We Are The World
by Net Income on Jun 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT
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PrintThe Nets as the World's Team. That's basically Mikhail Prokhorov's pitch...and there's every indication free agents are listening. Al Iannazzone reports LeBron James is most interested in meeting the new owner, quoting "someone close to the situation" as saying, "LeBron really wants to meet Prokhorov and see what he's about. He's really interested in meeting him."
No disrespect to Rod Thorn or Jay-Z, but it's Prokhorov who's the big draw, say sources talking to both Iannazzone and Fred Kerber.
Iannazzone adds quotes that'll cause Nets fans' hearts to palpitate, but cautions things will change...daily. "He's coming to New Jersey," Iannazzone quotes "someone close to James". He also quotes "multiple NBA sources" as saying the Nets have as good a shot as Chicago.
Alan Hahn of Newsday reports Sunday that although "the Chicago Bulls have been promoted by several national media outlets as the most likely destination for James, several NBA insiders believe the Nets may be emerging late as front-runners in the LeBron Sweepstakes."
- LeBron James eager to hear Prokhorov's pitch from Nets - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Nets' hopes of landing James rest with Prokhorov - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Recruitment of LeBron James tops on departing Nets president Rod Thorn's to-do list - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- NBA Draft winners and losers - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- Newark is an opportunity for LeBron James, not a deal breaker - Steve Politi - Star-Ledger
- Newark set to become tourism mecca - Philip Read - Star-Ledger
- Knicks, Nets begin competition for LeBron on Thursday - Alan Hahn - New York Newsday
- James Not Planning Visits; Bulls Are Said to Move to Front in Chase to Land Him - Jonathan Abrams - New York Times
- Rev Up the Yacht - It’s N.B.A. Free-Agent Season - Ken Belson - New York Times
- Walsh, D'Antoni, Houston will meet with LeBron July 1 - Frank Isola - New York Daily News
- LeBron's keeping his distance from Knicks - Cormac Gordon - Staten Island Advance
- Now the moment we've all been waiting for - Shaun Powell - NBA.com
- Free agents by the numbers: Alpha males, floor generals - John Schuhmann - NBA.com
- For LeBron James' free-agent decision, the only voice that truly matters is his own - Brian Windhorst - Cleveland Plain-Dealer
- Time is running out for a winning pitch to keep LeBron with Cleveland Cavaliers - Terry Pluto - Cleveland Plain-Dealer
- Two keys may keep LeBron in town - Jason Lloyd - Akron Beacon-Journal
- Chicago most likely destination for Lebron James - John Jackson - Chicago Sun-Times
- Bulls give James the best chance to win - Mike McGraw - Chicago Daily Herald
- King James Holds Court Like a True Royal - Tom Ziller - FanHouse
- D-Wade, Chris Bosh prep for free agency tour; LeBron staying home - DIME
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Not only did it make my heart palpitate
But it gave me goose bumps,
by Andy. on Jun 26, 2010 11:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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not to kill this whole “sources close to james said he’s comin to jersey” thing but does anyone here think this might be blown outta preportion
by armenianNetsfan on Jun 27, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It holds just as much weight
As the story saying it’s pretty much a done deal that he’s going to Chicago.
I still really think it’s either the Nets or the Cavs. Nobody else.
I think
You have to add the Bulls, but I think we are high on the list because everything is new here no shadows to play under, as well as a good core, and rich owner.
Im starting to think how can the bulls offer what Lebron is looking for
all they got is winning
Chicago is not going to offer him the billionaire athlete
Chicago is not going to offer him becoming a global athlete
Chicago is not going to offer him becoming the greatest basketball player in nba history because of MJ
by Wall2KingJames on Jun 27, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
huh
how would MJ prevent him being the greatest player in NBA history if he played in Chicago? MJ isn’t going to cease to exist if he plays here. And how does Chicago not offer a billionaire/global athlete? They’re still a major market, and MJ became a global athlete playing there.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
James will tell Prokhorov very simple, Get Paul and have cap room 2 max players.
Meaning we must trade for Paul (& only Paul) & also get rid of the salaries of Harris, & 2 of Yi, Humphries or Favors.
I don't know if he really wants Paul
Paul needs the ball in his hands more than James, I don’t see that working out. T-Will is a good enough compliment for him along with Harris. Lebron remember the game T-Will had against the Cavs I’m sure of this.
What Lebron needs
are finishers (Harris), shooters (Lee, Yi), skilled big men (Brook), and players that can play defense (Damion James, Favors, Lee).
Yeah I think Yi is gone tho
He’s to soft to play with Lebron the second he mishandles a pass or gets the rebound grabbed by a guard, Lebron would want him on the bench. But we need him traded for cap space anyway, we can get Korver, reddick etc in free agency.
Agreed
But as much as I hate Yi, if Lebron comes and he’s still on the roster it wouldn’t be terrible. Well…maybe?
i honestly think
that in our efforts to get Lebron (which also prob means getting another max player) that yi’s contract is just tooooo heavy. i dont see yi playing with lebron
what do u mean?
Yi is going to get Lebron SOOOOO many Chinese all-star votes [joking]
The Chinese market is HUGE, actually. Part of the Billionaire of the World plan. [not joking].
That Lebron MIGHT care about any of these things, frightening.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Lebron do care about these things.
The world’s team starts first and foremost with Yi, the Chinese sensation.
No matter how bad he plays, he’s gonna start and make the Nets a popular franchise along with Lebron.
The superstar can’t take the world without Yi!
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
well if he wants a robin like Bosh
he better decide which is more important.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
hmmm...
To become a global icon and the first billionaire player or to become a winner, have multiple rings and build a dinasty?
That’s a tough one for the King.
I’m being sarcastic!
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
if it's the former
then he can go to chicago or whoever else wants to deal with his diva behavior.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
100% correct
i cant believe im going to say this but we would need to keep Yi for the marketing and for lebron and china
Now i was thinking if we can get rid of Humps are cap would go to 27-28 to 30-31
to thats almost good for a max and 14-15 million per
So is there any chance we can get a Dirk who is 32 and has no ring willing to come to jersey with lebron and take less tehn the max 14-15 million
If that would happen the global vision would be great for the nets and lebron in the US of course Germany CHina and Russia
by Wall2KingJames on Jun 27, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
this
Kobe is bigger than Lebron, what Chinese player is he playing with?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Kobe is popular among baketball fans all over the world...
probably as much as Michael Jordan but, being a global icon means serving as a role model for people all around the world, from many generations, and influence their lives, no matter what sports they like.
I don’t think Kobe has ever achieved that!
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Kobe is bigger in China than Jordan ever was
He has made concerted efforts to market there. From a year ago, Wall Street Journal:
But it is also a reflection of a deliberate campaign by Mr. Bryant to make inroads in the world’s most-populous country. In addition to his frequent visits to China (a planned trip in late July will be his fourth in as many years) and his considerable work on behalf of sponsor Nike, he’s assuming another identity: philanthropist.
