Favors vs. Cousins - A Preview
The Kings released a short video Tuesday of their weekend workout of Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Cousins. Although the two didn't go one-on-one, they were on the court for drills. They go one-on-one Monday in New Jersey.
As advertised, the 6'11" Cousins shot extraordinarily well from all over the court. Word was that he hit 78% of his shots in the workout, and there's nothing on the video to suggest those numbers were inflated. Meanwhile, the 6'10" Favors shows off some of his athleticism as well as a nice shooting stroke around the key.
In comments Tuesday, Rod Thorn described what each has to do Monday. "With a player like Cousins, can he play forward? Is there any chance he can play power forward or is he strictly a five?"
"Favors is 18 years old — won’t be 19 until September — so he’s like a work in progress. So we want to get a look at them, see how they move, see how they shoot, those kind of things."
- Kings Pre-Draft Workout: DeMarcus Cousins & Derrick Favors 6/12/10 (Video) - Kingsflix - YouTube
- Nets Leaning Toward Taking Favors - Adam Zagoria - Zags Blog
- The NBA Draft Ramifications Of A Derrick Favors vs. DeMarcus Cousins Workout - Daniel Marks - DIME
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I really dont care anymore
i’ll be happy with either one. They both have different strengths and weaknesses but they both can potentially be dominant. Just a matter of how the nets approach to develop such talent.
Ion beam induced deposition?
jk
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jun 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Insane Bouncing, Inducing Death?
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I'd be thrilled to have either one...
It will be fun to watch either of them development in this system.
BPA but draft for need
I know Thorn ought to draft BPA, but in our case this year ‘need’ will tip in favor of Favors. Favors can really move, and he can keep up with DHoward for years to come. I really like Cousins stroke for a big man. They both have their respective weaknesses, but I don’t think we’ll do wrong with Favors. Our team desperately needs a strong defensive PF who can clean around the paint, and with the 3 pick this year, we’ll get a really good one.
But don't Nets need a true backup center too? Cousins could allow Nets to save using a pick for a backup center who won't be any better than say Boone.
Thorn has to also consider the whole picture – how free agency will go. Drafting Vitkor Khryapa / Scola / DLee are all considerations.
There are a lot of moving parts.
Anyone know if Brook will stay around until Monday? When I first saw Brook, my first thought was that he wanted to see Cousins workout today (until it was postponed).
I have to say that Cousins looks like a more serious person than we were making him out to be (not so immature afterall)
and Favors does look good when he isn’t being covered by a Big.
It is understandable why Thorn would want to test Favors with a man on him.
we can use the 27th or 31st pick on a back up
not the 3rd overall
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
It looks like either Favors or Cousins would be a backup
Depending on how free agency comes out.
This happens with 3rd picks sometimes. Look at the past couple of years. Harden was a backup, Tyrus Thomas is a backup (I don’t count Adam Morrison as the 3rd pick in that draft), Deron didn’t start out of the gate, Ben Gordon was a 6th man…. It happens more often than you’d think.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If the pick is Favors, and Nets took say DLee, then giving Favors PT at backup Center is probably better than wasting the #31 pick on someone who would have to start from scratch.
Boone (if available for Vets Min) or Hump if he re-signs, would get minutes too.
Still, this should be a plus for Cousins over Favors if one was scoring the pros and cons of each pick.
If...
they pick Favoirs at # 3 and pay DLee to come here, that is just plain stupid… You are just looking for a way to justify that you’re right that Cousins is the person the NETS should take… Why would you spend a #3 on a player if you are going to sign a close to max FA to come in and play in front of him for the next 5 years? Where is the logic in that? I do not believe that is what they will do. They need a 4 that can play D, rebound, and give whatever they can offensively. Favors, 1000% gives them that, and probably more. His D is not raw, his O is, and I bet its not nearly as raw as people are making it seem… Dude, jump on the band wagon, no one will hate you, they will think you’re a bigger man for it…
Nets 2010 Front Line: Brook, Amare, Derrick
We draft Derrick, then sign Amare. Amare can play both 4 & 5. Plus possibly Yi and Hump. That is a damn solid front line.
how often are they back ups behind 23 year old franchise players?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I am at I don't care mode as well
Both can be great, both can be busts. Cousins can be a better Lopez or a Zach Randolph, Favors can be a lesser scoring Amare or a Udonis Haslem or something. At this point, there is no right and wrong, there is no way to tell how each will develop.
Kerber is wa more informed than Dave D
And I am sure that Dave D will get even less info after his rant about Proky.
by rundmc00 on Jun 16, 2010 8:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kerber is way more informed than Dave D
And I am sure that Dave D will get even less info after his rant about Proky.
by rundmc00 on Jun 16, 2010 8:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would put odds at 60-40 for Favors now, and could be 60-40 for Cousins after Monday if he leaves off where he did in Sac.
It must be difficult for Thorn to deal with his BPA line. With John Wall available he was willing to throw Devin to the dogs before moving him to SG.
