Draft Prospect Game Thread - Sunday, March 13
by NetsDaily on Mar 14, 2010 11:44 AM EDT
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The magic number (Timberwolves wins + Nets losses) to clinch a 25 percent shots at the top pick (and a guarantee at the top four) is 10. Right now, the consensus top four picks are all in action on Sunday.
The Dallas pick currently projects to be No. 27 and of course, the Nets' second round pick should be No. 31. So we may see more than one future Net today.
Here's the schedule...
SEC Final: Mississippi State vs. Kentucky - 1 p.m., ABC
ACC Final: Georgia Tech vs. Duke - 1 p.m. - ESPN
Atlantic 10 Final: Richmond vs. Temple - 1 p.m. - CBS
Big Ten Final: Minnesota vs. Ohio State - 3:30 p.m. - CBS
Links to DraftExpress profiles (pick projection in parentheses) after the jump...
SEC Final: Mississippi State vs. Kentucky - 1 p.m., ABC
- John Wall (1) - PG - Kentucky
- DeMarcus Cousins (3) - C - Kentucky
- Patrick Patterson (10) - PF - Kentucky
- Jarvis Varnado (36) - PF - Mississippi State
ACC Final: Georgia Tech vs. Duke - 1 p.m. - ESPN
- Derrick Favors (4) - PF/C - Georgia Tech
- Gani Lawal (29) - PF/C - Georgia Tech
- Kyle Singler (35) - SF/PF - Duke
Big Ten Final: Minnesota vs. Ohio State - 3:30 p.m. - CBS
- Evan Turner (2) - SG/SF - Ohio State
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Awesome idea, ND!
I love Turner and Cousins. Not sold on the Wall hype.
I really, really like Singler for the Mav pick or the 2nd round.
1. Turner
2. Wall
3. DC
4. Favors, Monroe orJohnson
It was my idea, yet I was too busy to participate
I could tell that with Nets doing terrible, we need some Hope.
Lets do it again when Ohio State and Kentucky are playing.
Maybe Syracuse and Georgia Tech.
Kentucky ending was amazing.
So was Evan Turner.
I am not in love with Cousins
Cousins makes me nervous. I see Eddie Curry every time I see him.
And so said the old man!
Terrific idea
Yet depressing at the same time. I will be watching the UK-Miss St. and Minnesota-OSU games.
I prefer Whiteside
Hassan Whiteside is the best prospect for the Nets with the Mavs’ pick. He’s got three triple doubles already this year with blocks, and oh, did i mention he is a freshman coming off the bench for Marshall? We need to draft that guy. He’s got size (7.0’’) and athleticism at twenty years old.
And so said the old man!
oh, I beleive he's averaging 15ppg, 9rpg and 5.4bbg
And so said the old man!
Sean Williams played 5 games in college to average his 5.0 blocks,
H. Whiteside played more than 30 games already and is still averaging more than 5 swats (no pun intended). Whiteside has a ridiculous work ethic and great character, and Sean, well we all know about Sean. Two different guys!
And so said the old man!
I don’t follow Marshall. Was just making an observation based on his stats and an outdated assessment that was eerily reminiscent of Sean’s.
Are his blocks Sean-esque heavy-risk/reward weakside blocks or smart, controlled ones? How’s his BBIQ?
Not Sean at all
He relies on his length and timing to block shots, not baiting players into thinking he is not around. He is compared to Marcus Camby, and best case scenario, David Robinson. He is a S. Dalembert type player right now, but should get better as he grows.
And so said the old man!
From what I've heard his offense is a LONG way off
Plus he’s going to play center not power forward.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
He's been discovered already
Well, never mind. Apparently, NBADraft.net has him at number five, ahead of D. Favors who has not impressed me thus far.
And so said the old man!
I beg to differ
Look at his footwork today and his abilty to play offball defense. He sits in the paint and plays with another bigman.
I think he will be a better player than Cousins. He has a great temperment.
If I had my choice you draft turner (if back is good to go)
Also the boy from Georgetown is a monster. Maybe you can trade your final 2 picks for him.
Favors>Monroe
Plus if Ed Davis comes out he’d be a stealll in the late first. He was a lock top 5 pick pre-season before he got hurt.
Monroe is smart and more talented
Better at handling the ball, passing, smarter on offense and defense, and can even hit the jumper.
The only thing Favors has is athleticism and “potential”.
