no one had any expectations of him, just like Boone. neither of them are very good, neither of them have upside.
And actually that’s not true, did you follow Uconn or pay attention the 2006 draft all? People actually did think Boone had upside just because of his size and athleticism.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I actually watch BIG east Basketball
more than anything.
Boone played along side Okafor. Then Villanueva, Then next to his fellow bust Hilton Armstrong.
He was always the second big man on the team
I didn't ask if you watched big east basketball
I asked if you followed that draft. Cause what you’re talking about is how people viewed his draft status, which is patently wrong. And I don’t understand what being the second big matters, no one is talking about Boone like he’s an all-star. The point is he’s no worse of a bench/rotation big than Gibson.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You asked me
if i followed Uconn. Therefore when I say I’m a big fan of basketball I expected you to understand that it meant I watch Uconn.
And obviously those “people” were wrong because he has shown little to not athleticism in the NBA. And the moment the nets drafted him I thought it was a huge mistake.
If you are never good enough to be the best big man on your team- and you get to ride the talents of the better big men- you can look like a decent player.
You realize this
If you are never good enough to be the best big man on your team- and you get to ride the talents of the better big men- you can look like a decent player.
is Gibson exactly?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
except he road the talents of better big men
AND Derrick Rose. And strong scoring wings?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HIM BOONE AT UCONN!
You asked me why that even mattered so I was talking about Boone’s Uconn days with okafor, villanueva and hilton armstrong.
Taj Gibson was the best big man on USC- hands down!
If gibson was on the nets last year
there is no way the nets would even consider giving Yi more minutes.
Boone wasnt even a good player in college- he was just a big guy who played next to other big guys. He hasn’t really done much in the NBA to prove otherwise besides one decent season in his second year
Boones numbers the last two years haven't been any different from
his second year, the difference is we started force feeding Yi minutes because of his marketability.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
marketability?
You’re talking about the Pre-Proky nets- what market are you referring to?
You think people were showing up tp watch YI!? he was arguably the most hated player on the team by fans!
Um do you follow the nets
have you not seen/read the 100s of posts about Yormark pushing Yi for the chinese audience and the nets wanting to hang out for him for international marketing reasons?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
YEA I DID
I also read that Proky was gonna do the same thing and hype up Yi to the chinese market… what happened to that?!
Easy they cleared cap room to sign two max guys
and I’m not sure what Prokhy has to do with it, when he wasn’t the owner the last two years. The point is the marketing of Yi was common knowledge.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
That marketing experiment ended
after we all saw how bad he was the first year. The point is that Boone could not play because of Yi is another reason why hes a bum
Um no it didn't
once again do you follow the nets, or even this site at all? The marketing thing was in full force last year. Yi was being force fed minutes all year.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
umm
1. Do you want to keep questioning whether i follow the nets or address the fact that Boone will never get minutes on a playoff team
2. Do you want to argue like an adult or keep starting your comments with your sly and obnoxious “ummmmm”
Boone will get minutes on a play-off team
if it’s a play-off team with literally only two other bigs. Exactly the same reason Gibson did. Their both rotational/bench fodder. Gibson is a better jump shooter, but that’s about it. He’s certainly no where near enough of an upgrade to justify parting with an actual prospect. He’s mediocre.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Any team with Boone getting minutes is not making the play-offs
He could go to the Heat and either be stuck on the bench or missing the play-offs.
I never said
Gibson was worth trading for TWILL. I already said that. I’m just pointing out the obvious that Gibson is better than Boone
My point was that he's barely better than Boone
pretty much all he’s better at is jump shooting. Which is something we’ll rarely ask our big men to do anyway with our rotation of shooters.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
lol this
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
um what? when did I say boone was going to be a star
the point is neither is Gibson, if the bulls hadn’t had such terrible front court depth Gibson wouldn’t have seen as many minutes a game.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You do realize that
Gibson’s emergence is one of the reasons the bulls felt comfortable in trading away tyrus thomas
Do you think Boone would ever play good enough to trade away a talent like tyrus?
Um you realize that they traded Thomas
entirely because of off-court issues? Thomas was WAY better than Gibson. They had been planning on moving him well before they drafted Gibson.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Thomas was waaaay better huh?
he played 23 mins per game. 8.8 pts annd 6.3 boards
Meanwhile in thomas last two months there, dec and jan, gibson averaged the following respectively.