In an attempt to tap into the Chinese government’s growing interest in promoting charity, Mr. Bryant is establishing the Kobe Bryant China Fund. The organization will partner with the Soong Ching Ling Foundation, a charity backed by the Chinese government, to raise money within China earmarked for education and health programs. Mr. Bryant’s existing fund, the Kobe Bryant Family Foundation, will also work to strengthen ties between the two countries by teaching middle-school students in the U.S. about Chinese language and culture. Mr. Bryant declined to say how much he is donating to the fund.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204556804574258222289862830.html
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
im not doubting it would help the cause
but i am doubting that we are able to have them both. since lebron wants to bring another superstar, i think yi’s contract is something that has to go, you know?
Yi + Hump + GS pick + a couple of second rounders for Bosh S&T
Would be tough for any of the other contenders to match this package. Expiring in Yi and Hump, tantalizing potential and marketing power for a small market in Yi, ever hopeful future in multiple picks. We lose nothing and in fact regain some cap space.
Also….why do people keep saying that Max contracts are giving up $30 million to sign with a new team. Lebron can get $127 over six years in Cleveland or $97 million over 5 years with the NETS. Short of a major career ending injury, Lebron is going to get a big payday in his 6th year with the NETS. In fact he is more likely to take a 3 or 4 year early buyout. Either way the net diffference after 6 years is alot less than $30 miln and may be close to zero. Would be different for someone on his last big contract like Amare, but not for LeBron.
well the second contract
can only be a1 75% increase over the value of the last year of the previous contract. 175% of the last year. And a 175% increase over the value of the last year of an 127 million dollar contract would probably be a lot bigger than the last year of a 97 million dollar contract.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
When a player's salary is over the max...
… next year’s salary is limited to 105% of the salary in the last year of his previous contract. The upper bound is covered here in Article II, Section 7 of the CBA:
(iii)
for any player who has completed ten (10) or more Years of Service, the
greater of (x) 35% of the Salary Cap in effect at the time the Contract is
executed, (y) 105% of the Salary for the final Season of the player’s prior
Contract, or (z) $14 million.
Nice description of tis rule as applied to Shaq here
not if he's resigning with his current team
Larry Bird exception
Perhaps the most well-known of the NBA’s salary cap exceptions, it is so named because the Boston Celtics were the first team permitted to exceed the salary cap to re-sign one of their own players (in that case, Larry Bird). Free agents who qualify for this exception are called “qualifying veteran free agents” or “Bird Free Agents” in the CBA, and this exception falls under the auspices of the Veteran Free Agent exception. In essence, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain “Bird rights” by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. Bird-exception contracts can be up to six years in length.
[edit]Early Bird exception
This is the lesser form of the Larry Bird Exception. Free agents who qualify for this exception are called “early qualifying veteran free agents,” and qualify after playing two seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. Using this exception, a team can re-sign its own free agent for either 175% of his salary the previous season, or the NBA’s average salary, whichever is greater. Early Bird contracts must be for at least two seasons, but can last no longer than five seasons. If a team agrees to a trade that would make a player lose his Early Bird Rights, he has the power to veto the trade.
A much-publicized example for this was Devean George, who vetoed his inclusion into a larger trade during the 2007-08 season that would have sent him from the Dallas Mavericks to the New Jersey Nets.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Nope...
… the actual language from the CBA defining early qualifying veteran compensation sets Article II Section 7 as the maximum salary:
Article VII Section 6
…(3) (i) If the player is an Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent, the new Player Contract must cover at least two (2) Seasons (not including a Season covered by an Option Year) and, subject to Article II, Section 7, may provide in the first Salary Cap Year up to the greater of: (A) 175% of the Regular Salary for the final Salary Cap Year covered by his prior Contract, plus 175% of any Likely Bonuses and Unlikely Bonuses, respectively, called for in the final Salary Cap Year covered by the player’s prior Contract, or (B) Salary plus Unlikely Bonuses totaling 108% of the Average Player Salary for the prior Salary Cap Year (or if the Audit Report for the prior Salary Cap Year has not been completed, 108% of the Average Player Salary for the prior Salary Cap Year as computed by substituting Estimated Total Salaries (as defined in Article VII, Section 1(i)) for Total Salaries).
um what
isn’t this
may provide in the first Salary Cap Year up to the greater of: (A) 175% of the Regular Salary for the final Salary Cap Year covered by his prior Contract,
exactly what I just said? We can’t offer him greater than 105% or 35% of the cap, whichever is bigger, but his current team can with bird rights.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
May have been ...
…what you said, but your interpretation is not correct. The 175% cannot exceed the amounts set forth in Article II Section 7.
You initially argued
well the second contract can only be a 175% increase over the value of the last year of the previous contract. 175% of the last year. And a 175% increase over the value of the last year of an 127 million dollar contract would probably be a lot bigger than the last year of a 97 million dollar contract
If James signs a 6 year deal with the Cavs (whether he stays or its a S&T), his base year salary would be $16.83M (assuming a $56.1M cap). After 5 years of 10.5% increases, his 6th year salary would be $25.66M. Unless the team salary cap rises beyond $73.3M, his current team could offer no more than a 5% raise over that $25.66M ($26.94M) for his next contract. That plays out exactly the same way it did for Shaq in the Coon’s CBA FAQ link that I posted earlier.
In the case of Lebron signing a 5 year deal with 8% raises, you get the same starting point ($16.83M), a 5th year salary of $22.22M, and his team could offer no more $23.32M for the next season unless the cap exceeded $66.6M
That's not true
if he signs with the cavs or with us or the cavs the first year he can get a first year salary of 17.1 million, that’s an 105% increase over the value of his last year.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I'll try to make this clear...
… Bird rights don’t allow a team to sign a player to more than the maximum salary allowed under the current CBA. They allow a team to offer a contract up to a prescribed maximum to a player previously under contract to the team, even if the team doesn’t have the cap space to do so. The Nets, the Bulls, the Knicks, the Heat all have enough cap space to offer a max deal to Lebron. The Cavs don’t have the cap space, but are allowed offer the same maximum salary (with slightly better terms) because they have Bird rights. No team can offer a starting salary in excess of the maximum salary as set forth in Article II Section 7.
and since you keep jumping between the contract that Lebron signs this summer and the next contract he will sign in 5 or 6 years:
for any player who has completed at least seven (7) but fewer than ten (10) Years of Service, the greater of (x) 30% of the Salary Cap in effect at the time the Contract is executed, (y) 105% of the Salary for the final Season of the player’s prior Contract, or (z) $11 million
For this summer, given Lebron made $15,779,912 last year. and a team salary cap figure for 2010-11 estimated at $56.1M, the maximum base year salary for Lebron’s next contract is the greater of:
(x) 30% of the team cap figure, or $16.83M
(y) 105% of his salary in the last year of his previous contract, or $16.57M
(z) $11M
In 5 or 6 years, Lebron’s salary will be in the low to mid 20Ms, as noted earlier in this discussion. At that time, unless team salaries make a significant increase (or the rules change under a new CBA), Lebron’s maximum will be limited to 5% increases (105% of $1 is $1.05, not $2.05) over the final annual salary of his prior contract.
