Could Harris and Wall Play Together?
by Net Income on Mar 9, 2010 11:02 AM EST
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PrintA few weeks back, with Devin Harris still playing hurt, conventional wisdom among basketball pundits was that the Nets would have to trade Harris if they got the first pick--and John Wall--in the draft. Harris has looked more like his All-Star self of late, averaging 21.8 ppg in March after going for 20.3 ppg and 9.3 apg in February. He's even shooting 38.1% from deep this month.
Sports Illustrated, in handicapping the best landing spots for Wall, still thinks the Kentucky guard would complicate things for the Nets. "Sure, New Jersey is threatening to become the worst team in history and any infusion of talent is welcome at this point," writes Frank Hughes. "But drafting Wall would hasten the departure of Harris, whose disappointing season means the Nets likely wouldn't get equal value in return."
What about playing them together--if the Nets get lucky? There's some in the Nets front office who would like to try that combination out and see what it looks like. Of course, who plays the point would be the issue....but a nice issue.
- Projected top pick John Wall may be hard fit for lottery teams - Frank Hughes - Sports Illustrated
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Even if they could
with the number of combo guards/wingmen we have it’d make more sense to move Harris, since he has the highest cost and he’s been injury prone the last few years, (and if he was that injury prone for his 23-26 seasons what’s he going to be like for his 27-30 seasons), to fill the front court hole if Wall proves he can hold down the job by the trade deadline.
That being said I’d still rather have Turner.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Hmmm
Why do people assume John Wall won’t be injury prone? Take a look at that picture. He’s a skinny 19 year old kid who will have a target on his back. There’s a lot of research out there showing kids like Wall and Harris and Wade—6’3" and under guards who drive the lane—lose a lot of games in injury. I like seeing Harris shooting three’s just like the Heat like Wade doing the same. It opens things up for them, reduces the chances of getting hammered every time they drive into the paint.
Maybe you trade Harris, but I can’t see it happening on Draft Night. No one ever knows what a kid will do in the NBA, particularly a kid who would have to play the point from day one, if indeed he does.
I don't assume he won't end up being injury prone
we just won’t have that much information by the trade deadline, and with Wall, C. Lee, T. Williams, Harris and CDR someone has to go, and Harris likely will bring back the biggest return. But like I said I wouldn’t trade him on draft night, I’d wait for Wall till at least the trade deadline, if not the 2011 draft.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Also personally
I want no part of Wall, I’m not a fan of freshmen point guards leaving early.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Most 19 yr old kids playing college bball are skinny… I don’t see evidence that Wall would be injury prone…I think you take Wall if you can. He has elite talent and is further along at this point than Turner was. I don’t trade Harris on draft night unless you get a top draft pick that you are certain can turn into a legit big man prosepct. If not you go into free agency and try to sign an elite talent and you can use Harris and Yi as trade bait for a sign and trade to bring in two studs. Failing that, just hang on to Harris and bring Wall off the bench his rookie year.
Turner broke his back...
Evan Turner broke his back not too long ago…can that come back as a chronic condition? No one knows but sinc ehe did break it, it is quite possible…
I agree...
I get very nervous with John Wall being our savior. We already have plenty of guards.
I would love to take a chance on Cousins or Favors or even Whiteside if he comes out..
I’m tired of all these little guys…
Turner could work though.
Turner would be a great fit for not only the players we have on the team now but for our prospective free agents. Athletes like Gay, Lee, Boozer or Stoudemire would be great fits next to a cerebral player like Turner.
New collective bargaining agreement is simple. Give small markets a larger share of the national tv revenue sharing pie, limit MLE's to teams under the lux tax threshold, allow owners to terminate one deal every other year provided players have played at least 3 years on it and limit raises to 5 and 10%
This Article is Nonsense
Why do you assume “the other team” would pick Wall, if Nets get the #2 pick.
I predict that by draft night, Turner would be at least a 50-50 chance for #1 pick, depending on team.
Turner would already be college player of the year and a possible Final Four appearance for Ohio State.
The fact that Turner recovered so fast from a back fracture, is a good sign. I would assume they would be able to have a physical ahead of time, but I don’t recall that happening with Blair last year.
Why Wall...
We alreadyl have the seven dwarfs.