24mins 9.5 pts 8.5 boards
26 mins 8.5 pts 9.1 boards
um you realize there's more to basketball than points and rebounds
Thomas was known for his defense. He average 1.2 steals to Gibsons .6. He grabbed 23.6% of defensive rebounds to Gibson’s 19.1%. He also was a better passer 1.7 assists to Gibsons .7, blocked more shots and committed fewer fouls on defense.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Why do you pretend you know anything about other teams?
Ask Bulls fans who played better defense Gibson or Thomas.
And you make a post talking about how there is more to basketball then points and rebounds? Apparently its only rebounds since that is the only possible thing you can make a case for when saying Boone is better then Gibson.
When have I ever said Boone was better than Gibson
I said Gibson was a better jump shooter and that’s about all he’s better at.
And ask most bulls fans and they’ll tell you Gibson is a decent bench/rotation guy who gets overrated because he was playing on a team with big men and guards who made him look better than he was. (and I’m serious I’ve frequented bulls message boards plenty have said this)
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
In fact go to realgm and search gibson on the boards
you’ll see a bunch of posts from bulls fans talking about how they should sell high on him now cause his value will never be higher. Most of them see him as filler who looked better than he is.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Well if you come to netsdaily...
you’ll find people who think Gibson is barely better than Boone- so obviously people have no idea what they are talking about
lol so the fact that fans of Gibson's own
team, basically think he’s a rotational big who’s being overrated means nothing right?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
err own teams fans
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
So the fact that people here on this site..
argue that Twill isnt proven or as good as we think mean anything?
I don’t need to piggy back off other peoples opinions- I can watch basketball games and figure it out myself.
ANd if i did want to do that I have a few friends who are die hard bulls fans who love Gibson and what he brought to the team last year
people on this site think T-will isn't proven
which is true he isn’t. So I’m not sure what the problem is.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
The start of this thread
were people arguing whether they would trade Twill and some people said they would trade him for landry?! SO my point is why are you reading what bulls fans are saying on real GM unless you actually never watched Taj Gibson play
I'm reading it to see what they
consider his value trade wise. And while I wouldn’t trade T-will for Landry I think it’s WAY closer than T-will for Gibson.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
you know that most nets fans
dont even think Boone is worthy of being a rotational big on a playoff team
um that's not true at all
most of them think he is a decent 15-20 minute back up.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Really, because i did go on RealGM
And asked if they would consider trading Gibson for CLee and they all unanimously said NO.
You think anyone would turn down a Boone for Lee deal? How about a Boone for a bowl of Cheerios? I think thats a rip off.
I'll gve you that
Thomas is a better defender but not that much better.
Gibson still averaged 1.3 blocks. Thomas averaged 1.7 on the bulls.
Where are you getting these assist numbers from ?
Thomas avg 1.1 assists and Gibson .9 which is like arguing that one player is a better scorer because he averages .6 points better than the next guy
basketball reference.
you brought up their december stats. Thomas was averaging over 2 assists a game.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
he only played 3 games in december
I brought up the those two months of Gibson which made it even eaiser to trade Tyrus. I never said it was the only reason
Terrible front court depth?
They had Noah and Miller and Gibson was starting AND contributing in the play-offs.
We had Yi and Brook and Boone was sitting on the bench on a 12 win team.
This is the most ridiculous argument i’ve ever seen you make.
Do you see what you're saying
they had Noah, and 30 year old Brad Miller…how is that good front court depth? They made the play-offs because of awesome guard/wing play. And because the east is horrible.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Umm
Because Noah and Brad Miller are good players maybe? Certainly better then Yi.
I agree they're both better than Yi
But Yi wasn’t being given playing time because of his on court performance.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
also- boone is an offensive liability out there.
gibson has the ability to put the ball in the bucket
Boone would only be an offensive liability
if he took shots all the time, like Humphries. Because he doesn’t when he does take shots he shoots a high percentage from the field, and he actually averages less turn overs per possessions than Gibson does.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
This argument is getting very frustrating..
If you can watch both these players play yet still think that boone is comparable then i guess we have to agree to disagree
if you want to go by numbers..
boone avgerage 4 pts and 5 boards in his 4th season in the NBA(his numbers have actually declined.