If all of a sudden Wesley Johnson proves he can be a great ball handler (ie play some SG), then a poor performance by Favors could instead result in Thorn taking Johnson and using free agency to fill PF, as originally expected.
I think its higher than 60%
Lets not forget the scouts and GM are not only looking at todays performance but also what they think these players are going to project out. Its why Dwight Howard was selected over Emaka Okafor. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. What I love about Favors is his work ethic.
Thanks,
Omar
That was a tougher pick with Howard vs. Okafor, since Howard came out of HS
I’m sure if Howard had 1 year of college it would have been an easier decision.
Howard is so strong. Favors isn’t.
But then we are talking about PF, which Howard can’t play and Cousins can play BOTH PF and Center.
Cousins was way more dominant than Favors during 1st year of College. The excuse that continues to work for Favors is his being 1 year younger and being able to jump higher. Jumping High wasn’t enough for SWat.
If Rod Thorn were to say that it is a toss-up between Cousins and Favors,
then Favors agent would be upset and cancel joint workout.
By having him believe he is the favorite, is the reason we are having the contest on Monday.
It is how Thorn got Favors’ agent to agree. They spread the word that it was just a test for Favors.
Since the Sac. workout, I think it is about a toss-up.
May the better man win!
Wrong...wrong...wrong
If it was a toss-up, Favors would want to work out. The favorite never wants to work out because he has nothing to gain.
THANK YOU!!!
I don’t get the previous logic…
But Thorn said to Favors' agent - either work out against Cousins or I don't your guy.
May the better Man Win.
Or do you disagree and want the weaker man to win?
If Phila really wants a top Center for next 10 years, they might like what they see in Cousins on Friday.
It would depend on whether they could move Brand’s huge contract. Nets certainly aren’t takers.
Ed would have to approach Rod and nicely ask for a trade.
I’ll bet Rod has been the Poker player with his former GM, and hasn’t said a thing about a trade.
The first person who asks, is the one who will lose out.
Actually
if that turns out to be the case, I think Ed would be more inclined to trade with MN, who they could probably pry the #16 out of as well… I think Ed is smart enough to know thatthe NETS taking Cousins is not that likely. But, in this instance, I actually do hope that your locic is correct…
If Philadelphia wanted either Cousins or Favors, but didn't like both of them, they would have be certain who the Nets would draft with the #3 pick.
Phila. would be drafting #4 and would be taking a risk if Nets already took the player they wanted.
Therefore for Phila to bypass Nets and go to Minny, would be like rolling the dice.
I don’t care who we get both of them could SHOOT! that’s all i really wanted a big forward who could spread the floor.
Yes, where does Yi fit in?
I had thought it would take someone like Viktor Khryapa to make Yi obsolete.
Cousins/Favors may do it themselves.
Article yesterday from SNY...
Had several Nets sources stating that Favors is the heavy favorite. Also showed Favors went 15/10/2.5 blocks in last 10 games against SEC, which Horford did not approach until his junior year.
by rundmc00 on Jun 16, 2010 8:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
They both looked good but
without a defender, Yi would look good. The real test will be when they defend each other. I will say Favors didn’t look so raw and Cousins didn’t look so fat. We’re good with either one but we have to take the better defender.
Their 1 on 1 wouldn't really be so telling
I don’t think anyone expects Favors to contain Cousins, best he can do is to be competent against him. Cousins has 50 pounds and an offensive skill set over Favors. That’s not gonna be the type of guys he’s gonna be facing in the NBA. I think this is just a test to see how aggressive/physical/relentless of a man to man defender Favors can be. I think most everyone would be surprised if Cousins doesn’t beat Favors.
In a pure low-post test
I agree. Big Cuz SHOULD win handsomely.
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Can Favors can infulence Cuz's shot?
In a 1 on 1 the pass is not an option so it forces the player with the ball to make a move, and if Cuz cannot take Favors down low with his strength then regardless of Cuz’s success on the perimeter, Favors has accomplished his goal. That’s what I would be looking for. I want to see Favors’ ability to guard the paint. For Cuz I want to see him take Favors out of comfort zone. The last time they played each other Favors put up big numbers although it was in H.S. it appears that Favors could do what he wanted and if that’s still the case then this pick is clear.
Disagree, one of the big things going for Favors his defensive ability
& versatility. He’ll have trouble with Cousins because Cousins is a great player in the low block, but that’s no excuse. He should be able to contain him to some degree. Cousins has unbelievable footwork for a kid his age, though, so it’s going to be a challenge.
What they really need to do is bring in a few guys and have them run a 5-on-5 where neither one is required to be the center on the floor, to see how they run faceup games. Unfortunately that’s unlikely.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It could be nothing, but...
Big Cuz looked to be really laboring from about the two minute mark onwards – seemed sluggish, not much elevation. He just looked really heavy on his feet. Now, of course he IS heavy on his feet. I guess my point is that Favor Fav looked a lot more agile.
All of this is going off of a 2:35 youtube clip though. I don’t want to blow things up out of proportion, but that’s just what I noticed.