Harris = Dopey
C. Lee = Bashful
CDR = Grumpy
T-Will = Sleepy
Dooling = Doc
Hassel = Sneezy
Quinn = Happy
by M I K E on Mar 9, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
LOL!
New collective bargaining agreement is simple. Give small markets a larger share of the national tv revenue sharing pie, limit MLE's to teams under the lux tax threshold, allow owners to terminate one deal every other year provided players have played at least 3 years on it and limit raises to 5 and 10%
Best comment i've ever seen here in Netsdaily..
LOL
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
Normally
You draft the best player available. It’s unanimous, Wall would be the #1. Maybe fate will make it easier for us and we get the #2. Either way, having too much talent is a good problem.
Is it really unanimous that Wall is better than Turner though?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Lottery is going to be too nerve racking to watch
thinking about it…i dont know if i can emotionally handle it.
I’m not as worried about the draft lottery as I was a couple months back. Lee is a darn good SG and TWill has all star potential at both PG and SF. Harris is very good also and would be better with better coaching. If we wind up with the 3rd or 4th pick, we probably take a shot at a PF who may turn out to be what we need, while our other young players progress.
Off the Wall...
I give up… O.K. we draft Wall.
Now who is going to play PF and SF.
I would rather draft Cousins and sign Lee.
Harris/Dooling
C. Lee/CDR
T-Will/Hayes/Yi?
D. Lee/Yi/Cousins
Lopez/Yi/Cousins
I'd pass on Lee
Big guys that play no D really tend to get overpaid
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 9, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I say draft cousins then sign Drew Gooden on a one year or 2 year deal at 6M.
by jasperjarrod on Mar 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or bring in Camby as a veteran Big if we are going to draft Cousins.
by jasperjarrod on Mar 9, 2010 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
All Of This Debate Proves
there are a glut of perimeter players in the NBA. This is why we’re so lucky to have Lopez, despite his struggles last night. Good big men are hard to find. Whatever moves are made need to be taken into consideration of how they affect him throughout the course of next season and for the rest of his Net career. This is why DLee needs to be made a priority, and why we need consistent outside shooting, so that Lopez can get freed up inside.
I don’t see any way Wall and Harris play together. One of them has to go. My concern is if we do happen to get Wall, we’re preparing for 2-3 seasons down the road, not today. To me, that’s unacceptable. With all we have been through as fans this season, I want a competitive team out on the floor ASAP. Wall will be a great player IMO, but he’ll be a rookie and rookies need time to learn and grow. I think we’re better off trading the #1 if should we get it, maybe as part of a sign-and trade for an FA (Gay , if his asking price is a little higher than what we’d like) or if we happen to be in the running for a bigger name.
I think it's safe to say we put the nail in the preparing for 2-3 season away
when we didn’t make any moves at the deadline. One relatively big name and a great draft likely isn’t going to be enough to turn this team around next year regardless.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
It certainly could
When healthy the Nets already have a solid supporting cast. Adding a really good free agent and a top rookie would certainly make Lopez and Harris far better fits.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 9, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
It could
but there aren’t likely to be any real good free agents worth their asking price. Guys like Bosh and Johnson are going to command max deals and their no where near worth it. So the next best option is overpaying the Rudy Gays and David Lees of the world. Really this is a bad year to drop big money in FA because there’s a good chance the new CBA will decrease player salaries and a small overpay this off-season will quickly turn into an albatross contract.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I know... I know...
Why draft Cousins/Favors and sign David Lee?
Nobody seems to have a problem with so many little guards but when it comes to big men some how Lopez is enough. I would rather have more good big men and keep the guards we already have. Guards are a dime a dozen, good big men are hard to find.
Thats a true nets fan..
God if that happens we’re going to start a dynasty..
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
Lol! That will happen only if the accept at least 3 million each on their first year :)
by jasperjarrod on Mar 9, 2010 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or it could be this...
PG-Harris/Dooling/#31 pick
2G-Turner/Lee/CDR
SF-Gay, Harrington or D. Wright/TWill
PF-Amare, Bosh, Lee or Boozer/Humphries/Yi
C -Lopez/Late 1st rounder from Dallas
New collective bargaining agreement is simple. Give small markets a larger share of the national tv revenue sharing pie, limit MLE's to teams under the lux tax threshold, allow owners to terminate one deal every other year provided players have played at least 3 years on it and limit raises to 5 and 10%
What about CLee
If Wall and Harris play together, what would happen to CLee. The way he is playing lately, he seems like a pretty good player. Unlike some, he really play defense.
