Jarvis Hayes Thinks LeBron Goes To "New York", Shaq to Newark
by Net Income on May 27, 2010 7:06 AM EDT
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PrintJarvis Hayes recently joined a panel of fans and writers that discussed where the top free agents might surface next season. Hayes is a free agent himself but has expressed interest in returning to the Nets. In his comments, he believes LeBron James is most likely headed for "New York" but (diplomatically?) doesn't specify Knicks or Nets; followed by the Bulls and Cavaliers.
For the most part, Hayes thinks the top free agents stay where they are, although he believes Chris Bosh might follow LeBron and Carlos Boozer will join Dwyane Wade in Miami. As for Shaquille O'Neal, Hayes thinks the best landing spot for the 38-year-old would be his hometown. "I think that there is a very realistic chance that Shaq goes home and helps further the development of Brook Lopez in New Jersey, where he will be the best backup center in the league on a very competitive team."
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i dont see shaq as the type of guy who cares about developing young dudes
and he’s definitely a dude that likes his warm climates.
forget Shaq...
…any possibility we resign JHayes? I liked him on this squad. Only real outside shooting threat on this team. Real professional and still relatively young. Unload CDR. Keep Hayes.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on May 27, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Hayes is injury prone and just had a mediocre season. He’s gone. CDR is young, still improving, and was playing well until Kiki and his agenda screwed up his production.
If Thorn isn't satisfied with his options for the draft at #3, I can see him offering CLee to Phila. so Nets can get Turner.
Then CDR would have his chance for more PT, if he improves outside shooting.
If the Nets get Turner
they are going to have to get rid of a wing player anyway. They really had too many last year.
Hayes, Hassell
are gone
So you’d have ET, CLee, TWill and CDR, with TWill and ET getting spot minutes at the 1.
Nets aren’t getting Turner anyways.
You mean Phila. wouldn't think CLee would be enough compensation?
What about the GS Warriors 1-7 protected pick?
CLee is not going anywhere
He is great value for money on his current contract and has plenty of upside as a +/-25 minute per game guy on a championship quality team. Lets wait until after all the workouts, but is sure feels like the perceived gap between Turner and Favors is becoming less – maybe Turner falls to us – maybe we decide Favors is better anyway.
From Thorn’s words NI posted on another thread, Rod seems higher on Cousins than he is on Turner. Turner is not falling to #3 anyways. IMO, it’d be a huge mistake to pass on either of them to take Favors.
I don't recall that.
Besides it would be in Rod’s interest to promote Cousins and devalue Turner publicly. However, I haven’t seen him do that yet.
So far all I have seen is Thorn have people believe he prefers a project in Favors over Cousins.
Thorn did say if Cousins would lose some weight that he would be even quicker.
I think...
…he has star potential. But Turner gives us a scorer at the two with solid all around game. I don’t take a chance on passing up a kid like that, besides, I think that with the right line up, he and Williams would be a sick duo
I’d rather the Nets spend money on upgrading the PF and get their perimeter stud in the draft. Rudy Gay is not worth overpaying
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
But a Superstar is ALWAYS better than CLee plus a Project like Favors.
Always
And I am not even sure that Phila. would think that CLee is enough compensation. The Phila fans are set on Turner to make their other players better.
I wouldn't give them Lee...
I have to keep Lee over CDR. Lee kept his head on straight despite adversity and playing like crap to finish the season moderately strong. CDR started with a bang, faced adversity, and lost his focus.
Plus, Lee works better as a roleplayer in either a starting role or as bench support because of his defense and his range. If Lee can shoot 36-38% from Three next season that would be a massive boost. He needs to really work hard on that this offseason, his jumpshot looked way better in Orlando than it did here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It depends on how you want to look at it
One can argue that CDR is competitive and hits losing while CLee is fine with losing as long as he gets a chance to play. Anyway, did you already forget how much CLee was bashing us, not wanting to play for us after he was traded, while CDR was so excited to be playing for the Nets in his second (really first) season in the league?
And so said the old man!
Well...
…first of all, I’m one of CDR’s biggest supporters on here, I defended him during the whole “twitter” controversy because it was a bunch of overblown nonsense by people who just didn’t like the kid because he was outspoken. He lost me a bit though when he basically quit at one point during the season and lost his aggressiveness. Kiki acting like an idiot is one thing, but tucking your tail and pouting is another. He stopped playing hard, and it gave his detractors a ton of ammo towards him. Had he played hard despite Kiki slashing his minutes people would still talk about him being apart of the team’s future, but this kid did not have the luxury to do something like that. I like his competitive fire, and i think he is talented and can improve, but Lee and Williams are way ahead of him at this point, and that makes him expendable. I hope that we can trade him into a situation where he can succeed.
While I believe that Lee did pout about coming here, when he got here, despite playing like crap for all but 2 months of the season, he shut his mouth and did what was asked of him. He’s not perfect but I think at this point, what Lee brings to the table is more valuable than what CDR brings.
Lee kept pushing, CDR didn’t, and that’s the difference.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Well said. I WAS a CDP supporter becuase of the commitment he’s shown in the prior offseason at becoming a better player. I loved the fact that he had a chip on his shoulder about being picked in the 2nd Rd.
I loved his fan interaction. His play in the beginning of the season was showing that his work was paying off. But he lost me at that point when he quit. Thats a big pet peeve of mine when it comes to players.
I find myself finding it hard to root for JKidd nowadays because of that same reason, unlike other former Nets like VC and RJ.
CDR has some making up to do in my eyes.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on May 27, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
CDR
Does one thing well and that is to be a scorer. The problem with him is that he is not a top option so his best bet would be to be a scorer on a poor team.
Go back to games last year and watch what happened when he got the ball. He basically dribbles a step back and goes one on one almost all the time. Often, he pounds the ball into the ground, takes 5 -7 seconds off the shot clock and if he doesnt get himself an opening, he kicks the ball back to the top of the key for a reset, leaving us about 10 seconds on the shot clock (by the time he gets the ball we are 5-7 seconds into the clock already).
This guy left us with some many rushed/ beat the shot clock scenarios last year.
CDR, at this point in his career, doesnt understand much beyond one on one basketball.
which isn't shocking
cause that’s pretty much all calipari’s offense is. ISO’s
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Also I think a good comparison is running backs in the NFL
there are a ton of running backs that came from spread offenses in college that can light it up on the field. But they have absolutely no idea how to pick up blitzes or and because of that get their qbs killed and so they never get on the field (Jerome Harrison is a good example). Sure CDR can light up a box score but there’s so much more to basketball than just being able to take the man in front of you and go to the hoop, and CDR hasn’t learned any of those skills yet. Where as Lee may not be the prolific scorer CDR can be but he’s a perfect complementary do everything type player. He plays strong defense, he can shoot, he understands rotation and ball movement.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Yes
My point exactly that CDR is one dimensional and very overrated on this board.
