TWill Finally Showing His Promise
by Net Income on Mar 6, 2010 8:31 AM EST
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PrintTerrence Williams will have to wait until next week before getting recognition for his exploits against Cleveland, Washington and Orlando this week. Right now, he's ranked #29 in ESPN's weekly rookie rankings and getting no recognition at all in the NBA.com rankings. But since last weekend, he's shown he could become the player the Nets hoped they were getting when they took him at #11 back in June. In the last three games, he's made good use of the new burn he's gotten off the bench. In 25 minutes per game, TWill has averaged 16 points, 4 assists and 3.3 rebounds, while shooting 53.3% (16-30) overall and a surprising 57.1% (4-7) from downtown. He's even improved his foul shooting, hitting 76.9% (10-13) this week. Against Cleveland, he had the best game of his short career, with 21 points, seven assists, five rebounds.
More important than the raw numbers, Williams has improved his shot selection, his defense and his confidence while still showing off his athleticism. He's thrown down some spectacular dunks both in the open court and on darts down the lane. He's still turnover prone, giving the ball away five times in that Cleveland, but the Nets can live with that for now.
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Yeah he is turn over prone… But you cann tell he is really trying out there. In rele starting to like him… Hopefully he continues getting the mintues and a start before the season ends.
by Andy. on Mar 6, 2010 9:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Still Waiting for Apologies
As I say each week and say again, I don’t waste time looking at ESPN evaluations of Nets players.
TWill was taken about right with the 11th pick (maybe even higher). If only Kiki would be a better coach he should have been giving TWill more minutes as soon as he started playing better after the 2 game punishment. He should have been playing 30 minutes a game for a while, and finishing all close games in the 4th quarter. TWill needs to learn to succeed in pressure situations.
Kiki’s attitude with Yi is that it’s Okay to lose games as long as his project – Yi – makes progress. Kiki should have same attitude with TWill.
Besides SF, TWill has the potential to be a backup PG next year, which could mean that Nets could buy out Keyon Dooling without suffering consequences next year. At best, any new coach would use Yi as a Sub next year.
Fire Kiki!
Hollah!
Not True
Kiki’s inconsistent coaching policy has A Lot to do with it.
Kiki has demonstrated that he is willing to take losses to make team better, but he is only willing to develop 1 player for those losses.
I liked the initial idea of have Kiki coaching, because as GM, he could develop team, without playing expiring contracts.
Winning was not a priority this season. Also, you’re talking after the fact that Twill is getting more minutes. You can’t re-write history to fit your argument. Kiki is developing Twill. I know it’s hard to give Kiki credit, you’re conflicted.
TWill is developing slower than if Kiki was giving him more PT. It was much more obvious that TWill had potential than his “main” project. TWill should have been in many game ending pressure situations by now. Thorn will need to know by end of season, what to expect from TWill for the future. This could impact on the draft and free agency decisions (eg whether to go after Rudy Gay).
Kiki’s “main” project that you like to repeat, took 5 shots last game and a few of them were dump offs late in the shot clock. I know it’s easy to blame with your eyes close. But it’s Rat and Thorn that decided to dump this season for cap and picks. If Kiki was in charge, you think he would put himself in the hot seat as coach?
Twill had a stretch where he was terrible and Kiki as rookie coach is also to blame for that. But I really don’t see the favoritism that you like to peddle on this forum. Twill doesn’t compete for minutes with Yi, get off the blame game. Twill is getting playing time over CDR, who is in decline recently. Also, some of C. Lee’s minutes due to injury.
ESPN's rankings...
…mean nothing. ESPN is nothing more than a fraudulent hype machine.
Anyway, T-Will is finally beginning to break out. Not bad for a “blown draft pick” eh?
He needs to start at small forward. Enough of this nonsense. Kiki is making me sick.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
This is just a prove that when A PLAYER has a good game or two, we want to make him a starter and a cornerstone of the team, remember last week’s game of DH and what was said about him, the fact is this team is so bad to the point that if any player has a good game or two he becomes the teams star, to say a player is good or worthy of a starting job or a star, we have to see consistancy over a few months at least if not a whole season, but this team is so pathetic and I guess it needs a shot in the arm whenever we see one.
