Moving Devin Harris
by Net Income on Mar 20, 2010 10:11 AM EDT
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Magic Johnson thinks if the Nets get John Wall, they need to toss him the keys to car and get out the way, maybe trade Devin Harris. Not so fast, says the Nets' current point guard. Yes, he's prepared for anything, starting with the speculation about his future that will begin in earnest if the Nets win the lottery May 18. But he's also a tough competitor and wants everyone to know that picking Wall might not mean he's leaving.
"I’d like to think I can do both, depending on what the team needs," Harris said of moving to off-guard in what would be the NBA's fastest backcourt. "And I’m fine with that – as long as we’re winning. I know I can be a true point guard if need be, but I know I also have a gift for scoring the basketball as well."
He also tells Dave D'Alessandro that Wall might not turn into an all-star right away, remembering how long it took him and Chauncey Billups to learn the ropes. "Remember, the big eye-opener (for rookie point guards) is the level of talent they face every night. You get Chris Paul one night, then Deron Williams, Steve Nash--every night you’re going to face the other team’s best player."
- Harris ready to face possibility he won't be with team next season - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
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I really hope we don’t land the top pick, unless we plan to use it to grab Turner. I could care less about that ton of hype John Wall is.
That's another reason why Nets should take Evan Turner and not listen to Magic
I just hope if Nets get #2 pick, that the #1 pick doesn’t take Evan Turner too.
By June, if not sooner, I expect it to be a toss-up for Turner/Wall.
The argument that taking Wall would give you the “key” to getting LeBron is a waste of time. LeBron isn’t leaving Cleveland this year.
I agree
LeBron is staying in Cleveland for 3 more years. (not that I know that for sure) Then we’ll see…
Why 3 years? I assume 1 year with his player option. He earns his money from Advertising, not NBA salary. Winning Championship gets him 2x as much money.
The only reason he may end up not accepting his player option, is that he really likes to be wined and dined by other owners.
Why would he think he'd have a better shot winning there than anywhere else?
Cleveland is the only spot that can still resign him if they go over the cap signing other players.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
LeBron has a better chance of winning in Cleveland NEXT year. No telling after next year.
Besides, if LeBron wins championship this year and next, then he would be able to choose his next team without the need for another championship in his first year. This would be good for the Nets in 2011.
Being King of Brooklyn would be very appealing, especially if he has already won a championship or two by then.
I don't see why Harris and Wall wouldn't work together
Rose and Hinrich start together. I think that Wall does have the size and ability to guard shooting guards.Plus, can you imagine the speed of that backcourt? A backcourt with two ultra-fast ball handlers would be hell for defenders. Add TWill beside them and you have 3 ball handlers on the floor and anyone can start the fast break as well as finish it.
You have to at least try it before dismissing it. If it works, then great. If not, Harris’ trade value will still be there. You have to at least give it a shot before outright saying that it won’t. Crazier things have worked. If the Kings kept Kevin Martin I think Martin-Evans would have worked. Chuck Hayes starts at center for the Rockets and they’re fine. Rashard Lewis plays power forward.
Don’t be afraid of the unconventional. Just give it a go and see what happens
Agreed
Harris is more of a scoring point, Wall is a pure point guard, so they could work together on O, even though we’d lack 3 pt shooting. As for D, if Wall bulks up, I think he’ll be able to guard SGs, he’s super athletic.
bad example
rose and hinrich start together because hinrich can shoot, can defend sgs really well, and plays off the ball. With a line up of harris wall, and twill wouldnt the other teams just pack the paint?
by Sparklespice on Mar 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Not saying we should be playing TWill, Harris and Wall together all the time
But that would be a heck of a fastbreak lineup. If Devin Harris can regain/develop a more consistent jump shot he is a guy capable of hitting threes. Wall, while his jumper has been erratic, has shown improvement since the start of the season.
