Could Nets Gain from Wade Staying in Miami?
by Net Income on Apr 28, 2010 6:25 AM EDT
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PrintDwyane Wade was always seen as the free agent most likely to stay home and after Tuesday night's loss to Boston, he did little to suggest otherwise. "I'm looking forward to a good team to build, and being with some great players next year, and to continue to beef up our roster," Wade said. He'll still opt out and still listen to offers but the Heat have $24 million in cap space to boost "our roster".
ESPN's Chris Sheridan suggests in fact that the Heat could clear every contract but Wade's, including Michael Beasley's...with some help for the Nets. With New Jersey even further under the cap, Sheridan wrote that they --or the Timberwolves-- might be willing to take on Beasley, the disappointing but talented #2 pick in the 2008 draft. "Miami offers Beasley, Daequan Cook, James Jones, $3 million and a future No. 1" to the Nets for "basically nothing." A swap of future second round picks could do the trick, for example.
Why would the Nets do that and take on nearly $10 million in contracts? Because New Jersey "needs to restock and won't find many players eager for two years of purgatory in Newark."
- Wade sounds as though he'll stay in Miami - Chris Sheridan - ESPN
- Chat with Chris Sheridan - SportsNation - Chris Sheridan - ESPN
- Miami Heat: Is Dwyane Wade staying? Is Michael Beasley going? - Ira Winderman - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
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Wow
I’d do that in a heartbeat. I’d willing to throw in the Mavs pick, our 2nd rounder and the GS pick as sweeteners.
Imagine a core of Devin, Brook, TWill, CLee, CDR, Beasley and our top 4 pick. Wow.
Depending how the draft works out, and Prospects for Free Agency, I'm sure the Nets would consider Beasley.
Miami could unload those players in separate deals. And I suspect that Miami will want draft picks in return, not give aways as the Pompous Sheridan rights.
However, Miami should be careful, because they might not get more than 1 quality FA after July 8.
Then they will have 2 quality players and end up using the rest of their cap space to get fillers.
The Nets would still have a better team than Miami next year.
Hopefully Beasley could play significant time at SF, making it unnecessary to get RGay.
A good tough coach for the Nets could have a big positive impact on Beasley.
Pass on that. What do the Nets need $3M and a late 1st round pick for? And Beasley isnt some special talent whos worth $10M.
We could do so much better if we take on salary
I don’t think he’ll ever be a superstar in this league, but he could yet be a star. To dismiss his talent at this stage (after two seasons) is a bit much. He was a consensus top two pick for a reason and his numbers this season weren’t bad… roughly 15 ppg and 6.5 boards. Under the right leadership and in the right system, he could prove very valuable.
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Miami would save $10M
That’s something you have to take into account. Spoelstra didn’t play Beasley for the 2nd half against the C’s. Miami is done with him. That extra $10M would give them a HUGE opportunity to surround DWade with a max deal player and an AS caliber talent.
That enough could be enticing for them, IMO. But I guess Riley would want a pick too. Throw in our 2 later picks and the GS pick and I don’t think it’s unlikely the Heat go for it.
I’d rather take a chance on Beasley than overpay Gay, even if I have to give up $10M in cap space and eat contracts of players who won’t sniff the court (I think Jones’ contract isn’t totally guaranteed).
I agree. Better to atke a chance on Beasley than overpay Rudy Gay.
However, I still prefer if the NETS avoid both and try to do better with the money. $10M is better spent on Luis Scola.
I agree with this
though I’m not sure I’d agree 10 million per for Scola, but regardless I’d rather take the chance with beasley then be locked into near max money for gay.
And to top off their greatest season yet the new jersey nets scored 86 points...in double overtime. yes a professional basketball team only mustered 86 points in 58 minutes of basketball.
If Nets were will to give back quality draft picks, then they should demand to only take on Beasley's salary of 5 million.
By dropping Beasley, Miami gets 29 million in cap space. Enough for Amare and RGay (although I don’t know if they could front load the deal for RGay, the way the Knicks might).
Miami might be stuck with a team of DWade and an injury potential in AS. I would rather be the Nets.
Example A: Miami offers Beasley, Cook, James Jones, $3 million and a future No. 1 to Wolves for basically nothing. The Heat thereby clear all their contracts and get their payroll down to zero (besides Wade), and Minny gets the No. 2 pick of the ’08 draft and a future No. 1.
