CDR, Frustrated with Nets' Role, Uncertain of the Future
by Net Income on Mar 9, 2010 3:40 PM EST
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He says he and the head coach have a "unique" relationship. He admits, "I don’t really know what my role is" in the new inside-out offense, then adds, " I had to take a backseat." He's stopped letting out his emotions on Twitter, realizing it wasn't helping his reputation – fair or not – as a malcontent. And as for his future with the Nets, he says, "I’m going to see how everything goes, but I’m going to focus on me." That's the brunt of a Memphis Commercial Appeal profile of Chris Douglas Roberts' frustrating season. The Appeal's Scott Cacciola notes that CDR and Kiki Vandeweghe display a studied avoidance of one another, barely speaking. And while noting the Memphis product's frustration with the system, he adds that other wings like Devin Harris, Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams don't seem to have the same problems fitting in, as Monday's box score attests.
- Nothing but 'Net: Frustrated Douglas-Roberts sees his season slipping away - Scott Cacciola - Memphis Commercial Appeal.
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"I don’t really know what my role is"
This is obvious. The kid needs to be given a defined role, as he had when Frank was the HC.
Say what you want about him, this kid is talented. And he has a great desire. He was averaging 17+ ppg when we had a real coach in palce, and not this joke Kiki is. Even last year, he was producing late in the season when Frank played him at the PG.
Frank said that the kid is an unbelievable competitor and that locker room attitude was never an issue. Do you think that it’s coincidence that Kiki takes over and CDR isn’t as efficiente and competitive and that we then begin to hear about attitude issues? It’s comical.
Just get rid of Kiki already.
As I recall it wasn’t when Kiki took over that his numbers went down. It was when players were returning from injuries that his PT and numbers went down. Harris for one, but mostly when Kiki decided to make Yi a focus of the offense was when CDR suffered.
The truth is somewhere in between his too extremes this year. He never earned starter minutes, but injuries game him the opportunity. Harris wasn’t around at the time, so he took over the offense.
I agree he's talented and I think he's not getting a fair shot
but regardless I don’t think he has much of a future with this team when we already have multiple scoring back court options. I think the best thing now is to try and package him with other picks in this years draft to move up.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Agreed, but his value has to increase first
which means giving him more opportunities and making him part of the offense (running plays for him).
Someone good could be available at #7-#10 pick, so it would be nice to package Dallas pick + CDR + $3 million and something else to move up. Right now CDR doesn’t have enough value.
Yeah that's my biggest issue with the current regime
rather than stashing CDR and Boone away they should be playing them to try to increase their value if they don’t think they have a future with the team.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Iannazzone talkted to Cal yesterday and he praised the kid and his desire to win:
“We’d be in huddles and he would look at his team and say, ‘We’re not losing. We are not losing this game,’ " Calipari said. “And he willed his team to win.”
“He wears his emotions on his sleeve to his detriment sometimes,” said Calipari, the ex-Nets’ coach who currently is steering Kentucky. “He wants to win and this is driving him crazy. But I’m telling you this, if I’m going to war — and I went to war with him — you send that kid for ammo, he’s always coming back.”
“At the end of the day,” Calipari said, “I think he’s going to be a guy in the league that plays significant minutes, is a significant player, is a starter on a team that’s doing well. I truly believe that.”
Boo-hoo
Hey, Chris, to paraphrase The Wizard of Oz, “You’re not in Memphis anymore.”
So tired of his act. We keep hearing how he’s not gonna talk anymore…because he keeps talking.
Sure, the coach sucks, but be quiet, play when you’re called upon, and wait till next year like a whole bunch of your teammates and players on bad teams all over the league. Basically, act like a professional.
How hard is that?
Dates to Remember
May 18 – Net learn their draft position in the lottery.
June 24 – NBA Draft
June 30 – Deadline for Nets to exercise their option on CDR…$800,000 that could be added to the team’s cap space.
July 1 – Free agent negotiations can begin. Expect teams and players to announce their plans in the next few days.
July 8 – Free agent signings can begin.
If the Nets get #1 or #2, they are likely to pick Wall or Turner, adding to the backcourt/swingman mix. If they think they need every penny to accomplish what they need to do in free agency, don’t be surprised if they decline to exercise his contract.