The comparison was more size-wise. I think Wall’s defense is pretty underrated. He has all the physical tools and is aggressive on defense. In addition to the large amount of steals and blocks he gets his length lets him contest a lot of shots and close out quickly
Harris and Wall
might be a bit small, but if they could make it work, the Nets might have the fastest NBA backcourt…ever.
Wall has struggling playing against quick and tenacious college PGs
Imagine him having to face the toughest NBA PGs every night?
I wouldn’t give Wall the Keys to the Nets right away. He would take time.
If Nets got the 2nd pick, and Turner was taken with the first pick, I suppose I would take Wall over Cousins, but it wouldn’t be an easy decision. In part I would take Wall over Cousins with the #2 pick, because it should then be easier to get DLee to sign on as the Nets new PF.
Maybe then, by trade deadline (when Wall was more acclimated to NBA) there would be the opportunity to trade Devin at good value.
I'm with you
How would other teams defend that backcourt? No team in the NBA could match the speed of a Harris / Wall backcourt. With TWill in that mix – we’re talking fast break after fast break. That would be a lot fun to watch – like the first few Kidd years. If Wall is the NETS pick, I hope they consider giving it a try – Devin seems willing to, if it means winning games. If it doesn’t work, then you trade one of them.
by GeoffreySchmits on Mar 20, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions
How about court vision?
Does Wall have what it takes? Devin is OK
via Draftexpress
A place where Wall might still be underrated though is in his passing ability. Not only does he rank 6th amongst all draft prospects in assists per-40 minutes pace adjusted, but more notably he ranks 8th in assists per field goal attempt ratio.
This is an interesting stat to evaluate Wall by because it compares the amount of assists he racks up with the number of shots he takes, which could be a good way to rate how unselfish he’s been. Right now he stacks up favorably in that category with the collegiate numbers posted by the likes of Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo and Ty Lawson, and absolutely blows away what Derrick Rose did as a freshman.
More important than the numbers is the fact that Wall is clearly showing excellent instincts as a passer, both with the creativity in which he gets the ball to teammates in different spots on the floor—he’s more than just a vanilla drive and dish point guard—and also with the willingness he displays to get others involved.
This is exactly what you want to see from a modern day NBA point guard—the ability to take over as a scorer and shot-creator when needed, to go along with the selflessness to want to make everyone around him better.
25% chance of getting Wall is about the same chance we have of winning 10 games. We are getting way ahead of ourselves, but if Harris could bring a major player to fill one of our many many many needs, I think that makes sense. We need a PF desperately and I am not sold on Lee and Twill as starters, so we need a shooter. We need just about everything! But Wall is the big prize and it would be horrible to go through all this losing and futility and not end up with him.
i'll sleep at night
knowing we ended up with Turner at the end of the draft…i’ll be tossin n turnin a little bit if we end up with Cousins or Favors.
Even if we don't get Harris
if T-will emerges as strong starting point guard option, and we get someone like Turner, I’d consider moving Harris to fill holes in the front court. It’s not very likely we’re going to be able to address EVERY hole through the draft and free agency and if T-will emerges and we retain Dooling it makes Harris pretty expendable, and Harris is relatively expensive and most importantly, to me at least, the guy just can’t stay healthy. I mean do we really want to depend so heavily on someone we know is going to miss 20+ games a season, not to mention as he gets older you’d expect that number to get worse. And a combination of T-will and Turner would allow you to play some nasty defense, since both can probably guard anyone in the 1-3 spot pretty well.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
we should at least give Harris and Turner a try in the backcourt.
But i really like the idea of Twill at point and Turner at the 2…or Twill at point, CLee @ 2, and Turner @ 3.
I think we have some good options with Harris, Twill, CLee, and Turner…especially if we can find another good outside shooter to spread the floor for us other than CLee.
No way
There’s no way we’re moving Harris if we get Turner, who will NOT be a PG in the NBA. I don’t think Williams will be a full time, starting PG either. Playmaking wings like TWill and Turner are excellent fit next to a scoring PG like Harris, who is the ONLY all star we have right now.
