Not as Simple as 1, 2, 3
by Net Income on May 31, 2010 7:25 PM EDT
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PrintThe 76ers and Nets draft #2 and #3. They both have a number of solid, if young, players at the #1, #2 and #3 positions. Where they both need help is upfront. Now, the Timberwolves, they draft at #4 and are desperate for someone to play the #3.
With all that in mind, two pieces of intelligence, dropped at the bottom of weekend columns, makes one think that the conventional wisdom about Draft Order is, if not wrong, a bit premature.
David Aldridge of NBA.com (and a former Sixer beat reporter) writes that Philly has tentatively set up a workout pitting Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Cousins. As Aldridge reports, "There would be no reason to schedule such a workout -- and certainly no reason for either Cousins or Favors to attend -- if there wasn't some kind of indication sent by the Sixers that they're seriously considering one or the other with the second pick." That of course would leave the Nets with a choice between whoever Philly didn't take and Evan Turner, everyone's favorite #2 (both ways) pick.
Meanwhile, Ron Tillery of the Memphis Commercial Appeal writes, "Minnesota GM David Kahn is actively trying to trade up from the fourth pick to the second pick for a chance to take Ohio State's Evan Turner. Also, don't be surprised if either Al Jefferson or Kevin Love is traded by draft night."
Imagine the possibilities. We assume Rod Thorn has.
- Nobody Asked Me, But ... - David Aldridge - NBA.com
- From the baseline - Ron Tillery - Memphis Commercial Appeal
- Sixers to Work Out Derrick Favors, DeMarcus Cousins - Tom Ziller - FanHouse
- Turner Not A Lock at No. 2 - And Would Create Dilemma For Nets At No. 3 - Eric Freeman - The Sporting News
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It is interesting that there is so many Qs about 2,3 and 4
And nothing about 1, even though the Wiz is strangled with Arenas, his image and his contract.
I know, everyone thinks that
But Washington is in a serious bind. The have already said that they can’t have Arenas and Wall together. And it is clear that it is going to be a bitch to trade him. Are they just going to buy him out? That seems crazy.
With that kind of problem I’m not sure why one couldn’t take their headache (Arenas) and swap for 1, with the right sort of package.
I don’t see how they are going to get out between a rock and a hard place.
by kv on May 31, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
This is a golden opportunity for the Wiz to start over. The b-ball gods smiled upon them when numero uno fell into their lap. I want Wall as much as the next person, but that ship has sailed. We’ve gotta focus on getting the best out of what we have.
I agree too, on the issue of image
But one is never sure.
You could end up with, let us say for argument, Favors, Twill, and keep Arenas.
by kv on May 31, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you're saying
But making that trade will be devastating to the franchise. This may seem far-fetched, but Wall is supposed to be one of the best prospects coming out of the draft since Lebron. Not saying this is what they think, but if I was the Washington GM, John Wall would be the answers to a lot of the probs. The Gilbert Arenas problem is annoying, but a couple more years and he’s gone. On the other hand, they have Wall who would help revitalize the franchise and be with the team for the next 10-15 years. I see your point too, I just don’t see it happening. If Washington does decide to go down that route, then I would hope Thorn makes that deal
Its just that it seems that they are dead set on not
having Wall and Arenas play together. I seriously doubt they are going to buy Arenas out. The guy has 4 year remaining at about 20 million. There seems no WAY they are going to pay out, let us say 60 mill, and have the possibility of a lockout next year.
The team would be crushed financially.
They are completely stuck, and no one is going to come and save them. They want Wall desperately, but they may not be able to have him, at least the way that they imagine it.
by kv on May 31, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Or to put it another way
If you could have Wall, would any of you be willing to take on Arenas?
Let us say, Harris and 3 for Wall and Arenas?
It would be a crazy trade, but “offense” would no longer be a problem for the Nets.
by kv on May 31, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If you took on Arenas
possibly you could have a starting line up of:
Wall
Arenas
Twill
Haslem
Lopez
A lot of ball handling and shooting, tough rebounding and defense from the 4. And a “special” player who will be coming into his own by the time Brooklyn rolls around.
Just asking.
by kv on May 31, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone seems to think the trade would be impossible
But the hypothetical question is, Would you make it?
There wouldn’t be a faster, better scoring 5 in the NBA. Well, perhaps the Magic.
y would we do that trade
u are missing the point that that wipes away our chances to get big time free agents because arenas’ contract is ridicoulus
and you are also missing the point that pg is not the problem with the nets so with this you also take away our chance at a young pf/c for two more pgs
Ah
Harris’ contract is 9 mill per for 3, so basically we would be paying Arenas 10 mil per, on the cap. Is Arenas worth 10 mill a year, that is a good question.
I do think think with Arenas costing 10, we can still get a solid FA addition. Not a Bosh or so, but a tick under.
And the idea of the trade would be that Wall is a special, special player. Someone to take us into Brooklyn.
It was a proposed trade idea, not something written in stone.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did you hear that?
All i’ve heard out of Washington is that they CAN and WILL play together. I think Arenas will be perfectly fine at the 2 and Wall is more then capable of guarding SGs as well. I’ve some stories about Wiz wanting the move Arenas but i doubt the legitimacy of those since everyone knows its close to impossible, just some beat writers pipe dream.
It was right after the ping pong balls. I was very surprised by it
I talk a look through the internet to see if I can find it, but it was an outright statement that there is no way that they want Wall anywhere near Arenas. What surprised me was that even if this wasn’t true you never want to weaken yourself by saying it.
The problem didn’t seem to be a skills problem The thought was they don’t want Wall RUINED by Arenas, in the locker room, (and the party scene). They wanted a fresh new image.
by kv on May 31, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry about those typos. horrible typist. Here is the reference.
that sounds like very much what I read:
They see Wall as the cornerstone of the franchise for at least “the next decade”, which is why they are going to do everything in their power to prevent the player from ever sharing a locker room with controversial guard Gilbert Arenas, according to two league sources with knowledge of the team’s future plans.
According to one source with intimate knowledge of the team’s plans, the Wizards front office, headed up by President Ernie Grunfeld, doesn’t want Arenas – released earlier this month from a Washington DC halfway house after serving 30 days for a felony gun conviction – anywhere near Wall, whom the team has already decided it will select with the top pick in the June draft. After Arenas was convicted Grunfeld traded away four starters
the rest is here.
by kv on May 31, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is, it doesn't matter how much Grunfield
talks about how great these guys will be on the court together, or claims that they are willing to buy Arenas out if they have to, these are the kind of things that GMs HAVE to say. The Wizards very much want to have this fresh start thing happen, but it is entirely likely that they cannot pull it off.
