Did Thorn Turn Down Dooling for Beasley?
by Net Income on Jun 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT
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PrintJason Smith of ESPN Radio's "NBA Today" podcast reports that an NBA general manager told him the Heat offered Michael Beasley to the Nets for Keyon Dooling and "Rod Thorn turned them down". Smith described Thorn's decision as yet another indication of how badly the Heat want to get rid of Beasley.
However, a look at the two teams' salary structures show that it may be more about cap space. Beasley is scheduled to make $4,962,240 next season while Dooling is only owed a $500,000 buyout on his $3,828,000. The Nets have a team option on Dooling exercisable June 29. So taking on Beasley would have reduced the Nets' cap space by nearly $4.5 million. It would have made the Heat much more competitive in free agency this summer as well, giving them more than $25 million to spend...as well as Dwyane Wade.
The Heat declined comment on the report.
- NBA Today on ESPN Radio (Audio) @10:00 - Jason Smith - ESPN Radio
- ASK IRA: Did Heat offer Beasley for Dooling? - Ira Winderman - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
- The Nets Didn’t Trade Dooling For Beasley? That’s Smart. - Sebastian Pruiti - Nets Are Scorching
- Oh, how the stock of Michael Beasley has fallen - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
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Wow! Talk about desperate!
Is Beasley a Leper and the rest of us don’t know it? And based on the economics, it STILL seems like it was a good deal.
yeah this
I don’t really see how there’s any financial justification for turning it down. unless they’re planning on not signing a back up pg and going into the season with the fragile harris and the unproven T-will, who we also may need to play the 3 position as their pg options.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Beasley may be more of a distraction to the Heat than we already know
and Thorn doesn’t like players that are distractions. I guess we’ll never know.
Yeah that's the only explanation I can think of
he must literally be a cancer.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
No, there is another explanation I will explain below, if not done already.
I used to thing getting Beasley cheap was a good idea. Not anymore.
If this report is accurate, it makes you wonder why make this offer to the NETS? Why Dooling?
Well, you could say that it’s about Dooling’s buyout of only $500K, so it’s all about CAP space.
However, why Dooling? Can’t they find another team with another buyout contract or expiring contract?
MAYBE the Heat are hoping that the NETS will be so tempted to take Beasely, especially with the 12-70 season and lose track of the goal of being a major player in the free agency.
The NETS need all the CAP space to show to all their target free agents that they have this much money to spend on other free agents and perhaps sign and trade scenario to suround him or them with the supporting casts that they need.
Thats basically it. This move proves without a doubt that Thorn expects to buyout Dooling.
I had actually suggested the Dooling trade earlier, but didn’t think Miami would take it straight up, without a draft pick.
Nets of course can get 1 Max FA and possibly one near max FA like DLee (and easily RGay), by buying out Dooling.
But also, it could hurt Nets if they help out Miami to clear out cap space. Miami is a team that could possibly get TWO MAX FA besides DWade, if they clear enough cap space. That is what DWade “SUMMIT:” is about. If Miami fails to have enough cap space, then there is more chance that Amare comes to Nets, and even a chance that DWade comes to Nets. Wade could be that surprise that Proky is talking about. Imagine Cousins, DWade and Rudy Gay!
I am pretty sure that Cousins would be a better draw for DWade than Favors.
Lineup:
Lopez
Cousins
RGay
DWade
Harris.
TWill,CLee and Hump off the bench
Devin would get like 13 assists each game if Avery was his coach.
That WOULD be an elite team. I can see DWade seriously considering this, since it would probably be better than any team he could have in Miami.
Only thing is that I don’t think DWade is as serious about winning as LeBron.
Wow...
We can’t get 2 max players anyway even by not taking on Beasley so why, why, why? If anything he will be a nice piece in a sign and trade…does Thorn know of a pre-arranged deal?
If Thorn really did turn down
that deal, he’s more senile than I thought he was. Trading a PG with a bad hip for a young PF former lottery pick. Worst case, he doesn’t mature and he sits on the bench. Best case, he’s a legitimate scorer off the bench who can play the 3, 4 or 5 spot.
Please correct a typo in the article. It would save the Heat 4.5m in cap space, not the Nets.
I'd rather have a veteran point
Than Yi/Delonte West 2.0 hybrid. Having Beas sit on teh bench would just be a bad look fo rthe team .
by Casiano's Evil Twin on Jun 2, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Delonte....
….puts the “f” word in the term “mother……….”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
was that true?
I heard about it and read about it on TMZ… i do not know how reliable that is, but was it? Cause that is pretty messed up :/
it was never confirmed
but huffington post cited a espn interview with Calvin Murphy in which he said it absolutely happened. Then again, this man was in trouble for molesting his own family members.
Plus this…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/18/lebron-james-mom-delonte_n_579877.html
But Delonte is a clown so you never know.
You don't want Beasley if they are giving him away
why should we take their dead weight, he crumpled in the playoffs, can’t play any D, we already have Yi.
Yi is the answer to riddle
Rod knows that he cannot acquire anyone who is better than Yi at the PF. Marketing first!
But aren't we going to have to sign a back up pg anyway
so it’s not like we’re actually saving all that money since some of it is going to have to go towards paying for a pg or reupping Dooling.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Aside from smoking pot...
….what is this kid’s issues? Is he really a bad apple?