Or we can have a play making PG a scoring wing in turner
and move Harris to fill other holes. We have plenty of scoring wings now, there’s really no reason to keep Harris if he can bring value back. Especially when you consider the guy can’t stay healthy.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
also we don't even have a 25% chance of Wall it's more like 24.1%
and well under 50% chance of getting the 1 or 2 pick. The lottery is such bs.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I know...
its so damn frustrating. Its givin me a headache knowing that we’re not assured a top 2 pick. I did the lottery game last night and I got one or two 5 outta 7 times. I just wanna knock myself out and wake up when we figure out where we pick in may..
when exactly do the balls get picked again in may???
The sources I have, says it is 25.00% chance for #1
Here is the “bible” source, but you have to go way down to see the 25% figure. The number has changed at different times in the past.
Here is a simple source, that shows that 250/1000 “table tennis balls” = 25.00% chance from last year.
(I play table tennis seriously, so I don’t like the sport to be denigrated).
http://www.ajur.uni.edu/v2n3/Florke%20&%20Ecker.pdf
Harris/Wall vs. Monta/Curry… The over/under for that game would be about 400.
Regardless of how fast our back court is, without somebody playing defense, we’re not going anywhere.
And if we’re aiming for:
Wall
Harris
Gay
DLee
Lopez
like a lot of people here seem to be, we’ll have a 6-8 playoff team with a lot of fatigue and 130 ppg allowed. We need major help on defense coming from somewhere or else we’re no better than that.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Mar 20, 2010 10:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Nets have too many guards
The Nets have too many players at the PG and SG spots but no solid forward presence. TWill and CDR are overmatched by bigger SFs like Lebron,Melo,and Pierce. Turner could fill that spot. The news is Rudy Gay will stay in Memphis and Lebron is not a lock by any means. I really don’t want Al Harrington either. Also the Nets need another PF that is big and tough and still have offensive skill. The Nets can draft Wall because he’s dynamic but the real need is at forward.
The NBA has become very guard oriented and guard heavy. Young skilled bigs are harder to find. The ultimate goal is too find a tough PF that won’t take shots away from Brook but skilled enough to knock down a 15footer.
Can the Nets find “championship” players in free agency and get Wall?
Who’s gonna take DH?
Will the Nets get a PF with the Mavs pick?
After Favors, cousins,Johnson, and Turner who else can the Nets find in the 1st round?
Will Aldrich fall? Will Samhand from StMary’s break through the 1st rd?
There is NO News that RGay will stay in Memphis. Just the opposite. He is open to Knicks and Nets
As NI explained, even though Gay is restricted, other rich teams can make an offer that can’t be met.
Nets had better go after DLee for PF, if they don’t get Cousins in draft.
Nets Draft strategy seems to mirror OUR picks, so hopefully their FA strategy will also be the same.
Actually
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/mar/16/memphis-grizzlies-outgun-undermanned-chicago-bulls/
“Griz owner Michael Heisley told a group of season ticket holders that the team intends to match any offer Gay might receive as a restricted free agent this summer. Heisley spoke before the game at the team’s annual "State of the Franchise" Chalk Talk where season ticket holders could ask questions”
That is just what you would expect Griz owner to say.
Fact is that Nets offer can be so front loaded, that Griz wouldn’t be able to pay it. Do you expect him to say “no we wouldn’t match an offer”? By saying what he did, it would keep most teams away. It is Not News. If Nets don’t go after RGay it would be because they don’t want to spend 60 million plus on him right now. They may wait another year and try for LeBron.
The evidence is that Grizz already got a backup for Gay, although he is currently injured.
Evan Turner is smaller and less strong than Twill, and has like an inch on him. Size is hardly a reason to put him over TWill.
by MyNetsForLife on Mar 20, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
who's gonna take DH?
