Mannix: "Horrible" Attitude May Push Nets to Buy Out CDR

Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix, in assessing each team's trade possibilities, says the Nets have only one "untouchable" in Brook Lopez and adds, "The Nets will strongly consider buying out (Chris) Douglas-Roberts, whose attitude has been described as 'horrible,' if he is not dealt before the deadline." CDR, who makes $736,000 this year, has a team option come June 30. Memphis has reported interest in him.
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haha cdr bye bye. i think courtney lee is actually playing alot better making his shot and even attacking hoop. bye cdr
by matt on Feb 11, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions
Not hearing a lot of good things about cdr. He seems like a me first player. He’s can score and with the right mindset could be an asset. But he’s not the type of player that you should be spending this much time talking about. He’s a 7th or 8th man at best..
by supreme on Feb 11, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions
Beyond pathetic if they can’t get at least a 2nd rd pick for CDR. Thorn is one washed up exec. Another Mili Illic situation
by tom on Feb 11, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions
absurd…. here’s a guy who makes less than a million, is capable of putting up 30 points in a game, and we’re going to BUY HIM OUT????
haven’t these knuckleheads explored the idea of TRADING him? Memphis wants him…… and he’s worth their first round pick……. this is not rocket science, people!
This organization, and I include Thorn, has reached a point of almost total dysfunction. I hope Prokhorov fires each and every one of the so-called “brain trust”…. most pathetic thing I’ve ever witnessed.
by oligarch on Feb 11, 2010 10:30 PM EST reply actions
Any member of the Nets with a ‘horrible attitude’ is one of the few with his eyes open. Let’s trade CDR to a team in our division so they can keep beating us for the next 10 years.
by calling all toasters on Feb 11, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions
lee and cdr could never work together and have success.
the nets chose lee in the end so he will probably get a huge push when cdr leaves.
i like cdr, but there is no reason to keep him if he’s not playing any minutes.
hopefully with this, courtney lee will have more time and more of an opportunity to become the player that he was thought to become during the vince carter trade.
by njd on Feb 11, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions
I think my criticism of his professionalism has been fair, but by no means does he deserve this kind of treatment.
by GMJigga on Feb 11, 2010 10:39 PM EST reply actions
Buying out CDR would be by far the most embarassing move the Nets could ever make. If they did something like that, wow. That would be soooo messed up. Wow. Same thing with Boone. That kid was doing the dirty work earlier this season. I’d be totally happy with Harris Lee CDR Boone Lopez as our starting five right now. Yi is a disgrace, and humphries cant get along with lopez. Tony Battie? Trade value? ok w.e. Once we get rid of Battie i really hope boone gets some PT. he cant hit a foul shot but hes better than anyone else on the team at doing dirty work. and unlike humphries, he knows better not to get the ball at the 3 point line, and do a series of 6-6 swingman moves to try to get to the basket. HUMPHRIES. u cant handle the ball. stop trying to make believe youre CDR youre not.
anyway dont buy out CDR. his attitude will change once we start winning (next season). he can be a spectacular bench player. do any of you remember how good he was? i guess not. a 2nd rounder for CDR? no way. wouldnt do it. CDR for 3 memphis scrubs that will be bought out? no. come on. give me a break huh?
by Jim on Feb 11, 2010 10:40 PM EST reply actions
@ njd – I have been saying that ever since the trade.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 11, 2010 10:40 PM EST reply actions
We’re not gonna get much trade value for CDR… we should trade our most valuable asset for a 3 player deal like Amare and 2 other players for Sly the Fox.
by DISGRUNTLEDFAN on Feb 11, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions
Do it Kiki, so you can further increase your chances of unemployment next season!
by Antoine on Feb 11, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions
I refuse to believe this guy is a problem.
He is a solid basketball player with good knowledge of the game. He wont have to go to china to get a job.
by djheavyduty on Feb 11, 2010 10:46 PM EST reply actions
I’m sorry but this is over the top. Can someone please enlighten me and tell me what he has done to warrant this? He has the potential to be a very good player and the Nets need all of the help they can get. PLEASE don’t throw him away for nothing!!!
by KFranchise on Feb 11, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions
@Danny
Yeah, but Mannix is a pretty good reporter…and it’s quite an extraordinary statement to make without having solid sourcing.
by Net Income on Feb 11, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Wow pretty heavy stuff. I wonder what has cdr done? Seems like we are missing something here…
by Claud on Feb 11, 2010 10:55 PM EST reply actions
Isn’t Mannix the same guy who thought we should trade our top pick for Amare? I just think CDR has problems with Kiki, not Thorn and that is why I think he’s staying at least to the end of the season unless it’s in a trade.
by Danny on Feb 11, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
if he really has a horrible attitude then why buy him out? that will just give cdr what he wants. either trade him for at least a 2nd rd pick or the rights to a FA playing overseas or ask him to stay away from the team…it’s not like we are contending for a playoff slot so we have no need of a replacement…
by jirohkanzaki on Feb 11, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
so mannix wants the nets to trade the 1st pick for amare and now wants us to buy out cdr…what kind of idiot is this guy?
by jirohkanzaki on Feb 11, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions
ima be pissed if he ends up with another team droppin 20 plus
imagine that ? lmao that would be f’d up
by BrS1 on Feb 11, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions
@Danny
One was an opinion, the other a report.