I seriously doubt that they can afford to buy Arenas out for 80 million or so. Even 60 would be financial suicide with a possible lock out coming on. They can say it all they want to strengthen their position, but it probably isn’t happening.
So they would be stuck trying to trade him or play him. The thing is, he would be very hard to trade. Not only the 20 million per, but also the PR problem of selling him to fans. The Nets may be one of the few teams that could absorb him, from a PR standpoint, that have the cap room.
The whole thing would turn on how much they want a fresh start. If they have to choose between having Arenas (and his contract) and Wall on their roster, and having neither and being free from Arenas’s contract, and a bunch of young talented dudes, I could see them opting for the second.
The “fresh start” they want I don’t think they can get. Though maybe the Knicks would consider trading Curry for Arenas if they fail to get a big FA.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They are getting a fresh start with Wall
Thats all there is too it. They already cleaned out pretty much everyone last year, fresh start doesn’t mean Arenas has to be gone.
This isn’t even debatable. Arenas is untradable and noone in their right mind is gonna buy him out. You can say they are “stuck” playing them together but plenty of teams would love to be “stuck” in a situation like that as Wall and Arenas will be pretty damn successful together.
Where are you going with this anyway. I hope this isn’t some delusion about the Wiz trading Wall.
I still don't get it.
If you offer to trade for an “untradeable” player, a player that was the face of the team you are trying to get a “fresh start” from, you have leverage. It seems pretty obvious as a line of reasoning.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all.
First of all you started this talk by saying they aren’t trying to trade him at all, and that they were excited to be having the two together.
Now you are saying that they do have reasons to trade him, but that the only reason is Wall.
Well, there are other reasons to trade Arenas.
1) he represents the face of the team they are trying to get away from.
2) he has an ungodly contract.
3) he is a bit of a trouble maker with more kookiness on the horizon
4) he has had knee trouble for quite a while.
All these reasons remain if you try to swap picks with the Wiz and take on Arenas. They would have to have a different “fresh start” vision, one that involved Favors and Harris (and cap space) and not Wall and Arenas (and no cap space).
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
ohn Mitchell is a former Washington Times reporter who has covered the Washington Wizards for over ten years.
two league sources with knowledge of the team’s future plans.
Sounds like a beat writers pipe dream to me. 2 days after the lotto and you already has this insiders info. I’m not buying it. Especially since i read conflicting reports about how the Wiz are supporting and sticking with Arenas. Plus there is no reason to think they cant play together to begin with.
You do not feel that the Wiz is committed to trying to get out from
under Arenas and his contract?
Why in the world would that be? It is a horrible situation for them.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Its impossible to get out of
They might as well embrace it (and they have at least publicly), and enjoy the success they are about to have.
That is what I'm telling you
They might not have to embrace it if the Nets offer a swap.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter who the writer is
the facts of the contract and the PR are facts. I would be shocked if the Wiz front office wouldn’t be dying to swing a deal.
You yourself say Arenas is untradeable and then then you act as if trading him would hold no interest to the Wizards. Which one is it?
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds to me like a reason they'd trade Arenas
they definitely seem to have no intention of trading Wall based on that. Sounds more like they want Wall badly enough to eat Arenas’s contract.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
And because it is "impossible" to trade him, they just might take
A Harris/#3 for Wall/Arenas swap.
Worth thinking about. It would give the Nets possibly the fastest full court team in the NBA. No one is faster than Wall with the ball, Twill is a blur, Lopez runs the floor better than anyone, and Arenas is Arenas.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems you have already had the hit. Get back to me when the high wears off in about 10 minutes.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude wtf did you read the own article you posted???
they want Wall, there’s no way their trading him. If anything it looks like they’ll consider buying out Arenas’s contract.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Completely I read it.
But don’t just READ…think.
If they are stuck with Arenas (and I say they are), if they can’t buy him out or trade him, then their fantasy of starting over with Wall just won’t work.
If you look at what is being said you have to ask yourself:
How tempting would it be to offer to take Arenas off their hands? Or, do they HATE Arenas more than they LOVE Wall.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm positive they don't want Arenas gone enough
to trade Wall. I’d be willing to bet they’d eat his contract before they did that. I don’t think there’s absolutely any reason to think they’ll ever consider giving up Wall.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I don't think they CAN eat the contract. Its just too big.
The truth is neither of us know what kind of financial burden the Wiz are under. (I do know that the Lakers are trying hard to cut even a few million, in view of a possible lock out.)
What they will probably do is have them play together and be seriously restricted by the cap space.
The question is what do they want more.
1. A back court of Wall and Arenas and no cap space for more.
2. A team with Favors, Harris and enough cap space to sign a big FA.
All I am saying is it is worth thinking about. Everyone is assuming that the Arenas thing just irons itself out, when instead it is something that might give the Nets leverage.
Now whether I would do such a deal, I’m not even sure.
And as I mentioned
They SAY they would buy the contract out, but they HAVE to say that because otherwise they have ZERO trade leverage.
I don’t think they can buy him out. It’s 80 mill and there might be a lock out next season.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nets fans can thank Rod Thorn for guaranteeing that Wall would be the #1 pick.
It might be coincidence, but Thorn knew there was a 53% chance that he wouldn’t get a top 2 pick. By his highly quoted remarks saying than any GM would be crazy not to pick Wall, so much pressure has been added for the Wiz not pass on John Wall.
Wall meanwhile did TERRIBLE on his standing jump, coming in 13" below his “hyped” value of 43" (although it didn’t seem that he tried hard. The quiet Wall, should be held by by Arenas, the ball hog.
But I am delighted that now Thorn has a shot of getting Turner from Phila.
Turner should be the best player in the draft during these next 2 years. Cousins and Wall are probably the only other players who should be All Stars during the next 3 years.
No
If Thorn did not say a word about Wall he would still be the number one pick.
100% sure, unless fans just Hype Wall.
Wall isn’t expected to come into his own in his first year.
Ha. Thats hilarious.
Thorn saying Wall is a clear #1 should probably make people more doubtful then reassured.
The media took it as an exclamation point.
Job well done by Thorn.
Now we have a chance to get Turner.
Either Love of Jefferson would be GREAT additions at the 4.
