Magic: If The Nets Get Wall, They'll Have to Give Him The Ball
by Net Income on Mar 18, 2010 7:44 AM EDT
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Dave D'Alessandro and Fred Kerber got five minutes with Magic Johnson Wednesday and the greatest point guard ever talked about the kid he thinks could be the next great point guard...and what happens if the Nets draft him. "He’s just amazing," said Magic of John Wall. "He’ll have instant impact." So much impact, he thinks, that the Nets will have to give him the ball. Can Wall and Devin Harris work together? "Well, you probably have to think about trading Devin, because he can bring in something good," he said. "He’s a good piece, but if you’ve got to sell tickets and build around a younger guy, you can bring in a nice piece for Devin." Johnson added that he thought the Nets will do well in Newark and with Mikhail Prokhorov as their owner.
Meanwhile, Kerber reports that the Nets may indeed have interest in Al Harrington his summer, quoting team officials as saying Harrington "would be someone to consider" during free agency.
- Five Minutes With: Magic Johnson - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- Magic Johnson hopes Nets nab top pick - Fred Kerber - New York Post
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Clearly,
Magic is just trying to lower Devin’s value, so that his Lakers can get him in exchange for Luke Walton and Shannon Brown this summer.
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Magic is talking nonsense, I have to agree. Trying to degrade Harris so the Nets will trade him.
I remember people were talking about how good Jason Williams was and Houston should take him instead of Yao. Now look at Jason Williams.
Magic thinks Wall is the real deal
If Magic thinks that highly of wall, then i dont think we should pass up on him. apparently everyone seems to think he’s the next great point guard. Not that im condoning a trade harris and invest in wall, but we clearly can’t go wrong with this guy.
I wouldn't take Wall with the top pick, to begin with
And if we did end up with, Devin would still be a keeper, IMO.
Wall and Harris could never play together
One of them would have to be traded. If Wall is drafted, Harris clearly is gone. Honestly, Magic’s opinion about PGs holds a ton of weight, IMO. I don’t have a problem with Harris, but if Magic believes Wall is the real deal, then I’d be inclined to believe him. He makes a good point about building the team around a big name thru the draft. Imagine what Yormark could do with that.
On another note, Magic also seems to think Newark will work out well (good to hear). He and I also are concerned about a two year stay. A long term move is the best way for this to play out.
Nets are moving to Brooklyn in a few years
HELLO
forget “long term” for Newark…. not happening
The best way for this to play out
is to be at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
praying!!!!
I am really praying we draft turner no matter how the balls fall. He has that drive to win that the nets need so bad.
the same could be said for CDR or Harris
In fact most of our players have been key parts of winning teams before this season. We need a good coach that will facilitate and DEMAND a winning culture here.
Don't understand
how you think he degraded Devin. He just said Wall is a bigger name and he will make an instant impact. Hard to argue with that, just look at the impact Rose had with the Bulls. I think he’s paying him a compliment by saying that he would demand a good compensation in a trade. Like him or not, if Nets draft Wall, Harris would be the most logical person to trade while yielding the highest trade value. Don’t forget the injuries too. It’s all just speculation until the order of the draft is chosen anyway. Either way the future looks bright, as long as the Nets have a competent coaching staff to support. All the talent in the league won’t amount to much with Kiki at the helm.
Point is that
Magic is the Vice President of the Lakers, a team that tried to trade garbage for Devin last month and would probably love to trade garbage for him this summer.
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Lakers need a quick PG
If the Lakers fall short of repeating this year look for them to aggressively go after an established quick PG to ensure they remain at the top while Kobe still has knees. They have size, they have a stud, they need an upgrade to Fischer to match the good PGs in the West. We already know Devin is on their list.
NetsDaily.....
Is magic in charge of facilitation trades? I know he can approve it. Plus, he knows that Rod would not do such a thing. Rod knows that Devin’s stock is slowly rising again. You think that his words is going to move D.Harris to a team that could win it all for the next 5 yrs just for those bag of balls. I remember we were asking them Bynum for Kidd back then. I know that trade was different but they asked low and we asked high. Negotiations!!! Magics world are hollow at that point.
