NetsDaily Off-Season Report #10
It's all new...and it's exhausting too! Owner swings in from Moscow on the Gulfstream, meets up with the new coach at the NBA Finals...neither says hello to Dwyane Wade sitting directly behind them out of fear of a fine. Whirlwind tour of "The Rock" by the Big Russian. Little General gets exposure, Brook Lopez gets exposed to mono. Workouts galore. Then, there's the draft!! We take a look at the draft through various prisms, offer Mikhail Dmitrievich Prokhorov some advice and wonder about "The Rock".
Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, relying on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who have slipped interesting stuff into larger stories and blogs...not to mention our own reporting.
Do Us a Big Favors
As he has been ever since the Draft Lottery, Derrick Favors sits at #3 in virtually every mock draft. Evan Turner is not dropping and as Dave D'Alessandro reports, DeMarcus Cousins will get picked over Favors only if Favors rolls himself in the fetal position during Monday's much-hyped workout.
For many fans, Favors is seen as sour compensation for a loss in the Draft Lottery. But it wasn't that long ago--like a year ago--that Favors was seen as the best prospect in the country. Coming out of high school last spring, Scout.com rated him the #1 player in the country, over John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins. ESPNU had him #2 in the ESPNU100, Rivals.com rated him the lowest at #4.
Scout spoke highly of his potential:
"Could be a potential franchise college player and beyond. Few have the ability to finish with strength and efficiency that he brings. Quiet kid who goes about his business and takes numbers. Excellent student and a high character young man. In contention for many player of the year awards as a junior."
ESPNU had him behind Avery Bradley but ahead of Xavier Henry, Cousins and Wall. Rivals had him at #3, behind Wall and Cousins and just ahead of Bradley.
He dominated high school all-star games, even more so than Wall. After he led South Atlanta to the Georgia Class AAA state championship, scoring 38 points and grabbing 21 rebounds, he led the East to a 113–110 victory in the McDonald's High School All-America game, being named the MVP. He was also selected to play in the 2009 Jordan Brand Classic at Madison Square Garden where he scored a game-high 21 points and was named co-MVP.
Favors, by the way, would be the youngest Net ever, starting next season at 19 years and two months old. That would be six months younger than Cliff Robinson, who played for the Nets in the early 1980's--not Clifford Robinson of UConn, but Cliff Robinson of USC. The Nets youngest players ever are Robinson, Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson, Marcus Williams and Yi Jianlian...at least officially.
So who do we think the Nets will pick Thursday night?
Here's our predictions: (David Stern voice) with the third pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, the New Jersey Nets select Derrick Favors of Georgia Tech. With the 27th pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, the New Jersey Nets select Armon Johnson of the University of Nevada. (Switching now to our Adam Silver voice) With the 31st pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, the New Jersey, the New Jersey Nets select Keith "Tiny" Gallon of the University of Oklahoma. Now, if as hinted, the Nets are looking to buy a second round pick, we have to think they already have someone ind and/or the pick they want. Our bet and we are totally speculating here is that the other pick in the second round will be a European who the Nets might keep overseas.
The possibilities: Alexey Shved, the 6'7" combo guard from CSKA Moscow; Thomas Heurtel, the 6'3" point guard from Strasbourg in the French league; Ryan Richards, the 7'0" British center/forward from Gran Canaria in the Spanish League; or Nemanja Bjeilica, the 6'10" point forward from Red Star in the Balkan League.
Draft Sleeper of the Week
For our final Draft Sleeper, we're going with Heurtel, who is fast moving up the mock draft boards, an indication that the draftniks are hearing from scouts and GM's that the quick, pass-first point has garnered some attention of late.
Heurtel was the MVP of the Adidas EuroCamp in Treviso, a surprise selection. Although NBADraft.net isn't sure of his potential as an NBA player, it noted: "The adidas Eurocamp MVP and the most complete playmaker at the camp, Huertel has nice quickness, nifty skill off the dribble and most importantly is a terrific passer. He gets into the paint consistently (in transition and in the halfcourt) and is able to draw help and make the correct reads." Sounds like someone who would fit the Nets' offense. He is also surprisingly athletic, registering a 36.2" vertical at the Adidas EuroCamp.