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Did you see Cousins' shirt? It was SOAKED in sweat
Those alleyoops looked effortless for Favors.
And just to say Favors didn’t look so bad taking it off the dribble on the faceup. His agility will be an asset for him in terms of facing up in the post.
I definitely did notice the shirt.
…though he was wearing grey. Who’s to say that Derrick’s shirt wouldn’t have looked the same if it wasn’t black? lol.
Like I said, I’m trying not to take the clip and blow it out of proportion but it did seem as though Cousins was struggling a bit.
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I noticed the same thing
I also noticed that during the interviews afterwards Cousins was out of breath while Favors didn’t appear to break a sweat.
That too, Mike.
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also my biggest concern
Watching a lot of Kentucky games last season that seemed pretty much the norm for Cousins. He tired out rather easily, and that was only in a 30+ game season in a SEC conference that wasn’t that strong. What’s he gonna do in a 82+ NBA season against players that are as good or better than him?
He will most definitely need a strength and conditioning coach.
And so it seems that Favors isn't totally lacking of a jumpshot like people might like to make out
Getting less raw looking by the day. Sure Cousins is a better shooter, but to say Favors has no mid range game is wrong. I think the issue for him is to be able to get a quicker release since his release is a bit slow and that gives more time for the defender to close in so he would have to rush his shot (which draftexpress noted, his shot mechanics only really look bad when he rushes)
Would never be a problem.
At this stage, he is not a one-on-one player, so he would only need to take wide open j’s when his man slacks off or is lost.
I want
a player with Cousins’ talent and Favors’ athleticism, attitude. Can we find that? lol
by Alex F on Jun 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions
Trenton Hassel!
Well, he has one of the three….
by calling all toasters on Jun 16, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Bigger is not always better in b-ball
Awareness, the height of the jump and timing are the key. Even if Cousins is the bigger man, I want to see Favors play above the rim and influence his shot to the point of discouragement. It might not happen but that’s what I’m hoping to see. You see Cousins on the perimeter, Favors is the winner.
Nah, Cousins will be able to establish position by sheer bulk alone
He has a 50 pound advantage over Favors! But if Favors can get physical and aggressive with his defense at least, it will prove he’s not just some weakside shotblocker like a lot of guys in the L
He might get position
but can he finish? If Favors can influence his shot, positioning will be irrelevant. Anything other than a dunk might be something Favors acn defend. Plus Cuz might not be able to establish his position on his own with the ball. He might need a PG to throw it to him because he has trouble with his back to the basket while dribbling. Just some things Thorn needs to look at.
Favors 6 % body fat , Cousins 16% body fat, Favors is solid i dont think cousins is going to push him around down low too much.
I am convinced that it has to be Favors...
And Kings draft Monroe so Big Cuz goes 6 or 7 just like the mocks say.
by rundmc00 on Jun 16, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
that would be amazing, wouldn't it?
A big man with #1 pick talent going 6 or 7
Cousins has flags...
Wall, Turner and Favors are obvious. Minny just doesn’t need another slow center type. Kings are interesting but they did well with Brad Miller and Divac as passing centers (ala Greg Monroe).
By number 6 or 7, you have to give Cousins a chance and the Pistons would jump for joy if Cousins is available at #7.
Cousins has almost a 5" reach advantage over Monroe and can jump to a higher point. Monroe is less athletic than Cousins, without losing more weight.
Can’t see Sac. passing on Cousins, unless Detroit made big offer. Detroit is in love with Cousins.
Cousins looks a lot better here than I thought he would. He’s got a quicker release than Favors, looks like a more natural stroke. Has better moves and looks more natural spinning and shooting. Favors has more hops, more quickness moving towards the basket. They both look like they could be studs.
Favors
We are a much better team with Cousins or Favors – and I think Cousins will be a good pro. What I saw:
Favors is an ATHELETE. He looked like he was floating on those alley oops. Cousins had to gather himself – it might have been late in a long hard workout so I will cut Cousins some slack – but that only makes Favors effortlessness that much more impressive.
Cousins is a very good spot up shooter – but beyond the lift iissue he seems to push the ball from out in front of his face. He is going to have a very hard time getting that type of shot off in the pros. With bigs in his face and athletic leapers coming at him. Favors has a much higher release point and seems to almost fade away versus falling into the shot. Combine that with his explosiveness and you have a future offensive weapon.
Favors is huge. Yes Cousins is a monster – but at just 18 years old Favors looks like he could literally outgrow Dwight Howard. He might not be able to push Cousins around the lane this month, but what upside.
I like Cousins and I would not cry if we picked him……but Favors is the guy I want to see in a NETS uni.
Well said...
It has to be be Favors and I was glad to read last night that Nets said the team is leaning heavily towards Favors.
by rundmc00 on Jun 16, 2010 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think that is true based on Thorn's remark about Favors being a work in progress (code name for Project).
And we haven’t heard from the new coach yet. He would determine minutes, which would in turn determine what the Nets had to do in free agency regarding getting another Big.