The area he would excel in is as a designated drought stopper. Thats about it. If no one has game, he could come in and make something happen but can you afford to fill a spot like that.
The guy grinds your offense to a hault when he isnt filling the hoop.
This...
…is a bit of an exagerration. I don’t think that CDR was grinding the offense to a halt, and he wasn’t killing the Nets by jacking up a ton of bad shots either. He stayed within his game(when he gave a damn about playing), if he didn’t have something, he kicked it back out. The one who pounded the air out of the ball was Devin Harris. The stuff about CDR being a ballhog and selfish on the court is overblown, the last thing that anyone here can say is that CDR was killing the Nets by taking bad shots. He’s not a passer by any means.
Basically, he wasn’t used properly at all and didn’t have a role established for him after Frank’s firing and that led to him being an absolute useless mess on the court. It’s his fault that he stopped being aggressive, but blame must be spread to the usual suspects: the old front office.
His role should have been simple: come in, and give us a boost offensively, and try to play decent defense. I don’t understand what was so hard about this or why his role was never defined. And then people wonder why that piece of crap Kiki was embarrassed in public by Prokhorov? Are you kidding me?
He needs to work on his defensive footwork, strength, 3pt range, and moving without the ball. He is god awful when he has to move without the rock, but seeing that Rod Thorn or Kiki didn’t give a damn about player development and teaching, this problem was never corrected. A simple problem that could have been broken down on tape, and then worked on in practice and during individual workouts with coaches. Oh well.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wont say
That CDR cannot grow as a player. He is not talented enough to build any program around so there will not be a great deal of attention given to this process.
TWill, with the same coaches, grew by leaps and bounds last year. How do you explain that in terms of defending CDR? Yes, you made it clear that he quit, which in and of itself is enough for me to not want him here but I believe this kid has a low ceiling and he is banging up against it.
I think his worst attribute is his lack of court vision. That is something that is bred into the player, not taught. CDR, in my opinion, doesnt have it.
well...
….first of all, T-Willy was a top 11 pick, CDR was a 2nd rdr(and a steal at that). He(Terrence) is a better all around player, period.
T-Will grew leaps and bounds when he cut the kiddie crap, put his head up, and started playing his game, which is playmaking, rebounding, defending, and getting to the rim(which i think he still needs to work on). He also started having fun, which is honestly one of the most important things about playing basketball. I give Kiki credit for getting his head out of his ass and letting the boy play, but maybe I should also give Thorn credit for telling him to cut the crap and maybe Doug Overton some cred for working with him.
He(CDR) is what he is, a kid that is a crafty, unorthodox scorer with a decent mid range shot. That’s it. He needs to work to become more than that. I think we all agree, but I’d be shocked to see him here past the draft…he can prove more useful in a trade.
Passing is not his thing, he can work on making better decisions but passing is an art and a gift.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically Mr. DB
You are stating my point. So how can I argue with that :).
I do believe his spot on the roster, assuming we are upgraded via free agency, would be better filled with more complete players.
I think you’re basically saying the same thing.
CDR still is our most offensively talented wing. We are going to need that scoring punch off the bench. We should add a good shooter to back up Devin (I like Nate Robinson) and a big SF (I like Devin Ebanks with our Mavs pick).
I actually didn't think of that
all this talk about power forwards made me totally forget we still had a gaping hole at small forward.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
yeah
we agree to agree. Good discussion either way.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Solid post, MrDB
I think his worst attribute is his lack of court vision. That is something that is bred into the player, not taught. CDR, in my opinion, doesnt have it.
Well, I recall Frank playing CDR at the PG during the final games of his rookie season, and the kid did OK. Not saying he has great court vision, but he certainly has decent passing skills, but I’d admit that he took a step backwards in that regard this season.
Look, CDR is a kid who has produced every single time he has been given a fair shot. It happened during his rookie season (when he averaged more than 12 pts and 3 asist in games he was given 20+ minutes- he missed several games bc of injuries) and last year he earned a starting spot and was averaging 17+ ppg until Frank got canned. I’m not gonna throw the kid under the bus bc of what we saw from him under a jerk who isn’t even a coach.
I remember CLee doing the same thing with the ball
There was no offensive scheme, NetProfit! All we had was a player with the ball in his hands, relying on his basketball instincts to make a play.
And so said the old man!
Not even comparable
Lee to CDR…CDR held the ball more in one game than Lee did all season!
I recall...
….Lee having nights where he was shooting god awful and kept heaving up the rock. Lee had some nights where he didn’t need to keep jacking up shots but he did. There was a point where Lee’s FG and 3PT %’s were in the toilet and his missed shots were killing the Nets.
I believe Courtney is the more valuable player either off of the bench of platooning at SG, but lets be fair now, neither player was perfect.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
But Lee’s shots, you’ll have to admit, came within the flow of ball movement. CDR basically was a black hole when he got the ball.
Im not making this CDR vs Lee. Never was..
Simply saying that I dont like CDR’s game.
I can't wait until we have an actual coach in here with a legit game plan on both ends of the floor.
I think its really hard to judge players off of last year, because of the problems in the locker room lack of a consistent message, or voice. I do agree that Lee, based off his ability to shoot can play well in more systems than CDR.
understandable...
…I’m just saying, the “CDR ground the offense to a halt” stuff is a bit overblown. CDR had no problems moving the ball, he had a problem with his role, which was apparently stand at the 3 point line with your hands on your hips. Black holes shoot the ball every time they get it. That wasn’t his M.O.
As far as black holes, I’d say that award goes to The Hump, followed by The Yi Player
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
the "CDR ground the offense to a halt" stuff is a bit overblown. CDR had no problems moving the ball, he had a problem with his role, which was apparently stand at the 3 point line with your hands on your hips. Black holes shoot the ball every time they get it. That wasn’t his M.O.
As far as black holes, I’d say that award goes to The Hump, followed by The Yi Player
Amen, Mr.DB
CDR
Had, has, and will always have problems moving the ball. He doesnt know how to do it. Unless you consider trying to break a guy down for 5 – 6 seconds, failing, then kicking back to the point moving the ball.
like i said above
that description pretty much describes calapari’s entire offense. maybe with some more coaching he can get out of the habit though.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
He probably kept shooting the rock because
that’s what the offense called for him to do on a play. Plus there’s a difference between trying to go ISO every play, and catching and shooting every play.
And by splits his awful shooting came in the first 3 months. After that he was lights out from 3.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
agreed...
his shooting picked up in the last 3 months. If he can give us 38% next season I will sing his praises
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Injury prone?
