"Do the John Wall"
Machinima.com is an online entertainment site showing original videos from your favorite video games. It's posted a NBA 2K10 mix of a certain Kentucky guard playing for the Nets next season. It's set to Troop 41's "Do the John Wall".
Put together by Jayarealgoon21, it shows a number of Nets players in the background, including Brook Lopez, Yi Jianlian, Terrence Williams, even Sly. But not Devin Harris. We guess we know were he stands on the Wall-Harris debate.
One person who might not be happy with the video is Lopez. It shows Wall wearing #11. That's taken.
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Number 11?
Hope Wall isn’t coming here thinking he getting that number.
by Christopher Manchesi on May 12, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
ALL HYPE, no Substance
Since Rod Thorn’s proclamation, ESPN has carried it, thus increasing the Hype for Wall.
If only they would remove Yi from the Nets, Thorn would easily have enough cap space to attract David Lee and LeBron James. Lee would take a discount to play with LeBron, BLopez and Harris.
Either Turner or Wall would be sufficient to trigger both Lee and LeBron to come to Nets.
At least if Nets get the #2 pick, we wouldn’t have to put up with this Trade Harris (for the hope to get LeBron) nonsense.
Make Yi the Guinea Pig for a little extra cap space. Nets are supposed to have around 28 million already.
Hoping for #2 pick.
LeBron, BLopez, DLee, DHarris, ETurner = Elite Team in 2010-2011.
No way LeBron turns down this possibility, coupled with a vacation with Proky in the Maldives!
Turner is not the same attraction as Wall...
Do not kid yourself.
by rundmc00 on May 12, 2010 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hype and attractions don't win games.
Wall may have a good future, but Nets could attract LeBron with Turner too, without having to get rid of Harris.
Past number 1s haven’t worked out as planned.
Certainly Turner+Harris would bring LeBron faster to become a contender.
The main consideration where LeBron will go is to be contending for Championship faster (per ESPN)
That is why it was said that Chicago will have a better chance than Knicks for LeBron.
Nets weren’t even mentioned by most analysts.
Not a single analyst considered the possibility of Nets getting a top 2 pick, then DLee+LeBron.
Everyone assumes to attract LeBron you need Bosh (and Nets don’t have enough cap space for 2 Max FAs).
LeBron would have NO Problem whatsoever of playing with Harris+DLee+Turner+BLopez.
It would be better than Chicago – easily, not to mention the Lure of Proky and Brooklyn and for LeBron to build his own dynasty (King of Kings County).
He would quickly get over the Depression he is about to have after losing.
You need to differentiate your opinions from fact...
The truth is you have no friggin idea what LBJ is thinking.
by rundmc00 on May 12, 2010 10:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LBJ right now is thinking about winning Thursday. If not, then he is thinking about a Great Depression about to come in his life.
LBJ appears to have entered into a Great Depression during last nights game.
Meanwhile everyone in the Media is thinking about which team LBJ is going to, and most are saying Chicago or Knicks, not Nets.
Meanwhile people in the media and here are trying to Hype-Up Wall with these ridiculous videos, when he was outplayed by some quick College point guards at times last year and wouldn’t even be better than Devin Harris for a while.
Agree with poster below
you do not know what Lebron is thinking.
Here is some fact, Lebron went to a few UK games to watch John Wall, I do not remember seeing him go to an Ohio St games to see Turner.
Wall is a business partner with LeBron.
Does that mean that LeBron would want to sign with Minny if they took Wall?
Nah
It is cold there.
I do not think Lebron will sign with us no matter what. I am just hoping we win the lottery so we can get Wall, Lure DLee away from the Knicks and sign him for fair value. Then explore trade possibilities for Harris, but not rush into anything b/c we can always try to play them in the same backcourt together. But I think if Nets get the first pick Harris is eventually on his way out.
Agreed
LeBron’s a pipe dream and it is highly doubtful that he is going to come to our team based on which rookie we take or if we have the great Devin Harris on our roster so I don’t understand why we are discussing that? My hopes for this offseason are the about the same as jcapriolo’s.
The Legend
Well Thorn is apparently thinking about trading Harris for Cap Space - meaning LeBron
Thorn could end up losing a great chance to get DLee if he focuses too much on LeBron.
My proposal is to play it safe and trade Yi for just a little extra cap space.
At least if LeBron didn’t come, Nets wouldn’t be worse off. In fact they might be better off without Yi, even if they had to give up the GS Warriors pick to unload Yi.
And others around here are going along with trashing Harris and keeping Yi just to maintain an “international image” with Proky on board. I suppose if Hump decides to test free agency, that problem would go away, but Hump might not be as easy to replace as people think.
This is burning people up. LOL.
Wall all the way!
