For Nets, It Will Be a New Day; For Johnson, a Chance at Redemption
by Net Income on Jun 11, 2010 8:55 AM EDT
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The Nets under Kiki Vandeweghe were, shall we say, laid back if not laid out (as in funeral). There was, as one pundit noted, a "Southern California" feel to his style. With Avery Johnson, the Nets could not have found a more different coach. The Little General didn't get that nickname because he's so nice.
There's been much discussion about how prepared Johnson is, how personally disciplined he is, how he demands accountability and how he gets the most out of his players through tough love. But some, like Peter Vecsey, believe he can't coach the Nets the same way he coached the Mavericks, mainly because that style cost him his job and may have cost his team a championship. Others wonder how free agents will react to his in-your-face style.
The writers who cover the Nets and Vecsey take a look at the positives and negatives of Johnson's tenure in Dallas, his coaching style and what drove Rod Thorn to hire him.
- 'Gut decision' drove Rod Thorn's hiring of Avery Johnson as Nets coach - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- Little General must learn some patience - Peter Vecsey - New York Post
- New Nets coach impressed Thorn - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Johnson hoping to find 'free' help for New Jersey - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Johnson Looks Like Best Man For The Job - Al Iannazzone - The Nets Insider
- Nets name Avery Johnson head coach - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Avery Johnson’s impact - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- To Thorn, Avery's discipline is key - Julian Garcia - New York Daily News
- Well done, Nets! - Adam Spunberg - YES Network
- Proven Winner Johnson Tabbed New Nets’ Head Coach - John Torenli - Brooklyn Eagle
- Avery Johnson's new gig: And now for something completely different - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
- Nets fans better hope Avery Johnson learned from his mistakes in Dallas - Eddie Sefko - FOX Sports Southwest
- Avery Johnson's coaching past and future with the Nets - Rob Mahoney - The Two Man Game
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Sundays meeting of Avery and Proky for Game #5 of Finals should be interesting.
Proky will feel NBA excitement like he probably never realized before.
Could effect his outlook for Nets.
If Big Baby has another Big performance, it could effect his outlook towards a Fat Man, namely the taller, thinner and younger DeMarcus Cousins.
Big Baby has been Fat for 3 years now, but his game and maturity only improves.
Nets had chance to draft Big Baby. He chose SWAT. Maybe had chance to trade Josh Boone for him after Baby’s rocky start. Could have traded Yi for him.
Now Thorn is faced with his biggest decision. Will he go for the Beast of the draft (possible Moses Malone) or take a chance on a Project?
It would be Avery and Proky who would have to deal with “bringing up” Cousins. Sunday will be a chance to discuss those type of things.
Theres absolutely no way our front office is dumb enough to allow a guy who averaged 6 and 4 to effect our draft plans.
never, EVER....
….say that our front office isn’t dumb enough to do something.
Although, signing a general, a voice, a leader, was a good sign.
“Stop the bawl!!” I want to hear that over and over again. I hope it annoys the perimeter guys until they get so sick that they’ll go out and stop the damn ball just to shut Avery up!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Your comparisons hurt your argument
Glen Davis was drafted 35th.
We have the 3rd pick in the draft.
Maybe Cousins will fall to #27, and then we’ll pick him up.
also that's not really a fair argument
since Davis fell because of his weight and most people would agree he’d go higher if they did a redraft.
That being said I doubt he goes top 5 high. He’s had good games, as a role player off the bench, he’s averaging 6 and 3 during the regular season. I sure hope people aren’t willing to use the 3rd overall pick for 6 and 3. And it’s not like they’re loaded down with front court players.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Sorry...
…Big Baby Davis has nothing to do with the Fat kid.
First of all, I think Cousins is more skilled. Second, Big Baby is a competitor and works hard, we can’t predict if Cousins’ attitude towards putting in the work needed on the practice floor and in the gym will be around the same.