I’m leaning toward Love b/c he is only 21 and is skilled offensively, an excellent passer and a GREAT rebounder, but Jefferson provides interior scoring and the added bonus of being a shot blocker. My only concern with him are his knee issues.
Look for us to have in-depth conversations with Minny, as they have many players that would be a good fit on our team.
Jeff has a Big contract
and is really the one that Kahn wants to give away. That is where the Nets would have the greatest leverage.
by kv on May 31, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No thanks
I want a fast aggressive defensively intense team with Lopez as our Center. Jefferson is a black hole on offense and weak on defense. Love is great in everything but defense. Lopez is an offense first center so neither of these guys work. Love could if you had very good defenders at every other position. Still prefer Turner, Favors or Cousins to either of these two.
sorry
so,
you see Favors or Cousins as “fast aggressive, defensively intense” players?
by kv on May 31, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see "fast" for Favors
But why do you see him as “aggressively defensive”.
And if you don’t think Cousins is the kind of player you want, why him over Love (if you can still have the 4th pick)?
by kv on May 31, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't want Love on this team
while his #‘s are pretty good especially in rebounding, i really don’t see him being an all star player anytime soon.
he can’t block shots it seems like and for a guy who is 6’10 he should be getting more then .30 blocks a game.
If Turner is available @#3 u have to take him. Turner seems like a player who’ll show up every night and turn into an outstanding player soon.
But if a trade with the timberwolves was going down, I’d ask for Rubio and the #4…i doubt that’ll be the case but wouldn’t hurt to try.
I prefer Turner....
…but if Minnesota is desperate to move up, and they’re coming up off of Love and their pick, or the rights to Ricky Rubio, I definitely give them a listen.
But let Philly fight between the fat man and the raw kid. Turner and Lopez could become a beastly combination especially if Turner becomes the crafty scorer that I think that he can become.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I'd much rather have Love than Jefferson
like someone else said Jefferson is an all offense player. We might as well take the younger cheaper Cousins. But personally I’d rather have none of the above. Another all offense front court player is exactly what we don’t need. Why do people think the Wolves are trying to move one of Love/Jefferson.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
agreed. Kahn found that they couldn't play together
But if we picked up Rubio in the bargain I would be tempted.
by kv on May 31, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm assuming you are saying that because of the Carter trade
But Babcock is the assistant GM of the Wolves.
Kahn’s problem is that he constantly has to be the “genius” in the room, so he puts himself into corners, like when drafting TWO PGs last year.
by kv on May 31, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said
easy pickin’s.
He keeps making one mistake after another. Love can play with Jefferson. Nope. He drafted THREE point guards in the first round. One of them is an undersized shooting guard (Flynn) who can pass but isnt a point guard. One was never going to play in Minnesota (Rubio) and one he traded away even though he would have helped the most this year, (Lawson).
What exactly is wrong with that
You’re saying he drafted THREE point guards in the 1st round as if he MURDERED someone?
1 was drafted for another team and traded, another is overseas and hold a lot of value, and one made the all-rookie 2nd team. Sounds like a some smart moves to me.
well...
Rubio doesnt want to play in MN, Flynn is more of a combo guard than a PURE PG. And traded Lawson, who progressed more than any of the 3.
Lawson didn't progres more then the others...
What is that about. Not that it matters, they got a 1st rounder back for him its not like they missed out on anyone drafted later.
Flynn is more combo then a true pg? And? Is there something wrong with that? Half the league PGs are combo guards.
It also doesn’t matter what Rubio wants, he still has plenty of value Kahn can use. So i dont see the criticism of his draft choices.
SO.
Instead of having somebody now and have 1 year of NBA exp under his belt, they will just have to draft him this year. If they drafted Rubio at #5 they shouldnt of drafted Flynn right after him, they could of gone with another play to grow with Rubio. There was other players that were avaiable, and MN has so many NEEDS! Why spend 3 draft picks on 1 position? They need a better SG, SF, and their center / pf (Al and Love) are so similiar.
They stocked up on 3 pg’s and it didnt HELP them. They could of drafed Stephen Curry who can shoot lights out, and shows he has a lot of BBIQ, to play the 2. What about Demar Derozen? Instead of drafting 2 pg’s he could of drafted Rubio, then drafted another player who could of learned right away. And a year later will have 1 year nba exp, which is VALUABLe.
I don't think they really had any intention of having a player grow with Rubio
he’s a valuable trading chip.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
They have no leverage. Rubio is a kid
He could stay in Europe for years and then dictate to what market he goes to.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree on that point
but he’s still a trading chip for big market teams. They don’t need leverage if they’re willing to hold onto his rights. It’s not costing them anything to do so.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
but I think it is costing them.
It cost them Stephan Curry, for instance.
And when Rubio decides where he wants to go, there is no market to drive the price up. He just says where it is, or continues playing in Europe where he is a superstar.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
How did it cost them stephen curry?
they could have drafted Curry if they wanted him.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
instead of drafting rubio
they could of drafted Flynn and Curry back to back instead right? Then they would have their backcourt set for a while.
Curry is a PG
So you’re criticizing them for drafting 3 PGs yet what they should have done is draft 3 PGs.
And not only that, now you’re nitpicking. Noone knew who the better player would be at the time. They liked Flynn more so they drafted Flynn rather then Curry. If you wanna call into question the actual selection then thats different, but we’re talking about criticism of their whole draft strategy.
Curry
Is an amazing shooter and an SG in college, he only converted to PG in GS because Monta wanted to be off the ball. So your telling me that MN could not have had a better draft last year? Like if you owned that team, or even a fan of that team, you wouldnt have wished for a different result? So many OPTIONS and they end with that.
Call him combo if you want
Monte isn’t the reason he converted to PG. He def is does not have the size to play SG. And he played point in his last year at school specifically to prove to people he can be a PG, plus his team didnt have anyone else.
I’d rather have Curry then Flynn, yes, but who knew at the time who’d be better, plus its not written in stone just yet. Curry and Flynn together is a terrible idea though. Maybe Jennings is the best PG out of all them and they should have drafted him instead.
Maybe they could have done better, but they didn’t do horrible like some seem to be implying. To go back to the start of this discussion, the problem was not in picking 3 pgs at all, maybe they should have picked 1 particular PG over another.
Curry is a combo guard.
There was some debate whether he would be able to be a full time point.
2! TWO, DOS, DVA!!!!
Stop saying they used THREE picks on THREE pgs when the FACT is that they used 2 to draft 2 and TRADED the 3rd one.