We could use him because we are weak in the frontcourt, and a change of scenery might help the kid out. Tsk @ Thorn, but I suppose we need every free cent that we can get.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
excuse me, "what are"
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's so much as he's a bad apple as he's been pretty disappointing as a basketball player
Not really as strong a rebounder as he was in college, only grabbing 6 boards a game as compared to his former 12. Not as good of a scorer either only at around 14 ppg. Not much of a defender either. But I think the potential is still there
yeah but I think if they were willing to give him away
someone would have taken him on if there wasn’t more to the bad apple thing.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
wow, talk abouts senile
The last rumour I heard was that the heat would give beasley away for nothing as long as teams would take on james jones and cook. But this, I don’t even like beasley but I can’t think of any reason besides stupidity to pass on him for free. We’re not gonna need that extra cap anyway, and the fantasy of 2 max players makes me sick. A+ as always thorn.
by demens on Jun 2, 2010 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how about the sf position?
or the bench? Like someone else said right now our front court depth is: Yi, Hump, Boone…not exactly inspiring. Even if we can be better it doesn’t hurt to add a guy who is better at a low cost, since it won’t be preventing us from acquiring other power forwards.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Put money on it
I would bet anyone that we’re not gonna use that $4.5 mil in cap for anything better then Beasley if we even use it at all. #2 pick, 2 years in the league on a rookie deal. I dont care if he was Satan himself, getting that for cap is ROBBERY. Ohh and he actually is 21 unlike a certain somebody on our team that cant realize his potential either. Somebody stop Thorn before he does Isiah damage to this team.
i don't really want beasley
but the fact that Thorn turned the deal down before doesn’t mean its still on the table this summer. It doesn’t make sense to make a hasty move on this deal given that we really want to exercise our options this summer.
We can be crazy on this board sometimes.
once FA begins it will be off the table
or whenever the option deadline is
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I dont want Beasley either, but i'd take him for nothing
I’m pretty sure that deal is already off the table anyway.
no Miami is still actively trying to clear space
by any means necessary.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
No, it proves that Thorn hopes to use the cap space.
LeBron/DWade or possibly Amare with DLee and RGay as the 2nd FA.
And as I explained above, by hurting Miami, that helps Nets.
This is also about preventing Miami from becoming too attractive for top free agents.
hmmm
Even though Dooling seems to be a leader on this young team the Nets should have taken that deal. I think beasley will develop into a good player.
I think this was stupid
I mean, as much of a disappointment Beasley’s been, you can’t deny he’s still got potential as a scorer. And to turn that down for 5 million in cap space? Are we really gonna use up every drop of our cap space this summer? Really? No freakin way.
I'm surprised at you
You usually don’t go for players with character issues. I don’t think this is about money.
or cut him mid year
if the cost is only dooling.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
They think so...
If you take that contract you are practically handing the heat LBJ and another good player that they can sign.
LBJ will not play with Wade
Not only that, there has never been anything remotely close to a team signing 3 MAX players.
You could just imagine what a headcase this guy must be.
The Heat can’t give him away. He must have graduated from the same school as Swat called Lost In Space.
Well...
….maybe there’s something already in the works, which is why Rod didn’t want to use up that cap space
I’m just guessing of course. Knowing Rod, there is probably nothing in the works.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Thorn must believe he's got a shot at 2 free agent splashes
Otherwise this deal would be a no brainer.
But Thorn wants the cap space, doesnt want to reduce it by nearly 5 million. Thorn is probably pretty desperate himself to jettison Humphries and/or Yi, and maybe Devin Harris depending on how things play out.
I think they are still going after Lebron and some other player, I wouldnt be surprised if they throw a boat load of money at Phil Jackson to make it happen. All those rumors of the tens of millions they were going to give Coach K…..I don’t see why the same would not be true of Phil Jackson.
Gonna be an interersting summer.
Yup
I am right there with you. It seems that there are different ways to go about this. Also… what FA wants to play with him on the team. Talk about image. Wade will tell every top tier FA what kind of a player Beasley is and they really won’t play for the Nets. Also, you want a good coach to take on that luggage as well. Even if it is Phil Jackson (who I stated that I want to coach this team) or Avery (my next choice). You still trying to look respectable as well as being marketable to the prospects… not showing them a headache already… we have CDR… good enough.
I doubt Phil Jackson is even under consideration.
I doubt if he would be necessary to sway LeBron. Avery would be a different kind of coach who LeBron would be attracted to anyway. Maybe LeBron likes Jackson tomorrow and doesn’t care either way the day after tomorrow.
I can’t see Thorn holding off hiring Avery, if terms are in order. Otherwise there would be real possibility of not having any coach, since 99% chance that Jackson isn’t interested in Nets or East Coast or more money.
Personally...
I think this is a good move. Beasley is similar to Yi in that he is a faceup 4 who would rather shoot/drive than post up and play inside 10 feet. Beasley has never shown me that. Brook needs someone who can play in the paint with him, Brook has the outside/inside game and if you pair him up with someone who could do the same (Bosh/Dirk/Amar’e) this team is really dangerous. Thorn turned it down because the Nets are either drafting a 4 who will be on the roster for a cheaper salary or he is going to go after 1 in free agency aggressively.
Also, why give the Heat more cap space so they can take other FAs from us?
by SebastianPruiti on Jun 2, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I am on the fence about this one.
On paper this trade is a no brainer. Clearly, this has nothing to to do with Beasley. Yeah, The kid is talented and he has had a problem with adapting, but the real reason why the Heat want to trade Beasley. Beasley doesnt fit with their 2010 plans. They need cap space to sign as many FAs that can help Wade win.
IMO the only reason Thorn didnt do this is because THE NETS dont know what is going to happen with FAs themselves. Nets want as much cap space as the MIA have. The second reason why IMO is maybe another deal comes up that is better.
Question: Can this deal be revisited later when FAs say they dont want to come to NJ?
no
the point for Miami was to be able to opt out of Doolings contract and gain cap space, once free agency begins they’ll only be able to swap Beasley for a player of equal cost and won’t have the ability to opt out of any contracts to gain the cap space since all options would have had to have been picked, so the cost stays on for another year for the player to be traded.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I have to agree with Thorn on this one
Beasley is complete trash and this would not only have allowed the Heat to become bigger players in the FA market but we would be significantly hurt in FA. I want nothing to do with Beasley and there is a reason Miami is so desperate to dump him.
we wouldn't be significantly hurt
since the 4.5 million isn’t going to make a difference as far as whether we can sign a second max and since we’re going to have to fill out other roster spots anyway more than likely it will go toward a player with less upside than Beasley.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Thorn is looking into ways to shed more salary to get the necessary space for a run at 2 max players. This is probably going on at the same time Miami made this offer.
