TWill's Up Week Gets Him Rookie Recognition
by Net Income on Mar 10, 2010 2:25 PM EST
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It's as if Drew Packham and David Thorpe aren't quite sure Terrence Williams has turned the corner with his 13/6/6 week. They like him, say nice things about him (Packham in particular), but note that he still needs both consistency and structure if he's going to succeed in the NBA. Packham devotes his entire column to TWill, concluding, "If Williams continues to see playing time -- and really, why wouldn't the Nets let their rookie run? -- expect him to only improve." Thorpe calls Williams "a very talented wing player who needs a strong structure around him" but ultimately says he's been "a disappointment". He suggests Omri Casspi, the Israeli baller, would have been a better choice for the Nets. Still, he jumps Williams 12 places in this week's rookie rankings, from #31 to #19 and in his chat agrees with a fan who suggests that you can't "blame anyone on that team for having a bad year when the entire season has been one big joke."
- Rookie Rankings: Williams showing signs of potential - Drew Packham - NBA.com
- Rookie Watch: What if these rookies had gone East instead of West? - David Thorpe - ESPN Insider
- 2009-2010 NBA Rookies - Top 50 - David Thorpe - ESPN Insider
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Twill will ultimately...
be a good pick for the nets. Yes other rookies have shown flashes of brilliance. And yeah woe prob should traded our one pick for Chicago’s 2 first rounders but we can’t live in the past. I like twill and think he will be a great asset for the nets in years to come. I will take 12 6 6 all day. He has become a pretty good defender and can play multiple positions.
This season was never about the present anyway. Terrence is a microcosm of what this season is about. There have been some bumps in the road, but if he works out the kinks by next season, mission accomplished.
Successfully develop during an historically awful season with suspect coaching really has to be attributed to strong character, no matter how checkered a past you’ve lived or how many red flags you’ve raised along the way.
All in his head...
Anybody who has seen T-Will play when the season started knows that he has great tools.
His big problem was all upstairs, in his head. He wanted to prove to everybody that he was a good shooter. He didn’t listen to the coaches and acted like a jerk.
Now that he seems to have turned the corner everybody will be jumping on the T-Will bandwagon.
Another guard that will see no time once we draft Wall or Turner.
I hope that's not the case.
This guy deserves to play, no matter who else is on the team. Then again, I suspect we’ll trade our top pick, so I may not be the best person to believe. Still dreaming of Gay and DLee, with TWill being the ultimate 6th man at 3 diff. positions…
Hopefully we can let Harris, Lee, T-Will + CDR play...
When asked yesterday who should be SEC MVP..
Arkansas coach John Pelphrey leans toward the 6-11, 260-pound Cousins.
“Somebody compared him earlier in the year to (former LSU star Shaquille O’Neal) and I played against Shaquille,” said Pelphrey, a former Kentucky standout. “I don’t know if that’s fair to anybody, but Cousins is the next-closest thing. Physically, one man can’t guard him.”
TWill is going to be the point guard of the future with Wall/Turner the shooting guard. Devin, Courtney and CDR will be the guards off the bench. TWill does not need to score to be effective hence starting him with Wall/Turner, Brook and hopefully Lebron or David Lee makes the most sense.
Plus if we don’t address the SF position and only focus on the PF position – then you could even play TWill on the floor with Devin and Wall/Turner – with TWill guarding the other team SF but facilitating the offense. Many of you think thats crazy – but you are already starting to see this – with TWill running the offense with Devin and Lee/CDR on the floor.
He’s the perfect choice for PG of a team that will be an inside-outside offense, especially one that looks poised to end up with a mega talented SG to combine with a franchise type center, and what will ultimately be a very deep 2nd unit.
Harris coming off the bench?
No way Harris will be a bench player. C. Lee will leave 1st chance he gets if regulated to the bench. Why do we insist on bringing in more guards? We have talented young guards.
But somehow we need future “superstar” guards.
Makes no sense, but then again we are talking about the Nets and Nets fans.
If you have a top 2 pick you can not pass on Wall and Turner for Cousins. The risks are far too big. Unless as a GM you feel like getting fired. It wouldn’t happen.
If we take Wall or Turner they are starting at the 2. Thats a fact. Courtney Lee goes to the bench – but will have a role like JR Smith has with Denver. It sounds aggressive to say DH come off the bench as PG – but it depends on what other pieces we add on this team. If we add a PF along with our SG (via draft) but don’t add a SF – by default TWill will be the 3 but will run the point. That would allow Devin to play off the ball on offense. Adding Turner gives us more options than Wall would
Honestly as for Cousins – I just worry about his mental makeup. Brook could play more of a pick and pop type center role and offensively they could co-exist on the floor at the same time. Defensively would be a problem I think. But few teams would have the personnel to really punish them – and 2 big bodies clogging the paint would limit the penetration from the wing.
But the red flags stemming from his mental makeup are big concerns for a young team lacking veteran leadership. Maybe when we have the new coaching staff in place it will alleviate some of those concerns. But I think more likely it will not. We as a team, have not fared well with unstable guys. And a lot of that can be attributed to the NYC Metro area where the distractions are that much bigger than in other areas of the country.
Mental makeup?
Brook Lopez is a pussycat. We need somebody to put fear into opposing teams players. The only tough guy we have is Humphries and he can’t play.
Everybody thinks that Wall and Turner are locks to be stars in the NBA.
Nobody believes that Harris and Courtney Lee or T-Will are any good.
Everybody thinks 19 year old Cousins is a psychopath, who can’t run or jump.
I must be missing something..
