Nets To Break Ground on Barclays Center Next Week

And away we go!!!!

Where are all the Brooklyn supporters?? Doesn’t seem like there is much support…

Good news. No sleep till Brooklyn

Lets Go!!! Brooklyn Here We Come!!! Goodbye Goldstein and Freddy’s Slumhole. Brooklyn Nets!!!!!!! This is one of the Greatest Day’s in Brooklyn. JOBS JOBS and more JOBS!!!!!

This ruling outweighs all of the losses of this year.

It is great news. Nothing can stop the Brooklyn Nets now.

Where is Odor? He must be disappointed.

Now its time to schedule Proky’s approval by NBA since nothing can stop the construction.

Although Proky may have the option to wait until land is cleared before completing the sale, I believe he can still be approved first. Once approved (correct me if wrong), he should be an executive of the Nets and able to conduct business such as interviewing Coaches???

He would be the Majority Owner after signing the paperwork, but the present owner, Ratner, would be foolish not to follow Prokhorov’s wishes until that time.

I wonder if NBA will try to combine Jordan and Prokhorov’s approval at same time. NBA said Jordan could be approved by end of month. I wonder if Ratner and Johnson would be among the 30 owners voting (23 are needed) for their approval.

I wonder if Goldstein will come here to issue a statement that the fight is over.

We will learn about Goldstein’s character by how he reacts.
My guess is that he won’t give up.

Jerry,

This and getting one the 1st two ping pong balls will make up for this season.

Glad to see we can finally move forward. There are no more legal or financial hurdles. Ratner did an incredible job keeping the project together against all odds.

NI – Any timeframe on ground clearing so that Proky can take over?

are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?

@Tin Man – One of the top two picks is so critical to our future.

Although Cousins numbers make me interested in him as well.

@John – No more hurdles except for patience. I wonder how some of our favorite neighborhood critics are doing?

Money talks and we know what walks.

@David

There has been a lot of back and forth on Cousins so there is no need to go through it again. He may very well turn out to be a star but anything other than the first two picks will make me very nervous.

Question: does Allen own 100% of the Blazers? I doubt he does because he also owns the Seahawks… Im only asking because he seemed like he’s throwing a lot of money on that team and i dont know if you can do that if you only own 80% of your team. What if the other 20% doesnt want to spend the money?

Sorry cuz i have no idea on how it goes. I thinking you have to own the whole team to spend a lot of money like going over the max, or maybe you have the approval of the other 20% to be able to spend it all. Also, does Dolan own all of the Knicks too?

With decision, if there is a desire by Ratner/Proky, there is still time to complete Barclays for the playoffs of 2012.

I wonder what the final agreement for Newark specifies about where the Nets would play if they made the playoffs for 2011-2012? Need to press on this issue.

Also, need to finally decide NOT to play hockey at Barclays. Those are 2 issues that need to be finalized now that the other BS is over with.

Go New York Nets!

@Tin Man – I understand your nervousness and Wall or Turner would be great. It would be interesting because Harris/Lee have actually been playing very well lately.

Let’s just hope the ping pong balls go our way.

I personally like the sound of New York Nets better than Brooklyn Nets. Will be interesting to see what they decide to go with.

The New York Nets And New York Knicks don’t you think that’s biting the other franchise a little to hard. No thank you Brooklyn Nets is the better way to go.

I’m glad this is over my borough will finally have a team again. As for Daniel Goldstein farewell I wouldn’t be surprise if you have something else up your sleeve to stop this project.

Brooklyn Nets !!!!!

i really don’t have a preference between the 1st (wall) or 2nd pick (turner). john wall is no kidd or nash. turner is more complete player.

@Mikee

I’ll leave it up to Yormack but New York Nets would have a broader appeal. They don’t want alienate people in Queens and Long Island. Also, the Knicks have no say in the name. They already took their pound of flesh 32 years ago.

I would expect a lot of marketing of Brooklyn as well. Alternate apparel with Brooklyn branding maybe even an alternate uniform.

Here’s a brooklyn supporter.

I’m also a draft turner supporter.

Cousins has the numbers, but there’s too many other question marks for him to even be a surefire top 3-4 pick in my eyes.

Everybody seems to agree that Wall/Turner – Turner/Wall are the top 2 picks.

Who are 3 and 4? Just in case… LOL

This entire project should have to go through a FULL REVIEW all over again – what is being planned now has nothing to do with the mega-plan that may have actually had a shred of benefit to society. This is strictly a real estate killing and it sahould go through the process of review again. This pathetic that these courts are making these decisions – mostly likely after taking pay-offs from Ratner and co.

@Gina
Cousins isn’t a surefire pick. Just someone to put on the watch list during March Madness. It would change the postseason strategy. 46.5% chance Nets won’t have to face that decision.

As I wrote before, there is possibility that Cousins wouldn’t be picked till about 6 pick or higher. Chance to trade Dallas pick, 2012 Warriors pick + player(s) to get Cousins, in addition to Turner.

That is the one scenario, I could see LeBron wanting to leave Cleveland, since he has to decide by end of June.

LeBron, Lopez, Cousins as front line. Turner/Lee, Harris as backcourt.

Oops, wrong topic, but this should be a popular topic today.

Its Over Isaac and others. This time for real. Your opinion has been noted.

Time to move on.

Daniel Goldstein should look for a new place for his family, ASAP.

@Isaac

We as fans have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. There is no need crying and complaining over this move to Brooklyn weather we like it or not there still leaving. There’s no it’s ands or buts about it there’s no need crying over spilled milk what’s done is done face it already.

@Tin Man

I Like that possibility it’s just the thought of having two New York teams with the actual New York on both Jerseys sound a little crazy.

@mike

Right now I’d say Favors and Cousins but both could slide dramatically before the draft for different reasons. Wesley Johnson has already slid down. Keep an eye on Aminu and Whiteside.

Oh, and NI might be able to fill us in on the international prospects that could possibly sneak into the top 5.

Obviously this is great news, but should not have been unexpected. The law is very clear and all the wacky claims that DDDB threw into their petition, basically screwed themselves when it comes to the issue that they SHOULD have been most concerned about…compensation.

On the draft issue, I LOVE Turner…I can imagine the NETS getting the number 2 pick and a lot of media types laughing at us (at the notion that we can finish with the worst record in history, but still not end up getting the number 1 pick). Personally, getting the number 2 is the best thing that can happen to us. Turner is a stud and will help this team day 1 with his scoring, ball handling and rebounding. A backcourt of Harris and Turner would be one of the best in the league from opening night.

Jerry25-

I appreciate the blow-off but I will continue to be a voice for longtime Nets fans that support the team being in NEW JERSEY. I know some of you would prefer to hear your own echos on here but in this world there are varying opinions and not everyone is doing cartwheels over this theft of something we care about – whether it be our team or our property.

Keep the Nets in Jersey.

@ Jerry, Cousins has no real post moves, isn’t very athletic or mobile and poor on defense, plus he has questions about his attidude. He dominates college front courts because of his size but he’s not going to have the same advantage in the NBA and comparable players, like Sean May and Zach Randolph haven’t translated as well to the NBA. May hasn’t been able to stay in shape and Randolph is a complete sieve on defense and needs to be paired with a completely defensive minded center, which is obviously the opposite of what we have in Brooke, another player he’s been compared to a lot is Eddy Curry. He’s the type of player who will dominate on size alone in NCAA and struggle to translate to the NBA offensively, and if you’re going to take him it you’re going to have to commit to pairing him with a completely defensive minded front court player.

I am not a Brooklyn support at all.
I applaud Goldstein’s efforts, if he does get kicked out, there are some new cool lofts about to open in Newark near The Rock. Richardson Lofts.

Also @ Issac so you can’t be a long-time nets fan unless you’re a new jersey fan? My family has been fans for four decades, were they just fake fans for 40 years?

also @ Jerry, sorry I misread your post but I still don’t think Cousins is worth trading up for and trading away valuable pieces.

I’m not impressed with Cousins. The Nets draft pick this year must have the last name “Turner” on the back of his jersey or I will be upset at our bad luck. I think Harris and Turner can work as a backcourt, but our SF would definitely need to be efficient in 3 point shooting since neither of those two are money from down town(although I expect Turner to improve). Harrs could play off of the ball more. Or, we can just trade him for more talent. I’m open to either option, assuming we get Turner.