They will excercise it. The kid’s numbers went down with the coaching change. Everybody that watches the Nets know that. Coaches have impact on role players “roles” and his in not fitting with Kiki’s plan. Unless the nets expect to keep kiki as the coach next year (not happening) than CDR is here to stay IMO.
by NetsBall4Real on Mar 9, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Even if they don't keep him as a coach
with Harris, T-will, C. Lee and Wall/Turner likely where does CDR fit, it makes more sense to move him to trade up, or as part of a package for an established power forward. It has nothing to do with Kiki’s weirdness on him there’s just no room for him.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Wall won't be up to speed of a Devin Harris during his first 6 months.
PGs have a lot to learn. It would be dumb to trade Devin and his good contract without getting a great value in return. Nets wouldn’t be able to gamble on trading Harris at least until next year’s trade deadline.
That is why, unless it was certain that Wall was really better than Turner, the Nets should just choose Turner for the #1 pick, if they get it.
Makes more sense to trade CDR on June 24 if it helps Nets move up on the Dallas pick in order to get someone they really want.
Is June 30 also the day for Nets to decide on buying out vs. re-negotiating Dooling’s contract?
Is June 30 also the deadline for LeBron and a few other top FAs to decide if they will exercise their player option instead of becoming a free agent??
LOL
yeah, they would need less than 800k! come on, this is getting ridiculous. Declining CDR’s option would be an sbolute joke.
The Kiki experiment has proven to be harmful
Thank god Kiki didn’t ruin T-Will 2 smh, this whole situation was botched from the beginning. I mean I’m just a fan and I wouldn’t wan to talk to Kiki, I remember watching NBATV interview Courtney Lee about the situation he talked about the coach and the changing roles and systems, you could see he was trying to be as politically correct as possible. But I mean I don’t care how great people think KIKI is at drafting, he aint the greatest, but he has t go!!!! I don’t think the players like him, I feel he is the biggest part of the negative aura surrounding the team, from secret deals to firing Frank.
And again
I don’t get how drafting a perimeter player would mean there’s no room for CDR. There’s room for him even if we land Turner/Wall and sign a FA wing (I like M. Miller)
PG: Devin; TWill
SG: Lee; CDR
SF: Turner; fa signing
If we draft Wall, start a backourt of Harris and Wall, bring Lee off the bench and sign a starting SF.
PG: Wall; TWill
SG: Harris; Lee
SF: FA signing; CDR
You're forgetting Hayes who we seem to have some weird love affair with
And he doesn’t match up particularly well on defense against small forwards. With so many slashing/driving/scoring options already we’d be better off looking for longer small forwards who cause match up problems on both ends, or shooters. C. Lee can come off the bench as a scorer and we can start some combination of Devin/T-will/Turner.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I mostly agree
but I’m not sure I expect it to happen
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Btw, Hayes has been horrible. But his agent is close to Kiki. That’s the weird love affair we have with him.
There would be no room
for HIM. He would wind up at the end of the bench, where he would be unhappy.
You think with Harris, Lee, TWill, and Evans or Wall, there would be a lot of minutes for CDR, enough to make him happy? He isn’t going to beat any of those guys out for a starting role.
Even without Evans or Wall, he can’t get minutes now. Hayes is adjusting better than he is, brings more that he does.
The Nets are going to play inside/out next year, as they continue to develop Lopez which puts a premium on two things CDR is not that great at: distributing and three point shooting. And unless Yi is traded, they will give him another chance, perhaps at SF if they get Lee or if they draft Cousins. (By the way, in case you missed it, Yormark is heading for China after the ground breaking to drum up new business.)
Everyone also seems to forget CDR’s defensive liabilities, particularly at SF.
As for the money, by the time June 30 roles around, they will have a pretty good idea of what their targets want and where they stand. They have $23.3 million in cap space without exercising CDR’s team option and without Humphries opting out on his player option ($3.2 million). Assume they are getting good vibes from a max player—that’s $16.6 million. Or altenately, suppose Lee and Gay want $11 million each to start. Or do they need to overpay for Gay so Memphis won’t match. Now, you’re making hard choices on things. $800,000 could matter.
