Suffering Through Spring, Hoping for a Better Summer
by Net Income on Mar 17, 2010 8:37 AM EDT
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Rod Thorn says he's seen more college hoops "than I normally would. I watched all the tournament games last week until the power went out." Why? With the help of a friendly ping pong ball, the Nets would wind up with the 1st, 27th and 31st picks. Like most teams, the Nets have already done the bulk of their in-person scouting and will now watch on TV. Al Iannazzone reports Thorn has personally scouted Kentucky's John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins and Syracuse's Wesley Johnson. Nets scouts have seen Wall, Cousins and Ohio State's Evan Turner more than 10 times. Moreover, the team subscribes to Hoop 1 Video, which provides NBA teams with video clips of collegiate and international games. It's co-located with the Nets offices in East Rutherford.
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1. Turner- the absolute best player in this draft. This kid playing at the absolutely insane level he’s playing and putting up those unreal numbers after coming back from his injury is one of the most underrated stories this year. He’ll be a Scottie Pippen type of player.
2. Wall- he’s too overhyped. I’m less and less impressed with him every time I watch Kentucky. He’s a talent, and has superstar potential, but he isn’t the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ as some want to think.
3. Cousins- This kid is a flat out beast. He’ll be a 20-10 guy in the NBA for years to come. We need his thuggish attitude. He’s not mature yet, but he’s very young. If we fall out of the top 2, he HAS to be our man.
4. Favors or Monroe- Monroe’s so unselfish and has such a nice touch… I have to admit it, I’m in love with him. But he’s a finesse player. Favors is super athletic and has bigger star potential, and has been played really well lately. I’m not sold on him though. I see him more as a defensive player, as I think he needs to be spon fed on the offensive end. He’s a great finisher (he can finsih strong around the rim off passes, offensive rebounds, etc). Cousins is the FAR superior player.
Sounds like Cousins should be our pick.
Were will Turner play, SF? What about his back issue, is it all resolved? Is he coming out this year?
Not sure if you saw the sec championship game but cousins really struggled facing varnado. I like his game a lot but overpowering bigs won’t be as much of an advantage next year nor does he have same success facing long athletic shot blocker.
by Ryan243 on Mar 17, 2010 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Everybody has weaknesses, including Wall and Turner
I wouldn’t mind getting the #3 pick in two months.
Yeah but Mikes weakness
is pretty much that his entire game won’t translate well. Plus his weakness comes along with worth ethic and character questions.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
DC didn't have a great game...
… against Mississipi St, but he was they double teamed him a lot. And don’t forget Varnado is a solid defender. Yet, DC was absolutely clutch. Theres NO way Kentucky could have won that game if it weren’t for Cousins.
The most intriguing player in the draft...
Cousins is the player that sparks my imagination. Wall and Turner bore me. LOL
Why Cousins over Favors?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Why Cousins?
Everything I read about Cousins is intriguing. People speak of his great size and ability and of course his future potential.
They also talk about his negatives especially his emotional immaturity and his lack of effort.
Some analyst compared him to Derrick Coleman and Roy Tarpley. Those two had immense talent but of course they had their problems especially Tarpley.
Favors might be the pick but he doesn’t excite me. I want some entertainment for my money.
I believe the Nets need a big man playing along Lopez so either Cousins or Favors would be my # pick . Since I can only pick one, I would gamble and take Cousins.
Cousins is either going to be a huge success or a huge failure. It could really go either way. Just far too scary for me to mortgage the future of the nets on if there are sure things still on the board. If Wall, Turner, or Favors is still available, i’d take them. But if they’re all gone, the Cousins it is. Cousins and a whole lot of prayer
In for a penny in for a pound...
If you would draft Cousins with the #4 pick then should have no problem drafting him with the #1 pick. If he is that much of a risk don’t draft him with a top pick at all. Who knows, maybe he falls like Blair did. I highly doubt that will happen.
I would rather have Harris/Cousins then Wall/Yi
I think even if he's successful
he’s not going to be the type of player we need. He’ll likely be a Lopez type with a less refined offensive game. And would you rather have two Lopez’s in the front court, or Lopez and a shot blocking strong rebounding athletic 4.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Draft for talent, not for need
Don’t worry whether he’s a better fit next to Lopez than Favors. I actually could care less about that. I wouldn’t base my decision on who to grab with a top 4 pick on Lopez. He isn’t a franchise player, this team is HISTORICALLY bad, and I’m not passing on a better player like Cousins to take an inferior one (Favors) just because he’s a better fit.
