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NetsDaily Off-Season Report #7

The draft is three weeks away, free agency a month. The Finals begin on Thursday. The end is in sight...the end of two years of waiting for Nets fans to see what the future holds.  New owner is in place, #3 pick secured, lots of cap space ready. Now it's crunchtime. We look first at some draft issues, like what Rod Thorn thinks of certain prospects, our latest Draft Sleeper...a Big Baby clone; what are the first impressions in East Rutherford about the Russian Revolution...plus a look at what the Nets got out of their trades of Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter, as of now. The real payoff starts now.

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Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, relying on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who have slipped interesting stuff into larger stories and blogs...not to mention our own reporting.

Thorn on Cousins

We've read a lot about DeMarcus Cousins lately, including some positive comments from John Hollinger, ESPN's stats guru, and Ryan Blake, the NBA's deputy director of scouting.  We know the downside: the red flags of immaturity, anger management, etc.  But what gets lost in all this is what ROD THORN has to say.  We know he engages in spin from time to time, but when he speaks, what he says is going to be more interesting than Hollinger, Blake, John Calipari, Daniel Orton or some anonymous source. 

Thorn likes Cousins, period. Whether he will pick him is another matter, but his comments offer a very clear assessment, both before and after meeting him at the Pre-Draft Combine. 

In a conversation with Dave D'Alessandro before the Lottery, Thorn was talking about Evan Turner, when he asked rhetorically of the Ohio State swingman: "Is he the second-best player in the draft? I don’t know if you can say that. Who can be more talented than the kid from Kentucky (Cousins), a huge guy with great feet and hands?  "If he gets in the right situation, where demands are made of him, he’ll be really good. His body (6-11, 290) is just huge, and you might have to watch his weight. But real quick feet — in a short area, which is where guys like him work in, he’s quick. He rebounds the heck out of the ball at both ends, and he can finish. He’s not a big jumper, and he won’t play above the rim like Dwight Howard. But he can shoot it up to 20 feet. He’s a skilled player...Cousins is probably more center, but some think he can play power forward."

Then after the lottery and the Draft Combine, Thorn spoke about Cousins again, this time with Fred Kerber. He described Cousins' interview with the Nets in Chicago this way: "We were impressed in our meeting. He's not in tip-top condition but he certainly has time to get into shape." He later added that most big guys have high body fat, essentially dismissing concerns others have had.

Obviously, there are issues with Cousins, but primarily, we're told, they're basketball-related...issues with his weight and whether he can play away from the basket.

One other thing to note about Cousins and the Nets.  Gregg Polinsky, the team's scouting director, lives and works in Birmingham, Alabama, where he coached at the University of Alabama. He knows the state basketball scene.  Cousins is from Mobile, Alabama.  Polinsky may have better and longer term insight into Cousins the person, for better or worse, than most other NBA draftniks. 

By the way, here's what Thorn said about the other top prospects in that conversation...just for the record. Thorn was talking to Dave D about underclassmen, so they didn't discuss Wesley Johnson, the Syracuse senior, at the same length that he discussed the others.

--John Wall:

"No. 1, he has a gear that few people have. And he has an unusual size for it (6-4), to be that fast. And everyone you talk to says he’s a great kid -- no character issues with him. He competes. He plays better in the last five minutes
than the first five. He’s a gym rat. And he’s got a bunch of pluses beyond that. He’s not a great shooter, but guys get better. Point guard is obviously a critical position. He’s a good one."

--Evan Turner:

"I think he’s a combo type, and he can play some 3. But wherever he plays, if he’s going to be effective, he’s got to have the ball. He’s a big-time competitive kid -- not super quick or a great athlete, but a good athlete. He needs to
keep improving his shot, no doubt. But a competitive, leader-type guy.

--Derrick Favors:

"Favors’ game is ahead of him. He’s young, and he has big upside. He can rebound it right now. But he’s just starting to get an offensive game, and his shot looks fine from 15 feet. He’s about to turn 19. I like how every two weeks during the season, he got better."

--Wesley Johnson:

"Johnson is almost four years older than some of these other guys, so he’s more of a finished product."

--Al-Farouq Aminu:

"And then you have the kid from Wake Forest, a hell of a talent. I’m not even sure what he is. He’s real young and plays young, but he handles the ball better than all these guys. He can take it off the rim, bring it up, and pass it. So
they’re all close — you have to study and make a choice."

Would Thorn go for a power forward like Cousins or Favors in the draft instead of focusing on one in free agency. He could easily do both, wrote Kerber: "The Nets may also seek size in free agency, but the draft comes first. Do not 
discount Cousins because Lopez is in place. Thorn frequently notes how the Warriors drafted Nate Thurmond when they had a pretty fair center on the roster. His name was Wilt Chamberlain."  Of course, a free agent power forward might look at the Nets roster differently if it's loaded with young big men playing the same position they do.

Draft Sleeper of the Week

Tiny Gallon is a 6'10", 300-pound Big Baby clone with all that that entails.  He's big, he's energetic, light on his feet and did we mention big?  We did.

Gallon will work out next week for the Nets.  He worked out this week for the Knicks.  He described his game this way: "I’m like a pick-and-pop guy, and they’re looking for a guy who can shoot the three, a big man that can play inside." The Knicks who pick at #38 and #39--and did buy a first round pick last June--were reportedly impressed with Gallon.  "I’m just continuing to impress these coaches and I think I could be mid-first round to who knows?" Gallon said in response.  Gallon was on Dave D's list of prospects the Nets like, high on the list actually.  Draft Express has him going undrafted, NBADraft.net has him at #38 to the Knicks and ESPN has him going to the Nets at #27. 

First Impressions...Inside.

We spoke and emailed with a number of insiders this week about what they're seeing at the Russian Revolution.  There are indications things are not so settled in terms of reporting lines of authority, with some overlap among the
basketball side, the business side and the Onexim side.  One insider said it's his impression that the big guy likes things "amorphous", that it gives him and his people an opportunity to see how people operate in a new situation.

Another said the transition will provide the team an opportunity to create a new face, but that it may take some time.  Certainly, the membership of the Chairman's Council, the five person board that runs the team, already reflects the Russian ownership change. It also includes some from the old ownership which after all still retains a 20% stake in the team, but it's now decidedly Muscovite.  Mikhail Prokhorov is principal owner and his two top Moscow aides, Dmitry Razumov, a 35-year-old Russian lawyer, and Christophe Charlier, a 38-year-old French banker, are also members of the board.  Charlier is listed as Chairman of the Board on the Nets website. The remaining two members of the Council are Bruce Ratner, who was both principal owner and chairman of the board, and Arthur J. Rabin, a member of the Ratner investment group.  An apparel manufacturer, Rabin has had business dealings with Beyonce' Knowles and her mother.  That would be Jay-Z's wife and mother-in-law. 

Speaking of Jay-Z, we're hearing that Jay-Z and Prokhorov would like to clearly establish Jay-Z's role within the Nets organization...and beyond as a minority investor. The billionaire and the rapper reportedly got along well in their meetings in New York last week.  They are both big fans of the Nets, but they are also successful businessmen ...meaning expect negotiations if this new partnership is going to get done...and work.

One insider, asked what his bottom line is for the new ownership, responded simply:

"They will run a tight ship...

"They will spend if it is worth it...

"They will not be taken advantage of..."

That last point may become an aspect of the coaching search.  Some of the candidates reportedly see Prokhorov as a big spender, a lavish spender, a spendthrift. That impression was created at least on the internet, by reports he was willing to give Mike Krzyzewski $12 to $15 million...and now the suggestion he might do the same to bring in Phil Jackson.  Not necessarily so, say insiders.  He is willing to spend if it is worth it, as noted, but for a a top flight NBA coach, the going rate is more like $6 or $7 million. 

Up until now, Prokhorov has been willing to spend to buy into the Nets, but bottom line (pun intended), we have yet to see how much he will spend on the team itself.  That could become evident on Draft Night.  Will he spend money to buy a pick?  Will he be willing to add cash to sweeten a Draft Day deal?  Paul Allen has spent $15 million the last six years on Blazers' first round picks.  Jim Dolan spent $3 million last year to buy one for the Knicks.

Then, of course, there will be free agents to sign and at what cost.  Beyond the top flight stars, how much will he be willing to pay for the next level players?  If he's smart, he'll avoid the mistake Mark Cuban made early on and be somewhat frugal. Why? Because you don't want to get the reputation of overspending.  It can mess up your salary structure.

Then, there are the other issues, beyond players. Here's a short list:

--How many assistant coaches get hired? The new coach and Thorn will hire them, but the front office will set the budget. The Nets had the fewest of any NBA team by the end of the season. Right now, under contract, they have John Loyer, who's still being paid mostly from his 76er contract; Roy Rogers, who may start to get offers as a big man coach after his success with Brook Lopez; Doug Overton, who handled the point guard and point forward types and also did some advance scouting; and Jim Sann, whose title is coaching associate.  He's a favorite of Devin Harris. Dave D has hinted that Overton is gone and noted that Loyer and Rogers will run the workouts in the absence of a head coach.  (Rich D'Alatri, strength and conditioning coach, has a built-in advantage. He holds a Expert Certification in Soviet Training that he received years ago from the Soviet Institute of Sport in Moscow.)

--Replenishing the "meat and potatoes" jobs in the front office.  The Nets lost their stats guy; their No. 2 capologist; advance scouts; even executive assistants in the Ratner cost-cutting spree.  How many of those will be replaced,  when and at what price?  Others in the front office have been forced to take pay cuts or forego raises. At the press conference, we asked Prokhorov how soon that part of rebuilding would be dealt with.  He answered it would all be dealt with this summer. We liked his sincerity and we hope so.  Some of those jobs are important to this summer's decision-making.

--What about player development?  Two years ago, the Nets participated in two summer leagues and sent players to other camps in California and Nevada. Last year, player development was not such a big priority.  Also, there's also the issue of the D-League.  The font office has seen what other top flight teams can do with their own D-League team, either through outright or hybrid ownership.  It's not a big financial issue...a few million dollars a year. 

Final Note

The final payoff for the Nets in their trades of the Big Three will become clear in the next few weeks.  Everyone knew that from the moment Jason Kidd was sent to Dallas, the Nets were in a rebuilding mode, all of it aimed at this summer. 

As of now, here's what the Nets have on their roster from the trades of Kidd, Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter...Devin Harris, Keyon Dooling (via $3.3 million TE plus $3 million in cash, both from Mavs), Trenton Hassell, Courtney Lee (via Ryan Anderson), Yi Jianlian, Bobby Simmons, Chris Quinn (via Rafer Alston), Tony Battie and the #27 pick in the 2010 Draft. 

as of July, you can add whoever is taken with the Mavs' pick at #27 plus whoever is signed with the $25+ million in cap space the Nets accumulated in those deals. Until the cap space is used up in 2011-12--when Carter's contract ends, it's hard to say how well or poorly the Nets did in those three trades. We will know soon, however.

On the other hand, the Mavericks and Magic did not achieve their stated goals in doing the deals--winning it all--and the Bucks have long since forgotten RJ.  

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Thorn doing his

Jedi mind tricks to convince the Wiz and Philly to take Cousins. That’s all that is.

by Doesthishurt on May 29, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

You must be joking

Do you really think Ed Stefanski is going to be manipulated by Thorn?