His turnovers are not a big issue I guess since DH is worse as the captain.
Starting isn’t important. Finishing IS. TWill has been playing Well since 2 day “suspension” long ago. I don’t care about his shooting percentages, for a rookie.
It makes little sense to be wasting likely losses with Hassell and Hayes getting PT at SF. CDR should get most of his time at SG (CDR should be working on his outside shooting for next year).
Considering the options, there is no one else who deserves lots of PT at SF.
TWill should appreciate playing for a team without any good SFs . He wouldn’t get much PT on many teams.
Nets have worse Forwards in History of NBA. It was even worse before Nets got Humphries and TWill started playing better.
Consistency is the name of the game
Playing well and with the right attitude for one week doesn’t mean anything. Just look at former picks Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, Zoran Planinic… all showed flashes of brilliance. The bottom line is that Terrence has amassed a horrific 8.95 PER over the course of the season, which ranks 33rd out of the 36 rookies to play this season (he is in the top ten in turning the ball over though!) Is it too early to call him a bust? Maybe. Maybe not.
The ESPN Rookie Rankings might not mean anything, but the numbers don’t lie. The Nets could’ve done a lot better in last year’s draft.
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by ben_gleicher on Mar 6, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Minute Man
Its all about minutes with ANYONE… give him minutes and he will produce. He is too athletic to not produce.
My absolute favorite part of the Orlando game last night, was that on the court, during a play, I cant remember what Net it was, it was a guard though… the guard made a tough drive and layup, and Twill really celebrated with a hockey style gliding fist pump. It was really great to see some enthusiasm, especially on this team.
PS. I am really digging the ability to do bold and italics! Also the giant post pictures are awesome as well!
easy does it.
Let’s not get carried away: he is essentially playing gargabe time as the Nets are not really competing and not challenging teams defensively. His points and play are not under any kind of pressure. You can see what he might become, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. No team is setting up any kind of d against him. When the scouting report catches up then we will see what kind of player he is. Remember, Yi had great games, until they started to defend him. Now he is a tower of jello.
by oman8 on Mar 6, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
TWill has ability (unlike Yi) to get off shot in the paint at any time because of his leaping ability (similar to MJordan). He is actually trying to hold himself back, per Kiki and Thorn orders. With a better team (eg with DLee and ETurner), he would have more lanes to the basket, and would be scoring more easily.
Even when Yi was “playing well” he was hurting rest of team and wasting playing D.
Any player can have a hot outside shooting night. That’s expected in NBA.
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by ben_gleicher on Mar 6, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This season is all about development...
Terrence is indeed developing at his own speed. I love how versatile he is. It’s all coming together for him.
Hey, anybody like triple doubles? I do!
Twill zip...
Anybody notice that (even if they’re occasionally like hot potatoes) Twill’s passes have “zip” on them? Almost like the receiver is surprised that a guy is throwing a laser on a 6-win team? Almost like they have purpose? Almost like a Quarterback?
Almost like they are coming from a real point guard?
I do.
He's a good passer, but the turnovers kill him most of the time.
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by ben_gleicher on Mar 6, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Point guards typically make the most turnovers. Rookie PGs make more. Part of the learning curve. I think TWill could develop into a great point forward. He has something special on his passes. I can live with mistakes for now. I just love to watch him play, just as I did lopez last year. I knew the was something big happening.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Mar 6, 2010 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You make a good point.
But in order for him to be a “great” anything, he has to learn how to shoot the basketball… The last 5 games notwithstanding, a Terrence Williams jumper might as well have been a turnover. He’s bricked his way to a 44% TS%. My 17 year old blind cat could do better.
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by ben_gleicher on Mar 6, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Turnovers are part of the process
I don’t expect all rookies to set the world on fire. I’m glad T-Will is getting the time, there is no better season for it. T-Will gives us what we wish we could get from Devin Harris. A couple more solid games and he’ll be on my fantasy radar
TWill must be incredibly strong to fire one-handed line drive passes off the dribble chest high like on a rope. Once his teammates learn to expect them and he learns when/where they need them, it could be awesome.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Mar 6, 2010 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I only hop on the "Glimmer of hope" bandwagon
Which also means after watching Yi play minutes that are undeserved, some of us fans deserve a windmill dunk and pretty assists.