So why shouldn’t they draft Flynn after drafting Rubio when in all likelyhood Rubio isn’t gonna come especially not that season. They have plenty of needs, and their needs included the PG spot. Now they have a guy who can start and a guy who has good value they can use to bring in more talent. Still not seeing whats wrong with that.
Please stop saying 3 picks and 3 pgs. thats just wrong, wrong, wrong!
so
They could of used the pick they used for Lawson for a player that could of played this PAST NBA season, instead, they have to wait another year.
Does waiting another year really matter?
it’s not like that team was going to go anywhere even with Lawson.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Like who?
They passed on Omri Caspi, and Taj Gibson, big whoop. Plus they had yet another pick later in the round.
2 solid young players
Bottom line, they waited a full year for their pick, and it is a big deal, because if they took Omri Caspi, he would of contributed right away.
not only that
they could have traded up from 6 and gotten Evans if they were smart about it, instead of playing like the guys with house money at the poker table.
Ya
Sac would of taken Rubio, and Flynn, or Flynn, and Curry, and MN would of had Tyreke Evans. Holding 5 and 6 back to back, they could of done a lot of things that would of paid dividends right away.
I think Kahn just outsmarted himself
He had a lot of power in the draft and didn’t know what to do with it. He didn’t want to blow his first draft, so he decided to try to “bank” some of that power with Rubio.
The only thing was he gave away a lot of that power because Rubio has the approval of any trade, basically.
They might draft someone better in the future
Whats so special about Caspi contributing right away. They got a 1st rounder out of it, Caspi is noone to cry about. And you’re also forgetting that they DID pick a SG/SF just a few pick later in Wayne Ellington. Again, this is a matter of evaluating talent. We’re talking about this 3 picks/3 pgs nonsense.
and it isn NONsense
SO many other options, just look at how the draft transpired, they could of done things a lot different, which could of been instant dividends. And 1 year is huge in player development. Just look at Rookies to Sophmores in the league, it makes a difference.
It IS nonsense
Because they didn’t draft 3 pgs!!!! Whats so hard to understand about them drafting a player FOR ANOTHER TEAM AND TRADING HIM INSTANTLY!?
Keep it up danxcr
I think we are about to make demens head explode.
:)
I give up. Ok, “technically” they did. I dont see how it relates.
It doesn't
What relates is that Kahn was a tool in the draft. he thought he was being smart and flashing his genius, and, well, he could have done better.
But then again he could have traded up for Thabeet as well.
LOL
I had to go to bed… LOL look it doesnt matter, bottom line they did draft 3 pgs, and yes they traded one away but got a pick in return for this year. I agree. But they could of gotten better or improved if they went with others, they passed on Curry and Jennings. Both guys that are both showing they can play good at the NBA level.
so they would have sucked a little less...
who cares? Casapri may have added like one win.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
The reason why it was stupid
Was that Rubio can stay in Europe for years if he wants to. Kahn has no power in this at all.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right, I forgot about Lawson.
I like Kahn, he is bold, but he gets himself into hot water sometimes. I think he’s behind the 8 ball on Rubio.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree drafting Love was moronic when they had Love.
But considering Thorn’s apparently interested in doing the same thing with Cousins and Lopez, and considering his draft history, do we really have any room to talk?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Plus who was it that drafted Love, was it Kahn?
I honestly dont recall, dont feel like searching but i think it was…McHale maybe?
I actually think you might be right
I feel like McHale wasn’t fire until 2008-2009.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Al Jeff....
….prior to his injury, was one of, if not the, best back to the basket players offensively in the NBA. With Lopez here, we don’t need someone like that because Lopez will continue to improve inside, outside, and I also believe facing up with his defender and making a move(people rarely have noticed that Brook has a slick little cross over move).
We need boards, defense, toughness, and some shot blocking at the 4.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 31, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree he's easily the best offensive big man under 25
maybe overall in the league, but I think adding another all offense big man is in the top ten stupidest things, within reason, we could do this off-season.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
yeah
…which is why I’m not keen on the talk about drafting Cousins.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 31, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i posted about Emeka
In the forums, trading our #3, Harris, Humphries, and Yi to NOH for CP3 and Emeka.
Our starting lineup would be:
C. Paul
C. Lee
T. Williams
E. Okafor
B. Lopez
Only thing we are missing is a outside set shooter. A Mike Miller / Kyle Korver type.
There is no way they are trading CP3 for spar parts and cast offs.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Because the Hornets are not going to be a playoff team anytime soon. Too many holes in a very strong western conference. Cp3 is at lowest value coming off a knee surgery, plus Collison has proven he can play the point guard position in the NBA level. Harris has a very reasonable contract, which actually gets lower as the contract continues, #3 pick overall? They can pick between Cousins, Favors, or even Wes Johnson, and Humphries and Yi are fillers for us to take Emeka’s horrible contract away from them. They are a SMALL MARKET TEAM, and they need money. Even the new owner or new majority owner is still trying to put a group of INVESTORS.
So NOH would get devin harris a solid player (even an allstar just last year), #3 pick overall to be a build around with Collison, and plus they get cap relief. WHICH IS a lot for a team that is broke.
I have NO doubt they would consider trading him
What I doubt is that they would trade him for the box of peanut shells you offered them.
you don’t think that they could get better than that for cap relief? They don’t need Harris and his 8 mill. They have Collison.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
bout the #3
You do not think the #3 pick overall has any value? And harris can play off the ball when Collison is there. And they have a total savings of 53 million dollars just from Okafors contract. He still has 4 years left.
I do think it has value (3)
But not tons. Each player for the slot has serious bust potential, and will likely need a few years before they show what they got.
I think you have to keep in mind that the Hornets are 1 year away from MVP talk and Finals talk. They are not ready to break the whole thing down for something 4 years down the road, unless the deal is really special.
Its just my feeling. I could be wrong of course.
Wait
Do you mean they are 1 year away from Finals? Or 1 year removed? Because I feel they are way too many holes, and cannot compete with LA, Denver, PHX, Dallas, and even the Spurs and OKC in a 7 game set.
One year removed
or, to put it another way, the sense that they were going to take the West is still fresh in their minds. They don’t feel that Paul is washed up, and are probably really excited about the possibilities.
They were under the impression that the only thing that was stopping them was Tyson Chandler’s injury issues, then Paul’s injury happened. They may be financially strapped, but they have a top 5 player and they know that that kind of player is the only kind of player that gets you to the Finals. Collison simple is not, nor will ever be a Chris Paul.