Wouldn’t it be great if the Heat did that trade, and then Wade didn’t resign, leaving the Heat with 0 payroll? Would that be unprecedented?
What if Wade DID re-sign but no other FA came to Miami??????? LOL
Sheridan is SO POMPOUS
The fact is that if the Nets got ET in the draft they would be MORE Attractive to a potential FA than would be Miami with only DWade.
Sheridan is A JOKE. And I predicted the Beasley to Nets possibility several days before he did. Only thing is I don’t get a National forum.
And I doubt very much that Miami would make that deal. They would want a draft pick in return, because there would be several teams bidding for the chance to get Beasley and his $5 million contract.
I agree! Send Yi instead of Harris.
Bigs for Bigs with no defense.
james jones would be under contract just for next season because after that he has team options.
Cook is like eddie house/boobie gibson….every team needs sharp shooters like those.
Beasley would be signed til ‘12-’13 season. I dont mind because the talent is there…
we should get this deal done…hopefully ill be discussed.
I overlooked Cook...
we need shooting at the three spot. I’ll take Beasley and Cook for nothing.
Maybe we can give them CDR in return as well? That way, Chris gets a fresh new start(pun intended) and will see playing time as Wade’s back up.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Apr 28, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmmmm
so basically what this article is saying that the Nets will not find many players willing to come New Jersey. So we should make a trade that will add to our bench.
We should wait and see what we get in the draft. I do have a feeling many free agents will stay away from the Nets due to the record last year, the location, fans support and various other reasons.
The Nets do this trade they basically admit they know they won’t be able to draw any attention in the free agent market.
The Nets need to get rid of Yi and focus on the draft. I doubt certain players will be sold on the whole wait two years and we will be in Brooklyn sell.
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 28, 2010 9:10 AM EDT reply actions
Anyone watch the playoffs besides me?
Wade looked very frustrated. Heat is in need of major rebuilding. Wade already has a ring, he is also guaranteed max money on any team. IDK, they tried Marion, JO, Beasley, it’s not clicking.
I am on the Fence!
1) According to Sheridan we
…trade for the Heat that could be agrred to by June 30 but could not be announced until the new cap is set July 8…
We most likely will have a Coach. We would know where we are picking in the draft. If we have the #1 or 2 pick, we would still have the issue of who plays next to Lopez.
2) Like someone said above, do u pay Gay or Lee $8-10million or take on chance on a former #2 pick in the draft? (Swift is stuck in my mind even though Beasley has proven he can be better then Swift.)
3) Can Beasley complement Lopez? He has a mid range game and seems more aggressive then Yi.
4) Can whoever the coach here motivate this kid to live up to his potential?
WoW! this is such a tough call.
Can he be aggressive
And also assist Brook to 20/10 every night. Remember we experimented by playing though “Muscle Devil”, Brook wasn’t happy when his stats declined. Everyone harped over Yi’s low assist to brook ratio, lol.
now here's the issue
I cant imagine the Nets wanting to keep James Jones, who is going to be paid $4.65 million next season. He does have a buyout clause… 2010-11 is partially guaranteed for $1,856,000. Okay, but when is the option date on that partial guarantee? Most option dates are June 30. Cant trade him after you’ve bought him out…and according to the story, the deal couldn’t be completed til July 8.
A week ago, Sheridan got it wrong on “unlikely bonuses”. Maybe he got it wrong here too.
I find it hard to imagine
that Rod Thorn would trade for Beasley, given the Nets’ recent history with knuckleheads.
NetsDaily.com
Miami has tried to shop Beasly before
to no avail. There has to be reasons for that.
If ya’ll got him for “nothing” then sure. He’s not better than DLee or Cousins.
I’d like to have a new coach SOOOON. So, he could actually develop these type potential deals, or at least weigh in with Thorn on whether he would want to develop or even coach a guy like Beasely.
Point: Time to find a coach..and pronto.
He's still head and shoulders better than any of our current PFs
Remember Nets lost to Heat without Wade where main go to guys were Arroyo and Beasley. D-Harris, Lopez, T-Will, C-Lee – our core, our future has lost to basically Arroyo and Beasley.
Beasley...