I’ve said since the ping pong balls bounced that we got more lucky than we realize right now. We need what’s available to us at #3 more than anything else… so now it’s a matter of who we take. Cousins or Favors?

Lately I’m leaning Cousins. But I’m all for Favors.

by eLonepb on May 29, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh...the point would be

that there would be spin if ever Thorn would be dealing for a trade. Thorn isn’t going to get someone to pick “the other guy”, ahead of him, but he might get someone to think that he is after a different player than he really is. This could be valuable if he’s trying to trade up, but even more so if he is trying to trade down. This is Draft smokescreen 101.

If Thorn is simply being straight, what would be the advantage of that? Sounding like a talent evaluator? Perhaps.

by kv on May 29, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree that it might have been intentional how Thorn promoted Wall before the draft (people thought Nets would get the pick, so his opinion was most valued).

Although nothing he said about Wall was a lie, had he said that it was a toss up between Wall and Turner, then everything would be different today.

Thorn’s statement about Wall pretty sealed the deal once the media picked up on it. Now Wiz are pressured to take him.

Thorn knew at the time that he had a 53% chance of getting the #3 or #4 pick when he made the statement.
Now Thorn is minimizing Evan Turner’s ability, while Dave D. writes if Turner becomes available, Nets will “pounce” on him.

So far things are playing right according to the script I would predict for Thorn.

by jerry25 on May 29, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The nice thing about Thorn when he is spinning

He is almost always ALSO telling the truth. His description of Cousins is pretty accurate as to all the positives, in fact really well put. I think that is why his spin works so often, he doesn’t lie and hype much.

by kv on May 29, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Good read, NI

People can bash Cousins all they want. Thorn likes him, and with good reason. Hopefully he’s the pick. Also, don’t forget Dave D reported this week that some in the Nets staff believe Cousins is the SECOND biggest talent in the draft. I’m willing to bet Thorn is one of them, as you can deduce from what he told Dave D and you quoted:

In a conversation with Dave D’Alessandro before the Lottery, Thorn was talking about Evan Turner, when he asked rhetorically of the Ohio State swingman: "Is he the second-best player in the draft? I don’t know if you can say that. Who can be more talented than the kid from Kentucky (Cousins), a huge guy with great feet and hands?

by Andres B on May 29, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Its a win-win for Thorn to boost Cousins, whether he means it or not.

Bottom line will come if Cousins continues to get in better shape. Despite the 292 lbs. and high body fat, Cousins was reportedly working at hard since the end of the season and was in much better shape.

I’m sure though that Thorn’s statement about Cousins are truthful. However, there are other factors not mentioned, such as how long a career Cousins would have, likelyhood of injury, and could he really play alongside Brook? Who would guard stretch 4s?

We have yet to hear from Brook Lopez on this? Has anyone sought out Brook’s opinion? I would hope that Thorn has?

by jerry25 on May 29, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks like Big Baby is going to do what Barkley did for another

generation of fat dude prospects. Make everyone be afraid they are going to miss out on something special. It took the NBA 15 years to get over the optical illusion known as “Charles”

by kv on May 29, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

think about that name...

“Tiny” Gallon.

Think about the headlines: Gallon fills it up…Half-Gallon Doesn’t Get It Done, etc.

by Net Income on May 29, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only Lee and the pick will be on the Nets in two years

“Devin Harris, Keyon Dooling (via $3.3 million TE plus $3 million in cash, both from Mavs), Trenton Hassell, Courtney Lee (via Ryan Anderson), Yi Jianlian, Bobby Simmons, Chris Quinn (via Rafer Alston), Tony Battie and the #27 pick in the 2010 Draft.”

So, meaningful players to be traded:

Jason Kidd, Jefferson and Carter for Lee, 27th pick and cap room.

I don’t know. The move was bold, but unless they end up with a Hall of Fame player in the next 2, it was something of a bust.

by kv on May 29, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

The Nets last three years

with the Big Three they won 41, 34 and 34 games. Nuff said.

by Net Income on May 29, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying they shouldn't have been traded

I’m saying that the trade strategy, the specific trades made, might not have been best. Trading aging stars for multiple players is often a path to less-than-mediocrity.

The name of the game is stars. Almost every time you trade for volume you get bottom feeders. But who knows.

by kv on May 29, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

they traded for cap space

young players and draft picks.

When you dump salary, you never get value in return: you get young players, draft picks, expiring contracts (cap space), and cash.

You wont know until next year how it went. But if the Nets wind up with a future All-Star in the draft and an All-Star in free agency, they will have done fine.

by Net Income on May 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Notice

I put “cap space” on the ledger. The point is, if you don’t end up with a dominant player or two with that “cap space” (and the 2011 cap is going to be a hard cap likely), then the gamble was a bit of a waste.

And that is why I said: 2 years.

Could they have gotten something better than Lee and 27. Probably. We’ll see. I thought the trades were worth the gamble and well timed, but at a certain point you have to take stock of them (which is why the article was good).

by kv on May 29, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Harris?

Don’t forget that Harris was sent to NJ as part of the Kidd trade… I’m not saying he’s a superstar but he’s worth a mention if we’re noting Lee.

by NotSoSilentBob on May 30, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prokhorov

Let’s remember that if the Nets still had the big three and were hemmorghing money that would not have been such an attractive sale. The new owner having a great deal of flexibility is one reason why the Nets were so attractive.

by gsloots on May 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the correct answer is 42, 49, 41, and that included two first round wins which is accomplished by only 8 teams each season, just saying.

by ispartan on May 29, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You lost all credibility when you implied that Devin Harris’ contract runs through 2011-2012 and the Nets would not pick up Terrence Williams’ fourth year option (that is ridiculous).

by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 29, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cousins

Excellent article, NI. The more I read about who the Nets will choose with the #3rd pick, the more I am swayed to believe that they will choose Cousins. I think Cousins and Lopez would form a formidable combination if that was the case. Thorn seems to be sold on him.

