Does Goldstein See the Handwriting on the Wall?
Does Daniel Goldstein, the face of Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn, think the end is near? In discussing how many people and businesses have left the site and how many still remain, Goldstein writes Tuesday on the group's website, "They all will all be gone eventually and eminent domain will have been used to clear the site. And the approval to use eminent domain to remove all of those citizens and their businesses was made in a back room."
Under a March 1 condemnation order, title to Goldstein's condo and other properties within the footprint was turned over to the state's Empire State Development Corp. According to reports, 35 residents are still living in 15 residences on the site. ESDC lawyers have told all the residents and four businesses they must vacate their premises by April 3. However, Goldstein has said the letter has "no legal bearing" and he will await a judge's eviction order. He also contends the compensation offered him by the state is less than what he paid for the condo in 2003 and much less than what Bruce Ratner once offered him.
The premises must be vacated before the ESDC can lease the property to the arena holding company contorlled by Ratner and Mikhail Prokhorov. Once the lease is signed, the deal between Ratner and Prokhorov is complete and the NBA can move to transfer ownership to the Russian billionaire.
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Stick a fork in him.
Stick a fork in this Goldstein loser, I’ve had enough of his whining.
Enjoy Your Life
Shame on this guy for putting this fight up that he could not win.
The real victory will be for the people to enjoy this new arena and for all the surrounding activity the community has to offer.
Brooklyn Academy of Music/Brooklyn Museum/Brooklyn Library/Brooklyn Botanical Gardens/Brooklyn Dance Companies/Great Neighborhoods
D.Goldstein move on and try to enjoy life for a change because your cause was sad and it is time for you to just leave.
Sad day for you however, life can begin again for you somewhere else.
GO BROOKLYN NETS!
Shame on this guy for putting this fight up that he could not win.
Mr. Dziedzic,
I do not like DG at all, but to shame him for fighting for his property and insinuating that his fight was shameful is wrong.
He had every right to fight, and while we all disagreed with him (I am one of the biggest supporters of the BK Nets and AY Project) to call him shameful is wrong IMO.
But in your words GO BROOKLYN NETS!
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
“He also contends the compensation offered him by the state is less than what he paid for the condo in 2003 and much less than what Bruce Ratner once offered him.”
this is the part that kills me… He only bought the condo in ‘03, it’s not like this was a home in his family for generations, and he was offered much more than the market value by Ratner… Should’ve just taken the offer! Oh well.
VIVA LA BROOKLYN NETS!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Mar 18, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Is there a photo of this wall?
Give us 10 guesses.
How about “Traitor Go To Hell”.
“Vacate at Once”
It was his choice not to accept Ratner's generous offer. The consequences of losing were clear.
Would Goldstein immediately leave if Ratner were to now make the same offer that he turned down?
Of course Ratner would have no obligation to do so. Goldstein has probably cost Ratner tens of millions by now and he probably will no longer live long enough to see Atlantic Yards complete. Of course that wouldn’t be enough satisfaction for Goldstein. He doesn’t care if this drags on a few more months and screws up the Nets future plans for the post season and also possibly delays the completion of the project so that life would continue in the area of Barclays. Brooklyn residents will be suffer in the end.
Here is a chance for Daniel to tell us if he would accept Ratner’s generous offer again and sign an agreement to leave by April 3?
One more time
That ship has sailed. Title to his condo is owned by the ESDC. He can’t sell it to anyone. He no longer owns it.
I was hoping he would confess here that he would take the money.
Now you told him that he has no option other than to wait for the Judges notice.
As I understand, any attorney discussions about receiving payment from ESDC could occur just as easily AFTER he vacates or is taken away in handcuffs?
I’m a little confused – the title on his condo has been turned over to ESDC and he was served with legal papers…but they still don’t have any legal bearing? Does this guy ever know what he’s talking about?
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yes, you are confused
Jerry, Yellow Fever and NetIncome, if those are really your names.
The papers we received were not legal papers. we were not served with anything. simple.
by Daniel Goldstein on Mar 18, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Why yes, my real name is yellow fever! So if you don’t own your title anymore, then why are you still there?
