Favors Most Favored in Mock Drafts But Might Turner Fall to #3?
by Net Income on May 26, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
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PrintDrew Packham has been put in charge of the NBA.com consensus draft feature...12 mock drafts from across the internet. Not surprising, Derrick Favors is the consensus pick for the Nets, with 10 out of 12 mocks picking him. Only Inside Hoops disagreed as of Tuesday, projecting DeMarcus Cousins. Then, Wednesday, ESPN's Chad Ford changed his vote, believing the 76ers will ultimately see Favors as a better choice than Evan Turner...who would then fall to the Nets.
"The Nets want to turn this thing around quickly and Turner has the ability to step in and play from day one" wrote Ford. "He can play both the 2 and the 3, and can share time on the wing with Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams."
Although the NBA.com consensus doesn't go beyond the lottery, a look at the full mocks shows that two swingmen, West virginia's Devin Ebanks and UConn's Stanley Robinson, are the most favored, but only with three votes each.
Meanwhile, the Nets have released the names of the 12 players who will work out at the end of next week in East Rutherford.
June 4 – SG Dominique Jones (South Florida), SG Elijiah Millsap (UAB), PF Lance Thomas (Duke), PF Magnum Rolle (La. Tech), PF Larry Sanders (VCU), PF Tiny Gallon (Oklahoma)
June 8 – PG Mikhail Torrance (Alabama), PG Anthony Johnson (Montana), SF Quincy Pondexter (Washington), SF Darrington Hobson (New Mexico), PF Laurence Ekperigin (LeMoyne), C Art Parakhouski (Radford out of Belarus).
- 2010 NBA Draft: Consensus Mock Draft - Drew Packham - NBA.com
- NBA At 2: Formidable Front Line - Bill Ingram - HoopsWorld
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Twin Towers again?
Drafting a SF locks in the twin towers with Harris. This leaves Courtney Lee’s position the only option for upgrade through FA.
His size is legit!
My one worry about Favors was that he would be smaller than originally listed, but now since it has been confirmed that his size is legit, we have to go with this guy over Cousins!
This could be our Amare Stoudamire with better defense! Cousins is more polished offensively but that can be worked on by Favors and Cousins will not be able to play PF in the league.
This could be our Amare Stoudamire with better defense!
Stop kidding yourselves, Favors is not gonna be a player similar to Amare. Stat is too offensively talented to make such a comparison. They couldn’t be more different.
FAVORS is definitely the pick if he is available #3
For some reasons I keep seing Jason Collins every time I watch Cousins jump for a putback not that he is the same as Collins. He can’t get off the ground like any other bigs out there :)
by jasperjarrod on May 26, 2010 7:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What do you mean IF available?
The only way Phila. doesn’t take Turner, is if Nets make a great offer in return for swapping picks.
Taking Favors instead of Turner is like falling off a cliff.
Favors would be a project for 1st 2 years.
Then hope he becomes like Tyrus Thomas without an attitude problem, after that.
Nets fans are kidding themselves to think otherwise. Rod Thorn isn’t happy with his choices.
Turner is sure ROY and All Star in his second year. Just watch some of his highlight films – although they under represent his ability.
Thorn would Pounce on Turner if he was available. The question remains what would Thorn offer to swap picks.
I would say CLee for openers, since he wouldn’t get much PT with Turner as SG.
I doubt though that Phila. would agree to that.
to tell you the truth...I don't think he's gonna bother...
trying to swap picks. He’d rather just pick Favors with the 3 and gamble on getting a great defensive 4 for next to Brook rather than give up a great team player like Lee to grab Turner.
I think if Turner’s off the boards @ 2, they’ll grab Favors @ 3 and push for a nice coaching splash (Phil, Avery, Thibs) and Lebron or Wade in Free Agency.
Favors has to be the guy...
Unless Turner drops.
I pray Rod doesn’t screw this one up.
by rundmc00 on May 25, 2010 10:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I can't see Favors being a bust
What he has already guys like Kwame Brown didn’t was good hands, a soft touch, and good body control
I can, very easily.
Lawal was a better player for GT last year anyway. Everytime I watched GT, I couldn’t figure out why the fuss over Favors.
And Lawal could be available to Nets with pick #31.
I used to support Favors, after seeing his HighSchool footage. It didn’t translate in College, so there is good reason to expect a Bust in NBA.
I think I would rather take a SF such as Johnson and then take Lawal with pick #31, as a backup Combo Forward.
Then take a star PF through free agency.
I’m sure Thorn is disturbed with the prospect of not being able to take a FA PF since that is the main position available in free agency.
The future will not be good if the Nets settle for Favors.
Trade the pick and cash (but not Courtney Lee) to Philadelphia for Evan Turner.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on May 26, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely disagree...
With the guy that compares Cousins favorably to Shaq, Zo and Rodman.
by rundmc00 on May 26, 2010 7:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lawal more experienced
He had the experience and was more polished but as far athleticism and NBA Body it is Favors. I think Favors was not aggressive enough in the beginning differing to Lawal more, But towards the end Favors showed he was the better of the two.
Remember there were a lot of questions about Bosh coming out. Not saying he will be as good as Bosh but just saying maybe Paul Hewitt does not know how to use his bigs to full potential.
Favors was clearly underused
He shot 60% from the field
I’m scared by Wes Johnson’s lack of ball handling ability.