Correct me if I'm wrong
If he makes $127 over 6 with the Cavs or $97 over 5 with the Nets, assuming he could make $16 mil in the 6th year (the 1st year on a reup) to make the total $113, for the $14 mil difference over 6 six years, are we talking about 2.33 mil a year? Thats not taking into account an ETO which could reduce the difference.
huh where are you getting 16 million in the last year
regardless of who he signs with he’s going to get 17.1 million the first year, then the cavs can give 10% raises, and we can give 8%. How are you getting 16 million in the last year?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
what we really need
is shooters. Maybe if GS’s has a file sale we can steal morrow.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
or swap Yi and Hump for Turk's awful contract?
or pay for miller.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Hmmm
Yi and Hump for Turk, if we ass draft picks I think that could work. Yeah I love Mike Miller because he’s athletic as well, or used to be I remember him catching alley ops with T-mac in Orlando.
well Yi and Hump are both expiring
so would we even need to include picks? Just getting rid of the contract should be reason enough for them to do it I would think.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I don't see why giving Yi and Hump for Turk would be good
He’s no good now, he’s not gonna improve any time soon. He’s got a bad contract that goes on for a couple more years as opposed to expiring next year like Yi and Hump’s contracts. If we want a shooter we can get one far far cheaper, and probably even better than him.
i personally want for Yi to stay for the year as a backup PF.
maybe that’s his real role, off the bench, offense in spurts.
He won't be able to play with
Lebron to soft, he would chew him out and want him on the bench, after the he drops his first pass.
The pieces are in place
Now I know I’m a Nets fan so my opinion is biased, but just looking at the situation its hard for me to see why Lebron wouldn’t want to come to the Nets. We have a) perhaps the most appealing owner in sports both in terms of money and charisma, b) young, solid players at PG, PF, and C with quality young role players off the bench, c) a great coaching staff led by Avery Johnson and Mitchell, d) a move to new cities that Lebron could make his own, and one happens to be Brooklyn, the heart of basketball, and e) cap space to sign one other star free agent of his choice.
I see what Chicago has to offer, and to some degree, what Miami has to offer. But the drawbacks for those 2 destinations are far worse than those of the Nets. The biggest drawback of the Nets imo is their location, but Newark and Brooklyn are right by New York City and Lebron can take over these cities and make it his own. Some may also argue the poor record, but everyone knows this team has a lot of young talent and that the team was plagued by instability in the front office last year along with some bad luck.
The drawbacks for Chicago is that Chicago was, is, and will always be Jordan’s city. Lebron may be able to lease the city for 5 years, but Jordan owns that city. Miami already has DWade, and they will not just push Dwade to teh side for Lebron.
by twill5 on Jun 27, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well we definitely have the owner advantage over anyone, I think that one is a given for us already
In terms of roster, I think the Clippers have the best roster to offer with number 1 pick Blake Griffin and allstar center Chris Kaman as his frontline, with former allstar Baron Davis and promising rookie Eric Blesdoe as his point guards and pretty good player Eric Gordon at the 2. However, you can’t possibly want to play under Donald Sterling, so I give them no shot at all. This is a guy who thinks black people stink and didn’t want to pay a guy 1000 dollars for a contest.
http://www.theknicksblog.com/2010/06/26/public-outcry-in-brooklyn-over-nets-owner/
Knicks fans are doing whatever they can to console themselves…LOL
LMAO
hahahaha smh thats from like March lol…..Wow its starting to hit them I need to definitely check out some other Knick blogs.
OMG...
those guys are nervous and HATERS!!! I just posted something on there.,.. Some of the things they are saying are so transparent, its hysterical… All of a sudden they all HATE Jay-Z and want to preserve Brooklyn, its comical…
Nice post, NJN13 at Knicks fans!
…why didn’t you tell them how you really feel? Yikes, you stuck in and twisted it good. But did you see what they said about your momma? That was really lame, using and NFL reference on a BBall board.
But those Knicks fans sure do type neatly and their spelling and such has this board all beat to hell. I guess no iPhones.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jun 27, 2010 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions
pathetic
I cannot wait to steamroll these clowns into basketball oblivion. This has been a long time coming.
Most of the Knicks fans talking crap will be bandwagon Nets fans by 2015. Book it.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone please send this mail to LeBron
Brook Lopez / Josh Boone
Chris Bosh / Derrick Favors
LeBron James / Terrence Williams
Courtney Lee / Damion James
Devin Harris / {…}
tell him this roster will destroy Lakers next season.
Go Nets Go
Not that I want them but...
Didn’t T-Mac say he’d sign onto whatever team comes out stacked for the vets minimum? Shaq too
You think Prokly will buy Lebron a Gulfstream as an incentive sign on bonus?
That’s like 60 Mil.
Who else can offer that?
Plus, he’ll get a discount since on his next purchase since he has one already.
I think NBA won't allow
the team and the player make an agreement under the table… LOL
timberwolves were punished about that, right?
by Jarkid Shen on Jun 27, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
IMO there ate only three teams in the race for lebron…ranked:
1.Cleveland
2.New Jersey
3.Chicago
If he leaves Cleveland will he be called a quitter? If he chooses bulls he will be compared to MJ. Nets have the most talent of the three, you can make a case for Chicago because Rose is that good.
by Andy. on Jun 27, 2010 12:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Talent and Success are different
We have talent, but we haven’t had success yet
Are you a Nets Fan?
I understand im a nets fan but IMO its not even Debatable
The Rose Thing Kills it but other then him they got nobody that they is a laughing stock without Rose
Rose/Noah/GIbson/Johnson/and i dont think they have nobody else
or
Harris/Lopez/Favors/Lee/Williams/James i would love to put Yi because hes a nice role player but i know bull fans would say Yi shouldnt even be in this discussion
so my player look at that who would u take?
and if you want to make it easier
lets take out there best player (rose) and our best (lopez)
Harris/Lee/Williams/James/Favors
or
Noah/Gibson/Johnson
now who has the most talent?
people overrated Noah so bad its not even funny all they got is Rose whats so good about Noah gibson and Johnson like some net fan said that i read favors can probably put up the same numbers noah put up last yr with the nets in his rookie season
by Wall2KingJames on Jun 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
they still have Deng don't they?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
THIS is why Lebron would want to be a Net
He’s said over and over he wants to be a global brand. He comes to the nets, he is on billboards all over Europe.
SMH Fanhouse
“And say what you will, but LeBron is the closest thing we’ve had to real royalty in the NBA in more than a decade.”
Kobe Bryant has five rings
and doesn’t ask teams to audition for him.
It’s appalling.
by Net Income on Jun 27, 2010 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
most of his were related to wanting to win
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Do we need him?
We have James on the team already. I think one James is enough :) Bring Gay in!
by jasperjarrod on Jun 27, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
He's JUST as much a diva
Demanding that trade as a rookie set him in stone as a primadonna.
At least James put all these years towards his HOME town. Kobe can’t say the same.
for some reason i dont like lebron anymore.
all this drama, teams begging for him to come over and control everything in the organization…
i’d rather he goes elsewhere and have our team beat his for the championship in five years
by Fr@nkl1n on Jun 27, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hear you....
but, come on man, he is one of the most, if not THE most special players in the W-O-R-L-D, we have to throw the hat in the ring!!
ugh i know! it’s just that i hate all this friggin EGO!!
the nets have been mediocre for so long, but now we have the pieces to start rebuilding. Lopez is young, we just got a PF in Favors, Harris is kinda young still, and we got loads of picks in the coming years…
man, i wish we had kevin durant!
