Favors Unanimous Choice at #3; Crawford Moving Into #27
by Net Income on Jun 20, 2010 8:43 PM EDT
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PrintDerrick Favors comes to the PNY Center Monday to do battle with DeMarcus Cousins, but if the draftniks are right, he should check out the surroundings. It's his new home. In all 12 mock drafts surveyed Sunday night by NBA.com, Favors is the choice for the Nets at #3.
As RealGM's Christopher Reina writes, "Favors is as safe of a pick fit-wise as James Harden was at number three last year, except he has far more upside in an NBA lacking in big men. A combination of Brook Lopez and Favors has the potential to be scary good."
In past surveys, there's always been a holdout or two, but in this latest one, Favors joins John Wall at #1 and Evan Turner at #2 as draftnik locks.
As for the Nets' other two picks, at #27 and #31, thirteen different players get mentions. Xavier's 6'4" SG Jordan Crawford gets the most, but he gets only three. Others named in two mocks for either pick: UConn's 6'9" PF/SF Stanley Robinson, Kentucky's 6'1" PG Eric Bledsoe, Nevada's 6'4" PG Armon Johnson and Cincinnati's 6'6" SG Lance Stephenson, who comes in for a workout Wednesday.
- 2010 Mock NBA Draft Consensus - June 20 - Drew Packham - NBA.com
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But I thought Cousins could pay PF
He’d scare the heck out of Garnett, Dirk and Amare.
by rundmc00 on Jun 20, 2010 8:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Exactly...
Brook and Cousins cannot play together so you would be drafting a long-term back up center or trade chip at #3. Sounds dumb unless you really think Cuz is the next Moses Malone.
And Favors may be raw offensively but he is a good kid and knows the game. Sean was a jerk with a drug problem thayt played very little organized ball.
by rundmc00 on Jun 20, 2010 8:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
If Garnett, Dirk and Amare would stop working out, eat some cheeseburgers, put on a few pounds, up their body fat % by about 10 percent, and have a generally bad attitude – maybe they’d have a chance to be a HOF player like Cousins.
Those guys just aren’t NBA ready.
Cousins has the skills to play pf.. Ur right
by Andy. on Jun 20, 2010 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right he could stop NBAPFs in their tracks...
Do you really think he can defend PFs at 290, 14 percent body fat and can’t jump?
by rundmc00 on Jun 20, 2010 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He could def hold his ground. Some Posters have said it here and even coach cal has said it…NBA has to adapt to cousins. He’s that good.
by Andy. on Jun 20, 2010 9:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Put NO stock into what Coach Cal says!!!!
How many times am I going to have to say this…. He’s not exactly an unbiased party. He directly has something to gain by Cousins going higher, it helps his recruiting.
Hold his ground?
That’s what centers do. PFs need to chase guys like KG and Gasol all over the court.
You just don’t get it.
by rundmc00 on Jun 20, 2010 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He had the flu. Regardless, if you want to get that nitpicky, he can’t guard Dirk either. Hell, he can’t guard Jeff Green
yes
But Green could guard Cousins in the low post or box him out riiiiight? Who would win more from that match up??
Lewis is a waste of money for the Magic.
Great, so you double cousins when he gets into the low post and let him react with his .49 AST:TO ratio on his stacked team. Defense wins championships, not offense.
I’ll have to take your word for it, his assist:turnover ratio doesn’t make it seem that way, but I still maintain my point that its a proven fact that defense wins championships
I’m not saying making stops isn’t important, but talent will take over a game. And you can find defense elsewhere easily, no need to use the 3rd pick on it.
If Brook and Cousins play together...
Opposing PFs will destroy us. “Get defense from other places.” You mean Devin should guard the opposing PFs?
hahah your funny man…Yi can chase KG and Gasol all day. Can he guard them, no.
NBA is going to adapt to Cousins…Cousins has length (more then favors) and lateral quickness (more then favors) to disrupt players…
I want to see the skinny PFs like lewis, nowitzki, even bosh guard cousins, lol. Cousins will eat them alive man…
at Andy
even coach cal has said it…NBA has to adapt to cousins. He’s that good.