Uh, he had a bad season injury-wise. But the logged in over 70 games in his first season with us and 80 games prior in DET.
He probably had only one other season that he missed this many games in his career thusfar.
Still professinal and better defense than a guy like Korver or Kapano types, though not as good a shooter but not the huge negative on the defensive side of the ball. He still keeps you honest.
Of course the $$$ you would have to resign him at is an issue. If you can get him for the Vet minimum Id still take him over sourpuss CDR. He’s still young but the pouting and lack of hussle at points in the season when things didn’t go his way left a bad taste for me.
Those that mentioned Morrow? Isn’t he a RFA? I think GS would want him no? Id take him in a heartbeat for lower end midlevel $$$.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on May 27, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
he was TRADED to cleveland
and he also got to play with lebron, not brook lopez and a rookie to be named later
I don't think he put up much of a fight
considering Cleveland was the odds-on fave to win it all – until they didn’t.
And we don’t know Shaq’s motivations regarding Newark. He has family ties and business interests in the City and has said he’d like to have partial ownership of the team in the past.
He is injury prone
and there will be a number of very good pure shooters out there in the second tier of free agents, players like Morrow and Korver.
All right-if I’m not mistaken the Nets are gonna be in Newark for a couple of years? Making too much of people saying New York btu keeping the Nets in the mix is kinda silly. Hayes hasn’t said anything different than thousands of hopeful fans and sportswriters. No story.
Where is the SBN Buckeye blog?
by allovertheplace on May 27, 2010 7:53 AM EDT reply actions
Who are these people anyway? Seem to know even less that the sport writers.
At least they included DLee on their list, which is saying more than ESPN.
Don’t they understand that DLee can choose his team once Knicks renounce his rights, which they will have to?
Why do people think no one will want to pay DLee and he will fall back to Knicks when they wouldn’t have the money left to pay him after signing 2 other free agents?
Why do people think DLee would accept a S&T to Toronto when he would have to pay higher taxes and Toronto won’t be paying him Max salary. Only advantage is to get a 6 year deal, but he could still get more money in the end elsewhere on a better team.
DLee to Nets would have been obvious, but not likely if Nets take PF with #3 pick.
However, I wouldn’t rule it out since Favors would take several years to develop.
With Lopez, DLee, Favors, PT could be 35/35/25, but that wouldn’t leave any minutes for Hump or any other Big.
Scola would make more sense, with a 3 year deal.
If we draft Favors, I could see the Nets trying to get David Lee, so he starts while Favors develops and comes off the bench, they’d complement bc Favors would provide the defensive presence Lee lacks and Lee could bring the better offensive game. Then, down the road, when he fully develops, Favors could turn into the starter.
But hopefully we’ll draft Cousins over Favors anyways. :-D
Brook, Cousins and Shaq sounds amazing. Shaq could mentor Brook and DC, it’d be amazing.
Lee is going to be looking for a 6 year deal with big money. Unless you think Favors is a 6 year project, I don’t see this scenario happening
Scola makes more sense in the interim, unless you can think of someone else?
Scola wouldn’t complain coming off the bench for big minutes at PF and some backup Center.
Supposedly he could be signed for 3 years at 10 million per. I wonder if Houston would do better?
When you aren't a Max FA, 6 years isn't necessarily a big advantage. And Toronto is the only team mentioned for a S&T.
The least likely place for Lee is back on Knicks, IMO. They can’t sign 3 top FAs. Don’t people understand that?
If Stat stays in Phoenix, Lee could go to Chicago.
Lee doesn’t want to go to the Knicks. Hes specifically stated hes sick of playing center and I don’t see D’Antoni playing him at PF in that system
Yes I forgot. D'Antoni is set to totally distroy the Knicks.
Everyone who leaves Knicks, does better elsewhere.
Wasn’t Matt Barnes once a Knick?
If you ran the team buffet....
Fill the team with speed, athletic wings, a young mobile center and then weight it down with the sumo towers. That would be amazing….but not in a good way.
If Shaq came on a one year (with team option for a second) low cost (don’t mess with our cap space) agreed backup role contract, then hell yes. Lets give him a retirement tour hosted by his friends and family in Newark. But this ain’t happening!
Before people talk Shaq to Nets, lets first talk what he would be paid.
Shaq would be a leftover, after the free agents sign. He would have to work for Vets. Min.
And I doubt there would be much PT, if any for him,
If Nets have Lopez, Favors, Hump and then get someone like Scola (until Favors develops), there isn’t much PT left. Scola could be backup Center, not to mention someone they could draft or to bring back Boone for Vets Min.
And we haven’t even considered Yi or a shooting replacement for him.
There just wouldn’t be PT for Shaq, so he would be mostly a fan draw and a good guy in the locker room as well as a media draw.
+1
NI is right. You bring Shaq home, you’ve added 5,000 or more people in the seats
If Shaq wouldn't get PT, I doubt that. A winning team would sell tickets. LeBron would sell out place.
Not sure if LeBron would want Shaq.
Shaq would get more media hype.
Then he can forget about being a good citizen of New Jersey and playing in his hometown Newark
Shaq would make his money with commercials, anyway. But he needs to be on a team (preferably a high profile team like Proky’s Nets) to stay relevant.
Shaq could say he was playing for charity – for his hometown Newark.
Shaq either plays for a contender or “he is on a mission from God”.
I’m not sure which contender would take him. He would likely end up the same way as this year – without his 5th championship.
Miami
Boozer joins Wade and Shaq comes back for one more run at glory in the sunshine. He would do this for less money. Riley would come back down to the floor for one or two years with Boozer and Shaq on board. Might even be some creative sign and trades that get Beasly to Cleveland.
I think his divorce is final so no wife issues and close to the kids….plus he and Wade can re-bond over ex-wife bitch sessions.
We need leadership in the lockerroom
both from our vets and HC, so our kids have the right guidance and can develop properly. Bring Shaq and AJ, they’ help a kid like Cousins a lot.
If Cousins can get down to 280 in next few weeks, then I think he would have proven himself. I wonder if someone gave him that ultimatim.
You would think his agent is doing his job. Yet I have yet to see a well made highlight film from the end of season, when Cousins was the most dominant player in college (along with Turner).
If he can accomplish that conditioning/diet feat, then Cousins would be more attractive to Phila., Nets as well as Minny and Sac.
He is already the preferred choice of Detroit. That would give Nets more options.
According to Dave D
DC told Rod he will go down to 280, Idk if he was referring by the time he works our for the Nets?
Is date set for that work out?
I just heard a bunch of dates for a bunch of players.
Cousins was saying during Combine, that he is up at 8 AM and works out until 4 PM, then goes home to sleep.
If he wants to lose weight he should be more active and sleep less.
Why did he wait until now to get in shape...
