Hayes Out, So CDR Gets Another Shot

We play better when Hassell plays…

I think I’ve seen this movie before. LOL

Why CDR is not allowed to play through mistakes when Yi “the butter-finger” Jianlian is allowed to play through them. Preferential treatment, one is Kiki’s baby and other is just a second rounder.

The 4th quarter numbers that Al posted in his story are just absurd. That’s all on Kiki for letting the players just play without any direction

Please send that 4th Q Brook’s shot list to Devin and other PGs in the team. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Let me reproduce it (courtesy of Al):

Vs. Memphis: 1-for-2; 2 points
Vs. Toronto: 2-for-3; 4 points
Vs. Miami: 1-for-4; 4 points
At Charlotte: 1-for-2; 2 points
Vs. Bucks: 0-for-0; 0 points
At Cleveland: 3-for-3; 11 points
At Detroit: 0-for-1: 0 points
At Boston: 1-for-2; 2 points
At Toronto: 1-for-2; 2 points
Vs. Detroit 2-for-4; 5 points

I would love to see CDR play well and get the game winning shot. I would love it even more if in the post game interview he thanked his teammates and smiled a real smile.

Maybe he and Kiki could hug and make up at center court.

Life is very short, especially an athletes. Might as well enjoy it while you can.

Lets go CDR. Lets go Nets…

We’re committed to development…so we’re starting a 31 year old career back up over a 23 year old who’s shown the ability to score…makes perfect sense.

Why would Hassell start over Boone? With Yi supposedly playing the 4, we already have no rebounding or inside muscle, why not let a guy play that can actually provide some of that? This is maddening already!!!!

@Gina,

This Kiki experiment has killed the youth development. Don’t see anybody developing except Brook (that has nothing to do with Kiki).

@Isaac,

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I would cry laughing if Kiki decided to dust of Bobby Simmons instead of CDR….1 thing I dislike about Kiki is in his postgame interviews and whenever he speaks, he acts like he isn’t the coach. Like tonight we didn’t do this I felt we should have been doing this blah blah blah. You know what say something and do something, run a play, coach for once, when players are playing well LEAVE THEM IN, outside of Lopez and Harris aour starters arn’t really better than our backups. That is all 4 now

People need to get over the whole starting thing. Jason Terry comes off the bench, Manu Ginobili comes off the bench, Jamal Crawford comes off the bench, JR Smith comes off the bench, Al Harrington comes off the bench, Carl Landry came off the bench in Houston. Is starting supposed to mean you’re gonna be playing the bulk of the minutes? No

It really doesn’t matter who starts. CDR should get plenty of time out there. I just want to see this team play hard for 48 minutes. Well… maybe 40 minutes…

And lets feed Lopez the ball in the second half. Lets see if he can handle being the go to guy when the game is on the line.

And if Yi is hurting, sit him. Don’t want to damage one of our “core” players any futher. Yi might need a rest after playing basketball year round.

Lets get win #6 tonight…

@ Issac

I would replace Boone or Humphries with Yi and then that lineup would work. But putting Boone in and movie Yi to the 3? That wouldn’t work with a young, fast, athletic team like the Blazers.

Agreed with Gina. Hassell is a buy out candidate. CDR should be a piece of the future. Makes no sense that he has not been in the rotation and then is not starting in this situation….Nothing makes sense in Nets land though.

Also notice the comments on Twitter from TWill. He sees himself as a PG in this league, and not a wing player. Exactly what I have been arguing all year long. And interesting that he chooses CDR over Lee to be on the floor….

I actually like Hassell. Not like we couldn’t use good defensive players on this team. Plus, I think we’ve had enough youth movement immaturity issues for now. I’d like me some veteran professionalism please

On another bright note……the Mavs are going to sign Dwayne Jones to a 10 day contract. Auditioning a rebounding big is clearly not something the Nets should have considered doing…..Will this season ever come to an end so we can start really thinking about the draft?