by Net Income on Feb 11, 2010 11:03 PM EST reply actions
This is BS. Chris Mannix is a idiot and has nothing else to write.
by rknine on Feb 11, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions
@ netincome I could tell you want cdr out of here.
by 1milord on Feb 11, 2010 11:10 PM EST reply actions
CDR is not a team player, but Mannix’s words r not reliable. 1st pick for Amar’e? lol
by BogutFan on Feb 11, 2010 11:17 PM EST reply actions
As much as I believe CDR has a poor attitude, I really doubt we can’t get anything for him in a trade. I mean, Chris Wallace is still a GM!
by hilario on Feb 11, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions
Cdr is nothing special.. He’s unatheltic, not a particular good shooter, and very suspect defensive player with an alledged bad attitude problem for a 2nd year player… Lopez untouchable? Why? I don’t get it… Oh yeah I do… NBA is a Business.. Business equals taking other people’s money.. Since the Nets are an all D League squad material they need to sell a player with hope so some moronic fans could keep watching and paying money to watch the games… Again all about the benjamins… A Human being with half a brain already figures out that Goofpez is nothing but a Greg Ostertag in the making…
by tvtechwonV on Feb 11, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions
DO. NOT. WANT.
How does this make any sense? CDR would have to do much more than ‘talk’ to warrant this kind of treatment.
by TWilliAM on Feb 11, 2010 11:20 PM EST reply actions
@1milford
I really don’t care. Really. None of this matters if Prokhorov gets approved and spends money.
by Net Income on Feb 11, 2010 11:23 PM EST reply actions
I’m not sure whether to believe this or not. That, by itself, is pretty sad. It’s hard to comprehend that CDR has fallen so far in fans’ eyes that we think that something like this could be true . . . and that it could be justified, even while admitting that we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I hope it isn’t true. I suspect it is. I think they should be able to get one of Memphis’ late first round picks for him.
I’d take it.
And remember—this is a team that held onto Sean Williams for how many months despite everyone knowing that he had no future with the team?
by Dumpy on Feb 11, 2010 11:24 PM EST reply actions
“reports”, yeah right. CDR won’t be bought out, this is ridiculous. This guy can really play, in the first month of the season with Frank as a coach, he scored 20ppg shooting a high percentage. Like I said before, this kid should be here for the turnaround in the next couple of years, and you’ll see him flourish. All this guy need is a couple of wins, nothing more.
And people: stop hating on Lopez. Comparing with Greg Ostertag? When did Ostertag average 19, 9 and 2? When did Ostertag play like Tim Duncan? Brook Lopez is the kind of center that doesn’t come around often. Cherish the good players we have, we’ll need them.
by Gerard Himself on Feb 11, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions
CDR is a versatile player, who always works hard and knows how to play his role well. Now he is being given tons of negative press because people are looking for a person to point the finger at for the Net losses.
The Nets should have hired a “REAL” coach, instead of making Kiki the interm coach! He is doing a horrible job!
This report is BS, and if the Nets do trade CDR, that’s their loss!!
Chris has real fans, real supporters, and real followers of his true skills as a basketball player, so all the people are saying about him is outrageous, and completely unnecessary!
Chris has been working his off…trying his best to put on for his team every night he was on the hardwood…
This report is some bull!!
by SW on Feb 11, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions
“Cherish the good players we have, we’ll need them.”
Seriously. Just because the year has been a disaster doesn’t mean EVERYBODY sucks.
by TWilliAM on Feb 11, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions
lol ssssooooo cdr is good, on an unbelievably cheap contract, and we’re gonna buy him out….wow…
by Gmister on Feb 11, 2010 11:35 PM EST reply actions
And my ticket agent wanted to know why I refuse to buy anymore packages??? If this happens I am going to be livid!!!
Brown paper bag time people!!!
Brown paper bags…
by superb on Feb 11, 2010 11:46 PM EST reply actions
if they do this, i can honestly say i do not care anymore..
CDR is trying his best. he’s the only other player besides dooling who shows heart.
if they buy him out they’ll lose a valuable future asset. at least do the guy some justice and trade him away, not buy him out.
by ZHAS on Feb 11, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions
This is really getting annoying now seriously. Why is CD-R getting all this negative attention from the press because he can’t LOSE WITH A HAPPY FACE! The press is like bad paparazzi and all people do is read this foolishness and start believing everything it says. People need to wake up and stop believing everything they read.
by Mikee21 on Feb 11, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions
LTR CDR
Take KiKi the KiWi with you.
Hollah!
by Shawn Carter on Feb 11, 2010 11:55 PM EST reply actions
The Wisdom of CDR, from his latest tweet:
All this because I take losing badly. I’m starting to think other things now…fa real. It’s deeper than how it looks. Fa real.
Take Kiki with you. Fa real!
Hollah.
by Shawn Carter on Feb 11, 2010 11:56 PM EST reply actions
If he’s released, CDR will get another job in the NBA before the great Lawrence “Red” Frank.
But hopefully they keep him until next season… see how he does with a competent coach and a team that doesn’t give up 5 minutes into the game. OR package him with DH and ship him for CP3 :D
by jb on Feb 11, 2010 11:57 PM EST reply actions
I see that the young Chris Mannix is a fan of Yahoo’s “Woj” (writer Adrian Wojnarowski), who a week ago wrote defaming comments about CDR and TWill that were unsubstantiated. Following are excerpts from Chris Mannix’ TWITTER page today.
“Great work by @WojYahooNBA and @RogerLodge7 on JRIB this week. Tough acts to follow in a couple of weeks.”,
6:29 PM Feb 10th from web", followed by,
“Even though @WojYahooNBA is a HATER!”
6:30 PM Feb 10th from web, and today’s post,
“Hanging with @juliephenderson at Cirque du soleil. About to go live on U-Stream to bring it to you”
about 5 hours ago from web
Chris Mannix calls “Woj” a ‘HATER’. Curious choice of words don’t you think. Almost like he’s mocking CDR?
Maybe Mannix is manic about being so close to Julie Phenderson, an SI swimsuit model, or hanging at the Cirque du Soleil in Vegas. He sounds more like a groupie than a reporter.
Also noted that Devin Harris was mentioned unfavorably in the same “report”, but CDR was the “story”.
This is INSANE!!!!
by Jeff on Feb 12, 2010 12:01 AM EST reply actions
Jeff, the Nets being disappointed in the play of Harris isn’t news. That part of the report was a given. It’s like saying the Cavs are pleased with the play of LeBron James.
The idea that they would consider buying out a player who makes $736k is definitely news. They’ve already paid him almost 2/3 of that salary, so it’s not like they’d be saving much money.
by NetsDaily on Feb 12, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I believe the management would do this. They’ve done lots of stupid things in the past year and a half.
Yes, he’s good and he’s cheap. Not the kind of guy to buy out… his attitude isn’t costing us a championship here fellas.
@ NI
If Proky spends $, it would still matter because CDR, when motivated, is a quality rotation player… Even if we go get big names to start, we still need a decent bench.
by Paul B. on Feb 12, 2010 12:04 AM EST reply actions
Once again Netsdaily I apologize for the last post that was deleted. But it just eats me up when people bother this kid because he doesn’t like losing. What is so wrong with a player not liking to lose! So what I guess people would rather have a player who loves losing and everybody would be happy I see now.
by Mikee21 on Feb 12, 2010 12:11 AM EST reply actions
I will go out on a limb and say we will regret buying him out… as we watch him turn into a solid rotational player on a championship caliber team… maybe one that beats us in the playoffs. Hope I am wrong.
by Paul B. on Feb 12, 2010 12:12 AM EST reply actions
Best thing CDR can do is turn off his Twitter account, find a basketball channel for his emotions and be ready for when his number is called. I
by Oriel on Feb 12, 2010 12:18 AM EST reply actions
Its become a sideshow distraction no one wants. Cmon CDR, you’re better than that.
by Oriel on Feb 12, 2010 12:18 AM EST reply actions
@Paul B.
Your not wrong that’s the scary part about it. Example and this may be over the top. Kobe was drafted by the Hornets in 1996 I think the 13th pick and then traded to the lakers. I think WE ALL KNOW HOW GOOD KOBE TURNED OUT. I’m not comparing CD-R to Kobe of course not but when a team gets rid of real obvious talent and then that player BLOSSOMS into something real good with the next team we’re stuck looking foolish for what. Because the player hates losing and is being fed garbage minutes by a guy who doesn’t know how to coach.
by Mikee21 on Feb 12, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions
With or without him, we’re going to lose.
I would like to keep him, great talent for a cheap price, but not everyone can see the light at the end of the tunnel, so if thats the case for him, let him go.
by JJ on Feb 12, 2010 12:22 AM EST reply actions
@Paul B
Really, the team is 4-48. If Mikhail Prokhorov commits to winning—and spending money to get there, whether the Nets keep CDR is of limited consequence in the face of that. And FYI, if all this should fall through, which I doubt, then whether the Nets keep CDR is of even less consequence.
This is a LOST season, period. As long as they keep Lopez and Harris, I’m fine with whatever they do. If they get John Wall, then they can reconsider what to do with Harris…but not before.
And by the way, does anyone have any complaint with the way Hayes has played since he replaced CDR in the starting lineup? Played hard, played well, played defense.
by Net Income on Feb 12, 2010 12:27 AM EST reply actions
@Mikee21
You just did compare CDR to Bryant. Come ON.
by Net Income on Feb 12, 2010 12:28 AM EST reply actions
@Net Income
Listen why would I compare CD-R to Kobe. What I was trying to compare was that teams give up on talent and then when that TALENT blossoms with another team they’re stuck looking foolish. I think we ALL no CD-R is no Kobe…Come ON!
by Mikee21 on Feb 12, 2010 12:32 AM EST reply actions
CDR is a good player …. and i would love him on our bench in the future….. but at the same time…. i’m not thinking of the bench right now…. i’m trying to get a good (hopefully heaven-like) starting lineup… benches are important….. but wats the point without a quality starting 5
by blazin pp face on Feb 12, 2010 12:43 AM EST reply actions
If the report is true, it’s crazy that they would consider buying out a talented player to save, what?, $50,000?
