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The Sports Guy and Chad Ford talk draft, Nets, shoot down CP3 trade

sportsguy33: 

I'm on board with Wall going first - I think he'll be better as a pro than a college player. You could have MAYBE talked me into Derrick Favors here but his workouts/interviews were super-shaky, correct?

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

What's interesting is our fans are picking Minnesota overwhelming to screw up the draft -- but my Mock now has them landing Favors at No. 4. If they get Favors -- that's the steal of the draft. Combine him with Ricky Rubio at the point and Minn has a great young PG and a great young big man -- all under the watch of David Kahn.

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

 

Right. I think he's not a workout guy. Neither was Dwight Howard. That's interesting you love Favors now. You weren't a big Favors fan during the season. What turned you on to him?

sportsguy33: 

 

I watched that G-Tech team pretty closely and between the coach (horrible) and their guards (horrible) it made me wonder if any young frontcourt guy could have excelled on that team. Like his upside. There's some major Kwame potential with him though... that would be my concern. I still don't think he should go lower than 3 or 4 under any circumstances.

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Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

 

So, I'm a little stunned you took Turner at No. 2. I've got the third pick 

Russian Nets -- Derrick Favors

I'd like to thank Bill for handing the Nets their first franchise player since Jason Kidd left.

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sportsguy33: 

 

PS: The Kwame comparison scared me with Favors. Love him at No. 3, scared of him at No. 2. I can't shake the Kwame thing. And by the way, anyone who filled up a box score like Turner did in college is guaranteed to succeed as a pro... we should have learned that after Rondo

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[Comment From mike] 

Any chance the nets actually go with Wes? They have the money to sign Boozer, Bosh, Lee or Amare and I think all of them would be a better option than Favors

sportsguy33: 

 

Chad - you know better than me (on Mike's question). I can't imagine in a million years why the Nyets would take a small forward who averaged 16 points a game and turns 23 in July over an 18 year old kid with Favors' tools. Will Wes Johnson EVER make an All-Star team? I don't see it. Like him... but it's hard to imagine him ever being one of the top-5 small forwards in basketball. Favors on the other hand has that ceiling..

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

 

I do think the Nets are leaning toward Wes Johnson, Mike. I think they believe it will give them an edge in recruiting Carlos Boozer. But Boozer-Wes Johnson is a bit of a drop off from LeBron-Bosh. Not sure it has the sex appeal Prokhorov was going for when he bought the Nets.

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sportsguy33: 

 

Fourth pick for Minnesota... DeMarcus Cousins, possibly crazy power forward, University of Kentucky. Has to be done. This is a four-player draft, then it drops off. You can't take a need pick that high. Take the best player, then either move the pick or figure it out later... the difference between Cousins in 2010 and Rubio in 2009 is that Cousins can't just go to Europe...

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

 

Cousins, Al Jefferson, Kevin Love ... new nickname in Minnesota -- the Minnesota No Lifts

sportsguy33: 

 

Darko, Cousins, there's room for everyone! By the way - I think Kahn is smoke-screening everyone with this 4th pick and plans on taking Cousins. I don't believe him for a second. I don't believe any of these GMs. Why would they tell people what they're doing? Hey Chad - if you're the Pistons, and Cousins goes here, don't you offer the No. 7 pick and something else for Kevin Love?

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[Comment From Dave] 

anyone else see a large comparison between Cousins and Zac Randolph?

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

 

I think Cousins is the most interesting enigma in the draft. If GMs don't think he's a little crazy ... he goes No. 1, right? How many 280-pound, 6-11 big men who can score in the paint come along in the NBA draft? He's a lock to be a 20-10 man. But he scares EVERYONE. It's a terrible fit for Minnesota, both on the court and off the court. But, on talent, you're right, he should be the pick.

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

 

Cousins could be Moses Malone. He also could be Eddy Curry.

sportsguy33: 

 

Couldn't agree more. In THIS draft, I think he's worth the gamble at No. 4... although I'd much rather pick him and then trade him over keeping him. I think he could be great on the right team with the right infrastructure in place. Minnesota = not it. What teams would work for him, Chad?

sportsguy33: 

 

My top-4 candidates (in no particular order): New Orleans, Houston, Detroit, Utah.

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

 

Detroit would be the perfect fit for Cousins. They've been trying to move up to get him. Have been reluctant to part with Tayshaun Prince to do it. If I were Joe D, I'd probably pull the trigger. They are desperate for a big man and Joe D's done a good job handling guys like Rasheed Wallace.

sportsguy33: 

 

So we both agree that he CAN thrive in the right situation?

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

 

For sure. But could say that about almost everyone not named Wall or Turner in the Top 10. Right team, great career. Wrong team, out of the league in 3 years.

sportsguy33: 

Worst possible situations for him: Clippers, Warriors, T-Wolves... anyone else?

