The Big Guys Come Alone
by Net Income on Jun 8, 2010 5:04 PM EDT
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PrintThe Nets looked at more candidates for their picks at #27 and #31 Tuesday--liking what they say from Alabama's 6'5" PG Mikhail Torrance in particular, but the big news is that Rod Thorn announced the top candidates for #3 will be coming in next week...and alone.
DeMarcus Cousins, Kentucky's 6'11" C-PF, and Wesley Johnson, Syracuse's 6'7" SF, will be in mid-week while Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech's 6'10" PF, will be in the week after. "They come by themselves," Thorn said. "You talk to them and work them out, but they’re by themselves." Having seen all of them play 8 to 10 times, the Nets feel they have a good grip on what they can do on the court.
In Tuesday's workout, the Nets' Ben Couch reports (via Twitter) that Tom Barrise, who is running the workouts, was "impressed w/ the guards today, particularly Mikhail Torrance ('Bama) for his length, handle & quickness." Also in was Quincy Pondexter, Washington's 6'6" SG who played high school ball with Brook Lopez and brother Robin.
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- Guards Impress Nets at Tuesday Workout - Ben Couch - New Jersey Nets
- DeMarcus Cousins leads prospects in metrics-based rankings - Chad Ford - ESPN Insider
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Roll the dice and take Cousins
He’s the only one of the three with the potential to bring a championship to Newark.
by darrell1 on Jun 8, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Newark/Brooklyn
Cousins has an immediate impact and gets us past the 1st round of the playoffs, assuming we also get RGay. Favors impact is a few years away and gets us only to the 1st round of the playoffs.
Cousins costs too much on the food budget...
And Brook/Cousins would be a defensive disaster.
It didn't break the bank in Kentucky. DeMarcus seemed to like the food there-
I don’t like showing HS videos, but these reinforce the potential of Cousins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyoaxVct1vM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrmFF9ktHk&NR=1
And what good college life will do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhhkg8JHd5M&NR=1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgWWmktsJQw&feature=related
And the love of the tough coach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvnnrUUb194&feature=related
Should we judge anything from the order? Cousins > Johnson > Favors.
I hope so.
I wish someone could give us the latest Scale Reading on Cousins. (AKA Rear-End Report). The Nets future may depend on it.
by jerry25 on Jun 8, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Should we assume that Aminu has been eliminated, as Johnson is regarded higher going forward?
Not interviewing Aminu could also mean Nets are set on going after RGay immediately.
Yesterday, ESPN reported that Minny wants to get RGay. Proky’s money can beat him only if he goes first, I believe, and Memphis has to “cave” and/or request a mild S&T.
Getting Cousins would make free agency much easier, but it could result in DLee leaving NY Area.
It would be hard to split minutes with DLee, Cousins, Lopez and Hump.
With Favors that would be possible for 2 years, but then what?
I think the big man rotation of Cousins, Lee, Lopez and Hump would be just fine. Actually one more big man would not be bad during the regular season.
Yes, I wouldn't mind. Thorn could sleep at night having solved the Big Man problem. Hump could easily be moved later on, not to mention Yi.
But it would use about 23 million of next year’s almost 28 million in effective cap space. Media would laugh at Nets for not getting a “TOP” FA like Tracy McGrady (according to ESPN top 9 FAs!!), but that would be a 45-plus win team next year.
Would Lee sign on, knowing Cousins would be competing for minutes? Would Cousins be happy with 25 or less minutes after 1 year?
Lopez/Lee/Cousins : 36/35/25 minutes would utilize all the time at the 4/5. Hump would be backup for injury along with maybe a Big at the #31 pick. No room for Yi? (That’s a pity).
Other possibility is to move DLee or Cousins at a later time, when their value is even Higher or say in a S&T for LeBron!
Think of Lee and Gay serving as placeholders if needed.
I would love that team. Young, without having to worry much about injuries to CP3 or waiting to see if Favors develops.
agreed!
Especially bigs that could play multiple positions (PF and Center positions). DLee and DCousins could do that. Don’t forget we have Yi also :)
by jasperjarrod on Jun 9, 2010 6:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What does this even mean...
Proky’s money can beat him only if he goes first, I believe, and Memphis has to "cave" and/or request a mild S&T.
…jerry25?
There are rules and a cap to consider.
NI explained how it works. It is all legal and is similar to the KMart trade. I am surprised no one has picked it up.
Memphis would have to come up with something like $30 million to pay RGay during this July!
Could Memphis come up with the cash? If not, they lose RGay. They can instead back off and request something in return, such as a draft pick and CDR.