You shouldn’t jettison a young and talented player like CDR who makes so little money. He was averaging like 17 ppg under Frank. Again, as Fratello was saying last night, a rebuilding team like the Nets should be trying to collect as much young talent as possible. Then in the offseasons you can try to work out trades to best position yourself for the future. CDR is a young and cheap asset. I agree with our current setup plus Wall/Turner he would likely not get playign time. However, who knows if we will make a trade for a big man using Harris/Lee, who have more value around the league than CDR. Or if we have to trade away some of our glut of swingmen in order to do a sign and trade in the offseason. It may turn out that CDR will be needed. We certainly could not sign a free agent for under 1 million that could be expected to perform at a level we can reasonably expect to see from CDR.
LOL @ Yi getting another chance. He has 4-5 good games, then is out with an injury for 10+, then plays awful for 15+ games. Rinse. Repeat. Why try for a 3rd season at $4.5 mil? It’s ridiculous how many chances Yi gets. I’m not foaming at the mouth because I don’t like Yi like some here, nor am I madly in love like others, but the hypocrisy when it comes to this guy is hilarious.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Mar 9, 2010 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Come on now
NI,
They exercised Yi’s $4M option. They can afford CDR’s 800k.
And I don’t think CDR’s a liability on D. He actually did a decent job at guarding bigger, stronger forwards.
With an actual coach, Hayes would not get any PT, let alone any over CDR. The fact that one of Kiki’s friends clients is getting PT over CDR, who doesn’t get alone with this clown, isn’t a reason to believe there’s no room for him.
Bring in a real coach and we’ll talk. Or are we making decisions based on what we’ve seen under Kiki as HC? Hilarious.
CDR/Heart & Talent
He has game and heart.
Heart is what Yi lacks for the game to win.
You cannot teach it.
If you have to teach it you are in trouble with the player.
CDR should start at the two and then have C.Lee come in as the main guy with the second unit.
J.Terry Dallas style. 6th man scoring machine.
CDR will be here for years once we get someone with a brain to coach these guys.
At time players looked confuse under Kiki and Frank.
T.Williams also look lose because of the coaching.
Wait until next year when we get a better staff put together.
CDR/T.Williams will shine from then on.
CDR needs ball in his hand to be effective. Without him dominating the ball, he looses his value. He cannot shoot from 3 or long range so he needs to slash to the rim. But when you don’t have the ball to dribble, he cannot score.
At the same time look at CLee. He is effective because he doesn’t need the ball in his hand to be effective. He can hit 3’s and a better shooter. With Devin and Brook, you cannot have another player dominating the ball. That’s not going to work.
I think CDR needs to improve his shot and defense.
I really really like CDR’s game. I think that he should be a part of the future of this team. What you guys are failing to realize is that its impossible to develop multiple young players at a time. The Nets first priority was to Brook and then to Yi. Courtney, TWill, CDR all were lesser priorities.
The problem is CDR is a SG not a SF and has been playing out of position all season. That is not a function of bad coaching – its just the case with this roster.
I disagree with CDR starting at SG and Lee coming off the bench, as Lee is a far better defensive player. And with Devin at PG – you need a solid defender in the backcourt. Plus CDR’s slashing game is more suited to being a 6th or 7th man, which is what I think he ultimately becomes.
C.D.R. 2 Spot
The guy can run with D.Harris and break for thirty in the first quarter every game.
C.Lee can then be the prime scorer in the second unit to give balance.
@Ryan243 You are coming along I hope to have a drink soon at the NETS games in the Prudential Center.
For the sake of next season’s roster though……..assume we get a top 2 pick and come away with either Wall or Turner. That pick is going to be in our starting backcourt from game 1. I believe that both of them can play in the same backcourt as Harris – as Harris is more of a combo scoring guard than a pure PG. TWill is also a PG, and not a SG or a SF. Earlier in the season when I was arguing this, very few people believed this. Now the consensus is becoming that TWill is a PG (he even refers to himself as a point).
PG – Harris/TWill
SG – Turner or Wall/ Lee/CDR
Depending on what the rest of the roster looks like next season – I am not sure that CDR takes minutes over Lee at the SG. So I think his minutes are destined to be limited regardless of who the coach is.