There's enough big men with upside in this draft
the we could use our first pick on Turner or Wall, and still get a quality project type with the mavs pick, or trade up a little with the mavs pick and our second round pick to get one. Big men with upside are a dime a dozen in every NBA draft. Or make a trade for a semi established one with our excess of talented combo guards/wingmen at the deadline. Or if someone like Favors, Whiteside, Monroe or Montiejunas falls even trade a future first rounder to move up and get one. There’s no reason to reach for a project big man when they’re a dime a dozen in every NBA draft.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Why do we post
articles like this. I said it countless times before, I don’t like talking about something that has a 75% chance of failing, thats just not good business. Further more, I want to keep Devin Harris. Whether he’s coming around or not is up for debate, what is known is that he is a better player now, and will be for the next 2-3 years than John Wall. Lastly, after watching some more NCAA in prep for the tourney, i really think Evan Turner is the more complete player. He is bigger, so if we need to shuffle him to the 3, he can try that position out, Wall would get murdered. The more i watch Turner play, the more I’m high on him over wall. He’ll be an impact player right out of the package. I think Wall has been propped up by media outlets, and the NBA.
I think it's a lot more likely that Turner
will play sg in the NBA than sf.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Probably, but the SF position isn’t out of the question. I think he has the size.
by Eternalthrone on Mar 9, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
He has the size
but against NBA small forwards he won’t match up as well, on either side of the ball, as he will against NBA sg’s. He has the ball handling to be a shooting guard so it seems like it would make more sense to stick him at the position were his size and length will give him an advantage on both sides of the ball, where as he’ll be closer to the undersized size at sf.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Lead guard with lottery pick
Hopefully the 1 or 2. If we can get Wall I really think we found the next Wade-like player. Then later in the first round we should look for a Taj Gibson type for defense.
I have to disagree with Wall being overrated. There is so much obvious talent, if the Nets pass up on him it will be the next Kobe bryant scenario, only with Jerry West not orchestrating.
I agree he has obvious talent
I just think point guards who leave early struggle way more at the next level than other positions. They can usually dominate in NCAA because of their talent but when they face more seasoned veteran, and often larger back courts, they seem to get lost/struggle because they haven’t developed the mental aspects of their game enough and actually being able to run and execute an offense well enough.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Can’t go wrong with Turner either, but if we strike out in the lottery to the tune of the number 3 pick or worse i don’t know what i’ll do. start another NBA is rigged campaign?
That's my plan
I’ve got my pitch fork and torch ready to storm where ever Stern’s HQ is.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
though you'd think if they were going to rig it
they’d rig it in our favor since Prokhy and our move to Brooklyn seems to be a pretty huge deal financially to the NBA.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Rookie point guards certainly can have an impact their rookie year. D Rose rookie of the year and Evans wil win it this year. John Wall is projected to be better than both.. Have to take him if they land the top pick. Bye bye Harris and your turnovers and poor shot selection…
Evans isn't a point guard though
he plays sg almost exclusively for the kings, at the most he’s a combo guard. And Rose had a nice rookie year, but since then has he really been anything special. I mean fi 3 years after we pick him he’s putting up the current numbers Rose is, are we going to be blown away? Or is it a huge improvement over what we already have, the combination of T-will/Harris. Yeah he can score but he doesn’t seem to be running the offense particularly well or make his team mates better, and we already have 314141 back court players that can score? Another example is Conley, remember the huge hype surrounding him after his freshmen campaign.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Get the top pick, trade down and get Turner and Rubio
So here’s my wacky scenario (it will never happen, but would be great if it did):
Basic premise: Nets get the number 1 pick, Minnesota gets the number 2 pick. In that scenario, I would love for Nets to trade down to the number 2 pick in exchange for the rights to Ricky Rubio (and we could give Minnesota our other Number 1 pick as well). With the number 2 pick (obviously) we draft Turner and, along with Rubio, our backcourt is set for the next 10 years.