"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

by Tim G on May 29, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Thorn on Turner sounds rather critical to my ear:

“But wherever he plays, if he’s going to be effective, he’s got to have the ball. He’s a big-time competitive kid — not super quick or a great athlete, but a good athlete.”

It seems like a nice way of saying,

Are you going to turn your entire offense over to a merely “good athlete” and average shooter who has to have the ball all the time?

by kv on May 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Did he make that statement about Turner, before or after the draft, or during the Draft Combine?

I am hoping that Phila. would start thinking that Turner and Iggy wouldn’t get along. Iggy needs the ball and is kind of an arrogant guy.

Phila. might prefer getting a Big, like Cousins and moving Dalembert (in his final year).
With Turner, Young would have to come off the bench.

If Cousins looks even better in next few weeks, then additional considerations from Nets could be the decider on whether Phila. lets Thorn have Turner. That could be another topic.

Obviously there would be no problem with the current Nets group, to have Turner running the team, the way DWade and Kobe run their teams.

by jerry25 on May 29, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiki come back!

Thorn’s really going to pick Cousins, isn’t he? “Just get me the player least like Yi!” We’ll still have poor interior defense plus an offense that is based on clogging our own lanes. Genius.

by calling all toasters on May 29, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

So we're going to pick Aminu?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 29, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

its all shawnG's fault

Prokhy probably would have kept Kiki for the draft if not for his lobbying.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 29, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, whats happened to the NetsDaily “town crier” Shawn Carter?

by aunt-B on May 29, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to be convinced that Aminu is a better option than Wes Johnson. He would be a straight SF with some PF.

Here is his interview. He says he is Laid Back, not Lazy. He won’t be 20 until September, despite finishing his Sophomore year.

Otherwise I would still consider Wes Johnson for more flexibility:
The possibility of playing Johnson at SG instead of fixing him at SF would give Nets some flexibility to sign James or Anthony next year.

Winning only 12 games to settle for Johnson would not be a good thing. But if LeBron signed up, then Nets would be on route to being an elite team.

BLopez
DLee
LeBron
Wes Johnson
DHarris

That would become an elite team with Avery Johnson as coach, once Johnson and TWill developed.
However, with Turner instead of Wes Johnson, that would be a Championship Team – That should be Obvious as you would have 5 present past and future All Stars as starters.

That is why if Nets have to give up CLee and any number of draft picks to get Turner, it would be worth it.
LeBron knows talent. Getting Turner and DLee would make it sooooo much easier to recruit LeBron. Nets don’t have cap space for both Amare and LeBron and it isn’t worth given up Harris, without an equal replacement.

by jerry25 on May 29, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Giving up Lee and future picks is totally worth trading up 1 spot. More than that, on the other hand, is not worth it.

by twill5 on May 29, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the interview of Aminu that I mentioned above.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Al-Farouq-Aminu-1293/

I didn’t watch Wake that much this year, but I assume he would be less of a project than Favors.

If he would be ready to play SF in 1st year, with high upside since he is only 19, I would consider him over Johnson, who is 3 years older.

One of the advantages over Favors is that it lets Nets go for a top PF in free agency. With both a SF and quality PF signed up, then LeBron would be easier to recruit.

by jerry25 on May 29, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

or

Rubio
Lee
LeBron
Lee
Lopez

by Wall or Bust on May 29, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then teams from the get go will know how to beat us. Just clog the paint.

by Sparklespice on May 29, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favors would clog the lanes more than Cousins.

by Andres B on May 30, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

@ Andy

I love that lineup

Combine the 27 and 31 picks with the GS pick to move up to get Avery Bradley

Harris/Bradley/TWill
Lee/CDR
AK/TWill
Cousins/Hump/AK
Lopez/Boone

by Andres B on May 30, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

its that simple...

thorn doesnt have to go crazy…yeah bradley is getting hype lately…slowly moving up.

most important thing this offseason is to get a excellent coach

by Andy. on May 30, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you realize how much money AK-47 makes?

He makes double what the Nets’ highest paid player Harris makes, what a max FA will be making in this off-season market: almost 18 mill.

Do you honestly want AK-47 to be that kind of salary albatross for this year, the guy is a 6th man for Utah? You want AK over Stoudamire? Over Nowitzki?

Are you trying to clear cap space in 2011? There aren’t many attractive FAs in the next season, and it will likely be a hard cap year. It seems like an odd ideal line up

by kv on May 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It makes more sense to take on his overpay for a year

and save the cap room for next year or resign him to a more reasonable contract than lock ourselves into max money for 4 years in questionable contracts just to say we signed someone.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Id rather trade for AK and preserve some cap space than give 2nd/3rd tier fas bloated deals.

by Andres B on May 30, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be helpful if you would name the 2011 FAs that you thought you would be going after

with that strategy. Mellow is the ONLY FA of any impact in 2011 as far as I can see. Its nice to say “save cap room” for later but you have to say for what.

by kv on May 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some interesting topics at ESPN Insider

Hedo wants to be traded.
Could have some impact on any S&T between Toronto and Knicks impacting DLee.

Thibo may get an interview from Chicago today.
Reportedly Chicago is Thibo’s first pick (so Thorn would have to get in line if he really wants Tom T.).

Mark Jackson to interview with Atlanta.

Brandon Bass has not been so happy sitting on the bench.
He has 3 years and 12 million left on his contract. Doubt if Nets would do anything until seeing how much Cap space is left. Yi is paid same as Bass but is expiring. Bass could be the Combo Forward they need. I imagine Nets would have to add draft pick for Orlando to be interested.