LBJ
he is buddy buddy with John Wall, and John Wall is a better prospect then Turner.
by lemmetakeutodamovies on May 13, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If John Wall is so great, then if Nets got the #2 pick, do you think Thorn would trade Harris to get #1 pick?
I doubt if he would make any attempt to trade Turner for Wall. Yet Thorn seems willing to get rid of Harris to get more cap space, should Nets get #1 pick.
That means that getting LeBron, not Wall is the key for Thorn.
I am saying, that if Nets got #2 pick, they wouldn't attempt to trade with the #1 team for Wall.
The real focus would be on recruiting LeBron.
Getting rid of Yi (or if Hump doesn’t take his player option) would be more than enough.
Knicks would have to renounce DLee once LeBron enters Free Agency (which is now >90% likely).
DLee wants to stay in NY. DLee wants to be a PF. DLee wants to be on a winning team.
Where is Batman to figure out this Riddle?
The media are Soooo Stupid not to figure this out.
Eh
If you have Lebron, Turner and Lopez there’s really no need to spend huge bucks on an all-offense role player whose a defensive liability, which Lee would be in that starting lineup. Likewise, you wouldn’t want an injury-prone slashing PG who doesn’t play defense or shoot well, which is why Harris wouldn’t be a good fit in that lineup.
The Legend
LeBron would never come to the Nets if they didn't first solve the PF problem.
LeBron already hinted at this when he cited the assets of Nets, and left off a PF.
That is why the media is all screwed up. Noone mentions Nets becoming favorite to get LeBron, because they never think that Nets could get both David Lee and LeBron in the same free agency.
DLee would be adequate on defense playing alongside LeBron, with a new coach who stressed defense.
DLee would do what he is told to do.
Wall is a slashing PG who currently doesn’t shoot well and would be expected to be injury prone for the same reasons as Harris is.
If Nets get #1 or #2 pick, they must keep Harris for now. They don’t need the cap space or a mediocre draft pick.
Nets only have a 25% chance to get Wall. Meanwhile, If Cleveland loses tonight, the Nets may have MORE than a 30% chance to get LeBron, if Nets get a top 2 pick (and possibly if they get Cousins) and are smart with free agency.
That's really missing the point
We all think that Turner is good and would be happy with him at #2 just most people think that John Wall will be a better player.
The Legend
Harris would be better than Wall for at Least 1/2 year. Yet Thorn seems to be considering trading Harris to get more Cap Space
Nets need to focus on getting a new coach who can bring back the best in Harris.
They should focus on attracting Avery Johnson (who apparently is one of the targets of Thorn based on his statements).
Or else they could try to get BOTH Doc Rivers and Tim T (as Asst. Coach). Their value has just gone up, but may not be available to recruit for a few weeks!
Would be a perfect chance for Rivers to jump off Boston, before they decline.
Most people think so...
….because the hype machine at ESPN has told them so.
History has shown time and time again that ESPN doesn’t know what they are talking about, and their talking heads opinions are not their own, but talking points given to them before their day begins.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 13, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That is probably one of the best starting line-ups in the game..
Harris, Turner, LBJ, Lee, Lopez
Also we would have C. Lee, CDR, T-Will, our 2 other picks, and some veterans/shooters off the bench.
~AC24
It would be an Elite Team in 1st year. Wall should be great in 3 years.
Trust me, if Nets had the above team and Minny got Wall, it would be The Nets who would be on ESPN/ABC all the time, not Minny.
And after a quick start in 2010, the Hype would quickly shift, because Turner is likely to start out looking more like a NBA Allstar than Wall.
And the Nets could Keep Harris – lets not forget that significance.
wall will be great in 3 years?
?? i think you are undervaluing Wall he’s ready to play game 1 where ever he goes.
Should have an impact similar to Evans IMO
by lemmetakeutodamovies on May 13, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Wall was outplayed at times when he went against quick point guards at KU last year.
People chose to only remember his positive highlights.
If a healthy Harris was playing for KU, they would have gone undefeated.
Even a former peer in Jay Williams would comment on how much Wall needed to learn.
And Wall wasn’t playing much better at the end of last year, than at the beginning. That is not a good sign for those who wish to believe that he is sure to have lots of upside.
Maybe he will, but maybe he won’t. I don’t have that doubt with Turner. Turner is already playing at NBA near All Star level. Turner just needs to cut down on turnovers, by taking less risks dribbling into the paint (and rely on his teammates) and also continue to work on his shooting.
+1 Jerry
Glad to see someone else on here has abstained from drinking the spiked Kool Aid
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on May 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about the whole picture that includes the pick, LeBron, DLee, Harris and a new coach.
We shouldn’t focus on HYPE! 75% chance not to get #1 pick.
Smart people prepare for that 75% chance.
Somehow you've convinced yourself that because Wall is very hyped that he is not good?