PTI
Last night on PTI, M Wilbon, said having conversations with many of the top NBA players throughout the season, including Kobe, that the overall consensus is that Evan Turner is the real deal in this draft. Apparantly Kobe said that Turner is the #1 pick with his NBA ready skills. In fact Wilbon said that the all the NBA guys he spoke to picked Turner over Wall. That’s all I needed to hear to confirm what I felt in my gut…that Turner should be the Nets pick and keep Harris.
Go Nets!
damn straight!
I don’t care for this Wall hype. I’d rather take Turner, take his game, leadership, and love for the game…and then eat my words if Wall turns out better.
on Sportsnation the fruit next to Beadlejuice
was saying Turner is better in every category and he’s got more experience.
Add to that he can play next to Devin and we still have TWill off the bench.
Wall’s turnover prone reminds me too much of Devin.
I could care less...
… about Magic. He’s gone to Kentucky to watch him, just like others, and he’s hyping him. John Wall is a ton of hype. I don’t trade an AS PG like Harris because I draft a 19 year old over hyped kid. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Wall will be a bust, no. He’ll be really good. But he isn’t the 2nd coming of MJ. A guy like Turner is already better than him and, while I admit Wall’s upside is bigger, I don’t think there will be a significant difference between them when it’s all said and done.
Anyway, if we get Wall, I actually think they could play together, as Wall is more of a pure PG and is really athletic, if he bulks up he could end up being able to guard SGs.
Nets won’t need to trade Harris. It would be insane to trade him indeed. This team is historically bad and they shouldn’t afford to lose the ONLY all star they currently have. I don’t get this obsession with trading the guy. We’ll have other assets like cap space and our later picks to address our frontcourt needs. There’s no need to move Harris, even if we get Wall. You don’t trade an AS who’s entering his prime years just because you draft a 19 year old kid. You just can’t.
I think what Magic said made a lot of sense
I agree with him when he said if we are drafting Wall, than we should look into trading Devin to bring in some good pieces. If we are drafting Turner, we should trade one of our wing players.
If we do draft Wall, I agree with what Magic said about them not being able to play together in the long run. Devin can try to mentor Wall but Wall will need the ball and should not be coming off the bench. We don’t have to trade Devin right away, but I do see him get traded eventually. Because if we don’t, it will end up being like RJ and Vince, they can play together but they don’t really fit well. We should trade Devin when his values are still high, because if we wait any longer his values will just decrease just like RJ and VC.
I say the logical choice would be for us to draft Turner so we don’t have to go through all these hassles.
Another option
may be to hold onto Harris for a season and have him mentor Wall, then use Harris in part of a trade in the FA bonanza of 2011. Carmelo Anthony, anyone?
Melo’s going nowhere and I don’t want Devin mentoring anybody. What’s he gonna teach the kid? I could see the two of them in the gym for hours practicing Devin’s patented “run as fast as you can head first into everything you see, score 2 points, and spend the next two weeks injured” play.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Mar 18, 2010 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or...
…dribble up court as fast as possible then pull up and pop a long three with lots of time on the shot clock, so that Lopez, who had raced ahead and was calling for the ball underneath, will make that funny “spoiled brat” face.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Mar 18, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Magic Past Tense
I have been saying it all a long.
J.Wall will be a great talent however, the need on this team is PF badly.
D.Cousins is the long term answer towards helping B.Lopez and helping D.Harris in the assist column when he passes it down low for the two bigs to finish.
This also opens it up for D.harris to hit his ten footer on a regular basis.
We didn’t even talk about running the break option.
Putting it all together simply says D.Harris plus D.Cousins is better now and into the future then drafting J.Wall and getting rid of D.Harris and still not having a PF to help B.Lopez.
No team is going to take D.Harris in a trade and give us a talented PF in return.
We would be trading him for a average player of no need to accomodate J.Wall.
This wwould leave us in a grat position.
J.Wall, B.Lopez, Yi.Jianlian,J.Boone.
Do you really think B.Lopez wants Yi and Josh playing next to him.
TAKE OUR TALENT AND ADD NOT SUBTRACT BY DRAFTING J.WALL.
Only way you draft J.Wall is if you can trade him with players and make a serious blockbuster trade for the better of the Nets.
This could happen, however if you are just looking at the pick of need and not looking to attack the draft then D.Cousins is the guy for us.
2010 Nets up front with D.Cousins, B.Lopez sounds like Duncan/Robinson of the future.
Talented bigs wins championships not PG’s.