Michael Jordan’s former agent says that LeBron is getting bad advice about leaving Cleveland.
But if he does, he should stay away from Chicago and Lakers.

by jerry25 on May 29, 2010 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

there is this supposition

that Lee would accept a sign and trade with Toronto. Bunch of bull. Canadian and Ontario taxes are the highest in the NBA. Why would agree to go to Toronto when other teams, including the Nets, are reportedly interested in him and the Knicks have dissed him.

Yi is a better bet than Bass. If Bass played behind Ryan Anderson in Orlando, why would he be better on the Nets than Yi.

by Net Income on May 29, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won't answer that. Let Nets fans decide on Yi vs. Bass?

Bass was probably wondering the same thing, about why he was playing behind RA.
I would take either over Yi. If Yi for Anderson would save Nets cap space, then I think they would do that trade today, since Nets would like to have 1 big who can shoot 3s.
However, Yi may stay another year as part of Proky’s International push.

But according to Dave D, Nets have been trying to unload Yi since February, without any interest.

Had Yi been traded to Boston for Big Baby, I think Cleveland would now be set to play LA for Championship and Nets wouldn’t have had the worst record (maybe they would have had the 5th worst record and be getting the #1 pick (LOL).

by jerry25 on May 29, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nets fans have no say

in who the team keeps or dumps.

Bass is a MAJOR disappointment, particularly considering his new contract.

Again, he fell behind Ryan Anderson in the Magic rotation, yet people think he would jump ahead of Yi? Why did he fall so far in the Magic rotation?

by Net Income on May 30, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

SVG likes the 3 point shooting 4's

Bass would fit right in and they could still draft Favors for depth. Give up Hump’s expiring contracts and the second round pick.
His numbers were down because the coach didn’t play him.
Let him Yi and Favors battle for playing time.

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by universal on May 29, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah!!!

Yi has such high basketball IQ. Seriously. I know you like Yi, but C’mon!

And so said the old man!

by KJV on May 30, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon Net Income

Yi is no where close to being better than Bass. Let’s be serious here.

And so said the old man!

by KJV on May 30, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hedo Turkolo....

is a sleeper……..Every team that he has been on has played competively and when he left it was very noticeable……I’d sign him in a second…….

by NetFan48 on May 29, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we acquire him

We have to trade for him. That also means we inherit that salary.

by twill5 on May 29, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

He is an under-rated player, and the Magic probably is in the finals if they had the Turk instead of half-human.

by kv on May 29, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We already have Terrence Williams, who is way more talented for a fraction of the cost. PASS.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 30, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, trade your cap space for a 31 year old

who parties too much, is obviously on the downside of his career and is owed $43.8 million over four.

by Net Income on May 30, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turk made 9 mill last season, Harris 8.

A Harris, Dooling 31 for Turk and 13 would actually increase our cap space. At 13 the Nets would be in position to pick up another big man as insurance against a #3 bust. The question is, at 31 would the team be good enough to make use of Turks synergistic skills. If nothing else Turk would be a lure to a big FA. He has some pedigree.

But he want’s out big time, and Toronto is screwed a bit

“"‘When the circumstances turned against me, I lost my enthusiasm for this city," Turkoglu said. "My lawyers have talked to the front office recently. Honestly, I do not want to go back to Toronto. My lawyers talked to [Bryan] Colangelo and I hope that they will come up with a solution soon. ‘During this process, I talked to Jay Triano several times. I promised him that whether he starts me or not, I will do my best on the court. However, if I had a more temperamental personality, I would have left the team. Yet, I did exactly the opposite. I did my best.’"

by kv on May 30, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about a nightmare length line up of

Turk
Lee
Twill
Stoudamire
Lopez

Cousins
Udoh
Ramond Felton (FA)
Armon Johnson (Draft)
Yi

by kv on May 30, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

wheres the nightmare length in that?

C.lee is average for his position, T-will is below average, Amare is average, and Lopez is around average/maybe above average for center? Then Felton is WELL undersized, though I do think the idea of signing him is interesting it would obviously depend on the price. And how in the world are we getting Udoh?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stoudamire is an average PF in the league?

I can see from that alone that your notion of average is perhaps below average.

If you read the post above it would be included in the trade for Turk.

From my perspective having Cousins and Udoh coming off the bench and Stoud starting with Lopez would be a nightmare, as well as would having a back court of all 6 7 guys who can pass.

by kv on May 30, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

??? um did you read

he’s average length and size. hence there’s no nightmare length in that line up. Nightmare length is guys like Pierce and Kobe who are 6-7 and can play and guard shooting guards, or guys like Artest and Odum who can play and guard small forwards, or 7 footers athletic enough to play pf. There’s no nightmare length in that line up.

Plus I’m still not understanding how we’re getting Udoh who’s expected to go in the top 10.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 30, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read, you were a bit unclear what you were referring to by "average"

Honestly it was pretty clear where the length issue would be. There would be 6 7 guys filling the back court, and this would be a passing, running long team. There would be a ton of SPEED at the PF and C positions, not to mention that Cousins and Udoh coming off the bench who PLAY very long.

As for comparisons to the Lakers, Fischer would have a VERY hard time matching up with ANY of the backcourt I propose. As would almost any start PG in the league (Turk posts up very well).

Toronto drafts at 13. If we don’t get him there we can take Montiejunas. In any case, having Cousins off the bench for back up PF or C would be ideal for his growth, and give the Nets a VERY long front court rotation.