Project?
Just 1 question Jerry, if Favors is a project and Cousins is the next big thing, why in the world is Rod Thorn even considering Favors? It makes no logical sense. A new owner who wants to win now, willing to spend big money and they are going to draft a “project”, over the next Moses Malone. Makes no sense. Come on now.
Favors is no project, Thorn is playing poker with everyone. He knows that Philly LOVES Favors and may even pick him 2nd, yes ahead of Cousins (shocking I know). He may just be trying to make sure that he gets the guy he really wants. When you look at the NBA game today Cousins/Lopez doesnt cut it. You watch KG, Amare, Gasol, Dwight…any of the bigs today- athletic, skilled players who can play the 4 or the 5 (yes Dwight could play the 4 if he wanted to). All of them except for Gasol came in this league under the same manner that Favors will- athletic, a little raw, still growing, but oozing talent.
Cut and paste...
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — The Nets are strongly leaning toward taking Derrick Favors with the No. 3 pick in the NBA Draft, multiple team sources said.
by rundmc00 on Jun 16, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am really hoping Favors is there when we pick 3rd. I have a weird feeling that Philly might swipe him at 2. I do like Evan Turner as well, but, my head is set at filling the power forward position with the athletic monster that is Favors. Favors and Brook. Nice tandem.
LETS GO NETS!
It can be ablessing in disguise
that we lost a lottery. By picking Favors Nets can have one of the most dominant frontcourt for years to come. Favor can and WILL become bigger, stronger naturally and more polished offensiveley just on pure work ethic. I really didn’t see that much of a difference (Cousins stroke is that of Zach Randolf and Favors is that of Carlos Boozer) in those two jump shots efficiency. And it was advertised that Cousins has very good jump shot range whereas Favors offensive game is non existant!
I really can’t see why people would even argue in favor of Cousins. Watch for 1-on-1 to solidify Derrick as our one and only choice!
And let someone else to put out a truck of burgers on a sideline to stimulate Big Cuz to work a little bit.
Favors showed much more skills during the drill than posters here would lead you to believe...
And the guy plays huge above the rim and doesn’t break a sweat. FYI – Favors freshman stats were comparable to Horford as a junior for all those that think Horford is his ceiling.
Oh and Florida had a really nice nucleus of guards with the ability to get him the ball. Both Corey Brewer and Taurean Green were very good passing guards. The guards at GT…..not so much…
Horford also wasn't exactly putting up massive points numbers either
not much different than what Favors did down the stretch with GT.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Favors
Is definitely not as raw as some would lead you to believe, I’m starting to wonder if Thorn is downplaying Favors skills at the moment, that quickness, strength, and athleticism was scary at only 18, dude has a high ceiling for real, I think they are higher on Favors and maybe Cousins than Turner, but definitely Favors. I remember him talking bout turner as if thank god we have 3 type of praise lol.
I hate the phrase "blessing in disguise" in situations like this
Because we ALL know if we had the #1 pick we’d be doing backflips instead of continuously arguing over who we should take. This was not a blessing in disguise. It was plain bad luck.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
We only had a 25% chance of the #1 pick...
It was not our birthright.
I would have been crazy for Wall but I am very happy with Favors.
Who said birthright?
All I’m saying is that it’s not like we were going into the draft thinking “man, I can’t wait until we get that #3 pick.”
Don’t put words in my mouth, please.
We wanted #1. We didn’t get it. It sucked. We’re doing the best we can with what we have, but let’s not act like if we had the #1 pick we’d be saying “you know what? I really wish we’d have dropped to #3 so we can have the blessing of deciding between Favors and Cousins.”
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I would have been overjoyed to get the #1. I would have happily traded Wall for Favors plus Rubio or equivalent. The #1 pick is grossly over-rated year after year. Therefore it is a huge opportunity to trade down for two great players. I can’t understand why this is never done. I guess because the enraged fans would burn down the team offices. :D
The #1 pick is NOT overrated year after year
There are just only occasionally years where there are transcendent prospects to be had at #1. 1996 was one of those years. 1998 was one of those years. 2003 and 2004 were two of those years. 2007 was one of those years. This is, too. This is not an Andrew Bogut draft.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't know why 2007 is in there
I was originally going to make a joke about Oden, I thought I deleted it. Oh well.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're a delusional Toronto fan, I guess
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i forgot about bargnani
for some reason in my mind Thomas went first.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Right!
Because the higher you pick – the better career player will have. GuaranteeD!
I didn’t say I was happy we lost lottery. I was bummed when that hapened. But you deceiving yourself thinking only Wall will have All-Star career and others will not. I’m saying if Favors turns second coming of Dwight and Wall is second coming of Devin we may reconsider results of the lottery. But this will be far down the road.