The guy is a big risk and the Nets cannot afford to blow the #3 pick.
Favors will be a solid starter even if he never becomes an offensive force.
To late to lose weight now
I do not doubt that Cousins could get under 280. But at this point who cares. If he has not done it by now when it mattered for his game and to show is commitment, who cares that he does it when he thinks it will hit his wallet. To little to late to be believed.
Cousins is what he is. A big, high basketball IQ, non-explosive, unreliable, immature basketball player. Are the first two important enough to ignore the last three?
Thorn told Kerber he was impressed with Cousins after their meeting in Chicago.
Chad Ford on Cousins:
He actually had a pretty good week in Chicago. A number of NBA GMs told me that based on Cousins’ body of work, interviews and his measurements, they believe Cousins has as much talent as anyone in the draft, including John Wall.
Cousins has been compared to everyone from Shaq to Zach Randolph, but here’s an interesting historical comparison to ponder — could he be the next Moses Malone?
"He’s huge, he scores around the basket, he’s a terrific rebounder and he plays with a chip on his shoulder," one GM said. "How many 20-10 centers come along? Not very many. As far as a talent goes, he could be incredible in the NBA. The league has gotten smaller and quicker. Cousins would kill most of the big guys in our league today."
Cousins also fared well in the measurement category, comparing favorably in size to NBA centers. He measured a legit 6-foot-11 with a tremendous 7-foot-6 wingspan and 9-foot-5 standing reach. Those numbers put him on par with the likes of Dwight Howard, Greg Oden and Brook Lopez. His interviews weren’t nearly as bad as everyone made them out to be, either.
I think Cousins is a top five pick
I am not in any way saying Cousins is not worthy of a top five pick in a good draft. I am saying he is clearly behind Wall, Turner and Favors in my opinion. And it is because I do not believe he has the discipline to be a true professional – almost no one gets by on physical talent alone in the NBA – you need your head on straight and you need to act like a professional (ask uber talented TWILL). Maybe you get that with the 23 year old Cousins, but I do not believe you get it with the 19 year old Cousins.
And….we have a 20-10 center.
Cousins is by no means clearly behind Favors. He is the better player right now, and it’s not even close. He is just 19 years old and “immature” (surprise! he’s 19!), yet he was one of the most efficient players in college in the last 20 years while playing on one of the best teams in the country.
as for the “discipline”, Newark2Brooklyn (Devin Kharpertian) made great points here, look the comments:
http://netsarescorching.com/2010/05/26/devins-netsarescorching-mock-draft-2-0/#comments
No expert has Cousins before Favors...
That tells you something. Chad, who you quoted, even thinks Favors goes #2 and Cousins #5.
And don’t compare Cousins to KMart who could jump and play defense.
I am starting to think you like the Cousins guy....
Cousins may not be undisciplined for a 19 year old who aspires to be head bagger at the Lexington, Kentucky Piggly Wiggly. Cousins is undisciplined for a top 3 NBA pick who for a franchise that aspires to dynasty level.
Nit pick the comments all you want, the evidence shows the guy is immature and undisciplined……period. We can all choose to take this as a serious issue or a “so what”. I choose the former.
Like an NBA exec told Yahoo, this issue is way overblown, I’m not saying he’s a saint, but media and fans love to label some players as this or that, then it just doesn’t stop. Fact is, his haters have been waiting for him to screw up, and he didn’t.
I am not a Cousins hater
He is a top five pick in a loaded draft. He goes to the Kings and he becomes ROY – on a 35 win team. I just do not think he gets past Wall, Turner and Favors as “best player available”.
As for screwing up, he started by hiring a new to the NBA agent (I think NI reported this some time ago). Maybe a more experienced agent would have told him what was important and what was not. OK he did not eat any children – but that is not important. He did not get in “phenomenal shape” for the combine – that was important. He is not a bad man. He is a very good basketball player. He is undisciplined. I take him at #4. I love him at #5. I have better options at #3.
I have better options at #3.
Really?
Assuming Turner goes #2, there aren’t. Seriously. Favors has become so overrated it’s not even funny anymore. He did nothing to be considered a better prospect than Cousins.
Look, I know Cousins would be a risky pick, but it’s not like Favors wouldn’t be a risky choice either. He is very raw and doesn’t possess the skills Cousins has. Favors is the typical raw athletic freak GMs fall in love with. You can’t overlook ACTUAL talent. Favors lacks it. He is not Jason Collins, I’m not saying that, I think he’ll look OK if he’s ever paired next to a premier pass 1st PG who can get him easy looks, bc he’s a tremendous finisher, but that’s about it, Cousins is going to be a TRUE go-to scorer. And he’s just 19, and he’s immature, whatever, despite all that he already is a heck of an efficient player. He can get really good once he grows both off and on the court.
Favors has done enough
He is not a no resume guy with great measurables. There are plenty of examples of jump thru the roof but never got on the floor in college players who were over hyped and crashed – this is not Favors.
Favors is a very accomplished 18 year old player. His coach has sent a few all-stars to the NBA and says he is as ready as any of them.
And… we do not need a poor defending “go-to scorer” parked in the low post. I want a fast tempo move the ball utilize Lopez in the post and get in your face aggressive defensive team. Favors fits perfectly as the #4 or #5 scoring option, big time rebounding, active help defending, run the floor like a deer guy. The best player available at #3 without a doubt and a nice fit which is a bonus.
“parked” in the low post? Cousins can operate in the high post too. Actually, he has better tools to play facing the basket than Favors. Ball handling skills, ability to put the ball on the floor, better mid range jumper…
Favors is far from being the “best player available at #3 without a doubt”. Come on now. Give me a freaking break already.
Cousins can't block any shots...
Or run the floor, or make those plays, a Kenyon Martin Amare Staudamire guys with superior athleticism can make…I like Cousins just not with this team next to Lopez, if Cousins was like a David Robinson next to Duncun or Vice Versa who also block shots maybe.
He can according to you
according to pretty much everyone else in the world, including paid NBA scouts, he can’t.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Cousins averaged 1.8 bpg in 23mpg, just 0.3 blocks less than Favors, in less PT.
As for his ability to run the floor, check this out and lead the break handling the ball, here’s some proof:
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/5/26/1488250/can-you-center-do-this
I think I'd prefer the opinion of scouts
over 1 highlight. And averaging 1.8 blocks per game against undersized SEC front courts just isn’t that impressive. Plus blocks don’t automatically translate against more skilled athletic NBA players explosion and timing and leaping becomes about 10x more important. It’s easy to block shocks when you’re by far the biggest guy on the court facing much smaller competition. Which is why scouts exist or else everyone could just watch highlight reels.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Ummmm that does not pass the eye test
Now he’s a athletic physical specimen, who just happens to have a body fat problem.