But if he’s truly a pain for coaches, staff and other players to deal with, then I’m fine with it. Locker room culture can be just as important as talent, and as I’ve said before, CDR’s talent isn’t exactly irreplaceable.
by Onion on Feb 12, 2010 12:49 AM EST reply actions
This is ridiculous. Mannix writes a lot of nonsense so I don’t think this is true.
I think CDR is good with Thorn, the problem is with Kiki, but that doesn’t matter cuz Kiki will be gone soon.
by JayMS on Feb 12, 2010 12:50 AM EST reply actions
@Onion
Your not looking at the big picture. Not that I disagree with what your saying. There’s only one person in my eyes who CD-R don’t get along with and that’s Kiki why? Because just like you me and the other fans of New Jersey don’t agree with Kiki’s philosophy which is trying to turn Yi into the next Dirk. With Kiki trying to accomplish this he has focused the offense around Yi giving him more shots then he is capable of making. This is effecting CD-R minutes and role on the offense. When L.Frank was coaching CD-R was averaging again nearly 20 PPG but when Kiki came along and focused all the offense around Yi that changed everything. Now if a person is against something that you believe in your not going to like him neither right? There you have it Kiki and CD-R.
by Mikee21 on Feb 12, 2010 12:58 AM EST reply actions
“This is a LOST season, period. As long as they keep Lopez and Harris, I’m fine with whatever they do.”
That’s just irrational. So you would care if the Nets gave away a draft pick, but you wouldn’t care if they gave up CDR for nothing?
You don’t give assets away unless you absolutely have to. Period. I’m not crazy about CDR, but this kind of thinking is inconsistent, IMO.
by TWilliAM on Feb 12, 2010 1:01 AM EST reply actions
@ Onion
CDR not getting along with Kiyi doesn’t count as not getting alone with coaches. I refuse to give that label to Kiyi.
He was going ok with Frank.
Would he be miserable by now under Frank? Maybe. Who knows. But he was mostly in check last year.
@ Mikee21
I am pretty sure the Hornets-Lakers thing was worked out from the get-go. Supposedly we were going to take Kobe and his agent told us that if we did so, he’d jump to Europe for a year to avoid signing with us… The implication being Kobe wanted the big market and had it all lined up w/ Charlotte and LA. Just some interesting info… I love Kerry Kittles, but damn Kobe
by Paul B. on Feb 12, 2010 1:04 AM EST reply actions
@Nets Daily
While I acknowledge and support that posters here freely say whatever, I do not see media articles/reports published on this site that impugn Nets players like you do with CDR. Even the story banners you create are negative and incendiary, e.g.., “Horrible” Attitude May Force Nets to Buy Out CDR", or “Locker Room Immaturity Factor in Harris Departure” (then you identified CDR and TWill in your leadin quip) with no substantiated sources at all! It’s wrong and unfair.
by Jeff on Feb 12, 2010 1:10 AM EST reply actions
Jeff, we post everything, whether it be positive, negative or neutral. The purpose of this site is to aggregate all the news you can find on the web about the Nets. The headlines and summaries that we write are meant to reflect what’s newsworthy and reflect the tone of the article(s) we’re linking to. It’s not like we just make things up. It all comes from the reporters and analysts who cover the NBA.
Personally, I don’t love or hate CDR, or any Nets player at this point. But as a Nets fan, when I read what Mannix wrote, the thing that clearly stood out was the part about CDR, because the idea of the team buying him out is new news and the word “horrible” is pretty strong in the context it was used.
It didn’t matter if it was about CDR, Hassell, Harris or whomever. It was newsworthy.
And if Thorn comes out and calls CDR a class act tomorrow, we’ll post that too.
by NetsDaily on Feb 12, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
Jeff
Nets Daily just posts stories that other journalists write. If you a complaint, go take it up with them and their sources.
by GMJigga on Feb 12, 2010 1:19 AM EST reply actions
GM Jigga
This is still America, with that pesky freedom of speech concept. You don’t have to agree with my comments, nor I with yours. Civility and restraint, however, are recommended.
by Jeff on Feb 12, 2010 1:25 AM EST reply actions
SMH once Kiwi is gone and we get a real coach in here that knows what he’s doing everything will come down. I would bet my next check CDR isn’t going anywhere. Thorn isn’t stupid, where 4-whatever, if we start making irrational moves over news articles from ppl who are quoting the Janitors, who’s going to want to come here. Rediculous I mean the man came back early from swine flu just to get a W. How many others on the team or even the leaugue would do that. Let’s all take a deep breath until the draft lol.
by Atronic on Feb 12, 2010 1:30 AM EST reply actions
@GMJigga Nets Daily sure seems 2 be accurate on posting inaccurate stories don’t they? Just look at the whole Del Harris fiasco they broke the news on…it seems like Kiwi is running Nets Daily the way the stories are printed
by The GM on Feb 12, 2010 1:30 AM EST reply actions
Well, if this is true, this is great news for CDR. Anyone who gets out of this mess ahead of time is blessed, because this team’s front office and the way Thorn and Kiki went about things is an absolute joke
The first one to fall should be Kiki, not some kid.
by Mr. Dollar Bills on Feb 12, 2010 1:41 AM EST reply actions
Get rid of Kiki and this team would start winning games. I guarantee that they just need a coach.