Ask Magic, he walked into a older talented team with the one and only big Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
I am sure he would agree btalnted bigs wins championships.
# 1 pick
If the Nets get the first overall there is no way, zero chance they take Turner or Cousins.
John Wall is the pick at # 1
This team needs a fresh superstar to build around…Wall has a chance to be that guy.
Quicker Derrick Rose if I am correct.
I agree though, PF is a must for this team…maybe that’s where DL makes a splash across the river in FA
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Cousins is a center now. more in the mold of Shaq than Amare. Has he done anything that suggests he can play power forward in the NBA other than be big and strong?
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Mar 18, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Magic trick?
Magic Johnson knows that if the Nets draft Wall they will have to trade Harris, sooner or later. Magic is hoping it’s sooner, to the Lakers of course.
Stop the madness. Draft Cousins, Favors, anybody who can help us at PF/C.
Enough of these small guards and wings. We have enough to stock two teams.
Lets draft big and play big in 2010/2011…
You Got It
Bigs is the way.
Wow!
D.Cousins/PF
B.Lopez/C
K.Humphries/Back up PF
C.Aldrich/Back up Center (Trade Yi + Josh + Future #1 for high pick)
Now we would have four low post bangers whom all cann hit their free throws when they get foul.
Young, Strong and all play with heart = Success
Cousins is not
what this franchise needs…he is not he face of a franchise
Wall has that potential.
We can get a big through free agency or a trade with DH
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
OK
Enjoy watching Yi and Josh in 2010 season.
Have Fun.
Because I will be sad to see this not happen.
Same Oh! Same Oh!
GO BROOKLYN NETS!
You keep thinkin we're just gonna have Yi in 2010
Dziedzic…there is no question that we’re going to address our PF issue during the draft, in FA, or through trades this summer. It is going to be a priority. Don’t expect the 4 spot to be simply filled by Boone and Yi this summer. Proky’s gonna spend money and we’re gonna make the moves to get it done.
If we get the #1 or #2 pick, we will not and can not use it to grab a potential headcase like Cousins. Cousins or Favors with the 3 or 4…but with the #1 or 2…no chance in hell.
You do not pick Cousins in front of Turner or Wall because he’s not the type of player who makes his teammates better. We gotta pick someone up who can bring some semblance of team chemistry to the Nets. Turner or Wall could do that.
If we pick up Turner or Wall, we could make a move for Scola or DLee. We could also make a trade to move up in the draft to pick up another PF who could work behind and get mentored by a seasoned PF that we pick up.
Its not Cousins or bust like you’re making it out to be. And I know you read the DIME article about Cousins n Brook be the next Duncan and Robinson, well.. Duncan and Robinson are a couple of very level headed guys. Brook gets frustrated easily and Cousins is a potential headcase.
Agree 100%
Always draft the best talent at the top of the draft and then make a trade if you want to remake your rooster. Trade Wall/Turner or the #1 pick will get you an NBA proven top shelf PF if thats what you want.
Drafting a teenage big is a crap shoot at best. Zero chance Cousins goes ahead of Wall or Turner even to the forward black hole that is the NETs.
How many guards does one team need?
A blind man can see what’s wrong with the Nets. They have no “big” men. Lopez grabs 5 rebounds in 35 minutes. Hump and Yi are not starters, not even on this Nets team. Boone would not even be playing if not for injuries.
We have plenty of young guards.
What we need is big, tough guys who can rebound and keep other teams from scoring down low anytime they want to.
Cousins is considered a major talent in a king sized body, that rarely is seen that often. Some people think if he stays in school he will be the #1 pick in 2011.
The best Wall could be is Wade or Rose. Wade can’t help their own teams contend, but so how Wall is gonna make this Nets team champs.
Sorry, should read...
The best Wall could be is another Wade or Rose. Wade and Rose can’t help their own teams contend, so how is Wall gonna make this Nets team champs?
There's not a player on the Nets who can be ISO'd
Who among the Nets guards can create their own shot, is capable of consistently hitting that shot, and take it the hoop regularly. Since VC left, no one.
A big isn’t the only need the Nets have, they definitely need a guard who can be a leader and a true threat next to Harris. We’ve all seen how dangerous Harris can be with a good player next to him.
If we pick up a big like Cousins or Favors if we end up with #3 or #4 pick, that does not erase our need to improve our backcourt and the SF position. C Lee and Devin won’t cut it in the backcourt.