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by yellow fever on Mar 18, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
As much as I love NI…I have no idea how NI saying that Goldstein is the pot calling the kettle black in this situation makes any sense.
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by yellow fever on Mar 18, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
multi step process
which he is trying to stretch out. Not sure the judge will go along. His decision, 82 pages, was hardline.
It's not over yet
I know many of you probably that the ceremony held last week sealed, but these days it can mean anything. Some also believe that the lawsuits are over, but there is still another one comming up next month. On 4/12 there will be another lawsuit involving the Atlantic Yards and it will be known as Peter Williams vs NYS Urban Developement Corp. In this case it will involve new information that is not being used by the ESDC, so their outdated claims will not work there as it did in other cases. The location will be at the Manhattan State Supreme Cout, located at 80 Centre Street in Manhattan. The time of the oral argument will be at 9:30 AM for that day.
Its irrelevant if it doesn't affect construction. Your future lawsuits can be settled when the Eastern Division Champions Banner hangs in Barclays arena.
Condemnation has been ordered. it is final.
I suspect that Judge Gerges may be writing the letter of eviction, backing up the letter from ESDC, as we speak.
i suspect you don't know what you are talking about Jerry25
by Daniel Goldstein on Mar 18, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Worried?
Which part do you suspect isn’t true? That Gerges is writing the letter at this time or that your lawsuits are too late to stop construction?

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by yellow fever on Mar 18, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Eviciton is complex
Believe it or not, evictions is not a one step process. Even Goldstein said it in an interview that there is more to evictions than just making the notice. If the ruling goes against the ESDC, it will throw a wrench in the process. As for that picture with Hillary Clinton, I find that very insulting, because she did a very hard fight. BTW, she is currently the secretary of state under Barrack Obama, so it wasn’t a total loss for her, but seeing how Obama may not do so well, she could try to run again for president.
by Tal Barzilai on Mar 18, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That has nothing to do with it
Tal, it was about her denial of winning the Presidency
Obama is doing a phenomenal job with what he can work with (IMO) and I know we’re not turning this into a political debate.
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Another way to look at it, is that it is all driven by Emotion and not the facts.
Obama and Hillary weren’t that much different in views, although Obama had less baggage and has proven to be more energetic and inspiring, except for some women who had made up their minds otherwise.
Atlantic Yards is good for developing Brooklyn, but some people just made up their minds otherwise and were encouraged by a screwed up legal system designed to delay and delay.
by jerry25 on Mar 19, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right Tal...
And Ratner will never get financing.
Wrong again
The financing will not come up of Ratner’s wallet for this project, it will be from us taxpayers who live all over the state of NY, so he won’t have to worry about it.
by Tal Barzilai on Mar 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Bonds
Remember, the bonds were over subscribed by 4-1 and sold in under 2 hours…$500 million in bonds sold in under 2 hours
No way Bruce can do it, right?
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Barley approved
NetLogic, those bonds were barely approved, and the minium recquirement was junk bonds, but with friends in high places he was able to get there when he couldn’t on his own.
by Tal Barzilai on Mar 18, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Please, Tal
$500 million, over subscribed by 4-1 with a better interest rate than the Yankees and Mets both got…
Only $170 million (NI please correct me if I am wrong) were given the Junk Status, and all the reporting we’ve seen, or speculation is that Proky will buy them up.
Tal, seriously, this project moves forward with or without you
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Hostilities and personal attacks on opposition
Seriously, why are some you supporters so hostile on Goldstein and other opponents of this project? Some of you have made claims on DDDB without ever presenting any evidence to back it up. I am still waiting for proof on where they want to just leave the rail yards undeveloped and it has to come up their own mouthes and not from someone who claims that they said it. BTW, they do not have very small support, they actually do have support from many of the surrounding communities and even brownstone Brooklyn whereas Ratner’s only support comes from those on his payroll such as ACORN and BUILD, a group he created. Saying that they don’t have a right to fight to keep their own property is very similar to saying whether or not a woman can have an abortion on the embryo in them even though it’s their own body. This isn’t being selfish, it’s called caring about their property and Goldstein tends to finds that very important to him. The reason I don’t trust Ratner when it comes to giving decent jobs to locals is because he did that before with MTC when JP Morgan Chase just relocated their existing employees instead of hiring locals who where in dire need for them. Even the name of that complex made it feel like an office park rather than something that goes in the area. Everytime I see a rendering of the Atlantic Yards complex, it feels more like some gated or walled community rather than something that fits in. Just abusing eminent domain domain and using taxpayer dollars to fund it alone are reasons to oppose it because nobody wants to see what’s supposed to be used for public projects be abused nor do they want their tax dollars to help a rich man like Ratner get richer. Understand the causes and not the effects.
