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New York Used Barclays Center To Help Lure 2014 Super Bowl

Barclays Center is scheduled to open in October 2012.  That's 13 months before Super Bowl XLVIII is played across the Hudson in the Meadowlands and New York State's economic development czar said yesterday the city has big plans for the Nets' new home that weekend. 

State economic development chief Peter Davidson told The Post that the under-construction Brooklyn arena will be added to the list of venues hosting Super Bowl-week gala events, including the Javits Center and the James A. Farley Post Office. The availability of a large venue for Super Bowl events was part of the package needed to lure the event. Madison Square Garden, whose owners fought the idea of a Jets Stadium on Manhattan's West Side, will not be included.

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Media day @ the Barclays Center?

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m just glad they gave us the 4 years it’s gonna take to save up for super bowl tickets. And hopefully, they can sneak Mini Sly into the half time show… Possibly doing a Russian dance.

by JohnFromLongIsland on May 26, 2010 8:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Isaac...

I can’t believe that they didn’t choose The Rock!

by rundmc00 on May 26, 2010 8:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Whoops...

The Dolan’s screwed pooch on this one.

by R-D on May 26, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

So...

…anyone out there still think that Barclay is not happening? Anyone?…Bueller?…

Go Nets!

by BrooNets on May 26, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup

Still won’t happen.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Morhp!

Why won’t it?

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

You bum!

You spelled my name wrong. What if I called you PetLogic? :-)

by Morph on May 26, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh how tragic

PetLogic, i dig it!

But seriously, why wont Barclays happen?

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't even know where to begin...

but after 12 years of fits and starts and bad plans, I’ve learned to be (justifiably) skeptical of anything regarding a new arena for the Nets, especially at that site in BK. There’s so much ground to cover, but the primary reason I know Barclays will never be built at AY is the mere existence of the Prudential Center. Once it was built and operational, Barclays’ raison d’etat was eliminated. There are MANY other reasons to cite, but this summarizes things fairly succinctly. And I’m 100% confident it won’t be built to completion.

Also, I don’t trust anything released to the media by people involved in this project. There’s a a reason (outside of NIMBYs) that no arena exists there after 7 years.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once the project falls through

I will explain in great detail why this arena has no chance of ever being built to completion.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

We should grab a beer

To celebrate the Nets definite move to Brooklyn

Or on Opening Night, October 2012 we can have a drink @ the Barclays Center…

You are old enough to drink, right? Or is age not a restriciton in the MATRIX???

BTW – blue pills rock

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't resist a little jab at the end there, huh?

If they rename the Prudential Center after Barclays Bank, that may well be a possibility.

And we beileve whatever we want in the Matrix – happy now?

by Morph on May 26, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, it's too easy

Why would a bank based in NYC want to have a sponsorship for an arena in Newark, where I don;t believe they have an office….

I love that you are still in denail about this, but seriously, once construction really starts, steel in the ground etc, we should have a beer to celebrate!

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

have they broken ground yet?

if not what are they waiting for?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 26, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

They broke ground in March

There are bulldozers on the site every day doing digging, etc, all prep-work.

Demo has started on a few buildings as well.

No steel in the ground yet on the arena site though, unless I am misinformed.

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that's the key. That is the salient point.

There has been NO vertical construction yet. After 7 years. And they have to be there for the start of the 2012-’13 season. Not gonna happen, not in a million years.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing was happening until March...

Don’t bring up the past 7 years

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty happened before March, just no vertical construction.

And why can’t I talk about the past 7 years? Did I hit a sore spot or something?

by Morph on May 26, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

No sore spot at all

but it is obvious that 7 years of litigation would stop construction from starting

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is where we differ

IMO, litigation was not the sole reason this project was held up. It may have been one of the reasons, but if the powers-that-be put their full support behind this arena, the Nets would be playing there this season.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fact of the matter is

$200 million spent in litigation will stop construction from happening.

Support for the arena never went away, hence speakers @ groundbreaking

Now that litigation is behind us, bonds have been sold and released from escrow thigns will start to pick up FAST

Hello Proky, Hello Ratner, welcome…to the Barclays Center

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not salient at all

they couldnt do anything until Goldstein moved. His condo unit is roughly where the scoreboard will hang.

by Net Income on May 26, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barclays Center

My apt is a 10 minute walk from the site — it’s very apparent that the arena will be built.

by Delacratic on May 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah grond is broken and buildings are starting to be brought down.

I think if you pay anybody the right amount of money things always get built faster, thats where I guess Proky comes in.

by Atronic on May 26, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assure you I am not in denial. Not in the least. I write this post with supreme calm and confidence.

It’s probably why I’m able to joke back-and-forth with you. I truly am 100% confident in the outcome. I won’t even give myself wiggle room to say “on the off-chance that I’m wrong”, because I know I’m not.

Also, I thought Barclays was a British institution since the 1600s. They’re just expanding their US operations in this region.

And I’ll definitely meet for a beer. But you’re paying, no matter where we meet.
See, in the Matrix, money is a figment of our imagination…

by Morph on May 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha I'd be honored to buy a beer for Morph

The only NIMBY i like!

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sad to break the news to ya

but I’m not a NIMBY. I guess you could consider me a “Homer” (and not as in Simpson – beat ya to it). See I live near Newark.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's why you want us in Newark so badly

We may get to have that beer quicker than I thought
Pru Center Opening Night
Fire Lounge, on me (not as weird as it reads I promise)

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got the reference

My seat is right by the Fire Lounge.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, right

you know the secret that will screw it up.

Good. I am reminded of Nixon’s secret plan to end the Vietnam War.

by Net Income on May 26, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Morph we’re all dying to hear what will stop this project from happening

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

what does that mean?

it will stop itself…

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not viable. It never was.

The Russian has surely looked at the numbers and is going into this venture with his eyes wide open. He has to see there’s no way he’ll ever make money off the arena, and there’s no demand for the real estate at this point in time. That is important because the real estate portion of this project is the real money maker. Not the arena, as some would have us believe. The arena costs $1 billion, and likely higher. Most North American arena cost in the neighborhood of $175-$400 million. They rarely (if ever) go any higher. The reason is that the debt on these venues becomes such a burden that most of the revenue would go into paying off debt (w/ interest) and less is left to count as profit. Owners usually make most of their money off of sports teams when they sell to the highest bidder. Most teams don’t make very much money via operations (the Yankees being an exception, but then again, they’re the Yankees). New arena with amenities are one of the few ways owners can turn a modest profit between the time they purchase and the time they sell. So if I have the choice of playing in and/or owning a $400 million arena that is already completed – say the Prudential Center – or building a $1 billion arena that has yet to be constructed, which one would I opt for? I also think that’s why Proky is hinting at making the Nets a global team. That would provide new revenue sources for the team that are not currently available.

As for the real estate, given global and national economic concerns, there won’t be a demand for quite awhile. Keep in mind that this project was initially conceived during a time of excess and economic grrowth that was not “real”, for lack of a better term. Financing would have been supported by institutions that were heavy into financial gimmicks (credit-default swaps, derivatives, no money down mortgage loans for purchasers with little or no credit by locking buyers into variable interest rates, etc.). Those options are no longer available, and would financial institutions use them now with all of the anger at Wall Street? They’re crazy and sneaky, but not stupid. Also, I don’t have to remind you of the Financial Reform package being considered in Washington.

I’m not a finance guy, so I don’t have the lexicon to explain as they could. But I can look at Xanadu in the Meadowlands and see a project that is nearly completed, but likely will never open according to plan because of the poor planning and need to make money at any cost. It is a victim of the economic times and so is Barclays.

Ultimately, the death of this project will be blamed on something else (lack of political support, Ratner not pulling his weight, NIMBYs, etc.). The truth will be that it never had a chance in today’s world.

Honestly, I could go on, but that would put you to sleep and I’d end up losing my job. That is why I will write an extensive fanpost on this topic after it’s collapse to explain this in further detail, because the problems with this project are not limited to financing.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

but if all this is true

then why would Prokhy becoming owner of the nets have hinged on the tenets being cleared so construction could begin?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is where my conspiracy theorist mind comes in

which is why I’ll save the detailed explanation for another time.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

We wouldn't want you to get fired!

How could you then afford the second round?

Proky bought the Nets to move them to NY, not Newark. The agreement hinged on that partnership.

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I understood it...

Ratners group set that stipulation for when ratner put it his stake in the the nets for sale. what I’ve never understand is how you sell a team and not given the new owner the option to choose where he’s wants the team to play.
Prokhorov probably didn’t care where the team played

by R-D on May 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another question that immediately arises is

why did the arena have to be included in this project? Even on the near impossible chance that the arena could turn a small profit, it would always be the one part of the project that is prohibitively expensive and would have an extremely low return on investment relative to the remainder of AY. At the end of the day, the ends don’t justify the means.

What does Proky care if the arena is in Brooklyn or Newark? The point is that he just penetrated the NY Metro area, the largest and most diverse in the wealthiest nation in the world. He could have his team play in Newark and still build the real estate portion in BK if he chooses, although I expect the larger AY project would have to change locations in BK as well.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he likes hipsters

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 26, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Proky wants to build a GLOBAL franchise

What is global…Newark or New York?

Hmmm

Still love ya, Homer

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should specify Newark v. Brooklyn

‘cuz even Manhattanites look down at the Borough of Kings. Does it really matter? They’re both NY metro.

As long as people buy tickets, he could care less. As long as people are watching his team and buying their merchandise, he could have his team play at home in Siberia.

Talk to ya soon, my Pet (Logic).

by Morph on May 26, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it will happen

but I also don’t think a city using it as a basis to get another sporting event is supports one way or another whether it will happen. I don’t know if it’s the same for the superbowl but I know for other sporting events cities/countries have a habit of really “stretching” the truth and undertaking in extreme hyperbole.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 26, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for being the voice of reason on this topic.

Also, 4 years is a LONG time from now, and a lot can change between now and the Super Bowl.

by Morph on May 26, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

namely politics...

So much changes politically from the local, state, and federal level every four years. I live in Kentucky where over the last ten years they have been proposing to build a new bridge that will link Louisville to Southern Indiana. It still hasn’t been built. The time line changes with every new administration. I know it’s not the same comparison as the proposed new arena in Brooklyn, but politicians and their agendas are the same no matter what!

by aunt-B on May 26, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay, the Nets are going to the Super Bowl!

We just need to sign Victor Khryapa so he can keek some touchdowns.

by jabez on May 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Correction

The Jets are going to the Superbowl

by R-D on May 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

How so?

If you’re talking about an economic benefit, there’s never been a cost/benefit analysis for the state and city subsidies for the arena.

As for the Super Bowl thing overall, I expect to see all kinds of claims from NYC and/or NY State officials of how much the NY/NJ economy will benefit. I won’t expect to see anything that actually substantiates these claims.

by SteveFtGreene on May 26, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't fool him into thinkin

 he can post about the 2005 IBO report again

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on May 26, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can cause debt

If anyone has been reading about what Greece has been going through economically, part of it has to do with hosting the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens. Hosting a big event such as that can be very costly especially if their government cannot afford it. I highly doubt that major sporting events are good for a city. The main reason why NYC didn’t get the 2012 Summer Olympics was mainly because of the infrastructure in getting around, not because the stadium for the Jets wasn’t built as some like to claim it. Another thing about major sporting events is that they are not permanent, so when they are over, there is then the choice of either reusing what was used for that event or getting rid of it, though many cities to reuse buildings that were used durring world’s fairs such what is now in Flushing Meadows-Corona Park near the Mets over In Queens. Overall, it’s false to say that major sporting events can help an area when that’s been found to exaggerated.

by Tal Barzilai on May 26, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wishfull thinking

That article from the NY Post is nothing but wishfull thinking. First off, the arena hasn’t been built yet. Secondly, I doubt that there would even be that much space there to host football events considering the space and that arenas are half the capacity of a stadium. Also, these editors are not fortune tellers or psychics, because things can change as time goes by. The only thing right now that is set in stone at this point is the fact that the new stadium for the Jets and Giants will got the Superbowl in 2014 since it’s already completed right now. Besides, they can always use the Jacob K Javits or Meadowlands Convention Centers for other events. Overall, I don’t follow football that much, so I couldn’t care less where these are held.

by Tal Barzilai on May 26, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Telling it like it is

You can give me that “blah blah blah” thing all you want, but what I am calling it as I see it. One thing we know right now is that the new stadium for the Jets and Giants is already there, while the one for the Nets is not. That is not an opinion, that is a fact. I know some will claim that I am wrong and probably make personal attacks at me for saying this, but I don’t think that this arena will be built in the end. The fact that the cost has gone up so much makes it a boondoggle, and many will not want to fund it. There is still time for it not to happen even after what is being done right now. All that NY Post article mentions is nothing but assumptions from this point on. As long as it’s not built yet, it cannot be used for anything.

by Tal Barzilai on May 27, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go to the sight and then tell me what you think

Brooklyn is happening my friend. And Goldstein is rich. And your posts are way too long.

Three facts of life.

by rundmc00 on May 27, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since you brought that up

There will be a screening of a documentary involving the life and legacy of Freddy’s Bar and Backroom. They are scheduled to be be in two locations in Brooklyn on two different days as part of the Brooklyn Film Festival. The first one will be 6/9 over at the Brooklyn Heights Cinema over at 70 Henry Street, while the other will be on 6/11 at the IndieScreen over at 285 Kent Street. Click the link below for more information and to buy to tickets for one of the locations.

http://www.brooklynfilmfestival.org/films/detail.asp?fid=1079

by Tal Barzilai on May 27, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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