Nooo, we should’ve bought someone out earlier. Darn. Dwayne Jones was probably the best big we could have tried out

@Ryan243;

If T-Will envisions himself as a future PG, leader of the team, he should not be picking favorite players he wants on the court with him. C. Lee is a teammate of his, who has the starting job at SG. If CDR wants it, let him take it, if he can.

We’re not signing a big cuz the Nets like Yi. What that really means is we want to lose until a new owner cares about winning. Maybe next year.

Mike – I’m not sure that any positions or rotation spots with the 2010 Nets are truly up for grabs. I think that disappeared with the firing of LFrank…..

@Mike,

Maybe people are misinterpreting his tweets. He might be thinking of the second unit. Just saying…..

With the Nets is not always who is better that plays but who is more connected. Lee and Yi are Kiki’s boys. If your not with the program or much better than those two talent wise, you can forget about playing over them.

This whole conspiracy thing is absolutely insane now. Just like how Frank had a vendetta against Sean Williams huh? Maybe, Lee gets playing time because he’s actually interested in playing defense. And if Kiki liked Yi so much, why would he yank him from the game before when he was screwing up? You realize you will find no implications of any of what you say anywhere other than in the comments here right? But hey, maybe Kiki will put our envelope in the freezer before the draft lottery.

Let’s see how many touches and minutes cdr gets and yes I believe as long as kiki is here lee and yi will be starting cause those are his boys they can never do no wrong.

muwu, I understand you don’t like CDR, but defending Kiki is just unfathomable at this point. This has become a joke, and I don’t see how you can compare the situations of Terry, Crawford, and Smith to this.

anyway, I agree with what Al said 100%:

“But if this is a developmental year, Douglas-Roberts is a guy who should be playing, especially when you consider he was starting at one point this season and was the Nets’ leading scorer for a stretch, playing out of position and playing heavy minutes.”

Exactly. People can try to spin this anyway they want, but this has nothing to do with basketball or developing young players. CDR’s minutes got cut the moment he opened his mouth about the Del Harris situation after he and T-Will were tossed under the bus in that Yahoo! article and he’s been glued to the bench since.

On another note, the numbers posted about Brook’s 4th qtr numbers are appalling. It’s an absolute embarrassment.

How come we all like to attack the weak links on this team.

Yi and C. Lee are not the stars of this team. Lopez and Harris are the stars. Sometimes they play very well and sometimes they don’t. Real stars play very well most of the time. When Lopez and Harris start plying well most of the time then maybe we can blame Yi and Lee for the Nets poor play.

Fans of CDR and T-Will see the talent but they don’t see what management, coaches and teammates see.

I can’t believe that Kiki would deliberately lose games because he personally dislikes CDR or T-Will.

It sounds like he trying to teach CDR and T-Will how to behave as an NBA player. Remember he drafted both of them.

Kiki was put in a bad spot and to blame him for his lack of coaching skills is fair game, but to attack him for this mess of a season is not fair or right.

Under the circumstances I think he has handled himself as well as he or anybody else could in the same situation.

Lets go Kiki, Lets go CDR, Lets go Nets…

If CDR gets time tonight, he needs to be aggressive defensively first and foremost, and when the opportunity comes on offense, be his old aggressive self w/o forcing the issue or taking bad shots, which he excelled at until this moron was tossed down from the GM’s office. Make Kiki look like a fool by your actions on the court, and nothing else will need to be said.

My point with the starting thing is not with the player situations, it’s the assumption that whoever starts plays the most minutes or finishes the game or what. I mentioned all those guys who play more minutes than the guys who start ahead of them. Just because a player starts doesn’t mean he’ll play more.

On Brook’s touches, maybe it’s partly because of teams adjusting their gameplan after halftime and us being the inept team that we are, being unable to adjust to their adjustment for Brook

Hassell is a nice guy-very professional-but this team is too inept offensively for him to be out there for more than a couple of minutes..
What the heck-why not give Twill more PT?

