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Favors "Out of Shape"?

One reason the Nets want to see Derrick Favors battle DeMarcus Cousins Monday has to do with conditioning.  Is Cousins in shape?  Can Favors hold his own against a stronger opponent like Cousins?  It appears that Favors, not Cousins, may have the issue. After a workout in Minnesota Thursday, GM David Kahn and Coach Kurt Rambis both said Favors is "out of shape".

"He isn't in shape," Kahn said after Favors' workout at Target Center. "You could see that right off the bat."

Meanwhile, Chris Mannix tweeted Thursday that he believes Avery Johnson favors Cousins.  "I talked to Avery yesterday," he wrote. "Sounds like he is high on Cousins but a) Thorn making the call and b) decent chance they trade pick." 

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This seems very, very odd...

Could the Wolves be trying all they can to discourage the Nets from taking Derrick, who’d then slip to #4?

Not sure. I’m not really one for conspiracy. What I do know is that this doesn’t seem to add up.

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 7:17 AM EDT reply actions  

always possible

or maybe he is just out of shape.

by Net Income on Jun 18, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose...

It could be an endurance thing. His physique may look great, but he may not have the tank many people (including I) thought. Even that seems weird though…

Has anybody else said anything like this at all? (anybody not Wolves associated)

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s what I’d consider “out of shape” to be.

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why NBA teams have strength and conditioning coaches.

by TWilliAM on Jun 18, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

the issue

is how serious he is about the game. If he is not in shape for the small number of workouts set up for him, it has to raise questions. It is also ironic that Cousins is supposed to be the one with the conditioning issues.

I haven’t seen enough of either to know which has the best chance at a top-flight NBA career, but these are the sorts of things GM’s look at.

by Net Income on Jun 18, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

To play devils advocate here (and set myself up for the Favors lover/homer comments from Jerry and Andres) the kid has had a lot of workouts recently. He could just be fatigued from the workouts or even be a bit sick.

Or he could have zero interest in spending his down time at the Mall of the Americas and just kind of dogged it a bit in the workout…

by Ryan243 on Jun 18, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a Favors fan, but this is most definitely an issue. Favors has a decent motor and works hard to get position in the post… he just lacks stamina.

by TWilliAM on Jun 18, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why are we talking about Favors instead of Evan Turner?

Thought Sixers will decide fate of Nets future?

Sixers are loaded at wings now. How can they keep both Iggy and Turner unless Turner would be backup PG?

Nets have to offer the Warriors pick to ensure getting Turner.

Any talk about getting some brief meeting with Turner this weekend, to make sure he is healthy and the like?

by jerry25 on Jun 18, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Things are different now.

If Nets are concerned for an injury, he could slip to #4.

Previously, Nets wanted a full workout.
They can now lower that demand.

Before the Draft, Turner was hoping to play for Nets.
Its not as though he has anything against us, but didn’t want to risk anything before.

There are 2 ways this cold go.
Phila. could draft Turner and trade to Nets for #3 pick (and possibly something else).

That way I believe Turner gets the extra $400,000 in salary. Nets lower cap space by same amount.

by jerry25 on Jun 18, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nets needs to be on the stage

they need the publicity. Yormark will be furious if we let Philly do all the drafting for us.

by faNETicS on Jun 18, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe...

It’s a sign of how incompetent Wolves management is if they genuinely think Favors is out of shape.

by BigTom on Jun 18, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

their management hasn't been incompetent under Kahn

McHale was the one who was incompetent

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

They drafted 3 point guards in Kahn’s only draft. Yes, they traded one of them, but so far the one they traded has been the most productive. They also passed on Stephen Curry for Jonny Flynn. You can’t judge a draft class after only one season, but right now it looks like a pretty bad draft given what they could have had.

by J-Kay on Jun 18, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Impressive, rather than productive. Flynn has bigger numbers in bigger minutes, but I personally was more impressed with Lawson

by J-Kay on Jun 18, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really think the draft is a great way to judge

if we judged on drafts only Thorn would be bottom of the barrel.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he hasn’t had a chance to screw up a trade or anything else yet, has he? Draft is all we have to go off of.

by J-Kay on Jun 18, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you trade one year of Randy Foye and Mike Miller for Rubio's rights?

If so, you might like Kahn’s major trade last year at this time.

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by feral on Jun 18, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all fairness, nobody expected Rubio to be available at that pick, but yeah I guess I overlooked that move. Still not sure what Washington was thinking there

by J-Kay on Jun 18, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

"We're going to win now/Avoid luxury tax."

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by feral on Jun 18, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that anybody gives a hoot what I think, but having seen Favors play, I can definitely agree with the TWolves assessment.

He needs serious cardio work.

by TWilliAM on Jun 18, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been saying all along that his problem is he lacks DRIVE/Determination which would lead to becoming out of shape. He's been given a pass because he is 18.

Some of the Biggest Busts lack that quality. Cousins and Turner are driven Winners. Cousins just enjoys food, which can be taken care of more easily than DRIVE.

