Nets Using Sign-and-Trade to Get Anthony Morrow From Warriors
by Net Income on Jul 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT
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PrintAnthony Morrow will be a Net faster than expected. The Nets and Warriors tentatively agreed to a sign-and-trade Monday instead of having New Jersey send an offer sheet to Golden State. The deal will become official Tuesday. The Warriors wind up with a $4 million trade exception for Morrow--nothing more. As a result, the Nets won't have to wait a week for Golden State to decide whether to match a three-year, $12 million offer sheet. Since Morrow had never signed the offer sheet, the two teams were able to negotiate an alternate deal.
"It's gonna be tough leaving the Warriors but I feel like I had to do what was best for myself and my family," Morrow tweeted late Monday.
Adrian Wojnarowski tweeted earlier that the Nets had been prepared to front-load their offer to Morrow making the decision more difficult for the Warriors. Instead, the two sides worked out the sign-and-trade. The Warriors signaled they wouldn't match Sunday when they signed Dorell Wright, who like Morrow is a deep shooting swing man. Al Iannazzone tweeted that the Nets didn't send anything out west. That means the Nets retain the Warriors' draft picks in 2011 (second round) and 2012 (first round).
- Nets land Morrow in sign-and-trade - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports
- Nets agree to acquire marksman Anthony Morrow from Warriors - Dave D'Alessandro - Nets Blast
- Almost Done - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone
- Nets shoot for Morrow with Warriors sign and trade - Fred Kerber - New York Post Nets Blog
- Thorn confirms trade for Morrow, talks about new GM search - Stefan Bondy - The InterNets
- Warriors sign-and-trade Anthony Morrow to New Jersey Nets - Marcus Thompson II - San Jose Mercury News
- Morrow's sign-and-trade - Rusty Simmons - San Francisco Chronicle
- So Long Anthony Morrow — and the Potential Upside to His Departure - Adam Lauridsen - San Jose Mercury News
- Warriors' fan favorite Morrow headed to Nets - Rusty Simmons - San Francisco Chronicle
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Oh Yippee!!!!!!!
We just went from a 24-win team to a 26-win team!!! Thanks Prokhorov!!!!!
Hey It Beats 12 Wins
Already we’re twice as good as last season according to you.
Let’s keep that trend going..
Another nice pick in 2011 and then double our win total for 2011.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I Feel Bad for GS
We should give them back their 2nd rounder
; )
And take back Marcus Williams. NOT!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 12, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was with the Grizzlies.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 12, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Al says nothing...
.. but the trade exception.
No Haslem
IraHeatBeat – Just heard from Udonis Haslem. He has turned down far larger deals from the Nuggets and Mavericks . . . and will be back with the Heat!
Nice.
It’s great to actually have a pure shooter on the Nets. First one in a long time..
With Haslem returning to the Heat, I want the Nets to offer a front-loaded offer to Luis Scola. If Houston matches, I’d be okay with Favors starting on opening day. If that will be the case, I’m predicing 30-34 wins.
Thorn saving his best for last!
This is another good singing. I think the Nets will be fun to watch and pretty competitive (35 wins). I see them fighting with the Raptors, 6ers, knicks, bobcats, etc. for the last two spots. I think Morrow will be one of the best shooters we have had. He is not a good ball handler, but he is a great spot up shooter. He will work well with Harris, and , if he plays tough d, he will fight with Lee for the guard spot. We have some nice pieces and if either Lopez or Favors turn into studs, we will have a real good team. These are the best role player signings we have had since back in the day with Lucious, A-Train, Rodney, etc. We just need the one stud to come along.
A 35 win team battling for a spot in the playoffs?
The East really sucks..
I wish the Nets win more than what I predict and actually make the playoffs though.
Keep believing ...
the East really weakened.
As someone mentioned, it’s becoming “top heavy”.
The NETS has a really big chance of making the playoffs.
But it’s really pushing it if they can make the second round though.
what are you talking about???
making the playoffs with THIS team? And 2nd round (otherwise known as the Conference Semifinals) is doubtful??
reality check: this is AT THE VERY BEST a 30-win team and has absolutely ZERO chance of beating Miami, Boston or Chicago even if it somehow managed to grab the 8th seed which is NOT happening.
I like it.
You can never have enough shooters. Solid addition.
R.I.P. #6 - Jasper Howard
by Connecticut Husky on Jul 12, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
This is great. I love the moves that the Nets have been making.
Does anyone else feel like a trade is looming? It feels like Rod is gearing up for something big to ride out into the sunset.
Also Bill Simmons just predicted on SportsNation that Lebron would be a Net in 2014 for those who care.
I don't want a 30 something year old Lebron on the Nets in 4 years. He denied us once, if he wants in, screw him.. Unless he takes a little money..
~AC24
by AC24 on Jul 12, 2010 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, it's a one time offer.
We should be targetting the next superstars of the next generation when we move to Brooklyn.
This
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 12, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
LeBum?
…we’ll probably be able to pick him up of waivers by then. If he doesn’t win a C in 2011 or ’12, it will turn real ugly real fast in South Beach.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 12, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Miami can keep their trash
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Heat owe Haslem
Maybe Lebron and Bosh will give him a weekly allowance if he rebounds and defends for their majesties. Now what? Can Brad Miller play the 4? Not well, I imagine. Now starting for the Nets: Kris Hump…… Favors has to be brought along slowly. We need someone to bang and rebound. Hope Rod has one more surprise move for us.
NI
What are our chances in getting a starting PF until Favors is ready?
by jasperjarrod on Jul 12, 2010 4:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I Would Add to That:
Khryapa
Craig Smith
Louis Amundson
Troy Murrphy
Nick Collison
I also really don’t like the AK idea anymore.. he would cost us all of our cap space and this no more flexibility this season.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I Think They Are
Collison – tough, smart, veteran. Also an expirer
Craig Smith – a potential moose type Thorn has always wanted
Amundson – team 1st guy, played with Nash on a transition team
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hump > or = Smith and Amunson
ppg, rpg and taller.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 12, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Maxiell
…is about 6’6" and only good in spurts. A bench player.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jul 12, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Travis Outlaw doesnt deserve his own press confrence
He is not an all star I hope they have a press confrence together
just curious
why is speed an issue with these things? why not wait out the 7 days? is it to prevent another team from swooping in and picking him up?
Landry's on the Kings
So we’d have to trade for him.
roster coming together nicely
young, fast, energy DEFENSE
we will win 35 – 40 games this year, VAST improvement from last year
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
by NetLogic on Jul 12, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Avery/Mitchell/Popeye
Should be fun and painful at the same time.
We need Lopez to get tougher!
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
I don't want to say we'll win 40 games
but we will be a tough team to play against, EVERY night
folks need to wake up and stop sleeping, we have a nice young team forming here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree
this team is deeper than a lot of teams right now. they may not have any superstars but they have a lot of solid players
by Taylor Bartle on Jul 12, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more DollarBills
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
Happy with Morrow deal - welcome aboard
1. Harris, Farmar, (Uzoh)
2. Lee, Morrow, Ross
3. Outlaw, James
4. ****, Favors, Humphries.
5. Lopez, Petro, (Zoubek).
6. TWill (backup PG, starting 2, back up 3?)
Questions
The Summer League guys (in brackets) – Are they definitely on the team?
So, Lee, Morrow or TWIll staring at the 2?
One spot left…space for a 4. Aim high or fill it cheap?
Better than Najera!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 12, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The Summer League guys (in brackets) – Are they definitely on the team?
i dont see any strong reason for Uzoh to be there…
It can't hurt to stach him away in the D-league and see what happens?
Can it?
Unless some of these other rookies like Randall don’t make it.
Depends, is T Will going to act right with the ball and make good decisions? If so then he could play a little pg along with other positions.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
+1, its definately Lee.
He will win Avery over during the 1st practice. I dont think his minutes will get cut at all. Its all the non defense playing players that should be worry about their PT. I expect a lot of confused trash talking Nets fans complain about Twitt being in Avery’s dog house and holding rallies for Lee to get benched.
lol unfortunately this
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
If T-Will is in avery's dog house...
…it’s because he’s not listening. This is an actual COACH that he’s playing under now, so no excuses.
I’d prefer Lee to start, Morrow being the primary back up at 2, and plug and play T-Will as the situation calls for it. There are plenty of minutes to go around and you know that Devin is only gonna play 60-70 games so T-Will will get his chances.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Theres really not plenty of minutes to go around at all.
Someone will get bench, i mean 0 minutes benched, and 2 other will play significantly less min then last season, right now i think it’ll be Twitt and Morrow.
right
We won’t know until the season gets underway. I don’t see how either of them will get benched. They will be apart of the 2nd unit(a very good one at that).
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing James will be the guy to get benched.
SInce he’s a rook, but i think his D gives him a chance.
I wouldn't go that far...
….but we’ll see.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Open it up!
C-Lee sucked for 40 games last season and we handed him minutes, same for Yi, enough handing things to guys, make them work for it, open it up… I don’t even like naming Outlaw the starting 3, open it up!
Amen
If preseason comes and James at the 3 and TWill are working like the summer league (I know he played PG but I like him better off the ball) I hope Avery is willing to go to them even as starters. Favors as well. Give him big minutes if he is doing well.
definitely
no starting spot should be reserved on a team just coming off of a 12 vic season. my guess is that avery is going to try to breed compettition for minutes
best pickup thus far
morrow was given PT on and off in don nelson’s unintelligible rotation. when he was played, he was usually on someone’s fantasy team in my league. put up sick numbers.
YEAH
no draft picks just TE nice deal like it even more and it was my favorite to begin with
Since the face been revealed the game got real
West coast nets
let’s see…the team has signed guys from the Clippers, Lakers and now Golden State. Guess they’ll be running more this year?
In any case, why didn’t we just keep CDR?