THIS.
It’ll be the opponents who will try to match up with us. And that’s a good sign, because winning teams force other teams try to match up with them, not the other way around.
But I thought Cousins could pay PF
That’s what Larry Riley thinks. If Thorn comes to that same conclusion, Cousins will be the pick. Iannazzone says MANY in the Nets staff (not a few, not some, MANY) believe Cousins is better than Favors, but that they want to see if he could play the 4, so if he impresses the Nets with his range like he did with the Kings, he will be the pick. Book it.
there are a lot of PFs who don’t play a lick of D, yet they keep being played at the 4. Would Cousins be a worse defender at the four than say Yi????
Yi should be out of the league too, is he really the best player to use for your example? At the very best he should be a role player, nothing close to a starter. So while Cousins would defend better than the worst defender in the league, that doesn’t make him an adequate defender by any means.
Amare can't defend anyone
He couldn’t in college, and he definitely can’t in the NBA.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 21, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatever, high school.
He couldn’t defend anywhere, period. That’s the point.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 21, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
My biggest fear
is that Favors is the next Marcus Phizer or Sean Williams. Thoughts?
by Alex F on Jun 20, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
you should be afraid of other things
by Net Income on Jun 20, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure about the Marcus Phizer comparison, but I sincerely doubt Favors will turn out anything like Williams. If you recall, Sean Williams was predicted as being freakishly athletic but somewhat of a head case that ran into consistent problems in college and was a bit of a gamble considering nobody knew where his ceiling was. We see now that Williams clearly did not have the build nor the discipline to be in the NBA. I think Favors has far more maturity, depth and talent in his game.
"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Sean Williams didn't play basketball for a year
and had a bunch of off-court issues and red flags, and really was much rawer than Favors at an older age.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Well ok
Now i feel a little better. But the biggest question is: can Favors play NOW? And if they take Favors, do you still go after a FA PF?
by Alex F on Jun 20, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
YES...
IF, we’re fortunate enough to get LBJ and say a real shooter/scorer (JJohnson) at the 2, FAVORS, can absolutely play, and will get better and better and better as the season goes on…
So, you may ask, but we may not get LBJ…? And my answer to that would be, if we don’t get LBJ, we will have to build and mature as a young team, and if everyone is right about his upside he will grow with everyone as a team, AJ will make sure of that…
He is the perfect pick for this team, outside of winning the #1 pick…
So then
You’re saying that we should not go after a free agent PF? Is Favors LeBron’s next (and way better) JJ Hickson?
by Alex F on Jun 20, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say...
we should not get a PF in Free Agency if we get Favors, that is correct. Why would we pay a PF MAX money to come here for 5 years, only to be replaced by Favors in year 2 or 3? That is wasted money. We need a shooter way more, and Favors would only have to play D and rebound early on, and if there are things that every expert says translates to the NBA game its rebounding…
Why would we need any more scoring if we were fortunate enough to get LBJ and Joe Johnson, with already having Lopez and Harris in our starting 5? Then we have CLee, T-Will, Yi, Hump, possibly CDR, plus drafts picks on the bench.
That to me, might get us very deep into the playoffs starting next season, and every year there after…
Ok
But does Joe Johnson take less than a max deal to come play here? And now that I see your argument I totally agree that adding a max FA PF wouldn’t make sense with the addition of Favors. You think Atlanta would do a sign and trade with us so that we could afford JJ? How about Hump + CLee/ CDR? Would that work?
by Alex F on Jun 20, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I did read a report that the new coach is going to go away from the constant JJ isos that he got accustomed to. That could turn him off staying. I definitely don’t want to give him a max deal
You forgot about them... they are going to be in big trouble.
I can hear Joe B now… (Oh the pain…)
I really don’t like the way the knicks put themselves in this off-season… dah well…
Not sure...