Cap is not an issue, because 1st year salary would be in limits to allow Nets to shop for someone like DLee during that week. Knicks are only other team with that luxury, but their season would be a FLOP if they wasted time in early July on RGay.
Proky probably loved the idea when it was likely explained to him. It gives him an advantage that is legal.
Could be why he brought up Gay’s name at press conference. According to Dave D. Proky can’t name 10 NBA players, but he knows Gay was drafted #8, which he believes was a steal. Funny that only NetsDaily readers pick up on these things. The National Media should be reading NetsDaily.
Here is the “how to get RGay” from Jan 30
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/1/30/1346848/how-to-get-rudy-gay
(I get a commission for each time posting this)
And remember...
Cousins gets us out of the first round AND will attract LBJ.
Is there anything Cousins cannot do? I bet he can hop on one foot and rub his stomach at the same time (I assume he will have also just finished a Big Mac).
Come on Run...
Cousins has talent. So what if he has 16% body fat and an attitude (Hey its Benoit Benjamin!).
He has talent...
You ever see the weiner eating contest from Coney Island?
Cousins will get us our own E true hollywood story
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
yeah, if he ends up...
….laying dead on a hotel room floor. Cause of death: overdose on chicken cheese steaks
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 9, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Well maybe standing behind Prokhorov, with Avery looking on and LeBron waiting in the wings.
Entitled “The New Russians” or “The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming”
At least every Sports Magazine cover for real.
Cousins would be a bigger TV draw than Turner, at least initially. You wouldn’t know what to expect with Cousins – stay tuned.
^^^^Everything above this is why I hate talking about Cousins on here
Because neither side can actually discuss the player, just the stupid jokes that go along with either liking or hating Cousins.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 9, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
he's a fatty dude...
….lighten up. We’re gonna kill him until the draft about his love for food. If he gets drafted on this team, his fatness will be a daily topic of discussion.
No one is saying that he can’t play, most of us are worried that he’ll sell his soul for a double bacon cheeseburger
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 9, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I get what you're doing. It's just not that funny.
And not in an “OMG I’M OFFENDED BECAUSE I LOVE DEMARCUS COUSINS” way… just an eye-roll “not this dumb joke again” kind of way.
Dead horse is dead.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 9, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
you're offended...
….i see. You have an affinity towards those Kentucky kids. It’s understandable.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 9, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No, dude
Come on, are you even reading what I’m saying? It’s just lazy humor. It’s remedial, and boring, and you make the same dumb jokes in every single thread. It’s not offensive. It’s just not funny. It was barely funny in the first place, and when it’s your entire repertoire, it’s painfully bad.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
scale reading?
Good idea. There is a weighing station that I know of off of 287 South, maybe they can have him stop there before the workout
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah we should.
Whats the saying, save the best for last.
Not with the deadline coming up.
You want to leave room for a second visit. Don’t forget both will be in Phila. before the draft, so June 21 may be the last time Nets people will see Favors.
I would say that they will weigh Cousins, and if around 282, he gets another weighing and a return visit.
Place your bets on Cousins weight!
Andres is feeding him spinach.
I have a spinach salad in my fridge.
I'll take a piece of that action...
….292
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 8, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think.....
After the workouts the Nets will be enamored with Favors athletic ability and probably be surprised he actually has some game as well.
I dont think hes a project at all and will play substantial minutes immediately this year for whoever drafts him.
It would be easier to test out Cousins than Favors
To test Favors, you would need to bring in some 250 pound BIGs to cover him – Is Josh Boone around?
To test Cousins, you just have to bring out the Scale from the locker room.
They already know he can play. They just need to see his ability to manage his conditioning.
Are they allowed to fly in Brook? Brook would certainly have an interest.
If they don’t start a fight and Cousins weighs 280, sign him up.
If hes out of shape at 18 prior to the most important time of his NBA life...
What does that say about him? I still dont think hes a good fit for us. Hes not a PF. Hes not athletic enough at that position and neither is Lopez. He beat up on college kids who weighed 50 lbs less than he did. Yes hes got offensive game. But hes out of shape and has a poor attitude. When he did play against other big men (UNC/Conn- not great but had size) he got easily frustrated. Whats gonna happen when Shaq puts him on his butt? When the refs dont give him a call? When he gets all that guaranteed money?
U guys are underestimating Favors talent. Hes a legit PF who I can see being another KG/Amare and will play meaningful mins year 1.
by O Dog on Jun 8, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ummm...
He’s 18. 18!!!!!! and he has not needed to do more than beat up on kids 5olbs. less…
This is Exactly the time in his life I would expect him to not care.