And Denver
Yeah we are getting all west guys
Can someone explain why every single contract the Nets are giving out is NOT front loaded?
It makes no sense to me. If you’re trying to get up to the minimum then you’re not trying to save money, you wanna pay as much as you possibly can right now, getting a very nice and tradable contract for the future is just a bonus.
Anyway, the rotation is gonna be a huge mess if someone doesn’t get traded.
The rotation's fine. We actually have depth. And it doesn't matter.
It’s Avery’s job to worry about it.
Uhm...to keep cap space this year for the trade deadline?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 12, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhmmm...WE HAVE MORE THEN ENOUGH CAP SPACE.
I would be so happy if the words CAP SPACE would get censored out on this site. I’m sick out hearing it.
You just added two more occurrences of phrase, in CAPS.
Who knows how much cap space will be needed as teams try to dump high priced but quality guys just before the CBA gets renegotiated.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I know how much we WONT need.
And thats 18MIL, the maximum you are allowed to have and we still have MORE then that.
according to this very site
they Nets have $14.5MM under the cap
by Taylor Bartle on Jul 12, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
how is it the same difference
the min is 43 million, with the cap at 58 million if we’re only 14.5 million under we’re below the max allowed.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
...
if we’re 14.5 million under 58 million then we’re not under the minimum…that’s kind of a difference.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
It is BETTER to front load a contract if you’re the Nets.
calm down man
really, there’s no reason to snipe at folks every 5 seconds
I don’t know if it would be feasible to frontload every deal we’ve given out so far and remain within the cap.
any resident capologists can answer this question?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly who on this roster...
… has “earned” playing time other than Lopez and Harris?
Since when does it take someone to actually deserves playing time to complain about it.
We have 7 guys right now. 5 would be a normal rotation, say 6 with a few taking some cuts in playing time. So who’s the guy you keep on the bench? James?
Could be a trade in the making...
… to address the big rotation, shipping out at least one of Harris, TWill or CLee.
Maybe Avery is willing to manage the situation and see how the rotation works out. Having some depth is preferable to the 8 body teams the Nets had to field early last season.
Maybe AJ is willing to play small ball to give Outlaw and DJames some PT.
Thats what i'm hoping for. A trade.
7 guys is too much depth. 6 is more then enough.
if it's a trade
i would hope it’s for a more impact player.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
That Jordan kid from the Bucks who was sent to the Knicks. He sucks.
I’m glad we didn’t get him from the CDR trade.
Line up
It looks like there will be a lot of competition all the way through this line up. The only player not having someone breathing down their back for thier job is Lopez.
We may not have the best starting line up going but it will be relentless.
I am so happy the Nets acquired morrow.
I think its great that we got him. Nets lacked shooters last year, except C. Lee haha. Finally the Nets are making some good moves and showing some will by giving GS a trade exception in order to get Morrow. They finally made a push for a free agent. I hope for more pushed to come
Is it just me or is Rod doing a phenomenal job addressing the team’s needs from last year?
I saw many games where we lost because our bench was outscored by the other team’s bench. Hence, Morrow and Farmar.
I saw many games where we were ahead after the third and blew it in the fourth. Hence, Travis Outlaw, Mr. 4th Quarter.
We lost many games due to rebounding. Hence, Damion James, the Big 12’s all time leading rebounder, and Derrick Favors.
The only thing we need is a starting Power Forward and then we’re sitting pretty.
Does anyone else agree?
I wanted Rod to go home
but he and avery are nailing it right now IMO with these pick ups.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's easy
- we have cap space
- we have players with bad contracts … untradeable
- we have an owner who’s willing to spend, as long it’s a wise move
- etc. etc.
we have players with bad contracts
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
?????
I understand Outlaw’s might be iffy, but we haven’t crippled ourselves.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the only one that is a little questionable is Petro. Does anyone else find it funny that he’s making more than Lopez?
lol
i didn’t even realize that, but it doesn’t matter since Brook will be getting the MAX in another two years or so.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no clue
Net Income?? anyone?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
under the current CBA...
… Lopez the max base year would be 25% of the team salary cap.
Since the current CBA runs out after this season, and no one knows what the team cap figure will be in 2 years, there aren’t going to be exact figures available ;-)
Whilst i agree
It would have been hard not to improve the team from last year…We had 2 or 3 starters and a ‘C’ list bench…the only way on was up. That said we are heading up in a good controlled and organised fashion, that is worthy of credit.
A Pure Shooter
If you look up “pure shooter” in the dictionary, there should be a picture of Anthony Morrow there…. The Nets have made great moves so far this summer, getting Avery Johnson, drafting Favors, and signing Petro, Outlaw, Farmar, and Morrow. The only move they might regret is trading away Jordan Crawford…
Hoops Maestro
New Nets fan since they drafted Lopez.
Longtime Mavs fan glad to see Avery and Devin on a team headed in the right direction.
Nah, they don't regret trading Crawford.
They’re really high on Damion James.
James was good business i think. Don’t think there will be any regrets there. He is ready to go out the box, batteries included.
James is a beast
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s playing with a chip on his shoulder too.
One can just sense the tenacity in his comments about getting drafted so low.
yes
he was absolutely disgusted.
Outlaw better watch his back during training camp, the man will be out for blood
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he decided to stay in college for 4 years.
R.I.P. #6 - Jasper Howard
by Connecticut Husky on Jul 12, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see how the 2nd rounders turn out.
So far there has been a ton of they playing really good in SL.
We should have regret over giving up #31
cuz Atlanta turned around and traded it for cash, we could’ve just given them the cash.
Good move moving up, but again, Thorn failed to get maximum value.
you're assuming we knew atlanta was going to trade it for cash
atlanta may not have decided they were going to trade it until no one was available they wanted.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I'm glad we made this deal
Now that Haslem is off of the market, lets see if we can get a stop gap PF on the cheap, save some cap space, and get ready for 2010-11!!!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Ok...maybe you are right
Craig Smith anyone? Or Admundson?
Either one
Why bother getting into a bidding war with Houston over their player? Lets grab either one, platoon at PF for another season, and save some space in case something breaks for us. If we’re lucky, Favors might be a faster learner than we anticipate.
We look good folks. I’m very happy to be a fan of a team that is doing things the right way.
Maybe getting snubbed this summer by the FA trash that was out there is a blessing in disguise?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well said
“Maybe getting snubbed this summer by the FA trash that was out there is a blessing in disguise?”
It is a blessing
From what I read, there’s over a hundred FA for this summer.
Lot’s of teams prepared and saved for the buying spree, and at least half a a dozen can take at least 1 max contract.
Even those who have options opted out, hoping to grab a piece of the pie, and/or for extended contracts. (Exhibit A: Richard Jefferson)
So, there’s really a lot to choose from. Not top tiers, but serviceable, and can be had for reasonable contracts.
Bass played with MAVS
Basing on this and if we get him, I believe Avery handled him before and he can make this guy more productive. He is also good in defense.
by JuliusIrving on Jul 12, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Get serious on Scola...
4/$60M with $5M buyout in last year.
Nah...no need to man
Platoon it!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay...I want Louis Amundson!!!!
I looked at his numbers and he is a legit PF and can rebound and block a shot.
I don’t think there is a legit starting PF left other than Scola, who we are not going to get. So I go with rebouding, effort and being able to block a shot.
Louis A baby!
now we're talking bro!!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
With Louis, we would have enough for a max contract during the year or in the offseason...
Just PLEASE don’t sign Billy King unless it is Billy Jean King.
Being that I am going to UNLV right now and went to high school in Arizona I would really like this move for the right price!
by netskick0814 on Jul 12, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Scola for 4 years 44 mil. Book it. (Though Rockets will match that)
Just sign Al Harrington and get it over with. We saw it coming since 1998 when he got drafted. When I watched that when I was 11 years old I remember thinking to myself:
“Damn, Al Harrington’s DEFINITELY going to be a Net in 12 years. Book it” (I talked the same back then.)
nah
would rather have a dirty work guy in the platoon of PF’s
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We have one
His name is Kris “Dirty Work” Humphries.
We also have Derrick “Doin’ Work” Favors
Now we need Al “Dainty Work” Harrington.
Louis Amundson...
We now have enough guys that can shoot and our mantra is defense, rebouding and effort.
Louis baby!
Houton wouldn't match a front loaed contract for 44 million. Nets should try for 3 years at 36 million though
Should be decreasing salary if possible. 13 + 12 + 11 = 36 million front loaded.
Can’t hurt to try. Would force Houston to overspend.
Besides, Houston has Patrick Patterson, so they may not need Scola as much now. They may be bluffing and it could end up with a S&T – possibly Hump and good draft pick to Houston.
Bass is a lousy rebounder...
Much prefer Louis.
I watched Morrow in Summer League last year...
And the guy did not miss a 3 point shot. So I watched his box scores in non-Nets games and he was unbelievable.
I don’t know about the rest of his game but he is the best 3-point shooter I have seen in years.
he was a great pickup
in my fantasy league last year…. helped me a lot in 3 pt category
But who will we trade for Bass??
The Magic stated that Bass, Carter, Gortat, Nelson are all trade chips.. Rumor or not.. how can we get Bass out of Orlando?? who will thorn offer??
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
Ps he's going to make 12 million for the next 3 years..
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
by silenthero07 on Jul 12, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget Bass...
Brook needs a good rebounder next to him…i.e., Louie A.
Is this true??
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
by silenthero07 on Jul 12, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
they should force miami to take back all their crappy players
in the sign and trade
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I see what you did there and IT’S NOT FUNNY.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 12, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That was in response to demens’ comment.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 12, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you did there and IT’S NOT FUNNY.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 12, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
oh nice
great news….its nice to have all these shooters all of a sudden.
although i’m still skeptical about Farmar’s shot without kobe and gasol…
Why Billy King?!?!