So their only hope is for a Paul/Collison combo on court (or some kind of fantastic trade of talent for talent.
I really don’t think they are going into complete rebuilding mode. The just were too close, and Paul is just too special a player.
I agree that the Okafur contract is a burden, but just think why they took that on, they thought they were one piece from the whole thing. That kind of thinking doesn’t stop in one season.
As for the West, I tend to agree, but look at what ACTUALLY happened. It was Utah and Phoenix in the semis!!! Not the supposed favorites. And Utah had NOTHING, only Williams and Boozer.
I disagree with the idea that the Spurs are right there. Tim is over the hill, big time. Parker has been forced to the bench.
And Denver has serious soul searching. There is something wrong with the psyche of that team.
Agreed...
But with their current line and $ issue, they arent going to get better. Their big free agent splash after their run was Posey. He was suppose to be the guy that was the x-factor, the one that pushed em over the top. I guess they can make the playoffs, but they are still years behind the Lakers, Suns, Portland, and even the Thunder.
Utah and Nuggets do have too many variables to say that. :) lol so i agree
I have to say though, I do like your thinking process
You have to search out undervalued talent and the possibility of relieving a team of burdens when attempting to capture special talent, especially when you have been a 12 win team.
you have to find a way to get difference makers. And Paul is that kind of player.
Not just that
Paul would make C. Lee better because he would get him open looks like the ones he hit when Dwight Howard was gettin doubled when he was in the Magic.
Heck Paul would make everybody better, if he can make Tyson Chandler play like an allstar in the playoffs with the pick and roll, imagine what he can do with BROOK!
Except Paul is too much of a risk to take on that contract
a lot of people expect losing the meniscus will eventually lead to microfracture.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
yeah but even if you're not giving up much in value
you’re taking on a pretty big risk with his contract.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Exactly
CP3 is at lowest value so why would they trade him? They would be more likely to trade Collison who’s value is at a high then CP3 who b/c of an injury is forgotten. They are going to take a risk (I believe a small risk) and let Paul recover from injury.
NOH
is broke, and need financial relief, they can do that by gettin rid of Paul’s near max contract and Emeka’s near max contract. Emeka still has 52 million dollars left in his deal :(. And they can do that, plus get Devin and his 8million per, plus #3 overall who will be on rookie scale contract for 4 years.
If you are so excited about Paul
How about trading Lopez and the number 3 for Paul.
They will
if they think he’s never going to be the same after losing his meniscus and can’t afford the cost.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
They are not really talking like that in N.O.
when I have looked at the papers.
I wouldn't trade the #3 for Paul right now
way way too much risk with his injury.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I thought everybody knew Minnesota was in love with Turner
Maybe i’m just following all the draft news too closely. I also thought that everybody knew that there is a chance Philly might go for Cousins/Favors, although a very very small chance. The only news here really is just that they are planning to work the 2 of them out, and i dont see that as an indication of anything really.
I do think the Wolves want Turner bad enough that they might be open to get raped by whoever is willing. Jefferson and Love aren’t even the prospects teams will want, it’ll be Rubio imo. But Sixers are the ones in the driver seat here not the Nets.
trading #3 & Humphries for Love and Wesley Johnson sounds great
Darko Milicic would be great as well doubt they’d give him up.
we'd still have Yi and plus Darko
could play an international frontcourt at times.
I’m pumped about our team!!
Darko has already said that
He’s either going to Europe to play, or would stay with the Wolves. The Wolves were the first positive NBA experience he has had.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ha. Well, he's had a lot of promises in his NBA days.
Remember, he was taken ahead of Mellow…I think by Brown’s advice, you know, because Brown is a basketball genius.
How about this
we trade up to Philly and make
- and Iggy (they are looking to trade him) for #3, Devin Harris, and future 1/2 round pick?
METS
JETS
NETS / LAKERS
Iggy with Twill at the point
would be freakish. Nice.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
how about a 3 way trade involving another team, Nets and NOH?
If we can’t get CP3 then maybe we could have Darren Collison and David West as long as we are not giving up our #3 this year.
by jasperjarrod on Jun 1, 2010 6:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to
I’m praying the sixers take cousins at 2. We then could trade 3rd pick to Minn for 4th and either one of their remaining first round picks or rights to Rubio. But honestly not a huge. Fan of Rubio. Either way we would get Favors at four while picking up another asset.
Im praying they take Favors
Trade Turner to Minny then trade Cousins to GS and draft Wes/Aminu with 2 extra assets out of Minny and GS.
that seems horribly unrealistic
but awesome at the same time. But what in the world would GS want with Cousins, they’re a fast break team.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Really, you dont see that as a match made in heaven?
Maybe its in my mind, but i think GS are DESPERATE for Cousins. They NEED and WANT him bad. There is no talk about it because noone thinks Cousins could fall to 6th but they were just as screwed by the lotto as us the the TWolves and i think they want Cousins as bad as the Wolves want Turner. GS is stacked with perimeter guys and skinny/undersized PFs. They have no inside/paint presence at all, on either end, Cousins would have Shaq like impact on that team, he would instantly transform them. I think he fits there better then anywhere, it would be a dream for them to get him.
GS is listed to be taking Cousins in many of the drafts where Minny doesn't take Cousins first.
Do we need to post more videos of Cousins initiating and on the receiving end of many fast breaks?
Did you see Rubio's play?
at the euroleague semi finals and finals? He has a great feel for the game. Yes he isnt the fastest or the strongest, but neither was Kidd or Stockton. He can see things develop before they actually do. I would love Rubio on this team, a pass first PG with international name.
completely. he has something very special
And is very young.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been hearing rave reviews.
People are saying that this has been his best year as a professional.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 31, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
People need to watch videos of Pistol Pete Maravich before they get too crazy about Rubio.
Pistol Pete was an awesome scoring machine besides have great court vision and passing ability.
And Pete would never make players better - agreed this guy is not Pete
But he is younger than Cousins, and incredibly aware and skilled.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that. Big fan of Rubio
But Wall has something more or else. Wall will be a star no matter where he goes. Rubio needs to land with talent around him. Remember how Nash floundered at first getting very little time. If Nash ended up in the wrong situation the two time MVP could have never been heard from.
by kv on May 31, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
.......