Now what to do with Harris? How about we use Harris as bait to land A’mare Stoudemire? We all know A’mare is leaving Phoenix, but how about a sign and trade in which Harris (and his $8 million salary) goes to Phoenix and Stodemire comes to the Nets on a max deal . When the dust settles, Harris becomes the heir apparent to (then 37 year old) Steve Nash, we get Stoudemire, and still have approximately $14 million under the cap (to go after Gay?)
Admittedly, this is all fantasy land stuff, but hey, that’s the fun part right?
Why trade for Amare?
If Amare wants to play for the Nets we can get him for free.
Then we can trade Harris for something else.
I really don’t think we need a stud PF. We don’t need Amar’e taking offense away from Brook, plus his defensive motor has always been in question.
Agreed
We need a defensive/rebounding minded power forward, we already have an offense first big man.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
why in the world
would you want Rubio. I think you’d be hard pressed to show me any evidence he’s a great player. He already seems a bad teammate with a sense of entitlement, and hes not proven anywhere else other than euro league bball. Enough with the Rubio talk. I think the guy is a premature bust…but, I’ll gladly eat crow if I’m wrong. But fresh crow, not the stuff you find on Rt 287
What if MN wants Turner too? I sure would if I had a top PG already with Rubio as a backup.
You would be losing out on Turner, by getting “cute”
This is all media propaganda to assume that Wall will be more valuable than Turner.
LeBron, ESPN and others have ulterior motives for pushing Wall.
At best this Wall vs. Turner debate will become a tossup and then the best fit for the team becomes important.
Take Turner if he is available – period.
He can play 3 positions (he is a PG this year to get experience) but he should play most of his minutes at SG.
What me worry...
What would happen if come draft night, we have the #1 pick, but because of a mix up in the war room, we go over the 15minute time limit?
I’m a life long Nets fan, so I worry about this stuff. LOL
lol dude same here
it seems like no matter how low the bar is for the mets, they always find something to do to make it lower.
btw the mets have an awesome sbn blog here called Amazin Avenue
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Mr. Thorn... Tear this Wall down.
I wonder what Proky thinks, about building this team around a Wall.
I’m not convinced that wall is the surefire top pick. All depends on how Ohio State and Kentucky fare in tourney. If turner leads osu to championship and Kentucky is knocked out early on the tide will turn. Also the versatility of turner is going to be in demand. For us getting the second or third pick in draft could be a win. Turner or Favors are better fits for us than Wall. You don’t trade a pg of Harris’ caliber and trust team to rookie. Harris when not forced to carry the load is very effective.
by Ryan243 on Mar 9, 2010 1:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Problems..
It’s funny that the nets have a lot of problems.. Right now problem winning games.. after the season.. drafting players.. and when our owner is approve by the NBA.. we’ll have problems spending his money.. LOL
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
It comes with the territory...
For all you young Nets fans, the Kidd, Carter, Jefferson, K-Mart years where an aberration.
Welcome to real Netsland, where anything and everything will happen.
I must start working out, take my vitamins, and say my prayers. The next few months will test my endurance and faith.
Hope to see you on the other side. Only the strong will survive.
HaHa!
Another grizzled veteran. I go back to ’91 with Kenny A., D.C. and Mookie Blaylock. How long have you been punishing yourself?
Since dinosaurs walked the earth...
I been a Nets fan since the ABA days, when the Nets were Champs.
Ever since we came into the NBA we been cursed. I believe the end of the world will come before the Nets ever win a title.
Still I love the team and will follow them over any cliff they feel like jumping over.
If nets really want to make splash though they should actively look to trade into top 5 pick with Dallas pick, our second rounder and the protected warriors first rounder. Stay committed to youth rebuilding and look to add wall/turner with our pick and favors with the second pick.
by Ryan243 on Mar 9, 2010 1:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah that's what I think is best case scenario
I’d just worry that if the Mavs pick ends up being pretty low, which at this point looks like it will, it won’t be enough to move up that high.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I’m a big cdr fan but if u get wall/turner you can include cdr with the Dallas pick and the warriors pick. It all depends on team needs who are drafting 3-5. Also for a team looking to save money or free up more cap space (Utah with knicks pick?) Trading out of top 5 pick saves guaranteed salary while gaining valuable future assets.
