Kidd: Thorn, Prokhorov "Will Turn It Around"
In his most positive comments about the Nets since he left New Jersey, Jason Kidd expressed optimism about the team's future and nostalgia for its past. "It's something that they'll do right," Kidd told Al Iannazzone. "They'll get it turned back around at some point. It's just a matter of time. Rod (Thorn) and the new owner will definitely get it back on track." Kidd of course wanted out because he felt the team had no plan and was in a cost-cutting mode, going from the league's sixth highest payroll in 2005-06 to its 22nd two years later. Now, he sees a plan and hope. "They have a plan in place," he added. "They're preparing for the free agent class for this summer ...You just hope they get someone."
As for the Nets great run at the beginning of the decade, the 10-time All-Star reflected on the success and left no doubt as to who was to blame for the team's demise. "I miss the whole situation we built," Kidd said. "It was a great time. We were very lucky to get to two Finals. Things were going the right way. But sometimes when you have a sale, a lot of things change and that definitely happened."
- Kidd: Nets will turn it around - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Kidd sees big changes coming for Nets - Julian Garcia - The InterNets
- Nets just want you to know they're already forgetting this year - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
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Do you think that Mark Cuban expected JKIDD to be playing THIS WELL? Maybe he is not as stupid as some people think. I wish we could inject Devin with some JKIDD DNA!
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by DelrayBeachPaulie on Mar 10, 2010 8:18 AM EST reply actions
Even if we don't land one of the top 2 picks...
I think we’ll be in a great position. I dream about having Turner on this team, every night I put my hands together and pray that we end up with him. DeMarcus Cousins would be an awesome consolation prize.
Also send a prayer
out to his back. Remember that is a huge question mark.
I wish kidd nothing but the best
he got me into nets basketball and into basketball in general when i was like 12 yrs old.
I dont know if mavs have enough to win a title…But nets are heading in the right direction. We just need some luck. Also need to make the right choices and moves.
Kidd Comments
Kid stuff.
The new ownership group will do the right thing and keep Rod Thorn.
Changing the team around has been happening for only two years.
Rod did a great job getting rid of 14 out 15 players in short year.
getting out of the Meadowlands is th estart of the new beginning along with staying within the draft for are adding of talent.
Don’t forget all the injuries in th ebeginning of the first 40 games.
This team is better then people think.
The main project now is retain Rod Thorn and add a key assistant for him.
then focus on putting together asolid coaching staff of young smart people.
Not the cronies that know each other throughout the league.
M. Prokhorov and the rest of the ownership group are smart people whom will build the right product to dominate teh NBA.
Spending foolish money on F/A’s is not the answer.
Will the Nets retire Kidd's number?
He was the New Jersey Nets. With the way he and the Nets parted, it might be questionable, but he definitely deserves his number retired when the time comes
100% Yes
They definitely should no matter how he played his last year here. He was the greatest Net played here.
110% Yes
Despite how I feel about the guy, I totally agree. It’s not just a matter of time though. If (heaven forbid) the Mavs win a title with him, then a Jason Kidd #2 jersey will be hanging from the rafters in Dallas.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
I can see Kidd returning, then retiring a Net
His current contract ends following the 2011/12 season. The Nets could be projected to be one of the top teams in the league for the 2012/13 season , and should be playing in the new arena. I can see Kidd signing for the Vets minimum to be a role player off the bench and provide veteran leadership in the locker room, especially if he knows the team has a shot at winning a title. I just don’t know if he would accept being a backup PG. He seems to be a player who’ll look to be a starter for as long as he’s playing.
Anyway, many thanks to Kidd and for what he did for this organization before the Rat messed everything up.
I would love to see Kidd,
K-Mart, RJ and VC come back at some point to the Nets and possibly win a title with Lopez, Lebron, Lee and John Wall… ;) Also, I’d like Newark’s son Shaq to come here and win one as well…
by jirohkanzaki on Mar 10, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
There’s a reason why KD is wearing #55 and not #5.
Guy’s a primadonna, and left as the classless jerk he’s always been, but he is the best player in franchise history and no one to ever wear a Net jersey did as much as him for this organization.
Speaking of truning around the Nets....
ESPN Jay Bilas quote (Larry Vaught – Larry.amnews.com)
"The only thing that can stop DeMarcus Cousins is DeMarcus Cousins. I think it’s pretty well documented that he needs to grow up, but that’s not an indictment. A lot of kids need to grow up. He’s got some maturity issues that once he straightens out, and I’m hopeful that he will, he’ll be an unstoppable force. He’s an NBA All-Star. He’s Derrick Coleman, Roy Tarpley, all those guys wrapped into one. He’s got amazing ability."
Operative word being “once”. That once could mean 5 years on 5 teams. No doubt that he has great offensive footwork and post moves. No doubt that he has the size. But that’s just it, the head.
Best case is he’ll be Zach Randolph. A guy who puts up 20-10 numbers, not a good defender, not athletic, with multiple on the court and off the court behavior issues and who’s only getting it now, 8 years and 4 teams into his career, leading to his first all star selection. He should have been an allstar 5 years ago if he was able to “get it” earlier
Wasn’t Portland that benefited his epiphany, it’s Grizzlies. Same with Cousins, the team that drafts him probably won’t be the one reaping the rewards. Same way with Tyrus Thomas who’s improving with the Bobcats.
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Interesting article on Cousins. Anybody who’s linked to Coleman and Tarpley is a #1 draft pick in my book, and not just for the talent, but the personalty. He will make CDR and T-Will seem petty and boring compared to his antics.
Lets get real tough and real entertaining, and all it takes is our #1 draft pick.
Join the Cousins fan club now.
P.S. Watch someone ahead of us take him….
I remember a PF with all star potential and maturity issues drafted by the Nets… Unless the coaching staff and front office get a major overhaul and we’re certain we’ll have some semblance of leadership in the locker room… We shouldn’t be thinking of players with maturity issues. Our next pick should preferably not have a Twitter account, and have an assistant handle his cell phone store transactions.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Mar 10, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You only live once... But Nets fans die 1000 times...
This article, which is not a puff piece, written an hour ago, talks about his great athletic ability.
Most posters here long for the K-Mart days. This guy is bigger and badder then Martin.
He sounds like he is a bright guy . Lets kick some butt instead of having ours kicked all the time.
Wall is a skinny kid who may become a great guard in the NBA. Cousins is a monster who might become the most dominant big man since Shaq.
I know who I would take.
And he is just what we need.
Are you listening Rod? Go for broke, roll the dice, damn the torpedoes…full speed ahead.
Plus he's got the same initials as Derrick Coleman...
Derrick is probably the best big man the Nets ever had, even with his attitude problems.
Why do we need a bunch of boy scouts anyway? Are ee going camping and roasting marshmellows, because are current big man get roasted like marshmellows every night.
Lets welcome our new “cousin” to the Nets family.
Sorry for the misspelling...
Why do we need a bunch of boy scouts anyway? Are we going camping and roasting marshmellows, because our current big man get roasted like marshmellows every night.
misspellings....roasting marshmallows...
…sounds like munchies…lemme get some of what you’re smoking!!
I kid.
This team needs to toughen up. And those type of players are hard to come by. This team needs a winner who is also tough. Aren’t too many of those. I’m not sold on all the Rudy Gay and David Lee talk. I don’t view these guys as “tough”, but what do I know. I haven’t followed Rudy’s career.
We’ll see what happens.
by Versifiervt on Mar 10, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
And Derrick Coleman never lived up to his potential because of the big bad attitude you like so much. Why don’t we sign Ricky Davis and Stephon Marbury while we’re bombing team chemistry alltogether?
Don’t get me wrong, in theory a Lopez-Cousins backcourt could be dominant, but a lot has to go right in order for that to happen. How would Lopez and Cousins defend quick big men? Fast PF’s and C’s would run circles around them. Can Lopez score with Cousins around? Cousins is a black hole. He’s not a passer by any means, Plus, trying to score in a crowded low post is extremely difficult, even moreso since lack shooters.
And you give me one source on his athletic ability. There are dozens out there who say different.
And attitude problems does not equate to toughness. Bruce Bowen was tough, he was bad, he was willing to do whatever it takes to win. Any attitude problems from him? Nope. Coach Pop benched him in his last year in San Antonio and he welcomed it. Again, attitude problems is not equal to toughness
Agree. Don’t want undisciplined players because they don’t usually end up being good enough to offset the problems they cause. And I don’t want to have to root for them.
by NetsJetsFan on Mar 10, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
"And you give me one source on his athletic ability".
Here’s one source from the same article mentioned above…
Gary Parrish of CBSSports.com has followed Cousins’ career for several years. He readily admits he is a dominant player, but also wonders at times about Cousins’ emotional control.
"He is a guy who is so good that he should be drafted second behind (teammate) John Wall, but he won’t be because NBA people don’t trust him completely," Parrish said. "From a talent perspective, he is off the charts.
Where does that say anything about his athletic ability?
arbitrarily using the word talent without actually specifically mentioning anything isn’t really a source on athletic ability.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Here's another source...
Espn Jay Bilas speaking about Cousins “he’ll be an unstoppable force”, “He’s an NBA All-Star”, “He’s got amazing ability”.
I think that says enough about his athletic ability.
You probably wouldn’t of drafted Brook Lopez either and this guy has more “athletic ability” then Lopez.
Again, definition of athletic ability please.
Tim Duncan isn’t a high-flyer but he’s a dominating force.
Good player does not equal good athlete. Good athlete does not equal good player.
Find us an article that says something about how fast he can get up the floor or how high is vertical is. We’ll talk about his athletic ability then
If you read my post below
I would draft Cousins if we didn’t have a center, or post presence who could score, i.e if we didn’t already have Lopez. But we do, so we shouldn’t be drafting basically the same player since they basically bring the same things to the table.
Also, no dude, that stills says nothing about his athleticism. You can be an unstoppable force in NCAA just by overpowering players, that’s what Sean May did, you don’t have to be an awesome athlete. Or like Muwu brings up with Duncan you can do it with well developed post moves.
Plus Jay Bilas is an NCAA analysts, the NBA is completely different, I’m also pretty certain he thought Adam Morrison and JJ Reddick would be NBA all-stars, or at least Morrison. The talent level is COMPLETELY different because of the lack of talent dilution, it’s like how NCAA football analysts think every qb with a successful college career is going to be a HOFamer in the NFL. The skill sets necessary to dominate in the college level and at the professional level are very different.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
And that view is absolutely correct, he is off the charts talent-wise, he is really good.
But it’s one thing to have talent and another thing to fully realize it. And until he shows us that he is mature enough to handle the NBA, his career can go anywhere from multiple time all star to nba journeyman.
There have been dozens and dozens of players who have all the talent in the world but are never really able to put it all together. Amare could be a top 5 player in the NBA if he was just able to focus every night. Rasheed Wallace could have had a much better career if he stayed in the post more. Sean Williams could have been a better Chris Andersen if he was in any way mature.
And yeah, like Gina said, that statement makes no reference to athletic ability.
By athletic ability do you mean ability to be an athlete? Because athletic ability is… athleticism. aka being able to run fast or jump high or whatnot
I think Cousins can probably be a successful player in multiple systems
I just don’t see how at all he fits in with ours. We already have a go to scoring option in the post in Lopez. More than anything his and Cousins style’s would clash, in fact a lot of scouts think Cousins will have to play center in the NBA, because he isn’t quick or athletic enough to match up with NBA 4’s, specifically on the defensive end. Really, outside of his work ethic/character issues, and the fact his post moves are less developed, he sounds a lot like what we already have in Lopez. I don’t really see how he is a better fit for our current team than someone like Favors or Whiteside who bring the things Lopez doesn’t, strong defense and rebounding, to the table.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Basically what I mean is even if his character and work ethic aren't issues
he doesn’t really fit in with a team that already has an offensive force in the paint but lacks strong defense and rebounding. If we didn’t have Lopez than taking him would make sense, but on a team that already has Lopez we should find a player with complementary skills. Cousins almost replicates Lopez’s skill set.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Gimme a break...