It’s not that you’re missing anything. It’s that you continue to ignore/downplay the objections:
—discipline problem, especially an issue on an already young team with character questions
—big body but not all that athletic
—raves from college experts are tainted by their being shills for the college game
Cousins has red flags in his background going back to his early high school years. He is a high risk/high reward type player. But a team like the Nets can not roll the dice there. Only chance we end up with Cousins is if we have the 4th pick – or if we deal the Dallas pick, future pick and CDR to get 2 picks But from an organizational perspective you have to worry about how he will fit with Lopez. A Favors-Lopez pairing theoretically works better than a Cousins-Lopez pairing. But a lot will depend on how Cousins fares in tourney and what he does pre-draft in terms of body development and if he shows he can play the 4 in the NBA. I love the kid – I’m just thinking practically about the concerns this team has to have from a positional fit and mental fit standpoint.
T will id exactly the kinda player we needed. in a few years, with expierence and significant palying time will be a star!!
his talent is unbelievable. as harris’s value goes up, i would consider trading him and letting williams start at the point
Dime Magazine March 1 2009
“The Nets could use just about anything right now, but a power forward is filling a need. Imagine putting Cousins next to Brook Lopez on the block. Not many frontcourts could defend against that duo. Cousins could develop with a great deal of playing time in New Jersey and bring back memories of Derrick Coleman in his prime. In the event that he does land in New Jersey, let’s hope that this DC has a better attitude than his predecessor”.
Same article...
“Once Cousins gets a better understanding of team defense, he should become a great defensive player”.
This worries me......
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/2/26/1327662/demarcus-cousins-rumor-bigtime-medication-kentucky
So why isn’t Cousins projected as a top 3 pick? One scout when asked about Cousins chances of going top 5 texted me this (over a week ago):
“No way. mental issues. he is on bigtime meds i hear. not athletic enough for me talent wise also.but he has been great last month…”
Sound familiar...
Boston passed the word around the league that Kevin Mchale was a big time pot head. People passed on him and of course the rest is history.
We also have Proky as protection. Just like Cuban he will be able to buy off our mistakes.
I don’t see what Wall is going to give us over Harris or C. Lee. We also have T-Will and CDR.
People compare Wall to Derrick Rose. I don’t think Rose could improve the Nets that much.
I think drafting another guard is over kill at this point.
Who knows, Calipari might be coach come next season.
Hasheem Thabeet
Memphis had the same thinking as you last year, that they had already invested in young guards and that a dominant big guy would turn them into a contender. They passed on Rubio, Evans, Flynn, Curry, Jennings, Lawson and Collision to take the project Hasheem Thabeet, clearly overlooking the fact that the other players were simply better basketball players and more of a sure thing to be good. I surely like Cousins way more than Thabeet but big guys, especially ones with attitude problems, have a much higher bust rate than “small guys”, so we would be wiser to address our PF problem through free agency than the draft. Your view that a team should always reach on a big guy rather than take an almost sure thing stud guard makes me glad that you are not our GM.
The Legend
This is exactly why we can’t afford to take this risk with our pick. If we trade for a second top 5 pick then the risk could pay off.
My feeling with young teams is that you don’t want to bring in questionable character guys as you are lacking the vets to police the younger guys. Remember Portland teams 6-8 years ago. They had a young team of questionable character guys known as the Jailblazers. It took five years to clean that up. Is Cousins worth the chance for this team? Don’t be shocked if he slips on draft night as guaranteed contracts in the lottery are a big part of a GMs legacy.
by Ryan243 on Mar 10, 2010 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we need more athleticism than Cousins at PF. I would even sacrifice some size to get athleticism. Damion James has the potential to fall down to our Dallas pick if these injuries finally bring them back down to earth. Gani Lawal should be available as well.
I love Damion James but he is a bit of a tweener. Probably more a rotation guy than starting pf. That said he will be there at 31. I love his fire and athleticism though and think he has successful impact off bench for years to come.
by Ryan243 on Mar 10, 2010 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I quit... I officially resign being president of the Demarcus Cousins Nets fan club.
Lets draft Wall and sign Wade and see if we can trade for Earl Boykins.
“Think small” should be our team motto.
Might as well bring back Lawrence Frank. He is a coach that can see eye to eye with this future Nets team.
It’s a small world after all….
Adios.Lets kick Kidds butt tonight.
Lets go Nets.
Yeah; lets trade Lopez for Wall or Turner.
Wall
Harris
T-Will
Turner
Blair (Traded for Yi, Humphries + C.Lee)
The Ultimate.
Heres how we all should want it to go down -
Get a top 2 pick, select Wall or Turner. I still have a strong preference for Wall.
Sign a spectacular big name coach, restore credibility. Prokhy is going to then recruit Lebron hard. Lebron then recruits Bosh hard. To get Bosh, we trade Harris and Yi in a sign and trade. Then we sign Lebron outright.
Wall
Lee
Lebron
Bosh
Lopez
with TWill backing up all three perimeter positions.
Then we are all happy.
Completely agree that Casspi would have been a far better choice. But Kiki is in love with Yi. He actually thought Yi would be a starter! He probably thought he could be a better coach than Frank! Wow. Love is blind, Kiki. Nets needed an big, you draft a wing. Then you trade away a big. Duh. But Yi was the next Dirk.
It is more realistic...
to say that the Nets drafted T-Will as insurance since they just traded away Vince Carter instead of Yi having anything to do with it…Casspi is more SF anyway than PF…
by jirohkanzaki on Mar 11, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
The NETS need someone who can takeover a game. We don’t have that player who can consistently score at the end of games. Wall certainly has the skillset to be that player. If we have a chance to grab Wall, we would be nuts not to. With draft picks and cap space to sign a big name player, we have to take the best player available.
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