Either way this summer, if we get Wall we’ll still need to improve at the 3 and 4.
If we end up with Turner, we’ll still have to improve at the 3 and 4, but more likely if we pick him up, we’ll need more so to improve at the 4 since he can play both the 2 and 3.
Lets face it this….this team has tons of holes. Just look at the talent we put on the court on a nightly basis. Its sad.
We understand your take on this. You’ve made it clear in the past and now.
What people are saying in disagreement is this:
1. The 1st or 2nd pick should be used on Wall or Turner since those people think they are much better and more reliable than Cousins or Favors
2. A big can be brought in through free agency or trade. and that player will be better and more reliable than Cousins or Favors.
So, it’s not that people are ignoring the need for a big, which seems to be how you hear the disagreement. It’s that they have a different idea about how to fix the problem and how to use a No. 1 or 2 pick overall.
Cousins/Bust
I am not saying take D.Cousins or bust.
Lee and Scola are not the answers at PF for the Brooklyn Nets man.
I don’t even want to talk about Lee & Scola.
You draft for need along with talent.
D.Cousins is a very important team need and talent and heart.
Heart is something you cannot teach in a player.
Yi does not have it and it shows if you do watch the games.
How hard is this to understand.
For two years the team just started Yi at PF when he did not earn it or develop.
The guy should have been for two years with the second unit to develop some consistency.
Please also don’t tell me how M.Prokhorov is just going to spend all this money.
People like him and the rest of the ownership are smart people of business and will not just foolishly throw money around like you think.
Buying draft picks along with adding trade bait like Yi, Josh & C.Lee for more picks is the way to go with this team for talent, heart and team need.
Lee and Scola are not the answer or part of the puzzle based on their talent and age. Spending money in F/A on them is foolish for this team as I said earlier this ownership is to smart to just throw it around.
Please get off the Prokhorov thing because he and the other owners are not people whom want you say or believe that they are just a bunch of foolish owners throwing money around.
That is not going to happen they are again I say it for the last time to smart and successful for this kind of free spending attitude you are suggesting.
Enjoy the Brooklyn Nets.
Its going to be very exciting in the near future.
D.Cousins is the true answer to the B.Lopez partnership on the boards.
D.Harris is the leader at the PG
C.D.Roberts will become the SG that he is capable of once a coach is in place.
Ownership and smart basketball people that they are will do the right thing and just go out get marginal players Lee/Scola for foolish money.
Do you really think D.Lee as a PF is better then D.Cousins at PF?
That is sick if you thik so.
Look at Minnesota what they did drafting three PG’s last year.
Look were that got them because they went after Rubio and waisted another year without him.
They are at the bottom of the standings also.
Drafting J.Wall would be doing the same thing because we have D.Harris.
Need first with this team because after this we will not be picking at the top again and will never to fill needs with talent.
PF Is a Nets need.
D.Cousins is a top talent, with heart and that is rare to find in todays PF’s.
I said it before he is a C.Barkley type whom plays with heart and talent.
Try to get the question ask to Chuck, I am sure he would agree.
Enjoy!
Yi
Don’t make a promise that we will get rid of Yi.
For two years we died with him starting.
I am very sure that B.Lopez will want D.Cousins next to him next year if he comes into the draft.
Drafting the best talent is not the answer.
When you say this, you are saying that E.Turner, X.Henry, D.Cousins, C.Aldrich and W.Johnson are not talented enough because of J.Wall?
Give it a break and draft need and talent. Not just talent.
No I did not read some Dime article.
I just watch Duncan and Robinson play a lot of games in the past.
By you saying draft the best talent it sounds like you are reading to many Dime articles.
Enjoy our draft this year because if I had a say we would do it different then the way everybody goes every year.
Same Oh! is Same Oh!
I cannot wait to see whom comes out early.
GO BROOKLYN NETS!
If we go Big
I’vegrown on Favors kid will be a star in a few years. Cousins reminds me of a young Charles Barkley. Watching him on the bench huffing and puffing raises doubt in my mind he’s ready for the NBA stamina wise.
Derrick Favors with the lottery pick and Varnado in the second round giving them 2 power forwards. Humphries or Yi can be moved.
With the other pick they should get best small forward available to them.
