Nets vs. Knicks - The Picks

by Net Income on Feb 27, 2010 8:19 AM EST in NetsDaily Blog

Chad Ford and John Hollinger wrote recently in their Future Power Rankings, "The Nets rate first in future draft positioning — no team is better positioned to make a splash in the draft the next few years." After the Tracy McGrady trade, the Knicks have to be at the other end of the scale. The Knicks in effect mortgaged their future. If they can use the cap space they got in that trade to sign free agents, no one would care much about the picks. They'd be in the 20's. The Rockets on the other hand are gambling the Knicks won't be successful in signing free agents and so their picks would be much better.

Here's a breakdown of the two teams' picks the next three years.

2010
Nets — First round: their own pick and the Mavs’ unprotected pick, obtained in the Jason Kidd trade. Second round: The Nets’ own pick. (To acquire Chris Quinn, cash and a second round pick in 2012, the Nets had to return something to the Heat. So they agreed to "trade" their second round pick in 2010 to Miami. But the Nets protected it, 31-50, meaning the Heat would get the pick only if the Nets finish in the top 10 this season. That's now a mathematical impossibility, guaranteeing the Nets keep the pick). Currently, Nets have a guaranteed pick in the top four--including the best chance to get the overall #1, as well as the #23 and #31 picks. The Nets have a 25% chance to get the #1 pick and a 46.5% chance of getting the #1 or #2.
Knicks — First round: none, send to Suns in the Stephon Marbury trade in 2004; rights now held by the Jazz. Second round: Knicks will exercise the Nuggets' option to swap picks with the Clippers, part of the 2008 Renaldo Balkman trade. Currently, the Knicks have the #40 pick.

2011
Nets — First round: their own pick. Second round: their own pick and the Warriors’ unprotected pick, obtained in the restructuring of the Marcus Williams trade.
Knicks — First round: their own pick as long as it’s #1. Otherwise, the Rockets have the right to swap picks. Second round: none. The Knicks sent their pick and cash to the Lakers in the 2009 Toney Douglas trade.

2012
Nets — First round: their own pick and Warriors’ pick, protected 1-7, acquired in the restructuring of the Marcus Williams trade. (Should the Warriors’ pick be in the top seven in the 2012 Draft, the Nets would get the Warriors’ pick in 2013, also protected 1-7. If the Warriors again pick in the top 7 in 2013, the Nets would then get the Warriors’ pick in the 2014 draft, this time protected 1-6. In the unlikely event that the Warriors once again picked that high, the Nets would get the Warriors’ second round picks in 2014 and 2016 instead.) Second round: their own pick plus the unprotected Heat pick acquired in the Chris Quinn trade.
Knicks — First round: their own pick as long as it’s 1-5. If not, it goes to the Rockets. Second round: their own pick.

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The team needs to load up and trade some of their future picks along with players.
Then package these picks with Yi and C.Lee to get more top picks in this year in the 2010 draft.
This is how a GM earns his money.
Trade Senario:
Keep our 2010 Draft Pick
Trade Yi Jianlian and a future #1 & #2 pick for a top five pick in the 2010 draft.
Draft: D.Cousins/PF
Trade C.Lee and future #1 & #2 pick for a top five pick in the the 2010 draft.
Draft: C.Aldrich/C
Trade our Dallas pick and our #2 pick for a top five pik in the 20100 draft.(Add another future pick if needed to make the deal)
Draft: W.Johnson/SF
With our #1 pick look into drafting J.Wall and then trading him to Minnesota for their #1 and the rights to R.Rubio.
Then trading R.Rubio rights to Sacramento for T.Evans and still draft E.Turner/SG-SF
NOW WE HAVE A VERY YOUNG & TALENTED TEAM TO GROW INTO A POWERHOUSE FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
F/A is not the quick fix for this team.
Salry cap is under control along with getting talent.
Resigning B.Lopez, C.D.Roberts, K.Humphries becomes easier while the other talent is under their rookie contracts.
Can you imagine the 2010 Nets lineup if creative smart deals are made with this draft.
Wow!
1ST UNIT:
PG/D.Harris
SG/C.D.Roberts
SF/W.Johnson
PF/D.Cousins
C/B.Lopez
2ND UNIT:
PG/K.Dooling
SG/E.Turner
SF/T.Williams
PF/K.Humphries
C/C.Aldrich
BENCH:
J.Boone

by Dziedzic on Feb 27, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions

That just leaves us with an entirely too young core group, no experienced players, and exactly where we are right now if not worse. I don’t like the idea in the least, nor do I think it makes any sense to trade John Wall. What are we accomplishing after a terrible season if we trade for rookies? We’re already a young team, we need chemistry and experience to progress. Get Wall, sign two free agents, and work from there. I agree to letting go of Yi, the guy hasnt been anything special in 4 seasons, it’s time to let go and move on. He does NOT belong in the starting lineup even on a team like this.

by Dj042 on Feb 27, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions

Hello DJ042:
What is better regarding needs and talent?
J.Wall or getting D.Cousins/E.Turner/W.Johnson/C.Aldrich
Yes we become very young but extremley talented.
Harris/Dooling become the captains.
29 and 30 are experience enough to go forward.
D.Harris/C.D.Roberts/B.Lopez/K.Humphries/K.Dooling/T.Williams you have six guys with enough experience to cover and grow with a talented group of rookies.
Talent makes up for some experience.
F/A is not the answer.
Your have to think about salary cap along with keeping pace to resign B.Lopez and C.D.Roberts in two years. Time goes by fast, so the developement of talented 2010 draft works just right into going to Brooklyn. Think the big picture.
You don’t want to wait just every year for your first round pick to develop. Get multiple picks now and build within the chemistry.
F/A is not worth the money that you have spend to get a couple of Diva’s from another team.
L.James:
Stays in Cleveland for three more years.
Goes now to L.A.Clippers to play with B.Griffin.
Goes now to New York if one other F/A comes along with T.McGrady staying.
D.Wade:
Stays in Miami if another F/A comes. Maybe Amare.
Goes now to Chicago to play next to D.Rose.
Both from Chicago.
The only F/A that makes some sense to consider based on need and some talent is D.Lee/PF.
(Only at a reasonable salary though…$8M)
So D.Lee doesn’t come to the Nets at our price then we don’t want him.

D.Cousins in the draft makes more sense?
It is not even close that D.Cousins is far mor superior player then D.Lee.
D.Cousins and C.Aldrich are NBA ready along with having heart and talent they both are nasty players. The Nets need a starting PF and Backup C.
C.Aldrich could also play PF if needed.
The best way to discribe D.Cousins is a C.Barkley whom played with heart and talent.
The difference is D.Cousin has 6 more inches in height then Mr. Barkley.
Many players have talent, however, you need heart also and that is something that you cannot teach.
Example is Yi, he has no heart and realy does not understand it.
Golden opportunity this year with the draft for the Nets.
It is time to make four trades to get this talent now and develop it with some chemistry towards victories.
The top three scorers next year in the first unit would be D.Harris/C.D.Roberts/B.Lopez with the rookies contributing while they get experience.
Rod Thorn did a great job changing this team in 2 short years of 14 out of 15 players.
Now we are in this positon with young talent and draft picks.
There is no reason to stop now and blow it by getting into
F/A with high salaries that have not won were they play at now.
If we get some of these draft picks now and in 2 years it develops we can then look at F/A for that one piece that might be needed to get to the championship.
However, based on the draft this year along with our current young core I don’t think we will need it.

If my prediction holds right.
L.James will sign and stay in Cleveland for three more years and then will only be 28 and will sign then with the Brooklyn Nets.
Wow!
New arena, young talented team developed and together for three years ready to go.
What the Nets need to address is the long term coaching needs.
C.Laettner is my choice if he is interested because like P.Jackson he was a role player for 11 years in the NBA & understands the big picture about winning.
The best of both worlds Coach K pupil along with having Coach K giving him advise as he goes along. The best of both worlds.
During training camp bring in B.Russell & Kareem Abdul Jabbar to speak and work with our bigs. Thats coaching.
That is the big picture.

by Dziedzic on Feb 27, 2010 12:02 PM EST reply actions

you actually think it would be possible to end up with 4 of the top 5 picks in one draft?? that would never happen….none of the trades you suggested would work any team would laugh in the nets faces after receiving those offers….and then on top of that ya sure lets just bring in bill russell and kareem to teach our bigs its not that easy those guys wouldn’t do that for the nets….we have 10 picks in the next 3 years that is more than enough young talent to come in what we need is some veteran star quality players which we can acquire using all of that money in free agency or even in trades plus we need an established NBA coach who preaches defense and toughness because if you can play defense in this league your gonna be a good team

by bdon on Feb 27, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions

Cousins is a sick player, but we’ve totally struck out on guys that have horrible attitude problems (Marcus and Sean Williams). Cousins can’t seem to harness that aggression on the court YET, but it’s a huge gamble to pick him to turn around a franchise with so many question marks. I’m so anxious for the draft lottery, we need that #1 or 2 pick please!!

by smp369 on Feb 27, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions