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Nets Looking at "Big Five" for Top Pick

As everyone knows by now, the Nets have a 25% chance at getting the overall #1 pick in the draft lottery May 18. They also have a 46.5% of winning one of the top two picks; a 64.3% chance of getting into the top three, and they can't finish with a pick lower than #4.  So during the NCAA's they'll be looking not just at Kentucky's John Wall and Ohio State's Evan Turner, but well beyond that.  Fred Kerber reports that right now, the Nets have five players they're giving a lot of attention: Wall, Turner, Wall's teammate DeMarcus Cousins, Derrick Favors of Georgia Tech and Wesley Johnson of Syracuse.  All are underclassmen, with Cousins and Favors big men.  As he has in the past, Rod Thorn says the Nets'  strategy will be based not on need, but on best player available.  Since they have the Dallas pick as well, looking no higher than #27, and the first pick in the second round, at #31, the Nets will be watching a lot of March Madness.

"At least one player drafted from 25 to 35 will have a really good NBA career," Thorn said, noting the Nets will have two picks in that group this year.

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Just don’t understand the “drafting for talent” mantra. It makes sense if your team is balanced or you can fill in the holes with a FA. But we’ve needed a power forward since K-Mart left, and year after year we don’t get one.

by panet on Mar 19, 2010 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Thats the logic that got Sam Bowie taken over MJ

by J-Kay on Mar 19, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

word.

we can deny how potentially special Turner and Wall can be in the NBA. Their talent is undeniably special. They could be HUGE for us in the future.

Those two are both more level-headed than Cousins.

They aren’t big projects like Favors so they can have some more immediate impact.

They both have better all-around games when compared to Wes Johnson.

…Turner and Wall are also our two best options for getting this team both some good leadership and some very much needed team chemistry!

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

The difference is

There’s a big gap between good player and nba all star. That’s what can happen when you draft for need. Good players can be acquired a multiple number of ways, all stars can’t.

And the reason we haven’t had a good PF for so long is because during all those Kidd years we literally had no trade assets or cap space outside our main players. No ability to sign anyone or trade for anyone.

by muwu on Mar 19, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

correct.

i mean who wouldn’t want to play with Kidd in his prime.

I remember when Garnett was between thinkin the Nets in the summer of 06…man was i getting pumped for that.

Unfortunately, Mchale and Ainge had to be good friends and help each other out.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

For everyone downplaying character issues

Derrick Coleman, deep in lawsuits regarding defaulted loans, has filed for bankruptcy.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/22870513/detail.html

And being constantly compared to him is somehow not bad?

But I do think Cousins will be more like a Rasheed Wallace Jr than a Derrick Coleman Jr. That is, hothead tech machine who other teams will try to bait into losing his temper and getting a tech (which is being done to him right now already). Might set the rookie record for techs. But he is rebounding phenomenally well right now. 10.1 rpg in only 23 mpg. Definitely could be a double double guy right away. But not better than Turner or Wall, so 3rd pick at best.

by muwu on Mar 19, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

but he’s only playing 23 minsd for a reason. He can’t stay out of foul trouble

by graf on Mar 19, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least he hits people. LOL

The kid is only 19 and is not a finished product.

FYI, Wall and Turner are not finished products either and have weaknesses that need to be addressed.

I wish we had two Nets teams. You could draft Wall/Turner, I would draft Cousins/Favors.

I bet teams would rather play your team.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turner is very very close to a finished product. Guy’s a junior, and is just complete in pretty much every facet of his game. He is the most NBA ready rookie in this class and you could put him on any NBA team and he would do well. And to compare Cousins to Turner and Wall being unfinished products, Wall/Turner are at least much much further along their development. Plus, they don’t have the issue of being uncoachable and being lazy at times. Would seem that those things would make it hard to finish the product.

And for every Cousins fault you seem to have an “at least…”. Hitting people or not, fouls are not good. Showing emotion or not, being a hothead and being uncoachable is not good. It’s more than once that Cousins has been thrown out of a huddle this year. I mean really, how often does that happen to anyone else?

by muwu on Mar 19, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boy Scouts of America

The Nets are going to be playing in Brooklyn, not Boise Iowa.

People from Brooklyn are tough and wouldn’t mind a tough, hot blooded player like Cousins.

You can take this current wimp Nets team, add Wall or Turner,and they will still be wimps. Well mannered wimps and crybabies.

Add Cousins and teams will think twice about driving the lane at will, or snaring rebounds over, around and thru our players.

The Nets are small and soft. Cousins would help change that.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is scared of Cousins in college-

what makes you think the NBA will be scared of him? Teams go after Cousins B/C of his temper. Can’t find the link to the article, but he talks about how people hack him, hang on him and play dirty. Doesn’t sound like people that are scared of him as opposed to knowing that mentally, he is the weakest link. Have you watched any of Kentucky’s games? He is not an unstoppable beast. Tall and talented-yes. Immature and cries for every foul-yes. Coach Cal earns his paycheck with this one. DC would benefit from another year or two of his coaching. Kiki would make him the next Kwame Brown.

by navycavsfan on Mar 19, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well whatever man...you've basically neglected all the points people made about the variety of options we have

We ain’t pinchin pennies with Ratner anymore man.

So just know M I K E..if we get #1 or #2, there’s a slim chance that the Nets or any other team are gonna pass up on Wall or Turner for Cousins. That’s a fact. It’s unanimous among the NBA and around the NCAA that its between Wall and Turner at 1 and 2.

If we get the #3 pick, then its likely that Cousins will be on this roster and we’ll make the moves we need to make to address the 3. We might end up with a Quincy Pondexter or a James Anderson…which ain’t bad

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are probably right.

That is why only a handful of teams seem to win championships. And the Knicks and Nets are the kind of teams that don’t. Why? No imagination. They do what other people tell them to do. Magic tells the Nets they should draft Wall. The Nets will then draft Wall. What a joke.

Wall might turn out to be a great player but so may Cousins. We need big men. We already have an all-star PG. Yeah, I know, we are going to trade Harris and Yi for Dwight Howard… LOL

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

to tell you the truth man..

i’m not really in the Wall camp…i’m nearly fully behind the Turner camp.

I see Turner as the real deal. I’m not going to explain why because i have about 100 or more posts explaining that. Wall doesn’t do it for me like he does, but Wall’s intangibles and the fire and determination I see in his eyes is what makes me think he’d be worth the gamble at #2.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The concept of “drafting for talent” is mostly idiotic. It’s a post-hoc rationalization for a team’s choice, that’s all. It’s truly rare that there is one choice on the board that is head and shoulders above the rest. Everyone has strengths, everyone has weaknesses. And when you start comparing players at different positions, it becomes impossible. Besides, each team has different criteria with which they judge players, so one team’s “best” may not be any other team’s “best.”

And please correct me if I’m wrong, but the Nets are pretty much guaranteed the #31 pick; the second round is based on record, not a mirror of the first round.

by Dumpy on Mar 19, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

i wouldn't say that its mostly idiotic

But I would say that the word “talent” is the wrong word choice. I think these GMs are drafting for the best package of a player.

Based on our perception, I think its clear that Wall and Turner are head and shoulders better above the rest. Each of them individually has so many intangibles that players ranked below them do not exude at this point of their basketball careers.

Each of these guys is very well rounded in that they are both extremely skilled (beyond normal standards), both have heavily shown leadership abilities on the court in tight situations, and both have shown their ability to make their team better with their play/presence on the court.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe after an extra year of college

Cousins would have both the skill/talent and character makeup to solidify him as a #1 pick…but at this time he’s very much a huge risk despite his great talent when compared to the seemingly more complete packages of Wall and Turner.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

At the top of the draft (top 5 for certain) you have to take the best talent available – and the reason is there usually are a few players who are head and shoulders above ther rest. This year it looks like two in Wall and Turner.

Building a team requires complementary pieces and in the salary cap era this becomes a complicated proccess. Get caught in bad contracts or stuck in the middle of the standings for years with no top 5 draft picks or focusing on one or two top players without filling in the team with the right complementary players and you are dead.

Draft picks, cap space, existing contracts are all assets and you need to use these assets to assemble a team. The value of the #1 pick can be huge. Why waste it on the 4th best player because you have a need at PF. Someone else will trade you a proven NBA PF for the #1 pick guaranteed. Wasting top 5 picks on “need” is idiotic. “see a need fill a need” to quote Rodney
- but be more creative in how you use all your assets to fill the need.

by Jay-dub on Mar 19, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

two points

the further down you go from the top, drafting BPA makes less and less sense. How far down you make that decision is subjective. I have been told that in the 2008 draft, if the Bobcats had taken Lopez, there would have been a major debate in the war room, with some, including Thorn, wanting Jerryd Bayless and others, including Vandeweghe, wanting Robin Lopez (who he liked better than Brook.) Clear case of BPA vs. need. Told as well, there was debate between Ryan Anderson and Courtney Lee at #21 that year.

You are correct…second round follows order of worst to first. Lottery does not impact second round.

by Net Income on Mar 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will history repeat itself?

Last two times we had #1 picks we drafted two big, nasty, mean hotheads, Derrick Coleman and K- Mart.

Cousins should be the third.

Glad to hear Cousins is being considered.

Sad to hear that Thorn will be making the pick.

Thorn needs a G.M. He also needs a coach. He should be working on that.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

#3 M I K E...

Cousins with #3 at the highest….

i don’t know enough about Favors to know if he’s 3 or 4.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question for NJQuestcat ???

Knowing what you know now, would you of drafted Derrick Rose or Brook Lopez in 2008 draft?

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well we had #10 in the draft

We just traded for Harris at that time and Lopez fell to us when he was initially projected to be picked between 3 and 4. If it was the #1 pick we had and we had the choice between the two, I’d still pick Brook because going into picking him they knew he was a great character guy, with great work ethic, and they also knew that excellent effort was constant with him.

a big man was our big glaring need for God knows how long…so yeah I’d pick Lopez again.

I still wouldn’t pick Cousins over Turner over Wall. I’d rather risk a bust with the amazing packages that Wall and Turner present than pick someone who should probably consider taking another year in college.

It all ain’t just filling a need. It’s getting the right character guys with good work ethic, who can fill the leadership void we have and the team chemistry void we have.

At this point, Turner and Wall fit that bill undeniably better than Cousins. While a lot of the PFs in FA or later in the draft may not have the skill set that Cousins has, we definitely have a lot of options to pursue in regards to PFs in the draft and free agency that could work in a team that has some semblance of team play. In FA there are nearly 40 options that we could look into to fit next to Brook.

…there are many more glaring needs on this team than a PF as urgent as filling the PF gap may seem.

With Wall or Turner, the Nets have the chance of drafting a franchise player. They can’t pass up on that. If they get a potential franchise player that can take some weight off talented players like Brook, Devin, Twill, CLee, and Harris, getting a PF that simply fits into a team vision will be much easier. In addition to getting a good coach, we need a coachable player who can bring chemistry to this team and make the vision of creating a team easier because of all the intangibles this player brings.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

We got lucky with Lopez...

I thought Lopez was our franchise player.

If we get Wall or Turner, and god forbid, Lopez went down, where would we be?

If we get Cousins we have some insurance if anything happens to Lopez.

We have no PF’s or SF’s and we Harris and C.Lee and CDR and T-Will to name a few, so lets get ourselves another guard.

Makes no sense, but Nets drafts usually don’t make sense.

Like I said we got real lucky with Lopez, otherwise most of our drafts have bombed.

And the reason they bombed was going after “best player available”, according to who knows who’s anaylsis.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Creating this team is more than just the draft....
We have no PF’s or SF’s and we Harris and C.Lee and CDR and T-Will to name a few, so lets get ourselves another guard.

T-will is a 3…Turner is a 2-3. He fills a need. To add to that…he’s a 2-3 that has much more game than CLee, Twill, and CDR. His game is comparable to Twill but he’s got a shot and a much better BBIQ.

If we’re talking about picking Wall…that’s another story. No one quite knows how he would fit in with Harris or whether Harris would need to be moved. Nonetheless, with either the addition of both Wall or Turner, it is undeniable that more moves need to be made after drafting either one of them.

Either Wall or Turner have the ability to make the players we already have on this team better.

You keep posting as if its draft a player and that’s it. Not the case. We have extra picks, there’s free agency, and there are trades that can be made.

If we get Wall or Turner, and god forbid, Lopez went down, where would we be?

Like I said before there are over 40 PFs in FA that we could pursue that can fit into a vision the Nets should have for a team. And then we also have the draft and trades that could land us a PF. Oh I forgot to mention…you’re worried about depth behind Lopez….there are over 30 something options for Centers in FA as well…

^ this is one of the big reasons why Cousins has no chance of getting picked at #1 or #2….in addition to his questionable character makeup.

This team needs a star and FA is not guaranteed at all to get us that. This team needs a coach that can harness their players talents.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give me a name any name...

40 PF’s and 30 Centers?

All I heard of is David Lee.

Most of the best big men will be taken in the draft by the time we get to pick again.

Face the facts. If we pick Wall or Turner we most likely will be starting Yi at PF again, with Hump backing up him and Lopez . Ugh…

In a draft rich with “big men”, we are not going to get one of the better ones.

I want the Nets to get the #1 pick but maybe we would be better off with #3 or #4.

Even when the Nets win, they lose. Beautiful losers…
  

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lee, Boozer, Bosh, Dirk, Ty Thomas, Hakim Warrick, Scola, J O’neal, Songalia, B. Wallace, Bonner, Amir Johnson.

All PF’s. They vary from All-stars to role players. We have options.

by graf on Mar 19, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good list, but Dirk, Bosh, Ty Thomas and BWallace can be removed.

The key is for Nets to go aggressively after Lee and not be sidetracked with the thought that LeBron is serious.

by jerry25 on Mar 19, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are full of pessimism.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

Goes by team so you’ll actually have to look thru but the names are there, some of which graf pointed out.
How are the Nets losers? They will have a top 4 pick. The Dallas pick and #31 can always be used to trade up higher in the draft for one those big men you think the draft is rich with. The Nets do have a deep backcourt. You’ve seen the other threads suggesting if wall or Turner was take, Harris would serve well in a trade for a big man. You also have the deepest FA in memory with cap room and a billionaire Russian willing to spend.
As graf said, we have options. How does having options make the Nets losers?

by navycavsfan on Mar 19, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

there would be no reason to trade Harris...

… if we ended up with Turner, who is a wing player, not a PG. He will make Harris better. They should keep Harris even if they get Wall, they’ll have cap space to improve their frontline, so there’s no need to trade Harris for a big man.

by Andres B on Mar 19, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying there is a need to.

Just pointing out that it was an option. I’ve read the suggestions of moving TWill to PG, etc, etc. Not trying to spark a debate about that, just pointing out that the Nets have more options than any team in the league.

by navycavsfan on Mar 19, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

A ton of cap space is not only good for signing people

It also makes trades incredibly easy. We have assets. We have a bevy of young players and picks and could pretty much make a realistic pitch for almost any big man in the entire NBA.

to limit ourselves to the draft and free agency is foolish when we have so much flexibility and assets that other teams want. Trades are pre-eminently easy for us

by muwu on Mar 19, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not really a fair question

Since we had an Allstar in Devin Harris going in to the draft.

If it were a blank slate of a team, yeah I would draft Rose over Lopez.

“Because the league has put such a premium on quickness and ability to create off the dribble since the rules reinterpretations prior to the 2004-05 season, the painful learning curve rookie point guards once had to go through may no longer exist.”

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1004

People underestimate the effect the hand checking rules had on the NBA. Since it was implemented, stopping people off the dribble is night impossible especially if they’re freakishly athletic (Rose, LeBron, Evans, [Wall])

And please don’t belittle Derrick Rose, he’s an all star in his 2nd year in the league averaging 20-4-6, he’s arguably one of the top 5 point guards in the league already.

Tyreke Evans is even better in my opinion. 20-5-5 in his rookie year?

“According to Hoopdata, Tyreke averages 8.3 attempts at the rim, about .7 more than the player in 2nd place, Zach Randolph. He’s also 1st in the league in makes at the rim at 5.0 a game (tied with LeBron). More attempts and makes than every single big man in the league.

And what’s even more unique about Tyreke is how much his scores at the rim are unassisted, unlike big men and explosive players like LeBron who throw down alley oops on a regular basis. Tyreke is only assisted on 24.7% of his makes around the rim, while LeBron is at about 48.1%. "

by muwu on Mar 19, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't you guys see this...

You can take this current wimp Nets team, add Wall or Turner,and they will still be wimps. Well mannered wimps and crybabies.

Add Cousins and teams will think twice about driving the lane at will, or snaring rebounds over, around and thru our players.

The Nets are small and soft. Cousins would help change that.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus...

We can get Cousins, without having to trade draft picks and young talent, and we don’t have to spend big money on free agents, most who are players that their own current team don’t want.

Wake up Nets fans. We don’t need more small guards and wings. If we draft Wall he will be one of the smallest players drafted in the last 35 years. Only Rose and Iverson were smaller.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

I have had enough of T-will And CDR being unruly and stubborn. Their bad attitudes caused them to miss chances at developing, learning, and fitting into a team role. If i was the other team i would have no problem driving into Cousins, because all the refs in the league will hate him because he constantly whines and yells and gets technicals. If the refs hate him the other team is most likely to get the foul called on cousins and cousins is already foul prone. I would rather have a more complete, and hard working player over a stubborn, lazy, and unpredictable player

by Sparklespice on Mar 19, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best 3 Nets big men, in their NBA history...

Derrick Coleman
Jayson Williams
K-Mart

Reminds you of someone?

These were the only Nets teams worth watching. Coincidence?

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re on crack. Wall as one of the smallest players? He’s 6-4, 200 lbs. That’s Jason Kidd size, making him one of the biggest PG’s in the league.

by graf on Mar 19, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm on crack?

If John Wall is drafted #1 he will be one of the smallest players ever drafted at #1 in the last 35 years. Only Iverson and Rose were that small.

How many rings does Kidd have? Answer = 0.

I think you better see what’s in your pipe.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why i'm even responding to you...

but how many rings does KMART have? 0

How bout Coleman? 0

How bout the count for Williams…hmmm….well how bout 5 years in prison???

there’s huge fallacy in your argument. it doesn’t make any sense man.

You make it seem like Cousins is the last coming of a good big man. Wake up man…it’s not the case. If a guy like Turner or Wall can bring some good team play to this team. We can definitely get someone who is serviceable enough to get things done for us. I know guys like Gooden and J Powell aren’t great but they could do an alright job. Who knows maybe we’ll end up with DLee, Boozer, or Amare in the offseason. The PF we get may not be the best but that player will get us thru while we try to land the PF that is the huge difference maker for us

You can rest assured that it wont be Yi, Boone, and Hump simply manning the 4 next year.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you a Knocks fan in disguise?

You just reposted the same nonsense as a rebuttal to a FACT. You say small and compare that to AI and Rose. Rose is 6-3 190#.
As graf said Wall is 6-4 200 #. How is that small? And 35 years?! How old are you? Spudd Webb, Earl Boykins, Nate Robinson!!

http://www.worldinterestingfacts.com/game/4-shortest-nba-player-ever.html

I officially think you are dumb. Not that it matters to you and I don’t care if it does.
1 thing I do appreciate about you though is that on days when I’m stuck at work, like today, the stupid post you make make for great conversation. Thank you.

by navycavsfan on Mar 19, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the compliment.

By the way, Spudd Webb, Earl Boykins, Nate Robinson were not drafted #1 overall.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I have egg on my face.

Didn’t see the #1 draft pick. Just wait, I’ll find some one.

by navycavsfan on Mar 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will admit I was wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first_overall_NBA_draft_picks

Sorry it’s wikipedia but that’s the only source I found that had it all in one place. So as far as #1 draft picks go, yes they were the shortest. I’m sure that was a shot in the dark on his part. HOWEVER, your original post said nothing about the #1 pick, so your “arguments” are still flawed

by navycavsfan on Mar 19, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would delete this comment

but it would wipe out all the replies. So let me just say that comments like “You’re on crack” or some of the insults that follow are not tolerated on this site.

Those that have broken the rules have been sent formal warnings. Please treat your fellow commenters with respect, or you won’t be able to comment on this site much longer.

Thanks.
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by NetsDaily on Mar 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...we had a guy named Jason Kidd too I think...am i mistaken??

someone who brought chemistry and made his team better….something none of our guards/ wings is capable of doing. If T-will gets a shot and smartens up, he could be huge for us, but as of now what we have between 1, 2, and 3 is simply depth. It ain’t quality. C Lee and CDR should prolly be coming off the bench..

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once Jason lost Keynon it was over.

Point guards are important but big men win championships. In 8 of the last 11 championships Duncan, Robinson, Shaq were the big men. Garnett was also another big man. We know who Kobe had playing down low last year.

Those championship teams did not need a hall of fame PG but they did need hall of fame big men.

But please, don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bynum and Gasol...

…ain’t winning poop without Kobe. No one is denying your point that a big man is important. Its just we’re in the process of rebuilding and we need the right pieces to build around.

Lakers wouldn’t be poop without Kobe…just like Cavs ain’t winning it without a guy who solidifies the team game like Lebron.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Cartwright and like Luc Longley...

they were pretty good…prolly cuz Jordan was damn amazing.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha.

That was more for MIKE, but yes. And don’t forget Horace Grant in the early years. Those guys were great role players, but they don’t scream Hall of Fame.

by navycavsfan on Mar 19, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna bring that point up as well b4

but i got lost in other points I was trying to make.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well guys, I have to go...

Nice talking with you guys. See you Monday…

Hopefully we can talk about a Nets victory.

My post to Gods monitor.

Have a great weekend…

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You too

that’s for the interesting topics

by navycavsfan on Mar 19, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd that...lol

Don’t forget MIKE…Cousins ain’t goin 1 or 2 :-)

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

@navycavsfan

Basketball fanaticism has gotten the best of me…now i know what being a religious extremist is like.

u a cavs fan?

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Put the whole story in my bio if you care to look.

by navycavsfan on Mar 19, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's MJ?... Mark Jackson. LOL

If John Wall is as good as Jordan I will concede my argument.

If you remember Jordan was not draft #1 or #2, but #3, just were Cousins will probably be drafted.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea Sam Bowie...

a big man bust…one of the biggest busts ever!!! I think he was cited awhile ago as being the biggest bust ever!

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the Blazers were in dire need of a big man.

by NJQuestCat on Mar 19, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of D.Cousins.....

DCousins is Fat, Lazy and Crazy! I can’t believe all of the people here who are drinking the DeMarcus Cousins Koolaid.

He’s fat, lazy and crazy!

I feel pretty good about the draft, because there are four players that could help the Nets day one…Turner, Wall, Favors, and yes Cousins (in that order). I think it’s pretty clear that Turner and Wall are going #1 and #2 (in which order is anybody’s guess). If we end up in the top 2, I’m feeling great either way.

 I would still feel great with either Favors or Cousins, but with Cousins it will definitely be a roll of the dice. He could be one of the all time greats, or a serious bust (E. Curry?).

 His positives: Great in the low post, soft hands, great rebounder. His negatives: Not a good athlete, poorly conditioned (at 18!), not good on defense, has a poor motor y es loco en la cabeza. Also, as mentioned above, even his positives are a result of the fact that he has had the benefit of outstanding guard play from Wall and Bledsoe feeding him the rock.

Favors, on the other hand, is much more of sure thing in my opinion. He’s an amazing athlete, with great hands, a soft jumper, great rebounder and shot blocker and has excellent defensive technique.

The main reason why his numbers have been so poor is that GEORGIA TECH IS THE WORST TEAM EVER! Their coach (Hewitt) is a complete clown who turned the most athletically talented team in the ACC into a sub-500 squad (in conference), and never figured out a way to harness the talents of their 2 NBA quality studs (Favors and Lawal). He had Favors and Lawal stumbling over each other all season, which cut both of their (point and rebounding) numbers in half.

Their guards are a joke (averaging twice as many turnovers as assists, while regularly dribbling the ball off their knees, feet and each other).

 If Favors were playing with Wall OR Bledsoe, he would have averaged 20 ppg/ 10 rpg easily. If we end up at #3 it’s Favors for sure….if we’re at # 4, it’s D. Cousins (and a couple of hail marys)

by corey447 on Mar 19, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like Cousins knows how to play smart...

Cousins took a career-low two shots. He didn’t take a shot until a putback attempt with 12:25 left in the game.

When asked about keeping his gun holstered, Cousins said, “Double and triple teams. I just find the open man.”

Eric Bledsoe cited the defensive attention Cousins drew as leading to open shots on the perimeter.

“They were too much focused on DeMarcus,” Bledsoe said.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Favors, on the other hand, is much more of sure thing in my opinion

No, he isn’t. He isn’t a sure thing at all. He has bigger bust potential than Cousins. I think he will be a great player, but I see him more as a defensive prospect. You can bash DC all you want, he is a far more talented and efficient player. His per 40 min numbers are unreal. And he’s 19.

If we end up at #3 it’s Favors for sure

No, it isn’t. The Nets actually seem to like Cousins better.

by Andres B on Mar 19, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

The way I see it, if we draft Cousins at all, I will be devastated. He will never make it. He is a role player that that’s it. I mean when you look at this guy, do you honestly think he will even be anything remotely close to Dwight or Shaq? I see more like a less athletic Al Horford, at absolute best possible scenario. When that’s the best scenario, I would rather just take my chances on someone else.

by Tim823 on Mar 19, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Who’s No. 3?

“That is the great question,” one scout said.

If the Nets picked third and felt Cousins is the best, they’d take him, despite the presence of Brook Lopez. Talent first. Remember?

This is the way to go.

I’m sorry, but Nets CAN’T afford to make a decision on who to take with a TOP 4 pick based on who’s a better fit next to Lopez. They just can’t. Lopez isn’t a franchise player, and this team is HISTORICALLY bad, if they have the 3rd pick, they NEED to take Cousins, I don’t care a bit if Favors would be the better fit, he isn’t nearly as talented as DC.

by Andres B on Mar 19, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

5050

I agree with you 100% with everything you said except for the fact that you think Cousins is “talented.” He is just a big goon who is bigger then everyone else. He reminds me of Kevin Love. I don’t want to draft him 3rd.. Lets take a risk on someone with a higher possible return.

by Tim823 on Mar 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Killing two birds with one stone...

Make John Calipari coach and then he can decide who to draft.

by M I K E on Mar 19, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes!

I want the Nets to bring back Cal!

Cal and The Czar are my favorite candidates

by Andres B on Mar 19, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO CAL

We don’t need a corrupt ego filled coach AGAIN. Go out get a good coach, make them decide who we pick. Now lets be real if we get any of Wall, Turner, Favors or Cousins… will any of you be mad come next October? I know who ever we get I will be excited because there is seemingly 4 very good players in this draft which sets up terrific for us. I preferably would want Wall, maybe because of the Hype but his skillset is amazing, and to see a kid like him run the point for the next 10 years is exciting, not to mention if they wind up with Wall I would want them to keep Harris and slide him on over to the 2, where I think he can be even more effective. I do think that Turner may be the odd man out, I am not quite sure where he will fit with this team? Sure we need a PF, but will we put Turner at the 3 ahead of Twill or at the 2 ahead of Lee? I love Turner as a player but if i was drafting I would look for Wall first then Favors.

I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd

by njnets on Mar 19, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

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