Favors has the versatility to be a NBA power forward. Too bad we don’t have 2 picks in the top 5.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Mar 18, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What really is scary...
That the Nets would even consider Harrington is scary.
Even if he came cheap I would not sign him. Let some other team benefit from his great talents.
Who is better? Evan Turner or Tyreke Evans?
Evans is 1 year younger than Turner, and has one more year NBA experience,
Will Turner be better than Evans?
Evans averages 20-5-5 now……..so if we can’t get a better player than Evans, then we have to draft Wall?
But...
But If Turner is better then Wall, and we can’t draft Turner because Evans is better then Turner (are you still with me?) then we have to draft Cousins. Simple logic. LOL
Draft the best talent available
At the top of the draft – top 5 picks for certain – you always take the best talent and then make trades if you need to reshape your rooster.
Drafting Wall (or trading the #1 pick) will get you a proven NBA PF guaranteed. Drafting Cousins (or any teenage big for that matter) is a crap shoot. If we get #1 we pick Walls/Turner or we trade for a proven big.
Talent
J.Wall is 19 also does that mean he is not a risk like 19 D.Cousins?
Come on already there is no such thing as just drafting the best guy no matter what.
If they all come out.
There are a good fifteen players of talent that could help this team.
Drafting a J.Wall and trading him is OK if you can get another top five pick plus a a player.
Just saying another PF from another team is goingt o be part of trade is foolish.
How many tall, young, talented PF’s are there?
That will not happen.
There is no comparison between Wall's talent and Cousin's talent
At the top of the draft (top five for sure) you always take the best available player. How many times has a team drafted for need at the top and made mistake? Thabeet last year is the most recent example….of many.
Draft picks are one of many assets a team has including players on contract and cap space. You use your assets to build a team. And using the #1 pick to take the 3rd best player (maybe if he is not a head case and gets in shape) and pass on two unanimously agreed stars is reedicuulous (to quote Charles B.). You will get more trading the rights to pick Wall or Turner then the value of Cousins….guaranteed.
You pick for need further down the draft when the difference in talent is not so clear.
Well Yes
Yes Memphis drafted for need for a back up to Gasol.
The problem was and this is were yuor comparison does not make sense.
Thabeet to me was not a need of talent to take in my estimation.
I never thogh of him as a talent or smart basketball.
He is very typical of guys whm come from another country to just collect a NBA check.
So that is why it is not the same need as drafting D.Cousins whom is talented, plays with heart (Rare) and has that within to win and do it.
You really cannot teach it.
Thabeet was and is a person of height just collecting a NBA check whom thinks he arrived.
Sad but true.
Blame the Memphis people whom just don’t know talent and desire when they see it.
The team is in trouble and wil be sold and even move to Newark after our Nets go to Brooklyn. Just watch.
Nets Draft options...
Bleacher Report has a nice, recent, article by David Glazer, concerning Nets draft pick options and not just #1 pick, but later picks.
Killing Me
@Mike
Everybody is killing me about this D.Cousins draft scenario.
Its just that I get a little excited of the thought of watching two talented, tall, young, nasty forwards whom want to bang and win the game.
Duncan/Robinson
I just love it and see the future now.
GO BROOKLYN NETS!
Yeah, I know what you mean.
I think he’s a special talent, and he addresses our needs perfectly. Very good guards are a dime a dozen. Rose, Evans, Paul, Rondo, Mayo, Curry, Jennings etc.
Even though Harris drives me crazy, I can still live with him at PG.
I don’t think I can live with Yi, Humphries, Boone etc.
Cousins will be a force in this league. He is only 19 and some team might get the next Howard with the #4 or #5 pick.
But I’m a longtime Nets fan so I expect we will do the obvious and regret it. LOL
Oh Well
The Nets new Ownership is asmart bunch of people.
They know basketball.
Rose has no Lopez/Cousins
Noah needs a young PF
Rondo has no Lopez/Cousins
Kendriks needs a young PF
Paul has no Lopez/Cousins
But we the Nets have achance to have a Lopez/Cousins
He is the talent and need for this team.
D.Harris will average ten assists a game plus a good 18 points agame because now his ten foot shot will always be open because of the down low boys causing damage.
@Mike
I’ll buy the first celebration drink at the draft in June.
Lets keep our fingers cross for D.Cousins.