I still say that we need a defender/shotblocker/rebounder/floor runner/finisher at the 4, and not an offensive based center. That’s why I’m leaning towards the raw kid over the fatty
It would be one of hell of an experiment to have two beasts in the paint(Brook and Cousins), but I want the Nets to shape their team in a traditional way that can face the challenge of any team, at any tempo. We have our offensive post player. We need his side kick now.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Big Baby Davis IS the FAT Kidd, compared to Cousins.
Yes it is true Nets would have taken Big Baby instead of SWAT if they had to do it again.
And Cousins is head and shoulders above Big Baby in terms of what he can do.
He’s the only player after Turner and Wall who is sure to play at All Star level in NBA
Yes Cousins will probably drop from #1 pick to #3 pick for the same reason that Big Baby dropped.
On Wednesday the truth will be told.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY364WQ18SA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74wNo0XC8Ug&feature=related
(At least Watch for the Music)
Uh oh, new sheriff is in town!
The following people are On Notice!
by GMJigga on Jun 11, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Regarding Thorn, there must be something else going on, because Thorn should have realized all this earlier on.
No reason to wait so long before interviewing Johnson. Thorn obviously felt more comfortable with JVG, who he knew.
All Rod had to do is follow what people were saying on NetDaily and he could have been “educated” quicker.
Fortunately, Avery put the pressure on with the Atlanta position.
I still don’t understand how it could be written that Mark Cuban would be paying his 4 million salary for next year.
If Avery were still under contract with Cuban, he couldn’t take the position without his approval and a negotiation of his salary. The Nets should be paying all or most of next years salary, I would think.
In the end Proky should be pleased with Thorn, because he saved him lots of money with a contract that was even less than LFrank was making!
Apparently Avery was never in it for the money. I’m sure Proky was good for 7+ million per year and 4 million is a steal.
Now Proky can justify paying Thorn and others.
that's not true
since Cuban fired him he’s not technically still under contract, but Cubans obligated to pay all the money owed unelss Johnson was fired for cause, or bought out. It’s the same in practically every sport.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
but that doesn't mean Avery can't be paid by Nets too - or is there some rule against being paid by two teams?
If it was true that Avery would be a “free bee” for next year, this would have been public knowledge and every team would have wanted him for their “free” coach next year.
I will wait until we hear the “true” story of Avery’s compensation. That may be why there are lawyers involved.
Vesey's column is interesting
Yi should start packing his bags. Avery will crush him. CDR is history. I do not like his personality one bit and think it is a bad hire, but Rod (In him we trust) knows that this bunch has been a mob without a boss since LFrank left. He is picking Avery to get in their faces and make them accountable, so I have some respect for that, but will it work? Yi will wet his pants! I think Twill is gonna have a hard time. This is going to be very intersting.
On the Yi note: imagine if Boston took Yi for Big Baby!!!! Can you see Yi doing what Big Baby did last night? That’s the kind of player we need!!!!
Vacsey is a Knicks homie
These guys are rooting for Knicks and only want to point out negatives of everything Nets does. Don’t worry about them.
It's "Vecsey"
and he’s only been a NYC area NBA columist for like forty years. He’s a Clipper fan. Yeesh.
I prefer to spell his name as...
…..“lying hack” or “ass”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that CDR...
….will react bad to actual coaching and having a set of positive, constructive demands being placed upon him for what he needs to do as a player and teammate. He needs coaching, he needs teaching. All of the kids do.
If Lawrence Frank can get CDR to play well, I fail to see why Avery can’t. Two coaches who are well regarded have said nothing that even mirrors some of the crap spewed about him on here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and T-Will can only get better under Avery
….having a championship PG, a legitimate floor general, as his coach is a blessing. Terrence has seen a glimpse of the mountain top, he’d be a fool to walk back down the path he was on after Frank got fired.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree w/ MrDB
Avery is gonna love CDR. He will fall in love with his competitive attitude, just like Cal and Opie.
I don't see why any coach...
…would not want a competitor on the team.
If you aren’t mad after losing a game, you don’t belong on this team. Period. What made me sick last season was some of the indifference I saw from Harris. I hope that changes now. After some thinking, I want to see what will happen with Devin now that Avery is here. If Avery can get Devin to focus on being a defensive hound, and let the offense come to him, oh my god we’d be 1000x better.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
I am not saying that CDR wont take to the coaching. Maybe he will. But L Frank only promoted the problem with CDR by letting him do his one on 5 offense and playing no defense. LFrank had little choice but to let CDR take the offensive load with all the injuries and poor play. But CDR was far from a player who played a well coached game under Frank.