Espn Jay Bilas speaking about Cousins "he’ll be an unstoppable force", "He’s an NBA All-Star", "He’s got amazing ability".
I think that says enough about his athletic ability.
You probably wouldn’t of drafted Brook Lopez either and this guy has more "athletic ability" then Lopez.
Turner is a “tweener” and Wall is a over hyped, skinny Devin Harris clone. We need big men and all you want is some more undersized guards/wings.
A 6’7" guy is tweener?
Definition of tweener please. Example, 6’3 shooting guard in college. Too short of playing shooting guard in the NBA, no point guard skills to play PG.
Evan Turner has the prerequisite size and skills to play 3 positions without being at a disadvantage. So no, he is not a tweener.
John Wall is 6’4" 195 lbs. An inch taller and 5 pounds heavier than Devin Harris, a typically sized NBA point guard. Only an inch shorter than Ray Allen.
How are any of these guys undersized?
No I want a big man like Favors or Whiteside, though I'm decidely less high on Whiteside,
who complement Lopez well and bring skill sets this team is currently lacking, post defense, shot blocking and rebounding. And Turner isn’t a tweener he has the ball handling skills to play sg in the NBA and his length will give him a size advantage on both sides of the ball. There’s really no question he’s going to play sg in the NBA, and he’s no where near undersized for it. And then I want them to package one of our excess undersized guards/swingmen either for an established 4, who will bring defense, rebounding and shot blocking to our team, or to move up to draft Favors or another power forward of the same mold.
And no I wouldn’t have drafted Lopez with the idea to play him at the 4. I would draft him to play center and I’d draft Cousins, if I was convinced his work ethic and character weren’t going to be a problem, to play center if we didn’t already have an offensive center in Lopez.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I really like watching cousins play but I wouldn’t roll the dice on him. I’m less concerned with his athletic ability or ability to mesh with brook as a good coach will figure that out. But on a young team you have to value character more than on a veteran team.
And when you have a potential franchise center in brook if you go pf you want a guy to bring rebounding, shotblocking and passing abilities from the post. Favors would be a good fit. Haven’t seen much of whiteside but I think he’s going to take a few years to develop and is truly a center not a pf. Monroe is interesting as is very good passing big man but not sure defensive minded enough.
by Ryan243 on Mar 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah whiteside is a weird case
he’s probably the best athlete and shot blocker/rebounding at this point, but everything else seems years off. I don’t think I would role the dice on him either at this point because he seems like too much of a project I was more just using him as an example of the type of big men I think they should be targeting.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Cousins is bigger then both Wall and Turner combined... LOL
Many analysts see Turner as a guard not SF.
Wall will probably fill out but is still plays a “small” position.
Big men win NBA titles. Little men help out.
The Nets have enough guards already.
We have one big man, and he doesn’t rebound or intimidate very well, yet.
I would love to see these small NBA guards and wings try to fly over or thru Cousins.
Granted, he is a risk, but so is life.
So if you were in Chicago’s place last year, you would’ve gone with Mike Beasley huh? That would have worked out wonderfully for you.
If you were in Portland’s shoes even earlier you still would have taken Oden over Durant. That would have been brilliant as well huh?
And was it Wade or Shaq that propelled the Heat to a championship in 2006?
And was Duncan the Finals MVP in 2007? It was a teeny point guard called Tony Parker. Cleveland’s lack of a solid point guard was there large undoing. That’s what pushed them to go get Mo Williams.
It’s about good players, not good positions. You can cite NBA champions all you want, but every championship not only had allstar big men, but also allstar small guys. Wasn’t Chauncey Billups Finals MVP? Wasn’t Paul Pierce?
It’s as simple as this… Anybody who want’s Cousins on this team better prey the Nets get the 3rd pick. Anybody who want’s Turner better prey the Nets get the 2nd pick. Anybody who wants Wall better prey the Nets get the #1 pick. This shouldn’t be a dispute. How we get a thread from J. Kidd to college players?
Jason Kidd is boring... Plus he doesn't play for us...