And given that it would take 2 years to get to where he should be, I PRAY that Sixers take Favors and Nets have full choice of Cousins or Turner.

Besides, Nets would easily beat Sixers if they take “the Project” and we get Turner.

by jerry25 on Jun 18, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What happened was,

the Wolves ran a big slate of conditioning drills at Favors at the start of their workout with him. He was huffing and puffing, and yeah, he wasn’t in ‘game shape’ in that sense.

Now, the posturing over it could mean anything. I will say, Kahn has been essentially evenhanded with talking about prospects. Asked, he’ll always begin with “Liked him,” and then give a short list of pros and cons. They’re basically the same lists you’d get from a Draftexpress entry.

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by feral on Jun 18, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm

Kahn said in his post workout comments that if he was on the board they would take him… Lambeer said the guy is like an ox and is so athletic, yet mid way through his post comments he says he is out of shape.. Listen and wtach the video, Kahn is such a novice at this game…. Up until now, everyone he has worked out for has said how athletic he is, no one has said or rumbled the words that he is out of shape…

by NJNETS13 on Jun 18, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

it seems more likely, all the things you hear from his opponent Laimbeer were good,and now all of a sudden he is a question mark??

by Benl1 on Jun 18, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

BINGO...

Kahn loves the kid… I just spoke to my buddy who works for the Wolves, literally sent me a taxt 5 minutes ago, he said that Favors was a beast yesterday… and would not / could not comment on Kahn’s comments… I have the text to prove it

by NJNETS13 on Jun 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exciting!

not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.

by John at the Jersey Shore on Jun 18, 2010 7:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Considering his comments about Favors appearing out of shape and his emphasis that he is a long-term project, Kahn sounded as though he was trying to downplay his value perhaps hoping for a better chance at landing him.

Not saying it’s not true that Favors could be out of shape, but still. Also, not like any other source has mentioned it

by muwu on Jun 18, 2010 7:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, this is exactly what I was talking about

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can be lazy at times defensively and on the boards depending on his length and leaping ability … Stands too upright and his lateral movement is sloppy … His conditioning has been questioned, often tiring in the latter stages of games.

-Nbadraft.net

nothing new here

by Andy. on Jun 18, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats from 2009

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

of course hes not in shape

you could tell he got tired late in gt games.

by Andy. on Jun 18, 2010 7:20 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Can’t wait to see results form Sixers workout today. I hope they love either Favors or Cousins.

The media don’t yet understand the significance of the Dalembert trade – or they don’t care about Nets getting Turner (much more likely).

I hope everyone realizes, that by Nets getting Turner, the odds of Nets getting a ready-to-go PF and then LeBron goes way up!!
At that point Media will pay attention. Unless LeBron is involved, they don’t care about Nets.

by jerry25 on Jun 18, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poker Show Continues

I Call Sheninagans on Kahn . sorry Buddy he ain’t dropping below 3. he might get picked at 2.

Thorn and Avery will see on Monday how out of shape Favors or Cousins is.

by Hollywoodnet on Jun 18, 2010 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

BS! It is harder for muscular guys when it comes to stamina but there is no way a young kid like that is out of shape.

This draft is making me a nervous wreck! I have developed an eye twitch lately and i think its the stress of this offseason causing it!

Can we please get lucky and grab turner?!!!!!

by power_njerz on Jun 18, 2010 7:33 AM EDT reply actions  

...And don't even get me STARTED on John Wall.

I saw him go up against Eddy Curry in a hotdog eating contest the other day. You may have seen it too… it was live on ESPN 31.

(rolls eyes)

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cousins/Favors video

showed Cousins sweating a lot more…….. but also playing a lot better than Favors.

Having said that, I suspect Minnesota is playing head games to shake up the draft sequence. Ironically, it could have the effect of persuading NJ to pick up “the safe choice” (Wes Johnson) which is who Minny would presumably want more than Favors anyway. Hard to figure the logic of this.

Also answers the question why players might want to limit their workouts. Favors no doubt regrets working out for Minn…… specially when it looked like he was a lock to go top 3.

by Oligarch on Jun 18, 2010 7:36 AM EDT reply actions  

no, it didnt

it showed Cousins in a grey shirt and Favors in a black shirt. There is NO way to tell which of the two were sweating more, based on that video, with the two of them in different shirts, shot from half court.

by Net Income on Jun 18, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

re- sweat

I don’t think that really says much. Some guys sweat more than others. Patrick Ewing was in great shape, and he sweat more than 8 out of 10 Biggest Loser contestants.

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by robertjamis on Jun 18, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perkins/Big Baby, too

they always look like they could have a heart attack at any given moment

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perkins' offseason diet consists of...

….pizza and greens. And i’m not talking about greens that you can buy in a supermarket, according to my reputable sources in Texas.

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by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favors is out of shape...

And the Wolves are desperate for a big man. They probably like him better than Cousins. If they thought Favors was out of shape, they probably dislike Cousins.