Bower, King, etc? Why us? Dumars was a better option than these clowns.
King is unemployed for a reason.
Where the hell is Pritchard?
because the basketball gods want us to suffer for an enternity
we’ll hire king as president and brown as gm, the knicks will hire pritchard for gm.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Speaking of the knicks, they are considering bringing back I Thomas LOL (face palm)
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Read that.
I think it’s a good story plot for a movie.. LOL
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
by silenthero07 on Jul 12, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Amundson is not a starter in this league. I think you guys underestimate hump. Look at the Rb #’s Hump puts up compared to these other dudes you guys mention. The only people better than Hump are AK47, Scola and Landry. Thats it period. On both ends of the floor.
No one is saying that Louie is a legit starter...
But start Hump or Louie until Favors is ready for minimal cost.
ARE YOU GUYS CRAZY!?
Start Louis Amundson…wait let me cut myself off.. LOUIS AMUNDSON!!? over our newly acquired 18 year old man child Favors? That is ludicrous. Favors is at LEAST as good as that 1 rebound per 2.5756584994 minute scrub. Seriously. He blows. If we sign him I’m gonna be a WNBA fan. THATS how pissed I’d be.
Go Liberty!
I have no problem starting Favors on day one if Avery thinks he is ready. LA provides depth in case of injury or until Favors can start.
I agree
I think we don’t necessarily have to sign a pf, just let favor starts.
Yeah i understand your frustration. I think some fans dont really understand the many facets of the nba. Yi is actually a better option than amundson.
If we still had Yi I'd, actually, be happy
A perfect stretch 4 who wouldn’t be asked to do too much. Favors could play 28-32 mins. Yi could come in and provide about 15-20. Humphries gets scrub time, Outlaw switches over to the 4 when we want to dance around the court.
C'est la vie...
And I was so tired watching Yi on the court.
Forgive me if this is posted already - But Hedo to the Suns
Hedo Turkoglu’s time with the Toronto Raptors apparently has ended after just one season.
The Arizona Republic is reporting that the Phoenix Suns are close to completing a deal with the Raptors that would bring the 6-foot-10 forward to the Valley of the Sun. In return, the Raptors would receive guard Leandro Barbosa and Dwayne Jones; the Raptors then would complete a deal with the Charlotte Hornets for forward Boris Diaw.
Turkoglu would give the Suns some star power after Amar’e Stoudemire defected to the New York Knicks via free agency.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Hedo is a total jerk.
If he didn’t left Orlando, Magic could have won it all. But he did left for more money. He totally messed up with the Raps..
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
by silenthero07 on Jul 12, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The Raps messed up, as they usually do, not Hedo. He’ll play well with Nash.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Am i allowed to say jerk in Netsdaily?? If not im sorry.
Well yeah i hope he does well with the Suns. I
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
by silenthero07 on Jul 12, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, it's not Hedo's fault
It’s the Raptors fault, they didn’t know how to use him.
Hedo did well as a Kings too.
The Suns saw a lot of him before, they know how to use his strength.
Dude I can’t fault a guy for that, someplayers don’t care about rings they do it cause they are good and its good money.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I really wonder why? Some would take a pay cut just for the opportunity to win a ring.
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
by silenthero07 on Jul 12, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
haha I'm sorry it's kinda 1:23 in the morning here and my eyes are almost close..
LOL
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
by silenthero07 on Jul 12, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Raptors purging...
… Turkoglu to Phoenix, Calderon to Charlotte.
the suns are doing work
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
what does their line up look like?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
hakim warrick and childress are aging?
what bad contracts? Turkgolu is the only expensive contract and it’s not bad if he plays like he did with the magic, not to mention Richardson’s is expiring so he’ll likely just end up replacing him. handicapping themselves with aging and bad contracts would have been giving Amar’e the max.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Fisher stays with the Lakers
Haslem deal 5 year 20 million with Heat
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Speculation that the Magic want to trade Gortat or Bass
The Magic had to be stunned at the offer for Redick.
If they want to keep him as the heir apparent to Vince Carter (who is off the books at season’s end), they will match Chicago and attempt to perhaps trade other contracts to lessen the blow.
Or maybe owner Rich DeVos nods his head, pays Redick without making other sacrficies and the Magic continue to try to add a swing man and a third point guard.
The Magic have assets to move. They matched backup center Marcin Gortat last summer and are paying him $34 mil over five years to play about 12 minutes behind Dwight Howard. That’s not bang for your buck, and the same could be said for little-used power Brandon Bass (four years, $16 mil).
Orlando Sentinel
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Bass is about $12 million left for 3 years, which is about what Thorn would want to spend.
However, is Bass the solution?
What would Orlando want in return that Nets could offer? I would rather keep Hump, who is expiring and is more physical.
Victor Krypka could be had for that price and might spread the offense more, but he’s not that strong.
Bass isn't a solution
he’d just have to give us some minutes until Favors is ready.
4 mil a year. expires in 2013. Sounds okay.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
And now they’ve signed Quentin Richardson.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 12, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Alternative solution is to trade Favors for Cousins if that is allowed.
Cousins is on NBATV now and he is a PF, looking good.
i am watching it , he looks just as raw as Favors did
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Well are you sure you are being objective???? Cause if wanted Cousins then I would see every flaw in Favors, and every positive in Cousins.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I'm pretty sure i'm being objective.
I dont see what you saw in this game that would make you call Cousins raw.
...
you’re dedication knows no ends
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
cousins looks to be in good shape.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
There will be a Cousins dunk on Sportscenter, for what a meaningless thing it is worth.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I am just tired of hearing about Cousins to be honest, and having it brought up again and again is not helping
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Watching him in Summer League is actually VERY interesting. It give you a good measuring stick vs. Favors. We already made our pick, which is fine, but it gives perspective on just how FAR or NEAR Favors’ future is.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We swung, got a hit, for a grounder, safe at 1st
Trying to be hungry and attempt to steal 2nd base is risky.
It’s the safe move (just get on base at first). As we’re hoping the next at-bat will drive us home. Or at least will get another hit to get us to 2nd or 3rd.
Unfortunately, the next batter struck out.
The good thing is, that’s the only first out.
08/09 Nets vs. 10/11 Nets
Not only do i disregard last season for various reasons, but I do think that the 08/09 team is a better gauge to how this current team performs.
08/09 starters once Brook took over:
Harris
VC
Simmons
Yi
Brook
10/11 starters, but still without a PF signing:
Harris
Lee
Outlaw
Hump (or FA PF)
Brook
The leadership and scoring we lose from VC, in all likelihood will be replaced by:
A) a new offensive system Harris is familiar with
B) Brook entering his 3rd season
C) All out athleticism from all 5 players
That 2008 team won 34 games. I think 34 is feasible from the 2010 group, especially since the the Atlantic Division isn’t that much better outside of Boston. 76ers are still a young team. The Knicks will need to find chemistry and defense. Toronto is in rebuild mode.
I do believe our new bench is at least equal to, if not stronger than the 2008 bench, and this alone should help us get a couple of extra wins.
And lastly, our defense should be improved which is why I’m hoping for a serviceable PF signing to crash the boards on both ends of the floor.
omfg!!!!!! Cousins is a beast in this game. good lord!!! I know that cousins is more NBA ready than Favors but damn i am feeling regret. He can def play PF.
He cannot guard an NBA PF...
You know what I mean?
Just watch him.
He is very fluid, and very quick.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks that way against summer leaguers
He looks good, but as the announcers accurately said at the beginning of the broadcast, this is NOT a true test for Cousins. That will come when he has to play veterans and the best in the world.
The TEST is to watch Cousins vs Favors, against the same quality.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He is playing center for the Kings...
Whatever…it is done.
No Whiteside is playing Center.
Cousins is playing PF and is matched vs another PF in Monroe.
And getting the best of Monroe (who also got schooled by the Laker’s Caracter a few days ago).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Derrick Caracter has averaged a double double every game thus far
I truly wish we could have gotten him somehow, he could possibly be the DeJuan Blair steal of this seasons draft.
He looked very polished, but not much elevation. Could have had him easy.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been good.
Not sure he has the size to do that in the NBA though. Plus he’s close to 10 fouls and 10 turnovers in every game too. Love his post skils though.
No talent in the 2nd round huh Thorn. uhu.
LOL, No he isn't
What game are you watching? He is guarding Monroe!!
Not too late to trade Favors for Cousins and throw in a couple of draft picks?
Is it even allowed? Has it happened before at this point?
I suppose they would first have sign their contracts.
You really want to do that?
Oh, forgot you were a Cousins supporter.
This day has been on their calendar for weeks
I fully expect to hear how great he will be after every shot he hits.
Please Jerry, don’t be crazy. Really. It makes all the more interesting things you say less easy to appreciate. Teams don’t give up their draft picks once they draft them in that way.
RIP Cousins for the Nets.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
How many fouls does he have?
Something in common with Favors. Will get worse if he was trying to guard PF.
He is not fouling like Favors did.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got 3 in 12 minutes...
What are you talking about?
Its the KIND of fouls. They are not really position fouls.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
One for instance was a perfect block at the top of the arc on a lane jumper. Nice. But they called it because its SL.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lol @ throw in a couple draft picks
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
just stop
okay, just stop. It’s beyond annoying.
by Net Income on Jul 12, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Favors will be better in 3 yrs but Cousins is much better right now. not even close. Cousins next to Lopez would be amazing. I am seriously impressed by this dudes rebounding and passing. He plays like a Big barkley. He hasnt shown his jumper yet.
His passing is gorgeous. He just hit a simple outlet pass off a rebound to start a break that we very fast and dynamic. An under appreciated skill.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins next to Lopez
Would mean the abuse of PF’s on a nightly basis. That would be one of the slowest front lines in the league, to pair up with our super fast remaining players.