Exactly Favors fits us better, especially next to Brook.
There will be no space to operate with Cousins and Lopez out there.
ESPN's Andy Katz stayed with Cousins with the 1 1/2 weeks prior to the Combine.
Katz says that Cousins IS in much better shape compared to the end of the season. He DID work very hard and Katz was there with him. It is quite possible that he put on muscle.
Apparently Cousins was much heavier while playing with KY, than people were led to believe. Maybe his body fat was 20% at end of year.
Yes, if Cousins can lose another 12 lbs. by the time he works out with Nets, and shows that he can still perform, absolutely it proves something and it SHOULD make him the talk of the Draft – which he already was last week.
Thorn said if he lost weight, he would be EVEN quicker.
Conversely, if he can’t lose the weight, it would probably hurt his chances, for lack of discipline under pressure.
Workout and interview will be key for Cousins
If he can prove those concerns are overblown, I think he’s gonna be our pick, bc no one questions his talent. Thorn hinted he thinks he’s the most talented player in this draft not named John Wall.
People keep talking about his body fat, and this and that, but Thorn and other GMs were impressed with him in Chicago, Ford says several NBA GMs think he’s as talented as anyone in this draft, including Wall, based on his body of work, interviews and measurements.
Exactly...
That doesn’t show he’s gonna take the weight off and keep it off. I could see him losing the weight for a little while then falling back out of shape like Marcus Williams, Sean May, or Eddy Curry.
by JohnFromLongIsland on May 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How many big men in NBA history
actually weigh less during their NBA career than they did in college? Not too many. Most players look like sticks in college compared to what they looked like once they got into the league and got that man weight that every man gets. Cousins is only 19 and already struggling with weight. I can see him now during the offseason gaining weight and trying to get it off before the season. Carrying too much wieght also brings injuries. He has to show he is more dedicated than he has been and a 3 week 8 hr a day workout regimen still won’t impress me. He needs a dietician and a personal trainer year round.
agreed
I offer him a contract.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
With the current assumption that Nets take Favors, I wonder who would be best to go after first in Free Agency?
Thorn has to be decisive.
We know Proky wants LeBron, but Nets would have to be more competitive first. LeBron would take several weeks of wining and dining before he decides.
Would Thorn try to get RGay during first week? That would be best chance I think, as no one else would have a front loaded offer. But then where would LeBron play – SG?
Scenarios are much more bleak than if Nets could get Turner, then get DLee. Much more bleak. That is why it would make more sense to make offers to Phila. for #2 pick. Nets are only team that can make offers for #2 and guarantee Phila. the #3 pick.
For me its plain and simple.
If the Nets take Favors they should go for Gay — maybe have to overspend a little to pry him away from the Grizz, but the most Gay can get is 14. Then go after Tyrus Thomas, Rashad McCants or Morrow (although I don’t think the Warriors will let him get away), a backup center if they aren’t content with Boone.
That’s what I would like to see assuming the Nets can’t lure LeBron.
If the Nets draft Favors, I don’t see any reason to go after Thomas. But if they nab Cousins, then TT would make sense, bc we’d need a mobile interior defender.
I like your plan...
If we get Favors, then we need LBJ or Gay. The problem with Gay is that it keeps us out of the market for a week.
No, Nets might still have enough to go after a Max FA while making an offer for Gay.
I think if Nets were aggressive with fear of front ended offer, Memphis would get worried and agree to a S&T and get something in return (not Harris). Trading CDR would save a net of only $380,000 in Cap Space, but Griz like CDR.
NI needs to redo cap space estimates, with consideration of bonuses to be paid later. There is still chance of making deal with Hump to reduce his cap space for 2010, by a reasonable extension to his contract. Could easily be over 29 million.
I’m not sure what say Gay has in the matter if Memphis and Nets are agreeable? I assume offer would be at least 60 million for 5 years, but a 6 year S&T could still be not much more than 10 million in first year.
And also, noone has addressed the issue of LeBron, if Nets got RGay? Would LeBron come to a team with RGay already as the SF?
We only make Gay a quick offer if we still have max money...
We also need to first find out if LBJ is interested.
Define Max Money? Is it just under $17 million? That shouldn't be a problem. The figure isn't available yet, but I assume it would be under $17 million.
And does the fact that Gay plays SF of any concern if Proky is going after LeBron?
My feeling is that LeBron thinks so highly of himself, that he just wants talented players on his team and thinks he can fit himself in at any position.
Yeah I think a lot of teams fear us and Proky now.
If they know where hunting for somebody there going to get nervous i could see Memphis blink fairly quickly.
Trade the pick, Devin Harris, and cash (BUT NOT Courtney Lee UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES) to Philadelphia for Evan Turner and then trade Chris Douglas-Roberts to Memphis for one of their picks.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Also wouldn’t be opposed to bringing in Outlaw if the Nets can’t snag McCants.
Anybody have suggestions for a good backup center other than Boone? (assuming they don’t pick one up with their later picks)
snag McCants....
I think a third string water boy brings more value. “Snag” an end of the bench scrub. You can buy the last pick of the second round for a donut and get a player with as much potential as McCants.
I like McCants....
Good shooter, has some size and plays above-average defense. I wouldn’t be opposed to McCants if we can’t get Outlaw.
McCants if we can't get Outlaw???
High expectations for the Proky era, eh?
by JohnFromLongIsland on May 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well..
Gay, TT, Morrow, Stevenson, Bledsoe, Favors. That’s not good enough for you? Sheeeeet, I’ll take that. Unless, you still think LeBron is a realistic possiblity for the Nets.
Cap space well spent.
That’s a D-League line up… Add Brook and it’s a GOOD D-League line up. We’ll be in the bottom 4 in the league for years.
by JohnFromLongIsland on May 27, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Respectfully disagree.
So what do you suggest? Other than waiting for Melo next year because I was going off the assumption that we were talking about this off-season.
what about the latter 2 picks
im not that concerned too much with the third pick anymore, because we get great picks whether we pick turner, favors, or cousins.
i am more concerned with the latter two picks. we still need a backup PG as dooling’s hip is busted. is chris quinn still aboard?
Twill playing the backup point may be an option, but then we have a hole at SF since hayes, hassel, and simmons are gone. i still think CDR is too small for SF.
Not to mention what if Harris gets injured again… ugh. we need a young Jkidd. haha. sorry, daydreaming for a while there.
I like Devin Ebanks as a big SF with our Mav pick
Harris/TWill
Lee/CDR
TWill/Ebanks
We could also add a back up for Devin in free agency, preferably someone who’s a good shooter. I like Nate Robinson, I’d want us to re-sign KD, but I don’t think that’s happening.
nevermind, got it here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7vLW94NFmw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2MvQSOrNx4&NR=1
nice dunk there… but is it just me or he really has an awkward J?