I love Devin and have absolutely no desire to trade him in any scenario. But if you want an answer to your question. Lakers straight up for Lamar Odom. Same type of money and same number of years. NETS need bigs and LA needs a younger/quicker PG. LA has already asked (low balled of course). Magic is stimulating in a selfish LA interest manner.
never thought that Magic had ulterior motives.
Reminds me of Indiana’s Danny Granger saying that LeBron should go to Knicks for his best interests.
Fortunately the fans saw through that ploy. They realize that Granger just wants LeBron out of the Central Division.
Odom for Harris
Jay-dub: I totally agree with your post. Odom would be a gread addition. We definitely need BIGS!
Everything and anything is possible
The great thing about having so many assets to work with (draft choices, young players on good contracts, cap space, owner $) is that anything is possible. The bad thing is that everything is possible so even your best players who want to stay are subject to constant speculation.
Back to the anything is possible….New Orleans is broke. CP3 is a future hall of famer. His best years may be wasted on a broke owner and a lousy team. He is signed (I think) for 3 more years. We get the #1 pick (Wall) and trade to NO for CP3 and parts to fill the deal. NO owner is happy because he can spin the trade not as a dump but a rebuild with a once in a decade draft talent at PG – and he saves nearly $10 million a year.
Devin + CP3 will definitely attract big free agents. And Devin and CP3 is a better fit as a PG/SG tandem if you ask me. And of course CP3 is not potential, he is real right now. And you still assets to make trades to get even better. Could happen in the new NBA economics.
Hmm plausible
Darren Collison is giving them 80% of what CP3 is giving them. With the weak roster they have, having CP3 is like putting top quality oil in an old pickup truck, it doesn’t need something that good.
They could use our pick to take Evan Turner.
With enough sweeteners, could be plausible. But could be hindered by the fact that New Orleans might go up in arms if they trade Paul
True DJ HeavyDuty, way too many guards right now.
I think getting a good pick would be nice, but what this team needs are a couple really good veterans. This is a young team, that will get a high draft pick almost surely. My feeling is that everything is just options for wheeling and dealing this summer. Just because they get Wall or Turner doesn’t mean anything except options for the Nets. The Nets at this moment are the worst team in NBA history, and I have a feeling most of this roster will be shipped out.
Harris, when healthy, is dangerous. Harris is a valuable asset on the court or to trade. The only safe player is Lopez, and he may lose that safety by the end of the year. The infusion of money this summer will also change things immensely. This team has some great pieces, and will have lots of options this summer.
Magic Johnson, though he was one of the greatest players of all time, is not really a great GM or coach. When he talks I don’t listen.
Magic
Magic has a condominium projeect dead in the water to worry about right across from the new Barclay Center.
Let him worry about his project and leave his sad opinion alone about Wall/Harris.
He was a great player but a failure as a coach and GM.
D.Harris is the man and will be into the future towards our success.
2010 NETS TEAM
PG/D.Harris SG/C.D.Roberts SF/Draft W.Johnson PF/Draft D.Cousins C/B.Lopez
2010 NETS BENCH ROTATION TEAM
PG/K.Dooling SG/Draft E.Turner SF/J.Hayes PF/K.Humphries C/Draft C.Aldrich
T.Williams playing PG/SG/SF When needed
Trade Yi Jianlian, C.Lee, J.Boone with future picks to get draft talent this year.
Magic enjoy your businesses and retirement.
Leave D.Harris with us because want him to run our Nets.
The only thing dumber than moving Harris is drafting Turner or Wall
Talk about Rose and Hinrich. They’re in the lottery as of now. Or how fast Wall and Harris would be together. Here’s a clue how fast they will be. When the ball is inbounded after a made basket the defense is already set. Their speed will only be an asset in transition and without the ability to defend, speed is not so important and would be offset defensively by their lack of size. Think they would be any better than Kidd and Carter and how did that turn out with a team that had a limited ability to defend. Lets be clear. Wall and Turner are good offensive players that are smalls and will not help the Nets biggest problem which is their interior defense. Only if we get the 1st or 2nd pick AND move Harris for a good defensive big, which I think is not likely but if anyone could pull it off it’s Thorn, then we must draft a big. Lebron is the only good defensive big and you can’t count on him especially at the time of the draft so forget FA and cap space until after the draft. For those who think the NBA is guard oriented or guard heavy, that thinking is for the 25 teams that aren’t title contenders. Most of the contenders are big and defensive cuz of their size and talent and most of those players were drafted.