If I were the GM (under the scenario where I am drafting top 2) – I would look to package the Dallas first round pick, the Golden State protected first round pick and CDR for the third or fourth pick and take Derrick Favors. Granted that becomes a very young team, but we are still in rebuilding/youth movement phase. Plus that doesn’t mean we can’t sign Lebron – nor does that make us any less atrractive to free agents – if anything this makes us much much more attractive.
If Favors is the next Amare (and he is a high character guy who likes rebounding and playing defense and doesn’t need plays called for him to score) pairing him with Brook would give us our Center/PF for the next 12 years.
At some point, having a plethora of future draft picks becomes less valuable as it becomes harder and harder to continually develop and integrate young players onto a team.
I think using CDR in a package to move into the third or fourth pick is where he has the highest value on this team. And I am a big CDR fan….But to get Wall (the next Rose?) or Turner (the next Roy?) really cuts into his future playing time – and could easily create a distraction. If we could use CDR in a package for the next Amare – that is how you build a championship caliber core.
Remember most championships are won through smart drafting and trades – not signing big ticket free agents.
I think Al Horford is a better favors comparison than amare
strong defense and shot blocking and rebounding presence and gets points with hustle and put backs so he doesn’t need the offense run through him.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Don’t think of Amare of now – but Amare when he came into the league. He was very raw offensively. Favors has that type of athleticism.
But if he turns out to be Horford – would you be upset? Brook and Horford or Brook and Amare sounds pretty sweet to me……
I definitely wouldn't be upset if he turned out to be Horford
but yeah pre-microfracture Amare makes sense. But I love Horford he’s one of my favorite players.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Forget that Drink
Start rooting for another team because our NETS TEAM is going to get bigger and stronger.
We will take D.Cousins and you can have Yi.Jianlian for your team.
So you keep J.Wall.
Magic as a 19 year old won it all because the team was in place already.
It has never ever happen since or before.
J.Wall is not the answer.
I’ll bet the Nets win multiple championships before J.Wall wins one.
Stop Blaming Kiki
We’ve to stop blaming Kiki for this. What he suppose to do? Take ball away from Brook and Devin and give that to CDR. Don’t forget Devin was hurt when Frank was coaching. That’s the time CDR had big games. At one time, he was the leading shot taker in the team. There is no way that is going to happen with Devin and Brook needing the ball.
Funny thing is that if CDR was getting 15 touches a game and Brook 10 people would be calling for Kiki to be fired. Or what if Lee was getting 8 shots and CDR 10 shots? Again people would be complaining.
He’s in a no win situation at the moment. And if we had 25 wins at the end of the season and ended up picking 8th – I can’t imagine the comments on this site…….
Great point on the record
I think to myself that it would be nice for some extra wins, but for the last couple years i’ve grown sick of seeing mediocre lottery drawings when we weren’t going anywhere. So I can’t complain about this season considering who’s coming out
Its amusing but he really can’t win. For 2 years the majority of Nets fans wanted Frank fired. Then they applauded when that happened. Now they want Kiki fired. The past 2 years when we were ending up with the 10th or 11th pick people complained about us not losing more games. Now we are leading league in odds for top pick and fans complaining about lack of victories. If you are going to rebuild, blow it up and rebuild. Thats what we are doing. Unlike many teams who rebuild though, we have a very solid young core to build around with plenty of draft picks and cap space. I’d take this model over the Knicks 15 year plan anyday……
Exactly
Great point because you have to jump in with two feet. Look at the Pistons who signed two players last off season for the hell of it and now are financially locked in to being mediocre. If your going to do it, do it right. It’s almost impossible to rebuild on the fly in the NBA
It plays both ways
Two years back after we traded Kidd, VC kept playing even though he was hurt and end up wining couple of more games. If VC tanked the season, we would have been in Chicago’s position. Everybody knows Chicago won the draft that year and selected Rose. If we won the lottery that year, we would have definitely selected Beasely since we had Devin. Instead Brook fell all the way to us. Who would you rather have now, Beasely or Brook.
So it works both ways. BTW, last year we lost the coin flip to Bucks and we ended up with 11. We may have taken Jennings if we were to pick 10th. Work both ways.