Peace.
by Belarus4life on Jun 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You're putting words in my mouth too
I never said the higher pick was a guaranteed better player & I never said only Wall will be the only all-star. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? It’s like writing has no point anymore.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
this
I don’t get how people would rather take one of the big men over Wall, and I love Favors, big men have massive bust rates, that’s just a fact for one, and Wall is pretty damn close to a sure thing.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
You're putting words in posters' mous(es)
Show me at least one post where any would advocate taking Favors/Cousins over Wall. Writing has no point anymore! I give up.
by Belarus4life on Jun 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You said that losing the lottery was a blessing
Thus advocating that you’d rather have lost the lottery than won it. That’s not putting words in your mouth.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What? Can, I mean CAN you read? (Do you see CAN there?) GOOD!
Because that’s what I said:
“It can be a blessing…” Do you see CAN?
That’s what you said I have said:
“…losing the lottery was a blessing”
in your words phrases “If I buy lottery ticket I can be a millionaire” and “If I buy lottery ticket I am a millionaire” the same. LMAO.
by Belarus4life on Jun 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well sure, losing it CAN be a blessing
But that’s a worthless statement, because in the long-term anything CAN be evaluated differently as time goes on. It’s meaningless unless you actually mean that it will be.
Willie Warren CAN end up being the best player from this draft, but I would never say it, because it’s stupid and unlikely. Losing the lottery CAN be a blessing, but I would never say it, because it’s also awful and unlikely considering that Wall & Turner are the clear-cut 1-2 in this draft and Wall is likely a transcendent player.
So, thanks for admitting what you said meant nothing, I guess?
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO
I can’t stop laughing.
“Willie Warren CAN end up being the best player from this draft, but it’s stupid”
Jesus, I can’t stop.
by Belarus4life on Jun 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for proving my point again. Done with you now.
Take care.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck to you too
Give me a link to your blog. I will become your permanent reader :)
by Belarus4life on Jun 16, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
"You're putting words in posters' mouses"
Hahahaha!
Possibly the greatest thing I’ve ever read on ND.
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These drills
highlight Cousin’s strengths. He obviously can shoot from all areas of the court. This is a small sample to go by but he reminds me of Patrick Ewing with his size and shooting ability, The only touted strength of Favors on display in this video is his leaping ability, which seems effortless. He’s seems very fluid in his movement—good balance. It seems that you need to see Favors play in a game to really see his "game.—defending, rebounding, blocking shots, etc but his shot looked ok. I see the potential. He’s a nice athlete.
Favors also shot very well in the workout...
And his effortless alley oops were amazing. No way Big Cuz could chase guys around the perimeter…he belongs on the blocks a la Moses Malone for anotehr team. He will end up with either the Warriors or Pistons.
Wow...Favors is a much better shooter than I thought based on comments from this board...
And his high release is nice. Favors didn’t even break a sweat and his alley oops were too easy.
It has to be Favors.
And there is no way Cousins could play forward...
He is big and lumbering.
KG, Gasol, Lewis, Amar’e, etc. would all destroy Cousins on the perimeter. And while Cousins can shoot a jump shot…o way should he be dribbling the ball on the perimeter.
Big Cuz is simply a great center prospect. Favors is a great PF prospect, which is exactly what the Nets need.
Lumbering
was the word that came to my mind as well for Cousins—-that’s why I mentioned Ewing—-I originally write “an older” Ewing…Ewing would not be able to guard contemporary PF’s anymore than Brook can defend at PF…Cousins is a center..
Imagine Cousins against Gasol...
No wonder Cousins gets frustrated sometimes…it’s like Joe Frazier chasing Muhammed Ali in his prime.
yeah, i dunno why people want this kid to play PF...
….let him play Center. Somewhere else.
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by MrDollarBills on Jun 16, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Consider me a convert...
Bottom line- I was pulling for Cousins early on, then I had spent a good deal of time on the fence. But, now I have come full circle and I think Favors is the right player for us. Not too surprised that Favors is becoming the favorite. Guess that’s the point of the process…
These workouts are KEY. Cousins looked slow and tired out there for the Kings- like he was thinking about the next shrimp salad sandwich and when he could take a break. Favors looked like it was just another day at the office- oh, and, agreed with all above- Favors can shoot.
That said- they both have a slow release. However, you can imagine Favors breaking off the wing in transition ala Amare’. Can’t see Cousins running the fast break OR getting back on D after 50 games @ 20 to 30 minutes + per. I don’t think the Little G is going to stand for either of those options.
Cousins looked great for a big center...
No way is he a PF. And we know Brook is not a PF.
Reread article from last night:
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — The Nets are strongly leaning toward taking Derrick Favors with the No. 3 pick in the NBA Draft, multiple team sources said.
correction:
…he wasn’t thinking about the next “shrimp salad”, but moreso about the next “shrimp basket”.
With tar tar sauce and fries.
MMmmmmmm boy!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 16, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins
I much prefer Boone as our backup center. I mean we don’t know who we will be getting from the market, but Boone brings us energy, and rebounds. Lets get a PF. An athletic PF at that.