….was tearing Yi apart in the last two meetings against the Heat from what I recall. The thing is, that’s not much of an impressive feat since Yi is softer that a supermodel’s rear end.
I have no problems bringing the kid in, but the Nets should not sacrifice much to do it and he should be considered as nothing more as depth at the 4 and possible 3 spot. He’s not starter material, his rebounding is atrocious for someone with his skill level.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Apr 28, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point....
….and Beasley recorded 25pts, 13rbs, 3 blks in that game.
And on 2-17-10, he posted 23pts, 11rbs, 2blks in a game where he carried the Heat against the Nets after Wade went down, and he there were several possessions were he embarrassed Yi offensively. Yi put up a solid 9pts, 9 rebs in that contest.
I’m not a fan of either one, but I am not against having one or the other off of our bench for some offense at the four spot.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Apr 28, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
for just a swap of 2nd round pick!?...
Nets should do this…
by jasperjarrod on Apr 28, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Just a guess
I think they’ll wait to see where the balls fall in the Lottery before making any player decisions. and like Jron said we need a coach first
Sorry but,
Sheridan must think Riley is an idiot. Heat will dump everyone on the Heat with exception of Wade and give 3 million in cash, for nothing in return? WTF???
I'm not a fan of Beasley
No defense, not good enough to play SF, not a great rebounder, can’t block shots.
He’d be a good talent to have off of the bench as an offensive spark. The other players, meh, not interested.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Don't See that Trade Happening, but...
If they don’t want to invest long term dollars in second tier free agents this summer, it’s not a bad deal for the NETS. If they are looking to fill out the roster without impacting cap space for next summer, this is the kind of deal you want. All three of the Heat players could come of the books next summer. Actually, the Heat hold a team option for James this summer, so I’m not sure why they’d even need to include him to clear cap space.
Bottom line, it would give the NETS one season to audition Beasley. If he didn’t make any progress with his game, they just don’t pick up his option.
by GeoffreySchmits on Apr 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
Thats why under certain conditions, I think Thorn will take a chance with Beasley.
But I don’t believe Riley will give him away. He will want decent draft picks.
They tried to deal Beasley before the trade deadline, but Riley wasn’t offered enough in return.
Sounds like a Kiki move to me – fallen angel. Sounds like a cheap move. Thorn is thinking bigger now that he has big money. Why settle? Yes, he is lightyears ahead of Yi and Hump, but he doesn’t play D or rebound much and if you can’t suceed next to DWade, man what are you? He is a scorer who seems reluctant, at times, to assert himself offensively. Too much work. Wade needs a PG and a big. Is Bosh or Boozer his target? D Harris would fit if they had something to come back more than Beasley. I’d rather have the Nets take Haslem.
Miami may wish Nets get Wall, so they can bid for Harris.
But I doubt Thorn would do any such deal with what Miami has to offer.
Beasley is more of a PF than a SF
And Cook could take on KD’s role
Harris/Cook/TWill
Lee/CDR
Turner/TWill
Beasley/pick/Yi
Lopez/Boone
Yeah, agreed
I said this on another thread: Beasley’s main problem is that he’s too much of a teener. Hcan’t guard bigger bodies and won’t rebound well the ball as a PF, but he will also get blown by by smaller, quicker SFs, and hasn’t good enough ball handlong skills to play there full time either.
But, if he ever develops properly, he could turn into a mismatch nightmare.
+1
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Apr 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust me you don't want Beasley
If Beasley’s game ever develops it will have to be in a system where the ball is in his hands most of the time. He’s had a prime opportunity to develop because he plays alongside a great player yet it’s proven to not work out. The last thing you want to do is bring a iffy defender/tweener to the Nets where Lopez and others are already established offensively.
I also heard pat riley has been really hard on himself for drafting Beasley, admitting his mistake
2 years of purgatory in Newark?! Why do they say that?
Looks like everybody’s been trying to put down the name of the NETS to make the free agents not even look at the offer sheet.
Why would those DUMBOS call it purgatory? Prudential Center is a very nice building and the Nets have the lottery pick and cap space to sign very good free agents. The remaining core of the Nets are talented.
So, why automatically diss the team?
Lots of Nets haters out there. I guess, these people do not want to see the Knicks get overshadowed by the Nets.
Yeah I don't get that either
I mean if players can find things to do in Utah and OKC I can’t imagine Newark is that bad. It’s not like players can cross statelines into the city.