by Ryan243 on Mar 9, 2010 2:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Utah is an interesting team
I know they were interested in moving some of their young players. I wonder how much it would cost to pry Paul Millsap from them, I imagine a lot, he’d be a perfect fit along side Lopez.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Utah was hemmoraghing money. They may want to trade that pick simply for cost savings. With the economy and threat of lockout many teams may be happy to avoid paying guaranteed lottery contracts. Top picks make a lot more than rotation veterans. So adding a rookie to your bench may not financially make sense. And Utah is committed to millsap in future and knicks pick likely top 7 hence I identified Utah as trading partner
by Ryan243 on Mar 9, 2010 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Now Your Talking Baby!
Stay with the program and draft for youth.
There is one othe ritem to mention.
Yes it is youth by staying in the drasft.
But it is also very good talent if we can land both D.Cousins and W.Johnson.
The Nets are loaded with future picks along with the ability to add Yi and J.Boone in the mix for a higher pick.
Minnesota would bite on Yi plus two future number one picks for their pick.
Do We Need Turner
When we already have TWill? To be fair, IDK much about Turner, but it seems their games are similar, if not the same. I’m high on TWill being a major player off the bench (a 6th man that can play multiple positions). My other concern is that we are already overloaded at the 2/3 with CDR, TWill, Hayes, Lee and even Yi, since I don’t think he’s really a 4. Convince me I’m wrong…
T-will is more likely to be the backup/future pg
Turner would be more of a sg/sf. I don’t really see how their games are similar at all. And Yi is pretty much irrelevant to the conversation cause I think most agree he won’t be any more effective at the 3 spot than the 4, since he won’t match up with the athletiscm or ball handling skills at the 3, and CDR looks to be on his way out in a trade or otherwise.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
No Turner
We don’t need Turner, however, we could use the following:
D.Cousins/PF-C C.Aldrich/C-PF W.Johnson/SF
Try to use our future picks and add J.Boone and Yi to the mix alongw ith oour Dallas pick we could move up and get maybe three top six picks.
Its time to get greedy through the draft.
Dumb Idea @ PG
The Nets do not need J.Wall.
Playing him with D.Harris is a joke and it would not work.
We need badly a staring talented PF to play next to B.Lopez.
How hard ias this to understand.
D.Cousins is the answer for the next ten years along side B.lopez.
They are the T.Duncan/D.Robinson for next ten years.
Hey Mike, you tell them !
Good defensive bigs are a needle in a hay stack and smalls are a dime a dozen. I’d be shocked if Thorn drafted a small. I wouldn’t be suprised if we got the #1 pick and traded down. Thank god you’re able to post 600 times a day cuz otherwise, I’d be reading about drafting Wall and Turner while Yi is our starting PF next year. My worst nightmare.
Formerly Mr. Big
Cousins is a liability on defense
he’s nonathletic with slow feet and a questionable motor.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I think that’s what they said about Lopez too…
by jasperjarrod on Mar 9, 2010 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but Lopez was going to play center
also no one’s expecting Lopez to be strong defensively since he’s our offensive threat. Slow feet at center is completely different from slow feet triyng to play against NBA power forwards, especially if you’re not going to be the main man on offense. We can live with Lopez’s so-so defense because of the position he plays and his contributions on offense. Cousins isn’t going to be able to fill the same role, which is another reason why we shouldn’t take him because a lot of people think his lack of athleticism is going to force him to move to center. Also Lopez had well developed offensive post moves, Cousins has no post moves and mostly just overpowers smaller front courts.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Plus how hard is it to understand
drafting turner and then moving up for a pf, or taking a pf with one of the other picks?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Rather Get A Proven Veteran
Like DLee. I think he can play “D”, he’s just out of position at the 5. We can trade draft picks for good bench players. Frankly, I’m not in the mood to wait for this team to rebuild for the next 3 years. This season was hard enough to bear. If we can get DLee, Gay, and trade our #1 and a few other picks along with Yi (please, if there is GOD!) for decent bench talent, then I’m all for it. We don’t need all that young talent at this point. Even if we added Gay and DLee, our oldest starter would be 27 come next season. It’s not like we’re an aging team.
Trade Down?