Unless we move Harris and get nothing in return
I don’t think there’s anyway it’s accomplished.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Also like others have written about
signing two max FA’s really isn’t as cracked up as it’s made out to be.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Never thought I'd say this
but Yi may have more of a chance of reaching his potential over Beasley. Good move Thorn!!
Do you remember what Beasley did to Yi?
Toasted him completely
the 4.5 mil
would cut into the 2nd player we would sign IF we max’d out 1. Example being Amare(max) and then Gay 10-12mil.
We already don't have the room to make that offer
plus we’re going to have to use a mid level or something to fill out the rest of the spots anyway, like y’know a back up pg which is what Dooling is. Which would come to the same cost.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
If Humph decides
not to come back we would have i believe between 26-27 mil and would be able to make that offer.
Yeah but there's almost no chance that happens
like someone said above if anything bringing in Beasley would make him more likely to opt out.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I still believe Thorn
will look to move Yi to free up that extra $4mil. We have tons of options and Beasley is just a guy I wouldn’t want for this rebuilding process.
by NetsKiNG on Jun 2, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nets won't have a midlevel exception...
… those are only granted when a team is over the cap at the start of the free agent season.
Not possible anyway
4.5mil will be wasted, you’ll see.
its still a move that we could regret...
i’m sure they weighed the pros and cons of taking beasley before they said no. If they think they can do better with their money and not help the competition in the East, why not???
we’re trying to make a splash.
and the money owed to beasley
won’t make a difference in this hypothetical splash. If they actually did something stupid like signing 2 max’s how do you expect them to fill out the rest of the roster anyway? They’re going to have to spend similar type money on players with less upside than Beasley regardless. And this team doesn’t need to make a splash, a team like Miami needs to make a splash to keep Wade, we need players and depth not a splash.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
And Beasley is such a player...
… the Heat want to dump him for nothing?
If you do this deal, then
Hump probably doesn’t pick up his 3.5m option because he would get no playing time. Then the cap space argument is diminished. You folks do realize that our frontcourt depth chart after Brook Lopez is Yi, Hump and Boone?
Boone is essentially no longer a Net unless small chance they pick him up as a cheap signing in August.
Even if Nets took Beasley, Humps might have to accept his option if he didn’t have an expected offer.
I think I would rather have Hump off the bench than Beasley. Would be nice to have a Combo Forward though.
However, there is something not right with Beasley. Could be problem in locker room.
LOL
There could be a method to this madness at the present time. I’ll with hold judgement until I see what happens next, but if we go into the season and this looks like a deal that could have really helped us, cap space be damned, I’ll definitely bring this back up.
Right now though, lets hope we can beef up our frontcourt and re sign dooling on the cheap.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
why?
this kid has a soiled reputation. the heat want him gone. Let the summer unfold before making your judgment about Thorn.
um so we should ignore the last 8 years of thorn?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Dooling wants to comeback here too
He has said that he figured his contract would be bought out come FA but would love to return.
He is loved over at WFAN and wants a career in broadcasting once his NBA career is over.
I think it is more not wanting to deal Keyon because they want him back at a less salary type deal then asadding Beasley, letting Hump Opt out, and sign dooling once Miami cuts him.
There has to be more involved here.
Won't know until around August of Dooling's excepted health for next season.
By then Nets should know how much they have to spend. If Dooling is a small health risk they could certainly offer Vets Min if he didn’t have other offers.
I might have taken this
The lack of defense, average play, and mental problems make me as cautious as Thron, though.
The Vibe I get out of Miami on Beasley
And the one thing not really being said about the “bad apple” -ness, is serious Drug issues. I think Beasley got sucked big time into the Miami nightlife, and his problems are totally drug related.
“Attitude” in the NBA often is code for “drugs”.
Its amazing that people were seriously debating Beasley and Rose not long ago. It shows you how important “attitude” can be.
pot???
I would wager that 75% of the league smokes pot. It has to be more than just weed.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
unless...
….he’s fallen into that Miami scene and is snorting stuff so potent that it’ll have your nose bleeding within seconds. Now that, is a serious concern. But stuff about pot or him being gay, meh.
Beasley to me, seems like a guy that is naturally talented and doesn’t work hard on his craft.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is MDB, he was a number 1 pick kinda guy
And now you can’t give him away despite the contract being still okay. The GMs of the league know something, and they won’t touch him.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah unfortunately I think this has to be right
there’s no other explanation. Even if Thorns a moron its unlikely all 30 some gms are also morons.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Every single GM in the league with at least 5 million of cap space or some sort of trade exemption. Miami only wanted Dooling so they could buy him out for 500k. The insults of Thorn keep coming but I would not bet against this man. He is one of the most respected senior members of the NBA, is as competitive as anyone out there, and has a strong background on big picture issues. I’m glad we have him for this type of offseason.
a strong background on big picture issues?
like overpaying for RJ and VC, and drafting horribly?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
He has drafted about average, you can take just about any GM and make him look bad by naming draft picks that did not pan out. Yea he probably overpaid RJ and VC but you conveniently leave out the fact that acquiring them were pretty genius moves by his part, both in lopsided trades. When he realized the team wasnt working out, he promptly traded VC and RJ and got decent hauls back, the contracts did not kill us in retrospect. Obviously there is the Kidd trade, changing the culture of the organization, etc. Please stop bad mouthing Thorn, its getting pretty ridicoulos, and I am someone that recognizes his flaws, but to go so over the top and openly mocking him is absurd.
What picks did he make as gm that did pan out?