It would be nice to see CDR learn how to be a team player and not a Rucker park player. We’ll see.
Frank said he was never a problem
He played well under him with no problem his rookie year, before Frank got fired. He was fine in College under Calapari, I don’t see this huge problem.
I disagree.
Maybe CDR and Yi need AJ. A tough attitude and a REAL system could to wonders for these guys. Yi is used to being stressed remember that obligation he has to fulfill every summer.
If you read Avery’s comments about his teams excelling at rebounding and defense – I think it should come as no surprise that we take Favors with the third pick. And I bet you will see Harris becoming more of a defensive minded PG again next season.
And don’t be surprised to see us take at least one more defensive player with our 27th or 31st picks. Damion James would be a very very good fit on this team under a defensive first mentality that will emphasize versatility. Shame he won’t be there at 27.
If we draft Robinson...
we would STILL have NO 3-PT shooting. Teams will just crowd the paint, and dare Nets players into taking 3point shots.
Move up in the draft and get PAUL GEORGE!!! Poor man’s Stanley Robinson, athletically; however, he has unlimited range.
by UltimateNetsFan on Jun 11, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
we need shooting so bad it's not even funny
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Heeellllllll Noooooo
He’s horrible, he might be the worst ball handler at his position in the NBA, he’s out the league next year.
Yikes.
I hope he’s nothing like Robinson. He’s got dud written all over him
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jun 11, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw we draft...
….Favors, and then the next two picks should address defense, shooting, or the PG position.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Thorn talking about Kiki?
“Players are very astute about coaches. If they feel a coach is not prepared or doesn’t know what he’s doing, players pick it up in an instant,” Thorn said. “If they feel that some guys are held accountable and some aren’t, they also pick that up in a hurry. If you’re firm but fair, and treat people with a modicum of respect, you tend to get respect.”
This is a direct shot at Kiki...
….and the whole Yi situation. CDR couldn’t have been the only one to notice that Yi was playing 40 minutes a game while being god awful, while everyone else was getting benched. People on here tried to make it seem like there was nothing wrong with that, good to see that the man in charge doesn’t share that awful opinion
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
Not only CDR, I remember there was a story about Devin yelling at Thorn at halftime in Indy saying Kiki didn’t know what he was doing, and don’t forget what Trent Hassell said about Frank/Kiki.
he said that...
…basically, no one knew their role on the team under Kiki.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
This also applies to Frank.
doesn’t know what he’s doing, players pick it up in an instant
"If they feel that some guys are held accountable and some aren’t,
That sounds like Frank to me.
As far as Avery's personality...
….I expect there to be bumps here and there. This is life.
I read a comment in the Vescey article about a Nets insider saying that Avery better be wary about yelling at Brook due to Brook’s bad temper.
Screw that.
While I don’t think there is any need for Avery to scream on ANY nets player like they’re a child, he needs to be firm, fair, and assertive when it comes to getting these KIDS to play right. If you have to pull someone aside and ask them what the F are they doing, so be it. But hopefully now Avery has found a balance between being tough and showing them that the toughness is because they all want to succeed.
Demand excellence and instill the idea that each member of the Nets should demand excellence from each other, and that everyone has to hold each other accountable and pick each other up when they fall down. That’s what being a team is about. I want to see team basketball and a team that will go out there and break their neck for their coach and teammates.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I’m usually not a big fan of Peter Vecsey, but he absolutely has a point about Avery’s personality. Avery is a great teacher, competitor and leader, but his tremendous “will to win” and control his environment is also what ultimately holds him back from the greatest success as coach. He has to learn to work with others (subordinates). As a Mavericks coach, he was a tremendous regular season coach that got the most out of his team. But I think Avery cracked under the postseason pressure. That’s what separates the great coaches (Phil Jackson) from the merely good coaches. Phil Jackson knows how to work with big-time stars. Phil can get his team to deal with the pressure. I hope Avery has learned from his previous coaching stint.
