NetsDaily Off-Season Report #11
Special Breathless Edition. What's more likely to be more newsy? Last week, with the Draft and Rod Thorn's impending resignation or next week with free agency and pursuit of LeBron James, et al. We're going with...next week. With each passing day, it seems the Nets chances of landing a big free agent grow, maybe even the "best of the best" as the Big Russian calls him. We look at it all, as well as the Draft, including the Nets' "third round" picks; Damion James' promise and what's up in Brooklyn, actually what's down.
Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, relying on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who have slipped interesting stuff into larger stories and blogs...not to mention our own reporting.
Where to begin?
Our first thought when we read the news about Rod Thorn? This will give Brett Yormark a chance to add "New General Manager" to his "It's All New" checklist!!
Well, that and a lot of memories: where we were when we heard about the Jason Kidd trade, the Kenyon Martin trade, the Vince Carter trade, the Shareef Abdur-Rahim contract issues, etc., the Brook Lopez draft.
Like every GM, he had his successes and failures...and oh, how that man can spin. Bottom line: he will leave the franchise in much better shape than when he arrived.
One other thing: Rod Thorn made the best draft pick (Michael Jordan) and the best trade (Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury) in the last 30 years. Now, it looks like he wants to finish off his career with the greatest free agent signing ever. It would make for the perfect trifecta.
On the debate over whether Thorn left because of business or family concerns, we tend to go with the latter, based on what we were hearing from Nets insiders as recently as Wednesday. But are these two explanations mutually exclusive? If you're being pressed by your family to give it up and settle down in Naples, FL, and your boss is offering you $1 million less than what you're currently making, both things could factor into your final decision.
There will be plenty of enconiums over the next couple of weeks. For now, let's just say best wishes.
Who's Next?
It's hard to tell who Mikhail Prokhorov will choose to run the team during the rebuilding effort. There is some assumption that Prokhorov will rely on Thorn for a recommendation. We're not sure that's completely accurate. Thorn will be consulted, we assume, but he is not Prokhorov's long-term advisor on NBA matters. Sergey Kushchenko, the former head of CSKA Moscow and now director of the Russian Biathlon Union, holds that position, we're led to believe. It was Kushchenko who checked out NBA franchises before Prokhorov first looked into the Knicks, then the Nets.
Who might Kushchenko like? Three years ago, he tried to hire Maurizio Gherardini, the GM of Benetton Treviso, to run CSKA Moscow. Gherardini decided on the NBA instead and became assistant GM of the Raptors.
Doug Smith of the Toronto Star reports Saturday that it's unlikely that Raptor GM Bryan Colangelo would stand in Gherardini's way. Of course, Bryan might have a conflict of interest.
In spite of the bad blood (described so well by Dave D'Alessandro) between Thorn and Jerry Colangelo, understand this: Prokhorov was interested in hiring Bryan's father to be his president of basketball operations during the winter. We were told that Colangelo wanted an enormous amount of money, more than double Thorn's quite generous salary, to take the job. With incentives, we were told it could have reached $50 million over three years. Nothing ever came of it, but we were told things between Prokhorov and Thorn weren't settled til May.
We have to assume that Prokhorov would want this done soon. On that issue, we're getting some mixed signals. There's some indications that the process is already underway, others that it's not. Prokhorov has had nothing but good press since he took over. This is his first crisis. Best if he moves forward quickly. Have no doubt: the Nets biggest asset in this hunt is Prokhorov himself. If he is tarnished, agents and free agents will notice.
Bottom line: there are six seats on the Ohio-bound Gulfstream G550. Five of them are likely to be filled by Prokhorov; Jay-Z; Thorn; Avery Johnson; and Ellen Pinchuk, Prokhorov's press person, advisor and translator. You'd want the new guy to fill up that last seat on July 1, wouldn't you?
The French Connection
Why are the Nets first line at the LeBron Beg Fest 2010? We aren't reading too much into it, but that's because we are not getting our hopes up. Unlike Knicks fans, we are not delusional.
One possible reason: Jay-Z will be unavailable from July 2 on. He's home now but on July 2, he's scheduled to appear at Eurockeennes in Belfort, France, then he does a concert two nights later in London (sponsored by Barclays). He's off for four days before performing in County Kildare, Ireland, on July 9. Certainly enough time there for someone's jet to pick him up, take him to New Jersey (or Brooklyn) for a press conference, than swing back across the Atlantic to Ireland.
FYI, in case you didn't notice, Jay-Z talked about his relationship with the Nets on David Letterman this week. He referred to Prokhorov as the "tall guy" and when asked if he was still an owner, Jay-Z lifted his head up and responded, emphatically, "Yeah, even more so".
There's been no announcement of any change in the team's relationship with the Brooklyn-born Jay-Z, but there have been some suggestions that he would like to "partner" with the Nets in a new relationship beyond his (very) small investment in the team and Barclays Center.
Red Dawn Over Manhattan
We thought it was just our Nets bias, but now we see we are not alone. There is a fear building in Knicks land about their chances to land LeBron, in spite of all hype and season ticket sales.
On Friday night, ESPN did a prime time show on LeBron and the rest of the free agency. David Aldridge, Michael Wilbon, Chris Broussard and Jon Barry were unanimous in their belief that James is not headed for the Big Apple, or at least Manhattan.
In fact, they agreed that reality is starting to dawn over Manhattan: that the Knicks in spite of the cap hoard don't have the goods to get LeBron or any of the top three or four free agents. Why? David Aldridge explained that players want their suitors to work sign-and-trades with their old teams "and the Knicks have NO players" to work sign-and-trade deal. He said the same thing about Chicago. Their big attraction is the same as the Nets: a solid young core. Dump one of them and the team becomes less attractive to a free agent.
Bottom line: the free agent they think is most likely to come to New York: Joe Johnson. The free agent they think is most likely to come to New Jersey: David Lee...meaning he's leaving the Knicks, making them even less attractive.
And all this starts, remember, on WEDNESDAY night.
As a side note, we are thoroughly enjoying the spectacle of the New York media, particularly the Post, News and Newsday, trying to justify two years of total hype, complete with special promotions and webpages. As the likelihood of LeBron-in-the-Mecca slowly starts to fade, they are fumbling for new reasons to promote the idea. If at the end of the day on July 8, the best the Knicks can do is Joe Johnson, nearly 30, and LeBron James heads off to a new address, particularly Newark, expect the likes of Marc Berman, Frank Isola and Alan Hahn to turn on Donnie Walsh like a pack of Norwegian rats on the "F" line.
Draft Sleepers of the Week
What you say? The Draft was last Thursday. Yes, the first two rounds, but what about the "third round", the round where undrafted players get scooped up by teams for their summer league rosters.
More so than in recent years, the Nets seem to have been active in this area. On Thursday morning, they quietly worked out a number of players who they thought might slip and offered them deals: if you don't get picked, we'd like to see you in Orlando.
Then, starting after the draft ended, the calls went out to players who were there that morning as well as others. By Friday, at least four college seniors had agreed to sign with the Nets summer league team and will begin practicing at the PNY Center on Wednesday.
Here's who we've read will be wearing Nets (practice) uniforms at the RDV Center starting July 5. As Jonathan Givony of Draft Express noted on his Twitter page: "Nice squad they'll have".
Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech, drafted #3, 2010. Compared by his coach to a smaller Dwight Howard or a younger Kevin Garnett.
Terrence Williams, 6'6" SF/SG/PG, Louisville, drafted #11, 2009. Rookie of the Month for April, when he averaged 14.3 ppg, 7.1 rpg and 6.3 apg in 34.3 minutes.
Damion James, 6'8" SF/PF, Texas, drafted #24, 2009. A four year player at Texas (who talks to his former teammate Kevin Durant every day), James averaged 18.0 and 10.2 in his senior year, while shooting 38.2% from deep. One of the drafts best athletes.
Brian Zoubek, 7'1" C, Duke, undrafted, 2010. Often injured at Duke, the Haddonfield, NJ, native was critical to the Blue Devils national championship run. A hard to move defender in the post and a terrific rebounder...he averaged 7.7 per game--including 3.6 offensive--in 19 minutes!
Wayne Chism, 6'9" PF/SF, Tennessee, undrafted, 2010. An efficient front court player who's seen as a tweener by NBA scouts. He averaged 12.6 ppg and 7.2 rpg for the Vols. Also shot 32.4% from downtown.
Ben Uzoh, 6'4" PG/SG, Tulsa, undrafted, 2010. Known for his impressive athleticism and consistent play, Uzoh is not a great ball-handler but plays under control.
Tweety Carter, 5'11", PG, Baylor, undrafted, 2010. Undersized but capable of scoring, averaging 15.0 ppg and shooting 38.5% from downtown. He also led the Big 12 in assists at 5.9. McDonald's All-America in high school, where he scored a US record 7,457 points.
Expect the complete list this week. Why so many decent, if undrafted, players this year? Part of it is that agents realize the Nets are a rising team, but it's smart to get a look-see from a team that might want to sign two maximum salary players, leaving a lot positions open for minimum salary players.
And remember, this is how the coach started.
The Other Pick Thursday
We love the Derrick Favors pick and would be VERY upset if he was a piece in a trade to free up cap space or in a sign and trade. We think this is a special player, not a chip. And in spite of what some have written about his chip-a-bility, Fred Kerber thinks it's all a bit overblown. We are relying on Fred.
But the other pick was a complete surprise to us. Damion James? Who? When the trade was announced we were disappointed because that meant fewer picks , less speculation right up to the minute of the draft.
So we went scurrying around the internet, to DraftExpress and NBADraft.net and Chad Ford's Top 100 list as well as YouTube. We admit we hadn't been paying attention to Mr. James who most mock drafts had at between #14 and #19 with some outliers as high as #12 and as low as #28. On the Nets' own internal board, he was in the mid teens as well.
One of the first things we found was an interview with Draft Express' Richard Walker, which was interspersed with video him working out prior to the draft against Paul George and Luke Handragody. We liked what we saw...and heard. In the interview, James talked how he has improved his defense. "I want to be a great defensive player. If I can do that, I can play in the NBA for a long time." (We also liked this line...about Kevin Durant: "that guy's like my brother. We talk every day and we compete when we're in Austin.")
And in the workout part of the interview, James showed he can free up just enough room and hit a tightly guarded three. You can see why Ford compared him to James Posey. That would be nice.
Also, we checked Draft Express' measurements page, where we found that James was one of the most athletic players in the draft. In three quarter court sprint, he finished 10th and all those ahead of him were guards. In his lane agility--how much time it takes to slide around the key--he finished fourth, only 6/100ths of a second behind John Wall. His vertical leap (33") is more than respectable.
He looks like someone who can contribute right away. One final note on James. He is the final piece of the Jason Kidd trade. So the two draft picks from the February 2008 trade turned into Courtney Lee (via Ryan Anderson) and Damion James. Other than that, the Nets still have Devin Harris, of course, and Keyon Dooling, who was acquired using the deal's $3.3 million trade exception--and $3 million in cash. The Nets are trying to turn Dooling into another asset this week.
What Up, Brooklyn?
Reading the bi-weekly construction update on the Barclays Center, we found something new. Construction crews are putting into place the concrete footings for the arena, at least at one end of the construction site. So the construction has moved from the excavation stage to the building stage. The update doesn't indicate how long before we see steel in the sky, but two of the most iconic structures in the resistance to Atlantic Yards are being prepared for demolition. Both the site of Freddy's Bar and Daniel Goldstein's condominium are undergoing "abatement", in effect clearance, and demolition permits have been sought.
Final Note
Over the next 10 days, there will be a lot of newspaper reports, internet postings, videos, television reports, blog items, radio reports, tweets and simple overheard gossip. Right now, no one can predict what the Nets' roster will look like. We'll try our best to keep up.
In the meantime, stay thirsty, my friends...and enjoy this.
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can we get beyonce in that last seat?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jun 26, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
also
In fact, they agreed that reality is starting to dawn over Manhattan: that the Knicks in spite of the cap hoard don’t have the goods to get LeBron or any of the top three or four free agents. Why? David Aldridge explained that players want their suitors to work sign-and-trades with their old teams “and the Knicks have NO players” to work sign-and-trade deal. He said the same thing about Chicago. Their big attraction is the same as the Nets: a solid young core. Dump one of them and the team becomes less attractive to a free agent.
isn’t this kind of contradictory? They want sign and trades worked out, but they don’t want the nets or chicago to move any of their young core? Do they expect their teams to take back Yi in a sign and trade?
This also makes the Hinrich deal make less sense, I would think teams would have been interested in him in a sign and trade.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
To get the second max free agent the Nets would have to offer salary (Yi) along with picks (think Kenyon Martin trade).
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
but my point is
why would their departing teams take back Yi, who we apparently can’t give away at this point.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
The incentive to take back Yi, who is at minimum an expiring contract, is multiple picks.
Bosh’s agents tells Toronto you can either sign and trade me for Yi and three firsts or I sign with another team and you get nothing.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Since he's saying NY doesn't have the pieces
I assume it means they’ll want more than garbage back
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I agree
They could have turned either Hinrich or Deng into a sign and trade until they had too. I would have thought Chi would have kept Hinrich as he would have fit in well with James. Hope that was a mistake that helps us.
Agreed.
Hinrich fits better with James than Deng.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Salary doesn't have to match...
… Nets could send back future draft picks in the S&T trade.
Example: Orlando sent a future first round pick to Toronto in order to sign & trade Tracy McGrady.
Correct.
But if you assume that the Nets sign James first, they do not have enough room under the cap to offer Bosh/Stoudamire/etc a max offer. They would need to work through the respective players team.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
clearing Yi (or Humphries) off the team salary...
… doesn’t have to be a part of that transaction, either. Just would have to happen before signing both FAs.
I agree the Nets would be in a better position if Lebron requires a max deal sidekick and they already had the appropriate space available.
Agreed.
Many avenues to the same destination.
Sending a first and $3 million (to buy out Yi) to a team with cap space to take Yi would accomplish the same thing.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice work as always, Net Income..
but answer me this, what’s the deal with the Mid-Level exception?
does it only apply to teams that are over that cap on July 1st, or teams that were over the cap the previous season?
If the Nets somehow were to land LBJ & Bosh, would they still be able to sign a shooter (perhaps a Mike Miller)?
I believe it is as of the start of FA.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
what if we go over after fa?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question numbers 29, 30, 31, 32). A team can’t act like they’re under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.
So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $49.5 million, and a team has $43 million committed to salaries. They also have a Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a Traded Player exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $53.5 million, or $4 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use their exceptions.
The Nets will not have the MLE
The MLE is “granted” (well not exactly, but that is the easiest way to think of it) as soon as the July cap numbers are given.
Please don't let the Nets waste money on David Lee or Rudy Gay
Yeah we can get Zoubek on the cheap
I mean he is 7’1 and having two 7 footers I think makes more sense, Boone can’t shoot, I would look at Zoubek first to save money.
Please no more with Boone
4 years and still cannot finish or shoot free throws. He is a mental mess.
by StevieG. on Jun 26, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish Boone all the best...
but his ship has sailed in NJ. He seems to be a great kid though.
Did you know that Josh Boones first name is actually Oscar?
I still think he should have gone by Oscar Boone, grown a little baby afro and mustache and called himself “The Garbage Man”.
by Joe Uras on Jun 26, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm thinking keeping Favors has to happen
I think Lopez affords us that ability, he’s a legit 20/10 guy, and Lebron knows what he’s all about and might figure that we don’t need Bosh, but maybe just go after a Gay to play SG, and Lee to play PF, but we probably still need to trade YI, especially if we want to get shooters put around Lebron.
If Lebron wants more than one ring, keeping Favors makes sense.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
this this this
all this talk about a dynasty isn’t going to happen if we’re signing and trading away the 18 year old #3 pick and future 1sts for 29 year old power forwards.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Agree with Favors.
Disagree with the future first.
If you have James, Bosh, Lopez, Favors, Harris, etc, those picks will not be worth that much anyways.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
they were talking about GS's pick earlier
which has a very good chance of being a lottery pick.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
id give up a chance for a to 14 pick for Bosh, and the two high picks of ours through the years. the nets just got a couple of second rounders, they could try to trade or buy their way in to the drafts. But if it is seriously Yi and draft picks for the next 2 years, for bosh, the nets need to pull the trigger
We picked up some nice pieces for the summer league… Only wished we picked up that small pg Randle.
by Andy. on Jun 26, 2010 5:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
servers will explode
but then when LeBron signs with the Nets, the site will simply go away, become one with the Universe.
haha
Seriously you’ll have to have your IT department ready for an evening from hell! Except it will be the best night E V E R
by corky_romano4life on Jun 26, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I tell you this
If LBJ signs with the Nets, what ever server this site is on, and its pathway to it will die in matter of seconds… LOL Everybody will be posting via pc or mobile phone.
we'll clog the tubes
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
what impressed me
was 7.7 rebounds, including 3.6 offensive, in 18.7 minutes. Now, he has had a number of foot injuries, but he would come very cheap. rebounding translates, particularly when the player has high level competition like Zoubek has.
The thing about Zoubek
is he, like Boone are poor free throw shooters, so I hope he really works hard on that. What we learned with having Boone is that teams will just foul the guy rather then let him get off a lay up… Now Zoubek, is just above 50%, which I know is better than Boone, but still, just barely over 50%… He should just work on that, because his size will allow him to rebound and drop in put backs…. I want 500 FT’s a day, young man!!!
my favorite thing
is him passing out. The most frustrating thing about college big men is they make these great offensive rebounds and then instead of passing the ball back out for the reset clock or to the open perimeter shooter they throw up ugly shots which result in turn overs often.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
There is nothing better than all this build up!
It’s like Christmas, but without all the crappy present buying!
by Joe Uras on Jun 26, 2010 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm...
Newsday: “Several NBA insiders believe the Nets may be emerging late as front-runners in the LeBron Sweepstakes” 29 minutes ago via TweetDeck
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jun 26, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
All we have to do is sit back and relax
We lost 12 games last year, we expect nothing so everything is basically icing on the cake right now, honestly I would be good with Rudy Gay and Lee, so I won’t be sweating it out like Knick fans, who might kill themselves with shock, if that can happen lol.
so you dont mind that we watched the team shed cap, break horrible records, and get our butts kicked all over the court…. for Rudy Gay???? i am thinking big man, Lebron James. The nets would definitely steal most of the knicks fans then
No don't get me wrong I would love Lebron etc
But I’m not loosing sleep like Knick fans, if we don’t get Lebron were still in good shape if Knicks don’t get him there done fro another 5 years.
they probably already traded away their 2015 pick too.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
We're gonna need a bigger bandwagon!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jun 27, 2010 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
can you imagine if we signed them both
without having to move any young players? To say it would be sick would be a gross understatement. Lebron and Bosh are only 25 and 26. Our team average age would probably be under 26. If that’s not the makings of a dynasty I don’t know what is.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
if we could dump yi off to some team for nothing, maybe Golden State as they have a huge asian culture over there, it would be huge for marketing which is all they are really good for. the nets would have a way better line up to offer than any of these other teams and an owner willing to go over the tax to keep a championship team.
Any team that takes Yi would demand a lot (unless the Nets have 2 bidders)
Probably have to give up Warriors 1st round 2012, 1-7 protected pick.

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