Cousins started next to an athletic player...
And will be a center for Sacremento.
????
Lopez is very fast for a C. And are you watching Cousins right now. Very fast up the court.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins is very slow on rotations...
So is Brook. Favors is very fast on rotations as could be seen in the summer league.
Did you see Favors last SL game?
I saw the second half. And all the other games. Favors’ understanding the game is incredibly remedial. He is very awkward. You cannot even really compare the two right now.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So why did they take Favors over Cousins???
Cause if they only consider on court abilities they should of taken cousins right??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Honestly I have no idea. Perhaps they feared his attitude and weight. They got a “yes sir” guy who can jump. Maybe it will work out in the long run. But you definitely SEE Cousins on the court.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
by the way when you are talking about the speed of rotations its better to use the word “quick” not fast. When you said all our other players being fast, this usually means running down the court.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how well Lopez is going to work with Favors with him sitting on the bench for two years.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the coaches feel he will be the starter b the end of the year
2 might be a bit much, were not wining a championship this year, best to take the player you feel has more potential and fit better with what your trying to do.
Not to mention Cousins turned them off with the meeting
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Lucky him. He’ll be catching alley-oops from Evans all day.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
kv usualy you have very well thought out logical arguments but not on Cousins.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I’m looking at him. I don’t know how logical I have to be. He is a much better player than Favors right now. I see ZERO bust potential. What can I see.
I see plenty of bust potential when I watch Favors.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I’m watching Cousins right now he seems all PF to me. Very laterally quick, outside shot. I don’t see the: He can’t play with Centers.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the idea was
he can’t play with centers like Lopez. Just like Lopez could play pf with a center like his brother, or like Biedrins, but not with a center like Al Jefferson
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
That was the “idea” but the idea seems just that, an idea. Cousins looks like he could go outside rather easily.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Just look at him. He even has much greater range than Favors.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
range offensively?
I don’t think that was ever in question
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I’m saying, just WHAT is it that Favors does that is supposed to make Lopez playing with him that much easier? Jump? When you have offensive range (and the mental capacity to take it), you open up the block.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't Compare Cousins to Barkley
Barkley might have been just as athletic as Favors dude had a quick first jump.
A second unit
Given our lack of superstars, I’d like to see Avery develop a second unit, a la Phoenix. We could bring in a high energy unit, who is used to playing together in practice against the first unit, to protect a lead or try to catch up while the starters get a blow. Even if not perfect strategy for winning games, it gives opportunities and the fans get to see a lot more scrappy play.
Farmar/Morrow/Williams/James/Hump/Favors
not bad
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
hey guyz wolves r looking to trade al jefferson and they want 1 round draft pick if we can package 1 round with someone and get Al..tht would be beast..and the backcourt of lopez and Al…nasty and frountcourt of DH and morrow…..more than 40 win team i guess!!!!!!!!!
Yeah AL and Lopez would be horrible together
Defensively, but also offensively as well they don’t compliment each other.
Didn't hear him talk about the Nets.
But the guy clearly knows the game and is very well spoken. I think he’d make a nice coach 1 day.
He played with the nets in the ABA
and got dumped by the nets in one year. he was a jersey boy and probarbly wanted to play locally he hates them since.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 12, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, is there any history of trading draft picks, one month after draft?
Better to admit mistake now, than spend tens of millions for another PF who might not be necessary.
If Nets had Cousins, then no need for Scola.
Brandon Bass of Victor K. would be sufficient to complete a playoff bound squad.
it's summer league. Favors is only 18
How was the pick a mistake?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
his manlove knows no ends
no boundaries
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
who?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Billy King, the likely new President of the Nets - with Bobby Marks as GM
He may be interviewing and Proky may meet with him tomorrow.
That is what Thorn is thinking about now – his successor.
Really now? Then, Thorn must want a pack of psychotics at his front door with pitchforks, tar, feathes, gasoline, torches,
etc…………..
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
its going to happen
we’re the nets, when can anything ever go right for us?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
that is what im saying complain in 3 years if Cousins is the mvp and Favors is on the bench
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Are you watching this game?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
you just missed a travel by cousins at the free throw line, but the finish by finger roll was amazing, pretty much for anyone’s size.
I wasn’t even a Cousins guy before the draft. I was worried about a few things. But comparing them is crazy,
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You talk like we are not in agreement that Cousins looks better right now. But I knew they were gonna draft Favors right from the start, and I didn’t unerstand why, until i asked a few people and they said the Nets were very turned off by Cousins, and in 3 years they think Favors will be better.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Based on what???
Hope?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude the people that do this for a living came to this conclusion, so why kill them on it now. You are obviously emotionally invested in this, so you can’t understand that. In sports I know that during drafts sometimes front offices make decisions about players on other things other then on court abilities. I am not saying the decision was right or wrong but it is without a doubt to early to tell.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Yes. He looks more polished, but that was expected.
He’s drawing charges well but I don’t know how he’ll fare against true NBA big men.
How do you think Favors will do against NBA big men?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that either.
I think he’ll do fine (I hope he becomes a defensive force eventually). He did cause Speights to have a horrible game though.
Let’s just all be happy that we didn’t take Turner.
my point is that is will be maddengly inconsistant
that should be expected. We all follow draftexpress and Givony loved Favors, so did Ford. Portland and San Antonio tried to trade up in the draft – for Favors. Those are two model front offices.
I like Cousins game, but Favors has special talent.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 12, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone think Thorn is saying WHY DIDNT I TAKE COUSINS right now, he has 9 and 8 thru 1st half i know its summer league but still woow
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
Thorn is saying: Next guy's problem
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Billy King could have Bobby Marks make the trade of Favors for Cousins. For all we know, Billy King could be a Cousin's guy.
Of course Nets would have to pay dearly with draft picks.
The excuse would be that Proky wants to win right away..
WOW GUYS
the draft is over and cousins is 3000 miles clear to the other coast of the country.
and you’re still sniffing his jock.
get behind our man Favors. LOL
no disrespect to all the cousin lovers.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 12, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
YEAH! Favors is going to be a BEAST! He’s gonna be a superstar! He’s “hard work”. All you Net fans stop thinking, start cheering!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Favors and Cousins will BOTH be better than Amare in another year or two - if Amare is healthy.
Knicks won’t make playoffs the way they are going.
The latest with the Knicks is they are going to somehow sign both CP3 and Melo!!
Anything to keep Knicks fans dreaming.
At same time Isaiah is coming back to be GM for Knicks!
KV
everbody knew cousins current game was better than favors.
how about evaluating the kid first quarter of the season then at the seasons half and see if he improves. then see how he finishes.
we never took chances on 18 year olds . always took the solid player . i’m ready to see if we get a bynum or a j’oneal type of player.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 12, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What can I say. Its like you are imagining that Cousins is 23 years old. He’s 11 months older and he has the same amount of college experience.
What I’m saying is I was shocked at how bad Favors’ game is, and shocked at how good Cousins’ is. Is this a crime?
I wasn’t one of those Cousins guys before the draft.
For all those who want to say that Favors is going to be a very special player, it might be nice if they compared him to another 18 yr old big man with one year of college who bears the marks of being special.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i liked cousins
but i was worried about his drive to keep himself in top shape.
it’s easy when you’re 19 and you’re 20 pounds too heavy.
but when your metabolism starts too slow down as you get older .
you have to be disciplined.
Favors minsuses might be corrected by coaching.
Cousins is his Drive and attitude.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 12, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I worried about ALL the same stuff as you. But frankly he looks very fit for his body type right now, moves very fluidly. In fact, oddly, his shoulders are so wide he actually looks like he could put on some muscle.
I agree that he could balloon, that is what made me not a fan at the draft, but his is a very unique body. He’s like a cross between Duncan and Rasheed. I don’t know I was really struck by watching him on the court not having to watch Wall and think about if Kentucky was going to win. It was a different experience.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Cousins is getting more attention here than Anthony Morrow.
NBATV is a couple of trades behind. By Thursday they should have the Morrow trade posted.
Funny
That the name of the Kings Director of Player Personnel and TV analyst for the Kings is Jerry :)
by jasperjarrod on Jul 12, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
FAVORS......
is going to be a Super Star……..Please have patience……Cousins will be good but I feel that he won’t have anywhere’s near the career that FAVORS will have….
Ewing was THE dominant defensive player in College, and he had an unstoppable mid-range jump shot in the Pros. Favors has been neither.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. He’s been dominant in College. He’s been dominant in Summer League. No…wait, that’s Cousins.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That was expected..
Favors was just better for this team and could eventually be better than Cousins.
I can't wait for the season to start
I’m gonna root hard for Favors and will stick up for him all year, even when he struggles.
What a surprise
This has become a thread hijack for Cousins lovers and Favors haters.
IT’S DONE. Favors is two years away from being a great player. Cousins is more ready now.
What on earth do you expect to see in the summer league?
GIVE IT A REST PLEASE!
by eLonepb on Jul 12, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What you have in summer league is a guy who is 11 MONTHS younger than Favors playing like he is 5 years older than Favors. If you don’t want to watch it and talk about it, don’t, but burying your head in the sand saying “Favors is going to be a superstar in 3 years!” (based on nothing but fandom) is not worth much comment.
It is not that we SHOULD have picked Cousins – who cares – its that Cousins, if you watch him, is special ALREADY, and it shows just how far Favors has to go, and gives perspective on whether or not he will ever get there.
If the rule is “stop bringing up Cousins he makes my team look bad” what kind of rule is that. Frankly I was shocked at how remedial Favor’s game was when I watched it. And frankly I’m shocked at how advanced Cousins’ game is now that I watch it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude the people that do this for a living came to this conclusion, so why kill them on it now. You are obviously emotionally invested in this, so you can’t understand that. In sports I know that during drafts sometimes front offices make decisions about players on other things other then on court abilities. I am not saying the decision was right or wrong but it is without a doubt to early to tell.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Uh, its not like people who do this for a living didn't disagree on the question.