…..too easy.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 31, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
2 options for the Nets draft plans
1st options
just draft Turner, if LeBron sees a team of Harris Turner Lopez CDR T-Will Yi etc etc hes going to be very excited
2nd options
dont like this options but if turner is there trade the pick to minny for 4th 16th and either rubio or love i like love but we pretty much trading yi’s salary for the same salary as love
4th 16th and either rubio or love
Damn, do you want free bjs from Minnesota cheerleaders too? Cause THAT would be asking a bit too much.
The best thing we should do is
Wishing John Wall will be a scrub, and never thinking about grabbing him.
If John Wall turns into a scrub, then we are a winner. Do think John Wall is going to be better than Rondo? Rose? or Westbrook? Maybe he is the next Steve Francis, and don’t forget how big the media hyped Greg “Great” Oden few years ago.
Let them be addicted to John Wall, and we will have our best front court and laugh at them.
Steve Francis is a really good example
Or even Starbury.
Unbelievable skills and prodigy growth.
But…I don’t think that Wall is that. He has something, something else. Its like the grin Magic had in college. Its the awareness that he simply is physically beyond the game.
just wait and see..
we can know how good he is in the future, at least, we already know how great LeBron and Kobe is. Unless he is better than them, or we won’t be that surprised.
by Jarkid Shen on May 31, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
they have proved themselves
but Wall has yet to do…so we still have the hope, LOL
by Jarkid Shen on May 31, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The simple explanation...
… could be the Sixers are performing their due diligence and are considering moving down from #2 to #4 (allowing the Twolves to move up and select Turner at #2), rather than selecting Favors/Cousins over Turner as Aldridge suggests.
That ties into the Memphis Commercial piece, and a earlier rumor that the Twolves were offering #4 and #16 for the #2.
Forget about WALL and TURNER......
They will be going #1 and #2…..So its FAVORS or COUSINS…….I hope we pick the right guy this time….That will be good enough for me……
yes, think about Lopez and Cousins
they can destroy any team’s front court in couple years…
by Jarkid Shen on May 31, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
if turner lands at 3
if turner falls to the nets y not trade him to the timberwolves for their 4th pick and get johnson and bring over kevin love to play with brook lopez.
harris / dooling
clee / cdr
wes johnson / twill
love / yi
lopez / boone
up and coming nba lineup with alot of potiental and cap space anything can happen.
by TU VIEJA on May 31, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
fortget love
take rubio and sign amare and Scola
harris / rubio
clee / cdr
twill/ wes
amare / Scola
lopez / boone
I would be REALLY, REALLY UPSET if Rod Thorn couldn't come up with a better offer than the Timberwolves to get the #2 pick.
Clearly Thorn isn’t happy with his choices at #3, with the uncertainty of Cousins’ conditioning and the uncertainty of when and if Favors would reach All Star level – Not to mention that it changes Nets’ options for get a PF via free agency.
It would make no sense to me that Thorn couldn’t do better than Minny, other than that they are in the same division as Phila.
Since Nets have the #3 pick, Phila. wouldn’t be sure who would be available when they would pick #4.
Minny could take Turner with #2, then Nets could take Favors or Cousins or Johnson, leaving Phila. unsure of who they would be getting.
If Phla. just picked Favors or Cousins with their pick, then they get no bonus, and Phila. fans would be angry.
The best bet for Phila. is to trade with Nets.
Now Thorn, unlike Minny, has “kept his mouth shut” for now. By not indicating out loud, a preference for Turner, he might be able to end up getting Evan, without giving up as much. Nets have draft picks – time for NI to go over the assets that could be available to entice Phila. to swap picks. I would even given up CLee to get Turner, since Lee wouldn’t get much PT, if Turner would primarily be a SG.
By trading with Nets, the outcome is guaranteed for both teams and Phila could probably get the GS 1-7 protected pick, $3 million in cash and maybe more. Minny would only offer the #16 pick and still Phila. wouldn’t be guaranteed of getting who they want (Cousins or Favors).
Thorn is best off boasting about Cousins, Favors, Johnson, Aminu and minimizing Turner. Seems that is what he has been doing, yet the Mock Drafts have incorrectly concluded it must be Favors.
What even good analysts like Aldridge haven’t considered, is that Nets can make a trade too (just because Thorn doesn’t have a Big Mouth), and also that Nets can get their PF via free agency – making both Turner and Johnson attractive.
Other than taking back Brand...
… I don’t see how the Nets would outbid the Twolves (if they are offering #4 + #16) for the #2 pick.
And I don’t see the Nets taking back Brand’s contract in any scenario.
Prepare to be really, really, really upset.
#4 + #16 is a TERRIBLE offer to give up a future franchise player. Nets can do much better as I wrote.
Most people felt that what I was offering too much to give away #3 pick + CLee or the GS 1st round 1-7 protected pick + cash, or all of the above.
There is no guarantee who would be available to Phila when they would pick #4. They might have to settle for Cousins or Favors – they would have no control.
No where near as good as what Nets can offer. That is why Thorn is quiet and Minny has a big mouth. Nets have better situation with #3 pick to offer.
Walls vertical sucked can't shoot and Cousins doesn't work out or lift weights
Turner, Favors or Wesley.
We shouldn't advertise Wall's mediocre jumping.
I want to have a good laugh watching Wall get drafted by Wiz and seeing all the problems with Gilbert. Then maybe Wiz unloading Gilbert to Knicks for nothing in return (after they can’t sign top free agents).
I don’t think Cousins says he doesn’t Work Out. I just thought he doesn’t like using Weights as part of his workout.
On the flip side, imagine how much more his physique would improve if he started to use weights.
We shouldn't advertise Wall's mediocre jumping.
Wall’s mediocre jumping advertised: HERE.
Just awful
What is with this movement of bashing Wall? He is a superb athlete.
Not to mention
he beat out turner in every category and tuner has trex arms
Like these T-Rex arms of Turner:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/blogs/Video_Evan_Turner_highlights.html#axzz0p2GxeGxn
I wish though that word would spread around Philly that Evan Turner had T-Rex arms and let him drop to Nets.
Dave D. said that Thorn would “pounce” on Turner if he was available, not to mention it would allow Nets to get PF via free agency.
In reality, Turner’s reach is 2 1/2" less than Wes Johnson, who has long arms and is about 1/2" taller than Turner.
All thing’s considered, Turner’s arms are about average for a black player his size, competing in the draft.
Yet despite not having a great leap, Turner was one of the more prolific dunkers in college basketball last year, and would be in the NBA too.
I think its call TALENT, and Thorn would like to have Turner for the next 12 years as leader of the Nets.