YORK and JERSEY
i really hope he plays well against new york tonight.. hopefully we can win..
we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..
Wesley Johnson on ESPN now
Syracuse playing Louisville now.
Wes Johnson could still be Nets best #4 pick (for SF) if he starts playing better, since his injury.
He will be 23 this summer, but is probably more valuable than any present Net except BLopez.
He would make it unnecessary to get RGay.
Syracuse Loses
I doubt Wesley is going to merit a top 4 pick, but still don’t know who would be best #3/#4 pick without considering Cousins and playing Brook at PF? I expect the Mock Drafts will change drastically but NBADraft.net seems more current.
Groan
You either accept that progress is the team’s most important product or you’re don’t. Starting Hassell is nuts in the current context. He’s not coming back. He’s not going to be a difference maker.. Rather than get lost in TWill’s season PER numbers, I rather prefer an old aphorism: “sink or swim”.
If he makes it, fine. If he doesn’t, you know where you stand with him. He’s shown some skills but has been inconsistent as well as immature. What are we supposed to do, accept the PER as some predictor of his career and give up on him or let him play? He’s a rookie. The sample is small.
As one Russian once wrote, “The more we live by our intellect, the less we understand the meaning of life”. That’s Tolstoy, not Prokhorov, but I’ll take wisdom where I can find it.
When you look at Williams in the context of the Nets, he looks really good.
That’s because the other players in at his position – Hayes, Simmons, Hassell – shouldn’t even be in the league. Williams is way far away from being a good NBA player, but for Nets fans he looks fantastic next to the other options.
It’s my belief that if they go ahead and toss him in the water now, he WILL sink. He doesn’t appear to have the maturity or the skills to be successful right now. I feel it is better to wait, have him develop as a person and a player, and then send him into the lake. By playing him big minutes now, he’ll be set up to fail.
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The worst that could happen is the Nets lose the game with him playing.
What else would be new?
Remember he was a starter and played Big minutes (due to injuries) at the beginning of the season and many Nets fans were saying he was worthy of a top 5 draft pick, at that time. Then he got cocky and got carried away. He is under control now – Right TWill?
Another quote form another Russian that seems to hit home this season...
“To live without hope is to cease to live.” -Fyodor Dostoyevsky
I’m going to enjoy T-Wills lessons in Dunkenomics and continue to hope for the best.
T.Will just above average games
I certainly understand all the hipe around this kid, our perimeter players are all below average except DH and Dooling are average, wait and see if they start defending him, what’s he going to do, CDR faded away when he started to get the other team’s best defender ‘single coverage’. But I guess we are scraping bottom at this point and looking for a savior from this monstracity of a team, coach and season.
So does CDR
I think we have evidence for CDR also following NetsDaily.
They certainly both do now.
If you’re reading this, Kikii is going to Punish You Two Again for getting support from your fans and thus making Kiki look bad!
T-Will's horoscope, as posted on his twitter page...
Today you may be overly confident about what you can accomplish on the home front and your unrealistic expectations could set you up for failure.
For TWill
TWill:
You remind me of Michael when you drive into the Paint and elevate for a jump shot.
No one will be able to stop you!
However, listen to Kiki for now, or else you’ll be back in the Dog House.
Wipe that smile off your face TWill
If you ever want to become a star in this league, you’ll have to feel that competitive spirit like Jordan used to have and DWade has now.
T.Will's Scope + Draft Pick
@ Joe Uras
Well.. at least it’s a road game!
Well.. at least it’s a road game!@ ben_gleicher
Other than the PG’s that NJ didn’t feel they had a need for (Collison, Lawson) I see no other 1st rounders that would have clearly been a better choice than T.Will.