Favors has collosal bust potential. There have been plenty of athletic freaks who lacked the talent and didn’t turn into significant players. FWIW, I don’t necessarily think he will be a bust, but his game needs major work to and I don’t think he’ll be a player worth the 3rd pick nor passing on Cousins, so please, Rod, don’t screw this up and take DC!
Just curious
because you haven’t displayed any concern for Cousins’ weight. Don’t you think his weight problem and lack of commitment is conducive to him turning into a bust? I just don’t understand how one could argue that Cousins doesn’t have the potential to be a bigger bust than Favors. If Favors doesn’t pan out he’s a servicable starter and if he does he’s a top 7 PF. If Cousins doesn’t pan out he could be out of the league in 5 years.
If Cousins doesn’t pan out he could be out of the league in 5 years.
‘Nuff said. I’m done trying to argue with someone who says this.
I Agree with NBRITM
Cousins could easily find himself out of the league due to his weight issues and his poor attitude
by Michael Botwinick on May 26, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but unlike Kwame Brown and Eddy Curry etc
Favors has good hands, a soft touch, drive, easily coachable great body athletic….He will not be a bust the like up the few I mentioned worst case scenario I think is a Joakim Noah type
any of them can be a bust
including Wall. He has huge expectations. Turner could be another Dennis Hopson or Ed Obannon. It’s all a crapshoot. There are no 100% sure picks. But I think Favors has less red flags than Cousins. But whoever we pick I’ll be for them 100%.
Call me crazy but...
Even with Turner on the board, I think I’d still pick Favors.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
I'm thinking the same thing
your not cray at least we got 3 not four, he has a lot of attributes you see in D-howard and Staudamire
You people OBVIOUSLY haven't seen Turner play very much during 2010.
It is just Nuts to read such remarks.
Haven’t people learned any lesson from Kevin Durant yet?
And Turner is a better team leader.
And Turner IS very strong, or he wouldn’t be one of the leading rebounders in college as a POINT GUARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The highlight films don’t scratch the surface, but here is a new one:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/blogs/Video_Evan_Turner_highlights.html#axzz0p2GxeGxn
You can't compare them
Durant was an athletic freak and tall for his position. Turner average athlete and average height with small arms.
That said I think Turner will still be good. But Turner is not a lock for ROY nor will he be.
Yeah I understand how good he was but he is not and will not be Kevin Durant
Durant is 6’10 with like a 7 ft wingspan and more athletic than Turner, the thing is we have T-Will who I think, with the ball in his hands will take us to the next level and make us very dangerouse his size and speed, is Wall on steroids you can say.
Turners length
or lack there of scares me, it’s going to hurt him trying to guard other NBA swing men.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Turner would be one of the longest SG in NBA
AWESOME BABY
well I think iggy has one of the longest wingspans in the NBA
at least relative to his height
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I want the hard working defender...
Cousins and Brook won’t work.
by rundmc00 on May 25, 2010 11:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That is not part of the decision by Thorn
Only Cousins conditioning counts.
And the mock drafts mean ZERO.
One word from Thorn and they all switch Cousins to #3.
Oddly, they all chose Favors without any encouragement from Thorn. Maybe basketball experts think he’s a better prospect than Cousins, or a better fit for the Nets, or something. They can’t all be doing it just to piss off Andres B, can they?
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
So what?
Last year, early in the process, most mocks had us taking DeJuan Blair and then Tyler Hansbrough. A couple of years ago, it was Darrell Arthur or Gallinari. SO WHAT if now mocks have us taking Favors?
Didnt Thorn already
say the it would be hard to pass up on Cousins? I am not sure what more do u want from the guy for these so called analyst. Do I believe Thorn when he says stuff like that? Nope. Is it possible it is a smokescreen? Yes. I really think Thorn wants Turner. Unless PHI decides not to take Turner, which the more and more I think about it PHI wont pass on turner, Thorn has to decide which BIG to take. Either one could be a disaster. Either one could be a fit next to Lopez.
Draft Favors!
Please Thorn! I can’t wait to see this kid playing next to Brook! Yi should be better coming off the bench too, and hopefully injured less often.
by Special_Delivery on May 26, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
I like Favors as the pick
But the Nets are going to have to be patient with his development.
He could be 2-3 years away from being an impact player.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on May 26, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions
drafting a kid who may not be ready to start until the last year of his rookie contract is not a good idea
Ready to start?
It’s not like he’s replacing Tim Duncan or Chris Bosh, he would be taking the place of Yi. Favors could have started for the Nets last year and been more productive than the PF they trotted out there on a nightly basis. Favors can start next year.
Sidenote: You have to have some sort of connection to DC because this love for him is illogical.
Illogical is the anti-Cousins sentimient here. There are plenty of FACTS who can back up someone liking Cousins from what we’ve seen on the court this year. He has been one of the most efficient college players in the last 20 years. He is really talented.
More illogical is the love for Favors, which results in people comaring him to Amare or saying we should take him over Turner. This kid has done NOTHING (I do reapeat, N-O-T-H-I-N-G) for people to be that high on him. If anything he already didn’t live up to his high school hype, despite being a “hard worker”. I kno, I know, the guards. HAHAHAHAHA
You do realize that...