Gibson averaged 9 and 7.5 in his first year in the NBA and his numbers got better and better as the season went on.
ALso- just by watch a handful of games of both players theres no way you could even argue this
SMH....
I dont think Dave D realizes Avery likes terrence and he wants to start him at the two gaurd. I was expecting courtney lee, if anyone, to fall out a rotation before terrence williams. I also feel like terrence willaims in better then any of the players being proposed in this trade(s)
Look it up
Avery wants williams to be the starting two guard. He wants him to effectively master playing off ball.
I thought I understood Avery to say that Terrence would be our 2, which implies starting.
It wasn’t clear during the interview during the Summer games. I tried to play it back.
In the most recent interview he said Terrence is a 2 or 1, a 1 or 2.
I dont see where its implying he would start.
He could be the 4th 2 in the rotation for all we know. Yes, i’m “implying” behind Quinton Ross.
lol
you cant be serious, twill is not our best guard, maybe best sg but not best guard, but he’s definetly better than quinton ross, and farmar and probably better than clee too
Guard = PG and SG :)
Forward = SF and PF
Center = C
by jasperjarrod on Jul 17, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That leaves Devin Harris and Morrow
I feel he is better than Devin Harris, puts more pressure on opposing D’s than him, and Morrow is a shooter doesn’t do much else but is a better defender I think and ball handler than people give him credit for. You saw towards the end of the season when we were even playing hot teams like Phoenix, T-will was giving teams PROBLEMS, we would have never gotten past the record if it wasn’t for him getting time and turning it on.
it is statements like this that makes me say a lot of you guys are overrating twill
now he is all of a sudden better than an all-star caliber pg because he had a good 2 months of the season, the end of the season i might add when the other young players get more pt, dont get it twisted DH was playing better than twill in his sleep last year. people are calling his season a disappointment when he puts up 17ppg and 6.6 assists per game and twills two glory months he was putting up about 14ppg 7rpg and 5apg.
smh
What all-star caliber pg? Sorry Devin Harris is NOT all-star caliber. He put up inflated stats for one season while deciding to play arguably the worst De. of any PG in the NBA. My point in this post was not to overate T-Will, just basically to combat this notion that Harris is some great player or somthing. If Avery can change him so be it and great, but until then dont mention Harris as an all-star talent. He made it one year, and bagged it on De, and took HORRENDOUS shots. Bad 3 point shooter but never stopped him from chucking up 3’s real early in the shot clock, killing momentum as well as leading to fast breaks for the other team.
On a side note your comparing a ROOOKIE to a 7 year vet. in Harris. Sigh.
this
I don’t get the Harris love. I don’t think T-will is the next Jason Kidd or a future super star. But it’s not like Harris is any great shakes either. And if we’re going to be in a developmental year anyway what’s to lose with giving T-will significant minutes at the pg spot. I really don’t see how Harris fits into our future plans.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
how doesnt he fit our plans?
he is still the best or second best player on the team and creates for others and himself, if that doesnt fit our plans than what does a point guard have to do to fit “our plans”?
Be more than a driver and disher
who is an inefficient scorer and can’t shoot and doesn’t play defense? He’s not part of our plans because he’s 27, injury prone, and just not that great. A guy who couldn’t stay healthy in his early 20s isn’t going to get less injury prone in his late 20s/early 30s. And I really doubt he’s going to suddenly turn into the player people were expecting him to be 4 years ago. He’s someone we should be phasing out not building around.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I think he will be more of an impact player moving forward
Which is not absurd, not saying he’s great but his will on games seems to be greater than Devins.
Everybody knows that I want TWill out of here in the worst way
I’ve already explained why is many other posts; to do so again would be to beat a dead horse.
He is only good when given the ball and allowed to get his own numbers and when he’s forced to play outside of such a system, he turns into a headcase and a bad influence in the locker room. The guy needs to be traded – PERIOD. I have yet to hear a cogent counter-argument as to why he shouldn’t be, and I am thrilled to hear that 1) teams are making offers for him and 2) that the Nets are listening to those offers.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Why shouldn't the Nets "listen" to calls saying they want TWill. Anyone would be crazy not to take calls praising their player.
Doesn’t mean Nets are going to trade him
TWill has SUPERSTAR ATHLETIC ABILITIES, at the same level as DWade.