If Avery can only make the playoffs (40 wins in East) he will be candidate for Coach of the Year.
because the media have such a low opinion of the Nets.
Worrying about Avery in the playoffs is just silly at this point.
Lebron wants a coach with NBA experience...
According to a source, one thing James has let the organization know is that he’s interested in a coach that has played in the NBA.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/06/tom_izzo_visits_with_cleveland.html
Maybe he wants Byron Scott and he’ll decide he’s got more left in the tank left for his home state. Maybe he wants Avery, to play next to Brook and Harris, and get Bosh next to him in Jersey?
can Lebron put up with Avery?
I think the only current NBA coach that will stand up to Lebron is Avery Johnson. That doesn’t necessarily mean Avery will bring out the best out of Lebron! I don’t know if Lebron at his current age & maturity understands that he needs a coach like Avery Johnson to succeed.
If Lebron can't take a coach that wants to actually teach and coach...
….then he is immature.
I’m less and less excited about Lebron as the days go by. Let him ruin some other franchise with his nonsense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't really care for him that much as well...
but I think he’ll get it right soon as a player. He definitely is not destined to ruin a franchise, he just needs to come to an actual team instead of a team where his coach allows his players to watch him in iso’s every time down on the offensive end.
he had Cleveland running around like decapitated chickens...
….trying to please him hand over foot.
How much input did he have in the resigning of Varejao to that ridiculous contract? That was one of his favorite teammates.
Screw him. He thinks he’s bigger than the team, bigger than the sport, and wants to be a global brand. Have fun focusing on that while getting your ass kicked or quitting on your teammates.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Ideally I wish for the Nets to be a team without Lebron...
its prolly why I wanted a building block like Turner so bad.
this
but let fate take us where it may
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you gotta admit though Mike Brown wasn't too hot at coaching during that Celtics series
a good coach would have got the rest of those players involved. It really was a one man show out there for Cleveland.
Brown...
….is clueless offensively.
He had a lot of success when he went small against Boston and they were running them off of the floor. But then he decides to go back with their slow ass centers and they got torched. Brown is a better defensive assistant than he is a head coach.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
but didn’t Lebron want Brown? Isn’t that why they stuck with him for all those years to appease Lebron?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
yeah...
….similar to Frank being kept around to appease Kidd, who quit on him too
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 12, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect him to like Avery, but he can't have Harris and Bosh - not enough cap space.
Maybe he would like Cousins/ DLee or RGay? I would bet Cousins would behave with LeBron on team. LeBron has seen Cousins play, since he watches KY basketball.
I’ll bet LeBron has a much higher opinion of Cousins, than most Nets fans.
After Watching Last Nights Game....
I came to the following conclusions..
-Doc Rivers is a great coach (I’ve known that) because he is a motivator, like Avery.. except he motivates mostly through positivity. Hopefully Avery maintains a balance of positivity (Rivers) and negativity (SVG) all the while being fair to the players.
-We should have signed or traded for Glen Davis when we had the chance. Great post work, energy, hands, rebounding etc… a perfect back-up PF. I wanted him last off season and still want him.
-I’ve always been a Nate Rob fan and think we should look for him as a cheap back up in the off-season. He’s best friends with T.Will and would make a perfect compliment to T.Will in the back court. Both are strong and quick. Nate can shoot, T.Will can create. A perfect pair of back-ups.
Harris / NateRob
C.Lee / T.Will
FA / CDR
Favors / Glen Davis / Humphries
Lopez / Favors / Humphries
I could def. see it happening
I think we could go after Lee if we draft Favors (… which the nets don’t think could start his first season, so they’d look to add a starting PF… I don’t think we’ll spend the big bucks on a starting PF if we draft Cousins, since he’ll be ready to contribute right away).
Harris/Nate
Lee/CDR
fa signing (Gay?)/TWill
Lee/Favors/Hump
Lopez/Yi/Boone
with our later picks we could then add a 3rd string PG/combo guard (Bledsoe, Jones) and a 5th wing, preferably a SF.