Draft Night Trade?
Two years ago, we were surprised to hear that Richard Jefferson had been sent packing for Yi Jianlian and Bobby Simmons. Then, last year, it was Vince Carter and Ryan Anderson for Courtney Lee, Rafer Alston and Tony Battie. Some had speculated that Devin Harris might be the third Nets star to be traded in as many years. But that was before the Nets lost the lottery and hired Avery Johnson, Harris' biggest fan, mentor, surrogate father, surrogate big brother, etc.,etc. as head coach and dean of discipline. So who could be traded this June? Right now, the Nets have six players whou could be dealt: the five core members: Harris, Lee, Brook Lopez, Yi Jianlian and Terrence Williams, and Keyon Dooling. None of the players on expiring contracts can be traded and the two players with contract options--Kris Humphries and Chris Douglas-Roberts--cannot be dealt either.
So why can Dooling be traded and not Humphries or CDR? Doesn't he have a team option with a $500,000 option? He does but it's not considered a team option. Rather, he is a player with limited salary protection. Players with team options, player options and early termination options cannot be traded before July 1, meaning after they or their team decides on the option. Players with limited salary protection can be dealt. Will Dooling be dealt? It's possible but it's unlikely the Nets will want to take on more than the $500,000 he is owed. That's why the rumored Dooling for Michael Beasley trade made sense for the Heat but not for the Nets at least from from a salary cap perspective. The Nets might have gotten Beasley but it would have severely cut into their salary cap...and there is plenty of evidence the Nets want to have enough cap space for two max players. The only way that can happen is if Kris Humphries opts out and The Hump is everywhere for the Nets, doing two community affairs in New Jersey last week and another in Brooklyn this week.
You're On the Clock, Mikhail Dmitrievich
Mikhail Prokhorov has said he thinks the Nets can move foward "with a little bit of luck, a little bit of money". We liked what we read and heard this week about some small investments Prokhorov has made ahead of free agency (i.e. BIG money): he spoke openly about the value of improving player amenities while visiting the Nets' locker room construction site at "The Rock" and Friday, Al Iannazzone reported that the Nets "could" buy a second round pick, citing two sources.
Both cost money and Prokhorov is right about the value of player perks. Too bad the Nets are stuck in the PNY Center for the next two years until the new practice facility is finished at the Barclays Center...if you want to see what the competition has in Cleveland, take a look here. But what would be more significant, more visible is the purchase of another pick. We're not saying spend just to spend, but laying out $1.5 million to $2 million for a second round pick (or adding some cash to move up in the first round) is going to send a clear signal to fans and free agents that you're serious about resources. Another thing we're watching is the recruitment of assistant coaches. The Nets had the fewest and the lowest paid last year.
By the way, if you were hoping that Prokhorov's "missing" $45 million yacht might play a role in free agent recruiting, not likely. As of Saturday, the Solemar remains docked in Antibes, in France, not far from Nice...and very far from Akron.
Jeanie Watching Irina
Phil Jackson said he would like to hoist a glass of vodka with Mikhail Prokhorov (but really wasn't that interested in coaching for him). Turns out his girlfriend, Jeanie Buss, wants to meet with Prokhorov's choice to run his sports
holding company in the US. In a USA Today interview about women in sports--and other things, the daughter of Laker owner Jerry Buss noted, "When you talk about the future of women executives, I'm very excited to meet the woman (Irina Pavlova) the new owner in New Jersey (Mikhail Prokhorov) has hired to be the day-to-day business person for the Nets."