…the only negative aspect of drafting Favors (which you argue ad nauseum) is that “he didn’t live up to the hype.” That can be attributed to the lack of PG play at GT and playing alongside Lawal. Yes, I know you’re going to claim that I’m just making excuses for him, but playing at GT really did limit him. Maybe he didn’t live up to his hype, so what, he is sitll the best option for the Nets going forward — you shouldn’t hold that against him.
What does people wanting to take Favors over Turner have to do with Favors being inferior to Cousins? What does him not living up to his #1 overall status have to do with him being inferior to Cousins? Why are you holding his athleticism over his head as if it’s a bad thing? If you could: Make a concise and logical argument for why the Nets should select Cousins over Favors without attacking his high-school hype and comparisons to Amare.
If someone observed this debate from the outside, they would surely contend that those in support of Favors are making a far more objective argument than those supporting Cousins.
Are you kidding?
I feel like I’m banging my head against a wall bc you think Cousins could be out of the league in 5 years, but I’ll try again…
How couldn’t anyone make a logical argument for why the Nets have to select Cousins over Favors? You serious?
1) Cousins has been one of the most productive player in college in 20 years. Favors had a so-so season. People get carried away and make threads about how great Favors’ final 12 games stretch was while downplaying Cousins’ aboslutely awesome season. LOL, give me a break. Cousins has proved of being more worthy the pick, point blank. Keep bringing the guards excuse all you want. And if you think playing alongside Lawal hurt him, then couldn’t you have some doubts regarding how he’d work next to Brook? I think we all agree Favors needs a pass 1st pg next him, too, and we don’t have that, so I’m not so sure he would look or get much better on O if he played with the Nets.
2) Cousins is HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Favors as a player right now. On o it’s not even close. Cousins is much more talented and his offensive game is way more developed. Whether people want to admit it or not, the Nets need OFFENSE. They were dead LAST on O last year. Thus it’d make sense to take the offensively talented Cousins over a guy like Favors, whose offensive game has zero polish.
We also need rebounding and Cousins IMO is the better rebounder. I don’t want to use stats, but you can’t ignore the fact that he rebounded more than Favors while playing less minutes. Yes, Favors played next to a great rebounder like Lawal, but Cousins’ rebounding numbers are impressive taking into account the PT he was given. People will try to downplay his stats by saying he’s big and blah blah, but if you think that then you have to believe Favors being such an athletic freak, should have dominated the glasses, and he didnt., period.
3) People say Favors is a perfect fit next to Brook, but the truth is that on the Offensive end Cousins is better suited to play the PF than Favors. I’ve said this numerous times, Cousins has a better mid range game. Favors would clog the lanes more. Cousins’ skill set allows him to be better suited to play acing the basket. He can put the ball on the floor and has much better ball handling skills. Also, Cousins will comand double teams and is a better passer off them than Favors, so he’ll create better open looks for the perimeter players.
4) We need toughness, and Cousins is way tougher than Favors if you ask me.
5) Please don’t even attempt to bring up Lopez. Nets don’t care about that. Kerber already reported that, if they think Cousins is BPA, the Nets will take Cousins even if they have Lopez. And it makes sense, bc a 12 win team can’t afford to draft by need or fit, that’s just ridiculous, and for some of the reason I stated above I don’t think you can say Favors would bring more things we need or would fit all that much better.
1) You’re basing your argument on this season only. OK, of course— but these are both young men and things change over the course of a season. Cousins was vastly better than Favors over the first 2/3rds, but Favors was fully Cousins’s equal in the last third. When he was still younger than Cousins was at the beginning of the season. I don’t find it hard to believe that even great players may have to make adjustments over 20 games, much less young freshman.
2) Yes, Cousins has a better all-around offensive game. But Favors scored more down the stretch than Cousins did, even without well-developed moves. I would think that this indicates a higher ceiling.
And whatever happened to BPA? The idea that we so desperately need offense and therefore must pick Cousins… well, I’m sure you see the contradiction. Also, saving a point at the defensive end is worth exactly as much as adding a point at the offensive end.
3) You are welcome to think that Cousins is the more natural PF and would clog the lanes less, but you might be the only person in America who thinks so, including Cousins and Favors themselves.
4) Toughness is fine, but Cousins seems more out-of-control than tough IMHO. And look at the great stars in NBA history— a lot of superintense competitors, not so many fighters. If you’re selling him as a Charles Oakley-type, (1) I’m not buying it and (2) trading Oakley for Cartwright was key in the Bulls finally getting past the uber-tough Pistons.
5) “Kerber already reported that, if they think Cousins is BPA, the Nets will take Cousins even if they have Lopez.” So be happy, already. That’s what you want, yes? But the flip side is that if they pick Favors, it won’t be because of fit, it will be because they believe he’s the BPA.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The kid is 18.
I think you have to be patient with ANY 18 year old, especially a big.
Look at Okafor vs Howard, it’s not all that different than Cousins vs Favors.
You might get a better product out of the box taking the more polished player, but where are you going to be at in years two, three, and four?
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on May 26, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, in defense of Cousins, he did it as a frosh while Okafor wasn’t that good until his junior year.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah and it's not like we're one player away from contention
we can afford to wait.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
especially since Favors can step in and help in our most immediate area of need
front court defense and rebounding.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
if that's true...