Only thing is we need a backup center who can hit free throws
He leaves a lot of points on the board
This sums up how I feel about Cousins vs Favors
I don’t want Cousins on our team, but I don’t want him on a team in our division (or hell the east) either.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
by Gina on Jun 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good call Gina...
But I guess you were off on Thorn wanting someone to control as coach since Avery is not one to be controlled.
Id rather have Favors, I like his shooting technique , i know it doesnt have the best percentage right now or the quickest speed, but he gets the ball back and the elbow up and more than likely down low will protect the ball and or draw a foul, same with the way he goes back up with offensive rebounds, he protects his space with his elbows. That is all the offense the nets need up front next to Brook. One thing is certain, brook better start hitting some weights, he looked like a giraffe the other day, but he is a gym rat i wouldnt be worried too much.
He had mono and lost 30lbs
He should be fine before the season starts.
I agree about Favors’s technique – he has a very high release which coupled with his height and wingspan would make his shot nearly unblockable. I’d just like him to make it more often.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Also one thing I haven't seen people discuss that often
and this isn’t meant to be a fat joke, but what carrying all that weight could do to Cousins’s knees long-term.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
his knees are already begging for mercy as we speak.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 16, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Jerry and andre...
Please watch this video over and over.
There is zero chance Cousins could guard PFs. And Favors has very nice form on his jump shot and does not break a sweat.
You cannot possibly still believe that Cousins is the guy.
Are You Kidding??
do you honestly believe this video will be enough to change their minds? They will point out that because Cousins hit outside shots, that justifies how they can play the PF position… HAHA!! Personally, I thought Favors has a very nice follow-through on his jump shot, and its just going to get better and better, and it already looked better then most gave credit for. AJ will help him make it that much sweeter… Favors will be a very nice pick for us, if we go that way.
At this point, I'm OK with either of them
Looks like Nets are looking for needs, and who’ll fit better.
It’s really a toss up between the two.
The #1 and #2, to be honest are really boring. As it’s Wall and Turner from the get go. I feel sorry for Wall, as this is suppose to be “his” draft. But most stories (as far as I can tell), concentrates on the lower drafts where the excitements really are.
they're considered boring because they're no brainer picks
there’s no excitement in talking about things everyone agrees on.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
@jerry and andres b – I hate to say I told you so but I have been perhaps the strongest advocate of Favors since the conference tournaments. This was as no brainer all the way. Feel free to go back and read my fan posts, my comments, etc and hopefully by next Thursday (only 8 long days away) you will realize how perfect of a fit Favors is for this team and what a bad fit Cousins would be.
I thought if we ended up with Wall at 1, we should do everything humanly possible to acquire the 3 pick and take Favors. Well now we at least have the ability to take Favors and Avery will have DH back to being an All-Star caliber pg.
The future is bright. Hopefully you are not too blinded by Cousins shadow to recognize this.
Don't take a victory lap yet
I’m also happy it’s looking like we’ll get Favors, but we won’t know who was the better pick for at least a year, and more likely 3-4 years.
by calling all toasters on Jun 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
who cares if ur right
we are all rooting for the same team here
by Andy. on Jun 16, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still like DC
if Turner is not there. I’m not convinced Favors will be any good on Offense and want more of an impact player at #3. I see Favors as a Ben Wallace type – good D and rebounding, no offense.
Ben Wallace is an impact player. If Favors can play defense like Ben, he’ll be Dwight Howard plus.
by calling all toasters on Jun 16, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Favors has all the tools to become Big Ben but he doesn;t show the passion for it...
he seems to always be just going through the motions…Favors strength is his consistency…if he is taught the right way you know he will do it consistently over and over again like a freakin’ robot…his lack of passion is a negative, but being unemotional becomes a strength for him as well as he does not get down on himself (like a certain guy named Brooklyn) and just goes as strong as he had the previous trip…
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 17, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Watch again...
Look at Favors jump shots and his release point. Look at his ease on the alley oops. Look at how he is not even sweating.
Do you know how to shoot?
That shot was ugly…holding your arms up high for a few seconds after releasing it is not what you call a high release point…if anything you notice he doesn’t have a quick release. Also, he HAS to watch the ball go through or not go through the hoop before even attempting to move his feet….what’s up with that?
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 17, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't really matter how ugly your form looks as long as it works, there are plenty of guys whose jumpers are far from textbook but nonetheless are effective shooters
And @jirohkanzaki this was a drill, not a game. Untimed and everything. Move his feet after shooting for what?
But yes his release is slow and I think he needs to work on that.
Of course Favors won't sweat...
he spends like 10 seconds not moving after taking a shot…
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 17, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
If Favors can even come close to a Prime Big Ben we will crush all opponents.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 16, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
HMMMMM Favors Ben Wallace????
You kidding me, ben wallace lol that dude has nooooo offensive game couldn’t shoot if his life depended on it, let alone in drills. Favors has a much higher offensive ceiling that Wallace.
Jerry and Andre.......
Where are you?!?