Vatutin Otherwise Occupied
It's starting to seem less and less likely that Europe's most accomplished basketball executive, Andrei Vatutin, will be joining the Nets. This week, he led ten teams out of the scandal-scarred Russian Basketball Federation, declaring the need for a new league. "In this situation, we consider it impossible to participate in the competition, organized and managed by the managers who have lost our trust," a communique published by Vatutin stated. "The leading clubs of the country are going to establish a new, professional and independent, basketball league for the best Russian teams."
When Prokhorov was asked about his role in this new league, he said Vatutin is perfectly capable of setting up the league, but that he won't be involved. "My interests are now more American," said Prokhorov.
Vatutin also announced that while two of his players have jumped ship (one of them Zoran Planinic) and another is no longer under contract, He could report three others are staying. Doesn't sound like a guy who's leaving for a new job.
Newark Love Affair...Not
We were a little mystified this week with the disparity between the news and sports pages of the Star-Ledger on the subject of the Prudential Center.
Here's Steve Politi, the Ledger's sports columnist, on Tuesday writing about the wonders of "The Rock" and his hopes that the Nets extend their stay in Brick City. It would be great for Newark.
"[Prokhorov] was standing near center court of one of the nicest arenas in the country as he spoke," wrote Politi. "No matter what happens, at least we know this: The man who bought a hole in the ground in Brooklyn sure seemed impressed."
Politi didn't mention that the day's other two protagonists--Mayor Cory Booker and Devils' owner Jeff Vanderbeek--are about to go to court over the Devils' failure to pay a dime in rent to the distressed city.
Joan Whitlow, who like Politi is a columnist for the Ledger, wasn't so impressed when she published on Friday. The arena, she writes, a bad deal made worse by the Devils unwillingness to pay the millions the hockey team owes the city.
"The previous administration, under Mayor Sharpe James, sank more than $200 million in city money into a lopsided partnership with the New Jersey Devils hockey team. The team put up $100 million to build the arena, known as the Rock. In return, the Devils got a lease so tilted, the team claimed the rent wasn’t due because the city owed the Devils money. The lease even precluded the city from taking its recalcitrant tenant to court."
She also pointed out that the only redevelopment in the arena district, other than some parking lots, is a coffee shop.
Maybe Booker and Devils owner Vanderbeek see Prokhorov's Nets as a way to make some money for both of them. Doubtful. While the Barclays Center in Brooklyn is certainly the beneficiary of city and state funding, even Brooklyn critic Norman Oder admits there are worst examples of sports facility financing: "Note that Atlantic Yards, as with the new baseball stadiums, is not directly publicly financed in the blatant way some other sports facilities are, but relies on significant infrastructure subsidies, tax breaks, and a tax-exempt financing scheme that the Treasury Department no longer allows."
Yi the Documentary
A Chinese film crew followed Yi around northern New Jersey recently for a documentary on the Nets' power forward. The third most popular celebrity in China, Yi gave the documentary makers unprecedented access. As Sina.com, which is one of his and the Nets' big sponsors noted, the crew filmed his warm-up before training, individual physical training, upper leg strength training, flexibility training and massage therapy. They also shot him grocery shopping, dining in local restaurants, and, "for the first time", in his home in New Jersey to watch him "cooking and playing video games." The documentary will be shown ion July before FIBA World Championships as part of the run-up to the games in Turkey.
Perhaps the crew will unlock the mystery of Yi's age. Some Chinese fans think they have found some new "evidence" that the Nets' forward is actually two or three years older than his listed 22 years. It seems Yi talked about his love of the original Hyperdunk show by Nike. Here's the critical Q and A.
Media: When you were growing up in China, did you have any favorite shoes?
Yi: I really liked the [original] Hyperdunk, and I’ve worn those for three years now. It’s the one shoe that I feel is really comfortable with my foot. Every different person is different, and some are lighter or better for more jumping. My first basketball shoe was Nike. Then, my favorite shoe was when I was twelve or thirteen years old, and I had my first pair of Jordan shoes. The XII.That’s my favorite.