…then he’d be a blown draft pick
Hearing these two extremes about Favors is starting to piss me off. Can the kid play basketball or NOT?
One moment he sounds like the Amare Stoudemire with defense, the next he sounds like Sean Williams
Jesus CHRIST this is annoying
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 26, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
LoL
Somewhere in East Rutherford, the Nets have a file marked "Derrick Favors" another marked "Evan Turner" and a third marked "DeMarcus Cousins".
I don’t know what’s in them, but I do believe that from reading what Thorn has told Dave D, Turner is not the automatic choice if Philly takes Favors.
• Turner: “I think he’s a combo type, and he can play some 3. But wherever he plays, if he’s going to be effective, he’s got to have the ball. He’s a big-time competitive kid — not super quick or a great athlete, but a good athlete. He needs to keep improving his shot, no doubt. But a competitive, leader-type guy. Is he the second-best player in the draft? I don’t know if you can say that. Who can be more talented than the kid from Kentucky (Cousins), a huge guy with great feet and hands?”
• Cousins: “If he gets in the right situation, where demands are made of him, he’ll be really good. His body (6-11, 270) is just huge, and you might have to watch his weight. But real quick feet — in a short area, which is where guys like him work in, he’s quick. He rebounds the heck out of the ball at both ends, and he can finish. He’s not a big jumper, and he won’t play above the rim like Dwight Howard. But he can shoot it up to 20 feet. He’s a skilled player.”
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/05/nets_will_have_multiple_option.html
Now, can someone tell me after reading those quotes that the Nets wouldn’t SERIOUSLY consider Cousins???
didn't thorn have high praise for Aminu too?
i certainly hope that doesn’t mean we’ll be seriously considering him too.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
NI....
…do you think Thorn is blowing smoke in regards to Turner?
I find it strange that he has downplayed Turner in public and has been gassing Cousins up.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 27, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah all we need in yr 1 is good defense athleticism, and putbacks.
I think he will learn on the job and be a very good compliment to Brook.
Although the NBA.com consensus doesn’t go beyond the lottery, a look at the full mocks shows that two swingmen, West virginia’s Devin Ebanks and UConn’s Stanley Robinson, are the most favored, but only with three votes each.
Ebanks are Robinson are not swingmen. They are frontcourt players/ combo forwards. They can’t play the 2.
PAUL GEORGE
I’d rather burn the two picks the Nets have to get Paul George. Thorn never does well with low draft picks. George is a SG/SF combo that would be a early-mid lotto pick if he didn’t play for Fresno State. He would also fit perfectly with Favors and Lopez- (crazy athlete, terrific wingspan, excellent spot up shooter, insane range, quick trigger, great defender, and silky smooth). The major knocks on him are the fact he played for Fresno, his inability to create his own shot, and lack of weight.
by UltimateNetsFan on May 26, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Pictures worth 1000 words
Just from the mug shots, I want Cousins and Johnson. I would not want to float into the paint if Cousins was waiting there. The kid has the look that KMart had. And Johnson looks like magic! Cousins would give us instant attitude, not the soft launching pad that Yi offers.
FAVORS
is the pick! A legit 6’ 10" and rediculous athletic ability. We load up and go after Mello next year and we’ll have one of the best front lines in the league.
Maybe the plan is to win 22 games next year and try to get lucky in the lottery next time.
I don’t think it is Proky’s plan.
Yep
It’s Proky’s master plan to get HARRISON BARNES!!! HOLLA!
by UltimateNetsFan on May 26, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris/Lee/Gay/Favors/Brook
Nice starting five…offense and defense.
TWil/CDR/Yi/Hump on bench.
Add backup PG and that’s a pretty good 10 players.
Can you tell me the reasoning behind putting Lee in the starting lineup and Twill on the bench?
And so said the old man!
Lee can shoot
T-will can’t. IMO it’s that simple. T-will, Harris, and Gay replicates each others skills too much, they’re all drivers and it would make the offense completely one dimensional and easy to shut down.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Can you tell me the reasoning behind putting Lee in the starting lineup and Twill on the bench?
And so said the old man!
When are we going to get relevant good highlight films from end of season, for Cousins and Favors?
That would change peoples minds.
People are soooo gullible to read the Mock Drafts and assume it means something.
One word from Thorn about how impressed he is with Cousins, and all the drafts would move Cousins to #3.
It all comes down to Cousins’ discipline and conditions. The off-court stuff is now irrelevant except to media.
The drafts are all looking at the same thing. They assume Nets have Lopez at Center and unless Thorn says something different they assume that’s how it would remain.
It would be like dropping off a Cliff to go from a sure thing in Turner to a Project in Favors.
I would rather take Cousins, mostly as a backup Center (13 minutes min/game) and use at other times.
At least he would impress other teams for a trade.
in fact many teams would swap picks now, and give a good player/draft picks, just to get Cousins for the #3 pick.
It is crazy for Thorn not to explore those opportunities.
How come the Spurs want to trade up..
For Favors rather than Cousins? I trust Spurs management a lot more than your rants.
by rundmc00 on May 26, 2010 8:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Spurs wanted to interview Cousins too. He declined. Spurs said they were interviewing some kids who were projected to go in the top 10, but that people should not read too much into it.
Articles said Spurs interested in Favors...
Any team that values defense would choose Favors first.
by rundmc00 on May 26, 2010 9:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Again
They wanted to interview Cousins too, but he declined.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16305
Again...
