As Amar'e Trade Rumors Increase, Vecsey Says Not So Fast

Can’t argue with that logic, though the Nets need a legit PF to ride shotgun with Brook at some point. Even if it’s a grinder/rebounding guy who can pop out for a 12-15 footer on occasion. Yi is not a long-term solution unless he learns how to defend people.

It’s Peter Vescey he makes up stories.

agreed, Amare would not be the type of P/F we need, we need a moose who can rebound, guard and post up. Amare reminds me a lot of Kmart in that he’s exciting to watch, can put up nice numbers, but fundamentally is not a complete player. Yet he would still of course require a max deal, that + knee surgery=no way.

Thank goodness they have some sense in them. There is a God

@Mark

I think the grinder/rebounder option is the best option on the type of guy to put beside Brook. Ben Wallace circa 2005 type guy, preferably with some range as well

I certainly can’t and I found it interesting that the Nets have been aggressive in denying their interest.

Yi’s rebounding rate is better than Ama’re…and neither is going to challenge Bill Russell, even at 75.

We will end up like Detroid …. i would pay Amare max beter than Rudy Gay or JJ its no brainer u can alwyas finr wing players or sf but never a PF who can really score and get tripled like Amare does …. and the best part is HE wants to play for us so why not …. Hope Proky will do it … i just have that bed feeling we will really end up paying 3 lever stars like those two that i mentioned ..

we should trade harris to minnesota or detroit 4 their 1st round pick. so we can get wall n favors.
wall
twill
lbj or gay or favors
favors or lee
brook

@universal
Peter Vecsey was dead-on right about the Gilbert Arenas story, from the beginning. he didn’t make that up.

Ok ok. Yi is the only one who can’t defense nor rebound out of the entire Nets team. As soon as Yi is gone; the Nets will become an all star level defensive team. Happy now?

Nets need a vet and PF

so why not pay the man?

@Tore

Yeah we’ll end up like detroit. If we go ahead and sign amare. They spent near 100 million on Ben Gordon and Charlie V and have nothing to show for it. You don’t give non-superstars 50+ million dollar deals! And I can’t remember the last time Amare was double teamed much less triple teamed

DeJaun Blair would have been nice…..He looks pretty good next to Duncan….

“Peter Vecsey was dead-on right about the Gilbert Arenas story”

@NI – what??? Vescey got almost everything wrong about the story. Heck, Vescey had the two guys pulling guns on each other! Basically, the only three correct words in Vecsey’s story were Arenas, Crittendon, and guns – everything else was wrong.

Re the Amare story – it would be ironic indeed if the Nets, after passing on guys like Granger and Blair for non-existent knee problems, take Amare and pay him $100 million now.

I don’t think Thorn is really going after Amare. Not a Thorn thing to do.

make the trade. we need this make things happen. amare wall and lebron with calipari as the coach. evan roberts conspiracy theory. I love it!!!

basically with the draft, they should just take the best player from the best team….Blair was an animal…Granted that would have meant Sean May, who didn’t turn out so hot, but still stop with the best potential and pick the best player!

@tu Veja

If we dont make big deal now we dont get LBJ or wade or Bosh and rody gay is just a god player not a star on my opinion … same for JJohnson … D Lee is weak and cant defent at all …. so lets forget about LJ if he leaves Clevland Knicks land him 100% bc they have beter team right now …. we have only two guys who are good not great BL and CH you may put there in mix TWill even that he needs time and a lot of work from coaches…

“Yi is not a long-term solution unless he learns how to defend people.”

…and acquiring amare is the way to solve the defense problem… LOL!!!

You have to factor in that Brook Lopez is a guy we’re gonna have to give an extension to next year. He’ll be a 50-60 million dollar guy. And we have a high draft pick coming up. What if we get a guy who will be worth a big extension as well? These young guys may be cheap now, but not for long. You have to factor that in, they’re also why two max free agents are unrealistic for us.