If your position is:
1. I don’t care how badly Favors looks, he is loaded with potential and will be better than Cousins.
2. I don’t care if Cousins gets triple doubles, he isn’t worth comparing Favors to.
This is just fandom speaking, and being that kind of fan simply isn’t very thoughtful.
And what am I suppose to say. It drives me crazy when people tell me things are going to be a certain way and they don’t even open their eyes and LOOK. Just look.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I expected Favors to struggle and Cousins to do well
The point is that it is to early to draw any conclusions. As a Nets fan, you gotta put your faith in management and give Favors a chance to mature. I doubt he’ll be better by the end of the year. Like a said before, there is a reason why San Antonio and Portland wanted to trade up for Favors… just give it some time.
Portland? I would take a Favors for Oden trade right now. One potential bust of one kind, for another potential bust of another kind.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
My only point this whole time was that when the Nets were deciding who to draft, Cousins was not an option. They thought he was a jek, they talked to former coaches I don’t know what turned them off but something did. I don’t know if Favors is going to be better, I am saying the Nets think they do. But after 1 summer league its way to early either way. The Nets could of made one of the bigest mistakes ever, or they may be right. You have every right to hate the pick and think Favors is going to be a bust. Lets wait until we have more to judge from. .
Since the face been revealed the game got real
As far as development
This kid is one year out of college. It seems Cousins got better coaching in college and a better supporting cast. We have no idea what kind of coaching these two kids had in high school or what type of competition they faced.
gsloots. Its not coaching. Its like saying Magic got better coaching at Michigan State (an exaggeration, but it is the main point). I don’t know how to say it. There are things that Cousins already does that NBA guys in the league NEVER learn to do. Guy with skill, guys with strength.
I’m not beating up on the team for making a bad pick, I’m just trying to put “special” in context. Those that love Favors are those that LOVE athleticism. Athleticism is really only like 10 to 15% of the game. Maybe he grows, maybe he gets confident, but the skills alone will always set these two players apart. I think you can see that just from watching them play. You do not teach the things that Cousins already does. And really, they are things of beauty.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I see what you're saying
But Favors did show some skill in the summer league he just doesn’t look fluid yet. Cousins knows exactly what his game is.
Favor’s game is developing.
Cousins is 11 months older not younger.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
my typo. Of course. The point is the difference in skill is not an age difference.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 12, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got in.....
Do youFans feel that we improved our team more than the Knicks did ?…Take into consideration that they did lose DLEE…….
this
the knicks will be better in the short-term
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I don't see that
We have a beter point guard better bench, Lopez and Staudamire I feel cancel each other out will have pretty much the same numbers, our roster to me looks better, I mean I don’t think Gallo will turn into Dirk this season, Chandler floats, and what else is there Bill Walker.
I think we can beat them
I think that we have them beat in several areas except PF.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing they got was Amare
We will see how he is without Nash, I would take the Nets roster over the Knicks, there are a lot of unknowns on the nicks roster, think more than ours.
I feel that the Kicks just signed a bunch of players ......
while the Nets have a plan in tact before they go after a player….
Just watched Morrow with his 37 point game
On youtube, the dude is better than Lee, I would trade Lee if I had to trade any of out young players, I feel like others have higher ceilings.
Gilbert actually put a curse on lebron is he half gypsy or something. LOL
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 12, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Stern is an A-Ole.....
He should have been following this two years ago…I hope Gilbert sues the NBA and wins….
Cavs should pay the penalty in pennies
Stern is really something … protecting these brats who think they own the league.
Sorry...
But I never would have given Amare that much moolah……He won’t be half as good without Nashie…..
I agree
It is going to be interesting to see how much better than David Lee he is without Nash giving him easy baskets.
Congrats on Morrow. He will be an excellent 6th or 7th man off the bench.
Cousins? Please remeber Anthony Randolph scored 40 points last year in Summer league in fact Morrow scored 47 points. Hell Marco Bellinelli scored like 30 in his first game. The SUMMER LEAGUE IS MEANINGLESS!!!
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
Jaycee Carrol
Doing his thing again this year playing on like 3 different summer league teams, I actually like him should be n the league.
this doesn't make any sense to me
I have no issue with trading T-will and picks, but unless that big man is Josh Smith, I think we should aim higher than the likely big men who’d be available.
And if it’s Al Jefferson I’ll cry.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
its probably gonna be david west or zach randolph
"I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant." Kobe
um if it's zach randolph
i’ll set something on fire.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jul 12, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
um West is a 29 year old on an expiring contract
if we’re going to trade young players we should at least get a young piece under contract back, if not go for the jugular and trade a big package for a start. Trading T-will for one year of west is just absurd.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I Think He is 2 More Years
And the 2nd year a team option, but I could be wrong.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no you're right
it’s a player option but you’re right. But still that’s in no way worth a long-term building piece. Especially when we’re not a team that’s a David West away from doing something.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yes, But
He would be a major asset again next year in trade if Favors is ready, or perhaps we would have his rights after that and be able to resign at a reasonable price.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
he's got a player option
For 11/12. Its 7.5 mill, but he may exercise it if he fears a new CBA.
Also, as we have seen, young players can be traded for almost nothing if the goal remains cap flexibility.
the only team that traded young players for almost nothing
was the knicks…and they’re not exactly a model franchise.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
What young players did the Bulls give away?
or the Jazz?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
jazz-ronnie brewer
bulls- idk maybe hinrich?
"I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant." Kobe
eh they didn't really give him away for cap flexibility
they gave him away because he was a dime a dozen and mostly a product of Deron.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Jazz: Maynor (for a 2nd rounder)
Bulls: Tyrus for a “future” 1st rounder. Not quite a give away, but its not much for a $40 million dollar big.
um it had nothing to do with cap room
it had to do with Thomas being a head case and a poison in the locker room. They had been having issues with him and trying to move him for years.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And maynor was like the last guy on their bench
giving away fringe players with next to no value who won’t play for most teams isn’t really the same as giving away young players for cap space. Giving away young players for cap space is packaging Jordan Hill with a #1 pick. Not a guy who had little chance of sticking on the roster anyway.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
because most undersized pgs drafted in the 20s
are fringe players. There’s way more Javaris Critterons than they were Darren Collisons.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
ESPECIALLY seniors
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
if its LaMarcus Aldridge, i'll be ok with it
"I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant." Kobe
oh me too
HE’S GOOD. Would be nice next to Brook. Would they do TWill for Brook straight up?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be okay with Aldrige
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Have You Seen His Contract?!
5 years $65m for a player that doesn’t rebound that well
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If West
is in the deal, they have to somehow lure Chris Paul. No way they make a deal with NO without him involved IMO.
Could TWill + Hump + Devin for CP3 + West work?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
NO is still reluctant to part with Paul
If he gets dealt, it will probably be in a deadline move IMO
NO already has collison y would they take harris?
i say favors+twill+1st will get it done.
its a lot but cp3 price would be crazy
"I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant." Kobe
I'd say that's way too much
for a team in ownership limbo, going broke and a superstar who wants out. No one gives up that much.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I really
don’t think trading Favors is the smartest idea. TWill on the other hand is tradable because he’ll bring in a lot of value. But this better be pretty darn good value coming back because TWill has potential to be very special IMO.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget Al Jefferson i'll take Kevin Love for T-WIll from the wolves.
that would even out the roster.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 12, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what stood out to me too. it better not be true. we better be getting an all-star big back. but if we think favors will be that why trade away a guy with the talent like twill? i would think aside from brook, twill would be the guy we would want to keep. kid has attitude and if he continues to mature he is a real player in this league. i dont like that statement AT ALL from DD
I don't see how Twill could play with evans
That team would be loaded with personality
That stinks
Is it worth losing him for a big man at this point though, with Favors here? That might be giving up too much
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 12, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I'm saying
there’s no big man that it makes sense to target that’s worth him. If we’re moving him it should be a for a long-term piece.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
DD has a habit...
Of stating his opinion as fact. I have no faith in his ’inside information."
by rundmc00 on Jul 12, 2010 9:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
between clee, morrow, and twill…i rather trade clee.
Twill has a lot of room for improvement and like others said…we won some games at the end of the season due to twill…he is definitely a better player than clee. I rather stay pat and not trade away twill…
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
disappointing
hate his attitude, love his potential and ability to be dynamic sixth man …
very much want to see what Avery can get out of him and if he can help me grow
if TWill is traded
i hope he goes out west. i dont wana see him in the east. i think he can be something very special. not franchise special, but he could control a game. lets see what avery can do with him and his defense.
DONT TRADE TWILL!
I have been scouring the Internet for articles of Billy King
I try to stay positive and understand that the Philly media can be tough, but I can’t find one good article, other than one that says he’s looking to get back in the league and was, at one time, considered an up-and-coming executive in the league.
I don’t get it.
it's simple
the basketball gods hate us. And they want us to be miserable for all eternity.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
HAS ANYONE DISCUSSED
the Thorn issue… The guy is clearly not retiring, just wants the F out of here… Does anyone know what and why its becoming so much clearer now? In recent days every article written after talking to Thorn basically says, he will be looking for work elsewhere, etc…
What happened to him wanting to be home with his wife who has been wanting him to retire for a few years now? There is something really fishy going on, and I would rather not wait to read it when Thorn’s book comes out…
Any insight would be interesting to hear… NI, Netdaily? Do you have anything on this??
It has become clear...