I think everything that was done on draft night...
may indicate that the Nets are not so high on acquiring Lebron anymore, I don’t know I expected them to be more aggressive trying to dump their entire roster.
Rebuilding through the draft is the best thing to do.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
"But the Nets are putting everything into James, who would make them a championship contender for years."
- Al Iannazzone
I agree with Al
same here
the free agent tour basically ended it for me. Even though it’s not happening the fact that it almost did bothers me.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
bothers me horribly.
And the only reason why it didn’t happen is that Nike took all kinds of public pulse readings and marketing polls and realized it was producing bad press.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to get him just so other teams can't have him,,,
,,,then play him off the bench behind Twill LOL!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jun 27, 2010 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+ a million
Never wanted him here. Let’s win without just buying the best talent (if not champion) in the league. Besides, he seems more interested in being a billionaire supercelebrity than winning NBA titles.
I don’t want to have to root for him with his arrogance, stupid sideline act, ego that’s bigger than it should be for having never won a championship.
by NetsJetsFan on Jun 27, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Net Income
you are a basketball guru, you should go along with the Nets front office to meet LeBron, and that will increase our chance about 50% to get LeBron.
If one of our creative artists can create some LeBron + Proky images, and get them viral, then LeBron would find out and start dreaming.
Rember that photo of Proky sitting in his huge office with the hot chick walking out?
Can someone place LeBron in the office, having a beer, and looking towards the woman?
Or LeBron on JetSkiis along with Proky, with his Yacht in the background?
Or LeBron walking into his Jetstream, along with Jay-Z as 50 reporters look on?
Or LeBron in Moscov as crowds line the streets?
Some one get to work.
Shouldn't it say Brooklyn "Bangers"
Kickin’ it Old School. OG. LOL
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Joe Dumars mentioned as a Thorn replacement? Interesting.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
If by interesting you mean terrifying
He could lock us into mediocrity with crap draft picks and lousy free agent signings.
Yeah. Detroit is doing great right now.
Wonder why he wants out.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I forgot
Dumars would be joining a team loaded with potential HOF talent. When Lebron and Bosh come that will make 4 of them. Nice.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the Nets. I’m just sober about what is necessary for them to have a chance at real success.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
if by terrifying
you mean tragilarious
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jun 27, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This guy drafted Darko over Anthony and crippled detroit with some bad deals
no.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I WANT TO BELIEVE
that the NETS are giving him every indication, that with the pick up of Favors and for sure will sign a FA PF, he will be 3rd or even 4th on the depth chart, and this might be the best time for him to get a solid contract elsewhere, since he played well for us after coming from Dallas… If he sits at the end of the bench, he stands to make close to ZERO next year when he becomes a FA… Call be crazy or evil, but that is what I would be telling his agents if I’m the NETS…
by NJNETS13 on Jun 27, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thorn seems to have fear that something could go wrong in attempts to get Bosh, Boozer, DLee, so Hump is insurance.
Besides, Hump plays a physical role and could be needed to pick up necessary fouls.
After trading Yi, re-negotiating his contract to 2.5 million range for 3 years (with 1 million buyout in year 3) would guarantee him 6 million and make him pretty easy to trade if necessary.
Any team needs 5 players for the 4/5 position. After trading Yi, it might be only Lopez, Favors, Hump, FA(DLee?). Still need a backup Center and maybe a shooting combo forward – like Victor K or Ryan Anderson.
Dude....
You are infatuated with Cousins and DLee, just STOP!! DLee plays NO D, why do you want him? And to think that Thorn wants to renegotiate HUMP’s deal to save a million dollas is foolish!! He would much rather dump it, believe me!!
by NJNETS13 on Jun 27, 2010 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Read Posting policy.
No malicious attacking of fellow posters.
I am not going to put up with this much longer. This is about 35 times now you have gotten personal.
Attacking you?
I am simply sharing my opinion regarding statements, just because my argument is always proving yours incorrect, that doesn’t make it malicious… Its about proving you to use more logic and, perhaps start basing your statements on a thread of fact, because posting something that you don’t have any real insight to make such statements…
by NJNETS13 on Jun 27, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just need to trade Yi and and save 4 million and renegotiate Humps contract and save about $750,000.
That would get cap around 32.5 million, enough for LeBron and Boozer easily, or LeBron + DLee with about 4.5 million left to get another decent FA looking for a championship – (that 3rd player could be Ray Allen, who would take a discount to play with LeBron).
Given a choice, would you want Bosh or Boozer or (DLee + Ray Allen)? I prefer the latter and I think LeBron might too.
As soon as you sign a player using cap space, you lose the MLE. That being said, while Humphries will lose money this year by opting out, long term he’d lose even more money by not opting out. Plus, who wants to be a free agent during the potential lockout? It makes a lot of sense for him to opt out
Once team cap space exceeds...
… the sum of all exceptions and cap holds (both for unrenounced FAs and empty roster), the team loses the exceptions.
The Knicks fans are gonna be sooo depressed after all of this
I know others have written about how ESPN seems to never consider the Knicks as a possibility for Lebron. I guess this just provides more proof about their anti-Knick sentiment.
I mean I cannot believe New Jersey would have a better chance than us. Someone at ESPN hates the Knicks I guess.
New Jersey has a better roster than us, but their fans and current location have to be the deal breaker. In theory, New Jersey can look like Devin Harris/Joe Johnson/LeBron/Derrick Favors/Brook Lopez next season (assuming Joe Johnson signs for 10-11 mil with raises). We could look like Douglas/Fernandez/LeBron/Gallo/Bosh, which may or may not be better than Jersey with LeBron and Johnson.
that’s a good point about the fans and I think if Lebron ends up in NY the fanbase will have something to do with it. Even with the season being a disaster right from the start the Knicks were 8th in attendance with 98.7% of their tickets sold for their 41 home games. They were the only team below .500 in the top thirteen and one of only two teams without 50 wins in the top 13(the Bulls being the other at 99.1%). On top of that, the Knicks have not been outside of the top 10 in attendance in any of the last 10 seasons. That’s a point I’d be hammering home to Lebron if I were Donnie Walsh, a guaranteed packed house full of long suffering and devoted fans desperate for a hero to worship for eternity has to seem better than being the guy who came after Michael Jordan, playing to a bunch of fairweather NJ fans or sharing the spotlight with Dwyane Wade.
by muwu on Jun 27, 2010 1:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
lol i love that the like 20 mile difference in location
is the “deal breaker”
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Why should the Knicks complain?
There is hope they could pick up Gilbert Arenas for just more draft picks, to be their point guard and maybe a max deal for Boozer to be their Center+PF.
I would love for them to do that
Go back to the old Isiah Thomas ways, collecting as many huge contracts and get as far over the cap as possible
Finally there will be revenge for Dr. J
Finally.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we get the good Doctor back on our side?
I think he is a 76er representative – but it would be great if he rejoined the NETS in some capacity. Even better if we went back to the old school unis with the stars. Awesome if we can finish it off with team fros. NI had a great photo a couple of weeks ago that captured it all.
It was the Knicks that took Dr. J. away from us
Deeply changing the course of Net history in the NBA. It is fitting that we take Lebron from the Knicks. More than fitting.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
What worries me about Thorn is whether he is doing the best job these weeks, if there are problems communicating with Proky?