I keep hearing that they are a lock to take Wes Johnson with the 4th pick, but I really don’t get that. He’s 23, he doesn’t have much of a penetration game, and his upside is nowhere near Cousins, who should be readily available, at a position of need. I think they’re anxious to get Favors.

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by robertjamis on Jun 18, 2010 7:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I'll put it this way

I see no way for the Wolves to look past Favors if he’s still there at #4.

Nothing I’ve read from them in the last 20 minutes changes that.

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

By "big man", he means a 5.

Jefferson and Love are both 4’s.

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but they're both no defense

meh rebounding centers. They’re desperate for an athletic big man to compliment one of them. Which is why they’ve been trying to move one of them for months.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're desperate for a big man that can defend

They even made overtures themselves that if they land Favors something (a trade) would have to happen. And there’s a reason there were Al Jefferson for Danny Granger rumors during the season

by muwu on Jun 18, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the ancient art of war

Minny is trying to sell the dream. Oh he out of shape. How did he get out of shape in a couple of weeks? As our small owner says, “We don’t believe you, You need more people”

by Rawdawg05 on Jun 18, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Well I've read a lot a sources...

….about the incredible atheticism and ability to finish around the rim in workouts….so if he’s out of shape, imagine how can he be if he’s in shape…

I believe Khan is really trying to discourage the Nets giving up on Favors, so they can get him ….but his point may push even harder to the Nets grab Favors.

by Heavinsent on Jun 18, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Man, this is all somehow making me EVEN MORE psyched for the Favors/Cousins workout early next week.

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Posturing and Games....

All the GMs who comment to beat writers or people who then “tweet” are just playing games with each other. But it is like telling jokes, there is sometimes truth hiding in these statements. You have to read between the lines. Thorn has a new boss, and he knows that his continued employment depends on this off season. Bringing in players who can win sometime soon will be his priority. Signing at least two substantial free agents, and three solid drafts picks is what Proky surely wants Thorn to do. Thorn got his coach, that’s check one. Now both Favors and Cousins have question marks. Monday’s workout will be crucial for Thorn. Personally, I hope Cousins rules on Monday and that we pick him, then we sign a FA PF & SF & BU PG. GO THORN! GO NETS! Need more coffee!

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by PaulErstein on Jun 18, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I call bollocks on this one

Impossible that Favors would be less in shape than Cousins.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 8:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ever watch MMA?

Fat looking out of shape guys out last the big bad ass looking muscle demon 9 times out of 10.

by demens on Jun 18, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

Well I’ll pretend that the Nets aren’t a basketball team, and say we should draft Cousins to our MMA squad.

by GMJigga on Jun 18, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I chuckled.

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what now?

The twitter accounting of his workout that cites him as having a great workout is inaccurate? Check out the fanpost on the Jonah Ballow twitter report that muwu posted. Then folks can draw their own conclusion. Mine is that after watching the Sac Kings video on Favors, I’m thinking the Kahn is full of it. This is the same numskull that drafted 3 PGs last year.

by Doesthishurt on Jun 18, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

What?

With 4, count’em 4, first round picks he chose:
at #5: a player he couldn’t sign
at #6: the worst PG in the draft
at #18: a very good player he promptly traded away
at #28: a marginal pro

It was one of the worst drafts I’ve seen.

by calling all toasters on Jun 18, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

mchale was the gm when they drafted rubio I believe

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Khan is easily the biggest idiot GM in the league

The way that franchise is being run is baffling.

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by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favors may just not have the terrific motor to make himself great.

by Chris2 on Jun 18, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Not really assertive

by Andy. on Jun 18, 2010 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I posted up above but remember…..Favors has worked out a lot lately (not just for teams) but with strength coaches, shooting coaches, etc. The kid is 18. He could just be fatigued or battling a small cold.

And consider the possiblity that Favors or Favors agent realized there is no way he slips past 4 so why bust it in a workout for Minny when the real workouts are in Philly and NJ in the next few days? I was just visiting Minnesota with friends to see the Yankees play. There is not much to do there. We ran into AJ Burnett in the Mall of the Americas and when we asked him what to do in Minneapolis, his response was “You’re doing it”.

by Ryan243 on Jun 18, 2010 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Favors a lot but I don’t think he has the explosion coming into the league that Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, or even McDyess had. I don’t think he will be a superstar. He seems like he is missing some intangible qualities that the great ones possess. He will probably be an excellent defender and a quality garbage man on offense who will eventually be able to knock down a mid range jumper with some consistency. He’d certainly fit well on our team, I am not denying that. I think Cousins is a perennial 20-10 guy who is quicker on his feet than many give him credit for. Avery played in an offense with the twin towers already so I think he can design an offense to take advantage of two interior scorers. I think Avery will make the team into a good defensive squad also.

by Chris2 on Jun 18, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Avery played with two superstar big men

I’d hardly consider Brook and Cousins superstar big men.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, give it a few seasons. Who are all these up and coming young 7 footers that are going to be better than Brook and DeMarcus? Brook is probably already the second best younger center in the league behind Dwight.

by Chris2 on Jun 18, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

its comical how many people on this board are down on Brook Lopez. The kid is 21 or 22 years old. What more do you want to see from him? He is going to be a lock for 20-10 and 2 blocks a game for the next 12 seasons. Hopefully we win 5 championships in that time frame.

by Ryan243 on Jun 18, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um

you really think they’ll be players on the level of Duncan and Robinson? Do you remember how good those guys were?