Michael Deplante ESPN.com 2009
“Cousins is relentless on the boards; if a ball is within eight feet of him, it is his. He also has the ability to burst out and go coast to coast with the ball. He is easily as comfortable overpowering his man in the low post, where he is an excellent passer, as he is taking his man off the dribble. He controls the paint with his size — he is immovable at this level — and shot-blocking ability. He is surprisingly quick and agile for a guy his size”.
What's the frequency Mikee21?
What question is that? Cousins is one of the top players in college basketball and you are trying to tell me that he is not “athletic” enough to play for the Nets.
How can you answer a question that makes no sense?
For Starters....
I never said Cousins wasn’t athletic I just joined this thread. Second, I believe that all teams should go for the best player available when it comes to lottery picks and in my “OPINION” Wall and Turner comes before Cousins if we settle for the 3rd pick I have no problem with cousins joining us.
I agree
but Ratner quit on the team first. Obviously Kidd could have had a better attitude but I can’t blame a player of his caliber for not wanting to be part of a team, especially at his advanced age, who was clearly no longer committing to winning. Or even pretending to be committed to his team.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Or even pretending to be committed to winning I mean.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
From Draftexpress:
John Wall’s freshman season feels like one big highlight reel thus far, starting with his very first game against Miami Ohio in which he knocked down a terrific pull-up jumper to win the game for Kentucky.
That continued with more late-game heroics against Stanford in a tournament in Cancun, keeping his team in the game to force overtime and win a game they probably shouldn’t have.
The legend only grew after that as seemingly the entire basketball nation tuned in to CBS on a Sunday afternoon to watch him carve up North Carolina’s defense with some incredibly athletic plays in transition, only to see his value magnified as his team fall apart the moment he was forced to leave the game with a minor injury.
As the stage got bigger—this time in Madison Square Garden—Wall’s notoriety continued to grow, as more clutch second half play and a season high 25 points gave his team yet another big win against a very tough UConn squad.
Needless to say, Wall has done everything that’s been asked of him and then some, both on and off the court, and is at this point the run-away favorite to be drafted first overall in June, regardless of who is making the pick. The question now becomes, just how good can he become in the future? And what does he need to do to get there?
Plenty of words have already been spent on the athletic gifts of John Wall, both here and otherwise. He’s in a class of his own in college basketball as far as his quickness and explosiveness is concerned, as he’s shown on countless occasions with some incredible highlight reel plays.
After all, how many NCAA teams have a set play in their offense for a backdoor cut and alleyoop lob intended for their point guard? We called Derrick Rose the "most athletic point guard we’ve ever evaluated at the college level," and feel strongly about the fact that Wall is every bit his equal in that category, if not better.
A place where Wall might still be underrated though is in his passing ability. Not only does he rank 6th amongst all draft prospects in assists per-40 minutes pace adjusted, but more notably he ranks 8th in assists per field goal attempt ratio.
This is an interesting stat to evaluate Wall by because it compares the amount of assists he racks up with the number of shots he takes, which could be a good way to rate how unselfish he’s been. Right now he stacks up favorably in that category with the collegiate numbers posted by the likes of Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo and Ty Lawson, and absolutely blows away what Derrick Rose did as a freshman.
More important than the numbers is the fact that Wall is clearly showing excellent instincts as a passer, both with the creativity in which he gets the ball to teammates in different spots on the floor—he’s more than just a vanilla drive and dish point guard—and also with the willingness he displays to get others involved.
This is exactly what you want to see from a modern day NBA point guard—the ability to take over as a scorer and shot-creator when needed, to go along with the selflessness to want to make everyone around him better.
Another area in which Wall has been better than advertised is with his play on the defensive end. Not only does he have the physical attributes required to be a lockdown defender—with his terrific size, wingspan and lateral quickness—but (unlike Derrick Rose) he also shows the type of aggressiveness and intensity to take advantage of his tools.
The huge number of blocks and steals he generates immediately jumps off the page at you, but seeing the way he absolutely smothers his opponents on the perimeter with his length and his ability to cover ground and contest countless shots around the basket each game is far more impressive.
The scariest thing about John Wall right now is that as good as he is—he’s clearly the frontrunner for NCAA player of the year honors—he’s still only scratching the surface on how good he might become down the road.
So we get another Derrick Rose... Whoopee....
Who is going to play PF/Center. Yi, Hump, Boone, D.Lee?… Whoa…
Another allstar caliber player is a whoopee?
A guy in his 2nd year in the league, averaging around 20-4-6, and is an allstar is a whoopee?
You can sign a PF. You can draft a PF. You can trade for a PF. You can’t get an allstar that easily.
Is that so hard to think of?
I know it's not your fault mumu...
But some how we haven’t traded for, drafted or signed a good/great PF in years.
How come? Answer = good big men are hard to come by.
Plus what do you do with our all-star PG, Harris, play him at SG? Then what do you do with Courtney Lee?
How many guards do you need???
Cousins might end up being a dominant big man. Not just good.
If we had Wade instead of Harris would we be a serious contender? I don’t think so.
Wall might one day be a Wade. If Wade can’t help us a young Wall certainly won’t.
Well in all those Kidd years we had no assets outside the big three. We literally had no cap space, or players which other teams could want.
Bottom line for me, it’s about getting the best player available. Get him first, figure out how it all works later. And why couldn’t Devin play SG? He’s a good scorer. Doesn’t Chicago play Rose and Hinrich together?
If we get the 3rd pick or 4th pick, then by all means consider Cousins. But if there’s a better player out there, get the better player.
And Wade is carrying that Miami team to the playoffs practically on his own. Imagine what he could do with a 20-10 guy like Lopez by his side. We wouldn’t be a serious contender, but we’d be close.
Cousins might end up being dominant sure, but Wall and Turner could be as well. An overflow of good players is not a problem, someone will give up a lot for good assets
In fact
Having two point guards on the floor is a very effective play. It promotes a lot more ball movement with the speed of Wall and Harris, we’d be a killer fastbreak team. You could play TWill alongside them and have 3 ball handlers/playmakers on the floor.
Beyond The Arc - Mike Miller NBC College Anaylst
“DeMarcus Cousins scores like Shaq. He rebounds like Shaq. He even gets hacked like Shaq”.
You wouldn’t draft this kid?
keyword there is college anaylst
from draft sites, as in people’s who’s jobs are to disect how a players NCAA game will translate to the NBA.
From draft express on his defense
On the other hand, Cousins is not the most fundamentally sound player you’ll find, which combined with his below average lateral quickness causes him to get exposed from time to time when being attacked off the dribble by quicker players he’s forced to switch onto. He looks a bit lazy and/or not focused getting back on defense sometimes, something that caused him and Kentucky coach John Calipari to butt heads over on occasion early on in the season.
Whichever franchise drafts him will likely need to live with his limitations on this end of the floor and commit to being more of a half-court oriented team, as it’s unlikely that Cousins will get much lighter on his feet over the next few years.
And under their weaknesses for him
- Better suited for half-court offense
- Lateral quickness
- Average athleticism
- Lacks explosiveness
They think he can be an offensive force, but we already have an offensive force in the paint. What we need is someone who brings the things Lopez doesn’t have, and that’s not Cousins. Pretty much every site you go to 1. brings up his lack of athleticism, and 2. expects him to be a center at the nba level.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
the whichever franchise drafts him part should be in the blockquote, that’s from draft express.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Cousins is a beast
That kid is a flat out animal. If we have the 3rd pick (or 4th and he’s still there) you have to take him, IMO. He will be a 20 and 10 machine for years to come.
I wouldn’t worry about who’s the better fit. Just because you have Lopez you don’t pass on Cousins with a 3rd-4th pick . Just take the best prospect. Cousins will be best prospect at 3-4 if we end up with that pick.
A Cousins-Lopez pair could be dominant. Cousins would provide toughness, rebounding, ability to protect the paint, and he’s not a bad passer, he can find the open man. Plus, he has decent ballhandling ability and nice mid range jumper for a guy that big.
1. Turner
2. Wall
3. Cousins
4. I’ll cry
What makes Cousins head and shoulders above Favors?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
From Draftexpress
“Somewhat of a black hole once he receives the ball inside the paint, Cousins is not what you would call a willing passer, even if he is capable of finding the open man.”
Not a passer.
But if we do get 3rd or 4th pick then we have to consider it. 1st or 2nd, forget it
Sounds like someone we know...
Lopez at times is not a willing passer. Look at Harris and CDR and Hump and Yi etc.
I don’t want to sign Cousins for his passing abilities
I bet I can find negative things said about John Wall too.
the fact he sounds like someone we know
is exactly why it doesn’t make sense to bring him in. 1. You don’t want a pf and a center with the same skill set 2. Most things are pointing to him having to play center in the NBA.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Favors has high bust potential. He’s pretty raw. There may be concerns regarding Cousins’ attitude, but I actually like his thuggish attitude. It’s Martin-esque. We’ve beeing missing that badly since KMart left.
Favors is only raw offensively
which is actually a lot like K-mart was when we drafted him. K-mart was drafted because of his great athleticism and length, rebounding and shot blocking skills, where as his offense needed development, which almost the exact things you see written about Favors.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Also if you're bringing up championship team
you should probably notice that most of the teams that have won this decade have had a dominant scoring big man, like Lopez, and paired him with a defense first athletic shot blocking rebounding big man. The Pistons paired Rasheed Wallace with Ben Wallace. The Heat paired Shaq with Haslem, the Celtics paired KG with Perkins, the Spurs paired Duncan with numerous big men like that.. How often do you see good teams with two offense only players together in the front court?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Favors is ahead of Cousins in my book he’s been compared to having Amare type athleticism as to Cousins all you hear is a lack of.
Now as to Cousins and Favors? Favors win..
We all know that Favors play for Georgia Tech. Has anybody seen there roster? who do they have. Favors has nobody around him who can play basketball as for Cousins he has a bunch of talent around him. When I say Talent I mean A stud guard in Wall who can take defenses away from Cousins and provide him with easy baskets. Favors on the other hand has no guard around him who can control the ball therefore they stack the paint creating difficult shots for Favors. If this was vice versa meaning Cousins on Georgia Tech and Favors on the Wildcats I bet nobody would be this high on Cousins.
“Favors’ profile as an NBA prospect is pretty cut and dry, and have been analyzed in a fair amount of depth in the many times we evaluated him over the course of his high school career. He’s incredibly gifted from a physical standpoint, showing a combination of length and athleticism that is simply unparalleled at the college level. He runs the floor like a deer, is outrageously explosive around the rim, and is a fantastic target for entry-passes thanks to his terrific hands and the amazing extension he gets around the basket.”
“Defensively, Favors has all the tools needed to become an elite player down the road, even if his lack of experience definitely shows at times, mainly in the form of cheap fouls. His terrific length and timing already make him an imposing shot-blocking threat at the college level, and his excellent lateral quickness allows him to step out onto the perimeter, hedge screens and stay in front of smaller players attacking the basket with the greatest of ease. As he gets stronger, he shouldn’t have too much of an issue seeing minutes at the center position from “time to time” in smaller up-tempo lineups in today’s NBA."
Isn’t Power Forward what were looking for who can play alongside Brook Lopez??? That is if we don’t get the #1 and 2 pick? Which would be Wall or Turner.
That’s good stuff. Favors would really fill a need but I’d be so pissed if we had to pick him. We’ve all watched horrible basketball this year and really deserve some reparations for it.
I haven’t really looked up on it but we could probably find somebody later in the draft to give us minutes and be that defensive presence. The Nets can also get creative, so we’ll see what happens.
Wall, Turner, Favors, and Cousins
Four potential all stars and we are guaranteed a top 4 pick. Thats gotta put a smile on your face. Only way we lose is if one or more of these guys return to school….which is a possibility no one is mentioning.
Final thoughts....
Talking about who should be SEC MVP…
Arkansas coach John Pelphrey leans toward the 6-11, 260-pound Cousins.
“Somebody compared him earlier in the year to (former LSU star Shaquille O’Neal) and I played against Shaquille,” said Pelphrey, a former Kentucky standout. “I don’t know if that’s fair to anybody, but Cousins is the next-closest thing. Physically, one man can’t guard him.”

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