by Mikee21 on Feb 12, 2010 1:53 AM EST reply actions
@The GM
You cannot be accurate in posting inaccurate stories. I think you meant to say they are precise in posting inaccurate stories, which is still untrue, because the stories that you seem to have problem with have their validity determined by the original writers, not a news aggregate, who offers such a wide catalog of entries that any statement of precision requires an as-impressive sample size to make a worthy ratio.
by GMJigga on Feb 12, 2010 1:56 AM EST reply actions
cdr is abum trade him for the lakers or denvers pick to memphis,,,
then trade dalas pick denvers pick our 2nd rounder, the wariors 2011 pick our 2011 pick, and get the 2nd pick in the draft,, ill take wall cousins, or wall,if i have to ill throw in hairs and take a pick or two back,
my gut tells me cousins will be the best player in this draft,
by jack on Feb 12, 2010 1:59 AM EST reply actions
There’s no need to attack NetsDaily for posting about this story, you can question why the mention of Harris was omitted, but the author of this article is making a serious claim. Whether or not this story will be substantiated remains to be seen, but I don’t see why there is an uproar.
by Mr. Dollar Bills on Feb 12, 2010 2:20 AM EST reply actions
People, lets stop getting emotional, and start thinking straight. Think:
This CDR buyout story, in addition to the Del Harris couldn’t take CDR’s immaturity story, MOST likely came from Kiki. We know Thorn is not going out there spreading these stories to the press. I am willing to bet anything this is Kiki’s hack job.
by JohnY on Feb 12, 2010 2:37 AM EST reply actions
Why was the del Harris story omitted? It wasn’t true then??
by Claud on Feb 12, 2010 2:39 AM EST reply actions
Great point by (JohnY) Is Kiki the real cancer in the locker room??? Hmmm
by Atronic on Feb 12, 2010 2:45 AM EST reply actions
players dont like when an undertalented player is babied. thats where the jealousy comes into play. kiki knows this and i am sure cdr is one of the more vocal players about kiki babying yi. remember when harris said cdr just didnt get it? i believe harris knows whats going on he is just telling cdr to be a good soldier and ride with it. kiki wants cdr out of here because he knows cdr is right.
i hope you guys followed that, i am going to sleep.
by superb on Feb 12, 2010 3:09 AM EST reply actions
Good point, JohnY
I wouldn’t put it past that snake in the grass
by Mr. Dollar Bills on Feb 12, 2010 3:35 AM EST reply actions
Which is more horrible,‘horrible’ or ‘robot’?
Hollah!
by Kael on Feb 12, 2010 4:06 AM EST reply actions
CDR and Yi for Gay and Arthur it works on espn trade machine
by netsfan on Feb 12, 2010 4:23 AM EST reply actions
Mannix is an idiot.
Enough with this nonsense, this is getting ridiculous. The kid doesn’t deserve this.
Kiki and Rod shoulddn’t be allowed to make any moves at all any more. They have done enough damage already, and, after all, hopefully they won’t be around next year, so what’s the rush wanting to get rid of the kid if they wont be here much longer? CDR will be valuable for whoever replaces them.
I’m just sick and tired of these clowns. Cant wait to see Prokho come and clean house. Kiki and Thorn need to go, not CDR.
by Andres on Feb 12, 2010 4:37 AM EST reply actions
This is all nonsense. Plenty of teams would “take CDR” if Thorn was stupid enough to give him away. Does Thorn have a mole in the organization? Not for long, unless this came from an Agent.
If it is true that Mannix has a source at the Nets who is telling him that they are really interested in getting Amare at deadline and buying out CDR, then his source must be Kiki. Funny how no reporter is commenting about the Kiki situation with Del Harris.
First of all, as NI has pointed at, Thorn is a great Poker player and it is only his opinion that counts.
If CDR is part of a trade, it will only be part of a Yi deal. When Kiki is fired, CDR will have plenty of opportunity to redeem himself. If CDR isn’t traded along with Yi, it would be on draft day, for something good, and only because the Nets would feel that he wouldn’t get much PT next year (because they would be drafting Evan Turner).
Thorn needs to address the “mole” in the organization issue.
by jerry25 on Feb 12, 2010 4:59 AM EST reply actions
Not liking losing is one thing, the way you deal with it is another. CDR has attitude problems, that you can’t deny. No one likes to lose, but some people deal with it in a non-destructive way. Anyway, net income has a good point. Can you deny the play from our small forward spot has remarkably improved once hayes took over? I think buying him out is stupid but getting rid of a negative guy who isn’t helping a team whose morale is already down is a net positive. He gives the excuse that he just doesn’t like losing, well why doesn’t he lead more and try and be more positive towards his teammates and try and uplift them instead of moaning and fuming about it? Like i said, not liking to lose is one thing, the way you deal with it is another
by muwu on Feb 12, 2010 5:34 AM EST reply actions
Trading Yi for Brandon Bass, straight up wouldn’t be my first choice (getting Marcus Camby would have bigger impact), but Bass is available, as reported by Mannix and elsewhere.
Replacing Kiki’s boy – Yi – with Bass would make the Nets smaller and more competitive like the Houston team.
I would bet that as long as Kiki was also fired, that the Nets would then start winning – CDR, Harris in particular would “turn it on”.
My only concern would be whether Bass, would be able to play some SF next year, after Nets would get a FA PF such as All Star David Lee.
by jerry25 on Feb 12, 2010 5:37 AM EST reply actions
@muwu
1st and foremost do you have an inside source that’s telling you CD-R is screwing up the morale of this team? By the look of things CD-R has great relationships with all the players. Especially with C.Lee, T-Will, and B-Lo he talks about them all the time good game to my boy C-Lee starting to come out and show his true game I’m recalling he said. B-Lo “he believed in me since day one” so I don’t understand what you meant by that. If you we’re having a great season b4 some guy came in and he basically took the ball out your hands to feed it to a guy who doesn’t deserve it you’ll be upset too. Then you have fans going around complaining about you based off false stories they read on the internet when you didn’t do anything wrong you’ll be upset too. These last two games CD-R has been benched every timeout you see him get up and support his teammates everytime so that doesn’t look like a guy going around moaning and fuming all the time.
by Mikee21 on Feb 12, 2010 5:58 AM EST reply actions
No one is going nowhere! Again, no one is going nowhere. You can’t get value for CDR, he has far more value when we get a new coach and a new attitude….her’s what we will have next year for sure!
New Arena
New Owner
New GM
New President
New Coach
New Draft picks
New Free Agents
=
NEW ATTITUDE!
Go NETS. this is exciting…only 4 months until draft time!
by supernetsfan on Feb 12, 2010 6:05 AM EST reply actions
The nets would be plain stupid to release a guy like CDR
by ben on Feb 12, 2010 6:11 AM EST reply actions
Solution:
If the Bulls are willing to trade T. Thomas for expiring contracts and draft picks. Why don’t the Nets make an offer.
Mavs or G.S #1 ,CDR expiring contracts of Hassell, not sure the fit and CDR for T. Thomas.
or #1 Boone, CDR, and trade exeption for T. Thomas
This way the Nets keep the rights to T. Thomas and can match any offer. They have been interested in the past and it does seem that he would compliment Yi. He is the type of player "who figures it out’ late. Before you compare him to SWAT, remember that Thomas has been a lot more productive.
Bulls may want CDR who played with Rose in college, this would be more than other teams are offering.
Nets may be wary of adding another malcontent to the team, but if they don’t like Thomas they can cut ties after the year. How much worse can it get?
by gsloots on Feb 12, 2010 7:50 AM EST reply actions
No way CDR gets bought out. Not Thorn’s style. He hasnt bought out Simmons, Battie, or Hassel yet. After the trade deadline I still think CDR will still be here if he isnt traded. I think Thorn will wait to see how he is under a new coach if he isnt traded.
by SIC on Feb 12, 2010 8:07 AM EST reply actions
muwu,
Yea I will argue about the ‘increased play’ at the SF spot, because has it produced any extra wins? Nah, it’s produced zero. You can argue about all the extra stats between Hayes/CDR at the SF spot all you want, but if you’re still not winning any easier, what’s the point? This is supposed to be about young player development, but obviously CDR is not in Kiki’s favor which is why there are now rumors about buying him out.
by Antoine on Feb 12, 2010 8:22 AM EST reply actions
mannix has zero credibility. i wouldn’t let thorn or kiki make any more moves of any kind except for packing their bags
by drmagoo on Feb 12, 2010 8:24 AM EST reply actions
What’s so hard to believe here…..just listening to CDR during interviews shows you how “me first” he really is. For a guy that has done absolutely nothing but score 20 points in a game a few times, he has some nerve. Let me ask you all, has he helped us win any games?
by Adam on Feb 12, 2010 8:38 AM EST reply actions
@NetIncome,
I think your pettiness has gotten to the point where it is unacceptable, period. HOW OLD ARE YOU, THIRTEEN? I did not see you running your mouth when Thorn, the ultimate credible source himself, said that they were not looking to trade CDR, something he has not say about your boy Yi!
by KJV on Feb 12, 2010 8:55 AM EST reply actions
i dont care about any of these players except lopez. you could trade the whole roster in the offseason and it wouldnt matter to me. i dont see how fans can be so attached to players that not only just got here, but are on course to set the worst record in league history.
by sonny on Feb 12, 2010 8:55 AM EST reply actions
By the way, most of you posters need to start using your good senses. How could you believe what that Moron Mannix said. Mannix, by the way, got offended three months ago when CDR refused his request for an interview (for an article); maybe that’s why he hates CDR, along with his buddy Woj.
by KJV on Feb 12, 2010 8:59 AM EST reply actions
Listen to Joe and Evan on WFAN folks, maybe you’ll get a better Idea about how much of a clueless douche Kiki is.
by KJV on Feb 12, 2010 9:01 AM EST reply actions
What is embarrassing is CDR’s lack of professional behavior. This horrible losing is wearing on everyone. From a Finals competitor and a 60+ game winner in Devin Harris who has known success all his life to Brook Lopez, who probably never lost 45 games in his entire basketball career… but they are all taking it as well as they can and keeping their mouths shut for the most part.
This is professionalism.