He’s 18.
Yes, there is always a risk whether he eventually will ‘get it.’
But that is true of all these kids save the rare exception.
um thats the exact opposite of how it usually is
right before the draft is when they care the most, then when they sign the contract and get millions they stop caring. if he can even get himself down to 270 after a year at UK and months of working out in preparation for this what hope is there after he makes millions.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Cousins saying he doesn't lift weights AKA workout scares me as well.
Your not going to get him to be a career backup to Brook Lopez at the center position, and don’t even think for a second him and Lopez can play together, Robin Lopez and Brook maybe, but Cousins Heeelllllll Noooooo lol to slow.
Cousins saying he doesn’t lift weights AKA workout scares me as well.
Not the teams, according to Chad Ford.
You don't have to lift weights...weight lifting is not the end all to be all
…but a little bit of running, push ups, sit ups, dips, and leg raises will do him wonders.
Also, as a man, he should have at least attempted to toss up the bar a few times. He’s almost 300 lbs if he couldn’t at least get 185 up once that means his upper body strength is garbage
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 9, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
...Or he didn't have to
Seriously, have you watched Cousins at all this year? If there’s one thing you can’t question, it’s his upper body strength.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 9, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
He's going to have to do what Big Baby did and reshape his body
Big Baby is pretty toned, for a big dude.
Thank God
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Why aren't they working out more people?
Even candidates that aren’t considered for the #3 but are top 10. You know, so if an opportunity for a trade down came up Thorn wouldn’t be sitting there with his thumb up his ..butt… I guess working out 6000 2nd rounders when you have the 31st pick make more sense. Thorn can only handle so much work at his age right.
What about Turner?
My guess is if Thorn is considering Wes Johnson, he would POUNCE on Turner and Rod doesn’t need to see much to be convinced.
Last week Rod said not to expect Turner to drop past Phila. After thinking, my guess is he is trying to warn Nets fans that if you want Turner, you have to pay a nice price. Whether Rod will do that, we won’t know. He wouldn’t want to overpay if he doesn’t have to.
To trade for Turner, Phila. has to wait for Minny to make serious offer, then Ed Stefanski has to approach Thorn. If Thorn goes first, he increases the pricetag. It is much easier trading 1 spot apart.
A lot would depend on the Turner/Iggy situation. They may not be able to exist well together. Not sure how easy it is to move Iggy’s contract.
Also depends on Cousins, who will be working out with Favors before the draft.
If Cousins looks like he can be an impact player like Barkley, then you have to take seriously a trade with Nets, that could bring in Cousins + another player (CLee or CDR), draft pick(s) and cash.
Just Barkley...
We have already realized with your guidance that Cousins is Rodman, Barkley, Zo, KMart and Shaq rolled into one HoF player.
In fact, if the Celtics of the 80s has Cousins they could have done without Bird, McHale and Parrish since Cousins equals the sum of the three guys.
That would be strange. Surely he doesn't want to go to Minny, via trade.
Could he be sending a message that he doesn’t want Phila. to trade him?
Before the draft lottery, he had to have his sights set on Nets.
Not sure why he would be looking forward to playing alongside Iggy, who seems to be a tough guy.
Turner would become leader of the Nets. Can’t see that happening in Phila. as long as Iggy is there.
Maybe Turner just didn’t want a “FULL” workout. He shouldn’t; He doesn’t have to prove much on the court. He already had a nice interview with Rod.
Besides, its so close to Phila.
Perhaps the difficulty with scheduling Turner was a sign that it would be hard for Phila. to pass on him.
If Nets traded with Phila, then Turner would still be the #2 pick in terms of his contract, so that shouldn’t be a reason.
If Sixers take Cousins
this would make it easier to pass on Turner, wouldn’t it?
Any talk about trying to let Wes Johnson fit in at SG, rather than mostly SF?
Addition of Wesley would make free agency go smoothly.
Additions of Wes, Rudy and David would help 3 positions and a 41+ season with more improvement the next year.
TWill/CLee would lose PT. CDR wouldn’t be needed.
I suppose that is the backup plan. Could also get something from Minny if they tried to buy the #3 pick in exchange for $4
Why would you spend the big bucks on Gay if you drafted Wes? It’d make no sense at all.
And no, Johnson can’t play the 2, he is a 3-4, not a 2-3.
Because Gay has better ball handling skills
is only a year older and a much more versatile player.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
also would the fact they're only working out those 3
mean they’re probably not intending on trading down?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
He can't say he would trade #3 pick. That would break any sense Thorn had left.