But, I think we would be wise to inquire… CDR really doesn’t mean much, but sending them Hump and CLee and maybe a future draft pick )perhaps the lesser of ours and GSW’s pick) would be assets I would give up.
Would ATL do it, hard to say, but they would get a worthy # 2 would could either start or play behind Crawford next year, and hump can back up Josh Smith, plus his contract comes off the books after next season, and CLee is only on his rookie contract, so he is very inexpensive.
We would definitley need to create more cap space to pull this off, but its worth trying to figure out how to do that, if JJ decided this would be a great opportunity for him.
Maybe not command it...
but he may get it nonetheless, that said, we only have roughly $26M at this point, so no matter what, we will need to create some space, because I don’t think we get JJ for a starting salary of $10M/year, I would imagine it would need to be closer to 13/14 starting salary… so we need to lose Hump and CDR to make that happen, because I don’t think they will let Yi go, in Proky’s first year of global marketing…
bingo
Yi ain’t goin anywhere. Unless we get Yao. I wouldn’t mind giving up Hump and Lee (although I like C Lee).
So now you tell me… is this 2010-2011 NBA Finals worthy team?
Harris
Joe Johnson
LeBron James
Derrick Favors
Brook Lopez
#27
#31
Yi
um we don’t have anyone else uh oh.
by Alex F on Jun 20, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
AND
two more draft picks, plus we can sign players to the Vet minimum to fill out roster, and YES, I believe if that team gels, we absolutely are a contender to come out of the east…
But why make that trade
for a fairly one dimensional player, who Atlanta may not even have the fund to resign? That’s giving up way way too much value in a sign and trade.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Giving up Hump and CLEE is too much value???
HOW?? And his one dimension is that he can shoot, which we NEED, no matter how bad his post season was this past year…
well because C. Lee can shoot
and actually defends, unlike Joe Johnson, so we’re basically giving them a younger cheaper less malcontent version of Joe Johnson. And because Atlanta has zero leverage if they’re not planning on offering him max. No one ever gives up value in sign and trades. We’d be doing them a favor.
And giving up Hump, CLee and future picks is giving up too much value.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Again
we can’t trade Humphries and we won’t trade Yi, and with Favors, that’s three PFs who will be on the roster who probably won’t be ready to start on day one. That’s why I’ve said let’s go after Haslem.
??
We can trade Hump as soon as he decides to trigger his option… And Haslem, is not worth what everyone keeps saying he should get paid, if he truly was, he would not have played BEHIND Beasly in Miami, I don’t care what anyone says… you guys give that dude, way too much props… He is tough, but that isn’t enough to lock him up for 3 or 4 years which he will want, NO THANKS!!
Perhaps...
But I would venture to guess that if that deal was on the table, we would make it, assuming we have LBJ… YYou may not agree, but that is very enticing, and I am just not sold on CLee’s shooting, as much as I am on his D, so I will give you that for sure… But its still a very enticing deal if it were an option, and I do think LBJ would feel a whole lot more comfortable with that starting 4 around him… and quite frankly, I would as well… Plus, I believe AJ will get guys to defend and buy in.
If the NBA allowed drafting out of high school
Favors would’ve gone #1 last year.
We need a PF. He’s a PF. He has the most upside of any PF since Amare.
There are bigger things to be scared of. Nobody can fault the Nets for drafting Favors, even if he turns out to be a bust, and Cousins becomes a dominant center and a rapper.
I’d be absolutely ecstatic if we came out of this draft with Favors and Crawford. I’m beginning to think we should go center with one of the later picks though, not sure who would be there. Kevin Seraphin is a prospect who interests me, obviously haven’t seen him play much and he seems like more of a PF, but he’s definitely interesting. Unless Larry Sanders falls to us, I don’t think theres much we can do center wise I guess
Prokhorov said in any business you need some luck
I really believe getting the #3 pick was exactly that luck. We don’t need a PG or a SG – we need a PF more than anything else.
And now we’re getting the best one in the draft, who would’ve been the #1 pick in the draft last year if they allowed HS players to enter still.