I love Monre’s unselfishness and court vision. He’s an outstanding passer for a big man. He’s really skilled.
Now, he’s soft and lacks athleticism, so I understand those who think that adding a finesse player like him at the PF wouldn’t be the answer, but I would have no problem taking him over Favors if we got the 4th pick.
I just don't see how his skill set compliments what we have
It seems like him and Lopez are a lot alike.
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Monroe is a point power forward. We need a banger with post skills and big time D.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Mar 14, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Order
I am 95% sold on taking Turner at #1. My only positive reason for taking Wall first would be that Wall is only a Rookie, and a true bonnafied stud usually doesn’t stay in college. I just want a Lebron/Durant caliber player is all.
Wall's jumper
I haven’t watched Wall much (don’t like college hoops), but from what I’ve seen today, he doesn’t look at all comfortable when shooting from the outside. Two straight ugly corner jumpers at the end of the first half.
I guess you could say the same about Tyreke Evans at this point.
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I concur
I agree with you. Thinking about Wall makes me nervous. On second thought, if it is guaranteed that Wall would be the number one pick, the I’d like the Nets to lose the lottery and pick 2nd. That way, people would not kill us for not picking Wall 1st overall, and we know Turner will be great. Sort of like G, Oden and K. Durant
And so said the old man!
yeah, his mid-range game and outside jumpers arevery inconsistant. i like Turner better but i think people will almost peer presure us into taking Wall who has all the hype
Right, but Wall has excellent touch and can finish inside.
I think most scouts agree that he’ll eventually be a very good shooter. He’s only 18. Most 18 year olds can’t shoot.
I agree he'll eventually get better
but with Harris and T-will why take the chance on a 19 year old point guard when someone like Evan Turner who’s game is more likely to translate right away, and who likely doesn’t have much lower of a ceiling, is available.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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Wall in SEC Final: Clutch or not?
He missed an open shot in the lane at around 8 seconds left. Then in the rebound scramble on the next possession with about 4 seconds left, he missed a harder shot near the 3-point line—the one Cousins put back in to send it to overtime. The 3-pointer in overtime was when his team was already leading, so maybe there wasn’t the same pressure to make it?
(By the way, Kentucky shouldn’t even be struggling to get to overtime against Miss. State? Do Wall and Cousins get any blame for that, or given a pass because they’re so young?)
He’s really young and incredibly athletic, but I’m not sure I’m sold on how poised and overall smart he would be in tight games at the NBA level.
I feel like I have a stronger sense that Turner would be more reliable thay way.
But I’m open to hearing why I’m wrong.
Minnisota
The T-wolves have completely screwed everything up with there HORRIBLE draft last year. I don’t know whats going to happen. If we get 1st pick I fear we will be pressured into taking Wall. If Sota gets 1st pick I fear they will take Turner since they drafted so many PG’s last year.
Who takes Johnny Flynn that high in the draft, I mean honestly! There is no future there!
Wall is the real deal
The more I watch John Wall the more I love the guy. I no longer think its a question of Wall or Turner. Wall is such a phenomenal PG. His court vision is great. He is maybe the most unselfish star in college basketball. He makes an impact on the game whether he takes 3 shots or 20. He is adept at feeding his big men down low – and looks to get them involved early in the game and again to start the second half. Think Brook would like playing with a guard like this? I am now hoping that we get the first pick and take Wall. A Wall – Lopez duo would be awesome for the next 10+ years.
I still like the idea of trying to trade up into a top 5 pick to take Favors or Cousins but the chance of that happening is very slim. I don’t like pairing Lopez with Monroe at all – as they are both finesse big men and not particularly intimidating defenders. And Monroe got pushed all over the court last night.
Assuming we don’t make the trade and keep the 27th and 31st picks – I like targeting the best PF on the board at 27 which should give us a choice of Jarvis Varnado, Gani Lawal, Damion James, Craig Brackins (not a huge fan) or even a guy like Solomon Alabi who could drop.
With the 31st pick – if Da’Sean Butler is on the board you have to take him. We need a consistent shooter on the wing in the worst way on this team. Having that extra shooter would really help to open things up in the paint. And I love guys who have played in big games and came up clutch time and time again. This guy is not afraid to take and make a big shot and has ice in his veins. Oh and he’s from Newark. I love the kid. At 31 he is tremendous value.