Nice dunks against High School players. A 30 inch standing and 39 inch running jump is enough for a 6'4" player to dunk (just barely)
Favors looked good against High School Players too.
Turner has had quit a few more dunks against College competition that does Wall.
Since when is a 39 inch vert not athletic.
The guy was #2 in this years draft for Gods sake.
Because Wall was advertised as a 43" standing jump, almost up to David Thompson's level (he was #1 of all time).
The 39" was a short running jump, but I doubt he was trying his best with the standing jump.
Wall’s reputation was “sealed” earlier in the year in part after hearing those apparently false numbers.
It affected my opinion too.
I will be laughing at Wall next year as he fights to get the ball from Arenas.
Jerry could you link me/us to this 43 inch standing vertical report?
i googled a bit can could not find it. What I did find was a 43 inch two-step vertical claim:
After a somewhat disappointing 30-inch mark in the no-step vertical, the 2010 SEC player of the year from the University of Kentucky gathered himself for his two-step vertical test and then nearly jumped out of the gym, touching all but four sticks on the vertical bar. The 19-year-old, 6-foot-4 point guard then clocked in with the fastest 25-yard run (3.1) and turned in a impressive showing in the other agility drills.
I’d love to read it.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I read it somewhere, as did NI.
I recall NI saying it was 43 1/2 inches. Perhaps it was in fact a 2 step jump and not a standing jump.
I don’t know where I read it, or maybe just heard during a telecast early in the season.
David Thompson was reported to have about a 45 inch standing jump, but maybe that wasn’t true either.
Apparently Wilt had a 60 standing vertical jump
as testified by photograph.
Its seems though that you have been going on about a vertical jump controversy that is non-existent. It seems pretty clear that a 2 step vertical jump is very good, but not bizarre, and likely true.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if there is any chance for a pre-arranged 3 team deal #2-#4, since Minny wants to move either Jefferson or Love, according to the Tillery article.
As long as Nets get Turner, I wouldn’t mind any scenario with that result.
Such a 3 team trade could be worked out ahead of time. Suggestions?
Can anyone suggest a 3 team scenario that lands Turner, makes Phila. happy and Minn lands their preference and unloads Love? Maybe Cousins, Love and GS pick to Phila, Turner to Nets, and Favors and another player from Phila. to Minn?
I would hate for the suspense.
Such a 3 team scenario would only depend on Wiz taking Wall.
If Wiz took Turner, I wonder if Phila would take Wall since they already have their point guard.
Not likely that Wiz take Turner without other teams knowing in advance.
You do understand why Minny wants to trade up right?
I mean the whole point of that article.
But they can't trade straight up, because Nets could foil the plans of the team picking #4!
Minny may be studying the Nets plans by looking at stupid Mock Drafts instead of getting inside of Thorn’s head.
I wonder what Doug Collins is looking for????
Chris (Doug’s son and the associate head coach at Duke) is a big Derrick Favors fan. And Doug is going to hire Michael Curry as an assistant, and Michael is a big Favors fan.
So Ed Stafanski has lost the position of picking in the Draft to his new coach,
Yet Thorn and many Nets fans wouldn’t want Avery Johnson to have a say in who Thorn would be picking?
Doesn’t seem fair.
seems he has lost major cred with many of his bad decisions...
from his coaching pick to givin Brand 80 mil. He screwed up.
Then why was he just renewed?
I think the real answer is that if Ed doesn’t pick someone who Collins doesn’t like, Doug could get Ed fired.
The problem Ed has, is if he doesn’t pick Turner and that turns out to be a mistake, will Philla. fans have Collins or Stefanski to blame.
To me it seems that if it were true that they want a “Big Man” with the pick, it would be Ed’s job to get the most back in a trade. Nets have more to offer than Minny, especially since they can guarantee Phila. the #3 pick.
What Net fan in their right mind would prefer Thorn make the pick over anyone?
I’d feel safer picking a random Knick fan off the street and letting him make the pick.
Well Stanfaski is about as bad
he learned under Thorn didn’t he?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I guess that why the coach and assistants will have their say
As they should.
Thorn hasn’t even started looking for a coach yet.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jun 1, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Please no Counsins
Great article on ESPN of the 50 highest % body fat and only Shaq turned out to be a success (I think one other did okay before he phased out).
Curry, May, Traylor, Sweetney, etc. etc. etc.
Way too much of a risk with the #3 pick. Please take Favors who will be at least Horford and maybe better. It is a no brainer.
Rod will probably overthink this like he did with Armstrong over Gilbert, Wright over Granger and Twin over Haywood.
Make the obvious choice Rod and go with Favors…please.
Quoting your own words...
…“I think we already know your opinion”. LOL
And Favors is the furthest thing from the obvious choice or a no-brainer at 3.
He’s as risky of a pick as anyone in the top 5
Not as risky as the pillsbury dough boy...
Other than Shaq, there is not precedent for someone as big/fat as Cousins to succeed. And Cousins is no shaq so he is clearly the biggest bust risk in the top five.
At least
Cousins has skills and is developed. Favors is undeveloped, to the point the Nets THEMSELVES are CONVINCED there is NO WAY he could start his first year. Teams haven’t learned their lesson and keep ridiculously falling in love with these raw athletic freaks while gambling everything on “potential”.
but you'd rather gamble on a player who history says has a much much higher
chance of eating himself out of the league?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Thank you....
Players as fat as Cousins do not succeed in the NBA unless it is Shaq. And I did not even mention his unwillingness to do the bench press.
by rundmc00 on Jun 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
John Wall
stayed away from the bench press. Is he a headcase bc of that? Enough with this nonsense. Chad Ford already dismissed that that has raised any red flags.
Btw, a guy like Kaman had as high body fat, and that didn’t prevent him from having a solid NBA career.
You should always go with actual talent over potential based on athleticism.
The newer Demo, as you posted, says it all. Where is the "new" Favors Demo, against College players?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE9yObPb1xA
No doubt who would be better in year one, who would be more attractive to free agents and who would put people in seats and get Nets covered on National TV (especially since Favors wouldn’t be a starter).
Cousins>Favors for at least first few years and Favors upside may be Tyrus Thomas after that.
Wall's not fat and out of shape.
There’s no record of him not lifting. DC does loose his cool on the court eh, he could be a nice guy off the court right?
He could have used the bench press guy needs to trim down 20 lbs.
We are talking about the same team..
that did not think Lopez was ready right away. I am telling you if Favors can show effort on the defensive end and dedicate himself to rebounding and running the floor for is baskets then he will earn quality minutes for the Nets.