Wrong Again About Cousins
The guy is playing center in college.
Ask yourself if he is next to B.LopezCenter, how much better he will be dominating the inside from the PF position.
Cousins/Lopez
The second coming of Duncan/Robinson
GO BROOKLYN NETS!
If he's plaiyng center in college
I doubt he’ll be able to transition to the 4 position. Players usually transition from the outside to the inside not vica-versa. If he’s not athletic enough for the 4 in college he’ll definitely not be athletic enough for it in the NBA.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Patterson is listed as Center. Its actually hard to tell between Patterson and Cousins as to who is Center.
BLopez seems to want to be a PF, just as he was in College and how Vince describes him.
If Patterson and Cousins work out pretty good and David Robinson and BLopez’s idol (Tim Duncan) worked out okay, then Cousins and BLopez should too (if they didn’t have a fight with each other!).
I think we like turner because he rarely struggles
i’ve seen him get any shot he wants whenever he wants…the game just looks so easy to him.
even when it comes to rebounding and passing…he’s a very good passer.
Thorn seems to be spending more time on the draft than in years past. Does that mean that Kiki is gone, gone, gone??? Or does it mean that he no longer trusts him?
Who really knows what is going on in Netsland...
Kiki might be too busy coaching right now. He has his hands full. Meanwhile Thorn seems to be sitting back and watching his television, nice and comfy.
Who knows, but, at the moment, I would think that Kiki’s main priority is trying to figure out how to get to 10 wins so the NETS don’t go down in history.
by GeoffreySchmits on Mar 17, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Why we shouldn't pick Cousins
When your coach is screaming at you, a freshman, and you scream eff you back, that kinda raises a lot of red flags for me
At least Cousins shows some emotion...
Cousins is a big baby in a highly intense atmosphere. Coach Cal is not coach K. Maybe they have a relationship where they can express their true feelings. LOL
Cousins is a big gamble but the risk is worth taking.
Turner and Wall are great young players but Cousins might have the highest ceiling of any player coming out. We already have guards, what we could use is some big men. Yi, Boone and Hump just don’t cut it as starters. Drafting Wall means eventually getting rid of Harris and or Courtney Lee.
Drafting Cousins means getting rid of Hump or Boone or Yi.
I would rather have Cousins and Harris then Wall and Yi/Boone/Hump.
God you sweat the kid. He’s struggled against real front lines. He got ungodly lucky to win a game a few days ago. He makes Sprewell look reasoned. I’ll pass.
There is this thing called free agency to address PF.
He is in love with Cousins. Anybody who feels Cousins has more potential then Turner and Wall must just really be in love.
What's love got to do with it...LOL
Yes, I admit it. I’m totally smitten. Anybody who is a combination of Derrick Coleman and Roy Tarpley, makes my heart go pitter patter.
Somehow though, for a player who is considered one step away from being Charles Manson, he is still high on most peoples list as a top five or higher draft pick.
How come????????
Cousins is the Nets Path
Everybody should stop about what other people think about Cousins.
Just do yourself a favor ant D.Favors either and watch him play yourself.
Then you will realize that D.Cousins is the man to put next to B.Lopez.
With all the lame people worried about his attitude
Just forget about it and let him grow out of it.
There is no gurantee’s with any player when they start making this crazy money.
So the difference between J.Wall and D.Cousins is that we have a serious need at PF. Along with getting a PF with talent that does not come along every year.
Just ask yourself do you want to go another year with Yi Jianlian?
I am sure B.Lopez does not.
Wow... I'm not the only one...
Plus Cousins is only 19. Wall even tried to fix him up with a player on their girls team. So he can’t be that bad. And like I said before, for a player that’s not athletic and a headcase, how come he is still so high on almost everybody’s draft list?
@Mike
As you have read many of my past draft pick ideas.
D.Cousins is and always has been the choice by me for the Brooklyn Nets.
A.Rautins/Syracuse in the second round is my other chocie of need.
Trading the Dallas pick along C.Lee and afuture number one to the second pick in the draft also makes sense to W.Johnson or E.Turner.
Wow!
Now only if th eNets hire me to make these smart moves.
GO BROOKLYN NETS!
"As you have read many of my past draft pick ideas".