Well.. at least it’s a road game!@ ben_gleicher
Other than the PG’s that NJ didn’t feel they had a need for (Collison, Lawson) I see no other 1st rounders that would have clearly been a better choice than T.Will.Hansbrough – Missed much of the season, can’t finish
Taj Gibson – maybe, but he did fall to 26 so you can’t blame NJ
Casspi – probably the easiest retro-pick to make but he would have been a reach @ 11
Well.. at least it’s a road game!@ ben_gleicher
Other than the PG’s that NJ didn’t feel they had a need for (Collison, Lawson) I see no other 1st rounders that would have clearly been a better choice than T.Will.Hansbrough – Missed much of the season, can’t finish
Taj Gibson – maybe, but he did fall to 26 so you can’t blame NJ
Casspi – probably the easiest retro-pick to make but he would have been a reach @ 11Ironically there were better choices in the 2nd round, but again you may as well blame every team in the league for passing on these guys:
Well.. at least it’s a road game!@ ben_gleicher
Other than the PG’s that NJ didn’t feel they had a need for (Collison, Lawson) I see no other 1st rounders that would have clearly been a better choice than T.Will.Hansbrough – Missed much of the season, can’t finish
Taj Gibson – maybe, but he did fall to 26 so you can’t blame NJ
Casspi – probably the easiest retro-pick to make but he would have been a reach @ 11Ironically there were better choices in the 2nd round, but again you may as well blame every team in the league for passing on these guys:Blair
Thorton
Jerebko
Budinger
Well.. at least it’s a road game!@ ben_gleicher
Other than the PG’s that NJ didn’t feel they had a need for (Collison, Lawson) I see no other 1st rounders that would have clearly been a better choice than T.Will.Hansbrough – Missed much of the season, can’t finish
Taj Gibson – maybe, but he did fall to 26 so you can’t blame NJ
Casspi – probably the easiest retro-pick to make but he would have been a reach @ 11Ironically there were better choices in the 2nd round, but again you may as well blame every team in the league for passing on these guys:Blair
Thorton
Jerebko
BudingerSo really I fail to see better many, if any better 1st round choices.
Ummmm
Sorry don’t know what happened there.
I'll try that again
@ Joe Uras
Well.. at least it’s a road game!
@ ben_gleicher
Other than the PG’s that NJ didn’t feel they had a need for (Collison, Lawson) I see no other 1st rounders that would have clearly been a better choice than
T.Will.Hansbrough – Missed much of the season, can’t finish
Taj Gibson – maybe, but he did fall to 26 so you can’t blame NJ
Casspi – probably the easiest retro-pick to make but he would have been a reach @ 11
Ironically there were better choices in the 2nd round, but again you may as well blame every team in the league for passing on these guys:
Blair
Thorton
Jerebko
Budinger
So really I fail to see better many, if any better 1st round choices.
What about picks ahead of TWill
Don’t forget the Memphis and Knicks picks, who may turn out to be real busts and the #1 pick could still be a perpetual injury case.
Perhaps...
But I was only thinking of players picked after us that were available.
by Jack Handy Jr on Mar 6, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
You take the best player available. BTW Blair, Casspi, Gibson all would have filled a need.
But I would take Lawson or Collison over any of those three. It was a point guard heavy draft, weak on wings. Why take a wing?
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Shot Distribution
It is nice to see TWILL playing better and making the most of his burn. TWILL and CDR are not our problem. Our problem is shot distribution. Devin took 21 shots against Orlando. The most shots any Orlando player took against us was Rashard Lewis at 14. Devin is not shooting well this season, and he is our point guard. I am not saying we would have beaten Orlando if Devin took 30% fewer shots, but Brook needs more shots than he is getting on many nights. Devin only needs to take enough outside shots to keep the defense honest, really. We need to get better shots, and that is the point guards job to get guys better shots, not to take 21 shots a game, and make only 7.
Paul
Delray Beach, FL
by DelrayBeachPaulie on Mar 6, 2010 6:48 PM EST reply actions
I really like what I saw from him in the Orlando Summer League. If he improves his shooting stroke (26.6% outside of 10 ft this season), he's going to be an incredble player
ESPN’s David Thorpe told my colleague Eddy Rivera that Williams has the potential to be a Boris Diaw-type player, not in terms of style, but rather in terms of his ability to make a big impact across an array of statistical categories. Last night’s performance against the Magic affirmed my belief that Thorpe is right.
BTW.. How tall is T.Will?
He looks no taller than 6’4" to me.
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