If the Nets want to get creative – we could also look to trade or buy an additional second round pick and take a shot on Jeromoe Jordan or Artsiom Parakhowski – 2 traditional centers who could be groomed for a year in the D League and could ultimately become our backup center (obviously not needed if you take Solomon Alabi at 27). If you were to go this route – I would bring Boone back for 1-2 more years as a backup center – while these guys have a chance to develop with heavy D League minutes.,
i agree with a lot of what you say but you have to take into consideration that Wall’s team is like the Lakers. It’s an all-star team basically. Turner-on the other hand- is more fit for the ents in terms of leading a team with less talent. If you switch the teams these two guys are on, Ohio State wouldn’t be as good and kentucky would be even better. I like Turner more then Wall.
As for the Da’Sean Butler idea, i would take him at 27, if available. He’s too good to pass on.
But if were going to get all these wing player we need to trade 2-3 of these palyers.
CDR, Hassell, Harris, Quinn, Hayes(let him go), Lee(who i think we should kep but…)
How
How would this help Brook? I don’t see how it would. Brook is not a slasher like someone like Amare for example. High assisting PGs dont get their assists from passing to a posting big man, they get assists by fast breaks, streaking players, and penetrating and dishing to a good shooting team.
Stockton/Malone
Stockton was a wizzard of assists. They were not a fast break team. When you have a PG with the ability to penetrate the way John Wall can – the interior defense has to step up to prevent the penetration – leaving the dump off under the hoop for the big man. Wall just had one of these to Patterson 3 minutes ago (it was knocked out of Patterson’s hands).
And Wall is very very good at finding the big man on the lob or in the pick and roll. Wall would be dynamic feeding Brook in the post.
Well
That’s funny because you basically described Devin. If you watch many NBA teams around the league, the Devin to Brook lob is one of the most used PG to C lobs in the NBA, at least from what I have noticed. CP3 and Tyson Chandler are no longer together. Brook calls for it in the post right? Well when he does that, he waffles around, and by the time he puts it up, the assist is no longer valid because there is a time limit. I just don’t see Brook transforming into an agile, fast moving, cutting big man…. aka, his brother.
And Stockton had Jeff Hornacek on the 3 point line, and Karl Malone, one of the all time greatest scorers to dish it to. You don’t think Brook is anywhere near Malone do you? Also, Stockton and Malone had the pick and roll to flawless perfection. I just don’t see that from Brook either.
I understand your argument and honestly I was not huge on Wall until the SEC Tournament. The way this kid controls the pace of the game and acts as a leader on the floor and really dictates every play is something we are lacking in Devin. I have always felt Devin was a good PG but was really more of a combo guard. And both Wall and Harris have proven that they can be successful (perhaps more successful) when paired with another guard on the floor. Think back to VC last year – how often did we see him taking over the point duties while Devin shifted into an offensive minded 2 guard? And that is when Devin is at his best. John has proven all week long that he will have an impact on the game whether he is scoring or distributing, defending and rebounding.
John Wall has showed me that he is a pure PG and has the potential to be one of the best. Devin has proven that he can be a 20-23 ppg scorer when not asked to shoulder the load. Adding a defensive minded PG like Wall (and a defensive oriented coach) will also benefit Harris.
And imagine the looks into the post Brook will see from not 2 but 3 PG type penetrators on the floor with him in Wall, Harris and TWill. All 3 are very adept at the lob pass into the post and dishing off of penetration. THis becomes a hard team to defend particularly on the perimeter. And if you add a rebounding PF – the fast break potential of this team is reminiscent of the Kidd, Kittles, RJ and KMart era when they would get 25-30 points in transition a night. Wall and Harris would be 2 of the 5 fastest end over end players in the league – and TWill becomes an impossible cover for a PG or SG defending the break.
John Wall
Wall struggles from the field today, but here is why the Kid is so good. He is 2-9 fg, but has 8 assists. With the game close at the end, he has taken it upon himself to win the game for his team. He just darts to the other end every time even after a made FG and gets to the line. Oh my!!! I am torn. Wall or Turner?
And so said the old man!
yeah, earlier there was no question Wall is the #1 pick. it was the first pick or bust and now i would accept dropping to second and having the decison made for us so there is no way we could have made a bad choice ala the kevin durant/greg oden situation
Here is why Wall makes the most sense. I feel Harris should be and will be a part of this young core that is being built. But I have never viewed Harris as a pure PG (and I think most of you would agree). With VC, Devin played off the ball at times. Earlier this year, minus Dooling and before TWill got minutes Devin was strictly playing point but still looking to get his shots. Now that Dooling is back and TWill is getting real PT – you are seeing Devin playing off the ball more and more often.