IDK about Nate
with the sort of recent exception of Al Jefferson, all the players that perform well with the Celtics who then leave start failing badly (ex. Eddie House, J.R. Giddens, James Posey, Leon Powe, etc.)
by UltimateNetsFan on Jun 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, if Nets get stuck with Favors, I think DLee would agree to play with Nets.
I’m sure DLee wouldn’t be concerned that he would still get 35 mpg as backup Center with Favors on the bench as backup PF.
Any championship level team needs an extra BIG. Scola would be cheaper than DLee but no guarantee that Favors would develop in a few years. Still Houston would force Nets to overpay for Scola, whereas DLee would give Nets a discount so he could stay in New York and retain his fans.
I agree with Cousins, I don’t think Net would could after DLee, who would have a hard time to compete with Cousins.
Nate would be a good 6th man
…dunno if we’d be interested though.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah we did. Would we sign him though?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nooooooooooooooooooo
You cannot be serious about the Gadget. He is a talent, no doubt, but is completely out of control. Do you really want him influencing his Seattle buddy, the very promising TWill? Do you really want his maddening inconsistency and his punk attitude (shown yet again last night when he got t’d up for trying to get in Odom’s face). On this page, some have said that they don’t want LeBron, the best player of his generation, while others say that they do want Nate. Have we gone insane?
That's why we have Avery
To keep players in check.
Meanwhile excuse me for wanting a player who actually plays with enthusiasm and emotion on this team for a change. Keep in mind this guys was nearly a 20ppg scorer in NY, a great 3 point shooter, a good game changer and could probably be had for cheap.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jun 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate has a Napoleon complex...
…that’s why he is quick to get in a guy’s face.
Nate would be a good 6th man but we need shooters and frankly if we need to bring a guard off of the bench to score we have CDR for that, or possibly one of our two later picks in the draft.
Plus, I agree. Keep him away from T-Will. Nate is not a bad guy who has been caught up with the law, drugs, violence, rape, etc but T-Will needs to learn more professionalism and Nate isn’t too big on the professionalism stuff. I think that he gets a bad rap though the guy is emotional and he plays hard. I bet a lot of the people in NY who were talking trash about him feel stupid that this kid is playing his tail off in the NBA Finals, Doc put his faith in the kid and he’s delivering with big plays. He just needs to keep his emotions in check.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Shrek and Donkey!
That’s what Nate call he and Glen Davis in the post-game… Classic!!
by Jack Handy Jr on Jun 11, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I actuaLOL'd when he said that...
….you gotta love the guys who say the most random things at press conf’s.
If Boston can win this series, I’ll be happy for Nate and Big Baby. Two big kids that play hard. I don’t understand the disdain they receive from some folks.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
how dare you
compare LBJ to JKidd. Kidd was a player that made teamates better. James makes teamates worse
James does make his teammates better.
he’s got some growing to do as player though. He gets his teammates involved and gets them involved well, but sometimes he can fail to realize that it isn’t a one man game
When you have unbelievable abilities like James, it's hard not to play like you're the absolute unquestioned man...
Look at Jordan’s early years before he came to understand the concept of team. He similarly (early on) failed to make his teammates better for a long time too (over 5 years) like James
Nate
with some confidence and discipline could be a Ben Gordon that plays D + rebounds
lol, Nate wishes. Ben Gordon is a FILTHY AND CLUTCH sharpshooter that simply had an terrible year.
by UltimateNetsFan on Jun 11, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Gordon=
Tunnel vision chucker
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jun 11, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Woah woah woah there MrDollarBills. Ben Gordon is NOT a tunnel vision chucker, not at all.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jun 11, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Napoleon
Vescey seems to make some good points about The Little General. Won lots of battles but lost the wars, repeatedly. I really hope Avery recognizes where he needs to change in his M.O. You don’t need to be a tyrant to lead. No one describes Phil Jackson as a tyrant. But if Avery’s former players remain in touch with him and hold him in high regard, they must feel he has helped them and that he was fair to them on balance, so that’s promising.
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