Maybe you can’t see it now – but in 2 years I think you will be happy we took TWill over Jennings. He has more potential as a true PG than Jennings does. You guys think Harris gets injured…wait till you see the injuries that ultimately befell Jennings. He is 165 pounds – that frame will not stand up to long term rigors of nba.
If that to work, TWill need to be the full time PG not a forward who plays little bit of point. He also needs to improve his shot and FT %.
Agreed. But his shot selection has definitely improved along with his shooting. And his court vision and ability to find the open man in traffic or on the break are unmatched.
I would like Nets to play him backup PG leaving Dooling to rest his hip. He has to show that he can stay in front of quicker smaller PGs. Best is to practice against Devin.
And I would like to see him learn to start backing down and posting up smaller PGs. He would do himself a huge favor to study an hour a day of Jason Kidd tape. Kidd was the best at backing down and posting up smaller points.
Defensively I think he will be fine. The Rondos and Pauls of the world will give him some problems (as they do Devin as well) but the Deron Williams and Jason Kidd type points – TWill matches them with strength and has more athleticism.
2nd Round Draft Pick...
CDR was a second round draft pick for a reason. His early season success was an aberration. He played very little last year. He is NOT a three in this league, with threes who are 6-9. CDR needs to continue to work on his game, play with energy, intense defense, and hope for ten to fifteen minutes a game the rest of the way. KIKI is NOT going to be the coach next year, so CDR will have another chance for a better working relationship with his new coach. My other advice to CDR: Don’t Tweet anymore!
Paul
Delray Beach, FL
by DelrayBeachPaulie on Mar 9, 2010 6:34 PM EST reply actions
I don't understand why Kiki won't start him
1. Harris
2. Lee
3. CDR
4. Humphries
5. Lopez
and have T-Will come off the bench as 6th man
"Champions aren't made in the gym. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision."
- Muhammad Ali
"Words of wisdom is nothing but foolishness to the unwise"
CDR...
is not a small forward. This is one of the problems, he’s playing out of position.
The other thing is, besides the fact that he needs to learn some tact, is that he said what most people (who just don’t have something against the kid because of twitter nonsense) have realized: Once Frank left, he was left without a role. He looks lost out there, sometimes he looks like he’s afraid to shoot the ball.
I don’t think he’ll have a place here if we land the 1st or second pick, but I know that being somewhere else with some leadership and coaching will be the best thing for him. Good luck CDR.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
He was a small forward in college
I agree he’s not an NBA small forward but it is his natural position. If anything sg would be out of his position.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
CDR vs CLee
CDR got a raw deal period.
He “earned” a starting spot, unlike Yi and CLee.
CDR has had to “learn” 2 positions in 2 years
Back up PG last year and SF this year.
CDR has never played his “natural” position SG
Lee only plays 1 position
This year CDR has to play bigger, and stronger players and he still produce.
Therefore you can’t really blame him for the D
In the 1st game vs Lebron, CDR burned him backdoor more than once for easy baskets
In the postgame interview Lebron mentioned him.
CDR admits the losing got to him this year. He showed it in the locker room, he showed it on the court too. Remember he called the timeout?
KiKi took over when players got healthy and the offense changed.
CDR was not invited to KiKi’s party. Obviously
Lee plays defense CDR doesn't
Lee can score without having the offense run through him, CDR can’t. CDR’s natural position is sf not sg so I’m not sure what you’re talking about and Lee can play them both just as well on offense and better on defense.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
CDR is a natural NBA SG but lacks the jumper to truly be a starting NBA 2. I always felt he was a 6th man – but if we end up picking top 2 in draft, combined with emergence of Lee and TWill just not sure there are enough minutes to go around. Plus if we end up picking second, depending on how the Nets view Turner and TWill – we may need to draft or sign another backup PG which would further eat into backcourt minutes. I firmly believe TWill is PG of the future – but obviously unsure how the organization feels. I do think Kiki believes the same though…
My friend says T-Will reminds him of a smaller version of Lebron, a lot to do with build. I’ll agree with that. But the power and vision he has with the ball, too bad he can’t see over the defense like Lebron
But seriously
Every time Williams has the ball he looks like he’s going to pop it. He really takes the ball as a prisoner. Good trait.
what?