How does one start this
1. The Rose-Hinrich comparison was in reference of the feasibility of a two point guard backcourt
2. So Tony Parker’s speed is sooo useless in the half court oriented, slow paced Spurs right?
3. LeBron’s not a big! He doesn’t even play in the post! Just because he’s a big guy, that doesn’t make him a big, it’s in a different context. So is Hedo Turkoglu or Peja Stojakovic a big? They’re 6’10" small forwards.
4. Is there any good defensive big man in the draft that has nearly as much value as Wall or Turner? Heck, are there any other surefire game changers other than Wall or Turner?
You can get draft a good defensive big man, sure go ahead. Won’t help us much since the rest of our roster is a bunch of bench guys masquerading as starters. You just added another likely role player to the bunch when you could have drafted an all star and just simply signed a defensive 4 in free agency.
correction
“Only if we get the 1st or 2nd pick AND move Harris for a good defensive big” could we draft Turner or Wall otherwise, we must draft big.
I don't get why people are so limited to the draft an free agency
Does no one realize that with our young players, draft picks, and loads of cap space, that we could literally trade for any player in the NBA? We don’t need to limit the players we could possibly get to the draft and free agents when the entire NBA is fair game.
Heck, we could trade for Greg Oden if you wanted to try it out in the trade machine.
So let’s be creative, who could/should we get in drafts? Working scenarios?
harris must go
mainly because he misses too many games. he has has missed 17% of the regular season games for his career! if the nets pass on wall then they deserve to lose. i truly don’t think turner is athletic enough to have anywhere near the impact some people seem to expect him to have. wall can do it all. is the value of a great PG forgotten so soon after the departure of kidd?
Turner less athletic than Danny Granger Brandon Ro, or Tyrek Evansy???
Athleticism doesn’t always equate to being a good pro, although Turner is athletic enough, there are only a few players that base their game over jumping over people. He is 6’7 with long arms with a nasty handle and long arms, and all the tools. He will be an allstar in the NBA one day
The Way you can make Wall and Devin Work
First off I’m all for grabbing Turner first, but the way we can have Wall and Devin thrive together in the backcourt is if we get a stud Power Forward, who is athletic and can block shots and rebound. If T-will does indeed start don’ know yet he can rebound really well and is athletic will get stronger, Lopez will and needs to get stronger he’s a big dude. Wall is athletic 6’4 and might still be growing, Harris is a bigger point guard in the league. It could work if we become an attacking team because that would be a hard backcourt to stop (ours).
Interesting Point
Someone had an interesting point the other day. they said that if proky wanted to make a big splash this year, he would drft wall/turner then do a big trade getting the pick directly behind that one and draft derrick favors. then through free agency we would upgrade whatever we needed effectively transforming our team into playoff contenders. plus, they would be a young athletic team, able to get better over time. You already see how the OKC thunder turned out.
Assuming John Wall is off the board
And the Nets get the second pick I like Jay’s idea. Draft Evan Turner if the team picking 3rd wants him, then trade that pick for Derrick Favors. He gives us the physical power forward the Nets need.
Then they can worry about filling other needs.
The Nets should stay young and build through our draft picks for the next 2, 3 years. Add free agents that go according to the future identity which I think should be a young, athletic team.
Omar Samhan
He destroyed Nova today and has been killing teams all season long. 2nd round pick? Any thoughts?? The guy has great post move and def could be a nice backup C or PF on the nba imo
Nah... He is
Too slow. All he did was just push ppl out of the way. He had a great game against Vill but as a pro… 3 string at best.
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