If you are going to say that no team can be considered as having a nightmarishly long team unless they have the Laker’s roster, well, I guess you are free to say that.

by kv on May 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Cousin's wingspan is 7' 5" 3/4, Udoh's 7' 4" 1/2

Stoudamire plays longer than he is for obvious above the rim reasons as does Udoh.

by kv on May 30, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you wanted to, against bigger SFs like Mellow or Lebron

you could play for stretches a line up of

PG TWill 6 6 (6 9 wingspan)
SG Turk 6 10 (7 2 wingspan)
SF Stoud 6 10 (7 2 wingspan)
PF Cous 6 11 (7 5 wingspan)
C Lopez 7 0 (7 5 wingspan)

Bench:
SF/PF Yi 6 11 (7 3 wingspan)
SF/PF Udoh 6 9 (7 4 wingspan)

by kv on May 30, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s see how this line up with match up with the Lakers.

Twill would guard Fischer

He may have trouble staying with him on the outside, but Fischer would have a very hard time with Twill’s strength and open court game.

Turk would guard Kobe

He did this in the Finals last year with some success, but he would need some help off the dribble. Kobe would have a difficult time with Turk in the post probably.

Stoudemire would guard Artest

This would be an easy mismatch. All Stoudemire would have to do is stay home on him, and occasionally double down on the post. Artest would have a very hard time in the post.

Cousins would guard Bynum

Young length against young length. Its unclear how Cousins would be defensively against someone his size, but it probably would be something of a wash.

Lopez would guard Gasol

Both players would have problems stopping the other.

Not bad match ups against the team that probably will win the championship this year. The games would probably come down to Kobe’s advantage vs. Stoudemire’s and Twill’s advantage. And possibly Odom vs. Udoh. Not so bad and an improvement from a 12 win team.

Because Cousins can step out to 20 ft (he really has an underated outside stroke) the rotation of Stoudemire back into the post would make answering them on the weakside very difficult for the Lakers. Bynum would be forced to the outside and Artest would be back guarding Stoud in the post.

by kv on May 30, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And for more fun let’s see how this line up with match up with the Celts.

Twill would guard Rondo
advantage Celts

He probably would have more success than most in keeping Rondo out of the lane due to his strength and length, there may be foul trouble. Twill would be a bit of a handful for Rondo in the open court, possibly taking away from some of his offense.

Lee would guard Allen Advantage Celts

Lee is a good, persistent defender who has the size to stay with Allen’s outside shot off screens. He at least would make Allen run on D.

Turk would guard Pierce Slight Advantage Celts

Turk has the size and strength to bother Peirce’s main game, which is muscling shots up and over defenders and getting and ones. There would be something of a mis-match on the other end, as Peirce doesn’t really like defending on ball.

Stoudemire would guard Garnett Advantage Nets

If this was 2 years ago, advantage Garnett. But now On offense Stoudemire eats him up and fouls him out. On D, maybe a wash and Garnett mostly shoots short jumpers and put backs.

Lopez would guard Perkins. Advantage Nets

Perkins would have serious problems with Lopez’s game. But would have the rebound advantage.

Big Baby vs. Cousins. Even

Cousins is young, but he has the length, heft and touch to really give Big Baby fits.

Rasheed vs. Udoh Slight advantage Nets

Rasheed is an outside player now. Udoh has the reach and speed to bother his shot. In the open court a huge mismatch.

By and large Rondo would probably be the decisive advantage, but if the Nets had an open court up and down game, the overall athleticism and length could give the older Celts serious trouble. Stoudemire would get to the line a lot, and the Net bench would be an interesting advantage. The question is, would Twill exert a force on the game from the guard position, and would Turk’s SF ball handling lead to easy baskets.

by kv on May 30, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides the unrealistic part

I think we would have trouble putting up points against either of these teams, and I was just wondering, what’s the view on TWill as the full-time PG? I’m for it but I feel like most people think he isn’t suited for it full time

by SadNetsFan on May 30, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it's only a matter of time...

if he keeps the consistency he displayed in the final games of the season.

for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...

by Nets-ness on May 30, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

the roster I suggest would be very front court oriented

They would have 2 near 20 pt players in Amare and Lopez, and a 6 10 forward who could feed the post at will. I agree that points might be at a premium. They would have to be had in transition and off the boards. The biggest challenge would be outside shooting in the half-court.

I too wonder about the Twill at PG, but could there be a better example on how to work the point from a position of size than Hedu? If Twill and Hedu played together neither would have to play fulltime at the point.

by kv on May 30, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it should be added,

the examples of match ups I gave was because Gina claimed that such a roster wouldn’t be “long” when compared to the Lakers’ roster. In fact, it would be perhaps a bit longer, when matched up.

by kv on May 30, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

? No I claimed the roster you gave

wouldn’t be long by any means. When did I say anything about matching up with the lakers I meant relative to how a long team matches up with others. Amare might be able to keep up with Artest because he has little to no offensive game at this point but he’s not going to match up with most teams small forward/shooting guards, which is what Artest does. Amare isn’t going to be able to contain a player like Durant, or Kobe even, which is who Artest matches up with, hence why I brought up the Lakers. Lopez isn’t going to be able to guard a perimeter athletic big man like Gasol, or Howard etc wtf are you talking about. My point is they have players who can guard the sg-pf position, in Artest and Odom, who are considered longer and oversized. Your line up doesn’t have that. Amare barely plays defense now he’s definitely not going to be guarding premier small forwards like Artest does or power forwards like Odom does, and certainly not more athletic scorers like Durant, or Lebron or Kobe.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 30, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

What you said what that if one was to have

a long team, the Lakers was the example.

In terms of length indeed such a team would match up quite well.

Amare “might” be able to match up against Artest??? Might?

And it goes against Amare that he can’t contain Durant? or Kobe? Are you crazy? There are like 3 guys in the league that can check those guys for a stretch or two, they are MVP candidates.