Stories said interview Cousins but trade for Favors.
by rundmc00 on May 26, 2010 9:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“It all comes down to Cousins’ discipline and conditions.”
I’m pretty sure his conditions involve a buffet table before and after every game.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions
You think teams will simply ignore his immaturity?
You can’t make this stuff up. BTW – I hard working Tyrus Thomas that is 2 inches taller would be a very effective NBA player.
by rundmc00 on May 26, 2010 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And..
he’s still at 16% body fat — doesn’t that say something to you?
what of he brings his weight down to 280 by draft day
it seems all u worry about is his weight…love, davis lost weight before the draft. So will cousins.
No, they’re super-duper athletes, great leapers, and well worthy of a #3 overall pick.
What’s funny is how you cherry-pick the data. I invite people with an open mind to go here
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=7
and look where the good NBA players fall on the body fat continuum. Hint: it’s generally a hell of a lot lower than 16%.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Chris Kaman was an All.Star, which I doubt Favors will ever be.
And so what if Cousins that great of an athlete or leaper? Do you need to in order to be a star player or worthy of a number 3 pick? Athleticism is an important component of today’s game, but it’s hilarious how people are so willing to overlook actual talent.
So Cousins = Chris Kaman, is that your argument? Because I can definitely see that. I guess I would rather have Favors than Chris Kaman, and especially a Chris Kaman who might be unstable.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Good comparison
Cousins will be just like Chris Kaman – drafted high after 1 excellent college season, so-so performance in NBA, probably with 1 breakout All-Star season.
Best Case: Chris Kaman
Worst Case: Michael Olowokandi
Careful there
If you say “Michael Olowokandi” three times into a mirror, he will appear and ruin your draft.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, draft day is pay day, isn’t it? Even if he gets to 280 then he’ll be at 315 by the end of his rookie year.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously he's in the best shape of his life
and it’s unlikely players are ever in better shape than their pre-draft work outs the rest of their careers.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
if that's the best shape of his life....
……….jesus h. christ
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 26, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Dominique Jones
glad to see the nets working out dj. he really is a great talent and i think he’ll have no problem playing the point, he handles & passes real well. this guy took the USF program from laughing stock to respectability all by himself and he’s big east tested. big time sleeper, he’ll end up as one of the top 10 of this draft
Cousins is just like KMart!!!!
When KMart was 6 years old…
As DeMarcus Cousins’ other former Kentucky teammates were going to bat for him during Thursday’s media availability at the NBA Draft combine, Daniel Orton didn’t exactly do his old pal any favors.
Orton candidly responded to a question about Cousins’ temper, calling him “a loving spirit” but admitting he’s also seen the 6-foot-11 forward lose control.
“It’s kind of like watching a little kid throw a temper tantrum,” Orton told the Louisville Courier-Journal. “But it’s a big little kid, so you’ve got to kind of control him before he gets way out of hand. He might hurt somebody, to tell you the truth. You definitely get out of the way if you can’t handle him, if you can’t stop him. One time I tried holding him back, and that was a mistake. I think he put a swim move on me.”
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Daniel-Orton-DeMarcus-Cousins-is-a-loving-spir?urn=ncaab,242921
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions
All Cal, Wall and Patterson endorsed Cousins. Who cares about Orton.
And please let’s not act like if KMart could control his temper. Because he never shoved Corey Maggette in the neck and never threw a punch at Tracy McGrady. And he never had issues with Scott or Karl, riiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!
This is getting ridiculous.
Oh, I almost forgot, Martin never mocked a teammate and his kidney problems , riiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!
Kenyon Martin had a mean streak but was also athletic and a better two way player than Cousins
From what I seen Favors has a mean streak in him as well
Off court issues aside...
The guy came to camp fat and can’t jump.
Brook/Favors much better than Brook/Cousins
by rundmc00 on May 26, 2010 9:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are a very innocent young man
if you think that the endorsements matter. What do you expect Calipari to say: “I couldn’t control him; if you draft him you’re crazy”?
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
McGrady and Maggette....
….deserved those well timed blows to the neck and face area. McGrady was lucky that he had people holding him back, K-Mart was ready to give him his comeuppance. He would have learned that there is a difference between pretending to be tough with smaller players like Bobby Jackson, and pretending to be tough with guys that will put you in your place.
All winning teams need a guy that is going to either frustrate the hell out of opposing players, or if worse comes to worse, slap the taste out of their mouths. K Mart’s departure has stung this franchise for years.
We have lost our edge.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 26, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But his off court issues don't matter...
Favors is the obvious choice.
by rundmc00 on May 26, 2010 9:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
cousins is not like kmart
he can barely get above the rim unless he has a running start. no athleticism. the “emotional” stuff is a concern but he seems to have a competitive attitude. but if you can’t jump at stay fit at 19 you are a sorry physical specimen. plus, he’s not that tall! maybe if he was 7’2" or something
Many people are saying Cousins bring baggage
he doesnt he brings ATTITUDE…we can use that cant we.
Harris puts on his pretty boy face when angry and Brook looks like he is about to cry when angry. We can use cousins’ toughness, attitude, and intimidation. Kmart was LOVED and so will Cousins.
