Expect the Unexpected
by Net Income on Jun 24, 2010 8:19 AM EDT
in 2010 NBA Draft
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It was two years ago that Rod Thorn unexpectedly dealt Richard Jefferson to the Bucks for Yi Jianlian and Bobby Simmons and a year ago that he did the same with Vince Carter, sending the team captain and Ryan Anderson to the Magic for Courtney Lee, Rafer Alston and Tony Battie. Don't expect Devin Harris to share the same fate. "The expectation is that he will be here," Thorn said of Harris.
Still, with more rumors out there than ever before and free agency driving a lot of decisions, it would be surprising if the Nets weren't involved in their share. Putting aside the possibility of a trade--Yi Jianlian's name comes up most often, there are reports of the Nets trying to move up to #19 by trading their two late picks to Boston, offering Keyon Dooling's attractive buyout package, demanding the #23 pick from the Timberwolves and simply buying a second round pick. Then, there's the big rumor that the Nets made an offer for Chris Paul, which team officials deny.
As of Thursday morning, Derrick Favors looks like the heavy favorite (we must overcome this) at #3 with Wesley Johnson, DeMarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe barely in the mix.
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My preferred scenarios
1. Draft Cousins at 3
2. Move down to number six and draft Monroe while picking up a nice young piece in the process (see Anthony Randolph).
3. I’d be OK with drafting Johnson only if we ended up with a premier PF in free agency (Boozer or Stat). This would be a risky move.
Gee, really...
You prefer Cousins…? We would have never figured… HAHA!! Its going to be fun, Thorn has everyone confused, there will be some wheeling and dealing today/night…
Whatever, we're all going to be better off shutting up about this and waiting a few hours to see who we finally do get
I think every single angle of every single prospect has been thoroughly examined by now
do you believe in dreams?
Dreamt we traded T-Will to Dallas for Nowitzki. (lol), If this happens I’m gonna start my own psychic hot line!
The Kings expect Derrick Favors and Wesley Johnson will be gone before them, and so starts the dominoes to set up the alignment of the draft lottery. The New Jersey Nets have Minnesota spinning now, unsure whether GM Rod Thorn’s interest with drafting Johnson over Favors is genuine or designed to be a rouse to elicit a draft pick out of the Timberwolves. The Wolves have long wanted Johnson, but if he’s gone, they would take Favors, the power forward out of Georgia Tech.
For New Jersey to let Minnesota have Johnson, league sources say the Nets want Minnesota’s pick at No. 23."
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ar7w8K5O3ozbbVJhlSDrjS45nYcB?slug=ys-draftbuzz062310
Attaboy Rod.
-Draft Wes at 3
-Trade him for Favors (#4) and #23
-Trade 27 and 31 for 18
Favors, Bledsoe, Sanders =]
Forget the #23rd pick
Force Kahn’s hand, and make him cough up Ricky Rubio.
You can smell the fear.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 24, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
MINN is going to flinch.
I cant believe i am saying this but i want to keep YI one more season. ’
If we get CP3 that means Lebron is coming. Guaranteed.
with what money?
If we get CP3 it means we took on Okafors horrid contract which would be 25+ million for both and Paul. Subtract Devins 9 million and lets say Lee’s rookie scale contract of 1+ million. Unless we get Humphries not to opt in that saves us 4 million. But why would he do that? He wouldnt get that else where. It would be pretty close, but then you`d be left with
CP3
Twill
LBJ
Okafor
Lopez
Great starting 5 but no money for a decent bench, and all teams that go deep in the playoffs need a bench that can contribute.
Hope it’s Yi’s last day as a Net. Dooling deal sounds very smart. In Rod We Trust. But who would take Yi? or Dooling? Unless we are giving them for free! Yormack is shaking.
Boston has been targeting Yi since he came into the league. They were going to take him with that draft pick they traded for Ray Allen if they couldn’t get Ray.
I'm sure after kicking the crap out of us the last few seasons....
….Boston is quite fine with Big Baby Davis, a better player than Yi.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 24, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Back and forth... back and forth...
Unbelieveable! Favors, Turner dropping, back to Favors, Cousins, Wesley Johnson, a trade for Chris Paul, Monroe in a trade down, Wes Johnson solidified, back to Favors, and still rumblings about CP3!
My gut tells me we don’t move and the pick is Favors.
Then again that Chris Paul potential trade sounds worth the risk if it’s for real…
My gut feeling
is that we end up with Monroe somehow. I still hope we take Cousins tho. Chris Sheridan says that he left Monday’s workout with the impression that DC has leapfrogged his way to the front of the line for No. 3.
My personal dislike for him aside, I don’t see Thorn taking a project like Favors (look at the precedents every time he’s selected in the lottery), nor Avery being interested in a player that raw.
Nets said...