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never said they will be as good as Duncan and Robinson. Duncan is one of the best ever. My point is – they don’t necessarily have to be as good as those guys. They will be superior to what they will face on a game to game basis in the NBA. They wont be going up against Duncan and Robinson. They will be going up against Chandler and Diaw, Bogut and Illyasova, Brand and Hawes, etc.

by Chris2 on Jun 18, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan at 21: 21 pts, 8.6 reb, 2.5 blocks
Lopez at 21: 18.3, 8.4, 1.7

Not far off at all.

by ShawnG on Jun 18, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That actually is pretty far off.

Add that he shot 55% vs 49% and won 56 games vs 12 and we might as well be comparing Jordan to CDR.

by demens on Jun 18, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Agree Chris. I’m afraid favors will be like yi. Have some skill & tons of athlethism but lack that fire… The toughness and desire to be good.

by Andy. on Jun 18, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

not being yi being LIKE yi

by Andy. on Jun 18, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah like YI either

The dude has big soft hands, long arms probably still growing, strong enough to finish with contact, is only 18, hell be alright.

by Atronic on Jun 18, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just looking around the Internet it seems like cousins had more fans then favors.

by Andy. on Jun 18, 2010 9:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Cousins

also had more TV time than Favors, was on the better team, and scores more points. The fact that he’s more popular to the common fan shouldn’t be surprising.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m so bored waiting for this draft. Couldn’t it be right now.

by Ryan243 on Jun 18, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Wolves fan here

Just to clarify it was the coach Rambis that leaned over and said to Kahn “this guys out of shape”. The media present caught the comment and ran with it. I’m sure the Wolves would be happy with either Favors or Cousins. Johnson is really only talked about if the Wolves trade down. Currently we don’t have a real center (Darko out of shape off another team’s bench was our high point) and we are going to have to move a PF between Love and Jefferson regardless of who we draft (they don’t play well together). I’m really looking forward to the Cousins/Favors work out in NJ. I’m happy with whoever you don’t take. Wolves aren’t going to be any good next year anyway so I don’t feel too bad with a couple young big men that will take a little time to develop. What I’m looking forward to finding out most is if Cousins really does have quicker feet than Favors (down low not in the open court) as I don’t trust one test at the combine.

by Airete on Jun 18, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks for the heads up

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by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lopez is better than Dwight Howard offensively. Defensively Howard is better but Lopez is right up there with him also. So Who’s better Lopez or Howard? that’s up for a great debate. Cousins has an consistent 18 ft midrange that I never knew he had same thing goes for Favors as seen in the Sacramento workout. As long as we get a big who can spread the floor we’ve done beautiful in this draft.

If you really think about it Amare doesn’t have an consistent midrange neither does Boozer. Lee has proven this year that he has a consistent midrange game but if we could draft a big and go after a wing such as Gay, Wade, and or James that’s the better scenario I’m really not interested with the bigs in F.A.

by Mikee21 on Jun 18, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Brook Lopez

But please dont compare him to Dwight Howard right now…..please. That is lunacy.

by O Dog on Jun 18, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's nothing wrong with his comparison

he’s right Lopez is fair superior offensively

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Dwight is the best C in the league right now, but that’s certainly no sure thing for the next few years. It’s not like he’s a Kakeem or Shaq in his prime.

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Hakeem

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but he's going to continue to struggle in the playoffs

Meaning D-howard if he doesn’t get some offensive moves, get a softer touch, all you have to do is get some big men like Boston or the Lakers and challenge him

by Atronic on Jun 18, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

or an idiot coach who insists on posting him up

for reasons unknown to anyone

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

two different type players, one uses finesse and skill. while the other uses his brute force, thats why they are both better at their respective sides of the court

by Benl1 on Jun 18, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lopez is a far more skilled player OFFENSIVELY than Howard...

….that doesn’t mean that Brook is better overall

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by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favors not interested at Minny

he’s saving all his energy for Monday’s workout.

Let all the BS and misinformation begins.
=)

by faNETicS on Jun 18, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Nets making a move to promote Cousins

WTH.
At the end of the day, Turner will be a Net.

by faNETicS on Jun 18, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its debatable who is better offensively, not overall, lol, great debate.

Lopez has a jump shot, doesn’t make him better offensively. Howard is clearly stronger and knows how to seal his man and get great post position and is much more effective down low. Just cause he doesn’t hit 20 footers doesn’t make him worst.

by demens on Jun 18, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

what about the other point in this article

Avery likes Cousins. That is going to be a big factor in who the Nets draft.

by darrell1 on Jun 18, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

That's right

…But after the Favors v. Cousins workout, he might be more of a Favor-Fav man…. we’ll see.