Wow! We will have two beast on the team.
Let J.Wall go to another team and three years when his rookie contract is over we can get him then as a F/A to play with Cousins/Lopez.
Now there is a real scenario of thinking baby!
Not out of the realm just think about that cookie.
"I’ll buy the first celebration drink at the draft in June".
If we get Cousins I’ll buy the whole bottle. LOL
People seem to think we don’t like Wall or Turner, but I know we are just trying to get the player, Cousins, who fits our needs best. Very few big men like Cousins. And wen can get him on our own.
Draft/Birthday
June 25th is my birthday.
I would love and do dream that I was there in the Draft seat to make the decision D.Cousins to the Brooklyn Nets!
Of course a few more clever trade deals to get a couple of more high picks to make us also happy.
Can you dig it!
J.Wall see you in three years after your rookie contract expirers.
He will be a F/A and then he will come back to us because he is not a fool and understands his buddy D.Cousins talent & value.
Not a bad scenario of future reality.
again
I have no problem with drafting Cousin with the 2nd, 3rd or 4th picks, but not 1st overall.
-Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Not Making Comparisons
It is not about J.Wall vs. D.Cousins.
It just about the need of the team and the opportunity to get it with a high talent level in D.Cousins.
If I was management I would work with him on the aspect of life so he can enjoy and improve as he goes along.
You have to do this with all the players.
Just some a little more.
Thats another job in its self.
All players change for the bad or the good when they get the big money.
You have to be there for them to help them along.
Money does change players and people.
You hope its for the good more then th ebad.
“Somebody Bring Me The Money Please”
they ain't Duncan and Robinson man.
Brook’s got a ways to go before he’s the caliber player that Duncan is. He’s not even as close to being as composed as him. He’s just not as smart as Duncan yet.
And Cousins…you’re comparing Cousins to the Admiral??? The kid is so talented but those are some tough shoes to fill. I actually am regularly more impressed by him over Wall but if you have a guy that hasn’t grown into his game yet and can be a CP3/Kidd type passer you have to go with him. With CP3/Kidd, as long as you got a big who can play D, rebound, catch and finish, you got yourself a serviceable PF because guys like Wall, Kidd and CP3 tend to have really good knack for finding them. Think about the PFs Kidd has made millionaires.
We need a perimeter player who can bring some team chemistry.
If we pick up Wall or Turner, I have a feeling like there will be a big that we can find later in the draft or move up for in the draft that could do what we need them to do after add perimeter threats like Turner or Wall are picked.
Don’t get me started on why Turner would be good for this team. As of now, he’s more proven than Wall at making his team better. A definite plus for him.
If we get the #3 or 4 pick Dziedzic, you can bet that Cousins or Favors is comin our way. Otherwise, bet your money or Turner or Wall because nothing else is happening with the #1 or 2 pick as absurd as it may seem to you.
I love DC and am one of his biggest fans- but we shouldn’t take him with a top 2 pick. Turner and Wall are the 2 clear-cut studs ion this draft. But if we fall out of the top 2, we MUST take. He’s a flat out BEAST.
If Cousins is what we really need
We could draft Turner or Wall with 1 or 2 and then trade down for Cousins and some other pieces that we need…even though I couldnt handle giving up either Wall or Turner
Strange but could happen...
We get the #4 pick and Wall, Turner and Cousins are off the board.
Please pass me that loaded gun. LOL
well anywhere between 1 and 4
We’re filling a need…if we get 3 and 4…we’re filling a need up front with either Cousins or Favors.
Favors is a bigger project than Cousins on the offensive end. I like what I’ve heard about him being better rebounder and defender than Cousins though. I also like Favors character.
As far as I’ve seen this year among the top 4 picks, Turner is the player most ready to turn a franchise around. I’d be so pumped if we landed him. I’m excited to see how he plays in this tournament.
If Wall really is the 2nd coming of Kidd…All i gotta say is Damn… sign me up. We’ll see how his play elevates in the tournament.
Favors is more of a defensive prospect, IMO, he isn’t a better project than Cousins on O, neither will he be a better rebounder. Cousins rebouding numbers per 40 minutes are simply nasty. That kid falt out produces every single second he’s on the court.
Cousins is the best big man in this draft, and it’s not even close. If we fall out of the top 2, it should be DC allllll the way.
yeah i'm definitely impressed by DC...
and i havent seen enough of Favors…so i’ll take your word for it Andres.