I thought Hayes’ shooting would get this team going. I was wrong. Why can’t anyone on this team shoot? As for Brook, of course he can’t score in the 4Q. The defense knows that he is the only one who can beat them so they focus on stopping him. Nets need another threat who can space the floor. I blame Thorn.

Once again it amazes me, I dont believe what I am about to say, Why did Kiki fire FRANK if KIKI was going to coach the same way he does? What happened to developing young players. Hassel?? Why isnt Twill starting? What a waste of time!!!!!

KIKI – YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!

@MuWu – You also forgot Gordon in Chicago and Detroit.

“It sounds like he trying to teach CDR and T-Will how to behave as an NBA player. Remember he drafted both of them.”

It’s hilarious to think that a man who undermined the previous head coach, allegedly planting the seeds of dissent, and went behind Rod Thorn’s back(Del Harris fiasco) would be able to teach those two kids about being professionals. The entire environment reeks of unprofessional behavior and a lack of overall class.

@Mr. Dollar Bills: “The entire environment reeks of unprofessional behavior and a lack of overall class.”

From your lips to Proky’s ears.

^ Cheers Mr. Bills

Kiki I feel isn’t stupid of his overall situation. I think he knows he has a foot out the door, and now is just clowning our team in spite. I really was hoping for good when he took the coaching job, but now it’s just a joke. Hard to have season tickets when you don’t go to games, but that’s my plight i guess.

Frank got fired because most coaches who go 0-16 to start the season will most likely get fired.

As for going behind Thorns back, Del Harris who is a respected NBA elder, also was involved. At least they were trying to do something constructive.

Thorn is the head of this basketball operation and he should be held accountable. Why doesn’t he fire Kiki? Maybe Proky will keep Kiki around.

This season has been the “perfect storm” and that storm has nearly destroyed the whole organization.

Everybody can share the blame. Everybody…

@ Tony
You forgot to mention all loses even though we all Knew that.

If CDR gets PT and isn’t frozen out of the offense, I don’t think he’s forgotten how to play basketball; while I agree that points made about him to go all out are valid.

I’m encouraged that the coach SAID players have to contribute to stay in games. That should help the Nets’ game outcomes, since I feel non-performing players sabotage the chance to win. Nor do they help Brook’s 4th quarter touches.

It’s cognac for me tonite and I hope it’s to salute a WIN (or at least a damn good fight).

@Jeff;

 I agree with you on the cognac and the win, or going down with a fight. Hope your guy CDR plays well. We need this team to come together, all of them…

@ Mike

I’ll toast you on that.

No more Dywane Jones (Signed with Dallas)on the list of pick ups that leaves Alexander Johnson and Rahad Mccants. And Nets are not going to get either.

A mcbubba: “Hassell is a nice guy-very professional-but…What the heck-why not give Twill more PT?”

That’s it exaclty! Hassel is a nice guy and what SOME call professional — those qualities are in the eyes of the beholders — so when kids go against the grain and don’t fit a certain “image” they are blackballed. Period.

@ SIC & Mr. Dollar Bills – I agree 100% whatever that’s worth:-)

CDR should be playing, and he will prove tonight why

How about..

Kiki’s Out……for GOOD!

Because he got FIRED????

Hollah!!!

“Just like how Frank had a vendetta against Sean Williams huh”
No he just liked going small.

“Maybe, Lee gets playing time because he’s actually interested in playing defense.”
Maybe he’s interested but he doesn’t accomplished anything.

“And if Kiki liked Yi so much, why would he yank him from the game before when he was screwing up”
If Yi was yanked before screwing up, he wouldn’t touch the court. LOL.