And to top off their greatest season yet the new jersey nets scored 86 points...in double overtime. yes a professional basketball team only mustered 86 points in 58 minutes of basketball.
Most of the people...
….that comment about the Nets, or New Jersey for that matter, outside of this area are absolute idiots.
If Newark, a better venure and with new ownership and a clear direction in place, is purgatory, then this season in the IZOD must have been the bowels of a godless hell.
I prefer reading the beat writers, at least they are familiar with the team and the area and won’t say anything outrageously retarded or won’t make up stuff to write a story
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Apr 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
it is in Newark
and sorry, Newark is not a great city. The Nets can sell the building which is nice, but not in the same league as the best NBA arenas, and sell New York and sell Jay-Z, but it is still Newark.
This should be a lesson to those wanting Nets to stay in Newark
However, if someone at ESPN would just show the construction work ALREADY in progress at Atlantic Yards, then maybe those free agents and reporters would stop laughing at the Nets.
This is another reason why it is important to approve Proky ASAP, get a proper coach ASAP and have Proky at the Draft Lottery, drawing lots of attention.
I imagine any free agents that signed with us and moved
would live in NJ anyway not NY. NJ has better tax laws. That’s why so many famous people live in saddle river.
And to top off their greatest season yet the new jersey nets scored 86 points...in double overtime. yes a professional basketball team only mustered 86 points in 58 minutes of basketball.
Lets be objective here....
…OKC, or Brooklyn for that matter, aren’t exactly great examples of a utopian metropolis either.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Apr 28, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
good free agents aren't falling over themselves to play with the knicks either
there’s no proof that NY is attracting free agents other than arrogant biased NY media.
And to top off their greatest season yet the new jersey nets scored 86 points...in double overtime. yes a professional basketball team only mustered 86 points in 58 minutes of basketball.
NI I always have to question what you measure as a success. Gina made a good about OKC and Utah. These aren’t your normal NBA cities. The don’t have the draw of LA, NYC, or Chitown, but the manage to pack them in and they’re in the playoffs. What’s the draw for players that go to those places?
Like I said in another post. Players don’t care what the zip code is as long as they have chance to win or get paid.
If the Nets put together a winning team in Newark players will come.
Lets not forget that today you posted an article from the NY times about how the Devils are changing Newark. Think about what the Nets can do?
but is Newark that bad compared to OKC, Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Charlotte?
The players are not required to live in Newark, right? It’s only a train or 10 minutes drive away to the greatest City in the world.
I still think, there is a vested interest in all those who are bad-mouthing the temporary move to Newark, because of the Big free agency this summer. They want to eliminate the Nets in the running.
Lets just put Sheridan on the List of people to hate in the media.
He was already on my list.
Make that trade happen
low risk and high reward. Cook, James & Beasley? No brainer. It’s not like if Beasley has to start if the Nets secure an All-Star PF. With a real coach and a year or two more to mature, Beasley will either thrive or fall. Either way, it’s not like we’re paying a King’s ransom to make this deal.
Beasley sounds like a good option off of the bench at the PF spot. This is if Yi is gone and we have a solid starter. In my opinion Pattrick Patterson or a player with a similar game is best next to Lopez
Are you sure he wouldn't be getting more PT at SF?
I assume Nets will either get Cousins in the Draft or DLee in Free Agency.
That wouldn’t leave much PT for Beasley at PF.
Thorn likes the idea of players being BIG at their position.
Beasley would be a BIG SF.
At least he could defend at SF better than Yi. Just Beasley’s girth allows him to defend better than Yi.
He is inconsistent. Maybe he has an emotional problem that we don't know about.
I don’t if it was true, but someone wrote he was “gay”.
If true, its certainly something that would be discussed behind the scenes in this politically correct world.
Somehow I don’t think a DeMarcus Cousins would take any crap from a Beasley.
can't play with Wade?
Maybe because Wade hates him and Wade’s also pretty selfish.
Beasley may not be great but Wade has done him no favors in his time at Miami.
As long as we can still sign a free agent, I’d be cool with this trade. Cook would be nice coming off the bench with Terrance Williams running the point. James Jones may be the shooter/defender we’ve been looking for at the 3 if we draft Turner or want to start Williams.
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