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by Rusty_b on Jun 18, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

From a distance,

the prospect of seeing Avery Johnson go all control freak on DeMarcus Cousins is appealing.

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by feral on Jun 18, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 Things to Remember

1) Days before the draft rumors circulated that Dan Marino was “recreational drug user.”

2) This is the first time in their lives that these kids are doing these whirlwind cross country tours. It’s basically fly one day, workout the next day, and then airborne again. As a frequent flyer for my job, I can tell you that it took a long while to get used to it, sleeping in a different bed with a different pillow all the time. I still get sore & stiff from plane rides & hotel beds. It would not surprise me if these kids (not just Favors) are all completely wiped out at this point in the process.

by TheNetsFan on Jun 18, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Intersting that No One Else Has Said This..

In Favors’ workouts so far.

I do think it is a slight ploy by Minny, but more power to them. They’re just playing the game.

by Jack Handy Jr on Jun 18, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

If Avery likes DC

He must think he can play PF, right?

by darrell1 on Jun 18, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

If bynum and gasol play together… Then why not cousins and brook. Brook is faster then gasol and cousins looks just as fast as bynum. There length is what makes the difference

by Andy. on Jun 18, 2010 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gasol and Bynum are simply better defenders and rebounders.

by J-Kay on Jun 18, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gasol is a better defender

He has grown into that role. Did you see him two years ago?

by Rawdawg05 on Jun 18, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amare stepped all over Gasol in the playoffs...

giving him a slight bump before going up was all Amare did…
Gasol uses his length very well tho…but he has been doing that ever since he came into the league…

by jirohkanzaki on Jun 18, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

They also run the triangle and Gasol might be the best passing big man in the league, totally different scenario

It’s also why Minny liked Darko even though he is “out of shape”. They are trying to run the triangle and for all of Darko’s faults, he is a great passer

by SadNetsFan on Jun 18, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gasol is a PF, Bynum is a C.

That doesn’t have anything to do with Brook and Cousins. They’re both C, plain and simple. Brook is not quicker than Gasol. He is not consistent enough from midrange. He’s not as great of a passer yet. If last season didn’t prove to you that Brook is a C, you need to strongly reconsider your thinking.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah comparing brook and gasol in terms of speed? cmon man

by Fr@nkl1n on Jun 19, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're blowing smoke

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

How are they blowing smoke?

Favors will be in Jersey on Monday and the Nets will be able to see whether he’s in good shape or not, so trying to make this seem as a smokescreen doesn’t make sense, IMO.

by Andres B on Jun 18, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

It does makes sense

If you want favors do you let it slip…..“This guy is the greatest since sliced bread”? Or do you try to downplay your interest because you are reading there may be a schism in the Nets office about Favors and Cousins?

What does it hurt? It makes more sense to give false info rather than tell your opponent you rather have cousins and the other guys is out of shape when they will draft your player.

by Rawdawg05 on Jun 18, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Favors will workout for the Nets in a couple of days. It’s pointless to try to blow smoke about the kid being out of shape if he rally isn’t, bc the Nets will find out whether that’s is true or not on Monday. That’s my point.

by Andres B on Jun 18, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

gms aren’t stupid. One gm talking down a player isn’t going to suddenly make every gm change his opinion. It’s like how people said Thorn talked down Turner so that other teams wouldn’t want him, how can people possibly think anyone that stupid would be employed.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most GMs are actually quite stupid

The Hedo Turkoglu signing in a desperate effort to make Bosh happy? Taking Rafael Araujo in the top 10? Signing two role players in Ben Gordon and Charlie V to 100 million dollars?

There are only a handful of GMs with an actual brain.

by muwu on Jun 18, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but thats a different type of stupid

than forming your opinion on a player based on a comment from another gm.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's not for us

Or just trying to inject doubt into the nets brass if what they see is inconclusive. But it could be Kahn just being stupid and thinking it would work. He’s no brilliant tactician

by muwu on Jun 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't get it.

Under the logic that saying bad things only means they are blowing smoke then they could never actually say anything bad about a player.

Every time someone says Favors is raw, or out of shape his defenders will say the criticism is just “blowing smoke”. It’s a stupid argument.

by SadNetsFan on Jun 18, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

These GMs have been blowing smoke so hard they've had put to towels under the door...

….but we can still smell it in the hall way.

Thorn has been blowing smoke about Turner
Kahn seems to be blowing smoke about Favors

but, i’ll withhold final judgement until the reviews come in from his Nets workout

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by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure that Prokhy...

….has been in night clubs where there has been questionable aromas in the air. A man of his stature would not be fazed at all.

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by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% pure smoke blowing

All this means is that Kahn wants Favors. Which ironically gives me some slight misgivings about Favors.

by calling all toasters on Jun 18, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

why'd he refuse to work out in Minny?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I’ve read, Cousins’ camp believes Wesley Johnson is the Wolves pick (assuming the top 3 falls as projected)

by J-Kay on Jun 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats still ridiculous

he’s going to turn down a work out because the team that’s picking there might be picking too high? Wtf.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i heard that the weather in the winter isn't ideal for...