That Thorn wants to work but not for the Nets. It must be either money or control. I am fine with that but I just hope we don’t hire Billy. Proky has done well so far and I think he knows how the GM hire is for the organization.
by rundmc00 on Jul 12, 2010 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But he's apparently letting Thorn choose his successor
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I agree
I truly hope its not Billy King… If it is, I have to start wondering if guys don’t want to come here because a) they don’t know what they’re getting themselves into with the Russian Mafia or b) Avery has a bad rep out there, and no one wants to deal with him… Its starting to worry me, because everything good starts at the top, and say what you will about Thorn, but he is one of the MOST respected guys at the top in this league.
well I'm not sure how we can say it's because no one wants to come here
when by every report the only guys we’ve chased have either been under contract in good situations they have no reason to leave, or mediocre guys. We don’t need to hire an established gm, we can take a top exec from a front office like the Thunders or San Antonio, that’s how the thunder got presti he came from the spurs front office, but instead we seem obsessed with only going after guys who have held the gm title. No matter how horrible they were.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I hear you...
Just don’t understand the whole Thorn thing…
yeah I can't either
if you’re basically forcing a guy out because he won’t take a paycut…why are you letting him choose the guy who replaces him?? That sounds like asking for a nightmare.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I THINK IT IS A NIGHTMARE!!
It concerns me as a fan and financial supporter of the team… You know that the real stuff will start filtering out after he leaves, and who knows what the backlash of that might mean.
maybe...just maybe...
Rod wants to be with him family on a beach somewhere more than in an office in the “swamps.”
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i believed that at first
but now every report makes it seem like otherwise, including quotes from Thorn.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
He doesn't want to do this anymore
He wants to move to NBA front office, or do NBA TV work. He’s been pretty clear about the whole thing.
“The real story is it’s time,” Thorn said Monday of his pending departure. “I got along great with Mr. Prokhorov and his people, no problem with any of them. I like his forecast for what he wants to do. It’s just time. I have been thinking about it for a couple of years and I just think it’s time. Sometimes you go along and your time just runs out. To me, I felt my time was up here.”
from the same article
“If someone is interested in talking to me about what I am doing now, I would be willing to talk or if it’s in another capacity I would be certainly willing to do that, too,” he said with the latter referring to television work.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
and
“I’m not retiring,‘’ Thorn said in an interview Saturday night with FanHouse. "We’ll see what transpires after (leaving the Nets) and what comes up. But I’m not retiring.’’
Thorn said he still has interest in running a team, and could have interest if such a job came up for next season.
“I might have if something like that comes along,’’ Thorn said.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
hmmmm
maybe the “I’m not retiring” thing means he’d do TV work? Who knows…?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Its in the Stefan Bondy piece above...
put its been brought up numerous times from all of our writers in the last week…
um
you’re welcome. We have a center. A darn good one. So people need to let the whole argument go already!
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
reading tea leaves
Dave D says what I’ve been saying the past few days, a trade of Twill is most likely. I like Twill’s game and personally would not do it but when they signed new guys at every position he plays and showcase jim in orlando, it became obvious. So why do they want to? Giving it some thought, I think it is because of the Avery – Devin relationship and Twill is too much of a threat to Devin, or at least is too likely to act as if he is, and Avery wants him to go to assure that everyone lines up behind Devin as PG and team leader. Not sure I agree but it’s what I think is at work.
by mt57 on Jul 12, 2010 9:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
that kind of sounds reasonable
and incredibly annoying
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
its mostly speculation or rumor
i dont remember the article
rand total: That’s a payroll of 12 guys making $43,097,425.
And with the cap at $58-million plus, that gives the Nets exactly $14,947,575 still left over and a power forward chasm still to fill.
As for the other two guys hanging around, Brian Zoubek has a better chance at sticking than Ben Uzoh, so figure they’ll have to budget in another $473K for him if he’s on the roster in November.
Upshot: The more we think about it, now that Udonis Haslem is officially off the board, they’re probably not likely to spend much more. They’re going to pursue a deal that involves T-Will and draft picks.
dave d article
it’s at the end of the dave d article liked in this very blog post
How about
TWill, Humpdiedump for Josh Smith? This might actually make sense
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
how would that make sense for Atlanta
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Cu they just
paid JJ $119 million. Desperate need of a PG. TWill could maybe do that for them? Idk this is just a prayer that would be nice to have come true.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
they have Bibby?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
at this point
t-will is a player with no position who lacks the skills to play pg…so how is that better?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
they're in desperate need for a low post threat
and Josh Smith is their best player by far.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
atl has jj bibby crawford and williams no room for twikk
"I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant." Kobe
darn
wanted that to make sense somehow.
OK so give me your best suggestion for a PF we trade for using TWill Humpie and Picks
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think there's any realistic situation
where it makes sense for us to move t-will for a pf
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
not even
Al Jefferson? I almost would do that in a heart beat
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Jefferson and Lopez is a horrible horrible idea
in the front court. There’s a reason Minnesota is trying to move one of him and Love.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Looks Like Jefferson to Utah for picks etc...
No Longer an option. On to the Next… PLEASE DON’T Trade T-Will. I want to watch him blossom into brooklyn.
The NETS are coming!
Atlanta Has Some Decisions to Make
Big bucks to JJ
Marvin Williams on a good sized deal
Josh Smith makes big money
Horford needs to be extended
Pachulia makes good money
And they have no depth and a notoriously cheap ownership
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well actually they ahve no ownership right now
they’re still in litigation
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Very good news to here TWill is on the trading block
I’ve been down on TWill ever since Twittergate, wishing he had been drafted by a different team; ever since he talked back to Kerber; ever since he nearly came to blows with Doug Overton; ever since he missed the team bus; ever since he got into it with Avery; ever since he demonstrated he can get his own numbers and not his teammates’; ever since he decided to cast himself as a 3-point marksmen and nearly got booted to the D-League; etc., etc.
It’s funny hearing how we Nets fans overrate this guy. David West? LaMarcus Aldridge? Are you kidding me? On the forum side, I just posted that I hope we can get Verajao for him. Amazing how overrated TWill is (evidently people swoon over athleticism).
It's Not Really What We Think
It’s what other teams think.
On other forums I’m on posters rave over this guy. Why wouldn’t we want to feed the hype and get maximum value?
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
wait until tWill wins the slam dunk contest
Then trade him to a team looking to make a splash and get rid of salary.
The only reason we would trade him now is because Avery Johnson does not want him on the team. If that is the case we have to trade him because he won’t play anyway and his trade value will go down.
i'd rather keep him
than take on varejao and his horrible contract. Like the guy above said there’s a thing called maximizing value. He’s a young relatively cheap player who’s shown flashes. It makes zero sense to give him away for nothing. And Varejao is less than nothing. if we can’t get a 30 year old on an expiring contract from a team that’s going broke (David West in NO) then it makes no sense to move him at all.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
STOP THE MADNESS
seriously what the hell. how is this happening???
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
but he's the leading candidate
and we don’t seem to be seriously considering anyone else as far as I can tell.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
rand total: That’s a payroll of 12 guys making $43,097,425.
And with the cap at $58-million plus, that gives the Nets exactly $14,947,575 still left over and a power forward chasm still to fill.
As for the other two guys hanging around, Brian Zoubek has a better chance at sticking than Ben Uzoh, so figure they’ll have to budget in another $473K for him if he’s on the roster in November.
Upshot: The more we think about it, now that Udonis Haslem is officially off the board, they’re probably not likely to spend much more. They’re going to pursue a deal that involves T-Will and draft picks.
Warriors fan here
You guys got a great player. He was a fan favorite here. I can’t wait till Ellison buys our team so he can fire all these front office clowns. Anyways, as most of you guys know, he’s the best three point shooter in the league. If he gets an open 3, it’s almost guaranteed to go in. He also showed the potential to defend last year (he has the length). He’s also a hard worker, so you can count on him improving over the years. However, he’s terrible playing on the ball, and can look very awkward when dribbling (he’’ll try to run a fast break, but bounce it off his foot for example). But this shouldn’t be a problem, because he’s primarily a spot up shooter, and can take a lot of pressure off Devin, T-Will, and Brook. Enjoy him
Whoa wait a minute
If he gets an open shot he’ll make it?
I’m not sure I’ve seen that on the Nets since the early 90’s.
he clearly means if he gets an open shot
he’ll either make a stupid pass and it will lead to a turnover, or he’ll airball it
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You Warrior fans are lucky that Thorn screwed up in not pursuing David Lee with more effort.
Lee would have fit the Nets needs better, but I guess Nets really only wanted him four 3 years, until Favors developed.
Nets should have taken Lee while everyone was talking about LeBron. His pricetag was lower then.
Getting Lee would have really helped the Nets in their future battle for fans in New York City.
Lee gives it 100% every night, win or lose.
i like what lee is all about
but i have a hard time believing that we can’t find the ‘next’ david lee out there for pennies on the dime. ultimately, his price tag was steeeep
This whole David Lee
thing is so stupid… I like the guy, yeah he plays hard, but I’m glad we didn’t pay him $70M, so let’s move on… Yeah, GSW fans are lucky we didn’t pursue him harder, really?? PLEASE….!
few....... looks like we wont be getting al jefferson
he’s a/b to be traded to utah
"I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant." - Kobe Bryant
well thank God for small miracles
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
If we hire Billy King
who’s with me in storming with pitch forks?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jul 12, 2010 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
We should bring pitch forks if Thorn tries to trade TWill.
Fans need something to look forward too.
These recent trades have left TWill no choice but for him to prove he is better than everyone.
TWill won’t even be given a chance to crack the rotation.