K-mart and ??? I think he’s a great executive and a guy you want as a team president, but I also think he’s a terrible talent evaluator.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
KMart, Collins, Krstic were good picks, Lopez, Anderson, CDR were good picks, Kiki was around then but the buck stops with Thorn, he has the final say. RJ wasnt a draft pick per se, but Thorn obvioulsy recognized RJ was the guy he wanted in that draft and was able to get him plus a couple extra first rounders, not bad. Boone was an OK pick, Marcus Williams didnt pan out but he had a lot of talent, in our situation at the time most GMs would have done the same. I think the truly bad picks he made were Antoine Wright, Brandon Armstrong, and Planinic. As I said earlier, I think he is excellent at the big picture items, average talent evaluator. No one is perfect, he is probably a cut below Buford and Morey but I will take Thorn. My biggest beef with him is his tendency to go with veterans in free agency that may be past their primes. Thorn is better than most GM’s out there.
I agree he's better than most gms out there
but I think in our current situation a talent evaluation is premium. More than anything we need to absolutely hit on our next two drafts.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I wouldnt be so sure we will be defined by the next two drafts, free agency and trades and hiring a coach may be the bigger keys. And in this draft, we will have to wait and see, but if you ask every GM in the league which is the better pick, Favors or Cousins, you might get a 50 50 split. These draft picks are a bit of luck, no one knows for sure how they will turn out. I would like to get a good player with one of our two lower picks, but I doubt it would define us one way or the other. I’d rather have a GM that understands the big picture like Thorn, than a GM like Isiah Thomas who is actually a terrific talent evaluator, but so little understands the big picture that he drives a franchise down into the dirt.
If we actually lock up all our cap room on free agents
like’s being suggested we’re going to end up back in a similar situation like we were with Kidd, RJ and Vince, where we have no money to fill any holes and HAVE to hit on draft picks to fill them, which is where that team really fell apart when we got almost no production from draft picks for like 5 straight years until it was blown up. If we really do lock all our space into long-term contracts than talent evaluation and the draft is going to be even more important.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
This is why
I suggest that with 3 we get bench players (Favors or Cousins), by signing Amar’e. It gives us “bust” protection, and lets them grow at ease.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And if they dont bust then what
2 year later you have a young 21 year all-star PF/C dying to break out but cant get more then 20 minutes on your team. Do you trade him? Or do you trade the overrated overpaid stat machine you dont as your BIG FA signing, who gonna have ohh i dont know, something like 3 year 55 million left on his deal. Can you say Elton Brand?
THAT would be an amazing problem to have
In the case of Cousins, if the guy is 21 years old and has become dominate, let him push BOTH Amare and Lopez for minutes. That would be wonderful. It would be the best 3 man rotation PF and C in basketball.
In the case of Favors, the line up could go big, but again, a great problem.
The big problem would be if whomever we chose busts, and we don’t have firepower on the team to accommodate for it.
i don’t trust either of those guys.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And Amar's not Elton Brand.
Elton was doing it with mirrors and girth. The guy is Big Baby with longer arms.
Amare is a dominant, dynamic player. With blemishes, but Favors should dream of growing up to be Amare.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Brand wasa 20/10 PF 3 years ago
Then he got hurt. I believe he was 27 or 28, exactly what Amare is now. Considering the type of contract Amare wants, he might be just as “Untouchable” as Brand 2 years from now, thats not an amazing problem to have in any way.
He was 20/10 on the CLIPPERS!
Hello?
And he simply did not have the same game as Amare, plain and simple. He had a very nice post game, a big ass can, and very long arms.
And anyone you sign can get injured. As someone else pointed out Bosh wears a huge knee brace. Hell, it would be just like the Nets to sign Lebron (MIRACLE) and he blows his knee out.
by kv on Jun 3, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what 20-10 on the clippers
has to do with it. If anything playing on a crappy team should make it harder. Plus he was 20-10 when they made the play-offs and he was 20-10 with chicago too.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Yeah, he did not have the same game as Amare at all.
He actually replied on a bit of skill rather then a jumper and athleticism.
You are right
Amare has no skill, despite the fact that there isn’t an NBA team he would not be starting for.
by kv on Jun 3, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They are...
…practically trying to give this kid away. Something is wrong.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
They have Wade
Its not totally unlikely they will attract Bosh/Amare/Boozer and be the only team with 2 Max guys. Veterans would actually be willing to come take pay cuts to play there so they could put that $4.5 mil to better use in win now mode. No other team is in a position to sign 2 guys like that, not Nets, not Knicks, not anyone.
if miami wants to move him this badly
there’s no way we’re the only team they’ve approached. the fact he hasn’t been moved means no one must be willing to take him on.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Beasley/cocaine?
Just what the Nets need, another cast off to the “Isle of Misfit Toys.” Who’s he gonna replace, Rudolph?…(sniff, sniff)
Lets not bring Cousins into this
Oh, excuse me….I thought when you said Major talent, doesnt work hard….ah…nevermind.
Pot is what has been talked about. I wouldn't be surprised
if there is something far more serious.
Ever notice that nobody in the NBA has a cocaine problem?
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a Stern-ism
In the 80s into the 90s cocaine was a serious problem for the NBA and some of its best stars succumbed to it (woolridge, richardson anyone).
But it wasn’t just a drug problem, it was an image problem. Cocaine and the NBA became associated in the public mind.
Now, look how brilliant and powerful David Stern is, he has eliminated almost ANY association of the word “cocaine” and the NBA. At least in terms of image the entire NBA has been cured of cocaine addiction.
Yes there is testing, but there is something else. Do we honestly think all these young rich dudes in Miami and LA and NY aren’t doing coke all night at the club?
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
….like, and someone please correct me if i’m wrong, Chris “The Birdman” Anderson got knocked for snorting powder, but the NBA gave him a wicked suspension but never released to the media info about the nature of the drugs that he was using. The word must be out on Beasley and it might be a matter of time before he gets hit by the league too. He could be using extasy.