Well, points out a Chinese fan, "The Nike Air Jordan XII was released in 1996...if he had a pair when he was 'twelve or thirteen years old', this would make him about 26 years old today. This, of course, assumes that he got them the first year they were released..."
There is an alternate explanation of course: Yi wanted to please one of his sponsors, Nike China. The mystery continues.
Final Note
CNBC's Darren Rovell reported this week on how Nike will play a big role in any decision LeBron James makes about relocating, noting that Nike's growth is in China: "All you have to do is visit the big cities in China -- Beijing, Shanghai -- and Kobe is clearly bigger than LeBron. I would say he's at least two times bigger. And the reason for that is that the Chinese really do respect a champion."
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Even after missing out on Wall
if we get Turner is Harris expendable?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I wonder if management feels
Or maybe Avery will think once he’s sees T-will that his future is @ the point position, he’s has real value and is explosive there.
it's not hating so much
as it basically means we have 3 combo guards who need the ball in their hands who we’re going to be expecting to play 30 minutes a night, and that’s before free agency. How could that realistically work out, while still getting C.Lee minutes since he’s our only shooter and the only player who can stretch the floor.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
None of the others are point guards
CLEE can guard PGs but does not have the handle or passing skill to play the point at the NBA level and I doubt he ever will. A defensive specialist who needs to focus on being a long range shooter (like he was in Orlando).
TWILL is a match-up guy. He might play some minutes as an undersized 3. Some as a poor shooting 2. Some as a big PG. However, he is not a full time PG. Valuable backup PG minutes and PG in certain match-up situations = awesome. Full time PG no. As a note it is always useful to see rookies in their second season of big minutes as other teams learn their tendencies and adjust accordingly. Many fade – heck even good players fade when exposed to a seven game series where coaches can make adjustments to take away their best skills. Love TWILL as a jack of all trades match-up winner part time starter sixth man.
Turner was a PG in college out of necessity. He can and will be a 2 in the pros although he will look like Roy/Kobe/etc. with the ball in his hands alot. He does not have the handle or quicks to be in front of guys like Rondo – see his turnovers in college. Useful handling the ball, but definitely not a lead PG.
So…..if you get rid of Harris you still need a starting (or at least big minutes +/-30) per game PG. Who is better under our salary cap situation, under our coaching/playing system, fit with team, available, etc.? And I do not see this role being filled by the 27th pick in his draft.
I didn't say C.Lee was a pg
just that he was going to need to get significant playing time since no one else can shoot, and he really can’t play the 3 spot.
I’m not saying Turner and T-will will play pg. I’m saying regardless of where they play both are going to need the ball in their hands a significant amount, and their skill sets kind of make Harris redundant. Turner was so effective in college because the offense ran through him. it makes zero sense to draft him and then turn around not run your offense through him, if you’re going to do that then what are you drafting him for (and Thorn said in his own comments about Turner he was a player who was going to have to have the ball in his hands to be effective), T-will is essientially the same he was effective last year when the offense was running through him.
I’m not saying their better options at this point to run an offense through, I’m saying how can you have 3 players like that on a team and use them all optimally, when none of them have skill sets that allow them to play off the ball? Exactly how do you divide time and construct line ups where T-will and Turner get significant time, since they’ll need it to develop and to see what they have, while also giving Harris 40 minutes a night? I just don’t see how it can possibly work when none of them can shoot and they’re all at their best when the ball is in their hands.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
And too add to that
if we’re planning on making a run at two max free agents one of them is likely going to be a similar ball dominant player.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
In every scenario we need a PG
Whether we draft Turner. Whether we get a guy like Lebron or Melo. We need a big minute (+/-30 per game) PG. As you noted none of the other three are PGs. Harris has said the past he is OK at 34 minutes per game (so not the 40 you noted). So Harris fits.
If you trade Harris (and there are only a handful of “definitely do not trade” guys in the league with none on the NETS) – who/what do you get back to fill the void. A void that exists no matter which direction we go in the draft or via Free Agency.