Draft J.Wall and then trade him to Minnesota for their pick along with the rights to R.Rubio.
With our Minnesota pick draft D.Cousins/PF
Then trade R.Rubio rights to Sacramento for their pick and draft W.Johnson/SF
Stud Studden is a Habit.
Pimp on Me.
Wow!
2010 Nets Starting Lineup
PG/D.Harris
SG/C.D.Roberts
SF/W.Johnson
PF/D.Cousins
C/B.Lopez
2010 Nets Bench Rotation
PG/K.Dooling
SG/C.Lee
SF/T.Wiliams
PF/K.Humphries
C/???
(Maybe Put Togetther Another Draft Deal to Get C.Aldrich)
Can You Say BYE-BYE-BYE To Yi & Boone
I sure can………..
CDR starts???!??!
Dude, Courtney Lee is playing out of his mind…why, WHY would he not start over CDR?
CDR/C.Lee
You need balance with your scoring.
The big three in the starting unit would be D.Harris/B.Lopez/W.Johnson
The big three in the second unit would be K.Dooling/C.Lee & Everyody else stepping up and contributing.
With the second unit C.Lee could be the main go to guy to help with the balance attack of ten guys playing.
Sort of like J.Terry with Dallas.
Starting with all your scorers is not the way you win.
You need balance and this gives it to us.
Thanks for the back handed compliment. LOL
I get paid for every intelligent comment I post.
I’m $500.00 in the red today. Oh well…
Make it $520.00,
You Are Welcome
I want some of the $500.00 in the red for future cocktails at the new Barclay Center.
Since you are making so much money on the Nets, I would like a portion of it.
A Great day Thursday at the groundbreaking.
Go Brooklyn Nets!
Gina since you have all the answers
tell me ALL the good defensive PFs in college.
Favors and Whiteside are pretty solid
but whiteside is a complete project on the offensive side of the ball. to me if we end up taking big man in the top 4 picks it should be favors.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Whiteside is s center and too much of a project. I like packaging to move up and go turner and favors. But we need strong coaching staff. And id keep Roy rogers as big man coach to keep working with brook and favors.
by Ryan243 on Mar 9, 2010 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
25% Chance of landing Wall
Folks, that means we have a 75% chance of NOT landing Wall. Pretty good odds that we DON’T get Wall, so all this talk is baloney. Do we still have scouts, or did THE RAT fire all of them to cut costs? If we do have any scouts, they should be figuring out who the 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks are in the draft, since we already know who would be number one. There are 48 minutes in a game, and no point guard should play more than 35, if defensive intensity matters. A three guard rotation of Devin, Wall and Lee would be pretty strong for five or six years, but again, WE ARE NOT GETTING WALL. 75% chance of it.
Paul
Delray Beach, FL
by DelrayBeachPaulie on Mar 9, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions
Lol according to some of Nets incomes post
, before the switch to sbn so I don’t know if those posts are still around, Ratner did end up firing a huge portion of the front office staff. So who knows whether or not we have scouts at this. But yeah have less than a 50% chance of getting the #1 or #2 pick.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I wouldn't take Wall with the top pick to begin with
Evan Turner all the way, baby.
We have several young wings, but we need a true star wing. Lee is a nice role player, TWill wants to be a PG, and CDR could be a nice scoreer off the bench. Indeed, I would look at adding another wing who can shoot. I like Mike Miller.
PG: Harris/ Williams
SG: Lee/ CDR
SF: Turner/ Miller
I strongly believe that Turner could play a similar role to that VC used to play here. That would help Deivn a lot. You don’t move an AS like Devo yet. He’s entering his prime years, give him some help and he’ll be great. He’s already playing at a high level. All that took for him to paly at that level again was Lee’s hot shooting and TWill’s playmaking ability at his best.
Log Jam
The Nets have too many small players.
Lee DH CDR TWill
The question should be which one of these 4 players will be traded.
There is very little top tier talent at PF in the draft.
DH needs to be traded, he is not a PG and too much of a Diva. He has not been the leader this team needed either.
Wall seems to be a better passer than DH, but so is TWill.