However, more than 50% of the game is between the ears, so it doesn’t mean that TWill would ever approach DWade, just that you can’t be sure without giving him a chance.
J BOONE
As much as he’s a goodteammate n solid rebounder…he’s an offensive liability on a team that already has a hard time scoring. He’s more than likely gone so we should concentrate on a veteran PF who can help Favors NOT another young guy..might as well start Favors n see what happens if that’s the case
by MaTT FiNGaZ on Jul 17, 2010 2:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You know someone is a bad player...
when one of his only two attributes is being a “goodteamate”
None of the Nets free agents have signed with anyone so far
Battie
Boone
Simmons
Hassel
Hayes
Dooling
This shows how bad of a team we had last year.
We should win 30-40 games this year.
Quinn
Good point.
Actually, Boone is listed as having his rights held by Nets.
In one listing, it appears, that possibly Nets haven’t given up the rights to Hassel :
http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm
There are so many free agents that haven’t been taken by any team, not just former Nets.
Avery said in his last interview, to my dismay, that he plans to take a Vet. Min. Wing.
I don’t see how that is possible, Nets could use 2 more BIGs, not a wing, with TWill around to play all 3 positions.
Plus
The only players we lost were CDR and YI.
I still feel......
that Hassell and Dooling will benefit this team and the young Nets players greatly…..Letting them get away is just silly…….
Agree
They played hard all year. I am surprised Dooling did not go to the Heat yet.
Hassell and Dooling .......
will be like On-Court coaches……..
If not for the fact that Dooling would take time away from TWill, I wouldn't mind getting him back for Vets. Min.
Dooling will only go for Vets Min if there is still doubt about his recovery from surgery or if the surgery didn’t solve his arthritic hip problem.
Maybe Dooling is the “wing” that Avery was thinking of when he mentioned adding a Vet. Min. wing.
Dooling wouldn’t mind not getting PT.
However, to make room for another wing, Nets would probably have to buy out Ross, or not sign Uzoh (who would be cheap).
Thorn usually didn’t want to have more than a 14 man roster to start year and they have 12 + Uzoh and Zoubek already, with a need for 2 more Bigs. I have a feeling Zoubek won’t make team.
For the Life of Me.....
I still can’t understand why so many of you Nets Fan’s are so down on Kris Humphries…..If he could cut down on his Fouls (Because he always plays so hard) , I would start him……He’s a tough player…We had NO SYSTEM last year….Bring FAVORS off the bench for now…Boone/Petro as back-ups at the 4 and leave TWILL alone……
by NetFan48 on Jul 17, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I like what Kris Humpries brings to the table
Well now that we have some shooters--
Humphries can do what he does best——play with high energy , get rebounds and draw contact.
Humphries.....
will really annoy the other team’s PF…….from the start…..Throw off their game…..
+1 to Hump. I wonder if Avery had much chance to see him during his first month and last week with Nets.
I suspect that Avery followed a lot of Nets games.
Hump chucked up a lot of shots and had a bad spell, after his 1st month, for two reasons:
1. He could see how awful the rest of the team was and felt someone had to generate some offense.
2. Kiki was screwing with his head by playing Yi over him, even in the most critical moments of the 4th quarter.
Hump knew that nearly everyone (teammates and fans) believed that he was better than Yi, all around, yet Kiki kept playing Yi by about 2:1 in minutes per game. Hump felt he had to prove to Kiki that he was wrong, and he tried too hard in the process.
Even when Yi was injured, Kiki seemed to try to punish Hump, by giving Boone Yi’s minutes. Finally Hump settled down after it was clear that Kiki was going to be fired anyway and did better during the last handful of games.
Hi Jerry25.....THIS......
It also seemed like The “Humph” chucked up alot of shots b/c the ball was in his hand while the shot clock was running out….No one was open or knew how to get open….It was either shoot or lose the shot…….
That is true. Some Nets fans have a short memory.
Hump is fine for playing 20 minutes a game, but in case of injuries, Nets need more Bigs.
Even if Hump started, it wouldn’t be terrible, but he would get into foul trouble.
Hump should have been playing in the 4th quarter, over Yi, all last year.
A Ryan Anderson would be fine and I would also take a chance with Tyler Hansbrough if he could be obtained inexpensively.
this
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I think what you posted is exactly write
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Is it a term reserved for internet bloggers, because I haven't seen it used except by a few posters here, and only in recent months?