Yo Andres btw…how do you feel about not pickin Earl Clark now??
hahaha
I’m in love with TWill… :D we made the right choice. :D
Anyway, I always said I like TWill, I had him as my 2nd choice for the 11th pick, right after Clark… I just liked Clark a lot… I still believe he’d develop nicely on a young team.
don't think I forgot
You and I got into it last summer over those 2…haha…
It seems like we’re on the same page this year.
happy with DC
I’ll be happy with DC or Wall. Moves will have to be made based on who we get. I really think we’re in a good positions because we have cap space AND other teams 1st round draft picks. I CAN’T WAIT!!!!
Take A Break
Stop fighting and T.Will alone to.
Get on the D.Cousins wagon and everything will be solid.
I know talent trust me and maybe you to can join Mike and I for that Drink in honor of our team Brooklyn Nets.
Well Don't Shoot!
You will still owe me the bottle.
Don’t panic we take C.Aldrich/Kansas PF/C with that fourth pick.
This is the choice so put that gun away and get ready to buy the bottle and drink with me at the draft.
We also are going to get A.Rautins/Syracuse PG with our 2nd round pick.
In three years when J.Wall is a F/A he will be to shine Rautins shoes and llearn from him.
Bad joke about Wall.
But i do want A.Rautins this year as our third PG
GO SYRAUSE!
2010 NCAA Champions
Favors would be a nice consolation prize.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Mar 18, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes/True
But why not just trade Yi, Josh and C.Lee with future pciks to get into the top six of the draft this year?
The we can pay rookie contracts instead of overprice F/A money and still grow and win.
Then we can address are other needs.
SF/Backup Center/Backup SG
W.Johnson/C.Aldrich/E.Turner/X.Henry
We need a mean nasty spit in your eye own every rebound put someone in the stands PF
Cousins does not fit the bill. Cousins = Glenn Big Baby Davis. I would take Favors over Cousins if we end up at #3.
??????
Big Baby is nowhere near the rebounder Cousins is. Davis is a crying baby. Cousins’ thuggish attitude makes babies like Davis cry.
Yeah!
Now your talking Baby!
A PF with balls and not affraid to go after it.
Look at the Knicks their future PF is D.Gallinari. He scares nobody.
D.Cousins is a beast and thug whom we give it and bring it anytime to get the job done.
6/11 270lbs. 19 and not soft.
What more needs to be said.
B.Lopez will love to have this guy next to him.
Big Baby is a backup with heart but very little talent for the NBA.
2nd Best.
Just Watch
PF’s get fouled and go to the foul line to shoot free throws?
Is Favors good at the foul line or is he J.Boone at the foul line?
Favors played in the soft ACC.
Big Deal.
Cousins played in the horrid SEC. He also has the advantage of two of the best guards in the country feeding him the ball. Plus he’s crazy foul prone.
Favors has no guards whatsoever. Shoot 62% from the line just like Cousins. Is a full year younger than Cousins. Isn’t nuts. Give me him at #3, Cousins at 4
“Over his first 25 games, Favors averaged just 11 ppg, scoring in double figures in 16 of the 25. In his last 8, he has averaged 16, scoring in double figures in every game. He also increased his rebounding output from 8 to 9.5 in that span. Favors is finally beginning to figure things out.
He’s a legitimate shot blocking presence from the forward position, a la Josh Smith, due to his huge wingspan and explosive leaping ability.
While Cousins possesses a far greater skill set and is the more dominant player right now, the concerns with his maturity combined with Favors’ greater perceived upside have him ahead of Cousins on many draft boards.
When evaluating both he and teammate Gani Lawal, it’s important to keep in mind that both are in a time share which limits their touches, both shots and rebounds."
OK/Favors Fan
Fact D.Cousins wingspan is 7’7" on a down low mobile 6’11" frame.
OUCH!
Double, Doubles?
How many for Cousins along with breaking the school record and if I am not mistaken going to break a SEC record. I am not sure.
Look it, stop the maturity issue please.
He is 19 years old and has a pimp coaching him.
What do you expect form a 19 year old?
Guidance from his pimp coach?
Money can change any player along the way for the good and or the bad.
There are no guarantee’s with any player and even Pro’s already.
So taking that stance about maturity really does not fly with me.