If we draft John Wall he is the playmaking PG with the bball iq and skillset to start games getting his teammates involved but have the ability to attack the basket and score when the offense gos stagnant. Devin could therefore look to score as the second option to Brook.
With Turner we don’t have that option. This is why Wall should be the pick. Plus he will be one of the top defensive PGs in the league from day 1. He is exactly what this team needs.
Why can't T-will fill the purer point guard role?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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Championships
Can anyone name the last time a “pure” point guard won a championship?
We don’t need him, we need Turner. I want a championship!
I agree we need Turner
But I’m not sure what that has anything to do with my comment.
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Well
That’s what we all want right? A championship? Which are usually won with a great 2 guard or PF. Thus, Turner is our guy!
Is Turner a better scorer at the NBA level than Harris?
Harris has proven he can score 20+ a night. As much as I love Turner – he has not.
mute
These are all mute points when Harris wont be required to score100% of our points, which right now he basically is. We need Gay, and D. Lee!
If you have a staring lineup consisting of Wall, Harris, TWill, x, and Brook Lopez – Lopez is the primary option with Harris and Wall being a 2nd/3rd option. TWill has the game where he will always get his 10-16 points without needing plays called for him.,
You're giving up a lot on defense
and going incredibly small with that line up. T-will can defend well but he’s going to be at a size disadvantage starting at small forward, I think it’s a lot more likely he’ll be playing in the back court and guarding other teams shooting guards and point guards that it is that they’ll play him in the front court and expect him to match up against bigger/longer NBA 3’s regularly.
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You are too worried..
…about size, Gina. TWill is a perfect SF defender. It doesn’t matter if he’s no that tall for a three. He’s strong enough to guard strong SFs. That’s what counts. Actually, he’s better suited tp guard bigger wings than small ones at the guard position.
Not to mention shortening your bench
by having T-will starting.
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We have Hassell starting at the SF this year. CDR is not strong enough to guard 3s. Turner is a SG. Either way barring a free agent signing TWill is the starting SF next season. Yeah he is a PG, but he will be playing at the 3 next season.
I think it's likely we could bring in a small forward
or trade for one from our excess of back court players. Al Harrington, Josh Howard and Matt Barnes could all also hit the free agent market next year. I certainly wouldn’t pay a big amount for him but Harrington seems like the kind of player we desperately need, someone who can play multiple positions in the front court relatively well. And there will be crapton of other relatively young sf/pf types that haven’t gotten much of a chance other places, that will be available in the off-season. I think it’s more likely they sign one of them, or even resign Hayes, which is bleh but w/e, then start T-will there. They seem to him as the pg of the future.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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Lineup of the future... my preference at least. Forget about Lebronze
pg – Harris
sg – Turner
sf – Rudy Gay
pf – David Lee
C – Slowpez
That would leave the bench roles for
pg – Dooling
sg – Lee
sf – Twill
pf + C – who cares
If we get Turner I don't think there's any reason
to go after Gay, we’d be better suited finding a strong defensive/rebounding small forward who doesn’t need the ball in his hands. That line up has to many players you need to run plays through.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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But
The thing we lack most is an explosive scorer, who we can go to for a game winner. Gay seems to be doing just fine in the system he is in now, with Mayo and Randolph, both “scorers.”
That's 3 scorers
you’re line up has 4 players who need plays run through them. The Grizzlies have Gasol who attacks boards and Conley who don’t have plays run through them. Plus I’m pretty sure Turner would be expected to fill the role of explosive scorer.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
If we get Turner we could..
wait til the 2011 FA market. If the Nugs aren’t in good shape by then, which is very unlikely…
We could sign Brooklyn native—-Carmelo Anthony…a true SF.
Harris
Turner
Melo
PF- ?
Brook
Hella good.
In the NBA he'll be a 2
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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Atrocious shooting on the Perimeter
The shooting on the perimeter would be pretty atrocious with Wall and Harris, but Harris would definitely get some better looks with a 1/2 who could be iso’d.
I don’t think Brook can be our #1 option.