Did Big Cuz eat you?
by rundmc00 on Jun 16, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I’ve read that human flesh is an acquired taste. DC looks more like an italian cheesesteak, extra onions, type of guy.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 16, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
lighten up guys its all in good fun
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 16, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you posted a couple of days ago that :
No more Cousins/Favors posts until they work out? I thought that was a good idea.
Now who is the over-the-top poster, even after Thorn announced that Favors was a Project and everyone else is trying to look at this fairly?
They both looked good in the workout
I’m not sure why people are assuming Favors beat him in a slam-dunk fashion. They were excellent all-around.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
reports out of Sacto
say Cousins had an excellent workout. Read what Woj and Ford said about it. Cousins’ shooting is something that really impressed, according to reports.
Yeah, his shooting numbers were remarkable for a guy his size
He did look to be laboring a bit more than Favors at the end but he was still getting up and down and finishing strong. From the very limited video of both of them I’d say they both get A’s in the workout.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins shot well (although his release point is low)
But there is zero chance he can defend NBA PFs and Favors showed he is not a raw offensive player.
Game/set/match.
How is there zero chance he can defend NBA PF's?
Despite his size, he’s actually surprisingly quick on his feet and most PF’s would find it extremely difficult to score on him in the post or contain him offensively.
The whole “can Cousins fit next to Lopez” thing is overblown…
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions
The guy was obviously struggling by the end of the work out, lumbering in his steps and stuck to the ground...
No way he can cover PFs. Zero chance…none.
Stuck to the ground?
Dude he slammed down the last dunk with force. Were you watching the same video?
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
His arm length permitted the slam...
He jumped about 3 inches off the ground.
Hyperbole is for the weak
Favors is better conditioned, no one is arguing that, but let’s not act like the guy was rolling on the floor in exhaustion. He competed and got a ton of positive feedback from Sacto. It wasn’t by accident.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He barely got off the floor he was laboring that was without body's next o him
He can’t play next to Lopez, and run in transition with other 4’s we would get washed, unless he’s the next Ewing, but again not as athletic. I like Cousins but not on this team man.
I dont think i've ever read anything dumber then some of these reactions to Cousins work out.
He was laboring? He Lumbering? Dragging his feet? Sweating too much? My god.
Cousins executed more of his plays in transition than Favors did this season
Some of that is attributable to the faster-paced offense Kentucky ran, but let’s not pretend that Cousins doesn’t run the break. He does. Regardless of what you may think about players with his size, regardless of what archetype you think when you hear his name, DeMarcus Cousins himself can & does run the floor.
Is he as conditioned as Favors? Absolutely not. Is this something to consider? Definitely. Is it the only thing to consider? Definitely, absolutely not.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but if he's still out of shape
Your thinking about him playing the 4, your looking at the longterm view of him and Lopez playing together, that and his athleticism is big. Thats why thorn was like can he play the 4??
Again I like Cousins but you very well know we aren't going to pick him
If you were the GM, you had this high a pick with that many questions
Those knees are probably taking a pounding
If he has the desire like Big Baby that would help him out, but I would rather mold the young athletic big with the great attitude, great work ethic.
A reach advantage is important in NBA. Cousins doesn't have to go for fakes and get off balance.
Cousins was tied for the highest reach in the pre-draft. He also could reach a point 1 ft and 8.5" about the rim. That is sufficient.
Explosion matters
Otherwise all those 7’6" guys like Bradley would have been stars.
Cousins was foul prone in college – you have to assume he will suffer a similar fate in the NBA at least to start. Do not see him standing there as swatting shots.
Favors can play Basketball?
Wow, after reading some posts here from the pro cousins establishment, I thought Favors was the next coming of Yinka Dare. I only thought he knew how to jump and run, but he actually can dribble and shoot as well. He is a basketball player!
Yeah, it's ridiculous to think Favors can't play
But let’s not act like the anti-Cousins establishment here has been completely levelheaded about evaluating the guys, either. Both sides can be pretty ridiculous at this point.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It was all meant in fun...Newark
Just busting Andres and Jerry’s chops. The guy hasnt been a top NBA prospect for the last 2 years without having some talent.
Im Imaging LeBron James Throwing ALLY-OOP to Derrick Favors and Brakes the Glass
Favors Is going to Prove all the people who say he has no offense gm and is going to dominate on the defense side Rebounding and on the Offense Side
Anyone consider what Nets would do if Brook were to have his first injury? Fans take Brook for granted, but he is due.
If Cousins or Favors was Nets main PF, who would you rather have after Brook went down?
Thorn should consider all those things. Nets don’t have a true backup center and unlikely to get someone with the #31 pick.
lets draft Eric Bledsoe 3
because whats going to happen if T-will and Harris both go down with injuries?//
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Harris already has a backup in TWill, although some think Nets would take a backup PG nontheless.
Nets don’t have a single true backup Center and likely still won’t after the draft, if they take Favors.
And if Hump doesn’t re-sign, things would be even worse.
Cousins cannot and will not be the main PF
Stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
Let Cousins be a 20/10 center for Kings or Warriors.