We've heard that one before
What will make him keep his word when he didn’t for his previous projects? There is a very good chance that he will do the same thing here. It was said that according to union rules, that that are working at Nets games right now will get first dibs on those jobs if they move to Brooklyn meaining hardly any jobs for locals, because they will demand that it goes to them first. Even if they do get jobs there, they won’t be permanent or decently paying, because the Nets do not play at home 365 days a year, so when they are off or on the road for about a week, they will have to find some other job(s) to make money when they can’t work there. The CBA was never open to public especially because the opposition, who was actually living in the planned footprint, were never allowed to join, so it was really just a yesman’s meeting in the end. If Ratner does not keep his word on the CBA he will just be fined, and he can deal with that or the ESDC will most likely give him a write-off for that. As for the bonds, they come from our tax dollars, and they are given to him so he can avoid some taxes by having us pay for him. Tax free bonds doesn’t mean that we don’t pay for them, it’s the one who recieves it that doesn’t pay for them.
by Tal Barzilai on Mar 18, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Tal
Maybe it’s because we’re just tired of naysayers…not to mention the continual exaggeration of these issues. Daniel Goldstein isn’t Martin Luther King, the Carlton Street Bridge isn’t the Brooklyn Bridge, Norman Oder is not I.F. Stone, Bruce Ratner is not Robert Moses, Eric McClure is not Thomas Paine, Tracy Collins is not Alfred Steiglitz and this is not the great moral choice of our time. It is increasingly tiresome to have people lecture us about what is right and wrong, as if they and they alone own the truth. It is about a New York real estate deal. It is about competing visions for urban redevelopment, not a morality play. It’s a big project. It got big subsidies and as Bloomberg notes, when it’s done, no one will remember the delays. They will only see what finished product, for better or worse.
You told us repeatedly, as did Goldstein, that this wasn’t going to happen, that the next lawsuit would render the whole thing moot, that the bonds couldn’t be sold by the deadline, then that they wouldn’t be sold, that the condemnation would be delayed, etc., etc. All DDDB had to do was “run out the clock”, as you so often wrote. The Brooklyn Paper ran a headline that Atlantic Yards was “dead”. Remember that? Oder complains about the media not paying enough attention to the issues he wants covered. I believe the opposite is true. Too often, the media took the side of the poor critics without a discussion of the value of the project. Poor downtrodden Daniel, the little guy, yada, yada. Heroic photos of him stoically standing alone against the big corporate interests can be found all over the internet.
And you know what, people like you should be re-examining the decisions that got you to this lonely place. Relying solely on a legal strategy may have been short-sighted and dumb. There was no complementary political strategy. Everything and everyone was painted in black and white terms. Name calling reached new heights, and there was no turning back. The legal strategy only delayed the inevitable—the law is quite clear—and now there is no chance for any compromise. You lose.
by Net Income on Mar 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
THIS gets a +1
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by yellow fever on Mar 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
It’s hard to tell whether it’s ignorance, naivety, or just sheer denial that’s spurring on these tiresome Anti-Ratner/Prokhorov, Anti-Development, Anti-Atlantic Yards comments. I suspect it’s a combination of the three.
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The Irony is that they are only hurting a local business like Freddy's Bar from starting over again at a nearby location.
Imagine all the old stories that would be told at Freddy’s II in the Fall of 2012 as business is booming thanks to Prokhorov and Barclays.
A few years later, Goldstein will be able to visit Ratner’s gravesite and will be thanking him for making him famous.