My point is that Devin is the best fit. So lock him down as the PG for 2010/11 and move on.
Or we could move Harris and sign a relatively cheap pg
or one who can shoot at least. I also just don’t see how Harris is a significantly better choice at pg than the others, especially when you factor in he’s likely to miss time so someone else is going to be playing significant minutes there for a big chunk of games regardless.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Who is a significantly better lower cost PG
Here is how I see next years minutes….
40 Free Agent
35 DH
35 Lopez
25 Favors
25 CLee
25 TWill
25 Yi
15 PF (free agent ideally)
15 Shooter (free agent or draft pick)
Who do you want in place of Harris that fits your criteria and fits the NETS better?
Well obviously in the case with Favors it's different
Hence why I specifically said if we draft Turner, in which case how do you see the time divide working between him, Lee and T-will. I’m almost certain if we draft him he’s going to be playing WAY more than 25 minutes a night. Likely 30-40. My point is if we do draft Turner then suddenly the role of whatever pg we have is going to be greatly diminished and Devin becomes redundant, since T-will is the same slashing type scorer. If we have someone like turner than a veteran pg like steve blake or luke ridnour, who at least shoot better than 30% from the perimeter make sense.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Turner changes your free agent
If you draft Favors you chase Lebron or fall back to Gay or hold out for Melo next year.
If you draft Turner then you go after a PF = Bosh/Boozer/Amare/Lee.
30 Turner
35 DH
35 Lopez
40 Bosh/Boozer/Lee/Amare
25 CLee
25 TWill
20 Yi
15 PF (free agent ideally)
15 Shooter (free agent or draft pick)
Still need a big minute PG. And Steve Black or Luke Ridnour are not championship caliber PGs. We do not need to go backwards at the PG spot to advance as a team.
Harris is the only true point guard
I do think that T-Will can develop into a point guard but he is not ready to hold the reigns yet. It will be interesting to see how Avery Johnson uses T-Will. Turner is not a PG and would get abused if he had to in the NBA he handles the ball to high, he does remind me alot of Paul Pierce though.
Well that's wrong
T-will obviously has skills that play well off the ball, but he’s significantly less valuable if you’re just playing an undersized sf for finishing and defense and not at all using his ability to distribute. He goes from being a cornerstone building piece, to a fairly replaceable player.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Not what I meant
He is a great match-up guy. He has enough BBIQ, athletic ability and size to play 1, 2 or 3. So when the match-up works, put him on a slower 3 and let him go to work – slashing or initiating the offense or wrecking havoc with aggressive defensive pressure.
what I'm saying is I don't see how you don't that
and still give him significant time to develop other skills if people see him as a pg of the future. Either you’re relegating him permanently to just a match up player, or you have to give him a real chance to develop pg skills.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
It all depends on what is surrounding him
I do think that he will develop an outside shot as time goes on and when he does he will become one heck of a basketball player.
Turner would be primarily the SG whether you have confidence in his shooting ability or not. That is the position he would play in Phila.
And Nets aren’t getting Turner without a trade. That we DID learn yesterday from Phila.
Favors it will be...
And I will be very excited. But I also wish we needed a 280 center like Big Cuz.
by rundmc00 on Jun 19, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Great post!
Very interesting stuff about Yi. And to answer you, Gina, I’d day that Harris is expendable if the right deal comes along. It’d have to be damn good considering he and Avery are lovers now. I’m actually excited to see Harris this season because I think that under Avery, he’ll be a WAY better defender as well as a smarter offensive player.