….someone with man boobs.

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by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

His agent's explanation

was that the Wolves’ frontcourt situation already has plenty of bodies.

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by feral on Jun 18, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yi & Humph

I just can’t go through another season of Yi & Humph splitting minutes at the 4. Yi is a novelty act, and Humph stinks around the rim. Neither has enough lateral speed to guard a decent 4. I don’t know that the draft is where we will get our PF for next year. I think if we sign DLEE and AJ gets into his head about defense, he could be our PF for the next five years. I look for TWILL, Devin, CLee and Brook to flourish under AJ. AND AJ is smart enough to use both Brook and Cousins together sometimes too. I’d like to see us talented 1-10 next season, and go from 12 to 41 wins. With a good draft, a solid new coach, and two or three productive free agents, it is possible. WIth the playoffs over, and network TV in horrible second season reality shows, and Florida thunderstorms every day, I can’t wait till draft day and free agent signings.

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by PaulErstein on Jun 18, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

As a backup yeah a big who can shoot

I think he’s worth keeping around just not playing 40 min a night like under Kiki

by Atronic on Jun 18, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless Nets are desparate for cap space, they will keep Yi on the bench at least until the trade deadline.

That is because Proky wants to get Chinese hooked on Nets and help Proky’s International image.

However, Avery will have limited patience with Yi. It would be based on performance only.

And I like Hump. Hump determines his own future. Its too soon to see the team makeup yet before judging Humps’ importance.

by jerry25 on Jun 18, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prokhorov will not allow Yi to hinder this team. If shipping him off is required in order to sign Bron/Bosh, that’s what we will do.

by J-Kay on Jun 18, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

they should add Cousins, he'd fit right in.

The team plane would struggle get off of the ground.

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by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

'struggle in an attempt to"

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its funny right now everybody is positioning themselves for what player they want

Saying things to maybe sway another team one way or the other, all I know is were getting Favors or Turner, bottom line were in a GREAT position.

by Atronic on Jun 18, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm fine with either kid

The #3 pick doesn’t look so bad after all.

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither of them...

… will play for the Nets, IMO. Turner is a lock at 2 and Cousins will be the Nets’ pick after beating Favors on Monday. Check Ford’s comments on their head to head in Philly.

by Andres B on Jun 19, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ford makes the D Howard / Okafor mistake

Uh, Chad, they’re both college freshmen. Cousins may be 11 months older, but saying he’s much more polished right now doesn’t make Emeka the natural comparison.

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by feral on Jun 19, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

Howard came out of HS. Favors has played one year in college, just like Cousins, and he’s not nearly as developed despite his “great” work ethic.

by Andres B on Jun 19, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh...

The Wolves just want Favors to drop.

by NetsForce on Jun 18, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

huge bust

Statistically, 1 of the top 4 (or 2 of 4) draft picks will be a huge bust. Between Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, who do you think it’ll be?

by 3ptChucker on Jun 18, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Wall is going to have trouble living up to the hype

I think Favors has nowhere to go but up, since he’s being looked at like the rawest guy ever who can’t even dribble a basketball. Turner I think will have the most success early on, I think Cousins will fair probably the second best early on, but will struggle against charges and offensive foul calls getting called against him, learning that in the NBA you can’t just bowl over people, there much stronger and athletic.

by Atronic on Jun 18, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

it depends what you mean by huge bust

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think at a certain point we all understand vaguely what he means by “huge bust”.

2005- Bogut, Marvin, Deron, Paul…under any guidelines Marvin is the bust.
2006- Bargnani, Aldridge, Morrison, Tyrus- Bargnani is eh, Aldridge is good, Tyrus is inconsistent, and Morrison is the bust

I got too lazy to keep going.

by SadNetsFan on Jun 18, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's both.

Perhaps there are legitimate concerns about Favors’ stamina through 48 minutes, but at the same time Kahn could be making it seem like it’s bigger than it is.

by muwu on Jun 18, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

The suggestion was that Favors wouldn't get much PT, so why care about stamina?

Favors problem is that he lacks the Drive to Win. That is a recipe for underachieving.

We shouldn’t dwell on Minny as Phila and Nets will see Favors/Cousins 1st hand.

What is important is that hopefully Minny doesn’t push to get #2 pick from Phila. thus forcing Thorn into a bidding War.
Otherwise, Minny would be guaranteed to have either Cousins or Favors available.
It is funny though than Cousins’ agent refuses to work out his man in Minny.
That is a sign of a BAD GM in Minny. Kahn talks too much.

Maybe Cousins would rather play in Sac. for less money than in Minny?

by jerry25 on Jun 18, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do we know Favors lacks the "drive to win"?

And how do we know Cousins doesn’t lack that same drive to win? Or Wall, even? Heck, Cousins, Wall, Bledsoe, and Patterson had each other making life much, much easier.

What is this “drive to win”, anyways? Sounds like some made up crap someone made to justify their reasoning to not draft someone.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cousins?

The book on DeMarcus is “Burns too hot by far,” not “doesn’t care.”

