Knicks have 2 2nd round picks this year?
Don’t forget Knicks will almost certainly buy into the late first round, either this year or most likely next, like they have done a few times in the past. One of the benefits of mega rich ownership that the Nets will soon enjoy too, if they ever need to move picks down the road for another piece to the puzzle they can always buy another.

The Knicks have ONE second rounder, as the item notes, the Clippers pick, conveyed through the Nuggets in the Renaldo Balkman deal. It’s essentially a swap.

The Knicks do not have an extensive record of buying picks. They sent a second round pick and cash to the Lakers for the rights to Toney Douglas last year. They’re not like the Blazers who have bought picks for $3 million each in five of the last six drafts.

Evan Turner is our man.

Nets more likely to have 10, not 9 picks, unless Warriors finish in top 7 in 2012. Also I think it is mathematically eliminated that Nets give up their 2nd round pick this year.

I wonder if Thorn discussed with Proky the possibility of spending $ to buy a higher pick in 1st round. Can Nets combine Dallas pick with $3 million to get a higher pick?

If anyone is going to be spending $ to get better, it would be Nets over Knicks. Sorry Knicks fans – you can re-sign McGrady though!

It’s gonna be another long decade for Knicks fans if they have to settle for secondary guys this summer because after building this up so much they can’t walk away with no one. Someone’s gonna get massively overpaid by the knicks, book it. Rudy Gay might bite, he just wants money. Same way with Carlos Boozer. Amare just wants to be the man, good team or bad team, besides getting paid. One of these guys will probably get more money than they should from the knicks and all we have to wait for is the buyer’s remorse to kick in

@ muwu: I’m thinking the same thing… Only about the Nets. Hopefully Thorn doesn’t read some of the posts here that want to give Joe Johnson, Amare, and Rudy Gay big contracts just to make a splash. The only players I would reach for are Lebron and David Lee. DLee is a great guy and has is showing no signs of slowing down. His game improves every season and he’s still a few years from his prime. Besides them, they should sign a veteran to lead this team because Devin is awful at it, then build through the draft.

Assuming Nets get a wing with their 1st pick (hopefully Evan Turner), how about a deal to move up in draft in order to get the next Alonzo Mourning/KMart.

Currently DeMarcus Cousins is anywhere from #4-#8 but I expect him to go in top 4 – but you never know (eg BLopez).
Nets could combine Dallas pick + Warriors 2012 pick + CLee(who is desired but would be reserve if Nets add Turner)+ maybe TWill (who I like) and cash.

Nets would then have all their cap space intact and would have core of BLopez, Cousins, Turner and Harris.
Since this would all happen BEFORE LeBron would have to decide on accepting his 2010-2011 player option, then LeBron could indeed want to be the missing piece on that All Star team!!

Nets could sign LeBron and still have enough for another nice piece (willing to take a discount to join LeBron) or several $3 million free agents.

I see this as the best and maybe only way to get LeBron this year – otherwise he would play it safe and wait another year. First though, LeBron may have to win a championship.

Thorn is in a dream situation for a GM. He needs to prove that he is one of the best GM’s in sports. No team could be better positioned for the future with all of these draft picks (some of them high), money, rich owner, cap space, hand picked new coach and young talent. If he can’t create a winner out of this situation he’s in the wrong business.

Statistically we’ve been worse at drafting than the Knicks have. All the picks in the world don’t matter if we keep drafting the Antoine Wrights and the Milie Illics of the world. If the Knicks can keep finding talents like Lee, Chandler, and Nate the great then they will be alright.

The only thing these picks are valuable for are trades. I have no faith in this organization to draft well outside the top 10.

I don’t see how Cousins and Lopez works because both play only at center and never at power forward, not to mention that both at low post scorers. They would seemingly crowd each other in the paint. Add that Cousins has a selfish rep, I don’t see how they work. Not to mention Cousins seems like a very immature and risky character guy.

“You probably heard about UK’s DeMarcus Cousins and how he’d been getting harassing calls and texts from some Mississippi State fans that found out his cell phone number. Cousins taunted the MSU crowd after Kentucky beat them the other night, making the "Call me" gesture and getting chewed out by Calipari. On the road again yesterday, Cousins was baiting the Vandy crowd and got yelled at by Coach Cal, then when the game was over, you could see him doing the "Call me" thing again. Yeah, he’s just a kid, but how does he learn nothing from this?”

