ESPN: Sam Mitchell To Be Johnson's Lead; Barrise, Loyer Retained
by Net Income on Jun 26, 2010 5:29 PM EDT
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ESPN's Chris Broussard, fresh from his scoop that Rod Thorn is stepping down, is now reporting that former Coach of the Year, Sam Mitchell, will be joining the Nets as Avery Johnson's lead assistant. Like Johnson, Mitchell was NBA Coach of the Year as head coach of the Raptors. In fact, the two won the honor in consecutive years, and both lost in the first round of the playoffs.
In addition, Broussard reports that John Loyer and Tom Barrise will be kept on as assistants by Johnson. Barrise was head coach for the last two games of the Nets' 18 straight losses. Loyer took over for one game, and lost, while Kiki Vandeweghe was grieving over the loss of his mother. The two will join Popeye Jones, a Mavericks assistant under Johnson, on the Nets sidelines.
Broussard reports Chris Bosh has credited Mitchell for much of his development which could help the Nets in pursuit of the Raptor forward. Johnson will hire one more yet-to-be-determined assistant as well, Broussard adds. Al Iannazzone reported Friday that Johnson interviewed Eric Musselman, former head coach of the Kings and Warriors, last week.
- New Jersey Nets add Sam Mitchell to coach Avery Johnson's staff Chris Broussard - ESPN
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I like this
Sam Mitchell isn’t the greatest coach, but this means we basically have two head coaches on our bench instead of a head coach and a bunch of assistants. How appealing must that be to free agents? You have two former coaches of the year as your coaching staff!
by muwu on Jun 26, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
YOU KNOW WHAT THIS PROVES...
that AJ is very comfortable this second go around, learned from his mistakes in Dallas, and is not afraid to bring in a guy like Mitchell, who only 3 seasons ago, wone Coach of the Year!! I think this says a lot about AJ’s maturity and confidence… Nicely done Mr. Johnson!!
by NJNETS13 on Jun 26, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yo...
I f*** wit John Loyer no homo. Dude seemed real.
by NetsForce on Jun 26, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
idk why
but i love this comment
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
This is most definitely
Going to catch Lebrons eye this is a playoff/championship level staff, former players mixed in with high level assistants. I have no doubt we will pick a top level GM, it really is all new.
We will regret trading Favors on a side note, whatever this organization does do not let him go.
by Atronic on Jun 26, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice!
Basically we have 2 good coaches on our bench.
Now that’s a great staff!
I'm not too crazy about this staff.
Avery
Mitchell, Jones, Loyer and Barrise.
Its ok i guess. I can’t imagine Avery and Sam not driving players nuts, that combo might be too much. Nothing agaist Loyer or Barrise, but if we’re cleaning the house, then do it right. I dont think any coach from last year deserves to come back.
Plus, who’s the big men coach here? Dont tell me they’ll keep Roy Rogers.
the only thing I don't like
is there doesn’t seem to be a great strategist on the staff. unless loyer and barrise are just unheralded strategists.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
i disagree
avery’s strategy is to play great defense. heck, he had dirk playing d!
by corky_romano4life on Jun 26, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that's not really a strategy
that’s more lighting a fire under guys, not drawing players and making in game adjustments.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Musselman
was interviewed last week. He would fit your definition, but Avery isn’t a slug on strategy.
I disagree
I think Sam will be a very smart assistant coach, I think he will be the mentor to a lot of the guys (i.e good cop), while AJ will play the role of (bad cop), I think they will have a nice dynamic. Also, truth be told, Thorn (as much as I do love him), he should have let either Loyer or Barrise step in last year, but I think he thought with Kiki on the bench, he would learn more about what he had, because of Kiki’s experience as GM… Granted it backfired, but the remaining guys are hard workers, know the game and the players and from everything I have read, the players really liked them, and not because they were nice guys, rather because they worked very hard with the team… Our team was a mess, and that starts at the top, so you cannot fault 2 assistant coaches for any part of that…Just my opinion…
by NJNETS13 on Jun 26, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The players talked about how the team doesn't even watch video.
They like them cause they pretty much were taking it easy all season and were not pushing these bums to work hard. The coaching staff gave up on the season when Kiki was brought in imo. Just because Kiki was the head coach is no reason to stop watching film.