Paying Amare might seem harmless now, but you’ll have a huge salary on your books for 5-6 long years. Signing Amare to a max deal won’t hurt us the first year, but it sure will once our cap space gets used up. Everyone here will be moaning as to why we made the rash decision to do this just because we were desperate once we have no flexibility to improve ourselves.

We’ll follow the knicks footsteps as a new york team with a huge payroll and not a championship to show for it

Regarding the trade for Amare, I know I was kind of for it at the beginning… but after taking some time to think about it, I really hope that we don’t make the trade. The reason why I wanted Amare was to use him to attract FA’s during the offseason, but when I think about how he’s asking for a max contract, it makes my face grimace.

If Amare fails to attract FA’s we’ll be stuck with his horrible contract. I agree with people who say Amare’s best days are behind him, because he no longer plays the same way as he once did. I think we would be better off signing someone else who is as productive and at a cheaper price.

@A.S.
He was dead on right. He broke it. Go back to his original story…and then read the crap that was written afterwards. How Crittendon loaded a clip into his gun. Never happened. He may be a horse’s azz, but he isn’t making up an email.

One thing people are forgetting. The current CBA ends after next season. The new CBA, after the lockout or strike, will have a lot shorter contracts, less money. You can bank on it. Signing players (other than LeBron and Wade—and maybe Bosh) to max deals will not be smart. Also, unfortunately, the ultimate effect of a CBA with a harder cap is that rich owners won’t have the advantage they have under this one.

Amare does not even come close to a player that would deserve a max contract. If the Nets go for him I will stop giving them my money. I can take the rebuilding but Amare is not somebody you rebuild around- he relies so much on his athleticism and his best, most athletic, years are over.

@johnfried doesn’t blair foul guys all the time? i wouldn’t say there’s solid defense there. still he’s young and can learn. i was hoping thompson would learn by now but he hasn’t.

Good news!

Vecsey is not going to make up an email. Thorn is not going after Amare. I think Thorn would really like Bosh. Iguodala is another possibility that makes sense. John Wall is a no-brainer, but short of that, a play for Rubio is do-able. I would not be unhappy with Rubio.

I like Amare but not enough to give him a max contract. Signing Amare to a max contract would be a bad idea in my opinion, unless it directly led us to be able to sign Lebron or Wade…if the new CBA actually does create a hard cap as NI says, then we would be locking ourselves in to a team that revolved around Amare’s health and productivity over the next 6 seasons. Its too much of a risk and Amare has weaknesses in his game as it is.

How about Chuck Hayes at PF next to Lopez?

Maybe the leaked e-mail is a way of getting the Suns and Amares asking price down.

Use Vecsey as a go between. I personally don’t think it’s a good move, but the Nets management might.

I don’t think the sticking point is what the Suns are asking the Nets for Amare, its what Amare is asking the Nets for in terms of a contract extension, should the deal be made.

As of now, Amare is a better player than Yi. Butfirst, he is not here and may never come. Second, if he does, there is a much stiffer price to pay. And last but not the least, he is certainly no upgrade in defense. He has enough years in the NBA and he hasn’t shown much on the defensive end. Yi, Brook and Hump may learn to be better at defense if there is a good defensive coach.

molskin:

Do you even give money to the Nets right now? (the fraction of your cable bill doesn’t count, since it cannot be selectively canceled)

When you buy tickets, do you buy straight from the Nets (giving them your money) or from a third party vendor, like Stubhub (giving the vendor the money… Nets already got paid before… it’s simple economics)?

Do you buy Nets jerseys? Do you buy their concessions? Etc…

unfortunate season ticket holder

I been hearing for years that Phoenix doesn’t play defense. Is this because of Amare or is it just their style of play?

To win a championship you almost always need a stud player. There are only a handful in the game. Shaq, Duncan and KG are past it. Even Kobe may be running out of years (or minutes on his NBA odometer). That leaves you with Wade, LeBron, Melo, Durant, Roy, CP3 and Howard by my count – or you get lucky in the draft and that is a crap shoot both in terms of draft order and picking the right guy.

Given all the pain the NETS have self inflicted (with no immediate end it sigth) to get into a position to bring in a stud, why would we not hold out until every possible option to get a stud is exhausted? This is a once in a few decades chance if you consider the confluence of cap space, draft position, followed by hopefully draft luck, team attraction to free agents, availability of free agents, wealth of owner, right coach (or opening for coach in our case) that has to occur to make it happen. We have a legitimate shot at LeBron (2010 or 2011) and Melo (2011), a top draft pick (2010 and maybe 2011 if we endup in a holding pattern) and maybe enough assets to steal a stud if the labor issues and the economy forces an owner to blow his team up in the next two years. More than enough chances to hold the course.

Think championship. We can always fall back on overpaying second and third tier stars to become the Dallas Mavericks of the East – good but never great. Leave Amare at the curb.

@A.S

How did we pass on Blair? By not using a top 10 pick for him?

Yeah, if we only had Blair. LMAO

@ Net Income universal. I wouldn’t rate Vescey as a person but he is a well connected guy.

Amar’e is the man

Yi as support unit

:D :D :D :D Nets suck!!!

If the Nets cannot add the LeBron Bosh combo, which seems unlikely at this point, I think they go hard after T. Thomas. They have tried to trade for him multiple times and he could fill the role the Nets need – rebounder, run the floor, defend, could also play 3 next to Yi. If the Nets don’t win the lottery, they still have a good combo at PG with Harris and possibly T. Williams (who I like a lot), add Turner to the mix and wait it out till next year for Carmelo and you have the makings.

2010-2011

PG Harris/ Williams / veteran – Dooling
SG Turner / Lee
SF CDR/ Hayes / draft pick (D. James)
PF Yi and Thomas
C Lopez / draft pick / veteran free agent

that’s a worse case scenario and it doesn’t look so bad except we have another year of speculation for Carmelo.

I’m tired of speculation.

@gsloots;

 Might as well have “twiddle dee and twiddle dum” as your points guards. Harris + T-Will. LMAO

@rightclue

I wouldn’t have said it if I didn’t. I go to handful of games a year and spend more than I probably should on jerseys, concessions, etc. Driving from Rochester doesn’t make make me less of a fan. How many fans drive five and a half hours to and from to see their team?

I will stop going though if the nets brass spend max money on someone who is on the downslope of his career.

bosh would be amazing and to be honest id even take nowitzki, amare scares me, we need shooters, team cant shoot, no one spreads the court

Kentucky’s DeMarcus Cousins is a bruiser, big as a battleship, 6-11, 280 lbs, 19 yrs old. 2 for 1, Wall & Cousins?

No to cousins. He has talent but his attitude is a no-no. There are enough bad attitude guys in this team already

gett chuck hayes or milsap then please

Not for nothing, we need a guy just like Kenyon Martin! He is a beast, aggressive around the rim and defending his opponent. Too bad he is over paid, but, that is the type of player we need at the 4. AND we have needed since he left! I don’t think Amare is the same as Kenyon. Amare is more of a scorer and thats it. Kenyon does all the little things that a winning team needs. Kenyon, however, can’t be the focal point of the offense. I would not give a max deal to Amare.

No to amare

Good luck if you guys think someone is signing with us this year. The fo will be the worst fo in history if it signs Gay to a Max contract. Proky needs to take over now.

The kid in me likes the frosted side (signing Amare to an extension) but the adult in me likes the wheat side (no. He’s not worth a max deal and how long will those MF’d knees last?)

The guy would fit in alongside Brook perfect. Lopez could do all the dirty work and Amare could intimidate people and provide some guts and attitude to our team. BUT. He plays purely off his athletic ability and seems ignorant of or not willing to improve his rebounding, shot blocking, passing, etc. Im not super worried about the knees because how long ago was Kids MF surgery and his knees still work and it looks like the surgery worked well for him because when was the last time he was on the DL?