Why arbitrarily retire on July 15 as the roster may not be up to 13 or 14 players until September?
I am most concerned how Thorn hasn’t used any of Proky’s money on draft night, to at least get a 2nd round pick (the #31 pick ended up being traded) and no money was used in trading CDR?
I thought Nets learned their lesson from last year, about the importance of having some money for draft night.
And in his interview, Thorn sounded pessimistic about getting a restricted free agent (eg. Scola and RGay).
I thought the front loaded plan would take advantage of Proky’s deep pockets?
Can we trust Rod, at this time, to take advantage of all options available?
I wouldn’t mind Jerry West, because at least is his friends with Rod.
I'm not really as hot about Jerry West when there are a lot of other shinier execs out there
Let’s not forget this is the guy that trade Pau Gasol, one of the best big men in the league, for what eventually amounted to Marc Gasol, Darrell Arthur, and Greivis Vasquez. Like Simmons said
So if you’re scoring at home, Memphis ended up with Marc Gasol, Darrell Arthur and Vasquez for the second-best center in basketball and someone who helped the Lakers to three straight Finals and two titles.
Of you???
Yeah, you got me pegged…. HAHAHA!!
Read posting policy
Malicious attacking of fellow posters won’t be allowed.
Others are having fun in friendly back and forth.
With all dure respect
there is nothing fun about reading the same posts over and over again recycled in a different way Jerry… Its old it takes up a lot of space on the board, it brings nothing new or fresh to discuss. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I get the sense that I do when I say, duly noted, let’s move on… We all know you love Cousins, how you feel about Favors, how you now justify favors, because clearly you take things that are said in context, and put them in your own box of context in how you precieve them, as if you have some inside information, we know how you feel about CLee, and the guy can’t play a lick of Defense by the way, we also know how you feel about Jerry West, which has already be addressed by me and a number of other posters on the board…
So, its not about being malicious Jerry, its about respecting everyone else opinions, and not trying to overpower everyone with your, which for the most part have no merit to begin with.
I hope you can see the difference.
by NJNETS13 on Jun 27, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are in violation of posting policy by singling out a poster and continued attacks.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Unlike you, I don’t respond maliciously to any single poster.
Just because you don’t think you are being malicious, doesn’t make you correct.
I find you as being malicious with an intent that you admit is to alter how someone posts and that is against policy.
How long have you been posting here? I have been posting regularly for around 2 years and on other forums before. It has only been about 2 months since I first noticed your remarks.
Maybe you are the one who should “go away” with your own opinions.
If you don’t like my remarks, you are entitled to ignore them unless you are afraid that my logical remarks will persuade people against your own opinions.
I ignore you as much as possible. You should do the same.
well
…the main pieces should be in place by that time. Fleshing out the rest of the roster will be a piece of cake compared to what has to be done between now and the 1st.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Some more from last month
You have to like the fact that the Nets ended up with the third pick instead of the first. Hopefully that makes them less attractive to King James.
I wouldn’t mind having Kiki back in NY, on Walsh’s staff. If memory serves, he did nothing wrong in NJ except follow orders to slash payroll and he left Denver on his own terms after doing a decent job. I’m prob. forgetting some huge gaffe that someone here will remind me of.
(Please, be our guest!)
I just read that the new russian owner of the Nets first looked into buying the Knicks but decided against it because of all the other parts he wouldve had to buy besides the Knicks (Rangers, MSG etc). 6 months later he started the process of looking into and eventually buying the Nets.
Can you imagine if this guy wouldve been able to buy the Knicks?
(Woohoo!)
"Can you imagine if this guy wouldve been able to buy the Knicks?"
We’d have to spell it "LEBЯON"? Anyone else buying the Knicks would be an improvement, no?
(Suuure)
One thing about Prokhorov – maybe I’m naive but I can’t imagine his buying the team really globalizes anything for the Nets. I was listening to Mike and Mike yesterday and they were talking about kids in Russia and Europe now becoming Net fans because of him, much the way that a lot of Japanese people are now Yankee or Mariner fans because of Matsui and Ichiro. The difference is that Matsui and Ichiro are PLAYERS. Who watches a team because of the OWNER? The owner is faceless as far as the product is concerned. The Glazers own Manchester United, one of the great franchises in the world, and still no one in the US gives a damn about soccer. I guess he can get them on TV in Russia but I sort of assume the NBA’s already on TV over there.
by muwu on Jun 27, 2010 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
please stop posting excerpts from their idiocy
Knicks fans make my blood boil. Mouth breathing, arrogant trash that have no respect for our franchise even though we owned them in the last decade and we will pick up where we left off.
I remember how badly they cried when Jason Collins put the hammer to Tim Thomas in the playoffs. We need to get back to that.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone watched NBATV headline news?
They were showing that Nets traded CDR to Bucks for 2010 second round pick.
I was hoping that it really was for 2010 instead of 2012 pick.
Apparently someone at NBATV couldn’t believe it was for 2012 pick, as CDR is much better than that.
I'm still hoping that somehow Tiny Gallon will be a Net.
After all, Bucks drafted him in 2nd round and Nets wanted him (worked out 2x).
I was hopeful that there was some clause that would allow the Nets to change the terms.
Prokhorov will bring LeBron what he wants...
Money, women, and championships
I like the order you put those in
probably pretty accurate for Lebron.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Its about time we get the Nets effective cap space correct:
I am not sure what the cap hold $ is, but I think it is about $484 since CDR’s departure saved the Nets only $370,000 ($854,000-484,000=$370,000). With 8 Nets now and 2 anticipated FAs, that leaves 2 cap holds (since cap holds disappear once free agents sign).
Using the best figure for the Cap at 56.1 million (will be out July 1), I get:
56.1 – (22.21 (salaries of 6 Nets under contract including Hump #) + 4.27 (#3+#24 picks *) + 0.5 (buyout Dooling) + .968 (for 2 cap holds) =
56.1 – 27.95 = $28.15 million cap space.
.# http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm
.* http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9301
The media has been using the figure 27.2 million, not the above figure of 28.15 million. I assumed bonuses were delayed and there is no need to count cap holds for players that will be signed in free agency.
If 28.15 million is correct then adding 4.05 million for Yi gives 32.2 million and renegotiating Hump could make that very close to 33 million, which is enough for LeBron (33-16.67 = 16.33 left) and Bosh.
Can we please trade YI and get the whole sports world fearful of Nets?
Gotta add back a cap hold...
… if you trade Yi for future considerations.
And if Humphries opts in, there’s no contract restructuring in the NBA under the current CBA. Nets would have to trade him for future considerations (and add back a cap hold), or agree to a buyout (buyout amount counts against the cap, along with the cap hold)- and he’s got the all the leverage in that case. Nets can’t force him to take a buyout less than guaranteed amount for next season.
If he’s open to renegotiation, he’ll opt out.
On July 8
Why can’t Nets trade his contract and $3 million in cash to one of the 15 teams under the cap for a draft pick or the right to swap picks?
July 1 is not the issue for him. July 8 is.
for the same reason we wouldn't take Beasley?
all the teams under the cap want to maximize their space to go after FA’s?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Doesn't using Yi and Hump in a sign and trade solve all this
Value to taker (Toronto or Cleveland) – expiring, some upside with Yi, Yi marketing story, etc.