I've never read that, but...
if true, I do not disagree with you one bit, D, but I have a hard time believing they did not watch film, even HS teams, watch film these days…
i remember seeing it from multiple sources.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
This is why I don't see our 12 win record accurately reflecting our talent level
People forget, there was NO coaching whatsoever last year. This was a bunch of young players who had to pretty much coach themselves with no pregame preparation or halftime adjustments. A veteran team could get away with that, but not a bunch of kids. Depending on who we sign, I would be surprised if we don’t make the playoffs next year
this this this
especially considering we play in the east.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Bosh sucks
We have favors.. And if we sign a fa would like lee.
by Andy. on Jun 26, 2010 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't say
I was in Favor of picking him up…
I agree he sucks, but I would actually guess that he might be more inclined to come over in a sign and trade FOR Favors, who would be a logical piece for Toronto to want in exchange. Also, Thorn may be inclined to use that leverage IF he thinks that BOsh helps bring in LBJ- which, incidentally, I am also NOT in Favor of.
I don't think Bosh had any problems with him
He had a problem with the losing. And Mitchell wasn’t spectacular by any means as a head coach, but he’s an assistant now, so I think he’ll be just fine
Why, he hasn't taught Brook anything.
We need coaches that can coach, not coaches that Brook likes.
are you talking about Shaq?
because he’s clearly shown he has no interest in “mentoring” anyone.
Its funny you bring that up
I can see Shaq telling Lebron you come to Newark I will join you for the minimum.
That's kinda what I was thinking...
Shaq takes vets minimum, Lebron comes (with all his baggage and nonsense) and brings in Bosh on the s/t for Favors so that he can wear a NETS uni while not playing Defense
lol yeah I mean
I don’t think thats actually something that probably will happen if Lebron comes, he followed him last year, Shaq gets play last two years behind Brook in Newark get another ring to tie Kobe. Favors gets to learn as well as Lopez.
But I don’t think we need Bosh, honestly we already have lopez, he just needed a partner in crime like Favors to have his back.
yah- no Bosh, keep Favors
that’d be great with me
by NJNM on Jun 26, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats what I would like as well. Not happening, but there is no other center that could provide the knowledge that Shaq can, plus he has connections with Robin doesn’t he? He would bring a totally diff view to Brooks game also, a view I think Brook is lacking in.
Right.
Its that diversity in experience/perspective on the game that, at this particular moment, very few players have that they impart to BLo. Shaq is Shaq, good and bad, but, it is indisputable that he has been one of the most dominant Bigs to EVER play. What can you say. If he could carry on his legacy by mentoring Lopez to greatness in his own home town it would be a tough act to follow.
what could he even mentor
“brook what you need to do is gain 60 pounds and become an athletic freak of nature”
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Shaq understands the inside/out game extremely well after living in the Triangle system for so long
Brook understands feed the post, pass to corner/baseline cutters. Now that we have a PF, BLo is going to have a LOT more on his plate. Obviously he’s improved. And?
Come to think of it...
that’s not the least of it. Shaq could dramatically improve Brook’s spacing and positioning (Triangle) on the blocks, and judging by how many times they ran that sad San Antonio baseline give and go only to flub the feed/timing- ugh- a little nauseous just thinking about it now- I think that Brook could use some pointers on passing back out too. Basically, I think there’s LOTS of room for an experienced, super-talented, VERY LARGE mentor.
Brook is as athletic as he needs to be, and its not going to take 60 lbs of added weight- he just needs to play his size. He should NEVER vanish the way he did so many times last season. Clearly, typically not his fault (lack of coaching/offensive strategy), but he has to demand the ball down low. Until then… send me the Shaq.
sure, shaq COULD do that...
but he won’t.
he’s like brett favre, in that regard.
by shane gayle on Jun 26, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NO...
you overestimate his statemanship…!!
Assume for a minute that James leaves
Shaq does not stick around in Cleveland. He would almost certainly not return to the Heat, Lakers, or Magic. He likes the idea of finishing at home- as he has stated. He’s a champion- if a bit tarnished, & he’s old.
I recognize the tenor of the post is “plain silly”, but considering his options, and stated preference for Newark and partial ownership. I think its a reasonable possibility.
I think his statesmanship will depend on his recognition of the trajectory of his career, and I think Brook’s admiration would feed his ego. Nobody else is.
Just sayin.
WE
don’t even know if LBJ liked playing with Shaq, I think there are way too many IF’s in this and quite frankly, there is NO WAY that LBJ is going to factor Shaq into where he signs next… So, that said, let’s focus on the BIG picture, and when I say big, I do not mean Shaq!!
I don't think LBJ is coming here.
Needless to say I’ll be interested to see where Shaq goes- we can talk about it then.