I suppose the NBA has a zero tolerance policy towards coke. Can’t say I blame them after the 80s, where a runny nose was just as commonplace as a jeri curl.
Never saw the appeal of coke, especially with athletes. If Beasley does have a habit, that’s just something that further masks the serious issues that are going on inside of that kid. Maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to toss Rod under the bus.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Stern is a 100% about appearances.
I believe the word “cocaine” is under extreme restriction when it come to discussing the drug issues of players.
I don’t know about the zero tolerance, but suspect that the zero tolerance is entirely an image-based thing. If the public finds out about it, you are slammed. If it doesn’t, well…
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't recall
…..the public finding out that the Birdman was a junkie until he got banned from the NBA.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you honestly feel that no nba player is doing cocaine?
It was not public yet, but Birdman was a mess:
“But in the summer of 2005, the Birdman’s wings got clipped. He and his girlfriend split. He and his mother stopped speaking. His New Orleans home was ravaged by Katrina. The Hornets relocated to Oklahoma City, and Andersen arrived 20 pounds overweight, bulk that caused shin splints and blunted his energy. He doesn’t use this as an excuse—he knows he still had it better than most people—yet lonely, displaced, injured and underperforming, Andersen became a fixture in Oklahoma City’s watering holes. Soon he moved beyond alcohol. He won’t reveal which drug was in his system, but, as he puts it, “Let’s just say all that [excess] weight went away.”
With one sensationally bad choice (his most serious offense till then had been being late for practice), Andersen lost his job and the roughly $12 million left on his contract. Yet when he learned of his positive test, he felt like anything but a man condemned. “I was torn up emotionally, but I realized it was time to make a drastic change,” he says, his voice catching. “I could’ve ended up killing myself.”
Description of the policy:
“Under the current program, all players are subject to random testing for banned substances during the pre-season period, rookies are subject to random testing three times during the regular season, and all players are subject to testing for reasonable causes at any time.”
And from the policy itself:
If the NBA or NBPA receives information that provides reasonable cause of a player’s use, possession or distribution of a prohibited substance, the NBA or NBPA will request a hearing with the other party and the Independent Expert within 24 hours of the receipt of that information. At that hearing, the Independent Expert will decide whether reasonable cause exists, and if it does exist, will issue an authorization for testing. After an authorization for testing is issued, the NBA will arrange for testing of the player four times during the next six weeks.
If the NBA or NBPA believe that there is sufficient evidence of a player’s use, possession or distribution of a prohibited substance, the matter may be taken directly to the league’s Grievance Arbitrator. If the Grievance Arbitrator determines that the player has used or possessed amphetamine and its analogs, cocaine, LSD, opiates or PCP, or has distributed any prohibited substance, he will be dismissed and disqualified from the NBA.
Notice, what drives whether a test occurs is a “reasonable cause”. It seems quite likely to me that a “reasonable cause” = “likelihood to become public”.
We didn’t hear about Birdman, but locally his abuse was well-known, apparently. I’m sure that Miami has been messaging Beasley’s “attitude” and “pot” problem for quite a while with Stern.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure that there are...
….quite a few that like to powder their nose
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 3, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Business
This HAS to be a strategic move by Thorn to save cap space. We’ve never had issues about taking a “fallen angel” in the past. Beas was the #2 pick, played 2 yrs in the league and is 21. His averages are ok, but he’s shown that he can score and rebound when at his best.
The main reason..
…i am intrigued by the possibility of adding “Super Cool” is also due to the way he annihilated Yi when he became the #1 option on offense(after Wade got injured). The kid was a complete beast on the block, i was sort of surprised.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah in a game the heat were pretty much actively trying to lose
to improve their play-off spot.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Yi...
…had 23 and 15 in that game you’re talking about. That was the game in April. But, I’m talking about the game played in February where Wade went down early with a calf injury, and Miami ran Beasley as the number 1 option, and in the words of Al Ianazzone:
Yi Jianlian struggled defensively on Michael Beasley
and posted 9 and 9 against him. I’m not using this as a bash Yi post, but Yi got his rear ended busted by Beasley that night. Yi definitely played well in the last game though.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No way, Beasley might not “care” or whatever, but Yi blows assignments like it’s nobody’s business. He makes the whole team laughable, Miami had a good defense last year, even with Beasley in
Top is Beasley, bottom is Yi
Numbers speak for themselves.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's from MySynergySports
Sebastian Pruiti did a piece on why passing on Beasley was a good idea.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
but i mean are those statistics for players publicly available
or did he just show them for the specific right up
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Not publicly available, you can buy an account
I have one by nature of being awesome.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad we couldn't do Yi and Dooling for Beasley
Would of been a wash salary wise but probably would of had to find a team that could take Yi (would either have to be under the cap, an expiring contract or a trade exeception)…..
SMH
If this is true, it is a ridiculously stupid pass
Beasley will be very good in the right situation.
Starting for the Heat
living in South Beach, and playing alongside Dwayne Wade sounds pretty good to me.
living in South Beach probably is the problem
I’ve heard Newark is purgatory, so clearly he would have been fine here.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Lol
I can’t see Beasley failing in Miami and then coming to NY and being killed by the media..just wouldn’t work.
I don't think the media really cares about the Nets enough
to kill anyone.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
plus all that pot he apparently smokes
should help him relieve the stress created by the media.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
by Gina on Jun 2, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand why not to do this move (cap space), but
I would have preferred doing this deal then signing big FAs not named Lebron and Wade MAX contracts.
Beasley would have flourish without the pressure of being Robin on a team that had NO Green Arrow, Green Lantern, The Martian, or any lesser level Justice League member. Stress can really kill you.
On this team he wouldn’t have to worry about that. He would just have to play.