Nothing is set in stone these days
I wouldn’t be celebrating just yet. Just because it’s making progress, doesn’t mean that it’s going to happen in the end. Let’s not forget that the new stadium for the Jets was almost going to be built, but then Sheldon Silver, who is the State Assembly Speaker, voted it down and that hit the final nail in the coffin for it. Even though there was a demolition for 7 South Dearbon in Chicago back in 2001, but it was never built and a smaller building went there instead. The Westway, which was even mentioned by Letitia James, was very close to being a done deal, but was cancelled in the end due to its costs. Maybe Jane Jacobs was wrong for fighting against the building of the LOMEX, but she continued to fight it and won against the almighty Robert Moses despite all odds. The Breezy Point Towers over in the Rockaways were demolished after being half built after being found to cost too much and was abandoned at that point. However, I find some of you to be the naysayers, and I can say similar things about ignorance on your side especially when some of you continue to repeat some of the rhetoric that Ratner mentiones even though it was found to be false numerous times. It’s just like those who believe the anti-Israel myths and still ride them despite the fact that they have been disprooven. I wouldn’t be surprised if there those like you back in the colonial days telling Patrick Henry to give up on standing up to the British after unfair taxes or George Washington not to risk his life to fight the British Army. I wouldn’t be surprised if those like you were living durring the early part of the 1800’s and mentioned how slavery will never be abolished and those fighting to end it were just wasting their time. As for the Carlton Avenue Bridge, it’s not part of the project in any way or form, and it was suppossed to be nearing rennovation by now. BTW, I have never related Goldstein to MLK, Jr, you did that Net Income, so don’t do an Errol Louis, which is putting words into someone’s mouth especially when they never actually said that.
Consider the facts (and then compare them to what, if anything, you’re basing this on):
- DDDB has never won a court case in relation to their opposition of the project (a number of them have been immediately dismissed)
- Local and state governments are on the side of the developer
- Mikhail Prokhorov plays a huge part in the financing of all this (how anyone can possibly say that a lack of funding will be an issue, I’ve got no idea)
Sentimentality is great to hold on to. Just don’t expect it to translate to reality.
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again, the wild exaggerations
Plessey vs. Ferguson, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Taxation without Representation…all analogous to Atlantic Yards. Please stop.
The criticisms here mostly boil down to that DDDB lost an uphill battle. It’s an easy enough observation to make.
What takes a little more work is looking at how the development was sold based on benefits that are not guaranteed and how it was pushed through in a way to subvert a democratic process.
If all you care about is the Nets, then I understand how you feel the ends justifies the means.
Trying to demean Tracy Collins as not being Alfred Steiglitz is silly. I can say that at least Tracy did some actual photography. It’s fortunate that he’s also good a good photographer. There’s no point in saying that Net Income is no Edward Murrow because NI hasn’t even done any real journalism on this issue.
well
I have won Four Edward R. Murrow awards in my professional life so I have some credibility.
As for demeaning Tracy Collilns, I am not demeaning him. He is a fine photographer. I am including him as an example of the wild exaggeration inside your camp. Everything is exaggerated, to the point of silliness.
Again, it’s not a morality play.
I just watched
this video on NLG with these crazy bobbleheads again
Comparing Ratner to Bernie Madoff is such a joke
It is sickening NI, just sickening
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
No, it is a joke
comparing him to Madoff is a complete JOKE
have fun with your bobblehead friends
Where are you going next? Lloyd Blankfeins office?
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
no, i think you are correct, ratner is sickening
anyway, the point being made by those comparing the situation to Madoff is that like Madoff, those in power to regulate etc are more than happy to look the other way. if you don’t think that is the case, so be it. but many do.
by Daniel Goldstein on Mar 19, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I think Ratner
is doing a great thing by bringing JOBS and affordable housing to a blighted area, an area that sits over the 3rd largest transit hub in New York.
Mr. Goldstein, I am sorry that you are being evicted, it sucks for you, your wife and daughter…but there is a greater good to the community and the City that is being served here and that is the big picture
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
credibility
Mr. Income likes having it both ways—citing his professional distinctions yet hiding behind his pseudonym. Edward R. Murrow owned up to his work.
Tal Barzilai doesn’t speak for me. He speaks for himself.