Favors has lots of tools that he will develop due to his work ethic (and because he is not fat).
Favors is not very strong either... when it comes to pushing around NBA players.
Favors can develop for 2 years in Minny.
As you suggested yesterday, Cousins could be ROY for Sac.
I think it would be Turner, but Cousins could give him a run for it.
Rund:
I’m not letting you get off this easy, after you promised to “cool it” until the workout!
Favors is 6'10" 240 and wide shoulders...
He is very strong. He just isn’t fat like Big Cuz, which you somehow equate to strong. Strength means you can lift things…Favors benched 14 times…how many did Big Cuz?
Luke Harangody benched 23 times. We should take him!
….OR, the bench press has at best a very loose connection to NBA strength, and shouldn’t be considered over actual game performance, which can show pretty clearly how strong Cousins was.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke IS STRONG but not that good of a basketball player.
Favors’ strength is just another facet of his game.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
Do you honestly think Luke is the strongest player in this draft class?
Because if you do, I have a 20-year lease from the Nets in the Rock to sell you.
The truth is that a) the bench press drill measures a very limited portion of strength, and b) it benefits people with shorter arms & compact power (like Luke).
by Newark2Brooklyn on Jun 16, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup 246 right now will probably be at least 250 by start of the season
But that combined with his strong athleticism being able to get of the ground with his arms above him around bodies is what makes him special as well.
No Strength in NBA is measured by what you are going to see on Monday, when Cousins doesn't let Favors get position and Favors can't get by Cousins.
Howard and Cousins can muscle their way to the basket. Favors is a “work in progress” according to Thorn.
A work in process, yes, what do you think DHoward was right out of High School, he could barely finish unless it was a dunk, what he was know for was rebounding and blocking shots, heck he is still limited offensively… Oh, and by the way, if Cousins doesn’t body Favors on Monday, then he’s garbage, you are talking about a guy who outweighs Favors by 50lbs, AND is a center versus a PF… Do you understand the difference between the two positions???
No Merit...
If I am not mistaken, Favors is as much strong as Howard was, at the combines and may actually be stronger then Howard at this age… Does anyone have the combine pench press #’s handy?
Cousins looked slow as heck... Give me Favors please.
We already have a very good soon to be All-star center.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
Cousins did look slow...
Gasol, KG, Lewis, Amar’e etc. would make Cousins look like he isn’t moving on defense.
And Cousins only advantage offensively would be on the block, which means Brook would have to clear out.
Cousins cannot play PF...
He could never guard PFs on the perimeter.
Dirk, Rashard, Amar’e, Gasol, KG, etc.
He would have to lose about 30 pounds…and keep it off.
Let’s move on. Favors please and who for #27?
Chad Ford said that Cousins only has to lose 10 pounds, consistent with what Thorn said at pre-draft.
And if Cousins CAN guard the all-mighty Favors on the perimeter, what would be left for him to prove?
You have to admit that Cousins looks like a pretty serious guy, much different from the stereotype people like you are trying to portray?
Easy on the hyperbole Jerry...
In the above statemtn, you continue a trend that is evident every time you (and Andres) argue Favors v Cousins — hypocrisy. I think the majority of logical supporters of Favors would agree that his game is not predicated on perimeter offense. Cousins “guarding Favors on the perimeter” would not prove to be sufficient evidence for Cousins ability to guard stretch 4’s because Favors is not one of them. Favors will bring defense, rebounding and athleticism — he does not possess an above-average perimeter game so Cousins effectively guarding him during Monday’s workout would not tell the Nets what they need to know. It would behoove the Nets to have the two go 1-on-1 just to see how they matchup and to see how Favors would handle a bigger body, but Cousins “guarding” Favors wouldn’t obsolve the defensive questions that surround him.
JUST WAIT
Until Monday, better yet until Thursday, no one knows what will happen, and its not like everyone on this board doesn’t already know how you feel, so LET IT GO, already…
That's an ugly shot by Favors...what's with that overextension of the arm, overflexing of the wrist and waiting a few seconds before moving his feet?
Cousins shot was smooth. He moves around the court smoother too than Favors.
Cousins though can hardly get up! Favors seems to be wary of OVERjumping.
Everything that can be said about these two has been said and most are true ’cept that they get overblown or minimized depending on who is saying it… :)
Everybody has been saying...
Cousins has the better perimeter game and better footwork.
Favors has a much superior athleticism.
This video doesn’t change those…but it also doesn’t show much else…
It showed Cousins poor attitude because he decided to wear a gray shirt and sweat during a work out
Definitely will slide a few spot cause of that.
Favors on the other hand showed his high Bball IQ and wore a black shirt
I think Sixers will pick him now.
Cousins lumbers around the court and can barely jump...
Definately not a PF. Let the guy play his natural position center and stop pretending already.
I didn't say Cousins is a PF or that he is faster than Favors...just making observations...
I would be happy with either and will support the Nets’ pick whoever it is…
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 17, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions

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