Start TWILL not Hassell wtf

Isn’t it funny how CDR played a FULL season under L.Frank and we never heard the term “bad attitude” “cancer”..isn’t it strange that 2months under Kiwi, CDR is the ultimate malcontent? Isn’t it funny Kiwi said “u have 2 contribute just 2 stay in”? Is that so, I’ve seen CDR score 9pts in 3mins..and STILL be subbed first…isn’t it funny how Yi or Jarvis can “contribute” by shooting 2-10 and 2-13 yet STAY in games? Isn’t it fishy that Kiwi is starting Hassel over CDR? And you actually don’t think CDR’s being caught up in something deeper than Kiwi will admit…this is ashame 2 watch…Kiwi is a sneaky,vengeful,spiteful, weasel, the truth will come out sooner than later

@The GM

It’s fishy alright, this whole thing. And what exactly is this “internal matter”? One team official called it a “missed practice” while another called it a “late to practice”? And CDR claims he knows nothing about it. Am I seeing things properly?

Why is Hassell starting? Why are people still defending Kiki? My god I sound like a broken record repeating the same thing over and over again. LISTEN people CD-R nor any of our players are to blame for this record. It’s all Kiki’s fault!

Kiki’s Fault!
Kiki’s Fault!
Kiki’s Fault!
Blame It On Kiki!
Blame It On Kiki!
Blame It On Kiki!

I Hate Kiki!

@The Gm and @Antoine

Both make great points that’s why he needs to go……..

I Hate Kiki!

@Antoine yes you’re seein it clearly..fishy is an understatement..isn’t it fishy how CDR has been punished for “some internal matter” he has NO idea about…he’s the scapegoat at the same time…just like CDR was the reason 4 Del leaving right? Until the REAL reason surfaced..once again, Sneaky was behind it all…if a player has fallen out of favor so fast and for NO reason?? It sure looks strange that this young kid is being targeted everyday..CDR keeps NetsDaily going, each biased article from “sources”..never any names…watching the Nets and this “internal matter” with CDR unfold has been…..on the other hand, EVERY other player gets a free pass, no matter how they perform..

Kiki said “you’ve got to play well, contribute just to stay in”
Sooooo ummmmm Kiki… What’s Yi’s excuse for this ENTIRE season huh?

I Hate Kiki! With A Passion!

I think Hassell starting is stupid when CDR or T Will should be in the lineup. But I will be under the asumption that CDR will get near starter minutes tonight. If Hassell plays starter minutes then Ki Ki is being spiteful.

Here’s 2 the Nets getting win #6…they need it for the team’s sake..so many young players, they need some confidence boosting..so many games they’ve been competetive only to come up short…LETS GO NETS!

Why isn’t CDR starting? CDR has a future, somewhere. He should be starting if HAYES is injured. Why play Trenton Hassell? We need a real head coach. Please PROKY, get confirmed and take charge of this mess.

I wish I could stop watching but for some reason I can’t…

Why do I still watch these games?

ALL those pointing to kiki being spiteful and a conspiracy going on are 100% correct. A coach puts winning players on the floor no matter what their attitude is. Artest, rasheed, stephen jackson, kenyon martin.

Cdr should be starting over LEE and hayes. hayes has no offensive moves towards the rim at all. his game has regressed.

don’t know if it’s a good thing or a bad thing. I thought it was a good thing by being passionate about losing,’’ said Douglas-Roberts, who got a call from Jerry Stackhouse.

“(He said) basically keep on doing what you’re doing. Your personality is a good thing and it will be a good thing: It will keep you around.’’

I agree with stack, real coaches love players that HATE to lose. that is contagious.

I Hate Kiki!

Oh good… Devin’s added a shooting sleeve… Here’s to hoping he doesn’t go 3-20 “getting used to it”.

Although L Frank was bad developing young players, Kiki is actually terrible, not to mention how Bad he is tacticaly, he is responsible for blowing the lead in many games.

L Frank developed:

Richard Jefferson
Jason Collins
Brian Scalabrine
Nenad Krstic (his most amazing feat)
Devin Harris
Ryan Anderson
Brook “da Bright Spot” Lopez

Don’t blame Frank for not developing guys who sucked who were put on his team cuz of Thornski. Charles Barkley said even Gatorade won’t work for those guys.