Can we have a list of this new “lingo”, because there are a few other new words which annoy me too, since “this” obviously already has a different dictionary definition. “Meh” is another one, that confuses the older generation.
MEH
Just kidding……I have no idea what that means either…..
smh
don’t ask me, i have no idea
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I remember: "shaking my head"
seems condescending
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
what?
Which coach in their right mind would play Kris Humphries 35 minutes a night?
You put too much value in hustle plays. But this guy is not a good defender and can’t shoot the ball from 10 feet out.
a good team plays him 7 minutes a night if that.
He’s gonna be the rotation it seems like so he should feel lucky
THAT....
(which means I totally disagree with your comment)……I saw Humphries as a really good Defender and Help Defender for Brook….Brook should watch some of Humphries tapes….And I also feel that The “Humph” had a very nice 10’ shot……Like I said before……Most of his shots and basically all of our other players shots were pressure shots b/c we had no System…….
I also like......
Kris Humphries Hard Fouls and Thunderous Dunks……..We need more of that…..
yes
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 17, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody know.......
If any of our Summer League players are getting any consideration from the Nets ???? I still want to sign Brandon Heath….If we don’t someone else will….He reminds me of Evan Turner…….
Brandon Heath?
The pesky little PG on your SL team? I liked him, but did you say he reminds of you of Evan Turner?
Yes I did.....
Brandon Heath had some nice moves to the basket when he was one on one with his defender….He was able to pull up and hit shots off the dribble and his perimeter shot was very consistent……He seemed to be very smooth…..
GINA + J BOONE...
OFFENSIVE LIABILITY doesn’t mean just shots taken and he can’t hit them it means when Boone is outthere and he is an offensive option he becomes a liability and the NETS endup playing 4 on 5. That only works with a team that has consistent scoring threats at the other four spots ie Ben Wallace on the Pistons
by MaTT FiNGaZ on Jul 17, 2010 3:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Gina
Lets just end this Boone debate- I see no end to this argument.
How about we talk about players that are still apart of this organization.
So really, no interst in Chuck Hayes as the stop gap?
He probably wouldn’t cost much more then a 2nd rounder.
This entire article makes ZERO sense!
I heard talks of the Nets getting a solid PF in the last year of their contract. In other words, if they pulled that off close to the trade dealine with no shot at any other moves then they’d have nothing to lose as they will regain that cap space at the end of the year anyway, when that PF’s contract is done. Now we have this article saying they may trade T-Will for YOUNG PFs? If Favors is the PF of the future, WTF would they get a young PF? I’m really not following the logic here!
Aside from that, I really can’t see a coach as smart as Avery leaving T-WIll out of the rotation for Lee, Morow, etc. T-Will has court vision that I’ve seen ONLY from the top PGs in the league.
Lastly, I can’t wait for the seaon to start so you fools can see how much Avery really “loves” Damion James! If you think Avery praising this man is gonna translate into him receiving all this playing time, you need to stop hanging on his every word. It is very common for a coach to recognize a player that goes hard all day every day, especially when he’s a low rnd pick. Nothing surprising there & it won’t be surprising when James has his warmups on for 42 mins during the regular season.
by eopanther8 on Jul 17, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
rec'd. Nice to see some common sense being added to this debate.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ilyasova
born in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Uzbekistan, to be specific. Plays for Turkey now, but was Soviet citizen, like Prokhorov.
like with Yi
There are rumors about what his true age is. He’s said to be a couple of years older than what he says.
His Wikipedia page says he was born in Turkey in May 1987.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 17, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
link
Obviously TWill appreciates what we are saying about him! (LOL)
Our remarks DO make a difference.
http://twitter.com/TheRealTWill/status/18790726203
Net fans I will not be going anywhere, just to clear the air, I think lol
TWill, you should try to get someone you can trust to proof your Tweets ahead of time.
Look at the trouble it caused CDR!
Tweets make people in the organization “nervous”.
One wrong word, and one of the beat writers will take it out of context and generate a big story, which then gets picked up nationally.
Be Careful, we don’t want to lose you, before we can see what you can do.
It's not that the beat writers that overreact to the tweets
It’s the folks on here
You’ve got people wanting to trade him out of here over reasons that have nothing to do with basketball or what he can bring to this team
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
With a little more confidence.......