CLee has plays called for him all the time. CDR doesnt. Get thos same plays. CDR played SG at Memphis next to DRose. He only weighs 210lbs
by DJ HeavyDuty on Mar 10, 2010 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
CDR, you were a second round pick. You were picked 40th. Please just SHUT UP and play if/when the coach calls your number. It’s getting old.
CDR, Frustrated with Nets' Role, Uncertain of the Future
CDR, Just play the way you did at the beginning of the year. You lost your agressiveness, your heart. If you play well when your in there, they have to play you dude. Stop complaining and play. Other teams are watching how you handle this. Don’t blame the system, blame yourself. If your a real baller you should be able to play in any system.
by Barry from Brooklyn on Mar 9, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions
Too deep in forest to see the trees
The problem is between CDR and Kiki, and their lack of communication. But c’mon, Kiki is no head coach and certainly not skilled in the arts of complex player management. Once the ‘fissure’ between he and CDR started, he had no skills to keep it from escalating. I’m not protecting Kiki, but I’m not pretending he’s a coach either. He’s a patsy who’s being made to eat the junk he’s assembled. Not like there’s a choice there either, we have an owner hell-bent on being the worst in sports if it means saving money.
They fire Frank because it wasn’t fair to stick him with that team in the first place. Thorn forces Kiki to take over because there’s no money to hire anyone, let alone a head coach. The team can’t even afford scouts and supportive personnel, which also contributes to the hell this team is in. Kiki takes over at a weird time when full roster returns and has some real tough decisions to make about PT and obviously isn’t equipped to manage that stuff.
What you get, is Kiki trying to get CDR to ‘fill a role’. When CDR has legitimate gripes and frustrations with ‘the role’, Kiki takes a firm stance, CDR shuts down and tunes out – probably following the role too much. Kinda like; ‘aight you want me to do XYZ, I’ll show you nothing but XYZ’. Give CDR credit for following the gag order and dealing with this fiasco because Kiki will obviously finish the season on this note, and that’s just lazy.
Remember when TWill turned around, with Thorn telling him ‘exactly what he needed to hear’? Well guess what, CDR has been left to dry. Now I know CDR made a good part of the bed he currently lays in, but this isn’t second grade. To keep this nonsense going is rediculous. CDR is better than that and lack of proper communication and guidance is the problem – that’s responsibility of coach (a real one).
As for future, draft changes everything and CDR could well find himself odd-man-out at this point. But you’re not getting his talent for that little salary anywhere in the league. The Nets would be lunatics to not retain him, at the very least for trade bait. I for one would be sad to see him go and hope he sticks around but those are the realities of a horrid season.
Yeah if they end up outright releasing him
that would probably be the worst thing they’ve done in the last 2.5 years IMO. there’s 0 excuse for not at least getting value in a trade, but it seems like there’s been more rumors of them releasing him than shopping him. And it’s hard to imagine if they were planning on trading him they wouldn’t be trying to show case him rather than hiding him on the bench and playing the trenton hassels and jarvis hayes’s of the world.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
CDR is a talent
People can hate on him all they want, and call him a scrub or a 2nd round talent, BUT this kid’s got game. He is an ALL-AMERICAN. And he’s produced every time an ACTUAL coach has given him the chance to do so. It’s not only that he was averagingg 17+ppg early in the season until Frank got fired. Last year, late in the season, he was given minutes and had some great games coming of the bench, Frank even played him at the PG and the kid produced.
Look, real coaches like Frank or Calipari won’t endorse you if you’re a selfish, lazy scrub. Take another look at Cal’s quotes on CDR. The guy has heart. Frank says he’s an unbelievable competitor.
Again, are we really gonna make a decision on him based on what he’s done with Kiki as HC? Really? Come on, think it twice.
You know who else garnered concensus all-american status that year?
Michael Beasley, Tyler Hansbrough, DJ Augustin, Kevin Love. Second Team – Luke Harangody, Shan Foster, DJ White, Stephen Curry, Roy Hibbert, Chris Lofton.
Totally an indicator of talent huh?