@ Dziedzic;
Not only have I read your draft ideas, I have stolen them! LOL
Most of our fellow posters have an allergic reaction when it comes to “big” men.
The smaller the better. LOL
NCAA Prediction
The winner between Syracuse and Kansas will be the National Champion.
Duke will make it to the final and loose to Syracuse.
Kentucky will down some way along the road.
This seems similar to the NFL playoffs.
The winner of New orleans and Minnesota was the champion no matter whom they played in the Super Bowl.
So here it is again.
Kansas vs Syracuse goes on to face the Duke and wins the NCAA title.
Even with the injury to the big guy for Syracuse they will still win the title.
GO Orangemen!
Not me lol! Cousins would be the best pick for us. If he is better suited for the C position the put him there and move Brook to PF or vice versa. This way when one big is in trouble we still have one 7 footer that can bang inside and score points unlike THE OTHER 3 that we have.
by jasperjarrod on Mar 17, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins isn't 7' yet. Maybe he is still growing.
He only rebounds like he is 7’5" due to his “wide body”
This is also why Kiki being coach is stupid
Thorn is a TERRIBLE drafter/talent evaluator, and with little to no basketball staff I imagine there are many scouts around to help him decide on players. Kiki should be pulling the trigger he’s been much better evaluating young players, which isn’t saying much cause Thorn has been so God awful. Somehow we’ll get the #1 pick and Thorn will still manage to screw it up.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Thorn is King Net
Rod Thorn did a great job changing the team in short years of 14 out of 15 players.
#2
It was over when you go to the finals two years in the row in a weak conference and loose.
Burn out comes in and it is time to dissolve the team.
Just ask yourself how many championships has K.Martin, R.Jefferson, J.Kidd, V.Carter won?
How many will any of them win now that they are gone?
The answer is zero.
Zero is zero no matter how you look at it.
Oh one other item of mention, K.Kittles a key player on the two finals teams got injuried and that is what cause the demise of the team.
Stay on course and get serious with the draft and not F/A
D.Cousins/W.Johnson/E.Turner/C.Aldrich
GO BROOKLYN NETS!
Kiki took over as gm
and orchestrated the Kidd, RJ and VC trades, not Thorn.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Not True
Kiki answered to Rod all the time and did not do anything without Rod’s approval.
Kiki is a nice guy but does not fit in with the whole Big Brooklyn picture.
Rod on the other hand needs a right man to work with him and not against him to be more successful in the near immediate future.
It will come just wait and see.
I'm not sure you understand how a President of Basketball Operations and GM relationship works
Kiki got Rod’s approval but he was still the one who came up with the ideas and who to target in drafts and in trades. All Rod did was rubber stamp it. Thats how every gm/president relationship works Rod, had nothing to do with who was being targeted and the talent evaluation and organizational philosophies they just give the gm the okay to do their job, and if they trust the gm, which in any competent organization they would, they’re pretty much completely hands off and uninvolved in day to day gm operations. he just said okay, looks good to me, and Kiki went through with the deals.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
off topic*
Can someone start a draft thread in here where we can discuss all the players in the upcoming 2010 draft.
Why Discuss All?
Some players might not come out.
It will change the whole draft based on this.
Some teams might give up their picks if a certain guy decides not to come out.
Many things can change before the deadline for underclassmen to apply for the draft.
GO BROOKLYN NETS!
OK/Nets
D.Cousins/PF Kentucky
E.Turner/SG-SF Ohio State
W.Johnson/SF Syracuse
C.Aldrich/C Kansas
X.Henry/SG Kansas
A.Rautins/PG Syracuse
We can get four of these talents with trades, future picks and curent picks if we are agressive and clever.
Sometimes you give away the farm now for the long term future of the team.
Brooklyn Nets are in this position to score big in the draft if they are smart and clever about it.
Give away the farm? I think you meant to say zoo...
You really think we could get 4 out of those six players listed. I would be happy with 2.
Turner/Cousins.
Why is Favors not listed?
@ Dziedzic – So you would get rid of Courtney Lee just to move up two spots in the draft and take another guard. Why???
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 17, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
Yes
C.Lee is good as a solid two guard off the bench.
Just ask the Question if a deal is made for C.Lee with a team that needs him in the top five picks.
Don’t you think that getting E.Turner, W.Johnson, X.Henry are better players then him?
GO BROOKLYN NETS!
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