I keep going back and forth with the Favors idea. I keep reading all this amazing stuff about him, but I seem to be falling in love with Turner just because we’ve already seen he’s ready to play now. Either way, I think we’re going to get a real stud in either Cousins, Turner or Favors.
by Alex F on Jun 19, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions
I also.....
am excited about Devin Harris this year ….I hope that he can remain healthy though…..Maybe , just maybe we can trade him to Philly with some other items (picks,money,players,etc…) for the #2….Then we can draft ETurner and DFav and start TWill at point guard…….WOW ……
At First.....
as many of us Net’s Fans were , I was hurt and disappointed that we did not land the # 1 pick to get John Wall and equally disappointed that we did not even land the # 2 pick to get Evan Turner but now I am totally excited about the option that we have in drafting Derrick Favors…….I was blinded with Wall and Turner and neglected to realize that we needed a “Great” Big Man with unlimited potential…..This , my Net friends was God Sent….Let’s hope that Philly sticks with drafting Evan Turner and we draft the next Kevin Garnett , if not better (Quicker) player……God Bless the Nets….
Pessimistic about next year
Unless we get Lebron, I am very pessimistic about 2010-11. I don’t like DH as a championship caliber PG and I think the team is small everywhere except Center and generally soft. The Rudy Gay / David Lee type free agents that we might get besides Lebron are not championship caliber and I would hate to see 5-7 years of salary tied up in them. Favors / Monroe / Cousins are all years away from being contributors on a 20+ minute basis.
I would be happier to see them back in the lottery and going after Melo or even better Durant. If they traded DH and put Twill at the point, drafted Turner and Torrance, I would feel our future was bright.
I don't think Rudy Gay is a game changer right now
but I also don’t get why everyone is down on him, he’s only 24 and clearly one of the most talented players in the NBA, why is it impossible to think he could develop into a championship caliber player, not a Kobe or Lebron but a great #2 guy.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Not down on him
Just that he is not as good as the competition – LBJ, Melo and Durant.
Looney Tunes....
Twill played well for a month and you folks are saying he is a better point than a healthy Devin? AJ is worth ten more wins with a healthy squad, but we also need three or four solid drafts picks and two or three solid free agents too. Throw it all together, and we win 40 games and maybe even make the playoffs, and do a little playoff learning as we get knocked out in the first round. Then, if we have saved enough cap space, we go for another max player next year, and then WATCH OUT!
Paul from Delray Beach
TWill has better court vision than Devin
Health for Devin doesn’t impact his PG skills. Rather, it only impacts his ability to get to the rim and score. Devin is a scorer with below average court vision and poor PG instincts.
Please don't let the Nets waste money on David Lee or Rudy Gay
This is pretty much how I feel
and why I don’t get why people think Harris is a huge upgrade over a back court of T-will &, if we draft him, Turner. I’d rather give T-will a legit shot to take over the starting pg job.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Exactly even other coaches have said T-Will is a problem being 6'6 and athletic in that position.
You can’t question his point skills his vision his passing ability and ability to create, you definitely give him a chance he has a special game, and is also a problem in the pick and roll.
And how exactly is he going to prove anything
if he isn’t given a chance to? Harris has been in the league for 8 years and hasn’t proved anything except he’s inconsistent, injury prone and can’t make a jump shot, and really more of a combo guard with strong passing abilities when he’s driving, which usually leads to more injuries, than a pg with great court vision.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
NI's right he looked good for a month
He needs to improve on his weakness; playing off the ball his jumpshot mainly.
As far as Devin he was in the Finals for what it’s worth and made the all star team, just saying.
I get that Harris made an all-star team
but what makes him effective, driving and distributing, also makes him injury prone and liable to miss 20+ games a year. And how exactly are rookies supposed to prove anything if they’re not given the playing time? T-will got the playing time and showed something for the last 6 weeks, so why would you relegate him back to a bench role instead of finding out if he can be a full time pg? And people keep saying Harris was on the finals, but he was on the finals on a team where he was the 4th option. He didn’t carry them there. You basically have
a 28 year old, who’s injury prone, and has a small frame that’s going to make him permanently injury prone as long as he continues to play the way he does, and playing the way he does is the only way he’s valuable to the team, plays no D, and has been inconsistent.
And you have a 22 year old he’s a match up nightmare, plays out of control but has huge upside.