Any admission that Cousins, Favors and possibly even Johnson weren’t just great for Nets needs, would be showing weakness to the enemy (Phila. and Minny). Ideally, they have to come to Rod begging.
If Cousins, Favors and Johnson all look good in reality, is best situation for offers.
If Johnson was 21 and Turner age 23, then the draft might be viewed differently.
A draft pick named MIKHAIL
You know he’s going to get drafted.
Did anyone see the Chad Ford posting about Metrics, that NetsDaily added above?
We were mentioning this before.
Clearly means that Cousins has to knock himself out of contention with a poor showing of discipline/conditioning.
Cousins ranks #1 in production, Even ahead of Evan.
I wonder if any Mock Drafts will have the courage to move Cousins to the Nets, now that he is their first workout?
Seems like Thorn has to say something about Cousins and Lopez together, before they will do that.
I have always said that Lopez was the main reason the Mocks were putting Cousins behind Favors.
Rod Thorn is too old to understand new age stats
Not lying, btw.
People will regret it if we pick cousins...
he did nothing impressive in college. The only argument against cousins is his weight. COUSINS MUST BE THE PICK. please, rod?
A McBubba can dream..
Wow, if the Nets could end up with Wes Johnson and Mikhail Torrence, and then maybe Craig Brackens in round two, that would be a very nice draft night…
Perhaps not the most popular scenario, but considering their most likely free agent additions (D.Lee, Amare, Khryapa) play the four, it seems to make the most sense..
Torrance and White
Also working out Tuesday were guards Mikhail Torrance (Alabama) and Terrico White (Mississippi), who impressed Nets assistant coach Tom Barrise.
Ive been hyping up both of these players for a couple weeks now.
You wanna build toward the future?
I would love to see DFavors, TWhite and MTorrance with our picks. The young Gs would essentially replace Keyon Dooling and Jarvis Hayes. With DHarris, CLee, TWill, CD-R you have a young, quick, strong, athletic backcourt rotation with good size for a good coach/staff to develop.
We pick up a good big in FA to go along with BLopez. DFavors, Yi and Hump are the bigs off the bench.
Not world beaters but you’re building as the Blazers and Thunder have done. And still keep some cap integrity with Yi, Hump, CD-R in their last contract yrs.
Just my 2 cents.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jun 8, 2010 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
Im assuming you mean
“Not a single SF on the team”
Sure you do. SF is a very flexible position in the NBA. Its not unheard of in the league to have your bog guards play this position becuase your “true SFs” suck.
TWill- plays SF aka point forward
CDR- plays 2 and 3
CLee- can play it spots.
I personally don’t like any of the SF prospects that late in the draft.
Stanley Robinson? meh
Gani Lawal? ugh
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jun 9, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
oh wait..
TWill is a G/F…swingman….meaning he can play SF.
CDR is a G/F…again, a swingman…meaning he can play SF.
CLee is a G/F…and guess what?
: )
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jun 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Gani Lawal is definitely not a small forward
He’s a PF/big, plain and simple.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 9, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Can they play SF?
And my reaosn for bringing up Gani wasn’t because he was a SF. But because he was one of the guys we are projected on taking late in the 1st rd. Basically I would rather take a good G or GF than take a bad SF or PF jst because of need.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jun 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Im having a BIG feeling that where going to pull a Boston Celtics Trades on Draft Night i think were going to trade for Chris Paul and Okafor or West and then Probably go and trade for another veteran or star
this is just a feeling so it might not come true but its fine if it doesnt but let me tell you IF i turn on that TV at 730 or whatever time the draft is and 15 mins later theres BREAKING NEWS the nets trade for Chris Paul alot of nets fans are going to go CRAZY (the good crazy not the bad crazy)
The bad crazy…i rather keep the third pick and take my chances
by Andy. on Jun 8, 2010 11:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe we don’t have to give up our #3 but instead our first round picks in 2011 and 2013 or #27+2011+humph+Yi+CDR for CP3+Okafor or David West.
by jasperjarrod on Jun 9, 2010 7:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Thorn is working out
Cousins and Favors, it means that he reads this site. Especially my criticisms of him.
I dont think Thorn knows how to use the internet
They bring him CDR tweets in newspaper form.
Dominique Jones, Craig Brackins, Quincy Pondexter, Jerome Jordan, and maybe Daniel Orton are all players that serious contenders at our later picks. In my opinion we should acquire an additional pick, and grab the first three all of whom the Nets like and have brought to my attention. My personal favorite is Dominique Jones, possible replacement for Dooling, who appears to be an excellent player
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