Jason Collins and Scalabrine both sucked, if anything Frank kept playing Collins when better young players, namely Boone, were sitting on the bench. Even when we had no chance of making the play-offs and were competing for absolutely nothing he would refuse to give young players playing time and instead continued to give minutes to retread veterans. And how did he develop Harris, Lopez or Anderson? Harris was already pretty much developed and Lopez was NBA ready out of college and Anderson hasn’t done anything. Jefferson was pretty much already developed by the time Frank took over too, it was his 4th year in the NBA, and Kristic didn’t really change in his 3 years under Frank, before his knee injury.

To Gina, thank you, well put.

I agree with you Gina, except that Collins, when he was at the top of his game, was a solid defensive roleplayer for the team. Frank’s flaw was that he was too loyal to Collins to the point where he couldn’t see that Jason’s defensive skills had deteriorated, and had become a major liability on the floor.

CDR/Twill both didnt play much, 12 and 4 respectively. Hassell meanwhile could not contain Roy at all…there were instances where Roy simply put a little move on Hassell and ended up a mile ahead of him, creating all too easy shots for himself and teammates. TWill would’ve done a much better job defensively on Roy, dont know what KiKi was thinking.

You know, sometimes players (not children but very well paid young men) have a lot to do with their own lack of development. These are not 10 year olds.

Coaching is obvioulsy important for NBA success. But it pales in comparison to need for actual hard working competetive NBA talent.

Players have to buy in and pay hard even more than they need to be coached. It really is about dedication and desire to winninng on the court. Stratgy is imprtant – but they have to want it. Not easy when you’re getting millions.

Jay Williams said as much on the radio the other day. In the NBA, the players rule the roost from day 1. Even Phil Jackson has to partner with Kobe and MJ (cut throat winners). This is not the NCAA where a guy like Calipari is the money man big shot who can scream at players.

In the NBA you need dedicated youngish veterans who are committed to winning and playing defense. These guys usually start out this way in the league. A few others develop that way under the watch of those players more than a coach (somehow great coaches always have those great players and team leaders..hmmmm)

This is what “develops” young players more than NBA coaches to me. Without those rare vets leading the way, you get spurts of good play for a few minutes, and 52 losses out of 57 games, even if people who know basketball are “coaching”. Don’t kid yourselves: Frank, Kiki, Del Harris, the assts, all know the x’s and o’s, they can’t get certain players (almost the whole Nets team) to give an F though. Defense is a lot about effort, just like working to improve your shot, moving without the ball, it goes on and on.

@ Oh Reeeeaalllllyy??? “Players have to buy in and pay hard even more than they need to be coached.”

The Nets organization has been a joke and a disaster for a while even though it seems like things just started falling apart within the last year or so. That’s only because people have started to see through all the spin and inuendo that “the media,” pumps out. These are folks who wouldn’t have jobs if the NBA’s biases and politics were revealed – and if they told the truth about what REALLY goes on behind the scenes and didn’t always tote the company line.

Frank was not a great coach, but KiKi is a horrible coach – probably why that’s not the job he signed up for.

Would you, as a young, hungry, inexperienced new worker “buy-in” to an organization like this? Give me a break and stop blaming the players.

If Proky has any sense….he will not take the reins of this horse until AFTER the season….I would not want this mess on my record…leave it for Ratner and start new next season.

The Nets orgainization needs to clean house from the janitors to the GM…leave no stone unturned. What a cluster. This is aabove all else a business. WHen we on our jobs do not perform, we are shown the door…show KiKi, Rod, and Jim the trashman all the damn door and find some folks that want to win, are loyal and has no favorites…

This is a garbage smelly hot mess…and it starts from the top…if you start ridding yourself of the dead weight now you might be able to attract a quality FA.