He’s more a cross between Artest and Spreewell than another KMart.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok
So what happens when his attitude and “toughness” drive apart the team and chemistry is destroyed. How do the Nets move forward from that?
I just don’t understand drafting Cousins, there are so many reasons to point towards not drafting him and so few for Favors. I just don’t get it, maybe I’m missing something.
You’re not missing a thing. Some people are just fixated on the idea of a big angry guy pushing people around in the paint. Most people on this board support choosing Favors.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Louisville vs Kentucky
Watch the first 2minutes of that game. Cousins was out of control and should have got thrown out of the game.
I love Kentucky I thought Cousins was awesome. But come on let’s relax and think about it logically.
Favors and Cousins could both help the team immediately and for many years. Cousins has some baggage where he might not “get it” the first few years in the NBA and the team who drafts him will trade Cousins 75cents on the dollar and watch Cousins go onto to maturity and numerous all star appearances.
The question the Nets have to ask themselves is do they have the personal to control Cousins and make sure he keeps his attitude in check and stays in shape and then blossom into the all star he should be? Or are they better fit to develop Favors into the all star he has the talent to be?
And of course which one do you think will work best with our already established Center in Brook Lopez?
So why don’t we take deep breathes and let the information come to us.
You know...
This goes against the core argument Andres B makes against Favors — just sayin’.
dn't like it
i dnt like the names listed above the nets could have brought in a whole bunch of better players. jordan crawford would have been nice.
Does the Derrick Coleman Reference to Cousins Not Scare anyone ???
That name alone let a lone that they have the same initials and emotional mindset are enough for the Nets to stay away from him. We’ll just be asking for history to repeat itself.
Favors, Turner, and Johnson are better choices than this guy.
Jeeeeeeeeesus Christ
So you don’t think we should draft him bc his initials are the same than Coleman’s??? Seriously, What’s next?
Are you serious?
It’s not the because the initials… If you remember the DC years on the Nets, his ego go bigger and bigger every year. Before the Nets even drafted him, he was already known for recklessness. Not mention the weight issues.
I was all on Cousins, but....
I don’t know specimens like Favors are very rare, but skilled Big mans like Cousins are very rare too….
The Nets should try to trade de 27th, and 1st 2round pick, for higher picks or buy some picks in the the fist 20, because I’m with the really feeling this will be the best draft class since the class of Lebron, Wade, Anthony and Bosh that was probably the best in the history.
Love the discussion
Great debate between Favors and Cousins. I think you could make arguments for both, however IMO the pick is Favors and here is why:
1- Will be a better rebounder/defender in the NBA (Defense wins championships)
2- Athletically off the charts
3- No personal red flags, all indications are that he is a hard worker and listens, which should mean based on his athletic ability he will continue to be better.
4- Still needs to develop an offensive game, but minimally he will be top notch double digit rebounder/2 BSG from the PF position.
Whereas Cousins outplayed him in college this year, college success does not translate to NBA all of the time. I am concerned about his weight (even if u r a supporter you should be), and his attitude. Hes got an excellent low post game, and IMO hes better off at C then PF and we already have a Center. Defensively he would get killed in the NBA at the 4, hes gotta play 5 and to me Lopez is strickly a 5 as well.
Personally, I would pick Favors, but I would also take a close look at Johnson from Syracuse, hes got a ton of talent as well.
No workout for Willie Warren?
by JohnFromLongIsland on May 26, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thone
Yea, Thorn’s gonna screw up the other picks.
by UltimateNetsFan on May 26, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
But he drafted Jordan!!! /sarcasm
He’s gonna throw a dart at a list of prospects for #27 and #31, isn’t he?
by JohnFromLongIsland on May 26, 2010 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
PAUL GEORGE
I’m hoping he trades up to get Paul George. I saw him a lot in college, and his game would fit perfectly with Lopez and Favors.
by UltimateNetsFan on May 26, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
For everybody who keeps saying players like Cousins don’t come around everyday you could say the SAME EXACT thing about Favors. On the plus side we have Lopez so our need for Cousins I just don’t see it. I heard we need cousins for our “Offensive production” which I find is a poor excuse to draft him. Did anybody forget that we have about 26 mill for F.A so why complain about offensive production when we could get that threw F.A. POINT BLANK we don’t need Cousins unless he’s playing BEHIND LOPEZ “ON THE BENCH”
We could use tjhat money to sign defensive minded players, there’s no need to use the 3rd pick in the draft on a DEFENSIVE PROJECT.
Right, because there aren’t any good O/no D free agent PFs this time. Except for Amare, Boozer, Lee, and Bosh.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention Al Jefferson on the trading block
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I’d much rather have a 19 year old kid like Cousins on a rookie contract and getting better than throw max money at Amare or Boozer or Lee.
as the 3rd overall pick he'd make around 8 million
not exactly much of a discount from what Lee is likely to get
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
eight million??? What are you talking about?
Whoever gets drafted with the 3rd pick will make $3.4M. Lee will get at least $12M per.
yeah you're right i was thinking about the total contract value not the per year
dollar
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
In fact, and I can't remember who brought it up
but someone was saying even if Cousins is more like Randolph/Jefferson and Favors is more like Horford they’d much rather have Jefferson. Does it ever occur to people there’s a reason no one’s talking about shopping Horford but Jeffersons on the block and Randolph’s been on like 4 teams in the last 2 years?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I'm not as high as Cousins...
…as some are due to the fact that he’s fat…well, the next word rhymes with “puck”, but I’d like to see some documented proof that this kid:
a)has mental problems.
b)is prone to violent behavior.
c)is going to be a criminal, or already is
because other wise, a lot of the stuff about him i’ve been reading on the board is a bunch of baseless nonsense.
I’m not advocating that we draft him, but those of you saying that this kid is a psychotic, show me some proof.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Turner will be a great for lebron
We just need to get rid of lebron when he turns 30+
I don't see the sixers picking favors over turner but in fairness
Turner’s measurements were pretty weak in the combine. John wall had a larger wingspan than him despite him being 2-3 inches taller. But i don’t see philly passing him up vecause of that. They need a star just as much as we do. We can only hope they do something dumb like pass up turner
by muwu on May 26, 2010 1:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Philly's GM....
…also picked Antione Wright over Danny Granger. There may be hope yet.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 26, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
One Thing People Seem to Forget
How good Wall is?
He is so good he makes COUSINS look like he is going to be a HOFer.
While POR FAVOR had no one to pass him the ball.
because Favors cannot create a shot himself Cousins...who is gonna pass him the ball on the Nets?
by jirohkanzaki on May 26, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, jirohkanzaki
If Cousins is that talented, it’s not bc of Wall. He is that talented. He is a natural go-to scorer. He just needs to get the ball. Even if he had had better guards to get him the ball, Favors’ ability to create his own shot would have got exposed, bc that’s one area of the game he’s really poor at. He doesn’t need a guard who just gets him the ball downlow. He needs a pass 1st pg who give him EASY looks, bc he is a TREMENDOUS finisher. Enough with the guards talk, he isn’t all that good on O by himself, Cousins OTOH is so gifted on the offensive end he doesn’t need a PG to create for him, not only in the low post, he can play face to the basket too.
Funny how Favors outscored him (yes, per minute) over the last third of the season. Maybe Cousins was too pooped from lugging all that weight around.
by calling all toasters on May 26, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
you have to take into account that guys like Wall, Bledsoe or Patterson had to get their points too.
yeah the immense talent had nothing to do with his success
but apparently everything to do with any detraction
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
was cousins bringing the ball up the court?
he didn’t create his own shot everytime.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
To people on the Favors camp, let's not fool ourselves
Everybody says Cousins is more talented and it is obvious, that is not the area you would want to go into with Cousins vs Favors.
Discuss how Cousins has a high body fat %tage, less athletic than Favors, suspect attitude and is more of a center which we already have in Brook. Discuss talent and you are lessening your credibility by favoring Favors.
by jirohkanzaki on May 26, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Fasvors has much more defensive talent than Cousins....
Also can play above the rim much better than Cousins.
yeah I don't understand how post moves are talent
those are things you learn, talent is generally considered innate.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Well you know what they say about defense...
it is not 99% talent… :)
by jirohkanzaki on May 26, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
but why are post moves talent
but timing on shot blocking, explosion and quickness not?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I think the Favors argument is kind or like Carlos Boozer and Staudamire in the playoffs
Boozer had his troubles getting his shot off against equally strong guys and length because of lack of mobility and athleticism, While Staudamire with his strength speed athleticism and quickness has it a bit easier.
then why is defense talent
when you can learn it just like post moves as you said?
by jirohkanzaki on May 26, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
because you can't learn explosion
like I said talent is usually innate something you can’t learn. Cousins can’t learn to be mobile or athletic.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
defense is explosion? lol...that was the problem of the nets with SWat...
is to get him to stay down and be in position instead of pursuing the ball in the air all the time…are you one of the people who believes defense = shotblocking?
by jirohkanzaki on May 28, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
but why are post moves talent
but timing on shot blocking, explosion and quickness not?
Then Sean Williams is one of the most talented players in all of basketball.
I think pretty much everyone agreed Williams was one of the
most talented players in his class. His downfall was his off-court issues and complete lack of focus and work ethic.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
he was also RAW just like Favors and you don't know if he is ever going to "get it"...
by jirohkanzaki on May 28, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
um Williams hadn't played organized basketball in like a 1.5 years
and even in college wasn’t the rebounder or offensive player Favors was.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Favors or Turner sounds like a great draft to me
I hope Rod does okay on the later picks.
Nice article from Hoopsworld
There’s a lot of food for thought there o raymond felton. Does anyone else have thoughts?
Nice article...
I am very happy with Favors or Turner. Devin Harris play and injuries worry me but hopefully a new coach (AJ?) will do the trick.
Devin's injury history has always been a concern for me
He just can’t seem to stay healthly when we need to be.
If we relied less on him for offense...
That could help. I have to say that him and TWil on the floor together was ugly under Kiki.
Bottom line to me Favors has more upside and is a better fit now for the Nets
He can block shots, Cousins can’t. Favors can run the floor Cousins can’t. He he can get put backs from farther differences, and just make those athletic hustle plays, seems like he has a motor… I mean I like Cousins just not for this team we already have Brook, you know Brook is not going to like it if Cousins is hogging the ball or getting more touches than him, both of them can get angry quickly.
What is the difference between Favord and Larry Sanders?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0t3iKQCkzY
If anything, Sanders’ moves look much smoother, range longer, passing crisper and much nastier!
but he's only been playing organized basketball for 5 years...
which emphasizes one of the points I’m making with Favors…he is slow in developing…
by jirohkanzaki on May 26, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
?
Favors is a year younger than his class, how is he slow in developing?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Cousins is only a year older than Favors...
yet his draft projection shot up from the mid-20s to top 4…
Favors from #1 to #3…
Sanders was raw-er than Favors last year and has only played 5 years yet his game developed faster than Favors…
by jirohkanzaki on May 26, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's only 210, doesn't have Favors frame strength, or athletic strenth meaning jumping strong, without getting knocked out the air.
Basically what I see, kind of reminds me of Rashard Lewis a bit actually, or eddie griffen
Favors or Cousins...I'll take any of them or both of them if I had the chance...
but as the Suns proved with their recent success against the Lakers, who can go tall and pound it inside (Gasol/Bybum) or fast with (Gasol/Odom or Odom/Artest)……We need shooters!!!
I don't want Cousins...
Let him be someone else’s problem.
Go for the hardworking kid with the Dwight Howard frame.
Then we 40% agree... :)
pick Cousins and we agree 60%…
Anyway if Favors becomes a Net then I will be behind Favors 100% but everybody will hear from me if Cousins actually turns out to be better… :)
by jirohkanzaki on May 26, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Best scenario for me is:
Lopez/Cousins
DLee/Yi
LBJ/T-Will
CLee/CDR
Harris/Willie Warren
+ Stanley Robinson or Devin Ebanks
Best (realistic) scenario for me is:
Lopez/Boone
Favors/Hump/Yi
Gay/CDR/McCants
Clee/T-Will/Stevenson
Harris/Bledsoe
I like that lineup
I think we definitely need to go after Gay he is a star man, has all the tools and produces, I think maybe starting him at the three and T-Will at the two may be our best lineup, let T-will run the show, Gay can shoot.
I think Lee has to start for two reasons. Lee is a better knock-down shooter than T-Will so he can play off the slashing of Gay and Harris. And T-Will provides more of a spark off the bench than Lee, plus he is a good captain of the second-unit — I’m not sure if Lee can play that role.
Yeah thats the thing, if T-Will will have the ball more in his hands on the second unit I'm all for it.
I think theres going to be a point this season when where saying T-will is one of our best players needs to start, he is impressive I seriously think he is our future point guard.
Show me an analyst who thinks Phila. won't pick Turner, and I'll show you someone who didn't watch Evan Turner play much.
It would be incredible if Stefanski would accept CLee for a swap in draft order.
But I doubt that would be enough for Phila. Turner would become the team leader of Nets in 1-2 years.
Afterall, Turner is a 40 mpg Stud and since he would mostly play SG (where he would play for Phila), CLee wouldn’t get much PT. This would make it necessary to keep CDR in reserve and hope his shooting touch improves.
Trying hard to think hard why Phila. might consider that deal – perhaps they plan to unload Brand (a tall order) or they don’t think Iggy would give up control of the team to Evan Turner. Only other possibility is fear for Turner’s back.
I wonder if teams are allowed to play for an MRI? I assume they can get access to his old medical data?
If we can get turner that makes our offseason that much easier. Get turner and go after lebron gay and bosh or Lee.
man i would love love love to see this lineup when we go small:
harris
twill
turner
bron
bosh
talk about an athletic and fast team??!!!!!
you can go big with:
williams
turner
bron
bosh
lopez
still athletic and quick.
I believe Turner entices lebron a little bit less than wall but enough that he would come here. Especially if he is bringing a Pf with him.
So mamy possiblities! Dont mess this up thorn!!!
Turner dropping to #3 would be great, but on the other hand Devo, TWill and Turner on the court at the same time would have the potential for ALOT of turnovers, and missed 3’s.
The next coach is going to HAVE to be willing to run more..
P.S Mikhail Torrence is the sleeper pick for round 2.
legit 6’4 drive and dish point that plays D
If we draft Cousins...
Brook Lopez would have room to operate. He seems more comfortable facing up, essentially as a PF anyway.
The guy I’m concerned about not having room to operate is Devin Harris. Devin Harris likes to attack the paint and struggles with his outside shot. It seems with Lopez and Cousins playing together, there would be no more paint left.
The ideal PG for Cousins and Lopez would be a knock down shooter, and someone who can control the tempo of the game. Unfortunately, there aren’t too many guys like that who are available these days.
I think Jerome Randle, projected to be a mid to late 2nd round pick out of Cal, though he is very undersized, would be a perfect fit with Lopez and Cousins. You can play him behind Harris for a year or so to see how he would fit in. If something looks like a good fit, you can then test the waters for a Harris trade.
Turner+Lopez+Harris=James and/or Amare/Dirk
I was shocked when i heard the sixers might pass on turner, i really like favors but i would be fine with turner are lineup would be sick with just turner and a david lee
This would be crazy if sixers take favors because the talk is going to be turner or cousins, the only problem i got with this is if we get turner that means the PF we get isnt going have that defense ability like favors does, with favors all we need to do is sign a joe johnson for sg and james for sf, but ill be fine with dirk or amare for PF
But if we end up with turner ill be shocked if james doesnt want to play with turner lopez
and harris
A team of harris turner James Dirk/Amare Lopez and a soild bench to me is a championship team right away
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