He’s hyped for a reason; he’s the best prospect in the draft. And there’s a better chance that John Wall is a Net (25%) than Turner (20% not even counting the possibility that we take someone else) so why are you talking about Turner?
The Legend
Wall is unamimous #1 pick.
Also, David Lee is overrated.
Turner doesn't have good people marketing him.
Someone should make a video of all the Super Blocks by Turner.
I’ve seen replays of Turner make successive blocks above the basket, a second apart.
That is easily as much athleticism as Wall has displayed. Yet most people aren’t aware of it.
There are highlights of Turner blowing past big defenders with spin moves, to get an easy dunk.
He is guaranteed to be able to do that the moment he enters the NBA.
LeBron could be easily convinced to want to Team with Turner.
Turner is not nearly the athlete that Wall is.
And dude,college players don’t have a PR team or anything like that. Wall was hyped because he showed that incredible athleticism and actually became one of the country’s best players from the very start of his college career, not because he had some great marketing team deceiving everybody like you seem to think.
The Legend
Wall was hyped because he gets 2-3 highlights on ESPN every night, which everyone sees. And because he is 19, so people can dream that he will fill in for his deficiencies.
DCousins had more of an impact when he was playing (22 min/game) last year than did Wall (and not because Wall was giving him assists).
Maybe DCousins was increasing Wall’s Assist numbers?
And some people noted that fact, but the Hype Machine shut them down.
And I still have nothing against Wall. I just wouldn’t want to give up Harris to get him. And I wouldn’t make any assumption that LeBron wouldn’t be just as happy to play with Turner than Wall (if not more so because LeBron will want to win immediately if he goes to another team).
The thing about Cousins
is that he is crazy. I watched almost all of UK’s games, Cousins was awesome putting up numbers like you said in only 20-25minutes a game. But shouting matches with Calipari and near fights with opposing teams, watch the first five minutes of the Uk game against Louisville. I can see him struggling his first few years in the league and developing into an all star on his second team after the team who drafts him gave up.
Once again, Nets would need a good respected coach to handle Cousins.
JVG wouldn’t work. Doc Rivers could handle Cousins as could AJ. Doc and teammates got Big Baby in place.
I think even Prokhorov could take DCousins on a tour of the world to enlighten him (LOL)
It may be funny but might actually get Cousins to grow up faster.
No. Wall gets 2-3 highlights on ESPN every night because people want to see him because he’s a really exciting and talented player. And his deficiencies are mainly strength, turnovers and shooting, and it’s not like Turner doesn’t have those exact same flaws.
And Wall was unquestionably “the man” for UK in crunch time. The best players innately realize that it is best to get there teammates involved for most of the game but win it in crunch time, which is what Wall did. There’s no question Cousins helped Wall’s assist numbers and conversely Wall helped Cousins scoring numbers, but this isn’t really that important when evaluating either player because both showed immense ability in their own respects.
Also, let’s stop trying to guess what LeBron wants. That will get the Nets nowhere.
The Legend
As people on ESPN are already saying - if LeBron loses tomorrow, we are going to be hearing nothing but ..
where is LeBron going until mid July. You have to realize that is the fact.
“Where is LeBron Going – #1 story”
“Where is LeBron Going – #1 story”
“Where is LeBron Going – #1 story”
“Where is LeBron Going – #1 story”
And whether we agree or not Proky and Thorn will be thinking hard how to get LeBron.
There will probably be nothing Nets can do regarding Wall, but plenty of thinking about LeBron.
Until yesterday, I too didn’t think Nets had a chance to get LeBron. I only hoped Knicks wouldn’t get him.
That has changed today. I just hope Nets don’t ruin team in a failed attempt to get LeBron. It isn’t necessary.
Sacrificing Yi may be one safe way to go, as I explained.
Trading Harris is safer.
There is a lot hinting on this. Hardly any news of trading Yi.
HOW IN THE WORLD IS TRADING DEVIN HARRIS SAFFER THAN TRADING YI????????????????
You dont know how the team would be w/o there best player and there leader, trading yi would be irrelevant to the team
The reason we don't hear about trading Yi is 3 fold.
1. Noone wants Yi. That is obvious. However, since a late first round draft pick is worth about $3 million dollars, there is always a way to though in a draft pick so that one of the many teams with cap space would take him.
According to NI’s last cap space figures, if add a little more cap space, Nets would be able to afford LeBron + DLee easily. The might come pretty close at the present time.
2. Mentioning trading Yi is a sensitive issue. Yi’s only value going forward is in selling Proky’s image in China.
3. Until today, Thorn wouldn’t dare trade Yi with Yormarket as his CEO and Rod without any guarantee to be re-signed.
With Yormarket pushed to the side and with Proky’s Billions, Yi is no longer a financial consideration.