I think we look back on this draft and say THANK GOD we got the #3 pick.
Favors prob wouldve gone gone #1… but he is not now. Showing you that he hasn’t lived to expectations. Cousins was projected in mock drafts to be a late 1at rounder… I even saw cousins in the 20s at draftexpress. Cousins is a top 5 pick now. I want a guy who has worked hard to exceed expectations.
by Andy. on Jun 20, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cousins was projected to go low because of questions about his attitude
work ethic, desire, conditioning, focus, off-court issues etc, not because of a lack of talent. He didn’t move up because he magically got more talented. If you read any scouting report from before the college season you’ll see they say he’s one of the most talented players in the class, he moved up because his attitude has done a 180.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
at
Exactly. It’s funny that Cousins gets treated as if he was a lazy dog, but he progressed a lot this year, while Favors, whose great work ethic keeps being mentioned time and time again, didn’t live up to expectations coming out of high school. Oops!
I'm scared of Cousins first pro contract
Imagine guaranteed millions of dollars for couple years (that’s a lot of sandviches!), imagine all those girls wanting “to make out” and after all this “glory” you want Big Diesel… err Cuz to work hard? Hmm… I’m scared.
by Belarus4life on Jun 21, 2010 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Take a look at Favors statistical improvement throught the year...
Cuz’s stats show he was tired and fat ny year end.
by rundmc00 on Jun 21, 2010 6:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Think of 82 games...
Playing defense, chasing versatile PFs, playing hard on offense…
by Belarus4life on Jun 21, 2010 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Statistical farts in the wind
Cousins in his last three games went 9-10, 7-8, and 6-11 from the field. Remove the first round blowout of East Tennessee (which nobody cared about, since they dominated) and Cousins’s last five games – when he should be the most tired – he averaged 15.8 points and 9.6 boards on 72.1 percent shooting.
We can keep slicing and dicing criteria if you’d like.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Jordan is a flat out scorer
Ad I like him but we have clee, cdr and twill.. We need a pg like Dominique jones who can play pg and score the ball.
by Andy. on Jun 20, 2010 9:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We really desperately need another guy who can shoot. You can never have enough of those guys, look at Orlando for example. CDR can’t shoot. T-Will can’t shoot. We need a guy like Crawford
No, we need a three point shooter
and that is Crawford. CDR may not be here next week and is not a three point shooter. TWill is not a three point shooter (although he thinks he is).
This would mean twill would take over the back up pg role if we take crawford
by Andy. on Jun 20, 2010 9:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought Crawford was a scorer not a shooter.
Draftexpress gives a little of both
“A highly ranked catch and shoot player with or without a hand in his face, Crawford’s inability to draw fouls renders him as a below average finisher at .993 PPP.”
“Crawford struggled yet again in a supporting role, unable to play off of the ball and contribute without the ball in his hands. He must have the ball and attack the basket to be effective, which is not a good sign as he looks towards the next level.”
Seems a little inconsistent, would need to see him myself.
we're talking about #27 or #31
you’re not getting Dywane Wade. At best, you’re getting a role player. Only about one in six players taking in the 20’s make it as significant players in the NBA. For every one player who turned out to be great, another five turned out poorly.
If you look at who the Nets have drafted in the 20’s during the Thorn era, you’ll see that’s about right: Armstrong (lousy pick), Krstic (solid pick), Planinic (bad pick), Marcus Williams (looked good at times but never developed), Boone (average pick) Anderson (good but not great pick).
he sounds like CDR
but that being said wouldn’t being able to catch and shoot make him a shooter?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
CDR may not be here next week
We know that’d make you really happy, but hopefully it won’t be the case.
Did CDR pour sugar in NI’s gastank? I’m not a huge CDR fan, but this irrational hatred seems strange coming from a person whom I consider smart and level-headed.
by TWilliAM on Jun 21, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Personally
We need a backup center, backup PG, and a shooter. If we get two of those three in satisfying fashion on Thursday, I will be happy.