Harris, Lee, Twill, Beasley, Lopez with the #3 pick, whoever is it is, and more draft picks would have been fine with me.
Beasley
Beasley Just did a stint in rehab. He is a really bad drunk. When i see him, i don’t see him putting down the bottle.
bOOze
Bease is on the Booze. Now it makes sense.
He’s better off smoking pot.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 2, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Miami will add a draft pick to make it tempting.
However, Miami is unloading Beasley so that he can do better in Free Agency, which in turn could backfire on Nets.
I don’t think Thorn will do it.
Besides, Cousins and Beasley may not work well together on the court or in the locker room.
Wow
…is all I can say. Well, maybe not all. Beasley said that he was not mentally ready for the NBA before he declared for the draft and then proceeded to prove it over the past two years. He drifts through games only showing glimmers of his tremendous talent. I’m sure he drifts through life off the court as well.
But don’t kid yourself—this guy has serious skills. He’s not an NBA 4, but in the right situation and with some added maturity (big if), I always thought he could be a tough 3, kind of a Carmelo-lite. He may never grow up, but I’d take a one year flier on the guy at $5 mill over a holding pattern move like blowing our cap for a year on AK-47 and then hoping for Carmelo. Miami would cut Dooling and we could resign him if that is a concern, which it shouldn’t be ’cause Keyon is done, sad to say.
In any case, Rod just raised the bar on expectations. He better have something nice up his sleeve to be turning down this kind of talent for just cap space. If Miami can’t give away Beasley, there is no market for Yi either, so we will have him next season. The Hump will be back for I pray only one more year. Instead of another question mark in the frontcourt, Thorn now needs to add an exclamation.
NI wrote this particularly well, so Thorn’s ultimate decision make sense. Just hearing a trade between Beasley and Dooling, it seems like a no brainer; Dooling is clearly expendable and Beasley was a lottery pick. But the decision not to make this trade is three-fold: 1) Beasley is a head case, and therefore is a risk 2) Taking on Beasley would reduce the Nets cap-space by 4.5 million 3) The Heat would become much more competitive in free agency this summer, giving them more than $25 million to spend. This signals to me that Thorn has an ace or two up his sleeve, no doubt about it. Hopefully this is indeed the case.
"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
except that we're going to have to spend that money anyway to fill out the roster
likely on someone with less upside than Beasley. If anything NI wrote it perfectly to spin it. Like saying they’ll have more than 25 million to spend (rather than just saying they’ll have 4 million extra to spend) which makes the impact of the deal sound much larger. Or ignoring the fact they’re going to have to spend the money saved from Dooling on a similar player anyway to fill the role.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Not to mention the idea it would just be us making Miami stronger is flawed
because it assumes there’s no other way they can clear that 4.5 million. They could do the deal with someone else who won’t be an active player in FA and put us at the same “disadvantage” (which isn’t even a disadvantage since it’s unlikely the money would be the difference between an impact player and the idea that we’ll clear enough space to sign 2 max’s is ludicrous) without us gaining anything from it.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Because I think $25 million isn't an accurate figure. I think it would be much more and they could get close to Knicks.
If Miami unloaded essentially everyone but DWade, they would definitely be a candidate to get 2 Max FAs or 3 total.
Fortunately, LeBron is not likely to be happy in DWade’s home.
Miami would have only about 19 million under contract if they unloaded Beasley. It would be DWade and Cook with an option for Chalmers. They should have then close to 34 million and would be more attractive than Knicks for whom Gallinari is best player.
Clearly have 3 top players on one team is what this is about. Miami couldn’t easily give away Beasley without getting something back except for a few teams who are also competing for a Big FA.
Here is Miami’s cap space:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm
Whether hoping to sign 2 max is ludicrous or not, I would still prefer to see the NETS go strong as a major player in the bidding war this summer for all the BIG FA's.
Why give up their chances just for Beasely?
To be an active participant in in the bidding war is better than just be relegated to a salivating spectator saying …“I could have”…. “I should have”
The addition of Beasley right now does not excite me more than this summer’s free agency.
hey Gina
why don’t you stick to your own baises and not attribute bias to others.
Quite obviously, if you know anything about the collective bargaining agreement, you know the exchange of contracts is a huge issue one month before free agency.
Hey NI
why don’t you explain rather than telling us to believe you because you know things others don’t and then replying with one word answers and never backing up your statements when challenged?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
In the end it doesn’t really matter anyway because we don’t even know if this report is true or not. "an NBA general manager told him " could mean anybody or nobody all at the same time. ESPN is merely trying to create a radio talk show subject out of what could very well be nothing. Regardless, I’m pretty confidant Thorn wouldn’t pull the trigger on this decision without putting in the proper consideration and having knowledge of the subject that we as fans do not possess. In Thorn I trust.
"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
I agree with that assessment
like I said multiple times above if Miami was actually this desperate to get rid of Beasley and he’s still on their roster it means no one in the NBA needs him. My point is more there’s no financial reason to have turned this down, and that if NI is going to make the assertion that anyone who understands the CBA would know that then he should damn sure back it up.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
no one in the NBA wants him*
which means there’s clearly big off-court issue.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
What don’t you understand about protecting an additional 5 million in cap space? Even if we aren’t able to clear enough space to sign 2 max contracts, its still the difference between a max guy and an 8-10 million a year player and a max guy and a low paid player. Whether you agree with the reasoning or not, it doesnt make sense to ignore the simple reality of maximizing our cap space to spend on assets we may deem more important than Beasely.
Whats the point of cap space
Is it not to spend it on talented players that hopefully have a fair cost according to their value. Beasley is just that. Talented player on your team >>>> The chance and hope to buy a talented player.
What dont people understand about the fact that that money will have to be used for something, and its very likely not going to be for anything better then Beasley.