Getting rid of DH will free up salary to sign a legitimate NBA PF and to sign Brook Lopez in 2 years
Harris contract declines in value as he ages. Dealing Harris really doesn’t make sense. He’s an all star when a third option. Plus he’s battled injuries all year affecting his numbers.
by Ryan243 on Mar 9, 2010 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the injuries are a reason to trade him though
He’s missed 16+ games the last 3 years I believe, if he’s been that injury prone now, how injury prone will he be as he gets older? obviously it depends entirely on what you could get back for him though I wouldn’t advocate trading him just to trade him.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Understand the injury argument but you need his veteran presence. Also you don’t want to turn the season over to a rookie pg with such a young team. If anything deal him at deadline or following summer but not before.
by Ryan243 on Mar 9, 2010 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah I would never say trade him draft night
I mean trade him either at the deadline, if Wall has already proved he can fill his shoes, or wait till the following draft. But really I just would rather them pick Turner than Wall to begin with.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
So Gina
You come up with 2 good defensive PFs (they both aren’t that good and you didn’t even mention the best one) and think we are going to trade up to get one of them. You realize with your statergy, unless we sign D.Lee, your likely going with Yi as your starting PF next year.
I we can also trade for a power forward
from our excess of backcourt players, or pick one with our other 3 picks, or hell use all 3 other picks on them. Plus it’s not like we’re going to be particularly competitive next year either I don’t think it really matters at this point who the starting pf is as long as they have some sort of long-term option behind them, which can easily be acquired with 4 total picks in this years draft. Cousins himself isn’t a guarentee to even stick at pf, a lot of people think he’s going to have to move to center in the nba because his lack of athleticism won’t match up well against NBA 4’s.
And what about Favors isn’t that good? For every question mark he has Cousins has more.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
The questions surrounding favors relates to being raw offensively. Defensively and rebounding aren’t questioned. That fits perfectly with brook, devin, and turner or wall on floor. Nets are put together to not need scoring from pf. They need d and rebounding and an outside shooting wing.
by Ryan243 on Mar 9, 2010 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you can't beat them...
My last post of the day, I promise!
Maybe we can start another NBA league with players 6’7" and under.
The SNBA (Short National Basketball Association)
Then we can draft all the midgets we want and the heck with PF’s.
Of course Brook Lopez will have to play on his knees.
Adios…
Killer
check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ajaaDDjT8
Turner looks like a monster waitin to be unleashed dribblin with his eyes closed. In my mind, this kid has something that Wall doesn’t have.
I like Andres’ idea of drafting Turner and pickin up another good wing shooter in Mike Miller.
Harris/Twill/ Dooling
CLee/CDR
Turner/Miller/Hayes
Pick up DLee, grab another big in the draft, and maybe another PG
I think heart is the most underrated aspect of a player’s ability to be a good pro. The star players have the heart/killer attitude (MJ, Bird, Magic, Lebron, Kobe, Kidd, Wade, etc). To come back from a fractured back and absolutely dominate when you come back speaks volumes about this kid. Turner will be a successful pro. Is he the next Brandon Roy? Maybe.
The more I think about things and this team though….I have to say that if we get the 1st or 2nd pick – I think you have to go with Turner. We need that kind of guy on this team – a guy who is going to be an all around player and mesh well with the players we have. Watching John Wall – I get the sense that he could quickly become a problem if he is not the featured guy on the team, not always be receptive to coaching, etc.
Yet I am really starting to find myself in the Derrick Favors camp. I am looking forward to him vs UNC Thursday night on ESPN in the first round of ACC Tourney.
I would love to trade up and get favors
And if we end up with the 3rd or 4th pick I won’t be heart broken to land him if we can’t get Turner.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Question about Favors
Ryan243
all Ive see from Favors this years have been games earlier on in the year. Why is it that you’re becoming a fan of the kid?? All I remember from earlier in the year was his rawness and the trouble that he was gettin from college D.
Is he making significant improvements? If so, what are they??
And I agree with your point about Turner having heart, good character, and being coachable. All of those things are very much underrated.
The heart and character of Dejuan Blair is what intrigued me about him in last years draft. Before I joined the “he’s got no knees bandwagon”, he was my top pick for #11. T-will struck me as a guy who could be coached and had good work ethic. His character did not worry me much, his athleticism and potential remains very high, and his talent was very nice and versatile (although not up to the level that Turner has this year).