I hope this ruling means that the Russian’s approval will be expedited so that the Nets can get down to business.

@Mikee21 – That’s what happened in 1976-77. Two NY NBA teams in the NY Knicks and NY Nets that have the words “NEW YORK” on their jerseys.

And of course, similar situations already exist for the MLB/NFL/NHL. So there’s nothing wrong with having two teams that call themselves NY, especially if both DO play in NY (unlike the Giants/Jets)

@Ginai

I will be shocked if the Nets take Cousins. The Nets two most valuable assets are Lopez and this lottery pick. For them to waste that asset on someone who plays the same position as Lopez doesn’t make sense. Also, this a very young team with no veteran leadership. I can’t see them drafting a player that high with attitude issues. Especially after CDR and the Williams triplets.

There have been whispers that Cousins issues are more serious than just an attitude problem. If that is true he may slide dramatically.

Cousins = Alonzo Mourning with a KMart attitude.
I’ve seen him play many times and more coming. He’s not a project, but the core of KY.
BLopez would have to go back to PF, like in college, for much of the time.

I’m mostly suggesting him as the Nets 2nd pick, which they buy with the Dallas pick, 2012 Warrior pick and maybe TWill or CLee (since CDR doesn’t have much value). Of course I would throw in Yi, but that may be considered a penalty.

Because of Cousins reputation, he could fall in draft, making his price tag less.
Just a possibility to think about, especially if it attracts LeBron.

at Gina:

“My family has been fans for four decades, were they just fake fans for 40 years?”

Those that have been supporting this team for 40 years including the time on Long Island in the 70s are the only ones with legitimate claim to having this team back in NY – I have stated that before. Everyone else is just trying to steal a team from the fans of New Jersey that does not belong to them at the expense of those of us that have been supporting the team with our time, money and energy.

Let’s remember though – the team DID originate in New Jersey, not on Long Island – and certainly not in New York City.

Great News!

Isaac! Isaac! Isaac!

we really need to ask Isiah Thomas who he’d draft: Wall or Turner

@jerry

Do you really think Lopez can go to the perimeter and guard Jamison, Green, Rashard Lewis, Gerald Wallace, Josh Smith, Harrington, Bosh, Odom or the rest of athletic 4’s throughout the NBA? Do you really want him to?

I couldn’t disagree more with Mourning/K-Mart comparison. The were athletic defensive stoppers. Cousins is limited athletically and cares very little about defense. The 19 year old Cousins is 3 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier then the 22 year old K-Mart was when he came out of college.

@ Issac, they originated in New Jersey because of necessity, and they were called the New York Americans. The founder wanted to play in NY but couldn’t find a venue so he settled for New Jersey and moved back to NY as soon as an opportunity arose. It’s not as cut and dry as they started in New Jersey then moved, they didn’t start in New Jersey by chose and at the beginning did everything they could to associate themselves as a NY team, hence also changing the name to Nets to match the Jets/mets. even the colors match the rangers and giants

Also @ Tin Man, yeah there’s been a lot of questions about his work ethic and conditioning too, similar Sean May who hasn’t been able to stay in shape since being drafted.

And @jerry he doesn’t have anywhere near K-mart or Mourning’s athleticism or talent on the defensive side of the ball, he doesn’t block shots at nearly the rate Mourning did. No one said he’s a “project”, that’s part of his problem, he doesn’t have the athleticism that a lot of younger big man have that gives them so much upside at the next level. Instead his game is pretty much overpowering everybody which he can do at ease in the NCAA but probably won’t be able to do in the NBA.

@ Tin Man, is he even 3 inches taller? most sites have him listed at 6-9.

@Gina

Cousins is listed at 6’11 280…he’s probably closer to 300 than 280. K-Mart was listed at 6’8 220 in college. Mourning was 6’10 230 in college.

Wow that’s a big kid 6"ll 280 and he’s only going to get bigger.

Okay, so Cousins would be even bigger and stronger than Mourning. He is a BEAST and the best defensive player for KY. He has very quick feet for his size – all the announcers are impressed. Vitale said he is a top 5 pick, as do other analysts, even considering his negatives.

People are only comparing him to KMart with regards to his attitude (supposedly a bad one if you believe the stories the media likes to write).

I am not suggesting to take him over Turner, but IN Addition, since he could fall to around #7, just as BLopez fell.

If trading up for Cousins would cause LeBron to sign with Nets (besides getting Turner), then I think Rod Thorn would stand on his head, with his pants pulled down, on top of the Brooklyn Bridge.

Rather than think of the matchup problems for BLopez, who likes to play outside at present, other teams would be thinking of the matchup problems facing a front line of LeBron, Cousins and BLopez (maybe best ever in NBA history).

@ Gina
 They were originally going to be called the NY Freighters because the owner was from NY and owned a trucking company, and your right they did moved to NJ out necessity in both cases (Because of the Knicks), but for no matter how you slice it the team in all it’s incarnations has been in NJ for nearly 40 years and has place in our hearts as much as does in your family’s

I think New York Nets sounds better as well. This was the original name of the Nets when they were in the ABA and in LI.

Besides, Brooklyn Nets just sounds too… small in scope… and irrelevant…

Sure brooklyn has a vibrant history of immigrations and lots of stories told there.. but these days Brooklyn is mostly impoverished tenements and a cesspool of crime.

Call it New York Nets and give it broad mainstream appeal

With Brook in the lineup, we don’t need another post player. We need a strong rebounder, defender plus a guy who can shot the ball with occasional post-ups.

Cousins and Lopez defensively would be Yi and Lopez all over again.

@Tony
DLee fits that bill best.
Can you name someone else, who is ready and willing to come to Nets?
Be prepared to act quick and decisively to get DLee away from Knicks, and to pay a higher price.

Then maybe save cap space if LeBron comes out in 2011 and is willing to take a discount.

Nets would have almost 30 wins right now with DLee substituted for Yi on roster this year.

With David Patterson on shaky ground and the MTA suffering from chronic fiscal maladies and a State on the brink of fiscal ruin, don’t be surprised if this project is shelved. The only way I’ll believe this is when I see them playing in BK.

@ Jerry25 Vitale thought JJ Reddick and Adam Morrison were going to be great NBA players. Vitale is an awesome color man but he’s not someone you should look to for analysis, same with most college announcers, they’re specialty is looking at a player in terms of college, not how they’ll translate to an entirely different league with drastically less talent dilution. He has no post moves, he has work ethic conditioning and attitude problems and major questions about whether his game will translate to the NBA. How many big men can you think of who have gotten by ENTIRELY on overpowering players in the NBA and been productive, I imagine some people would say Shaq but he’s decidedly bigger than Cousins at 7’2 300+, can you name any? And I’m saying he’s not a player you should trade up for if it’s going to cost you future picks AND current talent. Not to mention what in the world does Lebron have to do with Cousins. Why do you think Cousins is going to make Lebron come here for 1. There doesn’t seem to be much reason to believe Lebron’s ever going to actually leave Cleveland, for 2. For all we know Lebron thinks Cousins sucks and any team that would draft him is too stupid to play for. I mean what reason is there to drafting Cousins has anything to do with Lebron.

@RD, I’m not saying you’re not true fans, I’m saying it’s ridiculous for Issac to say true fans don’t want them to leave New Jersey.

@Gina

Exactly

Anyone with money moves out of Brooklyn, not into Brooklyn.

Per Capita Income

Brooklyn – $17,000
Newark – $13,000

Tin Man,

Their are extremely wealthy suburbs very close to Newark, ever here of Short Hills, Millburn, Essex Fells, Livingston, Summit. All within a short ride to Newark, plus all of the big white collar business already established in Downtown Newark.
Can’t same the same for Brooklyn which is a horrible place along with Queens.

Everyone from Brooklyn eventually moves to Staten Island or Jersey and I don’t blame them.

Vitale said Antoine Wright could be the next Dwyane Wade.

Nuff said.

As for this ruling, the judge slammed the critics hard in it. The critics thought the delay in the ruling could be an indicator that he had some concerns about their arguments.

Instead, he described their 17 arguments as “without merit”, “specious” or “moot”. Moreover, he cited the delaying tactics employed by the critics as one reason why the project plan had changed. Critics had argued the need for a new project plan because of the changes since the original plan was approved in 2006. In effect, he blamed the critics for the delays that necessitated the changes they now decry.

It’s all part of a growing judicial record on Atlantic Yards…ALL of it in favor of the state and Ratner.

The ESDC will now move to evict, forcibly if necessary, those property owners who remain. There will be disputes on how much the properties are worth, but they won’t delay either eviction or construction.

So called experts have been mostly wrong about “shooters”, especially “white shooters” making it in the NBA.

They usually aren’t wrong with quick footed non-white Beasts, with a desire to win, making it in the NBA, other than via injury. A Cousins-type only comes along every few years. Dwight Howard may be another comparison, but he never played in College. Howard has a better jump, but isn’t as strong and physical as Cousins.

There are people who have watched 15 or more KY games this year, who are better able to evaluate Cousins than we are.
They all will say he is getting better as the year goes on, which is another good sign. His minutes are increasing, because his fouls and mistakes are going down.

Big Men are expected to take a couple of years in NBA (as do point guards). Cousins would be pretty good in his first year.

Giving up the Dallas pick and the 1-7 protected Warriors pick in 2012 is hardly anything to get a BEAST. Whether someone would take one or 2 of our secondary youngs if Cousins is still available at the #7 spot is doubtful, but worth considering. Some posters have said that if you combined CLee+TWill+CDR+Yi you wouldn’t get much back in return.

As usual, it was friends in high places for Ratner. I am surprised that even a neutral judge like Gerges can sell his soul out to this when he had the chance to what was right and for the people rather than the elite. I do know that Goldstien has no plans of giving up any time soon, and neither do I. There are still some other cases pending on this, so the fight is not over yet. As for claiming where the Nets do belong to, it’s not where they originated from, it’s where they have been the longest. It might be true that the Nets were supposed to originally be a NY team but wound up playing their first season in NJ instead before moving to Nassau County, but they have been back in NJ since 1978 compared to the 9 seasons they had there. By that logic, neither the Lakers or Clippers should be considered LA teams because neither of them was originally from LA. The Jazz must not be a Utah team because of where they were or the Pistons not being a true Detroit team. Come to think of it, the 76ers weren’t originally from Philly nor were the Kings or Warriors from California. My point is that they have been where they are now longer than where they started from, which is why they have fans there now.

Atlantic Ave. is closed down starting next Monday for the ground breaking of our new arena haha!

In Norman Odor’s article, the attorney still claims that there are 2 cases pending that would stop the project dead in its tract.

Anyone have any idea how that is possible?

Seems like if the remaining instigators don’t settle, they may have their properties leveled and get no compensation.
That isn’t being a good father, but being quite stubborn and a sore loser.

@jerry, 1 problem with that is that cousins “desire to win” is a major question mark. There are a lot of reports about his lack of motor/and poor conditioning/work ethic. And if a guy can’t get conditioned for an NCAA season how do you expect him to get condition for the 82 game NBA season. How is Howard at all a comparison? They have absolutely nothing in common, Howard was drafted because of his insane combination of height and athleticism, Cousins isn’t close to 7 feet and isn’t in the same stratosphere athletically, in fact his lack of athleticism is one of his biggest red flags. Where in the world would you get the Howard comparison from.

And the problem with your logic about the trade is the fact that you seem to think Cousins is way more valuable than I or other people arguing against it do. His type of player just has not in recent history translated well to the NBA. I certainly can’t think of one. And I don’t see what getting better in NCAA with mental mistakes has anything to do with how his skill set would translate to the NBA.

Unless the judge in those cases issues a temporary restraining order stopping construction—and NO ONE, not even Norman Oder thinks that will happen—those cases will proceed along with construction.

You can sue all you want. At some point you have to win. This is their third loss in the last two weeks. The state’s highest court turned down, without comment, their petitions to re-open two previously decided cases. Now today, this.

The other problem is that DDDB is losing support. It finally filed its non profit income tax return for 2009. It shows a significant drop in financial support, from nearly $300,000 in 2008 to $160,000 in 2009.

I expect an announcement of a formal ground breaking very soon.

Why was my response to Newark Nets removed. Wow censorship? I will say again and defend Brooklyn, he has no clue what he is talking about. You have no idea just how many wealthy people with disposable income live here. This is why they are building a stadium.

I think everyone should be glad that the NETS are staying in the immediate area of their fans.

I mean I moved from NJ just before Kidd got there, you know how much it sucked to only watch snapshots of their success from across the country?

If the NETS moved from NJ/NY area, you would all feel that pain, which I do not wish on anyone.

How do you think Supersonics fans feel right now…

at Gina:

“and they were called the New York Americans.”

correction – they were known as the NEW JERSEY Americans – I have a jacket to prove it.

I would really like to see evidence that DDDB is losing support, because I have not seen or heard anything reguarding that. Until there is proof for that, I will find that statement to be false. Most of those claims have either been false or taken out of context. One thing that I do know is that DDDB does not represent a minority and they have disprooven that numerous times yet there are still those that still tend to ride that myth.

the nets are moving 15 miles away and we’re acting like they’re going to siberia. this is all so silly.

(In my best Marv Albert voice) YES!

Boo!! But this ruling doesn’t surprise me. The RAT will win them all. Besides, money can buy you just about anything.

@Sonny
Siberia! That’s Prokhorov’s official residence. Don’t even THINK that.

Can we call them the New York Nets for the remainder of the season? It would be so right to wear sick Brooklyn Nets jerseys when we play LeBron on wednesday.

Haha! I told y’all next week Monday there closing Atlantic Ave. down to start the ground breaking for our new arena haha!

Gina Says:

“Cousins isn’t close to 7 feet”

He’s listed at 6’11. Need I say more.

Finally an official date for ground breaking… Now announce that proky is the official owner of the Nets!!!

@ Mr. Big, if you read my post earlier the only place that has him listed at 6’11 is Kentucky, most everywhere else he’s listed at 6-9. He was never listed at 6-11 before getting to Kentucky.

The knicks are down 26 at halftime to the cavs, after letting them put up 74 in a half… I’m sure Lebron is just tripping over himself wondering how quickly he can sign with them in the off-season.

So Cousins is really 6’9", but he is 280 lbs, but really is 300 lbs.

If he is 6’9" but 300 lbs., he would be as solid as the Real Superman from Krypton.

All I know is that he is the most dominant player in College Basketball today, just as Shaq has been the most dominant player in NBA.

Perhaps Cousins is really growing since he arrived in KY.

Maybe he will be 7’2" and weigh 320 lbs by the time he plays in NBA!

The argument of him coexisting with BLopez and being immature is legitimate. Trying to say he can’t be a dominant force in the NBA is not in winning argument.

Perhaps he will drop in draft as a result, and some team will get a good bargain – but I doubt that will happen.

@Andy
I wouldn’t at all be surprised that something comes from the NBA soon about Proky getting approved. I think the delays have always been about Daniel Goldstein.

We still haven’t heard a clear explanation how the 23/30 owners get to vote. Its hard to get 30 big shots in one place during All Star weekend, much less any other time of year. Maybe Stern could get them all to FAX in their vote?

It would make a bigger splash if Proky appeared at the ground breaking.

Once Proky is approved, I believe he could start conducting basketball business, such as interviewing possible coaches.
I don’t see why he has to sign all the remaining papers and become majority owner first.

Honestly, groundbreaking ceremonies can say anything these days. If anyone remembers the so-called Freedom Stone that was dropped into the WTC site back in 2004 to celebrate to building of that ilegitimate replacement known as the Freedom Tower. However, it wasn’t built and instead it lead to about two to three years of redesigns making that event a major humiliation to Pataki instead. Of course I am still fighting for the rebuilding of the Twin Towers even today as I was since they fell on 9/11 as I did manage to get a recent letter in the Daily News on it, which can be seen in the link below. As Yogi Berra once said, “It’s not over until it’s over.” I won’t be surprise if no actual construction comes after that groundbreaking, so I am not feared by that and neither is the opposition.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/02/24/2010-02-24_untitled__vox24ed.html

In more pleasant news, Knicks are losing to Cleveland by about 40 points. They are still burning out McGrady’s knees as he is playing 2/3 of game.

“It’s not over until it’s over”, but today “IT IS OVER” as VC would say.

People have been giving Daniel Goldstein bad advice from the beginning.

Why is trying to say he won’t be dominant in the NBA a losing argument when similar players haven’t translated well? There’s no evidence towards similar players dominating in the NBA, and there’s plenty towards them struggling.

There should be a banner on Izod arena reading that. Needs need to make this known as much as possible. We could help out go to each city and pass out flyers. Nets are about to break ground HA!!!!! lol

If the knicks thinking about signing Lebron they sure not helping with this game 51 to 110 with 10 mins in the fourth James on the bench haha! the knicks are done.

As a Nets fan I always held out hope that they may remain in NJ for the long term, but when you have friends in high places no matter how frivolous you’re actions are they will be approved by higher ups. I really dont see how you can condemn legit places of residence and get away with it, NY should be ashamed of it’s self, but I will say this the day the Nets step foot in Brooklyn to play games I will no longer be a fan anymore. It was so neat to have an NBA team in your home state to root for, and now it’s gone. I blame Lewis Katz for selling the team to Ratner in the first place.

My god y’all acting like the Nets are moving across the country!

The Nets will never see another dollar from openheads.

That’s not the point, the team for better or worse was a staple in NJ, and for those who live in NJ, isn’t it nice to root for a team that plays and reps your state? Instead we are rooting for another NY team.

If anyone has no clue what I mean about having friends in high places, then I suggest getting the documentary Capitalism: A Love Story, by Michael Moore, when it comes out on DVD next week if you didn’t already see it in theaters.

We will get Joe Johnson – they will be left with nothing!

haha damn knicks look horrible, thing is they have no core, McGrady said he’s going to recruit players but I mean to what, play with his old knees.

Haha LeBron going to want and play with Bill Walker smh Knick announcers

Well like y’all said don’t root for them real fans follow there team wherever they go. The Brooklyn Dodgers left for L.A the nets are moving from Jersey to Brooklyn. Yet I still know people that root for the Dodgers because it’s not about Brooklyn or L.A it’s about the “DODGERS” period. Brooklyn or Jersey it’s still the “NETS” so really y’all aren’t Net fans Y’all are “JERSEY” fans so root for another “JERSEY” team y’all still have the devils right there you go.

Welcome To The Rock

Brooklyn Nets baby , cant wait

Even we didn’t play that bad against the Cavs we were right there with them until Lebron blew it open in the fourth. The Knicks are done!

Tal Barzilai or Yi?

We’re not Nets fans because we want the team in Jersey? Way to speak for us.

I think the words “I will no longer be a fan anymore” speaks for itself.

Do you guys think Phil Jackson is a legitimate candidate to become our coach next year?

Wall
C-Lee
LeBron
D-Lee
Lopez

Phil Jackson

But saying you are not a real Nets fan rubs me the wrong way. I am a true Nets fan, I was rooting for this team when they were a joke in the 90’s and early 2000’s all the way through the J Kidd era, through VC, RJ, Kidd “big 3” era, all the way to this very moment. So my fandom cannot be questioned, but with the way everything has went down I dont wanna root for a team in Brooklyn. You can if you want and it wouldn’t make you more or less of a fan than me, but for myself I cant do it. The moment they start playing home games in Brooklyn I will be a neutral NBA fan.

@Eddymac

Well I could understand that and I take it back but I think everybody here has been a fan for years now themselves and wouldn’t stop rooting just because there moving a couple miles away across the lake.

I think Yi hit the rooky “Wall” while Lee finaly have “Turn er”ed it on, meanwhile the Knicks think they can loore FA if they get Mc Grady, VC’s “Cousin”. Those events will help the Nets decide which pick they need the most.

How about the NJ Nets, just like the NY Giants who play in NJ, Voila problem solved

@ Wall or bust, no I think there’s absolutely zero chance Phil Jackson or Lebron are with the nets in 2010, or 2011, or 2012, or 2034

@NI or netsdaily, can u do us all a solid and update the Barclays Center wikipedia page, lord it’s outdated

Here’s another way to put what I said about teams that move somewhere else. When the T’Wolves are hosting the Lakers, are most of the fans going to root for the team that was originally from Minneapolis [the Lakers] or the team that is in Minneopolis right now [the T’Wolves]? When the 76ers host the Warriors are most of the fans going for their city’s original NBA franchise, who won the first NBA chamipionship? What about when the Bobcats are hosting the Hornets or even when the Hornets are hosting the Jazz? They will pretty much go with who is there right now rather than who was there originally. There have been many teams that have moved from their original locations, but are known for where they are now. Some cities like Chicago, Philly, Cleveland, Minneapolis, Charlotte, Detroit, Indianapolis, NO, and even Toronto had other NBA teams before the ones they have now. Meanwhile, other cities such as Providence, [RI] Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, St Louis, Cinncinatti, Ft Wayne, [IN] Anderson [IN] Sheboygan, [WI] KC, Omaha, SD, SF, Baltimore, Seattle, and Vancouver had their teams come and go. On a sidenote, the Yankees were the original Baltimore Orioles for their first two season before moving to NYC to become the NY Highlanders and later what they are know as today.

You really did your research.

“The Nets will never see another dollar from openheads.”

or from me. I hope Ratner and Yormark and Prokorov and all their friends rot where they belong. A total bunch of creeps that desreve each other.

It is truly sad that so many of you find glee in legitimate fans losing their team and more importantly in the grand scheme of things at those that are losing their rightful property for this piece of garbage project that will benefit only a small group of already wealthy pigs.

Okay, so when does the Russian become the owner so the team can spend some money?

If I see some solid productivity this summer I am definitely going to buy a package for the upcoming season. Newark is just a stone toss away from where i’m at here in good ol Union County

To everyone upset about the move….it sucks, but look at it this way…The Nets are still in the tri state area, and they still will be The Nets. If they call them the New York Nets, so what. I root for the NY Giants and they play in NJ. It’s all good. Lets root for an era of championship level basketball, we’ve all suffered for years rooting for this team. If the Nets get to the NBA Finals and happen to host some games at the Barclays I will have no problem taking that trip.

I dont think you get it Dollar Bills, those of us that really care about this team representing New Jersey and never going to support the crooks Ratner and Prokorov that took the team from us.

Is it really that big of a deal? I’m just trying to win a championship.

at Eddymac:

“but with the way everything has went down I dont wanna root for a team in Brooklyn. You can if you want and it wouldn’t make you more or less of a fan than me, but for myself I cant do it. The moment they start playing home games in Brooklyn I will be a neutral NBA fan.”

Lord bless you – well said.

Leaving the worst stadium in U.S. professional sports (the IZOD) for ‘The Rock’… check

Winning every legal battle waged against Atlantic Yards… check

The are only three things left to check off the list -

1. Having Proky officially anointed Supreme Overlord…uh… I mean, owner.
2. Winning at least three more games this season to avoid outright ownership of the “worst team ever” title.
3. Drafting either John Wall or Evan Turner with one of the top two picks.

Once those three things happen, we won’t have any issue turning this ship around via free agency/trades.

It’s all falling into place boys and girls… the light at the end of the tunnel is shining brighter and brighter!

@ Gina

“@ Mr. Big, if you read my post earlier the only place that has him listed at 6′11 is Kentucky, most everywhere else he’s listed at 6-9. He was never listed at 6-11 before getting to Kentucky.”

I did a google search. Most sites have him listed at 6’11. Maybe he grew. I think it’s safe to say he’s not 6’9 anymore

I’m ready for this to finally happen. I’m looking forward to Rod Thorn putting this team back together this summer. I’m hoping for John Wall or Evan Turner. I think Wall is better but either would be fantastic. On top of that all the cap space the Nets have. I want playoffs again.

Let’s move on from IZOD and the bad times that building has brought since it’s name was changed from good old CAA.

I forgot to mention Washington as one of those cities that originally had a team before their current one because I do know that the Capitols, who are now an NHL franchise, did make an BAA (now NBA) Finals appearence in 1949, but lost to the Minneaopolis (now LA) Lakers. Another one was Moline, IL where they Hawks were originally from when they were known as the Blackhawks. That same team moved to Milwaukee and have been the Hawks ever since then. As a matter of fact, the league wasn’t even known as the NBA until 1949 until it merged with the NBL, which it was known as the BAA before that.

@ Issac, it will also benefit the nets themselves. There’s just a much huger population pool in Brooklyn and more casual fans, and casual fans is where NBA teams, and really most sport teams, make their money. They’re not dedicated to the knicks or the nets and if the nets can stop sucking first they’ll start attending nets game and buying gear, giving the nets a much bigger financial advantage than they could get in New Jersey. It’s just business.

Tal, those teams moved clear across the country, we’re talking a bout a team moving less than 30 miles.

And the Nets cannot make 1 cent in Jersey. But they could lose millions.

The Bullets played in Baltimore, Maryland, then moved 25 miles to another arena in Maryland, except this site Landover was closer to Washington. Then, they moved another 10 miles into the District of Columbia.

The Nets played in Nassau County, NY, then moved 40 miles to another arena in New Jersey. Now, they are moving another 15 miles back to another site in New York.

So it happens.

Actually I did support the team when they were in NJ and that was even before they made the NBA Finals. The reason was mainly because I always saw the Knicks as a sloppy team when it came to offense, though there many stats they lacked defensivefly. I sort of have that thing of liking the black sheep compared to the white sheep, which is why I prefer the Mets over the Yankees. I found players such as Kenny Anderson and Derrick Coleman to be underrated, because despite how good they were, the team wasn’t. Even with Stephon Marbury, Kendall Gil, or Keith Van Horn, the Nets still weren’t that good, but I still cheered for them despite that because I was loyal to them. I will admit that I orginally didn’t like when Marbury was traded for Jason Kidd, but it turnned out the Nets did a lot better and even made an NBA Finals for the first time. Drafting players such as RJ and acquiring VC really made them into a team that was a contender. Unfortunately, all of those players were lost to the Rat and they are now bad. To answer that question if I only cared about the Nets when they were going to Brooklyn, that is not true, because I have been a fan longer than most of you Brooklyn bandwagoners. Most long time Knicks fans in Brooklyn will never convert to the Nets.

Ok braz we get ur a nets fan but come on, we had what, 100 people on avg to a nets game everynight for the last 10 years? Even when we were really good we didn’t have more then 1000 people a night at a game. Brooklyn is really good for this team and the new owner will make this team a winner again so I’m happy for that..now we will be in a big market and someone like lebron can get all the endorsements like someone going to the knicks would get. Its NY and big free agents are gonna wanna come and play for this team. Great future and I’m looking forward to them moving..

@ Taz, they don’t need long-time fans to convert, long-time fans isn’t where NBA teams make the most of their money. They just need the sort of basketball fans who kind of follow the NBA but don’t have an allegiance and only go to knicks games cause it’s something to do to start going to nets games instead, which they will if they nets get better faster, and start buying nets gear for fashion reasons or w/e reason half of them buy jerseys.

Also Taz, anyone who actually has a choice between rooting for the Mets and rooting for the Yankees and chooses the Mets deserves a medal. I’m a mets fan but only because it was beaten into me at a young age and now I can’t quit them no matter how hard I try. Someone should have called DFPS on parents who force the mets on their kids before they’re old enough to know the lifetime of heart ache they’re being set up for.

“The Bullets played in Baltimore, Maryland, then moved 25 miles to another arena in Maryland, except this site Landover was closer to Washington. Then, they moved another 10 miles into the District of Columbia.
The Nets played in Nassau County, NY, then moved 40 miles to another arena in New Jersey. Now, they are moving another 15 miles back to another site in New York.
So it happens.”

However, my “Bridge & Tunnel” friend, you are overlooking the overwhelming importance geography plays in the NY metro area.
As pathetic as it sounds……… Location is who you are in this area. It defines you.
I didn’t make these provincial, small minded social constructs, but they exist.
A matter of miles mean a great deal in these parts.

And besides, I want the nets to take over and make the knicks like the mets in this town. Haha..the nets are set up a lot better then the knicks are for the next 10 years so let’s go NY NETS baby!!

Taz, they don’t need long-time fans to convert, long-time fans isn’t where NBA teams make the most of their money. They just need the sort of basketball fans who kind of follow the NBA but don’t have an allegiance and only go to knicks games cause it’s something to do to start going to nets games instead, which they will if they nets get better faster, and start buying nets gear for fashion reasons or w/e reason half of them buy jerseys.

Also anyone who actually has a choice between rooting for the Mets and rooting for the Yankees and chooses the Mets deserves a medal. I’m a mets fan but only because it was beaten into me at a young age and now I can’t quit them no matter how hard I try. Someone should have called DFPS on parents who force the mets on their kids before they’re old enough to know the lifetime of heart ache they’re being set up for.

Gina and christos, I have already made a statement about the Mets here. The Nets wouldn’t be doing the same thing. Until interleague play was made part of the regular season in 1997, the teams of the AL and NL never faced each other except for the MLB All-Star Game and World Series. The first Mets-Yankees rivalry came in 1998 when the first subway series matchup was done, not back in the mid 1970’s when the Yankees had to play home games at Shea Stadium with the Mets because their own stadium was being rennovated in a way that they couldn’t use it for that durration. BTW, most of those in Queens were NL fans before the Mets came of either the Giants or Dodgers, but never the Yankees. One other thing, the NL is not the same as the Western Confrence and even with interleague play durring the regular season, they still don’t play all the other teams in the other league compared to the NBA where each team has at least two meetings against every team in both sides, not a few, so this is apples and oranges here. As for claiming who has been a fan, I am only making the claim that many know who is the real NY team here and that is the Knicks since they have been in NYC since the NBA was founded. One of the main reasons I like the Nets over the Knicks was because my family could never afford to go to Knicks game let alone find good prices for parking there. As a matter of fact, the price of going to one Knicks game a season is the equivalent of going to several Nets games at the same amount, though concession and merchandise were the same. I don’t see why Newark can’t be a better place for the Nets especially when it has all the transportation and location near a major highway compared to the Meadowlands. On a sidenote, please spell my name right, and you can easily just copy and paste it rather than guessing how to type it.

@ Mr. Dollar Bills-

Ultimately, yes, Thorn and Kiki created the recipe for the turd sandwich that is the Nets and decided to serve it to us. And regardless as to who we think is more responsible, we do agree that both men should be let go at the end of the year. After enduring this awful season, I do find any argument to keep Thorn on board laughable.

Yeah sorry man I don’t know how I got Taz from Tal, but I’m not sure what anything you said had to do with what I said. The thing is casual fans likely aren’t going to make the trip out to Newark, their considered casual fans for a reason, it’s the same reason the D-rays are trying to move into the actual city of tampa despite playing like less than 15 miles outside of city limits. It’s just more convenient and when you’re not talking about die hards convenience is everything. Plus since the arena is apparently also going to have business complex it will give them more readily available financial sponsors and a bigger population to sell box seats too.

The Nets were born in NY not in Jersey, Welcome Back!!!!

I don’t quite understand why some people seem to come here only to ram their anti-Brooklyn, anti-Prokhorov opinions down the throats of others. Sorry to sound blunt, but this isn’t newjerseydaily.com. It’s NETSdaily.com. I understand how hard it is for some of you to imagine a New Jersey without the Nets, but it’s something you’ll need to learn to get used to. It is happening. Coming here every day and complaining about won’t change a thing.

Nothing about the moves to either Newark or Brooklyn is detrimental to the TEAM. Nothing at all. If some of you could remove your anti-development beer goggles, you would actually see how beneficial all of this will be to our team.

Again, apologies for sounding so blunt… but at times, for a point to be made, it needs to be put forward in such a way.

*about it

The Jerks Club: Goldstein, Yormark, The Scouts who have done some of our drafts, Isiah Thomas, the CRAZY GUY who owns the Clippers and ISIAH THOMAS! Good things that have happened: drafting Brook, moving to NEWARK, BROOKLYN groundbreaking, NATHANS, RONNDONZO’S CLAM BAR, The Holy Site Of Captain Walter’s…I can’t wait to return to Brooklyn to see the NETS!

Brooklyn will NEVER happen. I can’t repeat that enough. There’s a reason this has dragged on for over six years. Don’t come crying when BK fails to get the Nets.

Win and they will come

I have been a New Jersey Nets fan since the beginning of last decade. I am a firm supporter of rooting for one’s home team and I love how the NJ Devils properly represent our state of New Jersey. That being said, even if Lebron James ever played for New Jersey, we would never fill an arena. Even at the pinnacle of the Jason Kidd era we couldn’t fill an arena. That bothers me enough to the point where I don’t mind the move. The fan base for Brooklyn, at its core, should be NJ Nets fans. That’ll be enough for me. Plus this team is not moving across the country.

I’d rather be in Newark long term, but I’m OK with the team moving to Brooklyn. When was the last time the Nets have acutally turned a profit? Fans forget that the NBA is a business and if the team loses money hand over fist then the team is vulnerable to a move. At least in this case they are just moving 15 miles.

at MrT:

“Brooklyn will NEVER happen. I can’t repeat that enough. There’s a reason this has dragged on for over six years. Don’t come crying when BK fails to get the Nets.”

If only this were true. How can it possibly fall through at this point? I would love to know because i’m still praying that is exactly what will happen.

at Barryfrom Brooklyn:

“The Nets were born in NY not in Jersey”

Again – that is INCORRECT. The team began play as the New Jersey Americans. Is it that difficult for people to research this before making the false proclamation.

“Gardner”, “Chris2” – Well said, and agreed.

“Beating a dead horse” seems sensible compared to reading over and over again some of these posts.

Everything must change in life.

“Everything must change
 Nothing stays the same
 Everyone must change
 No one stays the same”

Next…

@ Paul Erstein – Isiah Thomas is actually very good at drafting.

Check out these names:

Nate Robinson
Trevor Ariza
David Lee
Wilson Chandler

(All lottery talents taken with second-round or essentially second-round picks).

@Issac, they played in NJ, but they were BORN in NY. The founder established them to play in NY, couldn’t find a venue and went to NJ. The idea for them, was born in NY.

Mr. T – There are no legal hurdles remaining and the financing is in the bank…yet you insist Brooklyn will not happen.

Regardless of which side you’re on in this issue, anybody from NY or Brooklyn, who only became a Nets fan once they heard the team was moving is pathetic. I’d imagine there’s a good percentage of Brooklynites who think this is “their” team after they’d been Knick fans their whole life. There’s all these Nets “fans” crawling out of the woodwork now in BK where I know for a fact there was at best a miniscule fanbase for the team. Plainly and simply, when the Nets suck, New Yorkers and Brooklynites see them as “Jersey’s Team”. If the Nets are winning all the sudden it’s “Come back home Nets, the Knicks are terrible”. Hence the beginning of this season after 0-18 Brooklynites were telling the media that they didn’t want the Nets if they “were going to be this bad”. As far as I’m concerned 99.9% of the BK “fanbase” is Brooklyn Bandwagoneers (trademark copyright).

Above @Gina, Mikee21 et. al if you couldn’t get the hint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Nets

@Isaac this link is for you read up it was NOT the New Jersey Americans. Thank you.

@NJ4Life

I understand what you mean and you make a great point. Alot of people who did find out the Nets are moving to Brooklyn now all of a sudden wanna cheer for them. BUT, that is not the case with me and I could only speak for myself. I have been a Nets fan for years before and yes of course after the Jason kidd era. So for anybody to say that we are not true Net fans because we have NO care in the world that they are relocating to Brooklyn I have a big problem with. Again it is not like the Nets are moving across the country there moving less then what 15 30 miles away to the next borough it’s not that big of a deal.

“Brown found it difficult to find a suitable venue in New York City. Some were booked solid, and others had owners who didn’t want to anger the Knicks by opening their doors to a rival team. Scrambling for a venue, the team settled on the Armory in Teaneck, New Jersey, and changed its squad name to the New Jersey Americans, though its franchise name remained the New York Americans”

This is all the proof you need to know that the Nets were 1st known as a NEW YORK team and not NEW JERSEY.

at Mikee21:

you do realize Wikipedia is not an official source of anything? Anyone including you or I could put information on there and pass it as fact. What is a fact is that I owened an officially licenced NEW JERSEY Americans jacket.

For a comprehensive history lesson on the Nets please read: From Julius to Jason, the Fall and Rise of the New Jersey Nets by Guy Kipp.

http://www.amazon.com/Julius-Jason-Guy-Kipp/dp/1589393333/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267547865&sr=8-2

at NJ4Life:

“As far as I’m concerned 99.9% of the BK "fanbase" is Brooklyn Bandwagoneers (trademark copyright.”

I would say it’s probably going to be a fan base of 80 percent bandwaggoners and 20 percent actual longtime Nets fans – but that’s still an utter joke and your point is well taken.

@Mikee21

Like I said I’m under the impression that 99.9% of BKers fall under bandwagon. I’ve said multiple times on here that Net fans who followed the team before their success have every right to being excited about the move.

I totally agree with Isaac. If any of my friends or relatives move out of state, they are immediately cut off.

When the Giants and Jets moved to NJ, I stopped watching football.

When Letterman moved from NBC to CBS I stopped watching David.

I believe the world revolves around me.

I’m the center of the universe.

What ever I believe to be right, of course is right.

LMAO

@Isaac: http://www.remembertheaba.com/TeamMaterial/NewJerseyMaterial/AmericansArticlePart1.pdf

The info from Wiki is from an interview with a member of the original team, its as official as it gets.

at NJ4Life:

I am in that very small percentile you speak of – born and riased in Brooklyn – rooted hard for the New Jersey Nets. I chose not to root for the NYC team and I won;t be rooting for a bandwagon NYC team either. If Brooklyn goes through the nets have lost one of their only true fans FROM Brooklyn.

And I can tell you from growing up there, you were lucky if there were more than 2 Nets fans in ANY class in ANY grade of school. Now of all of a sudden Brooklyn is Nets country? It’s a joke.

“the Americans negotiated an agreement with the Teaneck, New Jersey Armory to play the first season in New Jersey. Because the Armory was within the franchises boundary lines, the team was called "the New Jersey Americans”

“Dick: "Finally, as time was running out, the Americans negotiated an agreement with the Teaneck, New Jersey Armory to play the first season in New Jersey. Because the Armory was within the franchises boundary lines, the team was called "the New Jersey Americans", while the franchise documentation remained as the "New York Americans".

Marty: "So it really was going to be the New York Americans? And really always, from an official standpoint, still the New York Americans throughout that first year. But everyone called them New Jersey Americans."

Dick: "Yes, a little known fact."

Sounds like someone has regional conflict issues. Growing up in NYC but not rooting for NY teams???

Sounds like you hate NYC.

The tri-state area is the most important part of the U.S.A. and the most closely connected. People in NYC, L.I., NJ and CT are bonded together even though some don’t want to see it or acknowledge the fact.

Anybody who tries to break that bond is a traitor to the place I call home. I feel at home in NJ, CT, NY + L.I.

Been in and lived in other places but will have only one real “home”.

Lets go NJ NETS, NY NETS, CT NETS or L.I. NETS…

@NJlife, for the most part yeah I agree it’s pathetic, but regardless it’s good for the team. I don’t really care if they couldn’t name 4 Nets from the last decade as long they choose to spend their money on the nets. Like you said the core fans will likely still be true fans, but teams don’t make money off their ability to keep true fans, it’s their ability to pull in millions of band wagoners. If some guy who can’t spell Nets chooses to buy Nets gear because it’s suddenly cool and matches his shoes or something then I am all for it.

A lot of “core” fans sound like they have some special status that makes them so wonderful.

I been a Nets fan since their inception and that does not make me special. Bandwagon fans are welcome, just watch out, being a Nets fan can be dangerous to your health, physically and especially mentally. LOL

at Gina:

You sound like a member of the Nets sales and marketing department, not a fan. Why do some of you on here can so much about the money ownership brings in? Is that what being a fan has become all about? I must have missed that boat.

Sounds like someone has regional conflict issues. Growing up in NYC but not rooting for NY teams??? Sounds like you hate NYC."

I don’t hate NYC but I’m not a big gan of its sports fans. I’m a New Jersey Nets and New York Islanders fan and have been for a long time. If there were a baseball team that played in NJ/CT or LI, i’d root for it.

Part of the mystique about being a Nets fan is that there are so few os us legit fans and it has been us against the world. It made the thrill of making the NBA Finals in back to back years 50 times more exciting and unbelieveable than it could have felt had the Knicks done that or when they did indeed make it back twice in the 90s. The same can be said for the Isles – aside from thr 4-year dynasty, we have always been 2nd and now 3rd class citizens in the NYC area.

Now all of a sudden i’m supposed to get behind thiefs like Ratner and Prokorov and be joined by thousands of bandwagon fans in Brooklyn laying claim to my team after ignoring (at best) the Nets for all these years. It is a SHAM and I don’t know how more of you don’t relaize this.

I don’t know about Gina but I happen to get paid $20.00 for every pro Nets owner/management comment I post… Oops… I spilled the beans…

For any pro Yi comment posted, I get $30.00 bucks. Easy money is sometimes hard. For any anti CDR or T-Will comment, I get $50.00.

Sounds like you would also be attracted to cults and secret societies. Being special is not as special at it seems. LOL

Couldn’t Newark bring in “casual fans” too? I bet there were a bunch of those during the pre season games in October.

In this life you can choose to be happy or miserable.

I chose both, that is why I’m a Nets fan… LMAO

Are you certain that they will keep the “Nets” nickname?

Also, Brooklyn is infested with trustfund hipsters.

@All Who Read This Site Regularly,

I am supremely confident about my prediction that Brooklyn will NEVER be the host borough for the Nets. As in 100%. A perfect storm of issues OUTSIDE of the team, the owner and the opponents/ current residents will determine the fate of this project. From Gov. Patterson’s imminent ouster to the severe fiscal issues with the State of NY and by extension, the MTA (which owns the site); to the fact that Proky is still not the principal owner (officially) due to the transfer of property and clearance of the site, to the fact that the rest of the project (affordable and market rate housing, retail, etc.); to the fact that an endorsement of this project is akin to political suicide; lastly, a new arena already exists in the region in Newark and that MSG (read: the Knicks) will NEVER let a move to Brooklyn go down without a fight. Compiling all of these contributors to the project fate leads me to believe (with great confidence) that this project will be shelved.

Don’t believe the hype from the partisans. I’ll freely admit I was wrong if the Nets actually end up playing in BK, but we won’t see that for at least another two years, and that’s the only way I’ll ever be convinced.

The Brooklyn Lebrons?

It’s got a nice ring to it

Isaac, you’re FROM brooklyn????

at Morpheus:

I would love to believe you are right but at this point how could this possibly be true? They have a ground breaking scheduled for next week! They have a multi-billionaire backing them, unless he pulls out they would appear to have no financial issues. No matter how right Goldstein and company are, they can’t seem to buy a court case (pun-intended) ad the Knicks have seemingly put up no fight (at least publicly) in attempting to block the team from trying to move to Brooklyn.

So how is this still going to fall through??? Believe me, I have been hoping and hoping for this to happen ever since this horrible idea was annouved by Ratner and I am still waiting for that potentially glorious day to come.

at NJ4Life:

yes I am from Brooklyn – I have stated that many times on here. I lived there for most of my life and the majority of my trips to the Meadowlands originated from there. All of my best sports memories are of watching the Nets play at that old barn and I will be terribly saddended when they even leave for Newark never mind if they leave New Jersey altogether. it will never be the same, the team won’t be the same and neither would being a fan of it. So i’ll have to move on if they do.

@ Isaac – I know this is off topic, but EVEN the ESPN guys (Chad Ford/J. A. Adande/John Hollinger, etc, etc, etc.) now seem to think highly of Mike Brown.

@ Morpheus:

Your claim that the Knicks will fight this tooth and nail is laughable. Remember, the Dolans almost single-handedly killed the Jets west side stadium because they perceived it as a threat to MSG. They bankrolled the opposition and got the project shelved. Obviously, they have not moved a muscle these past six years to oppose the Brooklyn development. Little late now, don’t you think?

The project has also undergone a Master Closing, I’m quite sure that it would be very difficult for the state to break the agreements with Ratner in regards its financial support and the renegotiation of the lease with the MTA. But of course they’ve bent over backwards for Ratner and catered to his every whim, there’s no indication they would ever think of backing out, even if it were possible.

The uncertain economy and credit markets may endanger the rest of the AY development, but the arena is a virtual lock at this point.

It’s over folks. It’s BK’s team now. Lets enjoy the last two season in Newark. Maybe down the line and hopefully sometime in my lifetime, Newark will get its own NBA team. Don’t worry NJ fans, when i become rich ill make it happen…heheh.

All i need is a dollar a dream…lol

I can’t believe anyone complains about new fans “jumping on the bandwagon”. It’s terrific news! That is the point of moving to Brooklyn. If the fan base doesn’t grow, next thing we know they’ll be the new Seattle Supersonics!

I also can’t believe anyone justifies their opposition to the BK move because they like the fact that the fan base has been so puny and pathetic. That completely defies logic. That’s like cheering missed shots and turnovers. “Yay! We suck!”

I guess some people just can’t be happy unless they’re miserable.

Has anyone else received a call from the Nets and asked if they were interested in season tickets for next season at The Rock. The sales guy said they are already working at making it the “best basketball atmosphere” to see a game in the NBA next season-whatever that means.
I told him I will wait and see how the roster looks in early August.

@ Issac, if you read my post I said AS LONG AS IT GETS REINVESTED IN THE TEAM. The point is the more money a team brings in the more they can put back into the team, it’s not just about paying players, teams like Houston and Dallas POUR money into scouting and statistical research, which is why they’re able to find so many “hidden” gems and get relatively cheap production from FA’s international guys and low draft picks that no one ever expected to do anything, it’s also why Houston is consistently one of the best defensive teams in the league the amount of research behind it is insane. On top of that teams like the mavs they spend greatly on facilities and training equipment and medical research. There’s so much more to putting together a winning team than just a coach and players, and all of it costs MONEY. Like netsincome said in another thread the nets were losing so much money the last few years they’ve had to cut huge numbers from their scouting and behind the scenes types staff, and they were cutting from a staff that was already at a disadvantage to other teams. On top of that teams like the mavs they spend greatly on facilities and training equipment and medical research and such. If the nets want to consistently be able to compete on the level of teams like the Mavs and the Spurs and the Lakers and Rockets, as in consistently being good not just putting all their eggs in one basket of a few high priced stars for a few years and then having to blow everything up and start over, like the we did, and the wizards did and the Celtics will probably be doing soon, that’s the type of investment they’re going to have to match in behind the scenes type things. I really don’t care how much the owners make, I just know that if the owners are barely pulling in profits they’re barely going to be willing to spend on players and coaches let alone go above and beyond like teams like the Rockets/Mavs. And most reports seem to say that Prokhav is the type of owner willing to spend on those things, he did for his European team and he did for his athletes in the Olympics. I’m not saying I’m going to respect any bandwagon jumpers like I would true fans. I’m saying I’ll gladly take their money because it means the nets will be that much better and I’m pretty sure wanting your team to be the very best and have every advantage they can get is what being a fan is about.

@ John at the Jersey Shore

You couldn’t have said it better. Echos my thoughts almost exactly. Do you think the Cavs fans are complaining about the bandwagoners that sell-out theQ every night?

@John yeah exactly, with the way attendance was most of the last decade people should be happy that we have a major city like New York to move to that’s only 15 miles away. Nearly any other team in a small market would probably be moving clear across the country.

Yeah I should be estactic. sarcasm

“I don’t quite understand why some people seem to come here only to ram their anti-Brooklyn, anti-Prokhorov opinions down the throats of others. Sorry to sound blunt, but this isn’t newjerseydaily.com. It’s NETSdaily.com. I understand how hard it is for some of you to imagine a New Jersey without the Nets, but it’s something you’ll need to learn to get used to. It is happening. Coming here every day and complaining about won’t change a thing.”
Rusty, there is a thing called freedom of choice, and all of us are entitled to it. If I see the move to Brooklyn as a slap in the face to us long time Nets fans, that’s my view. If you view it as something good, then that’s your view. Having a place where only one side is heard eventually makes it boring, so different viewpoints are used to make it interesting. I guess some supporters can’t seem to take a debate either because they tend to either send very defensive or just repeat the same rhetoric said by Ratner and his cronies. BTW, I have been to numerous hearings and other events involving this, so I do more than just complain on a website like this. Maybe I should show all my letters to the editor and wanting the Twin Towers rebuilt just to show that I am more than some armchair activist, or even just type my name in Google with quotes and see what I have been talking about for years. As for the claim that this project will help the area, I want actual proof and not some copied and pasted statement by Ratner or one of his cronies such as Yormark.

LONG LIVE THE NEW JERSEY NETS! Give us a new owner who cares about the team and put a successful product on the floor. Once that happens, we will have a legit following in the Newark area where we belong!

I was born and raised in New Jersey. I have never been in Brooklyn and can say I have NO interest in visiting that borough. I would like to be able to see my basketball team in the state that they have always represented. NEW JERSEY!

By the way, why would they be Brooklyn anyway? That seems so irrelevant in the grand scale. What New York team begins their name with the borough they play in? Manhattan knicks, The Bronx Yankees, Queens Mets? NOPE!

NEW JERSEY NETS!

“Rusty, there is a thing called freedom of choice, and all of us are entitled to it. If I see the move to Brooklyn as a slap in the face to us long time Nets fans, that’s my view. If you view it as something good, then that’s your view. Having a place where only one side is heard eventually makes it boring, so different viewpoints are used to make it interesting. I guess some supporters can’t seem to take a debate either because they tend to either send very defensive or just repeat the same rhetoric said by Ratner and his cronies.”

@ Tal

You (and a few others) have made your feelings on this known. That’s completely fine. Like you eluded to, freedom of expression is a wonderful thing. However, it seems like every time I read something on here from either you or Isaac, it’s ‘yet another’ complaint about BK. This isn’t meant to sound like an attack on you or anyone else, because it isn’t, really, it’s just that I feel your points are starting to carry less and less weight. We’ve heard it all before… so, so many times.

You may believe that many of us – as supporters of the project – are just repeating “the same rhetoric said by Ratner and his cronies”. Can you see how it looks like you’re doing nothing more than that, on behalf of DDDB and Goldstein?

at Rusty:

and we’ve heard what you and the pro-Brooklyn people have to say too – and that is equally annoying to us. Why should your opinions carry any more weight than ours? If anything on a New Jersey Nets fan site, it should be questioned why you aren’t supporting the state against getting robbed of its team that we are all supposedly fans of.

@ Isaac

It’s not that the opinions of project supporters carry any more weight. It’s the most of the supporters are excited about the development and what it means for the TEAM.

If you’ve noticed, I’ve never approached this issue from the New Jersey side of the matter – though I do respect the opinions of those who feel aggrieved by the team leaving to another state (even if, realistically, they’re relocating no more than 15 miles away). I’ve always approached this issue as simply a NETS FAN – keeping the context solely on the team. Like I said, I believe this is netsdaily.com. Not, newjersey.com or newjerseynetsdaily.com. I simply cannot see how the Brooklyn move isn’t a massive positive for the TEAM.

Rusty, I have no associations with DDDB whatsoever even though I am probably the only one here who has met with them face to face. However, I do represent myself at those hearings and not them in any way or form. Real activists are not paid by others to do the dirty work for them. On a sidenote there are other message where I am accussed of working for the Twin Towers Alliance, which is also false. Overall, I represent myself everywhere I go.

@Morpheus,

U are the man!

If Lewis Katz didn’t sell the team to Ratner none of this would have happened. Anyway Prudential Center is as good as a place as Barclays could or would be and I believe fans from the surrounding areas would support the basketball team. Just like Brooklyn residents would do once they are in Brooklyn. So I dont really understand WHY the Nets couldn’t be a success in Newark.

@Eddymac, they could probably be successful, but the population just isn’t as big and you don’t have the same corporate sponsor opportunities as in Brooklyn. It’s just much more population defense and commercial dense and I actually think may be wealthier per capita. There’s also the fact that, right or wrong, a lot of the casual fans in the city they’re likely trying to target aren’t going to consider a team in New Jersey, a different state, the same as they’d consider a team in Brooklyn, the same city.

Also Newark has a population density of 11723 people per square mile, Brooklyn has one of 35957. That’s a MASSIVE difference, it’s also 50 sq miles larger.

If the Knicks were moving from Manhattan to the Meadowlands and became the New Jersey Knicks there would be absolute outrage. The fact that its just a 20 minute drive away means nothing in that context.

I’m not bashing by saying it’s only 13 miles away. I’m saying it’s a lot better than the alternative which is becoming like the Zombie Sonics and moving cross country.

Call me crazy, but I would rather see the Nets move to Seattle. Let them become the New Sonics. NJ would keep the rights to “Nets” name and NJ would have a better shot of getting another NBA franchise.

I mean I doubt Stern would allow a 3rd NBA team to play in this area. Though there are 3 hockey teams so, why not have a 3rd NBA team.

Damn I’d love to see the kings move to the Rock..

Newark Kings sound so cool…

I think the most interesting development in the debate of BK vs NJ is the fact that they will temporarily move to a state of the art facility in the best possible location in NJ. We will have 2 years to see what could be or could have been. Maybe new fans will come to Newark. Maybe the fan base will still be anemic. I don’t think anything can prevent the move to BK now, but it will be ironic if the fan base grows significantly while they play at the Rock. I would prefer they remain the NJ Nets, but it’s not a deal breaker if they don’t.

@Pablo, there’s no guarantee NJ would keep the rights to the Nets name, plenty of teams have moved, in every league, and taken everything, the name colors and history, with them Seattle, and Cleveland, are pretty much the only exceptions. And there’s DEFINITELY no guarantee NJ would get another NBA team. Before the Sonics started being really bad right before the move they were always in the top ten of the league in attendance, not to mention they’re probably the biggest market without a team right now and the biggest in the north west and they haven’t even been assured another team. What makes you think that a location that couldn’t even break the top half of the league in attendance in back to back final years would have any chance? More than likely if the Nets moved to Seattle if the NBA decided to add another team they’d rather it be added it in NY, not New Jersey, anyway because of the financial advantage.

I’d have to agree with Pablo

If the Nets must move, I would rather have them in Newark. This isn’t the first time it has been brought and that goes back to years before Ratner bought the team. The reason there were plans to have them there was not just because it was near a major highway, but also by the state’s biggest transit hub, which is Newark-Penn Station. If the move was permanent, then their fanbase would increase by a larger margin just like the Devils have. Currently, the majority of their fanbase is in NJ, not NYC, so they will lose a good amount if they end up in Brooklyn. Whether or not the Nets started out as either a NY or NJ team, they are a NJ team right now as they have been for the last 40 years compared to being a NY team for less than a decade.

@ Pablo

There is no way Jersey ever gets another NBA franchise.

@ BB

That’s up to whoever owns an NBA franchise. If it can prove to be profitable then a team can move to Newark after the Nets, they said they won’t step in the way. Kings & Bucks are the next two in line to relocate if they can’t get state of the art facility.

@ BB

I don’t how you can possibly say that (assuming you’re serious). I would say – even with the Nets and Knicks in New York from 2012 – there’s a really good chance of a team re-locating to Newark.

*I don’t know how

@Pablo

I never thought of that angle. But I’m thinking that Stern doesn’t want a 3rd team in the area due to the lack of recent attendance support for the Islanders.

Back to the Seattle angle, I agree in that there would’ve been a MUCH great chance for Newark had the Nets moved across the country. In fact, I bet they would move to the top of the list relocation options. But with there already being 2 teams in the area, I guarantee you that they are going to be at the bottom of the list.

Not saying that I would’ve supported a Nets move to Seattle but that I could see the NJ angle as far as hoping for a new team to come home.