Observation from Netsarescorching from the Memphis game:
“Speaking of CDR, if he’s going to mope and groan about playing time, he should do simple things better like box out. When DeMarre Carroll swooped in out of nowhere to grab an offensive board and a putback to put the Grizzlies up by 6 in the fourth quarter, that was totally CDR’s responsibility to put a body on Carroll, but he seemed more concerned with trying to streak down the court to get into the offense quickly.”
And on today’s topic from them:
“The System
This has been CDR’s biggest complaint of the season and of Kiki. That Kiki’s decision to play inside-out is disrespectful to CDR and his game, but in all actuality this was the decision that turned the Nets’ season around (from 0 wins to now 7). The fact that CDR still spouts off his scoring average after the first 30 games off the top of his head is troubling. He seems to be hanging on to that despite not doing what got him there. Ever since Yi returned and Kiki decided to play inside-out, CDR has lost that aggression and willingness to attack the basket. That’s why his shots and his scoring have gone down. The shots are out there (especially now that the Nets need a 4th scorer with Yi out).”
are you serious?
The other guys who were named 1st team All-American along with CDR were Beasley, Augustin, Love and Hansbrough and you question whether that’s an indicator of talent? Are you kidding me? Those 4 kids are great prospects.
The Blazers have one star wing (Brandon Roy) and they also have 3 complementary youngsters (Batum, Fernandez and Webster). And don’t forget that, until they traded for Camby, they had Blake (who played spot minutes at the 2) and Outlaw (who played minutes at the SF).
Miller; Bayless
Roy; Fernandez
Webster; Batum
I fail to realize why landing one of the top 2 picks would mean there’s no room for CDR. I think we could have a similar perimeter rotation to Portland’s if we landed Turner
Harris/TWill
Lee/CDR
Turner/TWill
We could even add another wing, and there would still be room for CDR
Harris/TWill
Lee/CDR
Turner/Miller
The differenceis we've already established CDR can't play small forward in the NBA
So it would leave you with three shooting guards, and no real small forwards if we drafted Turner and kept CDR. Which is why we should move him for front court talent.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
CDR and Kiki - no match
CDR is a unique player with unique skills. It takes a skilled coach to figure out how to use him effectively. Kiki is not that coach. CDR knows that if it is Kiki, he is out, but if the Nets hire a coach that gets players and has some creativity, he stays. CDR is best suited, in my opinion, as a 6th man giving energy and leading the offense on the second unit. When Harris sits, you bring in CDR to keep pressure on the offense, but Kiki has no clue and has bigger issues with personalities. I mean, come on, Yi is enough for him to worry about.
CDR is kind of like Allen Iverson
in that he’s absolutely unwilling to change (even though he should), isn’t gonna beat around the bush (even though he should), and can’t move on from his former glory (his high scoring average early on).
And CDR is a guy who tweets, “another 20 point night for me, yes yess”. For a guy some people label to be an ultimate competitor who wants to win, you have to ask, who does he want to win? The team or CDR?
He likes to score and he likes to get his. Defense, playing within the system, doing the little things be damned. Look at TWill, he’s a slasher too. Was in the doghouse earlier too. What did he do? He didn’t moan constantly, he improved his played and earned his playing time.
What has CDR done LATELY to earn playing time? Has he been making good use of the minutes he’s given? Answers me that before you go touting that he should be playing more
Terrence is doing the things that Kiki wants him to do; he stated the following: “I tried to come here and use the same game that I used in college, but my shot wasn’t falling. I had to re-evaluate myself as a player and change my game to moreso going to the hole, but still do the other little things that I do and love to do, as far as, like, passing, playing D and rebounding.” CDR needs to get back to basics. It’s not always about the flashy plays or trying to get Kobe or LeBrons admiration.
What's in a name?
If CDR was known as Chris Roberts he would not get this kind of unwarranted attention.
Somehow the nickname CDR gives Roberts most of his appeal.
He was drafted #40 because he does not have an NBA caliber game, heck, he don’t even have a position.
A lot of good college players never truly make it in the NBA.
If he was smart he would start looking atr the positives instead of focusing on all the negatives.
Maybe he should pursue his talk show career. Sure has the ability to talk. LOL
@ muwu – Yes, I understand where you’re coming from, but look at Stephen Curry and Roy Hibbert.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 11, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions
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