Harris has also been injury prone
and is kind of expensive, if Turner can fill the same role, and likely play better defense, it could make sense to move Harris to fill holes in the front court.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Again though….do you trade away or give up an All-Star PG who has proven that he can deliver for an NBA team (look at his stats the past 2 months when everyone knows he is going to score now that he is healed) for a guy who may not pan out in the pros? I do not like trading an established player for a college player.
Like I said I wouldn't make the trade on draft night
I’d wait to the deadline, if Turner proves he can handle the load, like Tyreke Evans did you can move Harris at the deadline, or the 2011 draft, for front court help like the Kings did with K-mart. It’s actually a pretty similar situation as K-mart was injury prone and relatively expensive too, and they got a great versatile front court player in Carl Landry. Harris has healed now but he’s missed about 20 games a year the last 3 years. If a guys been that injury prone for his 24-26 year old seasons, what do you expect for his 27-30 year old seasons?
There’s also the fact that freshmen point guards that have dazzled in NCAA and left early haven’t always translated particularly well. Wall’s also struggled a lot running a half court offense and with Lopez it’s unlikely we’re going to become much of a fast break team.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I don't get it
Turner, who WON’T be a PG in the NBA, won’t make Harris expendable, but better, ala VC. With a playmaking wing alongside him, Devin will be an AS again. He is already playing at a high level.
And we could fill holes in the frontcourt using cap space and our other picks. No need to move Devin… not at all.
And how’s Harris expensive???? He has a good contract.
For what it's worth
Pistons defeated Shaq and the Lakers in in the 2004 finals led by finals MVP Chauncey Billups,
The Legend
true
Yes, but I never have considered him a true PG… or even a good PG! Crazy yes, but I don’t like the guy. And he hasn’t really earned his “Mr. Big Shot” name.
He only averaged above 8 assists once in his entire career also.
The earliest I can think of would also be another Pistons guard… you know the guy who single handedly screwed the current Knicks over for years.
If we draft wall
we have to get rid of Devin. Both are too thin to be in the same back court of the defensive end. if we draft Turner we keep Devin.
Wall is hard for me to judge because he plays on such a telented team. Right now I’m thinking Turner
Think about shooting, too
I doubt we could keep Devin if either happens, unless he’s coming off the bench. Neither Wall nor Turner are good shooters. Nor Devin, for that matter.
well, if we get Turner we could probably play him at the 3 but hes a better PG. and i woudnt trade Harris before were sure this guy is our future.
I don't think Turner is a better pg
I think he’s going to play sg, or maybe sf it certain line ups in the NBA.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Disagree that drafting Wall means trading Devin
I think that Devin and Wall would coexist very well together. Wall has proven that he can play PG while a smaller teammate plays SG/PG (Bledsoe). Wall is a great defender. A great floor leader/general. Devin is not a great facilitator. That has been the knock on him all year,.
Turner is 6’7. What are you talking about? He and wall are entirely different players. And as far as that goes Turner looks good for another 10 lbs or so which would put him at 215. Good for an NBA SF
There's little chance he'll play sf in the NBA
he could but he’d be much more useful playing the 2 because of his size and ball handling skills. And I’d imagine 6’7 215 would put him near the smaller end for nba small forwards.
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Agreed, Jid
IMO, Turner is more of a SF.
Gina, actually, Turner’s ball handling and playmaking abilities would be much harder to match for SFs than SGs. Guards are used to defend guys who can handle the ball and create for his teammates. Bigger forwards would have a tough time trying to guard a guy like Turner. Point forwards are difficult to match up against. And Turner wouldnt have a great physical disadvantage on D against SFs either, neither he’d have that big of a physical advatange playing the 2.
this Varnado guy is the answer to our problems! Great defender, shot blocker, and posses offensive skillas welll
ahah
Vanardo can become a good bench player, or even a good bench warmer, but he is not the answer to any team’s problems. As far as what he brings to the table, yes i do think we need defense and shot blocking
And so said the old man!
That Johnson kid
The kid just scorched KU
And so said the old man!
Yeah, Patterson was looking a lot better than Cousins.
And boy did those two last shots by Wall look terrible.
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I'm with you
I saw Patterson in a high school all-star game and thought he was a sure shot in the NBA.
Wall vs. Turner going to get interesting.
Patterson should be on the wish list of Big Men to trade up with Dallas pick
There are likely to be some good Bigs to be in the #11-#!8 or so group.