TWILL will be a perennial All-Star……
This message is for TWILL if you are reading this:
TWILL:
I was the one who posted last spring, that you should:
“Wipe that smile off your face”
, if you want to get in favor with the Nets.
It was right around that time that your game improved and Kiki was giving you 30 minutes a night, finally.
Regarding Avery: My guess is that Avery is playing with your head, trying to challenge you to do better – especially on defense and also thinking more of your teammates, to make THEM better, rather than trying to generate statistics for yourself.
I think Avery believes if he gets you MAD, you will work harder, just to prove him wrong. Even if you don’t start, you are too valuable off the bench at the 1 or 2 positions and YES, you will convince Avery to play you at the 3 position too.
During the course of any season, one of the 6 rotation players at the 1, 2 and 3 will be injured on a given night. You will get your chance to prove to Avery, beyond your physical abilities.
How many players in the NBA can people name who are better pure athletes than TWill?
I can only name LeBron, because he is so big, yet TWill would likely beat out LeBron in a fair dunk contest.
TWill is physically like someone in between LeBron and DWade.
As Avery and Coach Mitchell probably say, the rest is all “between the ears”.
And since TWill has already improved so much since the beginning of last season, it makes absolutely no sense to even think about trading him now, unless it brings back someone like Danny Granger or a healthy CP3.
And regarding TWill’s outside shooting, which is often criticized, there should be no doubt that he has the “range” as he has made many 35-60 foot shots in the past, as the clock was expiring. DWade was never a good 3 pt. shooter, but he someone made a lot of clutch shots.
Mostly, TWill’s shooting will improve now that Proky can afford to have the best coaching. He just has to listen and work hard. Last year Clyde Frazier said that TWill was moving his legs during his jump shot. Simple tips from coaches is what is needed, along with practice, practice.
And as criticized on NetsDaily, TWill needs to work on his bounce passes (with appropriate spin) and less line drive passes, to make it easier for teammates to handle. JKidd was a master at the bounce pass.
Probably Wall, but TWill is in an elite group, which is why you don't trade him.
SWat was never near that group.
800+ posts
Who would of thought that a 2nd year player could bring about such passionate debate over the possibility of him being traded? Simply amazing, and so is T-Will. Please don’t trade him!
I think NI knew that bringing up the subject of trading TWill, on a slow day, would bring out the anger in Nets fans.
If Nets are going to have a 30-35 win year, you don’t want to trade the main player worth watching.
and when everything is about the *all mighty dollar*
Why would you trade away a exciting player that is capable of putting fans in empty seats? Sounds like they are shooting themselves in the foot.
dont trade him unless it is for a superstar
like Chris Paul.
"Hope for the Best, Expect the Worst"
Let's hope this motto changes...
BTW, I read earlier today that Houston has signed Brad Miller to a 3 year 15 million dollar contract, with the 3rd year non-guaranteed.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16845
I didn’t think Brad would go that cheaply.
He is being brought as a backup for Yao.
Houston is getting to be a much Bigger team, with Scola re-signing and getting Patterson in the draft, and of course Yao returning.
Shouldn’t the Nets have considered Miller for a “BIG” spot?
However with Brad always looking angry, I don’t know if he could have coexisted with Brook, with his “scowl”.
That cheaply?
That guy is 34. Sorry Darko > Brad Miller.
So maybe Chuck Hayes is available.
All I know about him is he filled in at center for Yao.
Looking at his stats we should look elsewhere. Career rebounds 5.3 last year 5.7.
The problem I have with trading T-will
Is that he is the only physical presence we have on the wing like a D-wade etc, plus his ceiling is very high, you can’t say that for any other guard on our team.
My reason of why I disagree with trading Terrence Williams
1. Terrence Williams is a really talented play maker. In this league, you can get many scorers in J.R. Smith, Corey Meggette, Jason Richardson…etc.
But it’s really hard for you to find a swing who can pass the ball like LeBron James. His passing skill is really skilled and talented, you even seldom see a PG can do that like T-Will.
So this is my first reason of disagreeing with trading him.
2. Terrence Williams is super athletic.
This is what a young team like the Nets need. A high flyer who can run and dunk with his arm so high above the rim and to dunk it hard.
When you have a athletic gift like D-Wade. You are not a scrub who is just like Q.Ross or D.Wright.