I just got the new ESPN mag with their mock draft
and they have favors going at #2 along with a quote from iggy about him, and Turner going #3 with a quote from devin about him.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jun 20, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
I saw that
Weird. I wonder who does this stuff for the mag. I know they’re separate entities but you would think this stuff would line up.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jun 20, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
Derrick Favors → The next Dwight Howard
Brook Lopez → The Next Tim Duncan
so we have the best two types of big men of this decade.
by Jarkid Shen on Jun 20, 2010 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And Terrance Williams is the next Jason Kidd
so we have the best pg. C.lee is the next Manu…
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
ha ha got a few laughs from net income’s comments on. What did Wes shoot from 3 this year like 50%? He’s probably the best shooter in the draft. Not suggesting him as our pick just trying to remember who shoots the ball well in this draft.
I like Jordan Crawford as a prospect for oe of our late picks. Esp if we could get him in the second round on the off chance we could pick up Bledsoe or another decent back up point guard or talent that might fall a little at 27.
Still think Cousins should be the pick.
Im nervous Favors could be the next Jordan Hill. With Cousins we know we’re getting a skilled player that has an offensive game and will pull down a ton of offensive boards.
yeah Hills more comparable to Hassan Whiteside
or Ed davis
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
which is also why Hill didn't go in the top 3-5
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Could be wrong
But from what i remember Hill didn’t exactly play Bball for that long. Favors might actually have more years of experience on him.
im not sure he was more polished at all
every report I remember talked about how incredibly undeveloped his post moves were. Coupled with the fact he was like 20-30 pounds undersized.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Having undeveloped post moves would not manke him any less polished
I remember he had a decent touch on his J.
I am worried that...
In addition to Cuz eating himself out of the league…
Brook plus Cuz has the upside of Jefferson plus Love.
by rundmc00 on Jun 21, 2010 6:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok so...
If Turner’s gone we go with Favors? But what if Philly takes Cousins and leaves us with Turner and Favors to choose from. Who do we take?
by Alex F on Jun 21, 2010 12:30 AM EDT reply actions
Favors doesnt seem to have the desire or mean streak i want from a pf. He seems like a laid back dude that takes what comes to him instead of grabbing for it. I want an enforcer beast type at the 4.
I rather have turner and throw money at david lee.
Favors doesnt seem to have the desire or mean streak i want from a pf. He seems like a laid back dude that takes what comes to him instead of grabbing for it.
+1
And Cuz will never be able to guard pf...
So you are drafting a permenant back up center.
Not happening.
by rundmc00 on Jun 21, 2010 6:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly power_njerz
thats exactly my point…Favors is too much of a nice guy and too laid back. Cousins is the better player now, they are only a year apart.
Of course i would prefer turner, but doubt he drops to us. There is no doubt that Cousins is the better player and I really dont want us passing on him .
+1
Favors looks like a pussycat compared to Cousins in terms of being aggressive. Again, check Favors’ performance vs Ohio St, biggest game in his college career, it raises some serious questions about Favors’ competitiveness.
Cousins is the better offensive player...
And Favors is the better defensive player RIGHT NOW.
So you want to draft a permanent back up center with the #3 pick? We would be better off with Johnson or Monroe.
And what will you say when 3 or 4 teams after #2 pass on the BPA? Obviously, you guys know more than the experts including NBA GMs.
by rundmc00 on Jun 21, 2010 8:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For a guy who "did not show improvement"
Favors was much better by year end against much better competition.
Cuz’s stats got worse as the year progressed and he looked tired and fat.
by rundmc00 on Jun 21, 2010 6:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
How many Kentucky games did you watch?
Cousins didn’t look tired or overweight (at least more than he already was) near the end of the season. He was getting triple teamed on most looks in their final game and he still put up a 15-8.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 21, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't know I needed to reply to you...
Just pointing out MY overall opinion about Cousins and how in MY opinion it translates to the NETS…
....You replied directly to my comment
Without addressing what I said.
And now, you’re addressing what I said….but not replying to my comment.
Forgive my confusion.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 21, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
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