I'm very satisfied with this..
I’m not knocking Overton or Rogers. As a matter of fact, I like them both. Both are very hard workers and get on the players’ backs. That said, I wish we kept Rogers and had 2 big man coaches, would have been awesome for Brook/Favors (assuming we keep him, of course) to have to coaches- one for offense the other for defense.
Tom’s been with the Nets organization the longest. He knows basketball. A class guy too. I didn’t think he’d coach anymore, but I’m not complaining.
I’m surprised with Loyer still here. Don’t get me wrong, he’s another great coach who knows his basketball. I was expecting for Avery to bring in 3 of his people and he brought in 2, just thought Loyer wouldn’t make the cut. I was wrong!
Well, we have a solid coach and coach bench, now..how about our players and our bench? Stay tuned!
The report says...
AJ is bringing in one more guy, so you’re right he will bring in 3 total… My guess is he is trying to see who he can get to be the true big man coach…
Big Man Coach
Popeye Jones is the big man coach, and a damn good one. Brook will continue to develop under his guidance, we have a great staff in place
i like it
very solid staff, we might actually play some defense this season!
Yeah I mean thats the great thing about having money
We can hire whoever not have to have only 2 coaches on the bench.
I think our draft picks are going to be a deal breaker in any trade, thats why I believe YI is gone.
five assistants is a good number
Loyer, Barrise, Mitchell, Jones and possibly Musselman.
Last year at the end of the season, there were two assistants. Loyer and Rogers. Overton was assigned to scouting. Harris has quite. Barrise was in the front office.
Now they had to add scouts to the staff. I assume D’Alatri is staying. He speaks Russian and has a certification from the Soviet Sports Committee.
How about McHale as assistant/2nd big man coach. He’s not doing anything important and is probably the best fundamental big man ever. =]]
lol @ he's not doing anything important
it’s probably true but it made me laugh
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
you mean advanced scouts?
or like draft scouts?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Nets went from 0 head coaches...
…to two in a matter of weeks.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 6:15 PM EDT reply actions
may go to three
if Avery hires Musselman.
These guys do not come cheap. We’re talking $250,000 minimum. I assume Mitchell is getting high six figures, low seven.
Have the Nets expressed interest in Musselman?
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that we did not buy a second round pick...
Was Thorn trying to show his boss that he doesn’t need to waste money while doing his job?
Why can’t we trade Yi plus pick and 3 million dollars? Receiving team would only spend 1M on contract.
Could do the same for Hump.
by rundmc00 on Jun 26, 2010 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love this
two former coaches of they year at the helm. thats gotta be good news.
Mikhail $$$$$$$ Prokhorov
Both Avery and Sam Mitchell
have a lot to prove as it relates to their reputations for grating on players’ nerves. Here’s hoping that both of them have evolved as coaches.
I had the impression that Mitchell was not popular with the fans in toronto. They thought Frank was a genius in comparison.
by ispartan on Jun 26, 2010 7:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We got a nice Staff Now Hopefully They Do there Job and makes these players play hard and play defense
As for Bosh i understand he might suck or we dont need him
So im assume everyone who dont want bosh wants Stoudemire because IMO IF we sign Lebron we arent winning with just him IMO we need an star to come with him
dont get me wrong this team with just lebron would be amazing but we would be just like the cavs we would have Lebron and thats it no other Superstar to help Lebron
Now dont think im trying to say Harris and Lopez suck they dont there stud players but i think are team would be more Dangers with Bosh/Amare and Lebron
Just look at this way
Harris/Lee/James/Favors/Lopez
Can that 5 Beat the Magic in the playoffs how about the Lakers and i dont think there a team out there who we wont beat i think we can beat Heatr Knicks Hawks Bulls Celtics and most of the teams in the west
why in the world do people think Bosh sucks?
I’d take him over Amar’e and Boozer easy.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Well
Here’s the thing: Bosh is 3 years younger than Amare and David Lee. I just like Amare’s persona better, plus he wants to be here (maybe). Does having Mitchell bring us Bosh? Idk. I’d be thrilled with either Amare or Bosh. Also, Bosh needs to have the ball a lot to be effective, whereas Lee and Amare play a lot off the ball especially off pick and rolls.
by corky_romano4life on Jun 26, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Bosh is Charmin Soft.
But i’ll be a fan if he joins the Nets.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. most people dont like Bosh becasue he is soft. But he is one of the most skilled big men in the league. If his defnse gets a little better him and Lopez an d lEbron owuld be the greatest front court ever to exist
I remember the Nets shutting down Bosh by guarding him with RJ.
He is a 4 that plays like a 3.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s funny because you always diss Vince yet Bosh’s career pales in comparison to Vince’s career. He doesn’t come close yet people think Bosh should get the max yet Vince doesn’t deserve his less than max contract. Doesn’t compute.
by ispartan on Jun 26, 2010 7:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Vince in his prime was worth the max.
Vince at the end of his prime was not.
Bosh is in his prime and worth the max.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
this
vince at 26, was a completely different player than the vince we saw right before and after his max deal.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
not to mention no one's talking about bringing in Bosh as THE GUY
where as that’s exactly who vince was expected to be.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
also when did I ever say Bosh was worth max?
I only think two players in this FA class are worth max, Lebron and D-wade. The rest are prime examples of why the CBA needs drastic restructuring and how horribly inefficient the nba market is.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Bosh is worth the max
Only 26 super skilled PF inside/outside game, double digit rebounder, 2 BSG, athletic, no major injuries so far, Go to guy on his team. If hes not a max player I dont know who is. All of this with garbage around him. How good would he be if he had decent talent around him. Imagine if he played with Nash instead of Amare- it wouldnt even be a debate. Now, He may not fill a need for us right now that we drafted Favors…..but if we cneed to get him in a S&T (in order to give him a max deal) in order to sign LBJ….its a no brainer (as long as Lopez is not part of that deal)
well I agree he's definitely more worth the max
than guys like Amar’e or Boozer are, to me max contracts should be reserved for superstars. In the current NBA structure I guess I’d agree he’s worth it, but that’s more because I think the current system is flawed. I think he’s worth way more than Amar’e/Boozer, but I also think he should be considered a tier below Lebron/Wade, when it comes to contracts.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
that's kind of the point of what I'm saying
there’s an inefficiency in the market, good teams recognize those and capitalize, poor ones allow the market to dictate for them.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Maybe the issue is not whether players like Boozer are worth Max....
but rather superstars like Lebron and Wade are worth much more than the max.
If you want an efficient market that applies the right relative value to all players, keep the cap but remove the max. Now that would be interesting…..Knicks pay Lebron $50 million and add 11 D-leaguers.
yeah I can't say I've ever really understood the point of the max
with a cap.
but that being said considering the NBA is bleeding money I’d imagine the entire cost structure needs to be completely overhauled.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I think you meant to write keep the max but remove the cap.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jun 27, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not a requirement for a big man coach to be a great NBA big himself
So i’ll hold off judgment until i see if there is any improvement in Brooks game. But with the addition of another young big who is completely unpolished, i would have liked someone a bit more high profile with more experience then Popeye.
I wanted no part of Bosh when this all started. I’d still prefer Lee over him but I prefer them BOTH over Boozer. Amare has too many injuries for my taste. I thought Bosh was too soft to go along side Lopez (not that Lee is Bill Laimbeer). While I don’t like Bosh, if it brings LeBron, I’d have to deal with it. With the ownership thing and mentioning growing up in Newark, I’m believing more and more every day that Shaq will be here. He may also become an important piece in bringing LeBron here. As a backup to Lopez, you can’t get much better than that.
As far as the staff goes, I like it. I heard McHale mentioned earlier as an assistant. There’s NO WAY he’ll take it. I can see Musselman getting the job. Maybe Overton gets brought back. Maybe there’s a surprise candidate we haven’t heard of. They get a good grade for this so far. My MAIN concern is Rod, his replacement and the effect it’ll have on free agency.
It would be awesome if we get musselman on our bench
Has there ever been a team that had THREE former head coaches on their bench?
this staff is niceeeee
the SIMPLE fact that we have two former head coaches on the bench is fantastic. I truly feel that we are putting these steps together brilliantly. good stuff, nice to hear
Only one thing concerns me is that
whether Avery Johnson and Sam Mitchell will have the dispute if they don’t have the same idea?
I'm cool with Avery...
but Sam Mitchell? Unless he gets us Chris Bosh this is not a good decision.
Why not add Mike Brown as well and Byron Scott so we can have the most incompetent coaches ever?
My choice is Eddie Jordan plus a defensive coach like JVG (someone LIKE him, I know he isn’t interested…)
lol i like how you hate on mike brown
and then turn around and want a defensive minded coach like JVG. Mike Brown is one of the best defensive minds there is. He’d be an awesome addition to a staff as an assistant.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
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