Bottom Line:
People compared T-Will with LeBron and Wade because of his passing and athleticism. And more than that, T-Will is a really versatile. He can pass, He can rebound, He can run and dunk. He is a mini triple double machine.
The only unproven point in my mind about T-Will is IF he can be a consistent scorer to be the Nets Franchise Player in the future ?
So I reclaim it again here, I would not be pleased about trading a talented swingman for a stop-gap scrub PF and when you already have a project in Derrick Favors.
Why not to give a chance to T-Will until he is well-coached. Now the Nets have a really good coaching staff. So Let’s wait and see what Williams will be next season.
No PF, so What? We are not going to win the title this season, and we still have some backup big men to play. And we have a third-year Lopez. We can still try to win without a decent Power Forward, Or Maybe Favors can be really solid with Lopez and Harris.
If we can’t win much, that’s fine, Lottery here we come again. If we can win much with Favors developed well, that’s the best we expect. And don’t be afraid that Favors would lose his confidence. We still have Kris Humphries and Johan Petro to be the blue-collar guy before Favors gets crushed.(Or we will see Favors dunk in someone’s face instead?)
It’s not appropriate to trade a super athlete Terrence Williams at this point. Don’t do the thing you can regret.
i think you guys are overrating t-will
i mean i like him as much as the next guy but a lot of people on netsdaily are acting like he is a full fledged all-star. He had a good last 2 months of the season i will give you that. And he was good not great in the summer league although he did take a ton of shots but i think if the right trade comes along we should think about it , in now way is t-will an untouchable asset.
averaging 23.5 pts 6.25 asts and 3.8 rebs not great?
Sure, he attempted a lot of shots ! That’s good for him ! He’s not been remarked as a big scorer before.
And that’s what Summer League for ! He must know his role is bigger than before, so he not only has to be a play-maker, but a big scorer.
I like his attitude there. We don’t say we can not trade T-Will, but hell, not for Ty Gibson.
did you see the games
he looked kinda selfish to me when he was playing in the summer league but maybe because he was the best player, but i dont think he was that impressive besides the first game but thats just my opinion
When you are the best player, you have to play selfish.
Being unselfish in the summer league would piss me much more. That’s called- Swagger.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 17, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you dont have to play selfish when you are playing the pg
like t-will was playing basically the whole time
even you are a point guard in summer league
you can be selfish, too.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 17, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
summer league
key words here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see the games?
The Nets were playing 2 on 5 for almost the ENTIRE game for 3 of the games. NOT because they were being selfish but because literally EVERYONE ELSE on that squad was garbage. Favors was in foul trouble 95% of the time, and Zoubek was more offensivly challenged the Jason Collins. There were all of 3 guys on that team who could hit an outside shot, and then the occasional 3 from tweety carter or ben uzoh, who were backing up the point.
I dont really see it as selfish play, i’m willing to bet more often then not he was given the reigns to try and take over because NO ONE else could.
and i didnt say for ty gibson
i too think that is a bad trade, im just saying if the right trade comes along that we should think about it
so you would trade him for trash?
I’ve yet to see one good, logical, and honest reason to trade T-Will for a “stop gap” PF
And i’ll keep using the word even if it ticks some of you off, because this is the absurdity that some of you are suggesting.
Giving up on a 2nd year player to land someone that isn’t a difference maker is the DUMBEST THING that I have ever read on here
Again, you guys on here have already killed Billy King before he has a chance to even do anything, but some of you are riding with this nonsense? I thought that the Nets had an intelligent fan base. We sound as stupid as NY Knick fans who rip David Lee for his bad defense and then turning right around and worshiping Stoudemire.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 17, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
T-Will
Puts more pressure on opposing D’s than pretty much any player on our team, nobody else outside of Devin Harris, can take the ball and create for himself or others the way T-will can, these other guys are good, but are more off the ball, ball movement, and system guys. T-Will all else fails 10 seconds left on the clock is making something happen, nobody else can really do that, especially at his height, strength and athleticism.
Gimme a break
I dont know why everyone wants to trade this guy? The Nets should start him and give him a chance to play. I don’t want to see him grow into a great player on another team, I want to see what he can do for us! What is Dave D talking about, Taj Gibson? Carl Landry? There is no way I would EVER give up Twill for any of those clowns.
by DrazenPetrovic on Jul 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
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