Favors is not as raw as previously thought.
by rundmc00 on Jun 24, 2010 7:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd much rather roll the dice with Cousins than take Monroe
Cousins can be much better in the right surroundings, Monroe’s a role player
I dont care who we draft at 3
im more interested in the trades that will occur today and who we draft with the later picks…im hoping for an exciting draft day. stay put people lots oF rumors and deals should happen, like every draft. Go NETS!
Dobermite's Mock Draft and Nets Off-Season
TOP 5 MOCK
1. WIZARDS – John Wall, PG, Kentucky
2. 76ERS – Evan Turner, SG, Ohio State
3. NETS – Wesley Johnson, SF, Syracuse
4. T’WOLVES – DeMarcus Cousins, C, Kentucky
5. KINGS – Derrick Favors, PF, Georgia Tech
NETS LATE PICKS
27. Jordan Crawford, G, Xavier
31. Greivis Vasquez, G, Maryland
NETS FREE AGENTS
PF Chris Bosh
SF Rudy Gay
PF Qyntel Woods (Vet Min)
STARTERS
C Brook Lopez
PF Chris Bosh
SF Rudy Gay
SG Wes Johnson
PG Devin Harris
BENCH
Terrence Williams
Jordan Crawford
Gerivis Vasquez
Courtney Lee
Yi Jianlian
Qyntel Woods
Kris Humphries
SALARY DUMP TRADE
Keyon Dooling
Not a bad line up at all....
Bosh won’t come here though
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
I agree this line-up has no defense..
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
by silenthero07 on Jun 24, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Thorn and rumors
I think Thorn spreads the rumors about trades and moves just to keep the denizens of Netsdaily amused and unproductive at work.
We should try to get Albert Haynesworth from the Redskins too
by J-Kay on Jun 24, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a fat joke!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 24, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Chad Ford
is saying
Nets WILL select Derrick Favors…
whats chad fords record like when predicting pick in the past?
I'm pretty sure....
…that Chad Ford, and anyone else who’s been having our heads spinning the last few weeks, have absolutely no clue as to what they’re talking.
Sports Journalism is a beautiful profession if you can get your foot in there. Half of these make up stories or take something a source tells them and spins it wildly.
70% hype, 20% lies, 10% truth.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 24, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
What really really bothers me is this……..
Why did we not offer to trade the 31st pick to MIami for the 18th pick and Daquean Cook? Cook is off teh books next summer, is a young shooter (kid has won the 3point challenge All-Star weekend) and would be a great fit for a team needing a young shooter off the bench.
And at 18 we could have had Bledsoe. Seems like a small price to pay for our backup PG (and possible PG of the future).
Why are we discussing dealing the 27th and 31st pick to Boston for 19th when we could have taken the 18th while not giving up our 27th pick (Jordan Crawford perhaps) and gaining a proven NBA 3 point shooting threat on a 1 year deal? That is ridiculous.
Ryan -- it's all about cap space in Rod's eyes...
Not so sure I agree, but it is what it is. Taking on Cook’s contract and the contract of the 18th pick would be counter-productive to Rod’s current mission statement. Relax, the Nets are fine.
Something is really up and I'm hoping it's a good one
I don’t want to think what might have happen if we took the heats offer of MB for KD and what kind of players we could have gotten with the #18 and Daequan Cook.
by jasperjarrod on Jun 24, 2010 10:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ryan,
Even though I doubt we are going to get Lebron, but do you want to help Miami by taking Cook off their books?
If they can convince Lebron to come to Miami, they would be able to get Wade, Lebron, and Bosh. Do you want to be the team that helped them win all those championships?
Look – not sure if we have a legitimate shot at Lebron or not. I don’t think Lebron goes to Miami under any circumstances. I do think they get Bosh or Boozer to pair with Wade.
However, you have to ask yourself if signing Boozer, Amare, Bosh, Lee, etc is going to be beneficial for the future direction of the Nets. Does any of those guys put us into the champoinship mix? I think no. And would signing them actually hurt us going forward in terms of cap space that would possibly prevent us from resigning our young players or just be an albatross contract to a veteran who ends up out of rotation by year 3 of his deal?
I think signing any of those PF targets is a bigger risk than a potential benefit. I also believe firmly in using this year and next to rebuild and acquire the pieces to build a dynasty type roster. That is done thru the draft and smart trades. Never done via FA signings of max type players in late 20s.
I do think that we see the Nets take Johnson at 3 leaving Favors to Minny at 4 – with a previously agreed upon swap on the table – where the Nets will then swap Johnson with Favors for one of Minny’s picks in the 20s which would guarantee us Crawford.
My perfect draft day would have been to make that Miami deal (for 18th and Cook) and end up with the following:
3rd pick becomes Favors (plus MInny’s 23rd pick)
18 – Bledsoe (plus Cook for 31)
23 – Whiteside, Alabi or Crawford
27 – Crawford
Trade Dooling expiring contract to Miami for the 31st pick (clears even more cap space for Miami) and take Gallon
Buy 2nd round pick for Stephenson.