I just don’t understand why we would be hard fast sticking with Harris when we essentially know what we’re going to get from him, know his style of play is always going to make him injury prone and cause him to miss 20 or so games, and be ineffective for multiple other ones. If you don’t trust handing the reigns over to T-will fully then bring in a veteran like Steve Blake or Luke Ridnour as insurance, if we stick with Harris we’re going to need quality insurance anyway because unless their okay with T-will running the offense for 20 some games anyway. I just don’t see how sticking with Harris and never finding out what T-will’s capable of is the better move. How do you ever expect to find out what a young player can give you if you won’t throw him into the fire?
And I definitely don’t see how we can possibly have Turner, T-will and Harris on the team getting significant time and be effective.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
never argue with a woman you can't win but here goes...
In my opinion Twill’s best position now is small forward Avery already said Devin’s the guy. Since he’s undersized he shouldn’t start.
He could still be a good player off the bench the coach could choose to try him at point guard. Who knows?
Since he’s lacking in size and shooting bench player looks to be his future.
He should work on his shot and playing off the ball there’s nothing wrong with coming off the bench you know Gina.
Devin wasn’t reckless until he came here.
Under Avery hopefully he won’t have as much of a scoring role and he concentrates on passing and defense. Everyone knows he can score but can he put it together?
I could be wrong but don’t see TWill as a full time point guard.
And certainly wouldn’t hand the team over to him I’d rather get another vet or draft a point guard.
Avery will find out what Twill can do no doubt about it.
Turner’s not my favorite the team would be crazy to pass up an opportunity to draft a big. They shouldn’t be in the lottery again for another ten years.
I agree I much prefer we draft favors
but I’m talking about if we did draft Turner. Obviously if we draft favors than the entire argument is irrelevant
And Devin wasn’t reckless until he came here? What? The entire reason he and Avery supposedly had a rocky relationship in Dallas was because of his recklessness, coming here was supposed to be a God send because we’d “unleash” him and allow him to play that way which was supposed to make him more effective.
And he’s lacking in size for the sf position, which is why he shouldn’t play there outside of select match ups. Which is kind of my point as why he’s better suited as a combo guard.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Compared to who?
your argument holds no water if you compare his missed games with similar sized point guards.
Go back and look at undersized points and combos and how many games they have missed, including Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Dwyane Wade, etc., etc.
Harris has missed about the same number of games as those players.
Turnovers
Devin’s assist – turnover ratio and his shooting % are both in the bottom half of starting PGs. As, imo, is his defense. As Kobe showed on Rondo, to defend a top PG under current rules, you need length. You need length to head off penetration and to cut down on passing angles. You need length to steer the other guy an extra foot or two closer to the help defender. Devin doesn’t have that length. He has been blown by by nearly every PG in the league – e.g. Jonny Flynn. Conceivably he could do well on a team that was oversized at every other position but I think he is best suited as a change of pace guy.
Also yeah something no one's talked about
is his terrible terrible shooting percentage. Scoring 15-20 or so points on 34 shots, really isn’t helping your team.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Tony Parker didn't start missing games at similar rates
until about 5-6 years into his career, Devin’s been missing them from the get go. Which doesn’t bode well from his long-term prognosis.
And I’ve said before if Harris had a higher talent level, like Wade and Paul, then you could leave with the injuries. There’s a massive difference between the contribution all world players, like Paul and Wade, make when they are on the court and when Harris is. When the other two are on the court they’re game changers who can put the team on their backs and their contributions, even when limited to 60-70 games are enough to carry a team to the play-offs. Devin on the other hand is no where near that, you’re basically getting 60-70 games of a nice cog, but not a team changing player.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
there's also the fact Turner played pg at OSU
and while I obviously don’t think he’s going to play pg on this level he should have enough ball handling/offense running abilities that I don’t see why a combination of him and T-will in the back court would be much worse than most offenses without premier point guards, which at this point is most offenses in the league, as far as court. Not to mention a back court of 6-7 Turner and 6-6 220 lb T-will would be a match up nightmare for most back courts.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
If you believe Turner or TWill can play point
you get a smaller combo guard like Avery Bradly to cover the other smaller quicker point guards. Or use Lee there as he is quick enough. The Lakers did that with Magic. He did not guard the quicker point guards; Norm Nixon or Scott handled them. There is nothing wrong with having a 6’6" point if he is talented enough to play the point. The question is – can Turner and TWill handle the responsibility to run a team?