Because Beaseley isnt a difference maker. We have been building towards this offseason since the trade of Kidd. The team does not want to settle on Beasely at this point.
Who is settling?
How is getting Beasley stop us from getting a difference maker?
agreed with demens
Beasley’s contract wouldn’t have prevented us from getting a difference maker
also this talk about 2 max contracts is nuts, get over it
+1
and we hardly ever agree.
I don’t want two max players. We have to extend Lopez, and if T-Will and Lee continue to improve we will have to retain their services as well.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 3, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
We hardly ever agree yet this is like the 3rd +1 from you today
And you were saying something about the ignore option.
Because more than likely, unless they plan on going into the season
with no bench, we’re going to end up spending that 4-5 million with a MLE or otherwise on a player with much less upside than Beasley (like the 3.5 million to Hump). It’s even unlikely a player we spent 6-8 million on will have more upside than Beasley, with the number of teams that have cleared space the market is going to end up overvaluing mid-tier guys. So unless we’re moving Harris’s salary it’s unlikely we’ll sign a max AND another semi big name, even the proposal of Gay and Lee is seeming less likely if one of them ends up signing for 13 million, or even more. So taking on a contract with possible high surplus value like Beasleys makes sense.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
The 8-10 million can easily be spent on a guy like Haslem if thats the direction the Nets want to go in. Or Harrington, or maybe Ray Felton if we do trade Harris. A part of me wants Beaseley too because of his talent level, but you have to understand that there is a bigger plan in place that is going to be pursued before the team would settle on a player like Beaseley. If the Nets want Beaseley so bad and their plans don’t work out this offseason, they could easily sign him outright next offseason. As far as filling out the roster, that is a good problem to have if you need to fill it out with minimum salary guys in the situation where we sign 2 studs. If thats our biggest problem, we are in great shape.
But how is spending it on Harrington or Felton
better than spending it on Beasley? That was kind of exactly my point it’s going to get spent on someone much less useful than beasley would be.
And Beasley won’t be an FA till like 2013 or 2014.
And I disagree, signing two studs and having to fill with min guys is asking for disaster. it’s exactly why our RJ/Kidd/Vince teams were so unproductive.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
The difference would be
not having a cancer on the team, a player we are dying to get rid of, just like Wade and Riley wants to get rid of him. Super important given that we are drafting very young, in all likelihood.
Not a fan of Harrington though.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said multiple times above
there’s plenty of off-court reasons not to do it, but not financial reasons.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
What about Beaseley screams winning player to you? If he is so great, why does Miami want to trade him so badly and why does every team in the league apparently not want him? Great talent does not necessarily equate to being a winning player. Beasely wants to be the star guy when we may be better off with role players like Haslem depending on how the offseason goes. And if we sign 2 studs, we wont be filling it out with minimium guys, we would be filling it out with Lopez, Lee, TWill, Humphries, CDR, etc. How deep do you think a team needs to be? You only play 9 guys basically. Think Celtics of a few years back.
Um if you read all my posts
I said multiple times there’s plenty of off-court reasons not to do it. But not financial reasons.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
How can you not relate the two?
I mean if you spend 5 mill on a guy who had his legs cut off in the war, that is 5 mill you cannot spend to replace him.
Clearly the “off court” problems would have financial consequences.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Its frustrating debating this with you because you are determined to state your opinion as fact. There can certainly be financial reasons for not wanting Beaseley. You cannot get in Thorns head and know his plan. If his plan is to try to sign one max free agent and one guy like Gay for 12 million to start, he is probably concentrating on trying to dump Yi or Humphries or even Harris and adding another 5 mill cap hold for a guy like Beasely is probably the last thing on his mind. Have a good night.
I'm surprised about Gina's position too
She usually is all for finding the mid-level talent and saving as much cap space as possible. Do you really want ANY salary tied up in a dead-end player? At the very least you should be compiling character guys.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah if he moves Yi/Harris its totally different
my original response was to the idea that, all else being the same, the 4.5 million to Beasley would be the difference in signing another difference maker.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Also moving Harris
and then signing Felton wouldn’t make any sense. Since he’d likely end up making similar money to Harris anyway.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Chris2 has him getting 6-8 million
which would erase most of the room we’d save by moving Harris.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Well, that is approx 2 mill less.
And I’m not sure even about that estimate. There is not a huge PG market.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Noone wants Beasley that bad
But to turn him down for nothing is not smart.
Points 2 and 3 dont even matter
We wont do anything with that extra cap anyway.
Miami has the most cap anyway, giving them extra doesn’t change a thing.
Any Chance thorn didnt do this because he didnt want to help the Heat(Amare ring a bell)?
but all this talk that hes trash and hes waste i dont agree he would a nice #6 but of course i would only do this deal if we dont get james and amare
this team would have so much depth is wont even be funny
lets say we sign Lee draft Turner and Sign Gay
PG-Harris, Bledsoe
SG-Turner,Lee,CDR
SF-Gay,T-Will,Beasley
PF-Lee,Humps,Yi
C-Lopez,O’Neal
and then you still got are 2nd rd pick
We could have still went after Amare
Not enough money for your proposed line-up.
there's enough money if Gay and lee sign for reasonable contracts
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
pfffft!!!
as if…
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 3, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
lol yeah I don't expect it to happen
I imagine the market is going to overpay because of the number of teams that cleared cap. Which is why I don’t think this is a year to go into the FA market thinking we must spend money by any means necessary.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
we have 24 million in cap room
if they both signed for 14 million it wouldn’t be possible.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Thats not couting Beasley is it?
No way Lee/Gay sign deals THAT reasonable. I dont them both of them anyway.
I want no part of Beasy We’re already going to be stuck with extra contracts at PF if we can’t dump them and yeah I don’t think he gets any better. We’e drafting a PF and as for small forward he’s not great at playing it and I don’t want him there either. But yeah its a an ok offer because he has potential but I just don’t want any part of him.
drugs and alcohol
not to mention a failure to correct his on-court deficiencies.