Brook actually played power forward in college (Robin started at center).

Money is a big factor. Surely Thorn would have grabbed DeJuan Blair early in the 2nd round if he had the money. Thorn said that Nets needed a BEAST (or was it a Moose?) but certainly wasn’t going to take a chance with the 1st round pick.

If Nets got DLee, he would become the team leader.
If Nets could re-arrange Dooling’s contract for next year, they could keep him as a team leader too.

If Nets can get Evan Turner with pick, he would quickly become a better team leader than Harris.

Speaking of Turner, Ohio State is playing on ESPN at 12 noon!!

@muwu
VC said that BLopez was really a PF. Maybe something to it, as Lopez always wants to shoot from midrange and people say he is soft.

I think Brook might be as much of a problem as would Cousins, behaving like he was another KMart.

I bet the scouts at KY games are watching Cousins more than Wall, since Cousins could be drafted anywhere from #2 to #10.

If you imagine Cousins was really a young Alonzo Mourning, would you still pass over him? Like passing over Jordan because you already had a very good SG?

@Greg
good point.

Maybe Brook would be Okay with the thought afterall.
Hope Thorn would sit down privately with Rod and discuss that possibility, but I doubt it would happen.

Cousins would be a crowd pleaser though. He would change the Nets “soft” culture.

Question: Assuming the worst NBA record (pretty safe), do the Nets get the 31st pick regardless of what happens in the lottery (ie, 1-4)?

Also, I’ve reach that there is a steep fall off after first few picks (comparatively to other draft years). Does anyone know how strong the next few draft years are projected to be?

Lastly, if the Mavs don’t make the playoffs in the west, does that mean that they are automatically in the lottery … at which it goes by worst record to best? If that’s true, does that bump Dallas from a low 20s pick to about 14?

second sentence ought to say, "Also, I’ve read that there is a steep fall off …. "

No way would I want Cousins on our team. He might be good, but he reminds me of a young Z-Bo…

If you look at the Knick picks vs. the Nets picks from 2005 through 2010, there isn’t much of a difference.

The Knicks last two drafts they took Gallinari (over Lopez) and Hill (over Jennings). How does that compute into good drafting?

Forgetting second rounders, which is a crap shoot, here’s who both sides picked in the first round.

In 2005, they smartly took Robinson and Lee after the Nets took Wright. Bad for the Nets.

In 2006, they took Renaldo Balkman while the Nets took M. Williams and Boone AFTER Balkman. No matter how bad the Nets two picks were, Balkman was much worse, considering they passed on Rondo, who was taken between Balkman and M. Williams.

In 2007, they took Wilson Chandler after the Nets took S. Williams. Major advantage to the Knicks.

In 2008, again, they took Gallinari over Lopez. Gallo is a good player but the Knicks needed and still need a big man. They passed on Lopez. The Nets also took Ryan Anderson and then traded him for the next guy taken in that draft, Courtney Lee. Big advantage to the Nets.

In 2009, they took Hill, one of the big busts of the draft, over Jennings and then dumped him in a trade. T.Williams may not be much better but at least he was taken after Jennings, after Curry.

That’s an IF. Cousins could be an Alonzo Mourning or a Sean Wiliams, his career could swing either way. And wait, so a locker room filled with talented guys with horrible attitudes sounds good to you? Me, I’d rather go for Derrick Favors. The type of guys the spurs would want are the ones I want: professional, humble, hard-working, worldly, intelligent. Besides, with Cousins’ attitude problems, and no veterans on this team to guide them, it won’t look good for his development. Look at CDR and TWill earlier in the year. We have to veteran leader to teach these kids how to act

@Mumu
Cousins could never be a Sean Williams “on the court”. Sean was released 90% because if his play “on the court”. He would never have missed much playing time due to his minor off court altercations. Sean was always a great cheerleader (unlike say Marcus Williams who was a negative).

Remember when Mourning and KMart had a fight over KMart’s insults? They still played together, and it was only after Ratner let KMart go that Mourning wanted to be traded. They were both intense competitors, yet they made the Nets tough.

I could see Lopez and Cousins fighting “off court” in the same way. They could still be fighting “off court” as they play in the Eastern Conference finals in front of a packed crowd.

@ NI

Most of these “extra” picks that we have are outside the top 10. If you look at picks outside the top 10, we’ve done remarkably worse than the Knicks. Once you get outside the top 10, your ability to evaluate talent becomes that much more important.

I think it way too early to use the “bust” label for Jordan Hill. He’s JUST a ROOKIE. He was traded for the allure of having two max deals, plain and simple. In the past you’ve used the same argument for the players the Nets have drafted or traded for, when people referred to Yi or TWill or CDR as “busts” in their first week/month/year. Aren’t you being a bit hypocritical here?

Besides, had Hill fallen to 11, do you think the Nets would have drafted him? Without a doubt—-yes. Then we would have been stuck with this “bust”.

The Knicks good drafting was because of Isiah Thomas, he’s not there anymore. Say what you want about the man, but he knew talent. He also drafted TMac and Marcus Camby

@Oriel

Assuming the Nets are the worst team in the NBA, they will have the 31st pick in the seconde round no matter what happens in the lottery because the lottery doesn’t apply for the second round.
From what I’ve read and heard, next year is supposed to be a fairly strong draft with Harrison Barnes, but I’m quite clueless about the 2012 draft.
 If the Mavs do drop out of the playoffs, which is a possibility because they are only 4 games out and the Thunder are streaking, they will automatically drop down to 14 (assuming they are the best team to not make the playoffs). We would then be able to still take very good mid-first round players like Willie Warren(who might still be taken in the 20’s), Xavier Henry, Devin Ebanks, or Patrick Patterson. Just ask if you have any other questions.

plus cousins seems to be a below the rim offensive center, not a good fit next to Lopez.

Favor seems like more of a natural 4 who would rebound and play D, complement Lopez well. If Favors could develop an outside shot than the Nets could have a core C, PF, and PG.

brian I agree.

It is hypocritical to read people the riot act for declaring Yi a bust last year, and then to turn right around and quickly label two rookies(Williams and Hill) as busts. It’s obvious to me that those who have said that don’t understand the game or the NBA, period.

Turner on ESPN…trying to picture him with a nets jersey…

I want him in a Nets jersey at any costs.

I want Turner so badly…

Btw, if we end up with 3rd pick, we must take Cousins, IMO. He’s a beast. He’s young, he’ll mature. We haven’t had a big man like him since Martin. You shouldn’t worry that much about whether he’s a good fit next to Lopez or not, esp when you have such a high pick. Actually, I think he’ll be better than Lopez if he puts it all together. Just take the best talent availbable. Cousins would be best prospect available if we end up with the 3rd/4th pick. Favors is way too raw. Wouldn’t mind him with the 4th pick if Cousins isnt there.

Cousins+Lopez would be a dominant pair. I hope we get one of the first two picks and get Turner, but Cousins would be an awesome consolation prize.

We should take whatever money we’ve saved the last 2 years and use it to hire like ten drafting scouts, cause outside of Lopez and maybe CDR/T-Williams our drafts the last ten years have been God awful.

And I’m with Muwu, Cousins dominates college ball but to me there’s too many concerns between his shaky athleticism and his supposed attitude problems. To trade up to take him or to take him over someone like Turner/Wall.

I have seen Wall twice, and only read about Turner… just once, just now. All I have to say is, Turner sounds exactly like what we need for a championship! a 2 guard who can create shots for himself AND teammates, AND shoots at a high %!???? That sounds like a no brainer!

That fits right into my theory that no PG stud has ever won a title, at least not since the Pistons with Thomas running the show. How many stud shooting guards have won? Yeah.

I’d say Chauncey Billups and Tony Parker are stud point guards. But I agree if you have a stud big man and a stud sg, as long as you can surround them with competent pieces you’re going to be competitive for a long time.

I don’t think it has anything to do with position. Although the new nba with hand checking rules makes it favorable to perimeter players, so perimeter players are seemingly more significant now than big men. But I don’t think you can generalize that it has something to do with if they are a pg or a sg or what.

It’s still a team game and all of the NBA champions had solid players pretty much in all positions. The Celtics had Ray Allen, but they also had Rondo. The Spurs had Manu and Parker. It has more to do with the entire team than the specific position of your star

Wishing we get # 1pick and Get Wall and DO a TRADE similar to Tractor Traylor for Nowitzki or Foye for Roy, or Aldridge for Thomas plus Future first round and a young player. A Wall for Turner swap with 2 future pick or just 1 future pick with no lottery protection suits just fine. Wall For Cousins, yes but Not Flavors. A Mourning type or a Kevin Mchale type player suits just fine. Duncan and Robinson anytime for me rather than Above the rim bigman whose MOSTLY injured anyway and get grounded after their bouts with surgeries….

Nice to Watch Dominique Wilkins, But Larry Bird Gets More Rebounds and has more championships…

sssoooo turner is playing amazing against michigan right now while wall and the wildcats are gettin their bones jumped by tennessee lol TURNER WE WANT U!!!!!

it’s favors not flavors lol

Switching through the channels

Wall looks awful
Turner looks like a can’t miss superstar
Cousins doing his best Yi impersonation on defense
Favors looks solid and throws down an alley-oop that would make Dwight Howard jump out of his seat.

@ tin man.

I am watching this guy turner right now against michigan. he has 13 pts on 6-6 shooting and he is all over the court with blocks rebounds and assists. us getting #2 isnt so bad

Turner’s defense is aggressive, and he knows how to use his feet. I just saw him fight through a screen, stay in front of his man, pressure his man when he picked up the ball to prevent an easy pass, made a switch on another screen and blocked a pull up jumper all in one sequence. This is what the Nets need, someone that will set the tone with tough defense and will make people around him better.

We’d be foolish not to pick this kid if he’s available. He’s going to be a star on both ends of the floor. I could care less about John Wall and his manufactured hype…Lopez and Turner could become one of the best perimeter/post duos that the league has seen in a long time.

I think Turner will be able run the point in the NBA because he is a more willing distributor than players like Wade and Roy. He won’t be able to guard PG’s so he’ll need to be teamed with a smaller quick 2 like Harris or Lee.

Yeah especially the way Devin is playing right now I think we need to get this kid Turner. I’m just hoping it doesn’t turn out to be Antoine Wright again lol,but I doubt it.

Please take Yi out the game smh geez wheres Boone

Turner is the next Grant Hill (pre-injury)/Penny Hardaway (pre-injury)/Brandon Roy.

Wall is potentially the next…Rajon Rondo/Derrick Rose…OR Sebastian Telfair.

If we get #2, its a no brainer, if we get #1 we trade down to #2 and get Turner. Its likely most teams who draft #2 will have other young assets that are desirable.

Penny Hardaway is an excellent comparison.

I think worst case scenario is getting 3, and wall or turner don’t fall by some miracle. I really don’t think Cousins is someone you want to stake that much on.

Wall is taking over the game down the stretch giving Cousins uncontested dunk after uncontested dunk.

Up by 7 at the half Kiki finally took out YI, Humphries physical presence helping out. Lets go Nets

Yeah I agree with Gina 3-4 is an interesting position. Watching this Nets game Brook seems to give Perkins more problems than D-Howard, one play he just muscled through him, his footwork has gotten much better.

Turner is making his case to be a #1 pick. Gotta wait till march to see what he is made of though.
Wall seems to be overhyped but the big games will tell.

Cousins is a banger!

Who was carrying KY game? I could’t get it.
With KY loss and another 18 11 7 4 blocks 1 steal from Turner, the media will finally give Turner player of the year expectation and a toss up for 1st pick if Nets get it.

All that really counts is what Thorn thinks. I had wished KY would have won.

If Nets get #2 pick, I could see the #1 team swapping pick with Nets (for a small price), because it should be coming clear that Thorn would pick Turner.

Anyone watching the Nets game? They are leading Boston at halftime by 7. Yi is 1-7 with a tip in as only basket. What else is new? Odds of Nets winning game with 7 pt. lead should be less than 10%.

Cousins is a banger but he has no real post moves, or explosiveness or athleticism, he pretty much just overpowers smaller college front courts. How do those types of players usually translate to the NBA? He’s not going to be able to simply out muscle NBA front courts. Is that really a risk you want to take with a top 4 pick?

In the draft Nets should get Wall, Cousins (trading Yi, lee, Cdr, Williams and Boone to Minny or Washington) and Patterson + John Callipari.

HAHAHAH Nets are actually playing well Brook was such a steal playing well on both ends of the floor. Yoooo I’m sorry Yi sucks, he can’t continue to start smh.

If we get the 1st pick and Minny has the 2nd pick, do you think we should do this trade and that Minny would accept it.
Minny gets:
1st pick
Courtney Lee
Yi Jianlian
future 1st round draft pick

New Jersey Nets get:
2nd pick
Kevin Love

Nets starting lineup:
PG: Devin Harris
SG: Evan Turner
SF: Free Agent
PF: Kevin Love
C: Brook Lopez

Nets up by 13, despite Yi. Every announcer is politely pointing out Yi being the main problem.
  Imagine if DLee replaced Yi. Would be a 25 pt. lead now.

@Gina

Cousins is also a very poor defender. In the first half the Vols had a parade of layups and he just wasn’t quick enough to get to the rim. In the last couple of minutes he kept getting isolated on the perimeter and he had no chance to stay in front of his man.

There is no way he plays PF in the NBA, he is strictly a center.

Cousins=Z-Bo 2.0 (pre-Memphis)

Great scorer in the block, great rebounder, not much in terms of athleticism, questionable attitude.

I don’t understand why Yi and Hassel have 40+ combined minutes and CDR and Humphries have like 20. Why’d we even trade for Humphries if we weren’t going to give him a fair shot, when he’s playing well? And Hassel should be a buyout candidate.

Refs are cheating for Boston they give them an extra second after 24 second violation smh

@ Atronic, they don’t have to cheat for them when our coach wants to give away games, sticking with “his guys” even when they’re doing nothing.

I agree @ Gina, Boone should have been getting minutes this game 2, he plays well against their front line defensively.

Courtney Lee looks to have found a groove tho, he will be a nice peace for the future.

CDR through 3 quarters:

15 Minutes
2 Pts
0 Rebounds
1 Assist

At least he dominates in practice.

Yeah that’s why Kiki’s so frustrating, he can identify talent, like Lee and Humphries, and makes smart trades, like the vc and Kidd trade. But when he makes a mistake, like with Yi it’s like he won’t let go.

CDR just got back in after sitting a big portion, and it’s not like Trenton Hassel has been doing anything. C Lee wasn’t doing much until he started to get consistent playing time. You can’t really expect young guys who are talented but still developing to just turn it on when they’re getting sporadic playing time.

This game frustrates me we have a 10 point lead and you replace Lopez with Yi who comes in the game and gives Boston the ball back. We need defense Kiki Boone should get the nod smh

I was just about to write, Nets with 10 pt. lead.
Watch Yi blow this game again – but he beat me to it with a turnover.

Nets have chance since Lopez has only 2 fouls. Stick with Lopez and get Yi out of game (no chance).

@ Atronic, yeah they’re forwards are 14/17 right now. I feel like switching out Yi for Boone and Hassel for anyone with a pulse would at least bring it down to like a respectable 11/17 or something.

Yi is leadin us in reboundss today

Kiki took out Yi and now Nets lead up to 14.
If Yi stays out remainder, Nets could win.
Nice dunk by CDR too.

Could Kiki be lifting the CDR punishment in order to get a win??

Most of Yi’s rebounds are ones that come to him whereas Humphries go’s and fights for them, away from his area. He scraps and hits people in the lane, the think twice about sticking their nose in there.

We have a 46.5% of getting a perennial All-star. Turner averages as many assists as Wall

I was just about to say same about Hump vs. Yi. Hump has 8 boards in almost 1/2 time and has had some bad calls.

Its Kiki’s choice. Play Hump and CDR and guarantee a win or else.

Yi is leading in rebounds but he’s also played like 30 minutes.

In 17 minutes Humphries has 6 points and 7 rebounds.
In 30 Yi has 4 points in 10 rebounds.

I mean I’m clearly no NBA coach but come on, is it rocket science? Especially when you consider any opposing power forward with a post can score at will on Yi. He can probably be a useful player off the bench but trying to make him a staple/starting player isn’t helping the team or him.

Yes, playing CDR guarantees a win. Look all the games the Nets won with him as a starter…no,wait,what?

www.SitYidown.com hahahaha…..But seriously theres more energy with Hump and CDR when they know there going to be playing.

18 pt. lead down to 11 in about 50 seconds.
I think Boston is still the favorite, especially if Yi comes in or CDR goes out.

Yes, CDR is the key. He dominates in practice.

The next 3 minutes has Major significance.

13 pt. lead down to 6 in 40 seconds.

Game is lost. Team will be crushed.

i cant believe it. 6 point game.

How more crushed could this team get?

Albert is rooting for Boston.

I don’t understand it Jerry, CDR has been in and he hates to lose.

Hump comes through again.

This game is all about proving that Kiki is a 1st class JERK!!

Major implications.

If we win this game and Courtney Lee isn’t too hurt I guarantee we will not break the record

Yi cancels out CDR’s winning powers. And Trenton Hassel gives the opposing team an invisble ten point lead before the game starts.

CDR is still a winner. He doesn’t give up at end of game.
Sure CDR is only in because of CLee injury.

CDR is one of the best 2nd years players in the NBA. I know this because he tweeted it. I wonder if he will tweet why he doesn’t have a rebound in 26 minutes of play today.

The Nets are doomed, CDR is out. Hassell doesn’t dominate in practice and he likes to lose.

HAHAHAHAH Horrayyyyyyy lol……We have a future people…….

Wait Lee was injured?? (the game isn’t on here), friggin a even when we win we lose.

Did Kiki learn anything in how they won? I doubt it.

Fire Kiki

Hollah

Wait, Thorn can’t fire Kiki;
Stern and Yormarket wouldn’t allow it!

Apparently the NBA plans to expediate Jordans approval by the owners. Wtf, Prokhorov buys the nets months ago and hasn’t gotten approved. Jordan buys the team like yesterday and they’re going to try and rush his approval through?

Lee with a left ankle injury, at least he hopped off but never came back. Imagine if we had a real coach smh.

@Jerry25 says it all

@Gina:
Prokhorov can get approved whenever he asks for it.
The delay is all about Daniel Goldstein and Delay, Don’t Develop Brooklyn (DDDB).
Maybe by Monday the Condemnation Judge will issue a favorable ruling.
I’m sure NI can’t wait to to inform us the moment it happens.

NET INCOME

I just looked on nbadraft.net updated 2/23/10

it has the knicks with 2 2nd round picks #36 and #40.

explain for me how they have 1 pick now?

never mind i read it wrong. they have 2 2nd rounders in 2010.

“Tin Man Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

Penny Hardaway is an excellent comparison."

This is who Turner reminds me of the most, with better on the ball defense.

Get David Lee this summer (be sure not to over pay)

Draft Wall trade Devin (or draft Turner)

Be competitive next year with this lineup:
John Wall
OJ Mayo (via Devin Harris trade)
TWill
Lee
Brook

or

Harris
Evan Turner
TWill
Lee
Brook

Then in 2011 bring in the Durantula!

Harris
Turner
Durantula
Lee
Brook

Contenders for years to come!!

David Lee is great and all, but Zach Randolph had 31 points and 25 rebounds while Marc Gasol had 25 points 13 rebounds and 8 assists. Now he had to be guarding one of those, or at least he was supposed to

@muwu, well you have to consider 1. D’antoni teams don’t play defense 2. The rest of the knicks team is God awful defensively. It’s hard to cover your man when you’re constantly having to provide help to other players getting beat.

So why is everyone so hard on our own players when our team doesn’t play defense as well? Shouldn’t the same argument apply to Nets players too? We don’t plan on not playing defense but we don’t. So we shouldn’t be ragging on Yi and Devin or anyone else on their defense

Um, yeah, I’m not really sure.