Trading for Turner could mean Nets wouldn't have to look for a backup point guard in the draft, but it wouldn't be his main position.
I doubt if we will hear any leaks about deals for Turner unless the Minny GM is involved. He has the Biggest mouth of any GM I have ever seen.
And I also give the Mock drafts, in terms of who the Nets would pick, about as much stock as the paper trash I recycle every week.
Any leaks from more than 2 days ago are now out of date. Avery is on board and his voice counts because he will determine PT, and he is the one who Thorn would have to rely on to train the new players.
Maybe after Monday I would believe some inside leak from Dave D., but then a trade for Turner might not be finalized until hours before the draft.
We still can hope.
Yes Favors would be a disappointment after a terrible year.
I like this idea
But we’re going ot have to offer Philly a damn good deal. They’re gonna obviosly want #3 but who else could we give them? They obviously dont need wings so Courtney wouldn’t be good. Would we have to give #27 or #31? Thoughts?
by Alex F on Jun 19, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Phila is now loaded at SF, not a sharp shooting defensive SG in Lee, who wouldn't complain as a backup to Iggy.
CLee and draft picks and $3 million in order for Phila. to finally get the BIG they need, in Cousins, is a very good risk for them considering the problems that could develop (between Iggy and Turner) unless Iggy were traded for a Big directly.
im not saying he'd play pg
im saying we wouldn’t need a true pg with him and T-will. or at least not one who was going to play 30-40 minutes a night. Especially if they’re plan is to still go after LBJ/Gay or someone.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
then bring in Luke Ridnour or Steve Blake to play 20-25 a minute
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
minutes a game
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
From what i have seen Harris is a good enough offensive player. His defense isn’t very good though. I have seen him just let his man blow by him and go right into the paint.
If Favors went head to head with Cousins, as was originally promised, he WOULD lay down like a wounded goat (Baaaah, Baaaah, Baaah). Favors potential may have peaked in High Scool.
2. Also, Hump not picking up his $3.2 million option wouldn’t be enough for the $33.5 million in cap space (assuming 56.1 million Cap)
They might be 2.5 million short or 2 million if CDR’s option wasn’t picked up.
That means that our good friend Yi would have to be the surprise of this year to be traded. Doubt Proky would want to do that just yet.
So then there WON’T be any scenario for 2 Max FA’s and why in the would would we draft Derrick Favors just to have a Greedy, Selfish Max Free Agent (Bosh/Amare/Boozer) playing his position for 35 minutes a game? I still haven’t heard an answer to that one????
3. LeBron wouldn’t object to being flown in Proky’s Gulfstream to Nice first, before cruising on on his Yacht!
That isn’t a problem.
Please tell me you've all seen this
L O L
http://www.youtube.com/user/NBANets#p/u/6/lasy_mSxwdc
by Alex F on Jun 20, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
lol
i like how the camera is RIGHT in his face. priceless.
by Alex F on Jun 20, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Iannazzone
Many in the Nets’ offices think Cousins is better than Favors, but they don’t want duplication.
Riley and Petrie think Cousins can play the 4. If he convinces Rod that’s true, he’ll be the pick.
I was looking forward to a draft trade… But we still have a trade exception I wonder how that will be used.
by Andy. on Jun 20, 2010 9:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
My theory about Yi's age
Hey Net IncomeI…if you are going to quote/reference my theory about Yi’s age from another forum, at least get it right that I am an American fan, not a Chinese fan….!

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