Can't trade Hump now.
And why would Bosh agree at this time anyway?
It makes MUCH more sense just to trade Yi now. It may not be necessary to worry about Hump. Getting rid of Yi is enough to sign Boozer.
Trading Hump may ONLY be necessary if LeBron insists on Bosh. At THAT time Hump could be included in a S&T as it would be best for all parties.
it makes way more sense to wait to sign and trade for Bosh
than to go out and sign Boozer
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
this
If James agrees to come as long as we can get Bosh in there, it’s worth waiting.
Boozer can go rob another team for money.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
Not sure about that. A sign and trade with Bosh would be super max, while you could get Boozer at less than max. if the lock out comes in 2011 having a super max contract could really really constrict the future of a team. Given that Bosh is not HOF (in my mind), even though he is much better than Boozer, don’t know if he is worth the whole hog.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 27, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree that we would have to subtract 1 cap hold for trading Yi (about $484).
Not sure about renegotiating Hump’s contract, with his approval, of course? NI said it was possible previously.
I would rather keep Hump at $2.5 million per year with a possible buyout in year 3.
Until Nets get someone in free agency, Hump would be the starting PF, because Favors isn’t starting, per Avery.
And always need a backup, just in case. If only Favors could learn to get Physical, like Hump.
So even with Hump not opting out, salary cap would be 32.2 (calculated above) – 0.484 = 31.72.
$31.72 million – $16.67 for LeBron leaves 15.05 million which should be enough to sign Boozer, IMO, if LeBron is coming along.
As far as the stupid media are concerned, just trading Yi’s salary would make Nets an equal to Miami and Chicago.
I don’t think Miami would be in a better position, because they would need to get rid of Beasley, who they have given up on.
im hoping for that we got what like 27-28 million to spend so if we somehow trade Yi that would go to 31-32
so i was thinking how about trying to get Dirk in here with 14 million
If he really wants to win a ring i believe he should take less then the max and come play with Lebron
ill be shocked at his age 32 he wants money and not win his first ring
Harris/Lee/James/Nowitziki/Lopez
compared to
Kidd/Terry/Butler/Nowiziki/Dampier
if Dirk is very smart he would leave dallas and take 14million and win his first championship with another first in lebron james
by Wall2KingJames on Jun 27, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, nothing surprising
He’s going to New Jersey
He’s going to Chicago
He’s staying in Cleveland.
All of these are a DONE deal.
I’ll be happy once these moments past and the Nets are looking for their PF to play with LBJ. Was there really ever a doubt that Jay-Z wouldn’t convince him to play here?
I mean seriously. If you know anything about Jay-Z, you know he’s pretty much a God to the hiphop youth. He just sold out Yankee Stadium, 2 nights, in a matter of minutes.
MUCH easier said than done.
NetsDaily.com
by NetsDaily on Jun 27, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Best hope we have – they somehow convince Hump not to pick up his option, probably by way of some shady commitment to pay him one year from now. Then you have to include the GS first rounder to trade Yi to a team with a trade exemption or cap space. Someone has to go for that idea, if teams are willing to pay 3 million dollars to buy a draft pick in the low 20s, why wouldnt they absorb Yi’s 4 million to get a pick which has a decent chance of being top 10?
We can also give the other team 3 million
by rundmc00 on Jun 27, 2010 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I haven't seen evidence of Thorn willing to use Proky's money or else he should have done it on draft night or when getting rid of CDR?
Something isn’t right about that, after the lesson from past years of not having money.
I hope Thorn has Nets best interest in mind.
Normally, someone ready to resign in 3 weeks wouldn’t be allowed to be making key decisions.
God forbid...
you try explaining that to Jerry, after the NETS moved up to spend more then they wanted in the first round to get James, maybe they didn’t want any other potential contracts, 2nd round or not… Oh, and gee, maybe they didn’t LOVE anyone that was left on the board as much as Jerry (can you say TINY), so they decided to let it go… Sure, could they have gotten more for CDR, perhaps, but I think the goal was to have 5 2nd rounders over the next 2 years which they can package in S&T if need be on July 8…. But NO, certain people think this shows that he is not spending Proky’s money…. Never any logic used with certain people…
wouldn't CDR probably be more valuable in a sign and trade
than second rounders?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Perhaps...
but that is an unknown, and therefore, if you have opportunites right now to shed salary that was earmarked against your cap, you do it… And, if there is any truth that they were leaning towards not picking him up because of additional cap space, then grabbing anything that can be part of a package in the coming weeks, doesn’t hurt…
I liked CDR’s game, didn’t love some of the bonehead things he did, but I think we all have to agree, in the bigger picture, he is not anyone that helps us get over any hump (no pun intended) moving forward…
it was only 350,000
there’s almost no situation where that actually makes a difference.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
If
they signed him, it would have been $854K, that is closer to $1M… Look, I am just sharing my opinion, none of know any of this to be fact, but to make an issue out of CDR in my opinion is wasted time on both of our parts…
no that's the difference between picking up his option
and not picking it up, 350,000. Because we get a cap hold for every roster spot under 12.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
err I mean the 350,000 is the difference between picking it up
and not picking it up. There’s no situation where we actually save the full 854K.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Fair enough...
but like I said, or how I precieve it, they weren’t going to pick him up, based on what we’ve learned, so an added 2nd rounder to have to trade down the road was okay with them… Could they have recieved more, you would think, but none of us were on the other end of the line hearing what may or may not have been offered for him…
yeah but them not picking it up
isn’t justification for moving him for such a low gain. Not picking it up in the poor place is a poor decision. Making a poor decision to correct another poor decision isn’t a positive.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Again...
we have NO idea what they were being offered for him. There are no rumors or any indication that there were better offers on the table… One would think there would have been, but we have no real insight to such a scenario, therefore I really don’t have an issue with it…
My point is that
if they were being offered crap then there was no since in trading him at all.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I understand...
but again, I disagree, however you want to look at it, saving $350K + a second rd pick trumps paying $854K in the landscape of cap space…
Better not get that deal in writing...
….you have heard about the Twolves and Joe Smith, haven’t you?
Isn't it possible to include Hump in a S&T with Toronto for Bosh and thus clear all $3.2 million of his salary?
Hump would have to agree of course, but he played in Toronto before and would get more PT this time, with Raptors Ed Davis not expected to be a starter. Wouldn’t Hump be starter in Toronto???
For Boozer, I think Nets would have enough cap. I don’t think LeBron or Nets should want Amare, because of his lack of Defense, inconsistency and future surgery.
IMO
bosh is the ONLY player worth signing and trading for (excluding Lebron of course).
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
The only reason to go for Bosh is if LeBron demands it.
I have doubts that Bosh and Lopez would get along.
Would Bosh be Lopez’ backup center? Not likely Nets would get someone better.
I don’t see Bosh agreeing to be 2nd to Lopez in anyway.
The good thing about Favors, I realize now, is that Derrick is so passive that he would agree to be a bench player in first 2 years, without complaint. Could have been considered in taking him in first place.
Avery made clear that his new PF from free agency would be starting.