In the Pro’s GM’s have to be more active to a point with relating to players and helping to avoid pitfalls in their lives.
WHY?
Because they are a investment to the team and you want them to do well outside of the game, so it does not have an adverse effect on their game.
Just think about it your 19, 6’11" & making 4million dollars a year.
Anybody with that opportunity is going to need some Professional guidance as he goes along in life.
Remember when D.Cousins tied the game the in the Tourney to send it in overtime?
That play had nothing to do with talent.
It all came from his will and heart.
That is very hard to find in 6’11" PF’s of 260lbs.
Remember D.Coleman of Syracuse he was drafted number one overall and had both talent and heart.
C.Barkley a person I don’t think much of but also had it.
I am just saying D.Cousins has all this and with a little guidance could and can be a D.Coleman and C.Barkley in the NBA as time goes buy.
Shaq has no basketball talent but at 7’2" 350lbs he could run down that court with abandon and nobody could stop him.
D.Cousins is the same thing however, he has basketball talent on top of it.
Leave me alone about D.Cousins because I see it and you are not going to change my mind about this find young man of beast, heart and talent.
Enjoy Your Day!
GO SYRACUSE ALL THE WALL!
@ Dziedzic – Did Courtney Lee do something to anger you or what?
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 18, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
i'd like to CLee for the future.
Once we get some more threats on this team, he’ll come into his own on a more consistent basis. That kid plays some good D.
No Anger
C.Lee is a decent player and learning.
I just think trading him with Yi and a future number one pick to get into the top seven pick this year will give us abetter player of talent.
Example: W.Johnson/SF Syracuse.
So if we take D.Cousins with our #1.
With the trade we can get W.Johnson.
D.Cousins/PF B.Lopez/C W.Johnson/SF
Just ask yourself by giving up a future pick and Yi along with C.Lee to get this talent.
Isn’t he far better then C.Lee?
W.Johnson is going to be a S.Pippen type talent with a superior jump shot for the NBA.
6’8" SF 215lbs.
DCousins is Fat, Lazy and Crazy!
I can’t believe all of the people here who are drinking the DeMarcus Cousins Koolaid.
He’s fat, lazy and crazy!
I feel pretty good about the draft, because there are four players that could help the Nets day one…Turner, Wall, Favors, and yes Cousins (in that order). I think it’s pretty clear that Turner and Wall are going #1 and #2 (in which order is anybody’s guess). If we end up in the top 2, I’m feeling great either way.
I would still feel great with either Favors or Cousins, but with Cousins it will definitely be a roll of the dice. He could be one of the all time greats, or a serious bust (E. Curry?).
His positives: Great in the low post, soft hands, great rebounder. His negatives: Not a good athlete, poorly conditioned (at 18!), not good on defense, has a poor motor y es loco en la cabeza. Also, as mentioned above, even his positives are a result of the fact that he has had the benefit of outstanding guard play from Wall and Bledsoe feeding him the rock.
Favors, on the other hand, is much more of sure thing in my opinion. He’s an amazing athlete, with great hands, a soft jumper, great rebounder and shot blocker and has excellent defensive technique.
The main reason why his numbers have been so poor is that GEORGIA TECH IS THE WORST TEAM EVER! Their coach (Hewitt) is a complete clown who turned the most athletically talented team in the ACC into a sub-500 squad (in conference), and never figured out a way to harness the talents of their 2 NBA quality studs (Favors and Lawal). He had Favors and Lawal stumbling over each other all season, which cut both of their (point and rebounding) numbers in half.
Their guards are a joke (averaging twice as many turnovers as assists, while regularly dribbling the ball off their knees, feet and each other).
If Favors were playing with Wall OR Bledsoe, he would have averaged 20 ppg/ 10 rpg easily. If we end up at #3 it’s Favors for sure….if we’re at # 4, it’s D. Cousins (and a couple of hail marys)
Favors is anything but a sure thing
He has much bigger bust potential than DC.
He’s athletic, which alows him to block shots and be a strong finisher, but Cousins’ skill set is far superior. Cousins also possess a good BB IQ. He isn’t as explosive. I don’t worry about him being immature. He’s 18, and Cal says he’s growing emotionally day by day.
Favors has been playing really well of late, but he hasn’t done anything to be considered a top 3 pick over Cousins.
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