This then means we could go all in for Lebron in free agency and if we don’t get him we sit pat and let our young players develop under Avery Johnson and a strong assistant coaching network (I would bring back Roy Rogers as discussed earlier) to pair with Popeye, Sam Mitchell, etc etc.
Next year we would have the opportunity to deal our picks for the best SF in the draft and we would have a very young team in place to truly make a run in the playoffs – which would align us very well from a talent and cap standpoint to win a championship in 5 years (per Proky’s 5 year plan).
if we get either bledsoe or dominquie jones…we get a back up for harris…
Favors or Cousins are both back ups…
I like gallon but would he get PT?
Depends on a lot of factors. If we are unable to get rid of Humphries, I’m not sure if Gallon will be able to take minutes from Humphries right away, let alone the potential FA/#3 pick
T-Will can play 3 positions though, its very easy to find a spot for him on the court. Granted he’s a bit smaller than the prototypical SF, but he makes up for it with his leaping ability. T-Will and Crawford could definitely play at the same time, depending on who we’re playing against. Gotta avoid certain mismatches, but T-Will at the point could also provide a mismatch in our favor as long as the other PG isn’t too quick
The Day Has Finally Come...
I want the Nets to draft Favor, that’s my choice. But I would root for whoever we will end up getting. Even though Favors offensive game isn’t NBA ready yet, I believe that he can contribute on the defensive end. We will probably end up signing a PF during the Free Agency, and that player will probably start and Favor will come off the bench as he continues to develop in the next 2 or 3 years and than take over the starting position after that. For now I can see him playing both the 4 and some 5 if we he can put on some weight this summer.
I expect a lot of trades happening in the next 12 hours or so. This is going to be a crazy exciting day.
Today is the day
I am really hoping that Rod don’t screw around and try to over think. CP3 is too much of a gamble not to mention bring Okafor in as well. Just draft Favors and call it a day. I would love to get Bledsoe but I think he is going to be gone even if we did trade for the Celtics pick at 19. If we can get
Favors
Crawford
Gallon
I’ll be satisfied…
Rod is not going to bet the farm on a player that may be broken down within 2 years time.
He didn’t do it with SAR, won’t do it for Paul either. NO can go screw themselves
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 24, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Overall
Johnson or Favors at # 3 If they want Monroe trade down and pick an extra pick.
Pick up Jones or Crawford @ 27
Brackins or Gallon @ 31
It's all new
I just keep getting the feeling that we are going to make a mega trade where we move harris, lopez, and whoever we pick at 3 in a three team trade in which receive chris paul and maybe a pick and in which some third party will take on one of the hornets bad contracts in exchange for one of the above mentioned players that we’d be trading setting us up to get lebron and bosh in free agency
by downtownbrown77 on Jun 24, 2010 10:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i just really think
That many of us are going to celebrate the nets drafting favors but that he may then be gone in a blink of an eye…I still can’t pick a stance in this wild scenario
by downtownbrown77 on Jun 24, 2010 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rod Thorn wouldn't live past dawn...
…if he even dared to involve Lopez in any deal.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 24, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if it's just me but..
I think the Nets are going to sign two Big Names in the free agency..
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
I will go on record as saying barring signing Lebron in free agency or dealing for Carmelo I am against any moves dealing away young players on this team in a sign and trade for an Amare, Boozer, etc. That would be an absolutely unmitigated disaster and will end badly for this franchise.
Jayzes
This day has me shaking in FEAR! I hope ROD is taking tranqs to stay cool…trades our young core to MAYBE sign free agents I’ll absolutely destroy the man…somehow…Besides, we are in position to build an amazing product for 10+ years, going the FA route and discarding our core/top draft picks might kill the shelf life of whatever product ROD does arrange and give us like a 4/5 year window, instead of a decade! I just hope ROD is keeping cool…just go simple and steady…we are patient…we don’t need a winner tomorrow, we need a winner that will have a long span of success.
Only because this thread is titled "Expect the Unexpected"...
.. I will throw this scenario out. I know reports now have us set on Favors, but if we kept him, and got another PF, would we be stacked on that position and not have a backup Center? All the big men we could get later in the draft are all PFs.
SO, what if this would happen (this would be the first time I’d jump on the Cousins wagon). Draft Cousins at 3. Pick Crawford and Gallon late in the draft. When we get to FA, we get Bosh, and (hoping we dump Yi and Hump) get LBJ also. Cousins could play behind Lopez and share time with Gallon behind Bosh as well. I know this is a crazy scenario and probably a stretch… BUT could you imagine? And remember, anything is possible.
Harris TWILL?
Lee Crawford
LBJ TWILL
Bosh Gallon
Lopez Cousins
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