Bosh is a PF
why would Bosh be backing Lopez? I mean maybe for stints for a game, but Bosh would be the starting PF, and Lopez startin C. Then you have Favors off the bench with maybe Boone? or Zoubek?
exactly
I wouldn’t willingly take a flaming hefty bag full of dog excrement, and I doubt that the league’s GMs are eager to do so.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Ed says
You can bank on it. LBJ is coming to Nets. He understand fully what coming to us means. 3 yeras in Newark themn to him monument in Brooklyn from wence he will put his footprint on the world through entertainement sports.
by Eddie Bright Jr on Jun 27, 2010 8:36 AM EDT reply actions
Nets need to convince LeBron that it is only 2 years in Newark. That is crucial difference.
Once again, I say that if Nets clear the $3.6 million by dumping Yi, then media will take Nets very seriously, especially after LeBron wants to visit with Proky first.
He lived 25 years in Cleveland
Whats 2 in Newark?
Yesterday I posted a story from Huffington Post claiming LeBron was looking to Buy/Rent a Manhattan apartment.
Their reference was the real estate agent who showed him the property.
It would cost $14 million to buy outright. If true, then I really think he was thinking Nets, but of course no media person in their right mind would ever think Nets, when talking Manhattan and LeBron.
If memory serves me correctly...
Didn’t RJ live in Manhattan when he played for us?
We're gonna need a bigger bandwagon!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jun 27, 2010 9:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
When does Hump have to accept/decline his option by?
29th, right? Or is it the 30th?
As I wrote above, Nets could do a S&T with Toronto (or Utah for that matter) with Hump.
Hump might agree because he would get more PT after they lost Bosh/Boozer.
A thought just came into my mind
Idk if this is possible or even if it makes sense, but atleast for Lebron’s point of view. Lets say Lebron really is interested in coming to the Nets, but he’s concerned about the 30 million he’s losing when he comes to the team. Couldn’t we just sign him to a 1 year deal right now and give him the max amount of money we could for the 1 year, and then the following summer or whenever sign him to the max contract that he would have received with the Cavs that has the additional year with 30 million? I feel that there is some rule that guards against this, but idk.
one
you don’t want to risk him fleeing, 2) its a moot point anyway because I have a hard time seeing anyone coming close to matching Chicago.
Its so frustrating. None of the teams I ever root for seem to catch a break. You really need a lot of luck to strike it big in the lottery and have a few guys pan out. IMO, Nets should just keep chugging along, trying to improve their young players and hopefully they catch a break and land the top 10 guy necessary to win a championship.
a massive break
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
all of a sudden im on the Lebron and Bosh train too
I really think if we managed to do it without giving up young talent, it’s the only situation where two max deals would make sense. How many teams can say they have two superstars under 27, plus Brook Lopez and Devin Harris, the recent #3 overall pick, and above average young role players like C.Lee, and T-will.
the Lebron and Amar’e/Boozer train though still not particularly a fan.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jun 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The answer is that it would be close between Chicago and Nets, but LeBron would avoid the Jordan thing and have his own identity with Brooklyn/Proky/International Connections and still roam the streets of New York.
It would be a Fun Challenge for LeBron to convert New York into a Nets town.
It would be easier than for him to do it in LA with Clippers, with the tough competition from Nets.
I don't see how it's close with Chicago
they have Rose, but outside of that their young players are role players at best. They don’t really have any other young talent, except maybe gibson who’s likely a role player at best too and already as old as Lebron and Bosh (dude’s 25 wtf).
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I mean at to me Courtney Lee
and T-will are probably comparable to Noah and Gibson, and both are younger. And then Lopez is comparable to Rose. But who do they have that matches Harris and Favors? Deng is probably comparable to Harris, but he plays the same position as Lebron, and they still don’t have a true low post option, or any shooters, especially now that they’ve gotten rid of Hinrich and Salmons.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
we have a superior talent base to Chicago's IMO
But because we were so bad, the stink hasn’t gone away yet so people with no clue just assume that what Chicago has is better. Rose is a beast, Noah is a beast, but that’s it if you ask me. I’m not high on Deng at all
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Noah is Varejao...
All they have right now is Rose, which is not something bad but, in order to compete for championships, they need a strong and tough frontcourt, Bosh is not the best choice.
Agreed. No doubt we have a superior talent base.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Yeah that superior talent base
Sure helped you win a lot more games than the Bulls last year. Not saying NJ doesn’t have some nice pieces but the Ws speak for themselves.
Injuries and coaching play a big role in W’s too.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 27, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
The Bulls were ravished by injuries last year. At one point the team lost Noah, Rose, and Deng simultaneously leading to a 10 game losing streak. They also had a clueless, inexperienced coach by the name of Vinny Del Negro calling the plays. That play being give the ball to Rose. So yeah if you want to take into account injuries and coaching then it just says that much more about what this Bulls team was able to accomplish last year.
we had a gm calling the plays
I don’t see how you can possibly compare someone with NBA coaching experience and a gm.
Not to mention unlike chicago we were kind of designed to be awful.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
VDN had no coaching experience what-so-ever when he was hired
And it’s clear that he didn’t learn too much along the way. I would liken his effect on the court to that of an interim coach much like Kiki, i.e. – no effect, at least none positive. You really underestimate how awful VDN was.
when he was hired
2 years ago
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Whatever
If you want to argue that having VDN or Kiki is was an advantage, fine. VDN was as clueless as they come.
we know that your coach was an idiot
but the fact remains, you clearly have little understanding about what kind of stuff was happening here during the season.
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by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
well chicago had a better roster last year..
but we beat them once (or twice?)
and some players won’t be back (miller – expired, hinrich – traded)
yeah, we beat them twice.
including a double overtime game where Terrence Williams dominated them on his way to a 27pts 13rbs 10asts performance
But our talent base is nothing. We have no players at all
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by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We were down to 6 players at different points of the season,Trenton Hassel in the post was our go to play
You had know were near the injuries we had, I mean at one point we had a player catch swine FLU, we didn’t have the veterans to fall back on, (Hindrich,Miller etc), had the youngest starting lineup in the league when all was said and done. Not to mention after 16 games we didn’t have a coach but a GM who had to step in after firing Frank, plus we only had about 2 assistant coaches, no scouts etc…
Last year was horrible on many different levels
But add Favors and James to the mix, I think the direction swings in our FAVORS.
you forgot to mention about coaching..
or the lack thereof
you...
….have next to no understanding about what occurred here last season other than the record. I think that’s pretty clear.
Also, by your thinking, the Knicks have a solid nucleus in place because they had more wins than us. Yeah, right. BTW, two of our W’s came against your team. Maybe that speaks for itself as well.
Don’t take offense, it’s just how it is. Lopez/Harris/Williams/Lee/Favors/James is a solid young talent base to add with Bosh and James.
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by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense taken
I’m not so blatantly blinded by homerism that I would make claim that a team that was able to win a grand total of 12 games has a greater talent level than a team that was able to win 29 more games and put up a fight against the concensus favorite to take the east. No, I don’t think the Knicks have better pieces than the Nets. And yes, I do think the Nets were capable of more than what their record shows. But I will say that the Bulls faced just as much adversity as the Nets, and were over 3x as successful, if you judge success, as I do, by Ws. There’s a reason 75% of the reports coming out the past few weeks have had Lebron to the Bulls, and it’s not because people underestimate the Nets. It’s because this Bulls core has proven themselves on the basketball court, and if Lebron is about winning as he says, it seems the most logical choice. So it’s silly the way some of you write off the Bulls. I’m not writing off the Nets, the way many others already have.