Classic fools gold.
I’d still take Beasley over Yi, all day every day.
You guys may want to check his birth certificate. It’s really not that uncommon for American kids his age to drink a lot and smoke pot. Most eventually snap out of it.
Miami would only save 1 million in cap space. That isn't enough to guarantee that Miami could retain DWade.
Nets would lose 1 million in cap space and they are boderline already with what they want to do.
DWade/LeBron + RGay should require about 27-28 million in cap space. DLee in place of RGay could be 1 million more.
Nets might have to extend Hump’s contract and cut about 3/4 million for next year, in order to safely accomplish their free agency goals.
Hiowever, giving up 1 million could be deadly, even though it is obvious that Beasley has more talent than Yi.
It's uncommon for them to do it to the extent
that no NBA team is willing to take on the gamble for a guy who was the #2 pick 2 years ago and has shown the ability to score 20 a night. There is clearly a lot more to the Beasley story than just normal drinking and pot smoking.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Not so funny.
If Miami can’t get TWO top free agents, DWade could split and Nets could be his best destination to win.
As I have said before Cousins would be more attractive to FAs wanting to win now. (This assumes Nets can’t get Turner)
Lopez
Cousins
RGay (Proky has tipped us off on this)
DWade
Harris
with Avery as coach and TWill + CLee
Compare that with a Miami team of only DWade and another top FA, not named LeBron (who wouldn’t want to play in DWade’s house).
Clearly Nets would be better off for DWade.
Miami would become worst team in NBA if DWade left.
Knicks could be one of worst teams (assuming LeBron stayed in Cleveland.)
Nets would be an elite team for sure (see above lineup)
I think my analysis is correct.
This is a realistic possibility if Beasley isn’t moved to clear 4.5-5 million in Miami’s cap space.
The implications are HUGE.
I think a front line of Sean Williams and B-easy would be unstoppable
If only we could get Roy Tarpley to come out of retirement.
This whole conversation is
incredible to me. This is the same management that wasted a draft pick on Sean Williams (head case), acquired Stro Swift (head case), acquired Shawne Williams (criminal) in the Dallas trade with full intention of giving him a shot at a roster spot, had Uncle Cliffy Spliffy Robinson smoking up half of Mexico, drafted Marcus Williams (theft issue in college), had no problem with Kidd’s “domestic disturbances.”
And now all of a sudden Thorn has caught religion and only wants Boy Scouts on the team. Give me a break.
It isn't about Boy Scouts. Its about Cap Space and even $1 million is critical. See my calculations above.
The more I think about this situation, the more I realize that the fortunes of Nets and Miami lie on cap space.
I also believe more than before, that the main advantage for Nets taking Cousins over Favors is that he is a better lure to top free agents like LeBron and DWade. They want to win NOW. Everyone agrees that Cousins is more ready than Favors and could be REALLY good, with a good team around him.
If Nets landed DWade or LeBron because of Cousins, but then Cousins didn’t live up to expectations, then it still would have been worth it. Perhaps Cousins could be traded to another team in need of a Center and get a nice piece in return.
Can someone refute the rumor that Beasley might be "gay". Not that it should be anyone's business but teammates may not like it and it could explain why he is soft and inconsistent.
It may go beyond drugs and alcohol.
Surely his teammates know his habits, and there must be someone like Chris Quinn who would have informed the Nets of Beasley’s hidden background.
And if Nets reject Beasley, then other teams with cap space might do the same.
Then Miami could be screwed and Proky could welcome DWade!
All this Beasly talk
Is a joke. Thorn, who I have had issues with many times (I still say when he traded, at the time, 2 pretty valuable pieces in KVH and Todd Mac for Mutumbo, he basically cost us a Championship as we could have traded those 2 contracts for something far more valuable than Mutumbo – a center who could not pass …IN THE PRINCETON OFFENSE? What the heck were you thinking Rod and Stefanski???) I have to say, Rod…GREAT work passing on the bust known as Beasly.
You people are living on draft night 2008 and off of Game 2 on ESPN big Monday. This kid is NOT what we need, is not going to help, and is not worth the effort.
He is a bust, a bust, a bust.
Net fans, you are still thinking SOOOOOO small. We are going to go for it, win or lose, that cap space is not for some underachieving bust.
Thorn, GO FOR IT!
My NBA 2K10 Roster
I’ve been reading these posts ALL DAY LONG. Then I decided to make a roster happen under the legal cap limits.
How sick nasty would this be, with Phil Jackson or Avery as coach:
Chris Paul
Courtney Lee
El Rey, The King James
Amar’e Stoudemire
Brook Lopez
Terrence Williams
C Dougy Fresh
Humphries
Dooling
Marcus Thornton
Chuck Hayes
Chris Quinn
I’ll play a game or two, fantasize a lil bit, then go to sleep. PS: This could happen, right?
by Alex F on Jun 3, 2010 12:31 AM EDT reply actions
Brook is FILTHY
He’s open every time because they have to double team everybody. this is just wonderful.
by Alex F on Jun 3, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I should be the next GM
Pulled this roster off:
Chris Paul
George Hill
LeBron James
Amar’e Stoudemire
Brook Lopez
____
Lamar Odom
Terrence Williams
Rodrigue Beaubois
Chris Andersen
Joey Graham
Chase Budinger
Coby Karl (L O L)
by Alex F on Jun 3, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's not get it twist it...
Beasley> Any PF on the team today. Although he does have his issues, I think it was a bad decision by Thron if this deal was indeed offered to him. Also Brook and Beasley seem to get a long well(Although He might take him to the dark side)
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
Players like Beasley (Talented but don't have maturity yet) usually become good players when they arrive on their 2nd team..
A fresh start could do wonders to him. Once again, It was a mistake if this trade was really offered to us.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
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