No one really knows how long he will take to develop. Definitely not the Nets at this moment.
This quote says it all...
3. New Jersey Nets: What a buzzkill. The Nets with their juggernaut Russian owner were on the verge of landing John Wall to go along with Brook Lopez, a possible max free agent, and the ability to keep or move Devin Harris. If Turner falls to them at the 3, it’s a no-brainer. Assuming the 76ers or whoever ends up picking in the second spot isn’t pounding tequila shots in their draft room, the next best available player is Derrick Favors. The Nets need an athletic 4 to compliment their prized center Brook Lopez, and Favors is exactly that. His athleticism, wingspan, defensive ability and work ethic will make him a long term player in this lineup, and he is the type of player who will improve with each year. Wes Johnson wouldn’t be a bad fit here, but his upside isn’t the same as Favors considering his inability to create off the dribble. Though disappointed about falling to the 3rd slot, I have a feeling Nets fans won’t be too disappointed with what they will get.
Plan A – Evan Turner
Plan B – Derrick Favors
LOL
That quote is from nbadraft.net. Do you really think that people should take seriously those morons? They have Cousins falling to number 7, with PATTERSON and Monroe going ahead of him. Nuff said.
I think these "morons"...
know a little more about college basketball and the draft process than you….actually a lot more.
OK
Go ahead, trust whoever you want, nobody in their right mind thinks Patterson will go in the top 6, let alone selected over Cousins. Anyone who thinks that loses any credibility.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Patterson in his interview already said that he let Cousins do the rebounding.
Even Patterson would admit that Cousins was the better player (and just a Freshman!)
Teams 2-7 have already said they are considering Cousins. The reason he might have been moved to 7, is that Detroit already strongly said they want Cousins and would be willing to trade for him.
It has NOTHING to do with NBAdraft.net having great insight.
If Thorn said he wanted Cousins, then DeMarcus would be moved to #3.
However, it is in Thorn’s interest to boost both Cousins and Favor and not show great interest in Turner.
draftexpress is the way to go, nbadraft.net sucks...
anyway favors has almost the same body as Dwight Howard, and if no one wants Al Jefferson on our team because of how he’d work with Brook, then there is no way you could want Cousins. Cousins best case scenario has to be someone like Jefferson when he isn’t hurt right? Favors fits the need. (Also yeah, never draft for need, draft for talent blah blah blah)
Cousins can face up, put the ball on the floor, is more aggressive and has far better ball handling skils than Jefferson Plus, I understand people not wanting Jefferson, bc he is like 6 years older and has a monstrous contract.
Wanna talk about fitting the NEEDS? Our BIGESST need is TALENT. Plain and simple. We were the worst offensive team in the game last year. Favors ain’t gonna help in that department. Cousins is an outstanding scorer.
Also, Cousins’ face to the basket game would fit better here, Favours would just clog the lanes MORE than him.
DLee has a nice face to the basket game too
But Jefferson is an offensive force, turning into a better passer, and has one of the best back to the basket games in the league.
I’d still want Turner because of defense and rebounding, try to sign some spot up shooters, and wait to get some good pieces off teams because of all of our cap space. OKC got lucky with Durant, but Eric Maynor was a great piece they got just because of cap room
If Min. wants Turner
and trades with Philly for the #2 pick that imo would be the best thing that could happen. At #3 I want the best Defensive big man in the draft and that trade would pretty much assure us of that. Philly might do it if they believe that either Favors or Cousins could help and they get another player that they like. I would be pissed if we drafted Turner. That would mean we have to sign a FA for big $ and long term with only 2 or 3 players that are decent PFs (none of them impress me on D) and no guarantee we get any of them. If I’m a top FA PF I’m not interested in a 12 win team and Turner. Adding to our interior defense has to be our priority and at a low cost with great talent is the best way. Remember b-ball is a big mans game and imo the best player is the player who can defend a 7 footer. So when you’re drafting the best player available it comes down to what type of player is best.
by msm2 on Jun 1, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree about defense
The Lakers have Kobe, they have their star so part of it is luck, but you need to surround that star with tons of LENGTH, and interior defense. Bynum, Gasol, Odom are all just around 7 feet
Celtics are the same way, Big Baby, Garnett, and who could forget Perkins who can guard DHoward one on one.
I would want Turner, Lopez, AND a free agent, let’s add length to this team, and wait for our chance to nab a star
agreed about length
there’s not much available in fa though. Also the lakers also have the oversized Artest to guard sg-sf.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Gina, there is no player in the entire NBA like Artest
None. So getting an “Artest” isn’t in the plans. The guy is 260 and has cat like feet and hands, and up until last year could carry a team offensively. And he is ghetto tough as all else.
But what people miss about this endless falling in love with so-called “length” is that what makes the Lakers special is that ALL of their length can pass, and can pass skillfully.
There is no big that passes like Gasol, and Odom was a dud for the team until Gasol was added. Odom is a lazy, rather poor defender, but he is such a good passer and timely rebounder that when you put it with Gasol, there is synergy. Even Bynum is a pretty good interior passer.
When using the Lakers as the model, you can’t really talk about just “length”, its about a kind of length which is very, very rare, and having a bunch of them. Let’s face it, if the Lakers didn’t end up with Gasol they would be middle of the road, even with the rest of their “length”.
by kv on Jun 2, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to have Harris and Turner in the backcourt!!!! Athletic and both can handle the ball. If that happens we Def have to get Amare or Dlee, Dlee being the cheaper and better choice imo. We can use our later picks to grab another pf such as Larry sanders.
I am trying not to worry too much about the draft but it is making me paranoid.
Is evan Turner worth passing on FAvors and Cousins? Will cousins be able to play in the nba on a high level?? Will favors ever develop? so many questions!
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But Jerry…Cousins has Curry, May, Traylor and Sweetney written all over him. Two out of 50 of the fattest NBA players has succeeded. How can you not be concerned about a 19 year old that cannot stay in shape?
I’d take a taller Thomas with a good work ethic over Curry, Sweetney and May every day of the week.
Plain and simple if we stay at #3.
Best situation for us:
Devin
Turner
Terrence
Free Agent/ trade
Brook
Second option:
Devin
Free Agent /Courtney Lee
Terrence
Derrick Favors
Brook
I wouldn’t mind if somehow we can get both Favors and Turner! lol
Devin
Turner
Terrence
Favors
Brook
(NICE)
LETS GO NETS!
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