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by feral on Jun 18, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He lacks assertiveness, he's a guy who's not a guy who will demand the ball and try to be the star

But at the same time he’s very coachable and is a willing learner. It doesn’t really matter to me if he doesn’t have a star complex to be a superstar, doesn’t mean he won’t produce. Ben Wallace was a guy who was perfectly happy just rebounding and playing defense as well

by muwu on Jun 18, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right - and to add, I don't think people realize

that he has the tools to be a defensive game-changer, with the ability to provide some offense. Those types of players are useful in the NBA, if people couldn’t tell.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, he doesn't need to demand the ball

…..just defend, rebound, finish, catch passes, and block shots.

The less ego, the better. As long as he is ruthless in those areas I listed above, i could care less.

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stamina issues as a rookie is nothing new for anybody. Brook had them if I recall correctly.

by J-Kay on Jun 18, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want Bosh. He is a jerk.

Did I read that Bosh said BOTH the Knicks and Nets have a nice young core???

What do the Knicks have besides the Robotic Gallinari?

I think Bosh is one of those people who thinks Knicks will have David Lee.

I doubt Bosh would get along with BLopez anyway. Bosh wants to be top dog except to LeBron.

by jerry25 on Jun 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Bosh clearly...

….has no clue about what he’s talking about. I think he was just shooting the shhhhhhhhh

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

WES JOHNSON!!

Derrick Favors has BUST written all over him and Cousins is a lazy malcontent as well.

Wes Johnson is a MAN and a GYM RAT who never stops working and never stops smiling about it, not some little punk who thinks he’s entitled, and he’s a freakish athlete who can jump out of the building and also knock down the jumpshot from anywhere, shallow, mid range or three!

This is such a no brainer its ridiculous, the only reason its not a slam dunk is because people natrually over-rate the BIGS … happens all the time … most common mistake in the draft by a country mile.

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

He's injury prone

and bad at playing through injuries. That’s why it’s not a “no brainer” to me.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

because it doesn't make any sense to spend the 3rd overall pick

on a player who can’t create his own shot. Especially when there will be plenty of interesting sf available for lower picks, and likely in next years draft.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He can create his own shot

I don’t know where you got that from. I saw him create his shot hundreds of times last year.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft Express says that...

…one of his weaknesses is the ability to create his own shot

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

good to see you posting over on this section too, Pegs

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

You don’t draft a player who’s ceiling is that of a good role player #3 overall.

by NetsForce on Jun 18, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Better than drafting

someone who won’t contribute at all….or who will contribute negatively.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

who won't contribute at all?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't really know yet.

We’ll have to wait and see. Could be because of injury, mental problems, laziness, lack of skill….you never know.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

what

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

no i see what you mean

I just don’t see how that makes Johnson a better choice than the other candidates.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favors

That’s who (won’t contribute at all)

He’s a fat tub of chit and an over-rated athlete/player.

At least Cousins is a legit talent, but he’s lazy, entitled and a head case.

Wes Johnson will be an immediate starter and a borderline all-star in year one, mark it down!

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry

Sorry for starting a new thread, I meant to reply to the other one, to Gina.

My apologies.

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

what

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You asked who won't contribute right away

And I answered your question, only I started a new thread by mistake.

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favors is fat? …wut

by J-Kay on Jun 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not fat in the traditional sense

But in a basketball sense, YES, his body is not defined and you can see he looks more like a flabby kid than a solid man.

Look at Wes Johnson, that dude is solid as a rock, you can tell he works out incessantly.

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

his bodys probably not defined

because he’s only spent one year on a weight program and is still growing.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a kid, yes.

He’s an 18-year-old kid who looks like a fricking Greek God.

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by feral on Jun 18, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell you what,

I saw his workout the other day firsthand.

You know how Bill Simmons describes the “Whoa” factor with players like David Robinson? Derrick Favors has that going on a little bit. He’s only 18, and he looks like that kind of physique is in him.

As a draft prospect there a big dollop of “looks the part” to the guy, but man does he ever look the part.

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by feral on Jun 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favors isn't fat

6.5% body fat. Cousins is the fat one. Just to be factually consistent.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt Cousins in the fat one

But I’m not surprised to hear Favors is out of shape. I never looked at him and thought, that kid looks like a Gym Rat.

He looks like the BOY that he is

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is chiseled?

tayshaun prince thinks that dude needs to hit the weights.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, Tayshaun has had one hell of a career

Not that bad of a guy to be compared to. That’s definitely who I’d compare Wes to.

by pegs on Jun 18, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I was joking about size

and I’m not sure Johnson is really all that comparable to prince. I don’t think he has near his length or defensive skills.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Body fat and stuff matters when the guy is huge, not when he is skinny. Someone please remember the whole Kevin Durant thing…OMG HE CAN’T LIFT A WEIGHT HE IS SO SKINNY OMG OMG… the “fat” guys don’t usually make it (Tractor Traylor) let’s not get caught up in Wes Johnson’s weight…

Also, I’m not talking about Tweeners like Tyrus either, obviously those guys will usually struggle as well

by SadNetsFan on Jun 18, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd have been a beast at the team dinner table

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

jerry25 I don’t understand how what you said about Tractor Traylor applies to the conversation. I do agree that Thorn has been looking for a “beast” to grab rebounds and be an intimidating defensive force though.

by SadNetsFan on Jun 18, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG NOW THEY'RE BOTH FAT!!!!!