CDR thinks he is entitled to a starting job, entitled to winning… now he is doing everything he can to sabotage the entire Nets locker room single handedly.
ship him off and good riddance. HE may have been a steal in the second round, but there is no place for immature people like him in a man’s league.
by rightclue on Feb 12, 2010 9:02 AM EST reply actions
if the team is unsatisfied with cdr y would they buy him out? that makes no sense. he has value so trade him. either for a pick or a good young player with heart n passion to improve his game.
by tu vieja on Feb 12, 2010 9:07 AM EST reply actions
LOL this place is funny… People either love CDR so much it’s creepy or hate him so much they foam at the mouth.
by JB on Feb 12, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions
I told you so………Don’t buy him out….If you can’t get a 1st round pick for him or a decent young player than just keep him and let him sit on the bench and watch so he doesn’t get to play in the NBA for awhile…..Also add some new team rules and Fine him every time he twitters or mouths off so not only will he sit the bench for the season but he also will not get paid……
by NetFan48 on Feb 12, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions
Maybe the Nets have tried to trade him. If they can’t get something of value for him, why bother.
If his attitude is really that bad, I could see them buying him out.
I can’t see anybody being surprised about all this.
Been going on for two seasons now.
by Mike on Feb 12, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions
This whole situation is fascinating. I doubt that Mannix made up anything in that piece. For one thing, there is just too much information from too many teams that a general NBA reporter wouldn’t know. For another, CDR’s reported transgressions are NOTHING compared to what other players on other teams do. Why would he assume that CDR pouting would be horrible enough to potentially get him cut?
Some insider has fed him that information. I’m pretty sure that he called around to all the teams that he wanted to highlight and asked for some basic off-the-record info. Question is, WHO on the Nets would say that CDR could potentially be cut? What could possibly be gained from that? It would seem to lower his value if the Nets are, in fact, shopping him around. Instead, you’d expect it to read something like, “The Nets are willing to include young and cheap Douglas-Roberts in a package with one of their expiring deals.” Is this an attempt by Kiki (who was probably the source) to tell CDR that he’s on thin ice and better get in line? But CDR WANTS to escape from NJ! How would that possibly serve as motivation?
by Dumpy on Feb 12, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions
@KJV
Sorry to disturb your reverie.
As I have said I don’t know how many times: I don’t care what they do with CDR. He is a minor player in the larger scheme of things. He plays a position, swingman, where the Nets are overstocked, with him, Hayes, Lee and TWill. The top free agents they’re targeting are swingmen: James, Wade and Gay. If they get John Wall, they are more than likely to try (at least at first) to run him and Harris in tandem, meaning one will play shooting guard, a swingman position. If they get the second pick, they are likely to go for Evan Turner, who is also a swingman. After that, there’s a number of players, including Wesley Johnson, who is (pause) a swingman.
Am I missing something here? Are you?
by Net Income on Feb 12, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions
Buying out Kiki would make a lot more sense. CDR is a talent, but needs a tough coach to reign him in. Buy him out? He makes too little to worry about that. Find a way to integrate him. He is more valuable than Quinn.
by geo on Feb 12, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions
this is stupid. I understand they don’t like his attitude and there’s stats out there that show he doesn’t perpetuate the offense other than scoring but cmon…he’s young and he can flat out score for this team. i’m not saying he’s as good as jordan or kobe or iverson but those guys came out and were a me first player and turned out pretty good. I don’t see any reason why CDR cannot become a solid offensive option off the bench
by Tom on Feb 12, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions
@Jeff
Didn’t you lambaste other posters in this comments section a few weeks ago for caring about CDR’s tweets so much and asking why everyone cared what he tweeted?
And now your combing through, and posting Chris Mannix’s tweets? Why do you care what Chris Mannix tweets?
by kc on Feb 12, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions
I guess nothing is realy that surprising when a team full of “young talent” wins 4 out of 52 games and has no guts or desire. Yeah I know the coach they have now is not a coach. Guess what most of the players stink bad – coach or no coach.
CDR is an OK at best offensive option off the bench on a good team – maybe. Gaping holes in his game.
The only thing more irritating than the drama with CDR, Twitter, and Kiki is the over the top allegiance from his “followers”.
He is an OK basketball player with a humongous ego. Just not that big of a deal. It would be nice to get some value because he definitley does has some value. I just don’t see him as Kope redux like some do. He really needs to shut up and stop drawing attention to himself.
by Man Oh Man! on Feb 12, 2010 10:00 AM EST reply actions
@kc
I’m president of the Chris Douglas-Roberts Fan Club. Net Income is Vice President.
by Jeff on Feb 12, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions
Hopefully we will have a happy ending in the continuing CDR saga, next week.
CDR gets what he wants, a trade to Memphis, and the Nets hopefully get something useful back.
“And they lived happily ever after”…
by Mike on Feb 12, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions
“Dumpy Says:
For another, CDR’s reported transgressions are NOTHING compared to what other players on other teams do.”
This is why I fail to comprehend the anger towards him from some posters
Is he missing team flights, sleeping through shoot arounds, getting arrested for drugs or committing felonies?? NO. His only crime is being a young kid who doesn’t know when to keep his thoughts to himself. It’s like some Nets fans have a personal problem with this kid where he can’t do or say anything without being bashed, it’s getting tiresome and I can see why he’d have a negative opinion about Nets fans if he truly does read this site like some suspect.
by Mr. Dollar Bills on Feb 12, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions
While it is hard to understand some posters anger toward CDR, it is seriously disturbing to think that the team’s GM may have a personal problem with CDR and is trying to make his basketball life miserable and brief.
by Jeff on Feb 12, 2010 10:32 AM EST reply actions
100 + comments on CDR…Nets fans are funny people. This team can’t get to Brooklyn fast enough.
by Tin Man on Feb 12, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions
Finding it very disturbing that Kiwi would go so far out of his way 2 try 2 destroy the career of a 2nd year player..All he has done since takin over 4 L.Frank, is halt CDR’s development..Notice everytime kiYi makes a statement, Rod goes over his head 2 correct it..I’m quite sure this article is another attempt 2 assasinate this young man’s character orchestrated by that weasel of a gm/coach..Here’s 2 hopin 2the best possible ending 2this madness!
by The GM on Feb 12, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions
All these player problems were started by that other guy who used to supposedly coach this team….He left us with a real mess….We should have booted him out four years ago…….
by NetFan48 on Feb 12, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions
@ Tin Man;
Wait until next week when the Nets trade CDR.
This website will crash. LMAO
by Mike on Feb 12, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions
Netfan48 – that is the most outlandish thing I’ve ever heard. In fact, it’s downright stupid. The thought that Lawrence Frank had anything to do with this is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.
It makes no sense, has no real base to it, and is just an outright lie made by someone who has a personal grudge against one of the only guys who actually cared about the success of the team (but couldn’t do anything about it, because the owner & FO are useless).
by hilario on Feb 12, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions
@ Tin Man:
lol, I don’t get it either. A decent player on the worst team in history does not make him a good player by normal standards.
by Dumpy on Feb 12, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions
@Chris Mannix Says
C.D.Roberts is a talent that cares. He had to sit last year because of Coach L.Frank. Now this year he is playing the three out of position instead of the two under KIKI.
Now I ask the question, is L.Frank gone and is Kiki on the way out?
Good because C.D.Roberts will be on the team in 2011 as the starting two next to D.Harris.
by Dziedzic on Feb 12, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions
Lawrence Frank had nothing to do with this, in fact if he was still coaching we wouldn’t be having the problems we are having now. The point about CDR is he is talented with a nice contract, if you want to build a playoff team you need players like him on the team. Remember Lawrence Frank said last year he was probly the most competitive guy on the team. Other than his competitiveness he can score, he put up 30 twice, all you have to do is an eye test, kid can play point blank. What do you want Dorell right on the bench next season. These are kids going thru the worst season in histtory, look at B-lopez body language why arn’t we killing him, he’s fouling ppl @ end of games get out quick and yelling @ his teamates. That is why I think there is something personal about CDR going on, from writers he maybe brushed or from waite for it, Kiki. Thorn and Proky arn’t stupid they would keep CDR before they keep Kiki.
by Atronic on Feb 12, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions
“NetFan48 Says:
February 12th, 2010 at 11:15 am
All these player problems were started by that other guy who used to supposedly coach this team….He left us with a real mess….We should have booted him out four years ago……."
I’m not a fan of Frank’s but a)he is NOT responsible for this mess and b)he was a superior coach to Kiki in every sense of the word and i wish he was still on board just for the sake of the younger players
CDR is being set up as the fall guy for this season and it’s despicable.
by Mr. Dollar Bills on Feb 12, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions
I like rod thorn and want proky to bring him back for next season but the blame starts with him. He should have never let kiki coach the team it was a very bad move.
by 1milord on Feb 12, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions
id trade our 1st for amare if we were getting evan turner back somehow
by Spider Man on Feb 12, 2010 1:44 PM EST reply actions
Coach Frank was the only person in the organization who cared about winning. In fact, I remember Ghoti saying specifically that back in November. It’s no surprise what happened after he was canned.
by Dumpy on Feb 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions
check out these possibitlities:
by tu vieja on Feb 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions
@tu vieja
Why would the Nets do either of those trades? They could get a LOT more for a Harris/CDR/expiring contract combo. No disrespect but those trade proposals, especially the second one, would only make the Nets much worse than they already are.
by Big Mike on Feb 12, 2010 6:02 PM EST reply actions
CDR no player is bigger than this city, you came with your
attitude from the country side and body that does not work
here.
If you want to stay around here shut down everything around
you and be humble about it ,be a pro see D.Jeter .
If you want out, just keep acting the way you are now
by rubenp on Feb 12, 2010 6:23 PM EST reply actions
Nets should NOTs for CDR:
—buy out
—freeze out of rotation
Nets SHOULD for CDR:
—work him into 2nd unit for the rest of the season to either up his trade value or keep him for next year.
None of this is a big deal, and neither is he.
by NetsJetsFan on Feb 12, 2010 7:04 PM EST reply actions
@NetsJetsFan
You are absolutely correct. CDR is not a big deal at all. Nets is the same with him or without him.
by Cajun on Feb 12, 2010 8:51 PM EST reply actions
This guy is the same fruit that said trade our pick for Amare. The guy writes garbage, waste of time.
by Shea23 on Feb 12, 2010 11:42 PM EST reply actions

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