If you want to throw in James and Bosh, I would argue that a lineup of Rose, James, Bosh, and Noah is as formidable as any the league can offer, with or without Deng.
no one said greater talent level
greater talent base. We just got the #3 overall pick, and have several top draft picks. You guys just shipped off Hinrich, which I don’t understand at all since he would be a valuable sign and trade piece, salmons is gone and Deng is likely gone too. Now I agree I’d take rose over harris without even thinking about it but are you really saying you’d like Gibson, Noah and ??, I don’t even know who else, over the #3 pick, Courtney Lee, Terrance Williams, and Brook Lopez?
I mean do you understand that you guys shipped off two big contributors and are rumored to be shipping off a 3rd and that level and base aren’t synonymous?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
The space created by trading Hinrich
Is more valuable than anything we could conceivably get back for him in a s&t, and he’s hardly a “big contributor.” The guy was a decent shooter, and not much else. Not an irreplaceable skill set by any stretch of the imagination. Deng will likely be gone if and when Lebron signs. I don’t see them trading him just for more space, he’s too valuable of an asset to risk losing if James doesn’t sign. Maybe you keep him around and play LBJ at the 2, maybe you use him in a s&t for LBJ or Bosh and pick up some more pieces with the leftover money. It’s just too much of an unknown at this point.
The way I see it, and I think the playoffs just further proved this to be the case with Cleveland and Orlando, is that talent wins championships, not depth. So while the Nets are certainly deeper than the Bulls, the talent level is just not there. I’m not saying the Nets wouldn’t find a lot of success adding James, any team would, but I think the talent level Chicago would have with James and another big time free agent would be off the charts and definitely tough for these guys to resist. I mean, the Bulls could conceivably have 3/5s of the Eastern Conference All Star starters in their lineup, and Noah, that’s insane.
please explain to me how the talent levels not there
are you honestly saying you think a core of Rose,Gibson and Noah is WAY better than Harris, Lopez and Favors? You can’t really be this absurd, do you not get you’d be losing 3 of your top 5 contributors last season? If the guys left are so talented why were they not talented enough to contribute more to the team than the guys who were apparently not important enough for you to be worried that you were gone.
Please just break down to me the talent that is better. Because I know there’s no way you’re saying Gibson and Noah are better talent than Lopez and Favors, and Lee. What is this “talent” you’re talking about outside of Rose, because clearly they didn’t play last year since the minutes were going to the guys you shipped out.
And dude, who exa
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And who exactly is this
3rd guy in the starting 5 in the east play-offs? Rose, James and ???. Rose has about as much chance of Harris of beating out Rondo and Wade for the all star game. And Lopez has a better chance of making it than anyone else on Chicago’s restaurant.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Rose James and Bosh
Please don’t feed me the Rondo praise, dude is so over rated. He can pass, but he’s also got 3 future hall of famers on his team. Rose has Deng. Put Rose on the Celtics and lets see if they compare.
... um is this a joke
the entire point is who has better talent sans those 2. If we got them then we’d probably have 3 of the starting all-stars too. And whether or not you like Rando please tell me how Rose is going to beat him out.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
and please explain to me
how, sans Bosh and Lebron, you guys have better talent. And please don’t come with the bs wins argument considering you’ve lost the major contributors to that team. You keep talking about top level talent but failing to actually name these players.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I'm not gonna sit here forever trying to explain this
Especially to someone who is so hooked on the major contributions from the superior talent that is Kirk Hinrich and Brad Miller. You might have to agree to disagree with me. The Bulls have the top talent, the Nets are deeper. That’s it. Hate it or love it, talent wins championships, not depth. So, assuming 2 maxes are signed, you tell me what starting lineup is capable of more.
Harris, Williams, James, Bosh, Lopez
Rose, James, Deng, Bosh, Noah
You can have a tree stump for a sixth man and that team will win championships. I don’t care how many Courtney Lee’s and Yi’s and Favors’ are on your bench. Favors may be great one day, but for now that’s unknown. I’m basing my opinion on what I know now. And I know that starting five is as good as it gets, good night.
and just to clarify
You can disregard Deng from that lineup. Maybe he’ll be here maybe not, but he’ll bring at least a very capable 2 guard.
oh and you guys are worse than Knicks fans
I come in here saying you guys have some nice pieces and get hounded for it, jeez.
you got hounded
for coming in and saying dumb things. Like 3 of your top 5 contributors weren’t that important.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
YEA
They’re not. Hinrich and Miller. Not that important. There’s 1000 Hinrichs and Miller’s for every James and Bosh. That’s 2 of our top contributors, btw. I’m well aware of the importance of Deng
...
what in the world. We’re talking about which team Lebron would prefer to go to, you can’t count Lebron and Bosh in your top contributors when evaluating the teams talent RIGHT NOW.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
What I'm saying
And what I have been saying the whole time, is that losing Hinrich is not important because that move is essentially what’s going to open the door to get James and Bosh. So losing him for guys like that is well worth losing him for nothing. Reading comprehension?
Um
and what we’ve been saying, is that Lebron is more likely to come here because we have better surrounding talent. Which you have continually failed to dispute.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
When is DRose23 going to understand this!
I keep reading on thinking he will get this simple point you keep meaning.
Deng will have to be gone
in order for them to sign Bosh and James. So you’ll have Rose, James, Bosh and Noah…even you can’t be ridiculous enough to think that’s so much better than Harris, Lee, James, Bosh and Lopez.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I mean you're basically saying
Rose and Noah, is 1325135132 better than Harris and Lopez, and Lee. Which is just downright dumb.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
No, he doesn't have to go
Johnson and Gibson are enough, and they’re a lot easier to move. And I do think it’s significantly better, mainly due to the discrepancy there is between Harris and Rose. Harris just isn’t that good.
Johnson and Gibson
won’t free up enough cap space. They don’t make enough.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
the cap hold is basically 473,00 for each
empty spot below 12. When you factor that in you wouldn’t even clear a full 2 million moving just Gibson and Johnson.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Believe me
It’s enough. This has been a popular topic of conversation on the Bulls blog. I’d be more than happy to copy and paste the numbers for you if you’d like to see
Deng = $11,345,000
Rose = $5,546,160
Noah = $3,128,536
Gibster = $1,117,680
Eight roster charges = $473,604 * 8 = $3,788,832.
Total = $24,926,208
Cap space to $56.1 million cap = $31,173,792
Max for LeDouche and Bosh = $16,568,908
Sign one of them to the max, and you’re adding $16,568,908 to $24,926,208, while taking away one roster charge. That puts you at $41,021,512. That gives you $15,078,488 for the second guy. The cap might even come in at $500,000 yet. If it does, will that million dollar annual discount make all the difference? Probably not.
And if it does, Taj’ll be going the other way.
that gives you 15,078,488
for the second guy, which means not max. So basically like I said you don’t have enough you’re just working under the assumption they’ll take less.
Not to mention what makes you think they’d rather sign to a roster with all of 4 players on it? They might as well go to the knicks.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson