Why we don't need to include Favors is any sign and trade (maybe)
by muwu on Jun 26, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
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PrintLet's say player A is an unrestricted free agent (as most free agents we're talking about are)
His contract is up, he no longer has any ties with his now former team.
He has a choice between team A, B, or C.
So let's say he chooses team A.
He goes to his former team and says, "Let's do a sign and trade with team A. I can leave and sign with them outright, or you can be the ones to sign me to a contract, letting me get an extra year, and receive something as opposed to nothing in return for your troubles."
The salaries don't have to match as long as the former team is below the cap with the removal of the newly signed contract of player A.
Here's an article on Hoopsworld about sign and trades:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16337
However, questions often arise as to whether or not this is the best course of action for a NBA team. Since the marquee free agent in question has more leverage than his current team in such negotiations, the player's current team risks being offered scraps or getting just pennies on the dollar in return.
Let's look at the cap situations of the free agent PFs teams
Chris Bosh - Assuming Bosh opts out, The Raptors have 46.88 million in committed salaries next year. With the projected salary cap at 56 million, they have 10 million in cap space.
Amare Stoudamire - Removing Amare's salary, the Suns are at 45.6 million in salaries, similar to the Raptors.
Carlos Boozer - The Jazz have 45.39 million in committed salaries next year, similar to the Raps and Suns
David Lee - Do we even need to take a look at the salaries they have for next year?
So you can see from this that the salaries don't have to match for any of these guys, really. In theory we could give them Keyon Dooling and call it a day. The team trading Player A has no power over us or their player. His contract is up, he is no longer bound to that team. He is actually doing them a favor by letting them get something in return instead of leaving them with nothing.
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Agree
I agree. Y give up Favors, who could turn out to be a beast in the “Leastern Conference”, ala K Mart.
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Stop all this S&T stuff. Just stick to the plan. Built from the really solid young core of Harris, TWILL, Brook, Favors, and Damion. Then go after LBJ and Amare or Bosh, and if that doesn’t work, go after Boozer to tutor Favors, and someone like Joe Johnson or Ray Allen. STICK TO THE PLAN PROKY!
I'm beginning to agree on holding onto Favors
in place of offering him as a piece in a S&T. Favors fills a need that we have been desperately in lack of for years, so why trade a young stud with a small salary for the next few years for a max contract with other issues (e.g., knees or personality concerns)? However, that doesn’t mean the Nets won’t try that option with another player. Specifically, I’m thinking of Devin or T-Will. I don’t want to see T-Will go by any stretch, but we need a starting SF, and preferably a big name SF. This is why I think the Nets might look to move Devin and the #27 (Damion James – who will likely play the 3 as a pro) to a team with a star 3. As long as we can get a PG of some kind (starter or backup) along with the stud SF, anything is possible IMO and the move would be worth it.
In Rod We Trust
I think Damion James can have a pretty long and useful career
He won’t ever be anything more than a role player, but he’ll be a good one. From everything we’ve seen and heard about him, everything points to aggressive and active. He’s gonna be a good sparkplug guy off the bench
Agreed,
but with the Nets? We didn’t even work him out. And what if we find a way to lure a top SF in exchange for letting him go? More tixx sold in Newark due to a new buzz surrounding the team.
In Rod We Trust
We didn't work out a lot of players, I think it was more because we didn't expect him to be there rather than we didn't want him
This was a guy who was projected to go somewhere around 12-20. He wasn’t going to be there by the time we picked. And again, as this fanpost points out, teams giving away the big name in sign and trades are in no position to be demanding. If you’re talking regular trade then, then it’s possible, but I’d try to give away other pieces first, he’s not gonna be the main focus of any trade for a big name
I'm still waiting for the "big splash" Proky promised
and I don’t see it yet. And Amare or Boozer doesn’t seem like it, IMO. However, LeBron (or even a star player not currently a FA) would fit the bill. Don’t get me wrong: I’m very happy with Johnson as coach and I think Favors made more sense alongside Lopez than Cousins would have, but neither of these moves is what we’re looking at as an eye-popping move. Presumably, the ‘splash’ would have to come at SF, where we’re clearly lacking a starter. I think T-Will should be a starter, but at the point, not at SF. He’s more of a playmaker anyway. And Yi simply isn’t a starter and certainly couldn’t get it done at that spot. DJames will be good, but we need a guy to score points and simultaneously put butts in the seats. I don’t think James is that guy, at least not right now. After 12-70, we need more than a solid draft pick to get fans to come back and take interest in this team.
In Rod We Trust
He's not supposed to be that by any measure
He’s not even supposed to be a starter. He’s not the big splash but he is a nice part to add to the bigger picture
Not saying that DJames was that guy
but I am saying the ‘splash’ hasn’t come yet, and someone(s) from our current roster is on his way out. My guess is that James would be involved in any package for a big name, since he’s young and highly thought of (and cheap). And the team losing their stud SF would want something in return. That big-name player is the key to next season, both on and off the court for us, and I’d personally like veterans coming off the bench than rookies.
In Rod We Trust
Never rule out the possibility of Djames starting.
He has an NBA ready body frame and fits perfectly in a defensive minded system like Avery’s.
If we don’t get Lebron it’s gonna be all about internal improvement, which means James and Favors will be given the opportunity to start.
Having CLee, James and Favors on the starting five would be a nightmare for the opposing offense, at least on paper.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
The Problem is competing teams
i don’t want to give up any players but if a team says they can do a sign and trade with there old club. no player is giving up that extra year.
we are in competition with other clubs. even though we have a nice amount of pieces to get it done.
Here's the thing, even if the team wanted to send Player A to team B, Player A would still have to sign off on it
The power is all with Player A. If he doesn’t want to go to team B, he’s not signing that contract. Remember, he can sign with any other team with no string attached, he doesn’t have to sign with his old team. The only competition with other teams is to get him to want to come to your team, not with the actual sign and trade
i imagine he means competing teams like chicago and us
if Lebron or Bosh rated us and Chicago equally they’re more likely to go to the team thats willing to sign and trade for them.
That being said IMO, if they’re that obsessed with not leaving money on the table to demand their new team to give up valuable assets, that could help bring a championship, just to appease their egos than to hell with them.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
next up is july 1 free agency and trades for offseason
exciting offseason so far
The only problem I think is that
if we want 2 max players, we’d probably have to acquire one of them via a S&T. Knowing that, why would Toronto help us out? I’d think that they’d play hardball, threatening to let him go for nothing, rather than accept what they would consider to be junk. A handful of draft picks might work though. I wholeheartedly agree that we shouldn’t give up Favors in any S&T.
the same reason anytime does sign and trades
something is better than nothing. Even if something is some 15-20 minute guys or future protected picks. With no compensation system in the NBA it’s the closest they get.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
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