Before the showdown, they should have a boxing style weigh in

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I hate over-rated BIG, Hab

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Body fat is not the end all be all

You can have a low body fat and still be in terrible condition.

Heck if you’re an 18 Y/O athlete and you don’t have a 6.5 BF you’re a lost cause, but that doesn’t mean your body is defined.

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Not true

6.5 was in the lower half of players this draft, and generally the lower half of potential prospects.

by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 18, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not about "weights"

You don’t want an insane 2/3 athlete like Wes Johnson to get tight with weight lifting. You want him to stay fluid, wirey and flexible. But you want him in condition to go 48 minutes and Wes is already int hat type of shape, because the kid parctically lives in the gym.

This kid can run and jump all day and all nite, and his length is terrific as is his jumper.

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Fine, draft Derrick Favors

I’m not gonna argue about it, I said what I had to say, told you all Favors is a BUST waiting to happen. Now take him and see what happens. If that’s who you want, go ahead and take him.

Good luck, you’re gonna need it.

by Dobermite on Jun 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

this is from nothing but an omnious belief that bigs in the lottery become busts, Watch his game, listen to his comments, develop your own opinion, i cant stand people who hear, raw and a project and automatically consider them busts, just ignorant

by Benl1 on Jun 18, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Thorpe doesn't seem to think it's true. From yesterday's chat
Coach, reports out of Minnesota are that Favors was out of shape at his work out. What

Coach Thorpe: Don’t believe everything you read. Unless it comes from Chad.

by muwu on Jun 18, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I think its better to see what happens when they go head to head, all of this other non-sense is unnecessary. Out of shape? There wasn’t a problem at the draft combine where his body fat was at 6.5. And lets be realistic he’s and 18 year old college freshman, his diet probably consist of fried food and skittles.

by Jid on Jun 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oodles of Noodles bro, Oodles of Noodles.

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Jun 18, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

A year ago they faced each other twice as Seniors in HS.

Favors made Cousins look like crap. The problme that Cousins has is he is a pldder compared to Favors. Favors is gonna school him again.

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Probation is a very slippery slope!

by StinkyFingers on Jun 18, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

i'd imagine in a 1 on 1 setting

it’d be WAY closer

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 18, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know, with Favors athleticsm and speed he might have the upper hand on the one on one, cousins isnt that quick on the drive, Favors would just have to d up closer on the outside, but other then that they are two different positioned players, i think this workout is more for cousins, to see how well he can compete at the pf position as there is question in his speed and athleticsm but i dont see the nets picking up anyone else but Favors unless Turner drops.

by Benl1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the 1 on 1 would be perfect to show Favors skill, while the 5 on 5 would be a better suit for Cousins

by Benl1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The part where Cousins is named "Player of the Game" is especially damning about DeMarcus.

It’s striking how, in High School, both of them were basically criticized for playing too much faced up outside.

You can really see how skilled Cousins is, though.

(StinkyFingers is an established troll at this point for me.)

"Sarchasm": (var. sarcasm) The gap in understanding which occurs when one attempts to be self-deprecating on behalf of others.

by feral on Jun 18, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

His team won by 8. And when does a guy on the losing team win POG?

by ShawnG on Jun 18, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, yeah, that's what I'm saying?

At 4:30+ in the video, there’s DeMarcus being named POG, and his team’s up by 21 at that point.

Everything goes through DeMarcus C. on that team, and man…. The bit where, at around 3:13, his teammate misses him badly, he recovers deftly at the sideline and finds a shooter, and then he cleans up at the end of the miss with a putback…. The guy has mad skills for a High Schooler, and they’re not the “He overwhelms people in the post with his size” skills you expect at all. If he can show anything like that kind of face-up game in the NBA, he will kill. Derrick Coleman with more size, and more post-up game, and meaner.

"Sarchasm": (var. sarcasm) The gap in understanding which occurs when one attempts to be self-deprecating on behalf of others.

by feral on Jun 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading the article makes it seem like Favors isn’t as “raw” as everyone thinks he is.

Also funny to see that since then Favors has added a lot muscle to his frame and Cousins has added about 25 pounds of fat. Really says a lot about their work ethic.

by mikegrand15 on Jun 19, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what's interesting.

Although I like Favors for his defensive ability I keep coming back to the fact that Cousins is a big time winner and it might not be in a box score that make people understand why he’s a big reason for it..

by msm2 on Jun 19, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Cousins played with 4 other first round picks and still didn’t manage to make the final four…

by J-Kay on Jun 19, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was anyone other than Mini I’d be concened but I think Kahn and crew ain’t geat at their jobs.

by shea23 on Jun 19, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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