As you said $3 million thrown in could hurt, plus CDR future picks (maybe even Yi, but not TWill anymore).
Wowwww
Great game. Kentucky got lucky (believe me this time, i was not trying to rhyme…danm, i did it again)
And so said the old man!
I hope u saw the georgia tech game
I’m sold on favors…so strong and athletic..22 points and 10 Rebs….I was hoping gt would upset duke… Oh well
1. Turner
2. Wall
3. Favors
4. Cousins
I think we can’t go wrong with this draft… Lets hope
by Andy. on Mar 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Calipari: "Come on, we shouldn't have won the game."
Explains why he had DeMarcus Cousins still in with them up three.
cousins vs favors
today helped to really cement my argument about Favors over Cousins. When Cousins can’t overpower guys in the post or is facing a long interior defender (Varnado) he really struggles.
Favors is going to contibute immediately on defense and on the glass (which will fuel the break) and is a better compliment to Brook than anyone else in college basketball.
If you still are on the fence……ask yourself this question…..Would you prefer to see Brook teamed up with Amare Stoudemire or with Shaq? I don’t recall vintage Shaq ever coinciding with a big PF. There was no room in the paint…
I think you mean pre-micro Amare
I’m not sure how the current Amare would team with Lopez either.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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cousins
he just looks lazy on the court, and is lucky he is on a great team with a great pg. I really think if you switched favors and cousins onto each other’s teams, favors would be a no question # 3 pick and cousins would not. Also favors has a huge ceiling and freakish athleticism and has a steady, down to earth, hardworking attitude, not cousins.
Either way we are going to get a good player with our pick
Its on the coaching staff to make the pieces fit. Having talent is never a bad thing
Unless Thorn is making the pick
then somehow he will screw it up.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
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What’s this thing that Ohio State does? The thing where you try to stop the other team from scoring….
what r we going to do with lee
if we draft wall at one…then put devin at sg. What is lee going to do?
regardless of whether we draft turner or wall
Lee can still play 30 plus minutes a night off the bench. You don’t need all your scorers in the starting line up.
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Nice from 3 today
Turner is shooting real nice from 3 today. I’ve noticed through out the latter part of this college season that Turner shoots the 3 best from the top of the key.
Today he has been doin well from the top of the key. His other 3 from the top right was way off. He’s takin the initiative to extend his range it seems tho.
Turner has looked awesome today.
Our bench could be really good next year. We should have a lot of depth – at least on the perimeter. I wouldn’t be upset if Yi ends up as our backup PF where he is better suited to scoring and playing D.
What will be the best night of the next 12 months though, will be when Yi matches up with Cousins. Cousins might throw YI into the second level and then flex.
thats an understatement
and he’s been playing out of his mind all day today. he almost had a double double in the 1st half… the last couple of And-1s he had in the last five minutes of this game were sick…especiallly the one where he did two spin moves in a row.
kinda of a tangent….but David Lighty looks great out there. I think he could end up bein really good for Ohio State next year and even end up pretty high in the draft if he goes.
He’s got great touch around the basket and some real good body control.
Turner is better than Wall
Turner is a player that can come in and make an impact right away… wall is too raw and a project. Turner is the real deal we’d be making a mistake if we pass up on him.
Turner or Wall...Turner?
I’m leaning toward agreeing on Turner over Wall. But what if Wall’s potential is much greater and he lives up to it?
The No. 2 slot in the draft would solve the agonizing over the decision, but we should want to know which one to choose and control the choice with top pick.
Most of us agree, Turner>Wall
In fact Wall would be like Devin Harris, except he jumps higher. They are similar size.
Turner would be an Impact player in his first year. He would play alongside Harris.
AND TURNER IS NOT A PG.
In the NBA he would definately be a SG who can distribute the ball, get to the rim, play D and rebound… what more can you ask from a player is my question?
Yeahh
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Turner finishes with 31 points, 12 rebs, 6 dimes, 5 blocks, 3 steals, 2 personal fouls and a Big Ten Championship.
Character. Leadership. Game.
This kids got it all in my mind besides a 3. And even tho he’s a good defender, he’ll definitely need to work on his lateral quickness on defense comin into the NBA.
Not a fan of jargon like “dimes”. Just saying… Maybe I’m too old, but it sounds contrived. Notice all the other categories listed are actual terms (or at least abbreviations) for them, which I appreciate and think comes across as serious and worth reading.