Like the Daily News’ Garcia said, the Nets should considered themselves lucky if Cousins were there at #3
Cousins has been one of the most efficient players in college bbal in the last 20 years. He’s showed he’s worthy of a #3 pick, even higher. Favors has done nothing (NOTHING) to be considered a pick that high, no matter how you slice it… yeah, yeah, I know… the guards… hahahahaha
Okay
I concede. You win. But, if you don’t mind me asking — why are you so high on Cousins, are you a Kentucky alum or do you honestly just believe that he will be a much better pro than Favors?
Also, how will Cousins and Lopez play together? Just help out us simple-minded people who can’t grasp the idea of the two playing together.
Thanks in advance.
I've already answered those questions numerous times
Sorry, I don’t want to repeat myself and sound like a broken record… oops, it may be too late! ;D
Its just as much that Favors is a Project.
Where is the great footage of him doing anything in college more that a Tyrus Thomas can do?
For the #3 pick, I expect something better than TT without an attitude problem.
Yes, I know there is High School footage of him dunking behind his back without anyone defending him or dunking over 6 foot opponents.
From watching GT games, I didn’t see an potential dominant NBA player. Everyone is making excuses about not having good teammates. Or that he is only 18. Cousins is only 19, but it seems that Favors gets the age benefit, not Cousins.
However, I saw Lawal being the better player. I would rather skip Favors and take Lawal with the #31 pick, where he might end up.
We just should be getting something more certain with the #3 pick.
There WILL be a bust in the top 5 picks. I don’t see it with Turner or Wall, nor Cousins if he gets in better shape without injures. And I see Wes Johnson being a decent starter level SF. That leaves Favors as the probably Bust.
Sweetney, May and Corliss Williamson were also very efficient...
Fat is as fat does.
Sean May is the better example for your case.
However, Sean is a smaller version of Cousins and was never thought to have as much potential as Cousins. He had knee problems. All big men are at risk.
If May was as big and talented as Cousins, he might have had more of a future, as Nets were interested in May for a while.
But look at Big Baby, who appears not to have gained fat (maybe muscle from working out). Big Baby is a shorter version of what to expect in Cousins. Cousins isn’t as fat as Big Baby, and if this dieting thing catches on, there is still a chance he could continue losing weight.
There is lots of risk with Favors not panning out. Everyone admits he is a project. There is risk both ways. At least we know Cousins is talented and Dominant. It is easier to lose weight than to develop talent.
If people are willing to wait 2 years for Favors to amount to something, they should be able to wait 2 years for Cousins to mature. It took TWill 3 months.
Bottom line is that Thorn would “pounce” on Turner if he became available. Thorn could help that cause.
Jerry
How many big centers are smaller in the NBA than they were in college? He’s only 19 and hasn’t even matured yet. He has more weight to put on.
They tend to put on Muscle. They put on Bulk if the coaching staff feel it is necessary.
It depends a lot on their coaching people. Big Baby seems to be doing alright with a good coaching staff.
I would rather take a chance with conditioning than with questionable talent (Favors).
How Cousins does these next few weeks should be considered heavily.
Ideally, I would like Phila. to be impressed and take Cousins, so that Turner would fall, without having to give up something.
There is NO WAY Thorn would take Favors over Turner.
And Cousins would give Phila. more options than would Favors.
@jerry
There’s a reason why Cousins will go #3-4, and May was selected with the 12th pick or so.
OTOH, teams don’t seen to have learned their lesson with raw, unproven athletic freaks, and seem to be willing to overlook real talent. Chandler, Swift, Thomas, they weren’t worth the picks they were taken with.
+1
I’m not on the Cousins bandwagon like you are good sir, but this is a solid statement about “raw” athletic bigs.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is Favors isn't as raw as any of them
THomas and swift for one were sf/pf types, not pf/c so there’s really not much of a comparison there. Plus their biggest problems have been off-court and lack of work ethic, which compares more to Cousins than Favors.
Not to mention Thomas only went high because 1. it was a horrible draft class, 2. a bunch of tournament hype, he really wasn’t even much of a rebounder in college it was just a sorry class and they needed someone to hype up.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
The thing is Favors isn’t as raw as any of them
Oh, sure he is.
Thomas actually put similar if not better numbers in college than Favors before he entered the league.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/players/37923
Yes, Favors is not a headcase, but even if he wasn’t a headcase, TT wouldn’t have been that good of player nor worth a pick that high. You can’t get carried away by athleticism and overlook actual talent.
Based on what if Thomas wasn't a head case he wouldn't have been a
good player? I don’t think he would have been good enough to be worth the high pick investment in an average draft class but that draft class was well below average. Thomas has shown plenty of reasons to think he would have been a solid pick if he had any work ethic and wasn’t a hot head and would listen to his coaches. Hence why teams keep picking him up.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
The thing about it is:
Ok, we all agree that Cousins is superior to Favors in terms of offensive production and talent, no one is arguing that. But, the risk with Cousins is far greater than that of Favors (IMO) and he just doesn’t fit with the team, so deductive reasoning would lead us to conclude that Favors is the pick for this team.
If Favors pans out you have a top-5 PF with great hands, athleticism, the ability to finish inside and play great defense (both weakside and man). If he doesn’t pan out you end up with a servicable starter, similar to TT, one that can rebound, play defense, finish with his athleticism and be a pick-n-roll player.
If Cousins pans out you might have a top 3 center with great hands, great footwork, great offensive efficiency and production, an above-average mid-range game, a great rebounder and an intimidator down-low. If he doesn’t pan out, he could be out of the league within 5 years because of weight problems and lack of discipline.
It just makes so much more sense for the Nets to draft Favors to me, but obviously we can agree to disagree.
Yes, I tihnk we'll have we agree to disagree
I don’t think Favors will be a top 5 PF in the game… defensively, yeah. Overall, not even close, IMO.
I already listed several reason why I think Cousins could be a nice fit here. Offensive talent, rebounding, toughness. We need that. Cousins game would complement Brook better on O bc he’s better suited to play facing the basket and his interior game would create better opportunities for our perimeter guys. He has a igh BB IQ and is a better passer. IMO, Favors is not very good at reading those situations.
Also, if we had a pass 1st PG like JKidd, then I could agree he would be a good fit on O, but we have a scoring PG in palce so I don’t see how Favors would be that great of a fit here. Even tho he’s poor at creating his won shot he will look OK on O if he has a pg who creates for him. Again, it’s not the same to have a pg who gets you the ball (you’d still have to create your own shots) and having a pg who gets you easy looks. I don’t necessarily think Favors is going to be a bust, he looks like he has a hard time making strides, and it takes him some time despite being a hard worker. You can’t overlook actual talent. Not sayin’ he is going to be the next Swat or TT or Stro, but I think he lacks the talent and skill to become the player some here think he could be .IMO, there is no way Cousins is out of the league in 5 years, even if he doesn’t pan out. Sure, he would be a risky pick, but Favors isn’t a sure thing either, based on talent and skill set, Favors has high bust potential. His game needs MAJOR work to make him worth the 3rd or even the 4th pick.
It also took the Knicks getting rid of Nate Robinson.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 27, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oliver Miller
Is another player the could be compared to Cousins. Miller had a lot talent but had a poor attitude, and weight problems
But Cousins doesn't have a poor attitude. That is a false rumor.
Cousins has an attitude like a young KMart. He is a winner. He finishes at the rim. He rebounds everything around the basket. Just what the Nets need.
Would Nets fans not like to have a young Kmart again.
Cousins has a questionable conditioning problem, but he already is in his best shape this past year, according to Andy Katz of ESPN. Lets see if he get into EVEN BETTER shape in next 3 weeks and then decide!
Both Cousins and BLopez would have some problems covering some spread 4s on defense, but not as bad as people think.
None of them could cover Cousins and BLopez on offense.
I love to have a young k-mart
which is why would should get Favors.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Check again. Nets insiders say that Favors is so raw that he wouldn't be able to be a starter for maybe 1 1/2 years.
That doesn’t sound like KMart to me?
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/05/nj_nets_when_favors_does_them.html
I predict that Favors will drop to #6 or #7, where Projects belong.
Young K-mart
I would love to have a K-mart type player, but remember that young K-mart lead the league in flagrant fouls for a while. His emotions go the better of him (due to lack of mature). When it comes down to it are better options available. Favors though raw has huge upside Johnson and Turner(if available) are more polioshed players and can contribute immediately to the Nets. None of the players have the character question marks that surround Cousins whether true or not.
Anybody remember Dinner Bell Mel Turpin
Sound familiar?
A 6’11" center, Turpin attended the University of Kentucky for four seasons before being drafted as the sixth overall pick in the first round by the Washington Bullets in the 1984 NBA Draft, and immediately traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
He was a dominant center in college, scoring 42 points against Tennessee as a junior by making 18 of 22 shots from the field. He similarly dominated LSU as a senior, shooting 15 of 17 from the floor and five of six from the foul line.1 As a professional, however, Turpin struggled with his weight, and after five seasons with the Cavaliers, Utah Jazz and the Bullets, he retired. Earning the derisive nicknames “Dinner Bell Mel” and “The Mealman”, Turpin would be considered one of the biggest busts in a draft class that included future greats such as Hakeem Olajuwon, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, and John Stockton.
Really good comparison Turpin
Another one I thought of the other day was Oliver Miller, “The Big O”, out of Alabama. Drafted a little lower and a bit smaller, but known for his heft and his passing skills. I really liked him when he came out, but he taught me a thing or two about body type.
by kv on May 27, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah so the surprise is Lawrence Frank is coming back
Damn I miss that guy, yelling out the other teams plays smh lol
Ahh yes the genius coach
Knew what play was coming and STILL couldn’t defend it. I’ll miss all the clapping when we were down by 20.
by JohnFromLongIsland on May 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This killed me
….i mean, i’ve lightened up on Lawrence since he left, but how retarded is it that the coach and team knew what plays were being run and the defense was atrocious?
Great preparation, horrible execution from both the coach and players.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If LF came back it would be as an assistant.
That wouldn’t need to be decided until later in June.
LF could be offered 4 million as assistant with option to leave anytime after 1st year.
I think that...
…we need to have the highest paid coaching staff in the league.
If you aren’t going balls to the wall, you aren’t going anywhere
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Great comment
“Derrick Favors measured exceptionally well at a legit 6’10 with a 7’4 wingspan. At 245 lbs with just 6.5 % body fat speaks to his work ethic in relation to DeMarcus Cousins.”
I like Favors bc he plays above the rim
If his strength is comparable to Cousins then he’s a no brainer imo. Do they measure strength at the combine? If Cousins has the talent on offense and Favors has it on D then you have to go with the better defensive player. However, if Cousins has a major advantage strength wise over Favors then that advantage could trump Favors ability to play above the rim. Although I currently prefer Favors, Cousins reminds me of Rasheed without the weight issue and I would be happy with either.
I'm worried about...
….Cousins not taking care of himself during the summer. If this dude came into the combine as a fat slob, it doesn’t make a difference that he will lose weight before the draft or before a workout with the Nets.
Weight issues, in my opinion, scream a lack of discipline. Sure, soem guys are just genetically made to be the size of a frickin’ house. That’s no problem. The problem is when that person doesn’t appear to be motivated enough to keep himself in shape.
I’m praying to the universe for Evan Turner to drop to three. I like the positive aspects of both Favors and Cousins but I don’t trust either player.
I don’t trust Rod Thorn, for that matter either. Talking down Turner, and talking up Cousins while clearly ignoring the weight and maturity issues, is alarming. Either he is blowing smoke, or as Gina and others have pointed out, he’s a clueless idiot when it comes to the draft.
We just got finished dealing with a short, fat bastard that likes to steal laptops and couldn’t be bothered to care about his job, and another one who was immature, caught a felony, and couldn’t be bothered to work hard on his game. I’m not worried about Favors acting like a fool like Thorn’s previous picks prior to Kiki guiding his hand, but I’m worried about him(Favors) being rawer than people are letting on, and I’m not worried about Cousins knocking someone out, I’m worried about him receiving all of that money and then eating himself out of the league. Picking between these two is like a game of Russian Roulette.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Didn't you hear?
Cousins came into Combine in GREAT SHAPE for himself (compared to end of season).
Andy Katz of ESPN was his witness. Cousins impressed everyone at Combine.
His name was the most talked about as a positive surprise to look out for.
Lets wait and see if he is even better in next few weeks.
like you said
great shape for himself compared to the end of the season.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
That's great...
….I’m glad he wants to impress his potential employers, but what about if we do draft this kid, and he can’t keep the weight off or down to a level that is respectable?
I mean, honestly, they would have to have this kid living with a professional dietician and put some kind of clause in his contract where he can’t come into training camp at a certain weight…if that’s even allowed
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if the first is allowed, but the second DEFINITELY IS.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 27, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Also...
….as someone, I think Andres, pointed out, people keep saying that Favors didn’t have good guard play in college.
Barring a miracle from god that Terrence Williams shows up in training camp ready and capable to play full time point guard(or forward, whatever), Favors isn’t going to get great passing play from here either, not with Devin Harris stinking up the goddamned gym every other night. When your starting PG is not even the best passer on the team, and you’re bringing in a big that will rely on solid passing to be effective since he’s a high post guy, it’s cause for a bit of concern.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Favors will bring rebouding and defense...
He will be the ast option on offense.
by rundmc00 on May 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Favors will bring rebouding and defense...
He will be the last option on offense.
by rundmc00 on May 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there's also the fact
that t-will and harris are still superior to the guard play from gt.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Yes there is cause for concern any way you look at it.
If only Nets had the #2 pick, everything would be different.
Devin was 10th in the league in assists on a team that couldn't shoot
and BLo didn’t seem to have a problem with his passing. Devin finished ahead of point guards like Rose, Tyreke Evans, Brandon Jennings and Tony Parker. I’m not saying he’s the best point guard but I don’t know where you think you’re getting a better one from.
I think the real question here is
why is anyone even asking Jarvis Hayes his opinion?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
or...
…why Jarvis Hayes is even being discussed, period. Nice guy, but we have bigger fish to fry
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of people with opinions, one of your favorites
Sean May: I don’t get how Brandon Bass didn’t play all year. Twitter.com
by kv on May 27, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins
Question to ask is can Favors get them to the finals or just the 1st round of the playoffs? For all of Cousin’s negatives, he has that potential.
We don't know that about any player I mean Cousins couldn't take his team with Wall to the Final 4
We already know Favors is a two way player who blocks shots, Cousins is and cannot.
Cousins more an offensive threat
which demands teams to respect and should benefit Brook.
Brook needs a lot more help on the defensive end than the offensive end...
Cousins is fat and can’t jump. He will get mauled on defense at the PF position.
If you draft Cousins…not only is it a risk but you would have to be prepared to trade either he or Brook at some point.
Shouldn’t cost too much to move up 1 spot.
Portland moved up 2 spots (4 to 2) for TThomas and only gave up a 2nd and Victor K.
Foye was traded straight up for BRoy (7 for 6)
You have to think about the 500k you save by getting a \rd pick over a 2nd.
I'm starting to think that Mr. Wall is becoming an albatross
around the necks of the Wizards, Turner,Favors, and Cousins are all looking pretty good right now. Honestly I would take Favors out of all of them for this team right now with Turner 1B
Really?
there’s no way I would take Turner over Wall at this point. I don’t see how he’s an albatross at all. It may seem like that because we’re seeing so much more stuff written about these other guys strengths now but that’s only because there’s no reason to write about Wall when there’s virtually no doubt he should go #1.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I just think that even if they feel another player might turn out better they have no choice but to go with Wall.
If they don’t pick him there going to be a laughing stock or whatever even more than they are now. I don’t think Wall is 6’4 either although I do think he will be a great player how great I don’t know. I think it was best for our team to keep Devin and build around.
I have a feeling when we play the Wizards
Devin is dropping 30, I have a feeling he is tired of everybody passing him over.
I wish Devin....
….would grow tired of everyone blowing by him on defense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris needs to learn how to keep other point guards from blowing by him in the first place, and that is where Mike Brown or Avery Johnson would come in handy.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 27, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right about Wall. Agent Zero will hold Wall back. He needs to hog the ball and won't be easy to trade.
I hope the Knicks are left to take him, after flunking in free agency.
I will be laughing a Wiz next year but fearing Philadelphia.
Besides, Wall needs a year to learn the NBA and not make so many mistakes.
Turner might have been a better fit. He would at least take over the Wiz as their SG.
The talent falls over a cliff after Turner, other than a well conditioned Cousins.
Turner could be traded if another team would relieve their cap space, especially taking Brand.
Phila would take Cousins (possibly Favors) if Nets would take Brand’s 51 million remaining on his contract.
So that will NOT happen.
I don’t think Phila would swap picks if Nets offered CLee, but so far I haven’t heard Nets fans think that was reasonable either.
Turner will be a borderline Superstar. It is always worth giving a mediocre and starter for a Superstar, rather than get a Project who may become a decent starter (Favors).
A well conditioned disciplined Cousins does not exist...
Think Sean May, Curry and Sweetney.
Philly has to be willing to do it
if they want Turner why would they?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I can't waite until we Draft Favors
We can get back to running again, and have the athleticism back like we had with Kenyon Maritn. We were to soft undersized and unathletic at the PF position for to long.
just because you said that
we’re going to draft aminu and play him at power forward. or greg monroe.
that’s bro.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Nooo Thank you lol
I have a feeling Thorn and Proky are hiding something, just don’t know what it is. I can see the alley opps now T-Will to Favors.
Let us pray that Thorn does not screw up this draft...
Take Favors plus 1 out of the 2 lower picks needs to be a decent player.
yeah i've already given up hope on the 2nd two picks being any good
with thorn if he hits on the first pick I’m just going to give him an A. Can’t ask too much.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Yeah the good thing about Proky
I believe we will have the finances to better survey the entire field also not have to have inter-squad teams with the sixers like last year smh that was so sad lol.
Its interesting that towards the end of the season even with last years squad we were
Playing with and beating teams like the Spurs, I really don’t think we are that far away, I think playoffs will happen, no more getting beat by the Pacers, I’m tired of Dahntay Jones face smh.
to me I think you have to curb your optimism some
because it’s not likely every young player is going to play that entire way this year just because they finished the season strong. Courtney Lee finished the 08-09 season insanely strong and then struggled to adjust for about 3 months here, and since we’ll be bringing in a new coaching staff, and new players there’s going to be a pretty serious adjustment period for everyone and I imagine that’s the kind of thing that can cause young players, like T-will, Lopez, Lee, CDR, and maybe Harris to some extent depending on what kind of offense is installed, to regress as they try to readjustment and find the niche, and as the league adjusts to them. I highly doubt we’re going to see the T-will we saw the last month right off the bat next season.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
there's also the fact a lot of teams weren't exactly bringing their A game against us
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Like i said before to my friend its
1.Knicks 2.Nets 3.Cavs
no bulls no heat and no clippers and ill be shocked if he goes to any of those places
right now i think we got a like 40% chance but if we add turner i think it goes higher and we can leap frog the knicks IMO
why do you think the knicks are first?
there doesn’t seem to be any non knicks fans/ny sports writer who actually thinks that.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
And what...
…makes you believe that the Knicks are first?
The Knicks have no core in place, and no room for improvement over the next few years because they gave away their draft picks.
Sick and tired of people acting like the Knicks are so attractive when they have the least amount of tools and assets at hand to build a contender.
If Lebron goes there, I’ll enjoy watching the Nets running him and whatever other FA they overpay for off of the floor with our complete squad in about two years. He’d be an absolute fool to choose the Knicks over us.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is where i think he will end up:
Clippers
Nets
Heat
and its not even close.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 27, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
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