Against the Lakers the team I proposed would have the LENGTH advantage of being able to put Amare on Artest, and that is because they would have Cousins and Lopez to cover the other two very long bigs. Hence, the Nets would have a nighmarishly long team. Artest could not stop Amare, in fact he guarded him on only one possession in the entire series, despite the fact that Amare was shredding the Lakers’ D at times.

Lopez couldn’t stop Gasol? I said as much. But Gasol would have problems guarding Lopez as well. Gasol is a foul machine when it comes to offensive centers.

As for Lopez guarding Howard, you you consider an “perimeter athletic big man” (?), who guards this guy well? Only beef does. Against the Magic he would have trouble, but Amare would be difficult to handle too.

My point was against the IDEAL nightmarishly long team, the Lakers, the Nets would have a team that matches very very well in terms of length – and we haven’t even touched on the problems that Kobe would have on Turkoglu.

Yes, they have big sg-pf versatility, but the lineup I propose has all kinds of other versatility that results from length.

To begin you have Twill who offensively could play PG, SG, SF (and perhaps defend all three). Turkoglu can play anything from PG to PF, just like Odom. Amare is both a PF and a Center, as likely is Cousins, and possibly Lopez as well. As pointed out Amare probably could also guard bigger SFs like Mellow, Pierce, Lebron and Artest, the kinds of guys who use their strength to abuse defenders.

The point of just such a lineup – and these are the things we talk about this far away from the season – would be to make the strength of the team the front court (a rotation of Amare, Lopez and Cousins). All scoring guys with different skills, and then give them a forward/guard who is 6 10 who can FEED the post easily. I like Harris, but he isn’t really a feed the post PG. If you are going to have front court dominance, you have to be able to feed it.

Now the exotics of such a plan would be whether or not Twill could handle the point, and whether or not he blossoms. If he doesn’t progress into something special the team would be a bit of a plodding team. But if we had an athletic 6 6 PG and Turkoglu at 6 10, a fast starting front court that can run in transition, and Twill was going well, this would be a very difficult team to deal with. There might be match up problems with other teams, but they would have them as well.

If Twill can’t handle the point, the whole idea has some weakness (which is why I proposed signing Felton and also drafting A. Johnson). Also, outside shooting would be problem in the half-court, so maybe Korber would be a better signing.

In any case, it was just food for thought. When you have a 12 win team you really have to get creative if you want to climb higher, you have to take risks. In all likelihood a FA and the 3 three will not be enough to rocket the Nets into the conference finals. You have to look for REAL talent (and Turkoglu has real talent), which is undervalued for some reason. its a risk though.

by kv on May 31, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would the Nets be better with Turkoglu rather than Harris?

That is the bigger, more general question behind this talk of length. I think it is an interesting question.

What it breaks down to, despite the fact that there is a perception that Hedu’s contract is a behemoth, is that it would be about a 1.7 million dollar a year difference. Each have three guaranteed years on their contracts (Prok could buy out the last player option year of Hedu’s contract where the salary gets crazy). So we would be talking about a less than 2 mill a year difference.

The other big difference would be of course Harris’s age, and the chance the Nets would have to move him if he rebounds with a significant year. Right now Harris represents the only burdensome chunk of the salary cap on the whole roster. It terms of financial investment, he is the center of the team.

Personally though I think Harris a very skilled player, and an efficient scorer, his sklll-set really isn’t the kind that makes TEAMS better. He’ll pass for open court assists and he’ll drain shots, but there is a kind of lack of dimension to his game.

Hedu, despite the fact he has a PR problem right now, is a very different kind of player. He is the kind of guy who could get 20 rebounds one night (he had 19 his first game back after the scandal, against Chicago), and 10 assists another night. He is a kind of synergistic player, one whose length and passing skills can transform an offense, and he has time shot hitting sense, a la last years Finals. He is actually more Odom than Odom.

But, and this is the big but, unless you get a dynamic, center of the offense FA, having Turkoglu would be a complete waste of money and effort. That was why I recommended Stoudemire. I think that Stoudemire along with Lopez and the number 3 would provide a solid anchorage for the offense through the post, just the kind of thing that Turkoglu thrives on.

Is it a no-brainer? Not in the least. But it is worth thinking about. Its just 1.7 mill a year.

by kv on May 31, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps as a bit of an experiment name the NBA teams

that Stoudamire would NOT be starting for, if he was on the roster. I can hardly think of any off the top of my head. He would likely be starting for both the Lakers and the Celts, as well as this year’s Cavs and Magic, even Denver. Perhaps every playoff team of 2010.

by kv on May 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya Know.......

I was saying that Cousins may seem better than he really is because he had John Wall on his team…Same for Bledsoe…….But now I’m wondering if John Wall seemed alot better than he really is because he had Cousins on his team…?……What say you ?

by NetFan48 on May 29, 2010 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

cousins was often doubled teamed

allowing for him to pass it to a “open” wall..not saying wall was good because of cousins. But im saying that a center benefits from a good pg and possibly vice versa.

by Andy. on May 29, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Cousins would be double-teamed in the NBA.

No wait, Lopez always gets double teamed.

Hmm, seems to create a problem for other teams!

Here is a tape of discussion of who is best player for NBA draft.

Seems everyone agrees it is either Turner, Wall and Cousins – only the order varies.

At the end Skip Bayless says that Cousins was the best College player and the most talent for NBA.
What I missed at that time (March 30), was they all want to see Cousins play PF, not Center.

Skip, although a jerk at times, isn’t afraid to say the opposite of the Hype.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5037799

by jerry25 on May 30, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to know who said that John Wall has a 43 1/2" standing jump? That was one of his attributes that allowed people saying he would be #1 pick.

Draft Express Combine Results has him at only 30" standing, and 39" running jump. His highest reach is the same as DeMarcus, several inches short of 12’.