Anyway, I don’t mean this about you. More about the Stuart Scott-ization of sports coverage.
My starting lineup for next year with John Wall:
Point Guard – John Wall
Shooting Guard – Courtney Lee
Small Forward – Terrence Williams
Power Forward – Anderson Varejao
Center – Brook Lopez
with Rick Pitino as head coach
My starting lineup for next year with Evan Turner:
Point Guard – Mo Williams
Shooting Guard – Evan Turner/Courtney Lee
Small Forward – Al Harrngton
Power Forward – Greg Monroe
Center – Brook Lopez
with Sam Mitchell as head coach.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 14, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
How do we get mo williams and harrington?
iwould do this with turner or wall
Turner/ Wall
Lee
Gay
D.Lee
Brook Lopez
trade Harris for solid bench pieces and draft picks
Devin Harris for Mo Williams. Chris Douglas-Roberts for Al Harrington.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 14, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
Why in the world would we do that
1. Al Harrington can choose to opt out so he may be a free agent, for 2. Why would we trade Harris for Williams, I’m pretty indifferent to Harris but we can probably do better than Mo Williams for him.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Why not?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Maybe we could beat it out of him
But yeah I don’t think there’s anything more frustrating than talented useful players who don’t know they’re limitations.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
NCAA Tourney: Turner vs Favors?
Possible second round matchup if Georgia Tech gets by Okie State.
Also, put me down as another person who likes Turner over Wall at this point. Here’s how I see it:
Turner = Brandon Roy 2.0
Wall = Devin Harris 2.0
I know who I’d rather have.
BTW, nobody putting Wesley Johnson in the mix for the 3 or 4 spot? I think he needs to be considered, especially since it will be easier to get a good PF in free agency.
I like him
but I can understand why he’s not being put that high, he’s kind of old, 4 years older than Favors and 3 years older than Al-Farouq Aminu. Which is probably why most sites seem to have them above him.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
No, because we could always move John Wall to shooting guard.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 14, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions
If we got the first pick
We have to get Wall. I like Turner. I really do but Wall have a more attraction than Turner. Better coaches would rather coach Wall than Turner. They can open up the playbook more with Wall than Turner. Turner would try to get his which is the same with T-Will, CDR, Harris. Wall will feed Lopez the ball and we will get him to the line and he will finish easily being 7 ft from the basket. Also the pick and roll will be better. Now even if they go underneath the pick that first step will help give brook even more room to shoot. No Wall is not a shooting guard.
Wall is just better. Then Keep or trade Harris.
Um what?
What is any of this based on?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
IMO...
JVG & Avery J would like a defensive pg who can help on the weak side. This team does not need another wing player. By using Harris as the 2 you can do more damage and use him better. Then Lee come off the bench to be in the corner waiting for the pass and T-will to take it to the hole. Now, if we have the second pick then I will take Turner and that would simply change the way the make-up will be.
Actually he is a shooting guard in the NBA.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 14, 2010 6:28 PM EDT reply actions
Harris is 27, Wall, 19
And so said the old man!
Georgia tech vs Oklahoma state on Friday, winner will play Ohio state… Let the tourney begin.
by Andy. on Mar 14, 2010 7:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Turner
Turner is the pick.
Devin has proven he can be a big part of a championship quality team, he can lead a team to the best record in the league, he can play lock down D (needs the right coach if you want this again), he can score, he can assist (6.7 per game with maybe the worst outside shooting team in NBA history), he is a great locker room guy and a great team/community guy. He is not a #1 player, but no small point guards really ever are (and Wall is unlikely to break this mold).
Harris, CLee, Turner and Williams provide a very nice set of young multitalented interchangeable parts in the backcourt.
Lopez fills the middle.
Get/buy a stud free agent small forward (Lebron or Melo).
Chase a mean and nasty PF with every other pick you have in the draft or with your remaining cap space.
Get ready for the parade.
Good discussion today.
Should we do another one of these when the tournament starts?
Kentucky plays Thursday. Ohio State, Georgia Tech and Syracuse (we probably have to bring Johnson into the discussion) play Friday. Turner and Favors could face off on Sunday if they both win Friday.
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While its clearly a win win situation for us if we get the #1 or #2 pick.....
There’s no denying that if we get the 1st pick we HAVE to take Wall this cat is a Lebron James in a PG’s body, he’s clearly a guy you can build a franchise for the next 10 years on.
And while I am a fan of Harris (when he’s healthy this guy can be a fantastic third option on a championship team) should we the option of drafting Wall we do it and trade Harris for the best option available.
On the other hand should we get Turner this team can still make a major turnaround next year.
Something along the lines of:
Harris/ Williams
Turner/ CDR
Gay/Lee
David Lee/Yi
Broke Lopez/Boone
Now THAT is a deep ass team.
On a side note I think one of the most important things we need to do this off-season is direct our attention to the 2nd class FA’s from the start.
While everyone will be going crazy thinking they have a chance at the Lebron’s and the Wade’s we’ll go and get the safe bets while everyone will remain with nothing.
Lebron James
without Lebrons James’s body is decidedly less impressive. A major reason Lebron is so impressive is because of his mix of size and athleticism, you take away the size and you’re taking away a massive part of his game.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
They will all come to us
Hold out for a superstar. Only once in a generation do the factors come together to create the potential to actually land a player like Lebron. We have to do everything we can to attract a number one guy before we give up and settle. I am even OK with a challenging 2010 if we can get Melo or Lebron (assuming he holds on for one more year on Cleveland) in 2011.
As for the second tier guys…..they will all come to us. With all the upside we have to offer and the deep deep deep pockets of our new owner, what agent would ever let his client sign without first visiting the NETS?
Devin Harris > Mo Williams? Do you think it is still 2007?
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 14, 2010 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
Hadn't Mo got traded to Cleveland...
…he would have never been an AllStar. He’s just an LBJ product.
Potential, Best Player Available, and Need
Wall is definitely the consensus 1st pick. Turner is the best player right now. But, Favors would probably do the most to make the Nets better. The Nets greatest needs are outside shooting, rebounding, and a strong defensive post presence who can guard interior and perimeter ( see Scola 3/13/10, and others). Most important the Nets draft someone with a high BBIQ, good work ethic, and tough skin (Cousins is eliminated).
Neither Wall or Turner have great shooting reputations. Turner looks incredible, but IMO his game would be somewhat diminished in NBA against bigger more athletic players. I still love his complete game. I would still pick:
1) Wall
2) Turner
3) Favors
But I think Favors would finally be the defensive minded 4 that has been missing since Kenyon left. (how good was Kmart at 19?). Turner and Wall duplicate much of what they already have in Harris, Lee, CDR and Twill. They project to be better than any of the 4 players mentioned, but not sure that they would be dominant players. I don’t see any defensive dominant 4s in free agency, It might be easier to get a 20 pt scorer as FA. What would Harris return in a trade? Might not be so bad to get the 2nd or 3rd pick in this draft.
Todays discussions were a lot of fun. Not sure I want to be constantly posting during the first two rounds though. Feel I missed too much today game wise. I’m running brackets if anyone interested. Just hit me up or leave a fan post.
And I believe a Wall/Harris backcourt would be dynamic. I bet Brook would be salivating at the idea. But I can see the attraction with Turner and Favors as well. As long as we are top 3 everyone should be happy.
Believe it or not the Dallas pick will be the most important pick we make. You know you are getting a stud with our pick. Good teams and GMs seem to always find solid bench value in the 20s. The Nets………not so much. We have so many needs….to strike out with that pick and our 31st would not bode well for the future.
by Ryan243 on Mar 14, 2010 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Turner plays the 2 in the NBA
who’s going to be bigger? He’s 6’6-6’7 and can probably play at around 210. With his ball handling skills there’s no reason he can’t play the 2 guard position.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Keeping the core
I’m happy with Harris at PG. He works very well with lopez and i think we need some consistencey going into next year – they already have a good on court understanding. That puts me more in the Turner than Wall camp. Turner can also play 3, which we need, althoiugh he should play more at 2.
A good PF and maybe Gay at 3 from FA or trades should sort us out nicely. Again, with so much potential change i think maintaining the Lopez/Harris connection is even more important.
@ Andres B – So should we put asterisks next to Zyrdunas Illguskas’ All-Star Game appearances in 1998, 2001, and 2003?
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 15, 2010 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
@ Jay-dub – No, but my point in saying that like I did was coaching has a major impact on player perception. Get a real coach (like Lawrence Frank, NOT Kiki) and I would agree with you.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 19, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
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