I doubt if Billy King would trade away TWill.
by jerry25 on Jul 12, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you'll need
the pitch forks to get through the swamp.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
well I wouldn't go that far
but I imagine Isiah as gm with Walsh as president would actually be a really good combo. Cause Walsh could veto all of Isiah’s stupid while Isiah could still use his weird ability to spot talent.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
billy king
was philly’s version of isiah. he was a pariah there. that’s enough for me to cancel the interview
we could do better also
when the best thing you can say is we could do worse. it means it’s a bad idea.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
billy king was a debacle in philly
i can’t believe the short memory in the NBA. the GM move is a bigger move than virtually any of these FA signings. Billy King would make me seriously throw my hands in the air and contemplate giving up.
i would rather have these young, successfull cap guru doods
like cho from okc (behind all of presti’s moves), or penn formerly of portland cap guru behind pritchard). these old time “basketball” guys are dinosaurs. i would even rather have proky bring in a whole staff from russia and europe that he knows to have been the best of the best
yep same here
it makes absolutely no sense for us to be chasing after these retreads like Bowers, King, Dumars and totally ignoring these young top execs.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
we're going to need someone who can digest the new CBA quickly and find holes
That is where the Knicks got burnt after the last CBA
also is it that surprising
Thorn is the one being allowed to choose his successor, obviously he’s going to favor old basketball guys and be unimpressed with new young guys from a totally different school of thought than his own. Which is why he’s chasing Dumars, Bowen and King while being unimpressed with Pritchard.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
i think this is proky's
first legitimate litmus test. he did the best he could w/ the lebron thing, but ultimately that wasn’t his call. picking a new GM/president is his call, and will have as much lasting effect on the franchise. if we see one of these “thorny” type of dinosaurs it will mean thorn, as an outgoing dood, had waaay too much say in the process and i will start doubting how serious proky is about this team w/o lebron
also
this is where proky can spend dough to basically buy the best guy for the job. no salary cap problems, no worry about overpaying. make the statement that the nets will pay top dollar for the best basketball mind in the universe.
eh i don't think money is going to be the issue
i doubt any of the top gms happy in their current teams are going to leave regardless of cash. The issue is who they’re targetting not how much they’ll pay. I’d be much more impressed about them raiding execs from top front offices than dropping huge money for big names.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
look at the contracts that he has handed out and the decisions that he has made
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 13, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
an exec from one of the top west coast front offices
like the spurs, or mavs, or rockets, or okc, or portland, lakers, suns etc
not a retread who was mediocre at best at his last stop.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
no their gms don't
I’m not saying their gms, I’m saying top execs. Almost any exec would leave if offered a gm job. The only guys who have turned us down are gms who have no reasons to leave their current posts.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
they need to get pritchard, he is best available ,
and then colangelo
He has to get along with Avery.
Not sure he would?
avery hasn't been in town long enough
to cater to who he wants to have a beer with or not. get the best guy to run the team. otherwise avery should pick the dood, or take the post himself which shouldn’t happen
Jefferson to Utah
Trade exception created by Boozer sign-and-trade can let UTA absorb Jefferson contract w/out sending out salary and seal deal w/draft picks
I just approved a Jazz roster move that I’m very excited about. Planning to share details tomorrow.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jul 12, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I swear they get Morrow for cheap
Ands get Outlaw for so much more when Morrow is better and more talented. It’s like 2 different people signed those two players…
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I think
Avery and Sam Mitchell could turn Al Jefferson and Brook Lopez into a top front court in the NBA
by corky_romano4life on Jul 12, 2010 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
NO AL JEFFERSON
That guy has just fallen apart..
July 1st in this b***h wuzzzzup
-Proky and Hova
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 12, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Jefferson is recovering from Surgery and wouldn't be available for many months.
Utah can afford to take a chance. They don’t have much other alternatives.
I wouldn't trade.....
TWILL…He is goig to be a Star…Nor would I trade picks now…Isn’t that why we drafted Favors at # 3…Play him and let him develop……
oh a post about this...
yeah i would probably hold on to him for a bit and then trade him… or just hold on to him.
Dave D is saying nets are looking for deal possibly involving TWILL and picks for a PF
i say hold on to this guy for a bit and then trade him when his value is higher….
Awful. Thorn should be fired by Proky before he can trade TWill
If Nets had just taken Cousins, there would be no need to get an expensive Four now.
Now we lose TWill on top, just because he drafted a PF who isn’t ready?
We were wondering, with 3 of the 4 additions all taking up TWill's minutes, what time would be left for him?
Only conclusion is that TWill would just have to prove that he is better than they are.
I'd say Avery...
… would be the prime mover if TWill is sent packing. You can see friction being reported there already.
Having a hard time grasping who the Nets trading partner would be.
Cleveland? Twill + Humphries for Varejao + right to swap of first round picks in 2011?
It would be Avery
He is not called the little general for nothing. He wants/demands discipline.
TWill has loads of talent, but it appears very little discipline. As other posters have noted he thrived in Kiki street ball not in structured basketball.
Avery will have a short leash – TWill is not an 18 year old kid his a grown man of 23-24 who needs to get it now – and Avery needs to win now so no patience for a space cadet regardless of how many spectacular dunks he throws down. We need all the development time we have for the kiddy corps as it is.
we could be heading toward
a stephen jackson situation w/ Twill. we take the shot on him, develop him, he shows flashes of brilliance as well as space cadetedness, he doesn’t fit into what we’re doing at the time, we ship him out and he becomes a valuable dood in another city
still not sure if this is good or bad- but just could be a timing thing
thats fine with me
i just don’t want to trade him before he has value for spare parts
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
that's the one thing i'm thinking
he’s going to be of value, if not now very soon. can’t just give him away for role players or some lame PF that we use to groom favors
+1
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
+2
If It MUST BE DONE get value. A Stop gag PF is not value at this point.
I would say give up Ross (NOT T-Will) and a pick for a PF or just get Amundson and go PF by committee With Hump starting till favors is ready.
T-Will is a valuable utility type.By not carrying a 3rd point T-Will can be the back up WHEN Devin gets hurt. T-Will can start at SF WHEN Outlaw gets hurt.
The NETS are coming!
name another player the Nets gave up on
who went and made them look stupid…and remember the Sixers (King) took Korver with the pick the Nets sold them, not the reverse.
I don't understand how trading for Varejao and that terrible contract
ever makes sense. Especially since I doubt swapping first rounders with Cleveland would be very valuable. At best we’ll probably be in the same area.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Why is that contract “horrible”?
Its four years, he’s still 27, and is from 1 to 2 million over the average player salary per.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Haslem is signed for WAY less
even the offer we gave him was about 10 million less
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
What are you talking about? Haslem MADE 7 mill last year and took a HUGE play cut to play with Miami. You can’t site his contract with Miami as the market price for an “energy guy”
Here is a comparison of the two players last year.
Dallas offered the full exemption (which was ALL they could offer) and that starts at 5.8. Believe me they would have offered much more. Varejao is two years younger and makes 7 mill this year and next year (exactly what Haslem made).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
then 8 million
then 9 million, then 9 million again. For a player who’s been declining (look at his PER/points/rebounding etc the last 3 years) that’s a terrible contract.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
No. The last year is a team option.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Its a four year contract
7
7
8.4
9.1
He is 27 (still)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
what does his age matter
if he’s been getting worse regardless?
And my point still stands that it’s still more than what we offered Haslem, which is why I cited what we offered not what he signed for, for a guy who’s not as good as Haslem.
It’s above average money, and that’s before a CBA change, for a guy who’s barely average.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
His age matters because he is being compared to Haslem who is 2 years older.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
i didnt compare them
but regardless of his age haslem is a better player right now
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
what are you talking about “getting worse”?
Take a look at his per 36 minutes. No sign of his slowing down at all. (And look at his FG percentage).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Don't see his PER declining...
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/varejan01.html
Other than his rookie season and the year he was hurt, he’s in the 14-15 range, with last season being 15.8
Consistently better PER than Haslem in less minutes over the past 3 seasons, and the Nets were willing to offer UH around $7M per.
PS if PER is the measure...
…. Nets should definitely be sending a significant 3 year offer sheet to Scola
Let’s put it this way. The eyeball test probably makes Haslem the better player, but in a close comparison. And Varejao is younger. In any case his is not a “horrible” contract. It is pretty much in the market of what is there and what we would offer.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Haslem 6 yrs 20 million....
Must be plenty of “fringe” benefits down there in South Beach.
I’m Actually in Miami now. Got here Friday for God’s sake they are talking 4 titles over the next 6 years “easy”. Sickening. Then me getting clowned for being a Net fan is even worse.
I hope the Lakers can hold em off. No Team in the east is able to put up a fight now. Boston loosing Tony Allen will HURT. The same way Loosing Posey hurt them.
The NETS are coming!
Like I said...
… I’m having a hard time figuring out who would be a trading partner, if we’re sending TWill and looking for a PF in return.
Sure sounds like Proky didn't give Thorn what he wanted when he says "unless something big breaks"
If it was Thorn wanting to retire, he could have accepted a contract from Proky and just stepped down in a few months.
The way it happened, was worst case for Nets ahead of free agency.
There should be a new topic about David Stern's meeting and press conference tonight.
It would be newsworthy if Prokhorov was there and is headed to New Jersey.
Is Billy King ready to interview?
Al Jefferson would have been a terrible fit. Kevin Love would have been a better fit. You need a guy to get the hell out of Lopez way. Haslem, or that type, would be perfect. Humphries would be ok, but he seems to think he’s still the big man on campus he was in Minnesota. If he can stop putting the ball on the floor and limit his offense to outback, he might be good.
www.twitter.com/robertjamis
by robertjamis on Jul 12, 2010 10:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here was the TWill interview after the Summer League.
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/videos/2010/07/08/terrence-williams-i-want-to-show-im-a-warrior/
Notice he said 2/3 way into interview that unless Nets get a few pieces, he should get more playing time.
Well it looks like Nets got a few more pieces – so now what?
TWill also said near end of interview that he isn’t thinking about the playoffs, unless the Nets get a few more pieces.
Sounds like making the playoffs isn’t the main goal of TWill, but getting a chance to play is his priority.
TWill is a stud
Definitely our most talented player, by the end of last season he was our best player. He was a rookie so I don’t quite understand why so many people are all over his jock for typical immature rookie antics. I remember how everyone was drooling over RJ from his rookie year and all he did was basically throw down alley oops from J.Kidd. TWill has a situation his rookie year that was nearly an impossible situation. His rebounding prowess, his ballhandling, his passing ability, his ability to start the break, are all very advanced and he has a skillset few possess. What a train wreck this team already is, to trade TWill, coming off an awful 12 win season with a team nearly devoid of talent, would be the height of absurdity.
by Chris2 on Jul 12, 2010 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If anything, I would surmise that getting Farmar keeps open the possibility of trading Harris down the road.
If Harris, TWill and Farmar look good to start the season, then trading Harris for a PF seems more likely.
TWill’s upside is much higher than Harris, but right now Harris could bring more in a trade.
well we pretty much know what Harris's ceiling is at this point
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Harris is 27 years old
he is what he is
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 13, 2010 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
also
we have Favors who is our PF of the future, so why trade TWill for a big man who won’t start in the long term? It’s ridiculous. TWill is our most talented player, we have nothing but a bunch of role players at the wing positions, we can’t afford to trade him… NO WAY!
Tons of Free Agents
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/nba.free.agent.tracker/index.html
So many familiar names, including Jason Collins and Antoine Wright …. many in their early 20s too.
And, strange to think these guys have played basketball their whole lives and then many are finished (can’t get contract) several years later: Adam Morrison, Acie Law, Javaris Crittendon .. I mean, our own Boone, age 25 .. is his pro career over?
Marcus Williams .. 24
was a top college player and the pick we were excited about … and now, potentially finished just a few years later
Not Over
All these guys will almost certainly continue making a living playing basketball overseas. It’s definitely not over. All those guys are young and could come back into the league. All those guys are potential NBA rotation players. No need to feel sorry for them. They’ll be making millions playing basketball while we sit here and discuss lol.
by mikegrand15 on Jul 12, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't trade Terrence Williams....
this management of the franchise always likes to shoot ourselves in the foot.
Trade away CDR, and Yi for almost nothing.
Now they wanna trade away our most potential small forward for an aging big man.
Why not just to play Favors ? If you don’t wanna play him right away, why not just have drafted Cousins?
otherwise, they also haven't done well in the FA marker, either.
Can we get someone named Danny Ferry or Pritchard.
They are way better than the current one, and Thorn is a pest with beautiful shell.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 12, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No...
…Avery wants to trade away his biggest potential headache to fill a void in the roster.
I recommand a Never-Trade clause to the Nets players including
Devin Harris
Terrence Williams
Derrick Favors
Brook Lopez.
Harris haters plz stop talking about trading Harris. He won’t get traded.
T-Will is like that, too.
These four are our most best core. Don’t trash our players before they really have a good surrounding.
Can you imagine if Kobe’s coach is kiki or Frank? Stop the nonsense.
I agree one should NEVER trade 3/5th of a 12 win team. They should be untouchable.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
then you should trade away the whole team and change the team name
and move this team to the moon. the problem is soved.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 12, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
really if the magic offered us dwight?
you wouldn’t trade one of those guys?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
well of course. you trade anyone on our team for a true superstar like Dwight. We are all on edge because it seems like they may trade a young stud for a stopgap PF. Its a recipe for sustained mediocrity.
yeah agreed a stop gap pf is stupid
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
this
Unless Terrence said something crazy to the Nets brass, I don’t know if it’s wise to trade him for a stop gap that can easily be had on the market
But these are the same guys considering Billy KIng over Pritchard, so…
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 13, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
but you have to ask yourself if Magic want to do that?
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 12, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But you should understand what I was talking about.
Not playing with the words.
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 12, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but there are players like that actually on the block
the hawks are considering moving Josh Smith, would you swap Lopez for him?
I’d at least have to consider it.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
who do you want to play center, you a Petro believer? FAVORS is our PF. Josh would be nice, but its not in the cards.
sign brad miller
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I would trade every player on our roster except Lopez.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Lopez for Josh Smith ?
and you even consider about it ? oh well…
I overrated you, Gina.
Lopez is being considered as the 2nd best center in the East.
And you might accept to trade him for a athletic PF who is not better than Amare Stoudemire…
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 12, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
the hawks are considering moving Josh Smith, would you swap Lopez for him?
I’d at least have to consider it.
I wouldn’t even consider such a swap
that's a horrible deal
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 13, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
SO
What should we do next? Im thinking Aldridge….Even if his contract is a little ridiculous, i think he obviously makes us a playoff team, and hes still only 25. down side is it may impede favors progress…im torn
it would be tough
to trade twill..
i would rather let clee go
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Both CLee and TWill are better than every free agent we have signed so far. Don’t trade either of them. Favors is our PF of the future and until he is ready, we won’t be winning any rings or even close. So just rebuild patiently and if opportunities arise to acquire a superstar you can do so. But this is unlikely.
I really dont care that much. Its all window dressing until Favors, Brook, and TWill grow up.
by Chris2 on Jul 12, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Both CLee and TWill are better than every free agent we have signed so far. Don’t trade either of them. Favors is our PF of the future and until he is ready, we won’t be winning any rings or even close.
Exactly, Chris.
Neither Morrow nor Outlaw are better than TWill or CLee… and we shouldn’t trade a stud like TWill for a sto gap PF… Favors is our PF of the future
why would aldidge even on the table
blazers have on of the wealthiest owners in the nba…i dont think they need to shed money
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
what about earl barron?
he’s on the market and was decent last year? Why is there no interest in him, I know absolutely nothing about him outside of his name and statline, but it seems like it would make more sense to use him as a stop gap then trade for one.
not to mention harrington, and chris wilcox are still available aren’t they?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
i mean i think the entire idea is more keeping favors from having to start
and not making some absurd trade for a stop gap. how high are our standards
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yea
good point….I would rather someone a tad older who could tutor favors, but i guess thats why avery and mitchell are here
by Kevin Growney on Jul 12, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No Kevin you are excatly right IMO 4 is one of the biggest transitions when you get to the NBA. Like favors has always been bigger then his competition, but now he is the same size, a lot of the moves in college are not as affective in the league. A vet could help his progression so much IMO
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Plus
I never liked harrington, nothing more than a scorer
by Kevin Growney on Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He is not my first choice
Yeah but limited options, since Haslem resigned we can only take whats available.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
idk
That game where Harrington dunked and got a technical and slamming his hand on the backboard made me wonder about him…No denying the talent tho
by Kevin Growney on Jul 12, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
WojYahooNBA
Charlotte owner Michael Jordan has had “second thoughts” on trade with Toronto and deal is suddenly in peril, league sources tell Y! Sports.
The trade between Toronto, Bobcats and Suns.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 12, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
oopss! sorry!
The Turkoglu for Barbosa is a separate one so this is between the raptors and bobcats only.
Boris Diaw for Jose Calderon and Tyson Chandler for the trade exception the team obtained from Miami in the Bosh sign-and-trade deal."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 13, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
wait
tyson chandler and diaw are both bobcats. Do you mean Chandler and Diaw for Calderon?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
No
Boris Diaw for Calderon and Chandler for the TE.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 13, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
oooooh okay
i see
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
lol idk why
but tha’ts hilarious to me. Why is Jordan allowed to have any thoughts, if Jordans involved in personnel decisions that franchise is doomed.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
WojYahooNBA
Y! Sources: Michael Jordan’s reluctance causes Toronto-Charlotte trade to hit snag; deal to be revisited Tuesday: http://tinyurl.com/2g8kwwk
by jasperjarrod on Jul 13, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
SpearsNBAYahoo
The Jazz are “close” to acquiring Al Jefferson from Wolves, a source told Yahoo! Sports. Another source said Mavs not in the running.
sbnation
Reports: Jazz Close To Acquiring Al Jefferson From T’Wolves http://sbnation.com/e/1330845
by jasperjarrod on Jul 13, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i did too
but the fact that michael jordan thinks it makes me question.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jul 13, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
MJ is right
Kobe is a far more skilled player
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 13, 2010 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So now that we know that the Jazz are seriously considering Al Jefferson
does this means we have a greater chance at Ak47 or even Millsap?
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Dave D is just being speculative
I read what he said about TWill on another and it’s nothing but his guess. That’s just what he figures, and he doesn’t think he fits in, which is ridiculous.
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/07/a_good_nets_investment_the_cas.html
So, figure they’ll try to twin him with another contract, throw in a draft pick, and get their starting 4 that way.
That is so ridiculous, it’s not even funny. We can trade our most talented player for a stop gap PF. Favors is our PF of the future, we need a PF who just take some pressure off Favors until he’s ready to start. We can’t trade TWill for a guy who won’t be starting for us in the future. It would have made more sense to overpay Boozer or Lee than do something this retarded.
So many times, I always wonder why some people in the organization or a beat writer
can’t think cleverly than the fans.
Nobody would trade Tyreke Evans for David West if the Kings have no starting pf.
it's stupid.
You’d be better off signing a Craig Smith for a year or two instead of trading away a 2nd year player with promise for someone who won’t be in the plans within 2 years.
Dumb idea.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 13, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
man....this board's popularity has really maintained even after the Lebron craze
Over 750 posts on this thread??!!! wow! U guys should go out to Nets games this year and pack that arena! Hopefully they’re good!
I hope our players makes some nice strides this year under avery—some real coaching! It’d be great if we were attractive enough for Melo to just wanna join the squad. Hopefully this year will allow us to bring some more value to the pieces we have and make some trades for Superstars…
Melo in Brooklyn is what i wanna see. Adding Rubio or CP3 to that would be nice. Or Devin and Brook really breaking out this year to the extent that none of us would even consider moving him.
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