As for Mr. Income’s criticisms, the quote from Bloomberg is specious: “They will only see what finished product, for better or worse.”
There might be a finished arena, but certainly not a finished product. Hence the indefinite interim surface parking.
As for Mr. Income thinking I complain “about the media not paying enough attention to the issues he wants covered,” well, how many media outlets covered the discrepancy between the official ten-year timeline and the 25 years allowed by the Development Agreement, a document kept under wraps until after a key court hearing.
As for “the value of the project,” I’d love to see Mr. Income cite a cost-benefit analysis.
Mr. Income, when it comes to this project, is nothing but a “homer.”
you are correct
It is not a morality play. It is real life.
by Daniel Goldstein on Mar 19, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
4 Edward R. Murrow awards
4 Edward R. Murrow awards, congrats on that. where were you working when you did that?
by Daniel Goldstein on Mar 19, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record
I do not represent DDDB or anyone else who opposes this project in any way or form just like how I don’t represent the Twin Towers Alliance when I say things against the official plan at the WTC site. If anyone has been to an Atlantic Yards hearing and saw what I placed under affiliations, I have pretty much marked it as stating myself. Also, nobody from those groups asked me to come up and be against it, I did that on my own as well. Another thing is that numerous times I have asked you supporters to back your claims on where DDDB is clearly anti-developement and selfish, and none of you have ever prooven that, but rather repeated your claims with the same blanket statements or got very defensive on it. This is almost like those on Streetsblog who went stark raving mad when they saw a report from Hunter College saying that cyclists flout the law constantly, but never presented anything disprooving the claim other than saying that the report was biased. As a nerdy leftist, I do not make arbitrairy claims, and I have backed up my claims, but I have still yet to see evidence prooving where the opposition is wrong hence the repeated stereotypes and persoanll attacks. As for my analogies, if you bothered to look them up, you would understand what I am talking about here and how it relates to this, which is groups or individuals who continued to fight for their causes despite how many naysayed them, because they knew how important it was rather than just siding with the bandwagon. Remember, everytime any of you makes a claim on them that I find to be false, I will be challenging it, and you better come up with actual facts prooving it and it can’t be something you believe is true or some wild statement that you concocted at the last minute just to give an answer. How would any of you feel if someone made a claim on you that was found not to be true? Would you come over and debunk it, or just live with that claim? Also, don’t use common knowledge and/or good faith to back your claims on them either, because I won’t buy that. Then again believing those lies from Ratner comes from an old saying from PT Barnum, “A sucker is born every minute.” The reason why I debunk the claims on DDDB or even just Goldstein himself is because I am probably the only person here who has actually met with them in person and spoke with them to get an understanding, and I can already tell you that they are not for keeping the Vanderbuilt Yards undeveloped and even supported a rival developer that has actually sat down with them unlike Ratner to build a more sensible project that will only use the rail yards, not recquire any subsidized bonds, and even keep more of the promises that Ratner will probably lie about.
Tal, I know I rail on you a lot, and I respect your right to believe what you want, but it’s over.
P.S. proving is spelled with one o.
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by yellow fever on Mar 19, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Prove your statements and then I will start seeing that you are telling the truth. Until then, I will find them be lies, stereotypes, or even personal attacks. In a debate, you have to back your claims and a blanket statement or talking point won’t work. If you deny an actual debate, it’s most likely that you don’t have the facts to back your claim, or you know that I have the upper hand and can easily prove you wrong hence humiliate you. I am still waiting for evidence that the complex will be a net money winner or even where the opposition is being greedy and selfish by refusing to sell when I tend to find the reverse of those claims to be more true. Overall, it comes down to the philosophical statement that right and wrong can change definitions depending on who is viewing it. BTW, I have nothing against those that disagree with my statements, it’s those who have actually attacked that I am against especially those who used insulting words or even took them out of context.
by Tal Barzilai on Mar 19, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
NetsDaily: This topic should be bumped up to the current spot.
Boxing gloves should be provided too.
This Blog is in itself a Newsmaker, not just commenting on the News.
The importance is that while the rest of sports reports that the NBA is waiting to approve Prokhorov, we have before us the root cause of our problem.

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