Turner is such a great prospect because (to me) he has everything you want in someone that you’re drafting. He’s coachable, got the heart, character, leadership, versatility, work ethic, killer instinct, and high potential (although such potential may not be as high as Wall’s)
Scenarios I like...
If we draft WALL
Harris/Wall
Clee/Twill
Gay/CDR
Scola/Hump
Brook/Yi
If we draft TURNER
Harris/Dooling
Clee/Twill
Turner/CDR
Dlee/Hump
Brook/Yi
If we draft FAVORS, COUSINS, OR WHITESIDE
HArris/Dooling
Clee/Twill
Gay/CDR
Favors, Cousins, Whiteside/HUMP
Brook/Yi
Option 2
Option 2 is a dream…You might even consider putting Scola in place of DLee there.
Scola has proven that he can do a lot with a subpar cast in Houston, but they also have a very underrated coach in Rick Adelman. Hopefully the Nets get a great coach this summer as well.
If we nab Scola in FA this summer, our front court is pretty damn sick. And the addition of Turner, don’t get me started….LOL
I don't think the cast of Houston is really subpar
I think they pour a lot of money into stats and research and find underrated/valued players so it seems like they’re doing a lot with nothing. That being said Scola is almost 30, and for a team that’s a year or two from competing it doesn’t really make sense to invest a lot of money in a player his age.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
He would definitely help us be competetive
Scola plays so hard and he’s definitely in good shape right now. 30 is prime age and he would definitely tremendously help in training a PF that we may get in the draft this year.
When it comes to the point of where we are really competing, he could be very serviceable off the bench as he is playing at a very high level now and should be over the next 3-4 years.
He can be gotten cheaper than DLee…that’s for sure.
Yeah if he would sign for less than 8 million
then I’d be all over him, but not for much more than that.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
well...
he’ll most definitely be cheaper than DLee and he’s known more for defense than DLee…
While he doesn’t put up the points and rebound numbers DLee buts up…he definitely is a very capable scorer and rebounder. Although there is such a thing as a bad rebounding night for him,
in his past three games he’s had:
(1) 20 pts and 15 rebounds
(2) 20 and 21
(3) 19 and 18
you also gotta think about how well, he held down the paint the various times Yao has been sidelined. Over the past few years, his hustle has been invaluable to them. He’s known for good defensive rotations and good help defense.
Put him next to Brook and he could be a good teacher on defense for who comes off the bench for him and maybe he can even give Brook some good pointers. Scola has done some damage to Duncan in the past. He’s a good player and if DLee is looking to be overpaid, you could easily look to Scola and see a better overall value since he’s better on both ends of the court.
correction
Scola is not better on both ends…but rather better for good work on both ends of the court.
I totally agree he's better on both ends
the problem is at his age it just doesn’t make sense to make an expensive long-term investment in him. 30 is prime age, which is really isn’t for a front court player, but if we’re giving him a 4-5 year contract the majority of that money will be for his 31,32,33, 34 year old seasons. That’s not exactly a wise investment if you’re talking about 10+ million a year.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Wall and Harris in the backcourt together could be a recipe for disaster, and of course, the Nets would be stupid enough to ponder such an idea. Who is going to defend the 2 guard spot??
Evan Turner. Plays defense. Ungodly offensive skills. He’d be a much better fit.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
And he'll match up really well against NBA two-guards
because of his length.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Only thing that scares me with Turner is is back. If we get the #1 pick Nets should check with Minnesota if they are interested in aquiring Wall for their 3 first round picks and on of their second :)
Tough Power Forward
We need a real pf who can score the rock consistently, and play some defense. period
by Barry from Brooklyn on Mar 9, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions
I Wish we have 2 top 6 pick.
If Nets decided to pass on Wall and we have 2 picks on the top 6 I would like them to take this 2 bigs. DCousins and DFavors.
by jasperjarrod on Mar 10, 2010 6:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Derrick Rose
John Wall is very similar to Derrick Rose and Rose has been successful in the NBA. A guy like Turner you can’t really compare to anyone who has recently come in to the NBA and IMO all-around guys (except for really exceptional players and Turner maybe one of them) don’t become stars in the NBA. The NBA is a league of specialists…
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