Have we been duped about John Wall?

by jerry25 on May 29, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

That 43 1/2" does sound vaguely familiar, but Wall was still either 1st or 2nd (out of about 50 prospects) in agility, the sprint, and running jump. He is clearly the best athlete among them, even acknowledging that these are all events at which guards do better than big men. It looks to me like Ed Davis and Favors did the best of the bigs and W. Johnson did the best of the swingmen.

by calling all toasters on May 29, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh...

what makes Wall number 1 isn’t is vertical jump, its his

SIZE, SPEED, LENGTH, VISION, FEEL FOR THE MOMENT, FINISHING ABILITY and his PERSONA.

Honestly, his size and speed combination is Lebron-like for a PG. He is going to get stronger, and likely faster.

Watch him in 2007, when he was I believe still 16 years old.

As the video says of the performance:

“Here is John Wall at Breakout Camp before he was ranked by any national scouting service. John then qualified for RBKU Camp through Breakout. He not only got finally ranked but put 27 points up against Brandon Jennings and made the Camp’s Allstar Game. Wall the following year went from a completely unranked player the year prior to the Number 1 player in the class of 2009. The rest is history for the NBA’s future number 1 draft pick.”

by kv on May 29, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did any of you read Bill Simmons’ latest mailbag on ESPN? There was a question about a segment from the show “Basketball Wives” with ex-Net Eric Williams in it. I realize this is irrelevant to the thread, but I found it quite hilarious.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 29, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't believe someone would....

…..actually want Hedo on this team. That guy took Toronto’s money, went out to party, and hasn’t been back since. No thanks.

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on May 30, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

UMM

Not saying we should get Hedo, but I do remember a certain fellow who was also had misfortunes in Toronto, some even accused him of sabotaging his own games. He did a great job for us, and his career was revived here with the Nets. I guess what i am sayin, we dont know both sides, and we cannot close the door on a guy who is solid. I mean yes he is overpaid, just playing devil’s advocate.

by danxcr on May 30, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the OTHER side of the story

Hedo: Anyway, that’s why I said I have some issues with the organization. I felt sore at the Jazz game and didn’t play against Mehmet [Okur] in the second half. I’ve never come out and said, "I won’t play tonight" during my career. And it was not the case in Toronto either. I played through a hip injury, some ankle pain and, as you all know, cheekbone damage all year. I don’t even remember the shape of my nose anymore. Despite all of these challenges, I always intended to play and try my best.
After a sleepless Thursday night and not having eaten much, they asked me how I felt. I explained the situation and said, "I didn’t sleep. I’m not feeling good." Their answer was, ‘We shouldn’t put you on the court without practicing."

Hedo: Our Italian physiologists said, "You are not starting today. After training on Sunday you’ll give it a go against Miami and Charlotte." I nodded and did some weight work on game day.
Although they allowed me to go home, I wanted to watch the game with my teammates. After the game, I went back home. Some European teammates called me and said, "Hedo, are you sleeping?" Then they told me where they were hanging out, which is actually 100 meters away from my home. I said, "OK" and when I arrived, all the guys were here. And if you check the camera records, you will see that I left there in 15-20 minutes with Andrea Bargnani. I guarantee it. And if they prove me wrong, I will give back my contract!
The day after, the whole controversy erupted. They claimed that I intentionally skipped the game. And the worst thing is that the people making the claims were from Raptors’ management and they wanted to suspend me for two games. My attorney settled the dispute and Mr. [Bryan] Colangelo promised me that things would stay between us.

The rest is here.

by kv on May 30, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Hedo was such a destructive team force for the Magic last year...oops

that is the guy who guided them to the Finals, whose unique skills and heart was the difference in their post-season…must be someone else we were talking about.

by kv on May 30, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

We do not know what exactly happened. There is always 3 sides to the story and in this case its the Rapters management, Hedo’s, and the truth. One again, i am not sayin to go after this guy, i do feel that he is over paid and he would not help us out right away. So whats the point. But as fans, let us not be so critical of players, put yourself in their shoes, sure they make massive money, but everything they do is under the microscope, why should they be role models?

by danxcr on May 31, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thorn was just being political and saying all the right things.

Who knows if Cousins increases his draft stock in the coming weeks?

As of now the best big is Favors, there’s no denying that.

for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...

by Nets-ness on May 30, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL, you gotta love posts ilke this
As of now the best big is Favors, there’s no denying that.

Sure there is. LMAO.

Thorn was just being political and saying all the right things.

Read whatever you want into Thorn’s words, he likes Cousins, get over it.

by Andres B on May 31, 2010 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone want to talk about anything besides Cousins/ Favors?

Here, I’ll try.

I think the Nets may hold out for Phil Jackson. Don’t know how realistic this scenario is, but I think it’s better than nothing. We have attractive parts, and I’m wondering if Phil comes, does Kobe follow? And if so, what do we give up besides DHarris in order to bring in Black Mamba? The holdup is Kobe’s age for me, but he’s still getting it done at almost 32. He’s got 3-4 good years left in my estimation.

Anyone have any insight on the possibility of this scenario. Is it even remotely possible? With Proky, I can’t rule anything out at this point, and imagine the packed stands for the next 2 years at the Rock.

by Morph on May 31, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the only thing I want to talk about less than Cousins/Favors

is Phil Jackson/Lebron scenarios.

Also IMO there’s just absolutely no way the Lakers will ever ever ever trade Kobe.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 31, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I don’t want to talk about LeBron either. However, since we’re holding off from signing a coach at this point, I think PJ MAY be in the mix. And Proky wants to make that “big splash”. What better way than with a 10-time title holder as coach and the best player in the NBA (and yes, that includes LBJ)?

And PJ is, in effect, a Free Agent at the end of this season.

by Morph on May 31, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

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