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

Memphis. Memphis. Memphis.

[Comment From Brendan] 

What about OKC for Cousins? Built a great young hard-working core there that has the ability to take on a personality like him. Of course, on the other hand Presti has built a team to stay away from that kind of player. Regardless, if anyone can take him on, it's gotta be them, right?


Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

 

OKC would be really good for Cousins as well.

sportsguy33: 

 

Presti has built that team pretty carefully... but the thing is, you can always get away with ONE head case. (As the Lakers just proved.) You can't have two, because they might start hanging out. But you can have one.

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sportsguy33: 

Chad, we're agreeing too much. But I agree. Monroe is another "on the right team, he could thrive" guy... fantastic passer, totally soft, disappears for stretches, good kid. I'd like to see him go to the Kings or Utah.

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[Comment From Briggs] 

So you both sound like you're not too big on Wes Johnson. What is your knock on him?

sportsguy33: 

My three concerns with Wes: Turns 23 in July (Acie Law Syndrome), averaged just 16 PPG (red flag) and I'm not sure he can create his shot off the dribble. Seems like a rich man's Rasual Butler to me (if Butler rebounded a little more). Hopefully this means he'll break up with someone who ends up on Basketball Wives.

sportsguy33: 

With the 6th pick, Golden State takes... Wes Johnson. Worst-case scenario: A very good bench guy. Best case scenario: a solid starting small forward who can make open 3's and rebound a little. I like him more than anyone else in this suddenly crappy draft.

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

I like Wes Johnson. He does one thing that is a predictor of success in the league ... he averaged nearly 2 steals and 2 blocks per game. That screams elite athleticism and perhaps a Josh Smith like career ... I'd take that with the sixth pick in this draft. Can we get back to Wall for a second ... because I think we short changed him. Any chance he can convince LeBron to sign in Washington D.C.?

sportsguy33: 

I don't see it. The LBJ scenario that intrigues me the most is this Chris Paul situation...

sportsguy33: 

Let's say LeBron's camp tells NJ: If you get Chris Paul, we're going there and we're bringing Bosh.

sportsguy33: 

At that point, if you're NJ, don't you offer the No. 3 and Brook Lopez + cap filler for Paul?

sportsguy33: 

Sounds like a lot, but if I'm ending up with LBJ, Paul and Bosh, f**k that, I'm doing it.

[Comment From diggs]  You'd have to offer Devin. Why have Paul and Devin?

sportsguy33: 

Then trade Devin (to, say, Indy for the No. 10 pick)

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

Here's the problem with that and why, if you were ever a GM, you'd have to hire me to help you make deals work. NO can't just trade Paul for cap space. They need a young All-Star and lots of cap space. If NJ trades them the No. 3 pick for Paul and Okafor (the bad contract) they don't have room for LeBron. Ditto for all of the other teams with cap space. It just doesn't work. So unless New Orleans says ... we are destroying our franchise ... it doesn't work.

sportsguy33: 

How is the No. 3 pick (Favors or Turner) plus Brook Lopez (one of the best young bigs in the league) "just trading Paul for cap space." Isn't that a gigantic haul?

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

Paul + Okafor = $25 million. Bye, bye cap space.

sportsguy33: 

Or what about a 3-teamer: Harris to Indy, No. 3, No. 10, Lopez and Yi's contract to NO, Paul to NJ?

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider:  No room left for LeBron ... and I didn't see your last post on Brook Lopez. I agree Lopez and 3 would be enough for New Orleans. But Nets are capped out.


Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

Someone still has to take Okafor and his $12 million he's owed next season.

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

Otherwise, the Hornets don't get enough financial relief.

sportsguy33: 

I have the Nets at $22 million for next year. Harris $9, Humphries 3.2, Yi $4, Williams $2, Lopez 2+, Lee $1.3... is that wrong?

sportsguy33: 

Seems like they could absolutely fit Paul-LBJ-Bosh in there. I do agree that NO needs to dump Okafor or Peja/Posey in any CP3 trade but if they could rebuild their team with Lopez, No. 3 and No. 10 I think they have to say yes to that...

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: 

It's a little higher with draft picks and cap holds. Let's say 26 million not counting the No. 3 pick.

sportsguy33: 

PS: Thought it was fascinating that CP3 admitted he was open to a trade today... I think he could be the swing guy for the Summer of 2010. He's tight with LBJ-Bosh-Wade-Melo from 2008 China.

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider:  Only way they dump Okafor or Peja is if they include CP3 in deal. That's whole point. New O doesn't want to trade Paul But they may have to if they can't find a way to get under the tax. Any team that trades for him has to take back $25 million and send no more than $10 million back. A combo of CP3-Okafor-LeBron will cost you $42.5 millon. No team has that flexibility.

 

 

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