His help in attracting new fans to Brooklyn pales compared to what David Lee and of course LeBron would do.
However, Proky will soon need to consider if the new coach has Yi out of the rotation, he might hurt, rather than help Proky’s image in China.
Harris has a lot more trade value than Yi.
We agree on this. Also, Yi makes a good back up PF/C. We will have to see on the FA market. Either way, there is way too much news on trading Harris. Twill’s playmaking at the point also hurt Harris.
The offers for Harris don't don't match his value when healthy with a good coach.
Unless Harris brings back a near All Star level player, who Nets need, and has at least 5 good years left, then it isn’t worth trading him. From Thorn’s remarks, Harris is being offered primarily for Cap Space. That is not acceptable.
Yi can be sacrificed instead. That should provide enough cap space to attract LeBron. If it fails, not much loss.
if the Nets get the #1 pick and draft john wall it is a good thing. It doesn’t automatically make it harder to get Lebron (which I think will never happen)
by lemmetakeutodamovies on May 13, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Turner can keep his number 21.
Wall would have to give up his #11
Then there is DeMarcus Cousins, who might very well be available if Nets get the #4 pick.
ESPN still has Favors ahead of Cousins.
There are videos of Cousins stealing the ball off the dribble from opposing guards. He is that good.
The problem with Cousins, is who could the Nets take in Free Agency, who they could Market to attract LeBron??
It doesn’t make the best sense to get another Big from Free Agency, if Nets take Cousins (Best Player Available) at the #3/#4 pick.
There is no Wing in free agency to complete an Elite team.
LeBron and RGay play the same position.
I don’t want Joe Johnson.
If someone can figure out a player from Free Agency to complete an Elite team, let us know.
LeBron+BLopez+DCousins+DHarris+ ????
If we get #4
then LeBron is not coming to Jersey, let’s be real. In that case then Gay becomes a serious option.
The Legend
I actually agree about Gay in that case. With a good coach he could be one of the top 5 SFs in NBA in a couple of years, with a long future.
Still, I would hope Cousins would still be available with the #4 pick.
Then Scola+Gay in Free Agency. Nets have plenty of cap space already to pull that off.
Nets could always consider the possibility to trade Gay in a S/T for Anthony next year. Nuggets would be happy to get something back for Anthony.
In these scenarios, Nets would be hoping that Harris, CLee and TWill would have good years.
25% (Wall) chance Harris is going to be shopped.
Harris really under performed this year. Dude to him being hurt, his outside shot declined. He can be a great 6 man, but I don’t think his ego would permit it. Trade him for a PF.
Does this hint that John Wall will be a Net?
Maybe Proky has a secret agreement with David Stern, Stern will give John Wall to Nets.
God I hope so, lol.
Seriously, I can just imagine how many people will emerge from the woodwork if we get the top pick though… “that draft was rigged because of Prokhorov. It was rigged!!!”
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His secret is called MONEY.
He can offer it and trade up if Nets end up with #2 pick. Nets have a ton of assets to to get the #1 pick. Also the wolves have like 4 PGs. It’s crazy to think they need more.
Nets already have 1 PG who with a good coach is better than all the Wolves PGs.
Thorn just raised the value of John Wall by his statement.
I’ll bet he would be happy to take Evan Turner and not deal with the trade Harris nonsense.
But if he gets #3, I sure would like him to try for #2 pick.
Here's to getting the #2 pick
Unlike some, I’d rather the Nets make their pick based on what they have seen from their own eyes with scouts, footage, and private workouts instead of allowing the ESPN hype machine to decide who they pick.
There is no reason why there isn’t an open debate about who the #1 pick should be. Turner has the tools that this team needs from a 2 guard: scoring, excellent ball handling, defense, leadership, rebounding, and play making ability. I take this kind of package in a heartbeat. Wall has a lot of things that this team needs as well. But Wall to me is in far greater need of developing a consistent jumpshot right now, he’s not going to be getting those clean lay ups in the NBA like he did in school. In a league where the best players play the 2-3 position, we need to be solid in that area. I think Turner can be that next guy.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
People need to put together some better videos of Turner and make them go viral.
Turner’s multiple shot blocking above the rim are as athletic as you can get.
Because Turner has at least a 7 inch reach advantage of Wall, he doesn’t have “sky” as much on his dunks. But the result is the same, and he gets more dunks and easy baskets than Wall.
Lets wait until the trials and interviews to see if Wall is clear cut above Turner.
People need to put together some better videos of Turner and make them go viral.
Turner’s multiple shot blocking above the rim are as athletic as you can get.
Because Turner has at least a 7 inch reach advantage of Wall, he doesn’t have “sky” as much on his dunks. But the result is the same, and he gets more dunks and easy baskets than Wall.
Lets wait until the trials and interviews to see if Wall is clear cut above Turner.
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